Could it be possible..(bring your popcorn lol)

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

That there are closeted gay guys disguised as tranny lovers/admirers? That they like cocks and bottoming BUT denies their attraction for other men? So they go for transexuals as their next best option to being with someone with a cock that appears female?

I had this discussion with my gay friends. And they seemed otherwise convinced that not all men who are into women that's also into transexuals hetero..err straight (being they see tg's also as women)? They argued that how can one be so sure that if a guy goes with a tranny..he wouldn't go for another guy on the downlow? They also added that, if a guy went with a tranny they (my gay friends) could also get with him. So..is there some truth to it?

Discuss? Insights? ;)

LOL :popcorn

~Kisses.

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[KiraHarden]

I know a TS who was/is a gay man. She's on hormones and silicon injected boobs as big as mine. She dates gay and straight men. I've known her for 10yrs. She' a performer that altered her body to make more money for shows, and pagents, not because she had GID

[KiraHarden]

That there are closeted gay guys disguised as tranny lovers/admirers? That they like cocks and bottoming BUT denies their attraction for other men? So they go for transexuals as their next best option to being with someone with a cock that appears female?

I had this discussion with my gay friends. And they seemed otherwise convinced that not all men who are into women that's also into transexuals hetero..err straight (being they see tg's also as women)? They argued that how can one be so sure that if a guy goes with a tranny..he wouldn't go for another guy on the downlow? They also added that, if a guy went with a tranny they (my gay friends) could also get with him. So..is there some truth to it?

Discuss? Insights? ;)

LOL :popcorn

~Kisses.

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I would have to say yes to your question Hara

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Anyway great original topic.
I have heard guys say over and over that they are NOT gay because they like dick and are strictly bottoms when it comes to being with a Tranny and that they also like being with GG's as well, but if you get to know most and have a discussion, most will have some story about how they "experimented" with guys when they were younger or in the service or whatever...when you ask if they enjoyed it they almost always say yes hesitantly, which goes back to the original question...are they closet gay and just afraid of the stigma associated with the label?
I guess this question will get a lot of feedback and most will say that since we are girls in every aspect except the one legal gender associated one that blah blah blah...
yeah, this is a great thread, think I'll go make some popcorn as well !!!

LOL Thanks Cheri. I thought about this all weekend after me and my gay friends were discussing the topic. They were amazed at the great number of men online that are into transexuals. And since most men would say/claim that they are straight and exclusively only likes women and tg's it's really got me wondering. Hmm..

So in essence, what the two of you were saying then is that the majority of the men that likes us are closeted gay men then who are in complete denial for their liking for cocks and bottoming? How about men that does that simply as a fetish.. like role play reversal? I've known lot of men who lead high profile and stressful jobs. Who runs and give orders to their staffs all day. And at the end of the day wants to be subservient and submissive to a tgirl. Does that make sense? And how about the guys who are predominantly or exclusive tops?

~Kisses.

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[mbf]

your gay friends are just jealous u trannies get so much dick. end of the story.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

your gay friends are just jealous u trannies get so much dick. end of the story.

LOL Be quiet mbf. :lol:

This actually sparked it. One of my gay friends at one time (this was awhile ago) saw the guy I seen. When he (the guy) left my gay guy friend said IF he could borrow him. LOL I was like, sweety..He isn't into gay guys (must be femme). So my friend got a little bitchy at me..and said that the guy was somewhat effeminate acting. :lol: Which of course made me raise my eyebrows at him! LOL

Hence, the topic of discussion. ;)

~Kisses.

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[mbf]

as to some other points:

even John Wanye had same sex phantasies as a teenager. doesn´t prove anything.

as to "social acceptance": it is in fact EASIER beeing openly gay these days in the western world than admit as a (semi-)public figure that you are into trannies. Hence the majors of Hamburg and Berlin, both openly gay guys.

[hwbs]

i don't know how its possible but a lot of guys i meet are into trannies and also very homophobic....how can that be possible ?

[mbf]

i don't know how its possible but a lot of guys i meet are into trannies and also very homophobic....how can that be possible ?

that´s simple: they are busy trying getting across they are SO NOT GAY

doesn´t convince one tho.....

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

i don't know how its possible but a lot of guys i meet are into trannies and also very homophobic....how can that be possible ?

Oh I know! Though isn't that an oxymoron?!? LOL

;)

~Kisses.

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[flabbybody]

I got really bad vibes when I talked about my attraction to t's with a gay buddy at work. It was like his attitude was ' oh, it's just a matter of time you'll be joining my team '
He didn't say it exactly like that, but close. In general, I don't think gay men have a lot of sympathy or insight when it comes to the transgender thing. At least the folks that I know.

[mbf]

what I would be far more interested in: how many men left "The Scene" after a while, got on with a gg and never looked back.....bc more and more these days I feel like getting tired.....

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I don't think gay men have a lot of sympathy or insight when it comes to the transgender thing. At least the folks that I know.

Nor share any real compassion with our issues. :evil:

~Kisses.

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[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

what I would be far more interested in: how many men left "The Scene" after a while, got on with a gg and never looked back.....bc more and more these days I feel like getting tired.....

But that's just temporary retirement from the "scene" mbf. There's more than a handful of men who are married with kids who still see's trannies (just ask any escort around - those types are the major $$ client types)! :lol:

;)

~Kisses.

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[flabbybody]

what I would be far more interested in: how many men left "The Scene" after a while, got on with a gg and never looked back.....bc more and more these days I feel like getting tired.....

But that's just temporary retirement from the "scene" mbf. There's more than a handful of men who are married with kids who still see's trannies (just ask any escort around - those types are the major $$ client types)! :lol:

;)

~Kisses.

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they go through stages of being super dl. they stop coming to HA, won't look at t porn, go about their lives even avoiding escorts for a long stretch .
but they always come back. you never leave completely, ever.

[sucka4chix]

i don't know how its possible but a lot of guys i meet are into trannies and also very homophobic....how can that be possible ?

Oh I know! Though isn't that an oxymoron?!? LOL

;)

~Kisses.

