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NYCe
02-10-2008, 07:28 PM
Yikes, I knew her :(

A transgendered prostitute was stabbed to death in the Bronx Saturday by a customer who was apparently surprised by the hooker's true sex, police sources said Saturday.

The victim - a 25-year-old man who dressed like a woman - was identified by sources as Talib Stewart, who often went by the feminine nicknames of Nesha or Sanesha.

Stewart was stabbed multiple times inside a Belmont apartment building about 6 a.m. Saturday, police said.

A 37-year-old man was later arrested inside the second-floor apartment, police said.

Though the suspect's identity was not immediately released, the sources said he was the prostitute's john who became enraged when he learned his partner was not a woman.

Stewart, more than 6 feet tall, was known to wear stylish, provocative outfits with towering high heels, neighbors said.

Stewart also apparently had undergone surgery to give him larger breasts and other female characteristics, neighbors said.

"She looked like a girl but when she turned around, you knew it was a man," a 17-year-old neighbor said. "She had a big jaw and an Adam's apple."

Neighbors said Stewart was a friendly and flirty presence on the block and was rarely hassled for his appearance.

"She's always been Nesha to me," said a friend who just gave her first name, Janelle. "She's funny and outgoing."

"It's a shock - nobody should do something like that," said another neighbor who asked not to be identified. "She never had any problems here."

Stewart's relatives visited the crime scene Saturday afternoon and angrily declined comment. Neighbors said they didn't know if Stewart was turning tricks but they had noticed frequent male visitors to her home.

The suspect remained in police custody last night as the Bronx district attorney was determining which charges to file, officials said.

Arc-Angel
02-10-2008, 07:52 PM
My thoughts and prayers go out to her family and friends .

whatsupwithat
02-10-2008, 08:12 PM
i am truly heartbroken by this. it so highlights the dangers of prostitution for trans women...and for all women. my heart and condolences go out to her family and friends.

on a side note...this article brings up so many more issues, one of them being media representation of trans women. but that's for another day, not today.

peggygee
02-10-2008, 08:19 PM
First and foremost, condolences to her family and friends,
and may she rest in peace.

Secondly, as you may imagine I take great umbrage at
this transwomen being designated as a 'he or him', by the
papers coverage.

I get the sense it was the New York Post as they tend to be
insensitive to gender issues.

However in all fairness, I do get the sense that the suspect
may have indeed known the true gender of the victim.

And what may actualy have transpired is that there was an
altercation related to a possible business transaction.

The facts hopefully will come out at trial.

rick_932
02-10-2008, 09:30 PM
However in all fairness, I do get the sense that the suspect
may have indeed known the true gender of the victim.

And what may actualy have transpired is that there was an
altercation related to a possible business transaction.

The facts hopefully will come out at trial.

i was kinda thinking the same thing, but will wait until all the facts come out. i didn't like how the article referred to her as a male but at least her friend and neighbors referred to her as a female.

flabbybody
02-10-2008, 09:46 PM
Too often, the victim in these kind of cases is put on trial for "deceiving" her lover. The DA needs to make a statement by going for the most serious charge. This is a hate induced crime of the worst kind.

Nowhere
02-10-2008, 09:47 PM
However in all fairness, I do get the sense that the suspect
may have indeed known the true gender of the victim.

And what may actualy have transpired is that there was an
altercation related to a possible business transaction.

The facts hopefully will come out at trial.

i was kinda thinking the same thing, but will wait until all the facts come out. i didn't like how the article referred to her as a male but at least her friend and neighbors referred to her as a female.

I disagree.

I believe there is a small subset of guys who are into tgirls who are literally, insane, and once they seek out the girls and have sex with them, have some internal conflict of "oh my god! i'm not gay!" and then beat the girls to a pulp (or kill them, in this case) to wipe that thought from their minds.

It's WAY too common for it to be a coincidence.

I think the whole 'surprise' thing, while does happen, is less common than people think and more of either (a) a role people play or (b) in this case, an excuse made for their clearly malicious actions.

My heart goes out to her family.

And, the media needs to get their ass reamed. Every time they call a tgirl a "man with breasts", it the same as if they called a gay man "this faggot who was beat up." Where's the lawyers who should be screaming at the newspapers?

GroobySteven
02-10-2008, 09:52 PM
Fuck, I'm 99% it's one of ours.
Just checked out ID/2257 database.

Will post as soon as I know.

trish
02-10-2008, 10:40 PM
i'm so sorry for the victim's family. this sort of incident just scares the shit out of me.

JelenaCD
02-10-2008, 11:02 PM
it's dangerous to be a prostitute no less a transsexual prostitute and in no less bronx ! in reality i was just a matter of time before trouble brewed , it's the nature of the trade ! you have to be careful out there , that's why many well established ladies only see regulars , i don't blame them !

thx1138
02-10-2008, 11:41 PM
I suspect inbreeding played a role. Only a mentally challenged guy couldn't realize she was a TS after a few minutes chat. Don't ask me to elaborate.

flabbybody
02-11-2008, 01:54 AM
there's no doubt that a transgendered escort is vulnerable to violence from tricks to a much greater degree than their gg counterparts.

I know a girl in Queens who keeps a stun gun by her bed just in case someone freaks out on her. It's not the perfect solution, but maybe the girl in the Bronx would be alive had she taken this precaution.

mimiplastique
02-11-2008, 01:57 AM
First and foremost, condolences to her family and friends,
and may she rest in peace.

