Vacation Destinations...any good ideas?

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Den Haag, Holland or Belgium

travel into Amsterdam to party but one full day & night in Den Haag around this time of year will have you falling in love.............. it's basically the village SOHO with hundreds of bicycles and almost all the pleasures of NYC, Kentucky Fried/Burger King, etc...........

the WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the women alone will have you melting like a hershey bar in a fat kids pocket on a 100 degree weather day (don't ask me where that came from it just got typed, lol)

a few ex military have never returned from being stationed over there, after spending some time you'll understand why

[popperluv]

ARGENTINA!
You will live like a king down there cause your dollar will be worth alot.
Escort are 40 buck an hour and they are drop dead fine.
Not many black girls down there but you find some meat packin latinas :lol:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=2858

[TomSelis]

Fellas, he said something cheap.

Miami: It's Stateside, relatively cheap to go to. Possibly driveable from NYC. Beautiful women. Raquel Reyes is from Miami, Nia, also Black Diamond.

New Orleans: Cool city, just stick to the touristy areas. I was foolish enough to wander around one night. Not a good idea. Felicia is from the NO.

Las Vegas: The mother of all mothers. Just don't lose your shirt out there! There used to be a mitsubishi commercial about two guys going to Vegas. I lived that...once. Celeste is out there. Las Vegas girls look _GOOD_. They even have a couple of TG dance shows....one is called Las Vegas Lounge.

If you want to do foreign on the cheap let me break something down for you: Canada is great in the summer! The US' best kept secret!! Don't know much about the scene, but it's close. The dollar goes a little farther up there too.

Toronto: Beautiful city, like NYC only cleaner. Don't know much about the scene there, but I'm sure you can find what you are looking for up there. 7-8 hour drive.

Montreal: Ever wanted to go to France? Well, another 7-8 hour drive and you'll be in a place just like it. It's like being in Europe.


Vancouver: One of the few places on earth where you can go skiing then go to the beach in the span of a half hour. Definitely Amsterdam West. Probably the most pricey place I've mentioned so far. Since I've been there, I've been thinking about moving there permanently over the last couple of years.


Whereever you decide to go, get home safe.

[zaron]

Thailand, especially if you can go direct from iraq w/o having to comeback to the US.

[Ecstatic]

I was going to make the same suggestion, zaron. American coin will go far there from what I'm told (I plan to visit in 2-3 years). And I second Tom's ideas about Canada. I've never been to Vancouver or Toronto, but Montreal is a second home to me; I visit at least once a year, my first visit back when I was a wee lad of 11 years (1963). It does have a scene, but I've never really had the chance to check it out (usually visiting with my wife). The place to go is supposed to be Cleopatra's, a club with a TS presence, but the one time I went in it was dead (a cold, rainy night in November, gee, I wonder why). But Montreal is very much like visiting France (which I have done), yet much friendlier to Americans, great sights, great restaurants, reasonable prices.

[GroobySteven]

Thailand - beautiful beaches, everyone speaks English - American/German/English/Chinese/Italian/Thai food, hotels have A/C and are about $20 a day.
LBs and girls everywhere - $50 a girl all night and they're awesome.
seanchai

[hillbilly]

i just can't get my mind around having a girl for $50 a night! i better never go.

aren't you just spoiled for life after that?

[GroobySteven]

Totally spoiled - you won't be buying $15 martini's trying to possibly get a girl into bed with you any longer.
seanchai

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Den Haag is cheap, and Amsterdam is a stone throw away, both places have red light districts, when I was in Amsterdam I walked down the TS street and you would all be AMAZED at the beautiful T's over there in the window every day.................

[ambient]

I'm heading to Amsterdam in September... any pointers are greatly appreciated!!!

[Saiga]

I'm heading to Amsterdam in September... any pointers are greatly appreciated!!!


Some sites with tourist info:

http://www.holland.com/us/
http://www.iamsterdam.nl/
http://www.denhaag.com/tourism/gb/

:)

And There is a dutch forum where they review "prostitutes" and this is the TS board: http://www.hookers.nl/forum/index.php?board=51 use Babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr) or ask me if you want to know anything specific.