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No it is not! I don't consider myself homophobic, I don't care for that word at all. I have no irrational fear of homosexuals. Effeminate,flaming,flamboyant people who look outwardly like guys make my brain smoke. It has a hard time dealing with the juxtaposition of 2 glaring opposites! It's just easier to process a feminine form acting feminine. That's obvious!
The original question deals with the inaccurate labels we use and bad misuse of vocabulary. A guy who likes dicks up his poop chute and doesn't care if it's a guy or FEM ts is not GAY, but closer to BI. If he only likes men and tv/cd types, he's closer to gay. If he doesn't like men at all but likes FEM t-girls with big cocks he's closer to straight. It is a continuum. Very few people are perfectly straight/gay, but we have no terms for anything but these extremes. The key thing is people tend to zoom in on the cock. " If you like cock you're gay. If you have a cock you're a guy", when that's NOT the important thing. It's the total sum of the parts. It's algebra, and cock is only ONE variable. (I guess no one gets it cause people hate math). If you have a positive number that is large, and add a small negative number, the result is still positve! Get it?
If you are sexually attracted to Vaniity you are so much closer to straight than someone sexually attracted to Buck, even though Vaniity has a cock and Buck has a twat!

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Lmao..Very funny flabbybody. I know a few people like that actually..Even one who recently got married and fathered a child. I know he'll be back! LOL :lol:

~Kisses.

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[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

i don't know how its possible but a lot of guys i meet are into trannies and also very homophobic....how can that be possible ?

Oh I know! Though isn't that an oxymoron?!? LOL

;)

~Kisses.

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No it is not! I don't consider myself homophobic, I don't care for that word at all. I have no irrational fear of homosexuals. Effeminate,flaming,flamboyant people who look outwardly like guys make my brain smoke. It has a hard time dealing with the juxtaposition of 2 glaring opposites! It's just easier to process a feminine form acting feminine. That's obvious!
The original question deals with the inaccurate labels we use and bad misuse of vocabulary. A guy who likes dicks up his poop chute and doesn't care if it's a guy or FEM ts is not GAY, but closer to BI. If he only likes men and tv/cd types, he's closer to gay. If he doesn't like men at all but likes FEM t-girls with big cocks he's closer to straight. It is a continuum. Very few people are perfectly straight/gay, but we have no terms for anything but these extremes. The key thing is people tend to zoom in on the cock. " If you like cock you're gay. If you have a cock you're a guy", when that's NOT the important thing. It's the total sum of the parts. It's algebra, and cock is only ONE variable. (I guess no one gets it cause people hate math). If you have a positive number that is large, and add a small negative number, the result is still positve! Get it?
If you are sexually attracted to Vaniity you are so much closer to straight than someone sexually attracted to Buck, even though Vaniity has a cock and Buck has a twat!

Impressive explaination. I'd go use that arguments on my gay friends next time we have this discussion. And see if they understand the whole equation! LOL ;)

Thanks sucka.

~Kisses.

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[bellamy]

I'm sure there are some out there, but in my opinion not a lot. In my case ,and I would assume many others, I like ts woman because I like the way a woman looks physically, but I also like cocks. If I found the male form appealing I would have no issuses ingauging in "gay" sexual behaviors.

But hell thats just me, I could be wrong.

[Wombat]

I have never really put much thought into the subject, I subscribe to the theory that "every hole is a goal".

:peanutbutter

[flabbybody]

once you enter, you never leave







sorry, I feel a little crazy today

[dabaldone]

as to some other points:

even John Wanye had same sex phantasies as a teenager. doesn´t prove anything.

as to "social acceptance": it is in fact EASIER beeing openly gay these days in the western world than admit as a (semi-)public figure that you are into trannies. Hence the majors of Hamburg and Berlin, both openly gay guys.

Great point, our society has demonized trans-women and it is more accepted to be openly gay. As far as closeted gay guys and trans-women...There are a lot of "faux" trans-women; gay men who get all the work done to make more cash at escorting and pagents. But, their souls are inherently that of a gay male...big difference.

[FiremanforTS]

For what its worth, I have never been with a guy and am not interested. Some of us are only attracted to females. Transgender women are females to us, just with a certain appeal.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

And that makes you even more appealing FiremanforTS. LOL ;)

~Kisses.

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[BADAZZBODY]

most men that like trannys will deal with a guy but deny it.. i have a lot of male friends that are into tranny but they have been with a fair share of regular male.. most men first sexual experience are usally with men like them selve before the discover they are more into trannys..Even though its not their preference they still do it on the low ..just like the fuk with us on the low..true story...

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

most men that like trannys will deal with a guy but deny it.. i have a lot of male friends that are into tranny but they have been with a fair share of regular male.. most men first sexual experience are usally with men like them selve before the discover they are more into trannys..Even though its not their preference they still do it on the low ..just like the fuk with us on the low..true story...

My experiences are directly the opposite. I know a lot of guys. Most of which first started out liking transexuals (easier to the eyes and a transition I guess). But after awhile, some eventually came out to being gay cos they said that they love cocks and couldn't get enough bottoming. lol :lol:

~Kisses.

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[mbf]

most men that like trannys will deal with a guy but deny it.. i have a lot of male friends that are into tranny but they have been with a fair share of regular male.. most men first sexual experience are usally with men like them selve before the discover they are more into trannys..Even though its not their preference they still do it on the low ..just like the fuk with us on the low..true story...

hardly believable

I can never ever see myself having sex with a guy. furthermore, one has to distinguish: there are more types of guys interested in trannies, for different reasons.

It is an accepted fact that we have the cock-hound/bottom guy roaming this board/the escort sites (NOTE: I don´t have anything against them) - and I wouldnt even call those guys gay: for a simple reason: in my eyes they have a fetish directed at male sex organs, but not directed at the "male" as a whole.

Heck, even within gays you got different types.....

I hear that "guys into trannies will do other guys as well" a lot, but mainly from TS-hookers. Reason: you deal mostly with cock-hounds, therefore your view is distorted already. end of another story.

[mbf]

addendum: my bet would also be a lot of guys just like the "oddity" of a girl carrying a wiener.

not the most romantic reason, nevertheless truth.

[mbf]

oh, and one last thing: I find it especially amusing if a guy is eventually about to kick it off with a tranny, but doesn´t give a damn about the cock.

the face of disbelief and confusion is usually priceless

[sucka4chix]

hardly believable

I preferred your pre-edit opening, to which I was gonna say "Per usual!"

[mbf]

hardly believable

I preferred your pre-edit opening, to which I was gonna say "Per usual!"

well, since BADAZZBODY claims those were her personal experiences I though "ridiculous" would be bit too harsh

[lazyman]

I am sure it is true of a large constituency of men who express sexual interest in transsexuals. And doubtless some of these are using homophobic rhetoric of their own (or ostentatious displays of their continuing attraction to genetic women) as defence/distraction mechanisms.