Secondly, as you may imagine I take great umbrage at
this transwomen being designated as a 'he or him', by the
papers coverage.

I get the sense it was the New York Post as they tend to be
insensitive to gender issues.

However in all fairness, I do get the sense that the suspect
may have indeed known the true gender of the victim.

And what may actualy have transpired is that there was an
altercation related to a possible business transaction.

The facts hopefully will come out at trial.

this is so sad :( :cry:

timxxx
02-11-2008, 01:59 AM
Too often, the victim in these kind of cases is put on trial for "deceiving" her lover. The DA needs to make a statement by going for the most serious charge. This is a hate induced crime of the worst kind.

I hope you're right & they get an enlightened jury,this guy needs to go to court & get the maximum sentence, as an example to others
who still think violence is an acceptable response to been "deceived" in cases like this.

MrsKellyPierce
02-11-2008, 02:02 AM
How sad and disgusting when they use the terms he, his, and him.

GroobySteven
02-11-2008, 03:03 AM
Ok, I can say with fair certainty, based on the fact we have a model with the same name, who is 25 and whose ID states she is from the Bronx, that this is a girl whose modelled for us many times, called Boots.

She originally contacted me from an ad we run in Transformation Magazine and we set her up for a shoot fairly fast and have worked with her a number of times since. All I can say, is that reports from Tony was that she was a great model, a nice girl, easy to work with, highly sexed and it's a great shame that her life was ended so short.

In a macabre co-incidence, I believe that we have a DVD of her coming out within the next two weeks. I'll see what we can do to direct some of the profits from that to am appropriate charity in NYC area as a tribute to her.

If anybody does have further information, admin@grooby.com or PM me here in confidence.

A great shame...

http://www.grooby.com/promo/boots1018.jpg
http://www.grooby.com/promo/boots5003.jpg

justatransgirl
02-11-2008, 03:08 AM
First of all my heart goes out to those who knew her and her family.

Second, I hope as Seanchi mentioned she wasn't a Yum girl.

Third, what paper was this - and like most homophobic newspapers they apparently have never heard of the AP Stylebook - which plainly states how to report on transgender issues, including the correct use of pronouns.

Maybe NYCe can post the link to the paper and we can all send them some commetns on their reporting.

Fourth, people in NY will have to get behind this to get it prosecuted. And I hope they fry his ass. I don't know if NY has laws preventing the homophobia defense. But I hope you folks who live in NY get behind this and don't let it get buried just because she was a whore.

Sad hugs,
TS Jamie

justatransgirl
02-11-2008, 03:11 AM
Seahchi - our posts crossed - I am SO sorry.

This is too close to home. And this happens all too often.

Sigh,
TS Jamie :-)

PS - I think your offer to donate some of her video proceeds is exemplary.

peggygee
02-11-2008, 04:07 AM
This from the New York Daily News

Transsexual slashed in Brooklyn

A transsexual man was attacked and stabbed early Tuesday in
Bushwick, Brooklyn, cops said.

Jason Santana, 29, was knifed in the torso shortly before 5 a.m. on
Bushwick Ave., officials said. He was taken to Kings County
Hospital in critical condition, police said. No arrests were made.

Michael White

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/01/30/2008-01-30_city_briefs.html

Nowhere
02-11-2008, 04:09 AM
So, he was a FTM, then?

I'm still confused if they're just being ignorant or it actually is the correct terminology.

Legend
02-11-2008, 04:35 AM
No one deserves that but she know the consequences of doing shit like that.Too many girls are shot,stabbed or even killed for doing the exact thing.It's a shame nothing will come out of this because he will use that gay panick defense.

thx1138
02-11-2008, 06:52 AM
Newsradio 1010 WINS identified the 37-year-old murder suspect as Steve McMillian of Yonkers.

flabbybody
02-11-2008, 03:55 PM
Newsradio 1010 WINS identified the 37-year-old murder suspect as Steve McMillian of Yonkers.



http://www.1010wins.com/pages/269852.php

Can everyone take a few minutes out of their day and go to their site to inform 1010 that you will be boycotting their advertisers until they change the referrence to the victim from "tranny hooker" to transgendered woman. They won't do it, but hopefully it will annoy them if they get enough emails.

NYCe
02-11-2008, 03:58 PM
Slain transgendered neighbor 'a friend of whole building,' Bronx man says

BY BARRY PADDOCK, JESS WISLOSKI, and TINA MOORE
DAILY NEWS WRITERS

Monday, February 11th 2008, 4:00 AM
Talib (Sanesha) Stewart, a 6-foot transsexual, was found stabbed in Bronx building (inset) - allegedly by an ex-con who flew into a rage after finding out Stewart was not a woman.

Talib (Sanesha) Stewart, a 6-foot transsexual, was found stabbed in Bronx building (inset) - allegedly by an ex-con who flew into a rage after finding out Stewart was not a woman.

Talib (Sanesha) Stewart was not your everyday sight in the Bronx - a 6-foot man in high heels and lipstick - but was accepted as family by those around the victim, loved ones said Sunday.

So they were shocked to learn that their 25-year-old transgendered neighbor was stabbed to death Saturday by an ex-con who told cops he flew into a rage when he found out his date was not a woman.

"Nesha was a friend of the whole building - a really nice person who didn't deserve that," downstairs neighbor Steven Bamberg, 45, said. "I called him 'her' out of respect."

Police responded to a dispute on Beaumont Ave. about 6 a.m. and found Stewart stabbed several times.