BTW: With the high euro (low Dollar) right now, The Netherlands isn't the best place to go if you're looking for a cheap vacation.

[Evilhomer]

nycemt

You should go to Costa Rica.... it is one of the most amazing places I've been. Beautiful beaches ... I got round trip airfare for around $330 and just like Argentina, the US dollar goes very far there... In the Capital San Juan there are some of the most beautiful Women (and TS) I have seen. I went there with a bunch of guys and although I personally did not partake in an escort, my 4 friends had 9 girls in the first night, 2 were sisters. ...on better than the next.

Really amazing place, its really accommodating to Americans ... very clean and safe.

[JackHammer]

...and isn't there a competition with a prize of a trip to Thailand somewhere abouts?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

it is nice to see that some of you pick your vacation spots
on the disadvantages of sex workers in developing or third world countries....

geez

lets go to thailand becuase it is a beautiful place, not because i can have sex with girls all night for 75 dollars.

[geekmeat]

I would love to give my face a vacation between your amazing titties........but im afraid it would be an expensive vacation.

I cant wait to meet you in person.............


it is nice to see that some of you pick your vacation spots
on the disadvantages of sex workers in developing or third world countries....

geez

lets go to thailand becuase it is a beautiful place, not because i can have sex with girls all night for 75 dollars.

[GroobySteven]

How are the sex workers in those countries disadvantaged?

Thailand: Average wage for a non-college graduate monthly about $150-$250
Average pay for working in sex industry per customer $50
Average apartment rent in Bangkok $75 a month.
I know working girls that make more than lawyers and doctors over there.
(Brazil works on a similar model as above also).


US sex workers although they charge more I doubt can make their monthly rent up in average 1.5 clients ?

Just because a country may be developing it doesn't mean it's citizens are living what the West may class as developing lives. I've seen as much poverty, homeless and disgusting standards of living in the so-called developed Europe and USA.
seanchai

[hillbilly]

naive baseless comment by Allanah.

meanwhile i believe Allanah that you went to a club when you were over there and came back and recommended the trip to the HA board?

if you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem. but actually there is no problem.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

fuck it i dont feel like arguing. lol
i just deleted my whole post

hillbilly thanks, i always welcome your acid tounge, now i just know what u loiok like in case i want to bitch at you in person

mr. s

i have a surprise for you involving your favorite magazine
hehe

[AllanahStarrNYC]

CENSORED BY NYCe!!!

[AllanahStarrNYC]

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[AllanahStarrNYC]

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[GroobySteven]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

so in developing and third world countries then there are not horrible situations, in some instances, of human trafficking, people who have not much choices but work in the sex industry? i beg to differ. instance the country i was born in- do you think anyone who is really working there for nothing is doing it because they want to? no it is because of sheer need-in many cases, a desperate need for very basic things.

Thailand there are plenty of other choices other than working in prostitution for TS's as well as girls. They CHOOSE to work in the sex industry because the pay is that much better, in 2-3 years a girl can make enough money to move back to the country, build a house and have a owner-business. Human trafficking??? The most human trafficking is probably cheap labour brought into sweatshops to provide cheap junk to the West, not the sex trade. What about the human trafficking bringing girls into the USA for the sex industry?
Not sure which countries you're talking about, maybe in Cuba where everyone is struggling for basic services but certainly not in Thailand, where I recommended. (or Brazil for that matter).





and hillbilly, yes i went to thailand and yes i recomemmended the club because i had a good time and i thought the girls were lovely. i didn´t say go there have and fuck anyone. i certanly did not have sex with anyone who was working at the club. i was not in thailand as a sex tourist, i had been flown in by someone. i don´t believe in sex tourism, i don´t believe in someone going to a country for the sole reason of having cheap sex. i hear that shit all the time....

If you weren't in Thailand as a sex tourist then why were you there? Furthermore, why were you in a club that specialises in prostitutes?
Is it ok to go to a country to have expensive sex?




watch the documentary film-born into brothels-
or better yet, catch a documentary or undercover story of americans
and europeans going to developing and third world countries to have sex with children and underage girls, boys, etc. i am not equating
the posts mentioned above with what i just posted,
but if you choose to believe that people in developing countries and third world nations are in the sex industry because they really want to, well then you believe that.