However, there is also another side to the whole question, one which I didn't anticipate but which has become quite prominent on this board - and that's what I would term "sexual imperialism" emanating from gay men, albeit only from a small proportion of them.

What I refer to is the tendency to try to force others into a gay identity, regardless of whether or not that actually matches the person's sexual preferences. Those whose sexual preferences deviate from the heterosexual norm - for example by encompassing male-to-female transsexuals - are "deemed" gay, regardless of whether they are actually attracted to men per se. If they don't experience or demonstrate an attraction to men alongside their attraction to transsexuals, the gay imperialists square the circle by insisting that they must be "in denial".

I find it a little sad that some members of the gay community, which suffered (and in many places continues to suffer) severe discrimination and the denial of their orientation as valid state, now direct similar denigration towards others - prior victims of conformity are now conformity's enforcers.

[will802]

I'm sure there are guys out there that are closeted and see the tg as a way to satisfy the urges w/o feeling like they came out of the closet, as there are guys who see the tg's for what they are - a woman - and who treat them as women.

[yodajazz]

I got really bad vibes when I talked about my attraction to t's with a gay buddy at work. It was like his attitude was ' oh, it's just a matter of time you'll be joining my team '
He didn't say it exactly like that, but close. In general, I don't think gay men have a lot of sympathy or insight when it comes to the transgender thing. At least the folks that I know.

I haven’t got a chance to read the whole thread, but promise I will. You cannot trust the opinions of gay guys when it comes to sex discussions. I have gays friends. Everyone has a tendency to see the world from there own inner workings. Gay guys think everyone is gay or at least a large percentage of people who are gay. For example a straight man might look a gay man in the eyes or happen to smile at them and they think that person is gay, or flirting with them. That person may only be using people skills.

There are many more gay guys than transsexuals, so if a man was really gay, it would be much easier to find a gay guy than a ts. Men who like ts like those feminine characteristics. It’s biological, and men have a meter that tells them what they like. So the bottom line or short version is this.


your gay friends are just jealous u trannies get so much dick. end of the story.

I think that there are more cases of gay guys thinking they are trans, because they like masculine men than people might think, like some posters here I said. I read a couple of biographies where the person admitted it. These are the one that de-transistion after a while. I would that it’s also true of a percentage of those who identify as drag queens. They know they can attract males from the straighter end of the spectrum by appearing feminine.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

i don't know how its possible but a lot of guys i meet are into trannies and also very homophobic....how can that be possible ?

you go to a bar looking for a tranny and have some dude drunk & sweaty come up to you trying to hit on you and tell me you'd like it...................

gross IMO

[hwbs]

there is still a difference from telling the dude thanks but no thanks and wanting to beat the snot out of him in the parking lot 4 hitting on u ...

[flabbybody]

i don't know how its possible but a lot of guys i meet are into trannies and also very homophobic....how can that be possible ?

you go to a bar looking for a tranny and have some dude drunk & sweaty come up to you trying to hit on you and tell me you'd like it...................

gross IMO

isin't that more likely to happen at the Roosevelt Ave places which are more gay than tranny?
I'd be shocked to hear you ever got hit on by a dude at one of the Manhattan parties.

[tg4me]

No sense in re-writing what has been written. I agree with you. It's not a either/or issue. I could care less about your issues as a TS..as far as what turns me on. I enjoy the fetish scene and strap-on play. A TS is a girl with a real strap-on. If I don't find her hot, I'm not interested. If she's a bottom, not interested............ unless she's so pretty, I fall for her looks. If she looks like any guy, not interested. I NEVER dream of the the male form sexually. I cringe when I see guys kiss. YUK! I'm more surprised how few TS 's like pretty girls. How can you not LOVE/prefer pretty girls :shock: If you could dress a potato up as a pretty girl..... I'd love that too :roll: Yes I said a potato. Must be an adult Potato though. No Tater-tots :wink:
As for non-sexual issues? Of course we can also understand the conflicts and walls put before you. I have been hiding my Fetish desires for most of my life.
I can dream of being paddled by a man (teacher,coach) because they can be an authority figure. I don't go the next step and wish the teacher fuck me. If the teacher was a hot TS and fucked me, that's OK. I'm seduced by her beauty.
We all have our issues. I find many of you interesting as people. I view this as a porn site. If this was only a TG support forum, I would feel these comments are in poor taste.
If lusting over a pretty girl with a dick makes me Bi...then ok. I'm not turned on because your a TS, I'm turned on because of your beauty and you have a dick which makes it kinky. I would rather play with a hot girl with a strap-on than an ugly TS. I would rather Play with a pretty TS than an ugly GG. I don't want to play with a guy..unless he's into spanking without sex.
I don't think any of this makes me a closeted Gay guy. :roll:
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No it is not! I don't consider myself homophobic, I don't care for that word at all. I have no irrational fear of homosexuals. Effeminate,flaming,flamboyant people who look outwardly like guys make my brain smoke. It has a hard time dealing with the juxtaposition of 2 glaring opposites! It's just easier to process a feminine form acting feminine. That's obvious!
The original question deals with the inaccurate labels we use and bad misuse of vocabulary. A guy who likes dicks up his poop chute and doesn't care if it's a guy or FEM ts is not GAY, but closer to BI. If he only likes men and tv/cd types, he's closer to gay. If he doesn't like men at all but likes FEM t-girls with big cocks he's closer to straight. It is a continuum. Very few people are perfectly straight/gay, but we have no terms for anything but these extremes. The key thing is people tend to zoom in on the cock. " If you like cock you're gay. If you have a cock you're a guy", when that's NOT the important thing. It's the total sum of the parts. It's algebra, and cock is only ONE variable. (I guess no one gets it cause people hate math). If you have a positive number that is large, and add a small negative number, the result is still positve! Get it?
If you are sexually attracted to Vaniity you are so much closer to straight than someone sexually attracted to Buck, even though Vaniity has a cock and Buck has a twat![/quote]

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Umm..Were you quoting me or sucka? I think you should clean up your messy post tg4me! LOL ;)

~Kisses.

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[Quinn]

That there are closeted gay guys disguised as tranny lovers/admirers? That they like cocks and bottoming BUT denies their attraction for other men? So they go for transexuals as their next best option to being with someone with a cock that appears female?