They arrested Steve McMillan, 37, who was still inside Stewart's apartment. He was waiting to be arraigned on a murder charge last night. Police sources said McMillan was a john who flew into a rage after discovering Stewart, a prostitute, was not a woman.

Bamberg, however, denied Stewart was a prostitute.

The statuesque Stewart had breast implants and other plastic surgery to look more like a woman, neighbors said.

McMillan was released from prison in November after serving eight years on a Westchester County drug conviction, state prison records show.

Bamberg said he heard his friend in distress about 5 a.m. and phoned 911.

"It was like a scream," he said. "Then I heard, 'Uhhhhhh,' softer and softer, her last breath."

When cops arrived, they knocked at Stewart's door repeatedly, Bamberg said. McMillan eventually answered, the neighbor said.

Bamberg said he saw police with guns drawn telling the suspect as they led him outside, "You know your friend upstairs is dead."

"You killed my friend!" Bamberg recalled screaming at McMillan before collapsing onto the curb and crying.

Stewart was well-loved since moving into the building three years ago, Bamberg said.

"We all accepted her," he said.

Bamberg said McMillan was at the house hours before the killing, claiming to have left something in Stewart's apartment.

He said cops removed the apartment door as evidence.

"There's a big pool of blood on the floor and all over the bed," Bamberg said. "It looks like a war zone."

A spokeswoman with the medical examiner's office said the fatal blows penetrated Stewart's throat and lung.

Stewart's grandmother, Evelyn Stewart, said she loved the victim.

"I've always been close to him," she said after identifying Stewart's body yesterday. "I didn't care what he was."

McMillan was charged with attempting to sell a controlled substance in 1999, records show. He recently returned to Yonkers and was living temporarily at a shelter, a friend, who identified himself as Ramel C., said.

Ramel C., 37, said McMillan had a girlfriend. He said his life-long friend must have been shocked to discover he was with a man.

"I'm not saying that's a reason to kill anyone," he said. "But I'm sure he was in some type of turmoil or shock."

ShadowMaster
02-11-2008, 05:20 PM
My condolences to the family. I hope he gets the book. Reminds of me of what happened to Gwen in Cali. It's unnecessary.

People are so short sighted. He could've walked away.

peggygee
02-11-2008, 05:55 PM
http://www.1010wins.com/pages/269852.php

Can everyone take a few minutes out of their day and go to their site to inform 1010 that you will be boycotting their advertisers until they change the referrence to the victim from "tranny hooker" to transgendered woman.

Consider it done!

It's a tragedy when someone loses their life in such a senseless
and callous way.

Yet, even in death it appears as if courtesy and respect for the
departed are too much to ask for.

From the proceding articles, and the one below, we see the
insensitive manner in which the transgendered are spoken of.

I understand that jounalists must be impartial, objective, and report
the facts.

However I would hope that there would be some latitude for comapssion
and empathy for the victims.



Posted: Sunday, 10 February 2008 5:44PM

Report: Transgendered Prostitute Murdered by John


NEW YORK (1010 WINS) -- Police say they've made an arrest in the
stabbing death of a 25-year-old man at an apartment in the Bronx.

Police say the victim was found dead from multiple stab wounds on the
second floor of 2284 Beaumont Avenue in the Belmont section early
Saturday morning.

37-year old Steve McMillian of Yonkers was arrested and charged with
murder.

The Daily News says the victim was a transgendered prostitute and that
the suspect flew into a rage when he realized the alleged hooker was not
a woman.

The paper cites sources identifying the victim as 25-year old Talib
Stewart, who often went by the nicknames, Nesha or Sanesha.


From the New York Post

The Bronx

A Yonkers man was arrested yesterday for fatally stabbing a man
in an East Tremont apartment, police said.

Steve McMillian, 37, had argued with the 25-year-old victim in the
apartment, on Beaumont Avenue near East 183rd Street, at 5:45 a.m.

peggygee
02-11-2008, 06:18 PM
Newsradio 1010 WINS identified the 37-year-old murder suspect as Steve McMillian of Yonkers.



http://www.1010wins.com/pages/269852.php

Can everyone take a few minutes out of their day and go to their site to inform 1010 that you will be boycotting their advertisers until they change the referrence to the victim from "tranny hooker" to transgendered woman. They won't do it, but hopefully it will annoy them if they get enough emails.

Here's the contact info:

http://www.1010wins.com/pages/2532.php

This is in response to Tranny Hooker Murdered by Shocked John /1628391

whatsupwithat
02-11-2008, 06:20 PM
Newsradio 1010 WINS identified the 37-year-old murder suspect as Steve McMillian of Yonkers.



http://www.1010wins.com/pages/269852.php

Can everyone take a few minutes out of their day and go to their site to inform 1010 that you will be boycotting their advertisers until they change the referrence to the victim from "tranny hooker" to transgendered woman. They won't do it, but hopefully it will annoy them if they get enough emails.

Here's the contact info:

http://www.1010wins.com/pages/2532.php

This is in response to Tranny Hooker Murdered by Shocked John /1628391

On it.

flabbybody
02-11-2008, 07:13 PM
to 1010 WINS

TRANNY HOOKER is a highly offensive term to anyone who values human rights. The murdered person in the Bronx was a TRANSGENDERED woman who was the victim of brutal homophobic violence. Your repeated use of the pronoun 'he', rather than 'she' is also objectionable since it denies transgendered individuals the basic right to be referred to as what they perceive themselves as. A boycott of your sponsors by the community of gays, lesbians, transgendereds, and their supporters could gain traction very quickly, should you remain unresponsive.