We're not talking about pedophilia (although more happens through family members, priests and teachers). We're not talking about people forced into the sex trade. We're talking about going to a country where the sex restrictions are noticably more lax than the US and where the economy is different enough to make it substantially cheaper than the USA. The current lower dollar against the euro/pound makes the USA an excellent place for Europeans and Middle-Easterns to come and get cheaper sex than at home. Is this not the same, some Brits or Saudi's coming to NYC to get girls at $150-$250 a pop and not $400+ like the UK?


better yet, come to madrid , where i am now, and its 99% brazilian and south american ts working here-all the big names you will recognize
on the sites, films, etc. i guess working the streets in brazil isnt´such a great life so that is why they all flock to europe where they can get visas and work for madames, and pimps, and all the goodness that comes along with that.


Been to Madrid and loved it. Most of those girls would rather be in Brazil but the lure of a lot of money made fast is a hell of incentive to risk immigration, police and pimps. I fail to see the relevance of this?

Love you Allanah but you've a bee in your bonnet about something and you're way off on this.
seanchai

[hondarobot]

Holy crap, Allanha and Seanchai are fighting! Has the world gone topsy turvy?!

(Hondarobot waves everyone in the playground over)

Check it out everyone, this could be a really good one!

:)

[hillbilly]

you are certainly splitting hairs. you are well aware of what happens at the clubs. so to me ANY association or support is hypocritical. when you recommend going to a place in Thailand what do you think guys are going there for? the chips and dip? the drinks? so if you are SO against the flesh peddling then don't even mention it.

please don't put words in my mouth. i didn't say you were a sex tourist or what have you. blah blah blah.

so when you were in Thailand you chose to pay above the asking price for things because why its the right thing to do? you found an amazing $10 meal but decided to pay the $100 NYC price? i don't think so.

its more noble for me to troll clubs in NY for my whores i guess is the message. honestly its hard to tell where you draw the line.

you should be just as concerned about who and how your designer threads were made. are you squeamish about the countless immigrants here in NYC working below minimum wage living in deplorable conditions cooking our meals?

the point being we are all guilty. by no means do i condone any of it. it saddens me greatly.

[emokid]

Venezuela :oops:

[AllanahStarrNYC]

it´s not a fight- it is a difference of opinion....

hehe

i think for he first time ever i have nothing to say lol
i am just too hung over!

´Your nithing but a rotten, stinking, lawyer-supplying the grease that keeps this shitty movie business going. Your hand is in every cover up i this town. YOU WREAK OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!´

to be said with a cocktail in hand, then shake me, and ask me if i am crazy and i say yes.

now go watch mommie dearest :D

[AllanahStarrNYC]

i like the bee in my bonnet remark....

i liked this article so i posted it-


Today, sex tourism is a multibillion dollar industry that supports an international workforce estimated to number in the millions. Because prostitution is illegal in most countries, exact statistics about sex workers, their international clients, and the money generated within the industry itself are unavailable. Employees benefiting from the sex tourism industry include female and male sex workers as well as — directly or indirectly — members of the entire travel and tourism sectors, from taxi drivers to airline, hotel, and restaurant employees. Sex tourism most commonly involves female prostitution, but, most disturbingly, increasingly involves the sexual exploitation of children, which is outlawed universally. Whether sex tourism among consenting adults is a “victimless crime” remains a point of contention. Excluding some “escorts” working for elite agencies and high wages, sex workers almost always suffer from poverty, marginalization, violence, disease, and sexual and substance abuse.

Sex tourism is increasing worldwide, but particularly in Latin American, especially in Central America. In part, the shift in destinations can be attributed to the crackdown in Asia by organizations such as the WTO, End Child Prostitution, Child Pornography and Trafficking of Children for Sexual Purposes (ECPAT), and the United Nations. Sex tourism—especially that involving exploitation of children—sought areas
where laws are less restrictive and government surveillance less diligent.