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I think there are several distinct subgroups among the male members of the community. One of those subgroups – a large one – is comprised of men who have trouble confronting their own homosexual impulses and see transsexual women as a sort of compromise (one that doesn’t seem to work all that well). At least that's what I have observed over the years.

-Quinn

[ARMANIXXX]

So,

Which are you contrasting, cause I'm not entirely sure,

men who bottom, or men who like ts's?

[BeardedOne]

One would assume there have to be easier ways to make a living than to alter ones outside appearance strictly for financial gain...

I remember when Marielle Hemingway got her boobs cranked up to get the role of Dorothy Stratten in "Star 80". There was a big to-do about it (Including extended commentary by the early Bloom County comic strip wherein the characters commented on her new melons/cantaloupes/etc.). This sort of thing is commonplace in Hollywierd.


i don't know how its possible but a lot of guys i meet are into trannies and also very homophobic....how can that be possible ?

I met a strapping young buck when I was on the book circuit some years ago. Nice guy, fun to hang out with, definite eye candy for those that like muscle dudes. The guy was furiously homophobic and I sat him down once and explained that while I respected his opinions/feelings, he really needed to get them in check because a significant number of people we were dealing with at the time, both at the professional level and our customers/clients, were at the very least queer friendly/tolerant and at the very most so blazingly gay that they had their own signature line of feather boas on sale at Q-Mart. I added myself to the list, somewhere in the mid-range.

Needless to say, I was rather shocked to discover, not six months later, that he was a cage dancer in one of the premier gay dance clubs in the region. Go figure.

:shrug

A lot of it is situational. Some of these guys had their first male-to-male sexual experiences as a result of molestation by a sexual predator (Add me to that number, but not all worked out so well). So, there's a lot of shame and guilt issues in the shadows for them. While they may still have the interest or desire, it is overshadowed by the negative aspects of their early experiences and reinforced by whatever social or cultural background they may live in.


but they always come back. you never leave completely, ever.

It's really just the T version of the Hotel California: You can check out, but you can never leave.

In the nut's shell, Hara has just successfully launched a variant of the amigay thread. ;) Exception being that she is asking us to come up with the answer for ourselves, rather than help her decide a sexual identity/preference that she is already quite secure in.

A laser-straight, seriously homophobic friend of mine (We have oft been mistaken for brothers as we resemble each other in appearance and demeanor - One of the gurls here has met him and may offer an opinion/observation if she so chooses), who knows that I suck dick and take it up the ass when the mood so moves me and who sees gender as a purely black-and-white subject, once said "Nah, man...You're not gay! You treat your body like a sexual Disneyland, but you're not gay!". Which shows that it is all in individual perception.

I still like Wendy William's reply to Howard Stern: "Gay? No, my fans aren't gay. Freaky, yes, but not gay!".

Are there closeted gays pursuing T-gurls as a cover? I'm sure of it. The ones that cry the loudest are the queerest of the bunch. I have no ill feelings towards them, beyond a sadness that they can't feel a genuine joy with their T companions, always looking over their shoulder and wondering "What will people think?".

News flash: Thinking went out with the 1960 Edsel. If you're worried about what some cell phone jabbering, Wal-Mart shopping, American Idol watching, Hummer driving, pork rind munching, Old Frothingslosh guzzling, mobile home living, opossum eating maroon thinks about who you truly enjoy being with/fucking/getting fucked by, then you need to head down to Woodlawn and get a plot next to Abraham Norton, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico, because you are just as dead as he is.

[BeardedOne]

Hey, I think I used to live in that neighborhood a long time ago!

Some of us still do. I mentioned a rather massive groundhog in my backyard to my neighbor "Mrs. Kravitz" and she said "I can give you a recipe for that!". :lol:

[BeardedOne]

*Shreik!* :shock:

The dreaded double post! :evil:

[dgtlmstry]

For what its worth, I have never been with a guy and am not interested. Some of us are only attracted to females. Transgender women are females to us, just with a certain appeal.

Could not have said it better myself. Short and to the point. Some people continue to want to force this gay label on each other...I can't figure that out. Even if some people are afraid to admit it, I can't understand why that bothers some folks so much. I am fairly anonymous here on this board, and have no reason to lie about it when I say I have no attraction towards men, period. Some people might though and that's all good.

[62des]

Of course it could be possible but like hollywoodbuckstrap said, I think a lot of guys here are homophobic and I confess to be one of them. I still respect them like any other person though. ^ I second what he said this is the internet and I probably wont see any of you ever in life, so why lie?

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

In the nut's shell, Hara has just successfully launched a variant of the amigay thread. ;) Exception being that she is asking us to come up with the answer for ourselves, rather than help her decide a sexual identity/preference that she is already quite secure in.


Thanks B1. I love reading your thoughts about the subject. It's a very good discussion piece over a few drinks. ;) Though I think it's a bit different than the usual amigay threads in the sense that I believe my gay friends put forth an issue of value (to me anyways). And how they question the validity of masculinity of the guys that sees trannies as awhole. Maybe some are indeed closeted gay men (like Quinns earlier stated). Afraid of the stigma attached to the name being called gay. And scared being outcasted and abandoned by their own peers/friends and families. So in order to still get close to what they really wanted (cocks and being bottoms) they indulge and submerge themselves to the next best thing that they could have - Trannies! And maybe there are also some who aren't of the rainbow flag variety and that is truly and genuinely only attracted to women and trannies. :P

To me, unless a guy is obviously a power bottom and or acts effeminate in person (like what my gay guy friend said about a guy I've met. Which honestly, I didn't even see. So maybe his gaydar is a bit off? lol) then I'd be suspicious and would observe a little closer next time. Simply because, more often than not our attraction for someone makes us blind to the obvious that only real friends and or other people could see. ;)

~Kisses.

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[scorpion]

That there are closeted gay guys disguised as tranny lovers/admirers? That they like cocks and bottoming BUT denies their attraction for other men? So they go for transexuals as their next best option to being with someone with a cock that appears female?

I had this discussion with my gay friends. And they seemed otherwise convinced that not all men who are into women that's also into transexuals hetero..err straight (being they see tg's also as women)? They argued that how can one be so sure that if a guy goes with a tranny..he wouldn't go for another guy on the downlow? They also added that, if a guy went with a tranny they (my gay friends) could also get with him. So..is there some truth to it?

Discuss? Insights? ;)

LOL :popcorn

~Kisses.