Can you show some respect to the deceased and make some simple changes to the way you report this tragic story?
thank you.

AsiaMei
02-11-2008, 07:18 PM
omg! that is so sad; i hate to hear stuff like this.
my heart goes out to her family! =[

peggygee
02-11-2008, 07:28 PM
to 1010 WINS

TRANNY HOOKER is a highly offensive term to anyone who values human rights. The murdered person in the Bronx was a TRANSGENDERED woman who was the victim of brutal homophobic violence. Your repeated use of the pronoun 'he', rather than 'she' is also objectionable since it denies transgendered individuals the basic right to be referred to as what they perceive themselves as. A boycott of your sponsors by the community of gays, lesbians, transgendereds, and their supporters could gain traction very quickly, should you remain unresponsive.

Can you show some respect to the deceased and make some simple changes to the way you report this tragic story?
thank you.

FB, great letter, and really good of you to make everyone
aware of the 1010 WINS article.

One thought though, perhaps you might change 'homophobic'
to 'transphobic' as there is a difference. albeit semantical to
some.

But great work.

8)

peggygee
02-11-2008, 08:31 PM
So, he was a FTM, then?

I'm still confused if they're just being ignorant or it actually is the correct terminology.

Yeah that is somewhat sloppy journalism.

But bottom line it's rough out there being a young
transperson.

I'm so glad that God has blessed and allowed me to
be the middle-aged broad that I am.

One day at a time.

FiremanforTS
02-11-2008, 08:57 PM
Terrible. Peoples hate should never be so powerful.

JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel
02-11-2008, 09:10 PM
McMillan was released from prison in November after serving eight years on a Westchester County drug conviction, state prison records show.

"I'm not saying that's a reason to kill anyone," he said. "But I'm sure he was in some type of turmoil or shock."

Ummmmmmmmmmmm

I don't know if it's been said already.
Haven't really read every reply.....................
BUT
Let's look at this logically for a minute.
Dude was in a Westchester County prison for 8 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND his defense is that he didn't know that she was a transgendered woman?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??????

Does anyone else see the fucking problem with this shit?!?

Of course he fuckin knew she was a M2F, cmon people. This guy was in prison for 8 fucking years. Having females who visit relatives upstate in NY prisons who come back and tell me some of the stories about what goes on after their visit with the prison trannies and the homo's right behind the door waiting to suck a dick I'm tripping out over here as the media printing this shit so that some lawyer can help him use it as a defense in court!!!!!!!!!

Nuff Said
JWBL™

thx1138
02-11-2008, 09:22 PM
Sounds like robbery to me. Or perhaps he was looking for drugs, didn't find any and flew into a rage. People strung out on shit usually do.

flabbybody
02-11-2008, 09:28 PM
of course it's laughable, but his defense in court will be that the girl duped him.

my worst case scenario: an over-worked, under staffed DA will let him cop to involuntary man. with good time the prick will be out in 18 months.
just hope he enjoys general pop.

Hostile
02-11-2008, 10:22 PM
I think the real FUCKED UP part is that the DA hasn't figured out what charges yet. HOW ABOUT 2ND DEGREE MURDER! Fucking assholes. Rest in Peace.

And of course this guy know she was a TS, unfortunatly a lot of girls try to rob a trick and she may have pulled that stunt and pissed him off. Thats no excuse to kill her but it does happen all the time.

thx1138
02-11-2008, 10:36 PM
@ hostile: now THAT is a GREAT avatar. Scares the shit out of me.

thx1138
02-11-2008, 10:37 PM
I just checked the 1010 wins site: no apology or clarification that I can see. So whose products am I supposed to boycott?

Hostile
02-11-2008, 10:45 PM
LOL, thanks, I was having a BAD hair day in that Photo.

thx1138
02-11-2008, 11:08 PM
@hostile: LOL

a994
02-11-2008, 11:18 PM
Condolences, thoughts, and prayers go out for each of her loved ones.

ShadowMaster
02-12-2008, 12:09 AM
of course it's laughable, but his defense in court will be that the girl duped him.

my worst case scenario: an over-worked, under staffed DA will let him cop to involuntary man. with good time the prick will be out in 18 months.
just hope he enjoys general pop.

NO WAY IN HELL is this guy getting involuntary manslaughter. IM is you weren't paying attention while driving and hit someone in a crosswalk. Manslaughter is you got into a fist fight and the other person dies. You weren't intending to kill them but it was a forseeable potential outcome. The moment he introduced the knife/weapon he escalated to second degree murder. You intended to kill the person but it was more opportunity/situationally motivated. Like a bank robber who comes out shooting at the police or someone impeding his escape. All they have to do is show the murder scene and his goose is cooked. I hope he's likes his prison pals because that's all the sexual affection he's going to be getting for the remainder of his putrid existence.

slinky
02-12-2008, 11:02 AM
I do not want to belittle in any way the tragedy here, but I do think people are giving short shrift to the issue of TG's not telling guys and sometimes ending up with serious consequences. In this case, I do agree with JWBL that given the particular people involved here, it is more than highly unlikely, but who knows what the exact circumstances were: I know more than a few girls who advertise on CL using GG pics; who's to say if he knew before showing up at her apartment and "found out" after taking one look at her. (again, I agree there's probably a totally different real truth than what's being put forward).