Brazil has long been thought of as the region’s leader in sex tourism, but recent evidence highlights emerging business in Costa Rica, Guatemala, and Honduras. Julia O’Connell Davidson, one of the most knowledgeable experts on the subject of sex tourism, cites a 1994 study estimating that more than 30,000 Americans and several thousand more Canadians had retired to Costa Rica. Many of the single men among them were described as “sex-pats,” expatriates who retired there not just for the climate, tax breaks, and other advantages but also for the “easy and cheap sexual access to their preferred sexual objects.” “What we are seeing is the dark side of tourism,” said Heimo Laakkonen, head of UNICEF in Costa Rica, where tourism is the most profitable industry in the country.

While views of sex-for-sale between consenting adults vary considerably, the arena of child sex tourism is disturbing to all. ECPAT estimates that more than one million children worldwide enter the sex trade annually, many of them from Latin American countries. The organization estimated, for example, that in 1994, 500,000 children in Brazil were involved in the sex industry, and more recently, the Colombian Ministry of Justice reported at least 25,000 child prostitutes in that country. The UN Human Rights Committee recently expressed concern over the “high incidence of commercial sexual exploitation of children in Costa Rica related to tourism". Casa Alianza, a non-profit advocacy group for street children in Mexico and Central America, estimates that some 5,000 street children in Honduras are involved in sex tourism. Similar problems exist in Paraguay, the Dominican Republic, and Venezuela.

The reasons for the growth in the child sex tourism trade in Latin America and elsewhere are numerous and often mirror those in the adult sex tourism industry. According to the Preda Foundation, prostitution among the estimated 40 million street children in Latin America has long been a consequence of the region’s poverty. A recent study of 300 street children by Nicaragua’s Family Ministry revealed that more than 80 percent of them had started working as prostitutes that year to support themselves and to buy drugs. Typically, many thousands of these children have fled abusive homes.

The increase in the child sex trade is also commonly attributed to the mistaken impression that younger sex workers are less likely to be infected with sexually transmitted diseases such as HIV or AIDS, although figures often dispute this belief.
Another possible reason for the rise in child sex tourism is that clients often feel less inhibited outside the constraints of their home countries and may be attracted by what they feel to be less restrictive social taboos in other countries. Like their adult counterparts, child sex workers are also frequently lured into the trade by advertisements for lucrative jobs, travel, and an exciting lifestyle.
One of the greatest boosts to sex tourism overall has been the availability of information on the Internet related to the sex industry. Some Web sites are accessible to the general public, while others, such as the World Sex Archives Web page, require membership and dues to access their database of photos and bulletin boards of messages from other sex tourists. Child pornography and prostitution of any kind are illegal on the Internet, and international efforts to shut down related Web sites have been reasonably successful. However,lawmakers have been unable to agree on whether and how to prohibit the advertisement of adult sex tours, especially since prostitution is legal in many countries, such as Costa Rica.

Since the 1990s, ECPAT and other members of the nongovernmental, governmental, and private sectors worldwide have been collaborating to raise awareness about sex tourism and to take steps toward eradicating child sex tourism. These groups have initiated campaigns that include the use of luggage tags, ticket pouches, and educational brochures, along with the development of courses in tourism training schools and in-flight videos. In 1997, Brazil launched a "No Child Sex Tourism" campaign, since adopted by the WTO, to curtail sex tourism and enforce laws imposing jail sentences on foreigners caught purchasing sex from children. In January 2000, Mexico enacted an amendment of the federal penal code and code procedures that declared sex tourism to be a punishable crime.


Latin American countries share with others in the international community the enormous and complex challenges posed by the growing sex tourism industry. Even if they are united in their determination to eliminate all forms of exploitation of children, countries nevertheless need to agree on more effective and expedient means of regulating the entire sex tourism industry. Sex tourism among adults remains a complex topic involving issues of privacy, consent, religious and ethical beliefs, and human rights. Only through international cooperation can the sex tourism industry be regulated successfully and millions of children be protected against exploitation.

Ann Barger Hannum, project manager and consultant, has been affiliated with Harvard for the past ten years, most recently at the Harvard AIDS Institute. The author thanks Julia M. Green, project associate for the Community Research Initiative of New England, for her collaboration with this article