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Hmm Im a gayman and attracted to trannys but I denies my attraction to womans whitout penis :wink:

[mikejones]

Great post Hara (Love the new avatar too, by the way). My thought is that there really is not a common reason for why guys like transexual girls. For many years it never occured to me that Tgirls sometimes top during sex. After reading this board I have realized that this is actually very common. In fact, probably the bottom guys are the majority here at Hung Angels. Its all good though, we all enjoy the pictures of the beautiful honeys!

[BeardedOne]

Thanks B1. I love reading your thoughts about the subject. It's a very good discussion piece over a few drinks.

Hey, I tried, but noooooo, you had to move out to the Left Coast. :P

And we all know about Quinn. :wink:

[mbf]

To me, unless a guy is obviously a power bottom and or acts effeminate in person (like what my gay guy friend said about a guy I've met. Which honestly, I didn't even see. So maybe his gaydar is a bit off? lol) then I'd be suspicious and would observe a little closer next time. Simply because, more often than not our attraction for someone makes us blind to the obvious that only real friends and or other people could see. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

I said it already and I say it again. your gay guy friend is friggin jealous, therefore fucking with you. figuratively.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Great post Hara (Love the new avatar too, by the way). My thought is that there really is not a common reason for why guys like transexual girls. For many years it never occured to me that Tgirls sometimes top during sex. After reading this board I have realized that this is actually very common. In fact, probably the bottom guys are the majority here at Hung Angels. Its all good though, we all enjoy the pictures of the beautiful honeys!

Thanks mikejones. Long time no hear. lol ;)

I think most bottoms - "bottoms" for the sake of getting their money's worth and to make the girls work for every single penny they ever get paid for (wether a guy truly enjoys it or not). It's almost customary in the business of escorting.

Though I also think, It's a bit different when it's not paid meet. In an ltr, dating and or hook up type setting, the men are and should be predominantly tops and the girls bottom. And of course, once in awhile do role play reversal to break the monotonous routine so to speak. ;)

A lot of guys made great points in the previous pages. Like I said to my gay friends..To me personally, If a guy sucks girlie tranny cock then he closer to bi than gay or straight. And if a guy sucks girlie tranny cocks and power bottoms he is closer to gay..only if he ask for it all the time. Now IF it's occasionally, I'd say he is just being sexually explorative and experimental (I mean, he is just working with what is there between our legs)! ;)

You cant really call a casual/occasional drinker an alcoholic, right? LOL




I said it already and I say it again. your gay guy friend is friggin jealous, therefore fucking with you. figuratively.

I know mbf. Gay men are such CUNTS! LOL

~Kisses.

HTG

[mbf]

@ hara

btw, what was so effiminate with the guy? Did he wear a pink shirt, or did he have a T-mobile contract?

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

@ hara

btw, what was so effiminate with the guy? Did he wear a pink shirt, or did he have a T-mobile contract?

His gesture, walk, mannerisms? I really don't know (It's not like it's recent that I can do a playback in my head lol). But that's what I was told. Sorta really IRKED and ANNOYED me. :roll: Then again, i know most mama's boy exhibit that character (fragile?). ;)

Umm, what's so effeminate about having a T-mobile contract mbf? CAN YA HEAR ME NOW?!? LOL

~Kisses.

HTG

[mbf]

@ hara

btw, what was so effiminate with the guy? Did he wear a pink shirt, or did he have a T-mobile contract?

His gesture, walk, mannerisms? I really don't know (It's not like it's recent that I can do a playback in my head lol). But that's what I was told. Sorta really IRKED and ANNOYED me. :roll: Then again, i know most mama's boy exhibit that character (fragile?). ;)

Umm, what's so effeminate about a T-mobile contract mbf?

~Kisses.

HTG

isn´t T-Mobile´s main color PINK?

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Oh I wasn't aware of that mbf. LOL :lol:

~Kisses.

HTG

[mbf]

but honestly, the whole thing to me sounds like one of those revenge acts of a disappointed gay guy.

He couldn´t get i nto the pants of him, so he tried to cause some trouble at least. Obviously, it worked!

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

but honestly, the whole thing to me sounds like one of those revenge acts of a disappointed gay guy.

He couldn´t get i nto the pants of him, so he tried to cause some trouble at least. Obviously, it worked!

Remember, My gay guy friend asked me if he could borrow the guy? WTF?!? LOL

~Kisses.

HTG

[sucka4chix]

As an adolescent pre-perv, I used to read sex novels. They never had homesexual acts in them, BUTT the guys were always buggering the women, and the women were ALWAYS fingering the guys " because Candy knew that massaging his prostate would send Julius into an ecstatic realm he had never imagined"! These humble beginnings made me anal curious. I found that while prostate massage made me cum harder, it didn't actually feel good to me. Mostly it was kinky and forbidden, so I liked it since the ultimate goal is always a more intense orgasm.
I been in the tranny game more than a minute ( hell, more than an hour), BUTT I never got with a girl so she could fuck my ass! Usually they bug the shit outta me and I relent because I'm horny as fuck and I think they're hot! Then I complain about it afterwards. There was only one time I really enjoyed it, but I think she slipped me a mickey.
T-girls evolve. Most girls I knew said they hated to top, thought it disgusting. Then years later you see them and that's all they want to do.

[sucka4chix]

Oops!

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Then years later you see them and that's all they want to do.

Funny you mentioned. I've never topped a guy growing up (Boys in the PI aren't bottoming obsessed). 'Til I get here, things slowly changed. LOL :evil:

~Kisses.

HTG

[muhmuh]

more on gay guys... some topics never die do they?

no on to what will look a hell of a lot like stalking


what I would be far more interested in: how many men left "The Scene" after a while, got on with a gg and never looked back.....bc more and more these days I feel like getting tired.....

define scene in that context
but i wouldnt be surpised if theres a large number of guys who get discouraged by the odds of ever meeting a (compatible) girl thats not part of the industry and decide to rather take their chances with the widely available ggs


It is an accepted fact that we have the cock-hound/bottom guy roaming this board/the escort sites (NOTE: I don´t have anything against them) - and I wouldnt even call those guys gay: for a simple reason: in my eyes they have a fetish directed at male sex organs, but not directed at the "male" as a whole.

isnt there plenty to hold against them for their objectification of the most glaringly obvious kind?


addendum: my bet would also be a lot of guys just like the "oddity" of a girl carrying a wiener.

not the most romantic reason, nevertheless truth.

yeah but thats deeply routed in the nature of porn and humans... porn is largely about pushing boundaries of whats considered to be kinky and sooner or later you get numb torwards the latest trends in porn (atm will hardly raise eyebrows nowerdays and has become the norm)
ts porn is a rather steep incline in kinkyness... at first anyway

[ezed]

There are no classifications of people, as much as you would like it to be. Gay, tranny lover, hetro...who knows what we are on any particular night with any particular person.