I guess what I'm saying is that there may be more than one thing to take away from this, one of them being that there can be serious repercussions of getting over/passing too well, and not disclosing.

slinky
02-12-2008, 11:17 AM
NO WAY IN HELL is this guy getting involuntary manslaughter. IM is you weren't paying attention while driving and hit someone in a crosswalk. Manslaughter is you got into a fist fight and the other person dies. You weren't intending to kill them but it was a forseeable potential outcome. The moment he introduced the knife/weapon he escalated to second degree murder. You intended to kill the person but it was more opportunity/situationally motivated. Like a bank robber who comes out shooting at the police or someone impeding his escape. All they have to do is show the murder scene and his goose is cooked. I hope he's likes his prison pals because that's all the sexual affection he's going to be getting for the remainder of his putrid existence.

Just to play Devil's advocate: and what if the defense says he took a look at her, said "you're a man, I'm outta here", she demanded money, a fight broke out. She pulled the knife and he took it away from her and then stabbed her with it? Who's going to dispute it? (unless they have proof it was his knife).

Again, I'm not belittling the tragedy here; but we haven't heard the last of this story. Also, this girl (who I've met), and the crowd she hung with are/were definitely rough trade, and life in the jungle is difficult.

thx1138
02-12-2008, 11:17 AM
his 8 year stint sounds like either armed robbery or assault with a deadly weapon. a very bad choice for a client. maybe the gurls should start doing background checks on their prospective clients.

MrsKellyPierce
02-12-2008, 12:12 PM
Are there any recent photos of Sanesha, at least remember her in the beauty she reached. Since the papers like to take everything she worked so hard for away by degrading her even more as a he, him, and his.

thx1138
02-12-2008, 12:16 PM
@Kelly: there is a nice photo of her at tgirltalk. The thread is still open. Yes, clearly there are way too many pronouns in the english language. I suggest only one pronoun to cover everyone.

slinky
02-12-2008, 09:38 PM
I suggest only one pronoun to cover everyone.

I nominate "miss thing".

GroobySteven
02-12-2008, 09:57 PM
Are there any recent photos of Sanesha, at least remember her in the beauty she reached. Since the papers like to take everything she worked so hard for away by degrading her even more as a he, him, and his.

Second page of this forum - these are from late 2007-ish

http://www.grooby.com/promo/boots1018.jpg
http://www.grooby.com/promo/boots5003.jpg

AsiaMei
02-13-2008, 07:21 AM
got this off another board ...

Heres something that you should also know that has not been posted. This article was also printed in the Daily News.

ex-con who stabbed transgendered prostitute knew she was a he
By TINA MOORE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Tuesday, February 12th 2008, 4:00 AM

The ex-con who stabbed a Bronx prostitute to death had known the transgendered victim for months, police sources said Monday, casting into doubt the alleged killer's claim that he never knew she was biologically a he.

Steve McMillan, 37, was arraigned Monday on murder and weapons charges and remanded to jail without bail for killing Talib Stewart, 25, who went by the name Sanesha.

"According to our information, he had known the victim for a long time," the source said. "They had been seen together."

After the Saturday morning slaying in the victim's Beaumont Ave. apartment in East Tremont, McMillan told cops he flew into a rage when he learned Stewart's gender. But two sources said Monday that the two had known each other since McMillan got out of state prison in 2007 after serving eight years on a Westchester County drug conviction.

Prosecutors allege McMillan stabbed Stewart in the neck and chest. There were also defensive wounds on Stewart's hands, a police source said.

The source said the statuesque Stewart had been arrested for prostitution four or five times.

Neighbors placed candles in front of the building in the victim's memory Monday

dan_drade
02-13-2008, 09:20 AM
This guy needs to be locked up for the rest of his life. Everyone knows god damn well he knew what he was getting into with this girl. His defense that he did not know is a bunch of bullshit. He knew she was a t-girl and he had no problem having sex with her until he dumped his load. Then he felt guilty as all hell and freaked out and killed her. Sounds like second degree murder to me. That's just my humble opinion, but I'll bet my last dollar that's what really happened.

Shining Star
02-14-2008, 06:54 AM
Very sad, but sadly not a rare occurance. At least this poor girl was found in her own home, thus making an ID was easy so her friends and family will have some peace. Also LE found the person and now the legal system will have to grind it's wheels.

As for the accused going down for murder, highly doubt it. As most anyone who knows anything about the criminal justice/court system in NYS can tell you, most all crimes are pleaded down one or two levels, and indeed criminals are always over and under charged. Proving murder and getting a jury to convict, even when DAs present a strong case. Heck, just a few months ago a man in LI got manslaughter for killing his next door neighboor and her head was found in the trunk of his car.

Jury trails are long and very expensive, which is the reason so many accused are offered plea deals in the first place. One must also consider the family of the victim. Sadly her entire life will be held out in court for the world to see. Not just being a trannie, but her criminal record (if any), lifestyle, the entire 99 yards. While this shouldn't make any difference most of us would think, sadly not everyone shares that view, and a potential jury pool might contain enough persons who feel trannies, gays, and or "working" persons, get what they deserve.

Can you imagine the girl's family and friends having to wait months for a trail, then sit through a long trial where the victum's life is smeared all over the place, then have the jury come back with not guilty verdicts to the most serious charges, and or worse; all of them?