I have not yet been with a guy, but have been with a bunch of transexuals. Of course some would like to analyze this to determine if the transexuals were transexuals, transvesties or crossdressers. Who fucking cares.

At each time there was something appealing about the person I was with. Never asked them if they were a certified classification. It happened with the eyes and what they said.

Has anybody seen the movie, "Midnight Express". If I were in the same situation as Billy Hayes with the Scandenavian guy, yeah I would do it.

If I wasn't in that situation, our paths would have never crossed and it wouldn't have happened.

You can't predict what you would do, though you can shout you've never do that!

Shit happens, and it only happens if there's an attraction. Am I gay, no fucking way! But it could happen! Hasn't yet, but if it did....I still like GG's, TG's, TV's and whomever I meet who's eyes and conversation lure me in.

Stop the bullshit! You all know in your own mind, not the presonna you're portraying. When we stop classifying the wars will end.

[Nowhere]

From the thread "Why do men show interest in transsexuals":


1. Amping up the taboo factor, one step beyond the lesbian thing (this I see as the majority, btw)
2. Simple bisexuality
3. Using the girls as a way to slowly open the door to their latent homosexuality
4. Using the girls to keep the door partially open, denying their latent homsexuality
5. Because of what effort the girls make looking THAT gorgeous, some guys just don't care if one thing's off.
6. Wannabees projecting themselves as being or being like the tgirls they're into
7. Any combination of 1-6

So, yes, I believe there are plenty of gay or bi men who are in denial about that side of themselves who are into tgirls. They're the big cock bandits who love the super masculine ladies and the ones who just focus on their 'unit' as if the rest of their body makes it "ok" to do so. Remember, it has nothing to do with social acceptance, but everything to do with what one rationalizes in their mind.

The guys who are truly into both, who don't care to see guys being "bottomed" in porn and and actually deem the girls attractive when they're dressed are the ones who are about amping up the taboo factor or just liking them because they are THAT gorgeous.

Simple as that.

[Wombat]

A laser-straight, seriously homophobic friend of mine (We have oft been mistaken for brothers as we resemble each other in appearance and demeanor - One of the gurls here has met him and may offer an opinion/observation if she so chooses), who knows that I suck dick and take it up the ass when the mood so moves me and who sees gender as a purely black-and-white subject, once said "Nah, man...You're not gay! You treat your body like a sexual Disneyland, but you're not gay!". Which shows that it is all in individual perception.



I can totally relate to this comment B1. I work in one of the most intolerant organisations in the world but I'm accepted. My mates all know my sexual preferences and they don't care. They know that I will fuck anything that moves and if it doesn't move I will give it a push. Man, woman or transgender... :wink:

I guess I am accepted because I don't come across as 'gay'. If you met me you would probably pick me as anything but. If you saw me coming down a dark alley you would probably start looking for an escape route. :mrgreen:

My mates have much the same attitude as your homophobic friend. Or they are just so confused as to what I might be, they just can't label me. Whatever the case, my lifestyle is not anything like the stereotypical gay man portrayed in popular culture. No mincing or limp wristing for me, thankyou (and I have seen plenty of them here in Sydney). :D

The only person that has ever said anything was a totally gay mate of mine (had the accent and effeminate manner, not my type, a friend nontheless) that was staying at my flat with me while he got his own place sorted. He said I was a bit fastidious with regards to the cleanliness of my place, and that I was more gay than him in that regard, as in (assumes gay stance and voice) "You clean more than me, thats totally gay". I retorted with a "Get fucked ya prick", in that good natured use of profanity that we Australians possess. :wink:
Who would want to live in a shitfight anyway? Doesn't make a good impression when you pick up. :P

As you say it is all about individual perception, and it is a test of who your real friends are, those who accept you for what you are. The rest are just excess baggage that is best left behind.

[justatransgirl]

Sorry I'm a bit late... but going way back to Kira and Cheri's comments about people who undergo body modifications specifically to play on the TS "name" to earn more money. I know two "girls" in LA who've undergone implants and silicone injections to appear femme, but who don't take hormones. They both intend to have the implants removed when they "retire" and go back to living as guys.

I don't understand it, for what they make I think there's easier ways. But maybe not, one is a felon and the other has "issues" and both are on disability and basically unemployable.

I notice their reactions are like guys though. Like one time I was with my one friend and we saw this cute girl walk by. I was thinking, "gosh I wish my ass looked that cute in tight jeans..." and my friends blurts out, "God I'd like to Fuck her!"

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[mbf]

summary:

this thread is in fact a variant of:

I am straighter than you

I am trannier than you

end.

keep always in mind: for the majority of people WE ALL ARE FUCKING FREAKS.

[sucka4chix]

summary:

this thread is in fact a variant of:

I am straighter than you

I am trannier than you

end.


keep always in mind: for the majority of people WE ALL ARE FUCKING FREAKS.

99.9% of threads here are... If you deeply analyze them.(Except maybe those from JWBL which are just stream of consciousness). The world is a CHAUVINISTIC place;I've said it before. We think we belong to certain groups and fiercely and actively attack others not in the group. It is one of the most basic laws of this planet.

[TomSelis]

I have to go to work, but I'm going to jump in really quick.

From what I've seen or learned:

1) Sexuality is an extremely broad spectrum. It could be possible to like tgirls and women, just tgirls or tgirls and men. I've learned to just accept that every guy isn't like me.

2) Although people like to make fun of it "Am I gay?" is a serious issue. We're just tired of talking about it. I'm sure there are guys that will eventually become fully into men, just like there are guys that won't.

3) There are no absolutes. I know sometimes when people talk or speak, you have to generalize. But every guy dabbling with other guys just isn't true.

4) I don't know how to put this any other way: Gay guys want EVERBODY to be gay. There was a gay guy at my job that hit on me. At first I thought maybe he does know I like tgirls or something. But then I found out he hit on every single guy at my job and a couple of married guys too. I don't believe in gaydar anymore.

So the bottom line is take everybody as a case by case basis.

[Wombat]

We think we belong to certain groups and fiercely and actively attack others not in the group. It is one of the most basic laws of this planet.

Very well said...

Which is why these threads go on and on and on...and then on a bit more.

[lazyman]

We think we belong to certain groups and fiercely and actively attack others not in the group. It is one of the most basic laws of this planet.

Yeah, or try to force them into your group, or someone else's.

[ARMANIXXX]

TEST

[ARMANIXXX]

I'm seeing that lots of guys here are in fact gay or bi. I didn't believe it was so common, as I obviously haven't been paying close enough attention.


I can't speak for anyone else, but I myself can't be gay. Just because I like TS's, it's almost offensive to be labeled as gay, especially by a ts woman.......but what can one do? *shrug*

At anyrate, since I was like 2 or 3, I've liked nothing but women. When my older sisters girl friends used to come over, I would light up like a Christmas tree and be so excited. I liked women then, I liked women in my teens, and I like women now.

I like the way women look, I like the way they feel, and I like the way women smell. Never have I felt any of that for a man.

I like blond women, I like brunette women, I like some skinny women, I like some fat women, I like different race women, same race women, older women, same age and younger women. I like women.

When I see a TS woman, I simply see another type of woman. It took me a while to understand that, that doesn't make me gay......It makes me a man and possibly a pig at the same time......but not gay.

[BADAZZBODY]

hara...well i guess after alot of men realizing that im not sexually into them they end up being good friends.. thats how i end up with so many male friends..and they fell comfortable telling me things even thought they are definate tranny chasers..they like men women and transsexual..and they are mostely tops.. so that might be part of the reason y our experiences are different hara...

[Wombat]

When I see a TS woman, I simply see another type of woman. It took me a while to understand that, that doesn't make me gay......It makes me a man and possibly a pig at the same time......but not gay.



So tell all your staight mates that you date transgender girls, you'll soon have a general concenus of what they think you are...

[kingkohl]

Well I don't know how to classify myself. Ever since I remember I have liked women, wanted to fuck women, fantasized about women. However in my mid teens I started watching straight & lesbian porn with a friend and it all started from there.

I started getting the urge to touch him; gathered to courage to actually do it; and from there on I progressed to suck him a little. The next step was to get together every couple of days or so where I would suck him and drink cum multiple times. I used to beg him to fuck me but he wouldn't. All this while I would still be attracted to only women and the thought of getting it on with another guy disgusted me.

Then I stumbled across a TS porn tape one day and that shook my world. This was probably the best of both worlds I thought. But I was still primarily attracted to women. Though I never got a chance to get on with a TS, I would still get it on with my friend (this continued up to my late teens and even a few years after that).

I then moved away and got a chance to see a TS, that was the first time I tried anal but couldn't succeed since it was very painful. Ended up blowing the TS and getting her load on my face. I was still primarily attracted to women.

A few years went by and I discovered the world of BDSM, started seeing Mistresses and one of them introduced me to Anal Play, she was great with it and with judicious use of lube and poppers she fucked me with a strap on; that was probably the best sexual experience of my life. From here on there was no turning back, every weekend I was laying on the bench with my legs spread and a strp on stuck inside me :-) All this while I was still attracted to women.

I then gathered the courage to try an encounter with a TS again, by now I was experienced with the bottom role. This experience with a TS was great, getting fucked was not that painful and eventually got enjoyable and an actual cock cumming in my mouth after all these years was amazing. The next few years I was regularly getting fucked by strap ons and/or real cocks. All this while I was still interested in women.

I am now married, with children and occasionally I do play the bottom role with a TS or Mistress; but I am still primarily attracted to women and wouldn't consider getting it on with another guy. Except with my original friend whose cock I sucked in my younger days, I still fantasize about him.

What would this make me; gay, bi, straight but loving transexuals?

KingKohl

[Wombat]

What would this make me; gay, bi, straight but loving transexuals?

KingKohl

Try-sexual... :P

[a994]

That there are closeted gay guys disguised as tranny lovers/admirers? That they like cocks and bottoming BUT denies their attraction for other men? So they go for transexuals as their next best option to being with someone with a cock that appears female?

I had this discussion with my gay friends. And they seemed otherwise convinced that not all men who are into women that's also into transexuals hetero..err straight (being they see tg's also as women)? They argued that how can one be so sure that if a guy goes with a tranny..he wouldn't go for another guy on the downlow? They also added that, if a guy went with a tranny they (my gay friends) could also get with him. So..is there some truth to it?

HELL NO.

Honestly, I've never been attracted to the male form. And I've always fantasized about genetic women a lot more than I have about transsexual women. And even if I do have sex with a t-woman and even bottom for her, I cannot see myself ever even considering doing anything sexual with another man.

So Hara, your gay friends are going to have to look elsewhere.

[a994]

If you are sexually attracted to Vaniity you are so much closer to straight than someone sexually attracted to Buck, even though Vaniity has a cock and Buck has a twat!


AMEN.

[62des]

If you are sexually attracted to Vaniity you are so much closer to straight than someone sexually attracted to Buck, even though Vaniity has a cock and Buck has a twat!


AMEN.

Finally a comment with great sense.

[CatalystParadox]

I have heard guys say over and over that they are NOT gay because they like dick and are strictly bottoms when it comes to being with a Tranny and that they also like being with GG's as well, but if you get to know most and have a discussion, most will have some story about how they "experimented" with guys when they were younger or in the service or whatever...

I think this has a lot to do with the fact that sexuality tends to be pretty fluid anyway. I mean, I imagine if you could do a survey (and have people actually self-report accurately, by some miracle) the percentage of straight men who are NOT into tgirls who have experimented with men at some point wouldn't be much less than those who are into t-girls.

Maybe it's just me... hell, I suppose its likely... but my attraction to tgirls really is seperate from my attraction to women and to men. A tgirl is in no way a surrogate for men... I fully admit I'm attracted to men, and to women, but its the collision of opposites, the fusion, the androgyny and the inversions that draw me. I think Cheri really is the case in point about this. She plays with gender fluidity so brazenly on her website, it's really interesting and absolutely sexy. I really think its this gender interplay that gives her and all the rest of the best ts/tg/tv porn its appeal.

I mean... it clearly goes beyond the genitalia and also whether someone likes to top or bottom. There are plenty of completely straight guys who love to be bent over and pegged by a dominant woman. Sucking cock or being fucked anally is really NOT a gender thing. I mean, obviously for some it is, but I think equally obviously for some it is not. Your fetishes and your gender preferences really are seperate, even if they do happen to line up.