News Media Reporting of Transgender Issues:

Initial media reports on crime scenes come from information provided by LE either on the scene or through the NYPD's press office. The NYPD has never been known to have much love for gays, trannies, or prossies for that matter. If a person is found dead, they will go with what biology they see, and or information gathered at the scene or elsewhere. In this case, because of the girl's previous LE contact, they may have her address (if her priors were busts out of the same location), and "knew" who she was. When pre-ops are taken into NYPD custody, they are labeled as "men" but indications are made regarding transgender. The later is more to prevent lawsuits and move the girl into protective custody, but she will still be in the male section of jail.

As for the media in general, some tend to be more sensitive than others. While most will not report a trans-woman or trans-male as simply "male" or "female", the best will simply say "transgendered female/male". Again if a person is totally passing and has ID in their new gender, then unless someone "outs" them or in the case of say a murder or death where the medical examiner's office is called in, sleeping dogs will lie, so to speak.

Sadly more women and girls are killed by men they know than total strangers. Sadder still women are being snatched off the streets and from their beds, never to be heard from again, or found dead.

Thing about indoor sex workers, and or those who pick up dates on the Internet or even in bars, there is a feeling amoung some in society that what happens to them is their own fault. Indeed many victums feel this way and this clouds their view about reporting crime against them. Many trannies who are working are victums of crimes ranging from physical abuse to robbery and most do not report. True LE has not been known to be the most kind towards such persons when they report crimes against them, but that is their job.

Think those who are working are leery of bringing too much attention to themselves, hence do not report crimes agianst them. Just the standard query line from LE is enough to shake some person's boots: The first questions are going to be did the victum know the person. How did they gain access, and so on. Best advice is the one we are given as children: do not go anywhere with strangers, nor allow them into your home.

Men "Freaking" Out:

Sadly that happens all to often as well, and as usual it is the "woman" who lead the man to "stray" or do something he didn't want to do.

Am willing to bet most of us girls have been there in one form or another. One meets a guy, even a very hot looking guy, and things go on from there. Sex could be that day or even weeks later, and by all accounts the man in really into things and you, only afterwards things begin to change. If one is lucky things stop at the "does this make me gay", questioning, and one can get the dude out the door. Other times things start to get really strange, and one starts getting really bad vibes. Hopefully again one can steer the guy to the door/get out before things start getting ugly.

What is really weird about those sort of situations, is they normally involve men one really wasn't trying to bother with. You know, they either sweated you at a club, or chatted you up on the street, and quite honestly you almost passed them up (see, instinct was telling you something), but they would keep on pestering you, so you let your guard down.

SS

xxMelania4uxx
02-15-2008, 12:09 AM
:cry: :cry:



I knew Neisha Personally.... She Lived Down the block me when i lived in Little Italy... She was such a Sweet n Lovely person... i found this out on Sunday on my way back from a friends house... she was a Bronx Tgirl Mostly.... Actually i really dont have Much words b/c im still in Shock... This lady was my HomeGirl... My Pplz...She Help me in the Beginin of my Transition n my Name change.... I think its horrible how the first Article the Daily News wrote on her.... regardless of wat she was a person n a sweet person... i believe he knew her situation b/c as said in other post in this topic he was in Jail for 8yrs n any1 that was in jail knows wat a tranny looks like sounds like n etc.... when i spoke 2 her neighbor n he explained the noises that he heard.... from wat he thinks they had a problem he tried 2 control the situation with over powerin her but 1 thing neisha was some1 who held hers down n gave him the 1-2-3 ( Meanin she kicked his ass alittle) n he stabbed her....

Neisha is/was a Beautiful Person n she will 4ever hold a spot in many peoples lives n hearts!

R.I.P Neish Luv u!

q1a2z3
02-17-2008, 06:53 AM
Some hobbies are more hazardous than others... but it doesn't give a loser a reason to kill someone. He could have just gone home and curled up in the fetal position for a few weeks and drank some brews and just tell himself he will do a better inspection next time. Unless the Bronx will demand labeling on hookers in the future.
Really sad...

slinky
02-17-2008, 07:08 AM
the more I hear about this, it sounds like it has little to do with transsexualism or prostitution: it sounds like a nasty fight between 2 people that probably had nothing to do with either of those subjects, and he just used the first excuse he could come up with when 5-0 collared him. Maybe he was trying to rip her off and she wasn't having that.

jniowa
02-17-2008, 11:20 AM
I'm very sorry to hear about her death. That is a terrible tragedy and my thoughts and prayers go out to her family. I hope the criminal is locked away for the rest of his life. Also I can't help but feel angry towards the media for her portrayal. I understand that not everyone knows or can differentiate between CD/TS/TG and other gender identities. But in a situation like this, in the biggest city in the US they should know the difference. It is un-excusable in my mind.

BADAZZBODY
02-17-2008, 01:17 PM
opps again

BADAZZBODY
02-17-2008, 01:19 PM
opps

BADAZZBODY
02-17-2008, 01:20 PM
fyi for girls thats escorting its good to have a verizon telephone where u can get first and last name of person who is calling usally ask their sign so ill know around about what month they was born and how old..that way i can do a background check of who is coming to see me..these are simple ways to protect your self from guys that are really ,,,,we need to protect our selves from guys like this no matter where or how u meet them..this is y business do background checks and we should to i do it...to guys that come see me for security ..its various sites out their for each state where u can do a look up for a person u are meeting or getting to know..its very important..

my heart goes out to her family what a tragady





http://nysdocslookup.docs.state.ny.us/GCA00P00/WIQ2/WINQ120

Identifying and Location Information
As of 02/17/08 DIN (Department Identification Number) 99R3610
Inmate Name MCMILLAN, STEVE
Sex MALE
Date of Birth 09/05/1970
Race / Ethnicity BLACK
Custody Status DISCHARGED
Housing Releasing Facility DOWNSTATE
Date Received (Original) 06/17/1999
Date Received (Current) 10/25/2007
Admission Type
County of Commitment WESTCHESTER
Latest Release Date / Type (Released Inmates Only) 11/16/07 DISCH - MAXIMUM EXPIRATION
Aggregate Minimum Sentence 003 Years, 06 Months, 00 Days
Aggregate Maximum Sentence 007 Years, 00 Months, 00 Days
Earliest Release Date
Earliest Release Type
Parole Hearing Date
Parole Hearing Type FULL MAXIMUM
Parole Eligibility Date 02/23/2002
Conditional Release Date NONE
Maximum Expiration Date 11/16/2007
Maximum Expiration Date for Parole Supervision
Post Release Supervision Maximum Expiration Date
Parole Board Discharge Date

thx1138
02-17-2008, 02:57 PM
what about psychos with no priors?

d
02-19-2008, 07:55 PM
rip

long6inch
02-22-2008, 07:11 AM
However in all fairness, I do get the sense that the suspect
may have indeed known the true gender of the victim.

And what may actualy have transpired is that there was an
altercation related to a possible business transaction.

The facts hopefully will come out at trial.

i was kinda thinking the same thing, but will wait until all the facts come out. i didn't like how the article referred to her as a male but at least her friend and neighbors referred to her as a female.

tgirlzoe
02-22-2008, 08:14 PM
It scares me that after all the shit I've gone through in my life, that after I'm dead, they're just going to report me as a "crossdressing man" or some other sensational crap. With titillating details on how mannish I am physically. Ugh. I hate people.

*hugs* and prayers for all.

drmindbender03
02-22-2008, 08:29 PM
My heart goes out to the family, but I am not shocked. When you are living in the fast lane of life, you must understand that consequences will come with your actions. Most of them will be bad rather than good.

Safety is a double edged sword when it comes to the escort world. It is dangerous for the johns who want to remain anonymous and avoid being a victim of theft and robbery. It is dangerous for the escort girls who may be physically harmed by a john.

Play at your own risk!

Jay Jay
04-14-2008, 01:03 AM
It is just part of the general homophobia that someone would assume that this guy did not know who she was. First of this is New York City where you will see see TG individuals out at several places. He also spent a while in jail and many in that population are well versed on transexuals. But reguardless of that no matter what you can just walk away. Most times where it is in question I have had TS women ask me if I know what they are. If you get fooled and your dick is hard you just have to make a decision. There is no excuse for killing someone like that.

Alyssa87
04-14-2008, 01:12 AM
Mami,you have the soul of a woman, now it can live on without being imprisoned inside a genetic-male's body.
I'm so sorry that this newsreport negated what you worked so hard in life to achieve.
May you help your sisters still in the struggle!

TSLoverUK999
04-14-2008, 04:52 PM
I missed this, its so tragic ! She was beautiful girl !

2754tim
04-14-2008, 05:03 PM
Awful...terrible....RIP

SarahG
04-15-2008, 04:02 AM
I disagree.

I believe there is a small subset of guys who are into tgirls who are literally, insane, and once they seek out the girls and have sex with them, have some internal conflict of "oh my god! i'm not gay!" and then beat the girls to a pulp (or kill them, in this case) to wipe that thought from their minds.

It's WAY too common for it to be a coincidence.

It is really common for parents in India and China to murder their babies if the mother gives birth to a girl. Does that mean, since it is common, that they're all just crazy too?

Accountability has to come along somewhere.

El Nino
04-15-2008, 05:30 AM
It goes with the territory!

blackrob
04-27-2008, 03:56 PM
this is sad.

GroobySteven
04-27-2008, 11:10 PM
It goes with the territory!

To be murdered? That's an ignorant and stupid fucking post.

doradora
04-27-2008, 11:35 PM
RIP Sanesha :cry:

nausicaa
04-27-2008, 11:46 PM
This is very upsetting. Rest in peace.

El Nino
07-24-2008, 04:22 AM
It goes with the territory!

To be murdered? That's an ignorant and stupid fucking post.

No it isn't. It's a pragmatic and honest post. Who are you kidding?
In terms of demographics and statistics, it certainly does go with the territory. There are much safer occupations that offer vast amounts more security, safety and PRIVACY. Like a baker for instance.

Shamilah
07-24-2008, 04:41 AM
So sad,I'm at a loss for words,rest in peace.

flabbybody
07-24-2008, 04:52 AM
It goes with the territory!

To be murdered? That's an ignorant and stupid fucking post.

No it isn't. It's a pragmatic and honest post. Who are you kidding?
In terms of demographics and statistics, it certainly does go with the territory. There are much safer occupations that offer vast amounts more security, safety and PRIVACY. Like a baker for instance.

your comment conveys a lack of outrage for a murder of a person who's life was brutally ended because of her gender status and your defense of your original post just makes it worse

so just STFU

Solitary Brother
07-24-2008, 05:36 AM
This is really sad.
This lady was just trying to make her way through life the best way she could.

lisaparadise
07-24-2008, 05:39 AM
Ok, I can say with fair certainty, based on the fact we have a model with the same name, who is 25 and whose ID states she is from the Bronx, that this is a girl whose modelled for us many times, called Boots.