[duncan12]

I suspect it varies a lot from person to person. Speaking for myself... I identify as a straight guy, but I've always been hot for trannies. I am attracted to the soft skin, long hair, the tits of women. I have no interest in men. Then again, the idea of a throbbing dick is pretty freaking hot... but it better be sticking out of a dress.

Who knows, maybe deep down I am a repressed homo. But until/unless I ever figure that out, I will be hot for the girls with something extra.

[blacktgirls]

That there are closeted gay guys disguised as tranny lovers/admirers? That they like cocks and bottoming BUT denies their attraction for other men? So they go for transexuals as their next best option to being with someone with a cock that appears female?

I had this discussion with my gay friends. And they seemed otherwise convinced that not all men who are into women that's also into transexuals hetero..err straight (being they see tg's also as women)? They argued that how can one be so sure that if a guy goes with a tranny..he wouldn't go for another guy on the downlow? They also added that, if a guy went with a tranny they (my gay friends) could also get with him. So..is there some truth to it?

Discuss? Insights? ;)

LOL :popcorn

~Kisses.

HTG i can only speak for myself in saying that i'm 100% hetro. i was at a pride event watching a drag show and there was what women or gay men would call an attractive twink dancing in nothing but a thong. i was trying to snap some pictures of the show while dodgeing this guy from bumping in to me. when this dude finally brushed my bare arm with his sweaty ass cheek, i was like ben stiller in the basketball scene in the movie " along came polly" and felt i needed a shower right then and there. if one of you sexy girls bumped into me with your bare sweaty ass cheeks i would probably pop wood. i am not into bears or twinks just hot looking GGs and TGs not that theres anything wrong with that.

[dan_yearsgone83]

When I see a TS woman, I simply see another type of woman. It took me a while to understand that, that doesn't make me gay......It makes me a man and possibly a pig at the same time......but not gay.



So tell all your staight mates that you date transgender girls, you'll soon have a general concenus of what they think you are...

"So...you're gay?"

[CatalystParadox]

When I see a TS woman, I simply see another type of woman. It took me a while to understand that, that doesn't make me gay......It makes me a man and possibly a pig at the same time......but not gay.



So tell all your staight mates that you date transgender girls, you'll soon have a general concenus of what they think you are...

"So...you're gay?"

I guess I'm lucky, in that I -do- tell my friends I'm into transsexuals, and they get that it doesn't make a person "gay".

[TessTickles]

I agree that alot of the guys may be closet gays.
Just look at the threads about 'club kids' and the kid from Idol.
These members are looking at guys and being turned on by what they could be.
If they were looking at girls, and finding out that some of them have 'a little something extra', then I would say they are straight.

[Nowhere]

That there are closeted gay guys disguised as tranny lovers/admirers? That they like cocks and bottoming BUT denies their attraction for other men? So they go for transexuals as their next best option to being with someone with a cock that appears female?

I had this discussion with my gay friends. And they seemed otherwise convinced that not all men who are into women that's also into transexuals hetero..err straight (being they see tg's also as women)? They argued that how can one be so sure that if a guy goes with a tranny..he wouldn't go for another guy on the downlow? They also added that, if a guy went with a tranny they (my gay friends) could also get with him. So..is there some truth to it?

Discuss? Insights? ;)

LOL :popcorn

~Kisses.

HTG

As I pointed out in another thread, I think there's a good percentage of guys who are just that:




Why do men show interest in transsexuals?

1. Amping up the taboo factor, one step beyond the lesbian thing (this I see as the majority, btw)
2. Simple bisexuality
3. Using the girls as a way to slowly open the door to their latent homosexuality
4. Using the girls to keep the door partially open, denying their latent homsexuality
5. Because of what effort the girls make looking THAT gorgeous, some guys just don't care if one thing's off.
6. Wannabees projecting themselves as being or being like the tgirls they're into
7. Any combination of 1-6

And I do think the extreme c*ckbandits who only focus on that part of the woman and bottom-only guys comprise of the majority of in-denial guys...

[Supai]

My experiences are directly the opposite. I know a lot of guys. Most of which first started out liking transexuals (easier to the eyes and a transition I guess). But after awhile, some eventually came out to being gay cos they said that they love cocks and couldn't get enough bottoming. lol :lol:

~Kisses.

HTG

Sorry for the ancient quote, but there's your problem. Any guy who really really likes bottoming, it will only a matter of time before he gets sick of most TS resistance to it and will care less about who he is bottoming with. Heck any guy who constantly wants to be pegged by a GG is a as good as gay in most people, let alone self declared gay mens minds. Last visage of the old roman mentality where queer was not what sex you were with, but what you are doing in sex.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Thanks Nowhere. Those does make sense. LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[blacktgirls]

nothing gay about liking a girl who brings her own tool belt

[T Oracle]

Hara,

You are one of a number of girls that I've never seen naked AND find physically attractive. (And interesting too.)

So how gay does that make me?

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Hara,

You are one of a number of girls that I've never seen naked AND find physically attractive. (And interesting too.)

So how gay does that make me?

LOL Well then that means you're not fixated on a girls cock or ass (whichever most guys are into)..which is a good thing IMO. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[21plus]

I'm a Newbie and my take on the topic is..... According to society if your a man and you like, enjoy, fantasize...touch, lick, or even look at penis too long then your Gay! (Once again I want to remind you that's what society says)

So I wonder where I fall because I don't find just any ole Ts attractive.... I'm attracted to the more feminine Tg's If you even remotely look like a Guy i'm totally turned off! But at the same time I am intrigued by your special surprise that your hiding... Which I do like to touch, lick or even look at so does that make me gay?..... Then I guess people would say im bi... How? I don't like guys (well at least guys that look like guys without fake breast and long hair and a feminine face lol) I guess the only way to settle this is to make up a name for the Large whether they admit it or not that like Tg's.... any suggestions????

Ok last but not least If a straight guy encounters a Fully Passable TG at a straight club and he finds her very attractive, dances with her and even gets her number does this make him gay? Cause the truth of the matter is, technically he's attracted to a guy..... ok you may say it doesn't count cause he doesn't know the truth yet... well what happens when he finds out? Yea i'm sure he'll act crazy and be mad but there's one thing that won't change he still finds her Physically attractive whether she has a penis or not!

So in the End where all Gay lol!