She originally contacted me from an ad we run in Transformation Magazine and we set her up for a shoot fairly fast and have worked with her a number of times since. All I can say, is that reports from Tony was that she was a great model, a nice girl, easy to work with, highly sexed and it's a great shame that her life was ended so short.

In a macabre co-incidence, I believe that we have a DVD of her coming out within the next two weeks. I'll see what we can do to direct some of the profits from that to am appropriate charity in NYC area as a tribute to her.

If anybody does have further information, admin@grooby.com or PM me here in confidence.

A great shame...

http://www.grooby.com/promo/boots1018.jpg
http://www.grooby.com/promo/boots5003.jpgmy god shes so beautifull god rest her soul

lisaparadise
07-24-2008, 05:42 AM
It goes with the territory!you fuckin piece of shit this is my sister in gods hands get a fuckin grip asshole

Wino the SuperHero
07-24-2008, 09:28 PM
I don't think El Nino was trying to down play her death. Certain occupations have certain risks. When you open that door you never know what you might get. If you work a 9-5 there a far few risks.
for example.
Waitress- risks include sore feet, back, dealing with hungry assholes, spilling a drink, getting burned, little or no tip.
Drug Dealer- risks include getting robbed, shot and or shot at, targeted by police, killed, family killed, life in prison.
Those are the risks that i have to except if i want to be a dealer.
I am sure she knew the risks of her line of work. Don't get me wrong. I am in no way shape or form trying to justify her death. It's no way to justify taking an innocent persons life.

Truly it is always sad when a person loses his or her life.
There is no exception, regardless of their occupation.
Boots will be missed by her friends, family and admirers.

flabbybody
07-24-2008, 10:38 PM
a soldier knows the risk of serving in Iraq
So when you hear about service men and women killed there every week, do you think 'it goes with the territory'?

would you say that to a member of their family as a way of consoling them?

flabbybody
07-24-2008, 10:41 PM
It goes with the territory!you fuckin piece of shit this is my sister in gods hands get a fuckin grip asshole

Lisa said it much better than me

BeardedOne
07-25-2008, 12:33 AM
I knew a bus driver that was shot to death over a transfer dispute.

How's that for 'territory'?

:soapbox

tsarielablue
07-25-2008, 02:00 AM
:cry: my condolences to the family and those who knew her..

El Nino
07-25-2008, 03:38 AM
It is truly abhorrent and awful that Boots ended up murdered. I never doubted that for a second. Yall totally misread the message that I was trying to convey. For fucks sake, you always hear about serial killers and stuff preying on prostitutes. This can not be argued. I made an objective statement that still rings true. Sorry if the truth is painful, but it can not be avoided. Murders can occur under any circumstance of course, but being an inner city Ghetto transsexual prostitute is akin to engaging a mild game of Russian Roulette. That's all I meant. Denial is not a river in Egypt.

bat1
07-25-2008, 04:25 AM
got this from a friend...

Talib (Sanesha) Stewart was not your everyday sight in the Bronx - a 6-foot man in high heels and lipstick - but was accepted as family by those around the victim, loved ones said Sunday.

So they were shocked to learn that their 25-year-old transgendered neighbor was stabbed to death Saturday by an ex-con who told cops he flew into a rage when he found out his date was not a woman.

"Nesha was a friend of the whole building - a really nice person who didn't deserve that," downstairs neighbor Steven Bamberg, 45, said. "I called him 'her' out of respect."

Police responded to a dispute on Beaumont Ave. about 6 a.m. and found Stewart stabbed several times.

They arrested Steve McMillan, 37, who was still inside Stewart's apartment. He was waiting to be arraigned on a murder charge last night. Police sources said McMillan was a john who flew into a rage after discovering Stewart, a prostitute, was not a woman.

Bamberg, however, denied Stewart was a prostitute.

The statuesque Stewart had breast implants and other plastic surgery to look more like a woman, neighbors said.

McMillan was released from prison in November after serving eight years on a Westchester County drug conviction, state prison records show.

Bamberg said he heard his friend in distress about 5 a.m. and phoned 911.

"It was like a scream," he said. "Then I heard, 'Uhhhhhh,' softer and softer, her last breath."

When cops arrived, they knocked at Stewart's door repeatedly, Bamberg said. McMillan eventually answered, the neighbor said.

Bamberg said he saw police with guns drawn telling the suspect as they led him outside, "You know your friend upstairs is dead."

"You killed my friend!" Bamberg recalled screaming at McMillan before collapsing onto the curb and crying.

Stewart was well-loved since moving into the building three years ago, Bamberg said.

"We all accepted her," he said.

Bamberg said McMillan was at the house hours before the killing, claiming to have left something in Stewart's apartment.

He said cops removed the apartment door as evidence.

"There's a big pool of blood on the floor and all over the bed," Bamberg said. "It looks like a war zone."

A spokeswoman with the medical examiner's office said the fatal blows penetrated Stewart's throat and lung.

Stewart's grandmother, Evelyn Stewart, said she loved the victim.

"I've always been close to him," she said after identifying Stewart's body yesterday. "I didn't care what he was."

McMillan was charged with attempting to sell a controlled substance in 1999, records show. He recently returned to Yonkers and was living temporarily at a shelter, a friend, who identified himself as Ramel C., said.

Ramel C., 37, said McMillan had a girlfriend. He said his life-long friend must have been shocked to discover he was with a man.

"I'm not saying that's a reason to kill anyone," he said. "But I'm sure he was in some type of turmoil or shock."

tmoore@nydailynews.com