The Girl I Met

[magus13]

Her's a real post of my recent experience with a girl I met at Allanah's Saturday Party. I'm not sure if I'm looking for feedback or just want to type it out because it is pretyy cool but trying to be cautious and realistic.
So I'm at the bar actually hoping this girl would show up and sure enough she did. I'm in my thirties, good looking, been with a few girls in the past so I think I come across as sincere, non threatening and a decent guy. She walks by me nad I say hi and ask her to have a drink with me. She says sure and she'll be back in a few since she was being asked to take pics. When she comes back she couldn't have been a sweeter girl. We got along well and I let her know I had seen her pics and had hoped to meet her. She offered me a dance and I told her that its not my thing. She asked me what was and I told her I wanted to be with her. She gave me a good price and we went to a hotel. I asked her if he was versatile and she said top only. I was cool with that. I asked her if she kissed. She said with me she would but not in public. We drove to the hotel and talked, held hands etc. the whole time. Told her to be my GF for the next hour. She said of course. We got a room and started making out like crazy. Lots of foreplay and she took me from behind. Kissed my back and shoulders as we watched eachother in the mirror. I sucked her as she jerked in my mouth as I jerked mysel off. We exchanged numbers talked for a while and said good night back at the club.
Now here's what got me wondering whats going on. She calls me the next day to say hi and make sure we have eachoters number. We talk a few times during the week and meet at Allanahs again this last Saturday. She does her thing as far as pics talking to friends and the asks me to sit with her. We talk and hold hands. At some point I tell her I'm dyeing to kiss her. She says why dont you. I told her I thought not in public. She says that was only before she knew me. Were making out in the back of the club like shes my gf. No talk of lap dance sex or money as I had to work very early. She introduced me to her friends as her husband and was really into her and the whole vibe. We are supposed to hit a movie this weekend and cook dinner. We speak every other day. In my mind I'm thinking is this too good to be true, are there real feelings involved, she is only 20 so is she just niave. Does she see me as a guy who paid her. If we have sex again do I offer to pay, or will I offend her or upset her if I don't. Never been in this situation Trying to let it happen and not overthink everything. That's my deal for now. Thanks for allowing me to bear my soul and putting up with this ridiculously long post.

[PatrickFromNYC]

Good Luck Pal.....One piece of advise, swallowing the cum of a prostitude is dangerous

[TomSelis]

I'm not sure this is a serious question.

Serious and short answer:
You can't be a trick and a girl's boyfriend. Since you were a trick first.....there ya go. If you wanted a gf, you shouldn't have been a trick first. The two can't mix, like oil and water, eventually they'll separate.

[melissacarter]

If we have sex again do I offer to pay, or will I offend her or upset her if I don't.

Lesson #1: Always offer to pay. We will never be insulted.

[flabbybody]

your fate was sealed once money exchanged hands.
Tom speaks wisdom

[hwbs]

it can be pulled off, but not usually for novices....good luck either way :)

[magus13]

I'm definately wary as to our first night together, so that thought is definaately in my mind. I'm not a novice so maybe there is a shot. Last night she calls and asked me to see her in a fashion show out in Queens. Had to work but felt she wanted to see me and for me to see her in a different environment other than Alannah's. Thats it for now. Thanks for your thoughts.

[NadiaUSA]

I'm not sure this is a serious question.

Serious and short answer:
You can't be a trick and a girl's boyfriend. Since you were a trick first.....there ya go. If you wanted a gf, you shouldn't have been a trick first. The two can't mix, like oil and water, eventually they'll separate.

I don't know who TomSelis is but most guys with this view are just broke ass guys. Either that or holier than thou.

All the girls get tons of email from college guys complaining that we are too expensive. Some go on to complain how unfair life is and wonder why we don't hook up for free after they send us their Joe Cool picture. They also follow with something witty like "hey whats's up, your hot" .

Its much harder to be a boyfriend if your NOT a client first. If you are just some broke ass joker or fairy tale dreamer, you wont appeal to may girls.

The guys that have a holier than thou attitude, in regards to paying, make me sick. If your so stuck on rigid religious principals or conservative society, the what are you doing sucking tranny cock.

It is more a function of the hierarchy of human needs. If you are a guy with plenty of money then you look down on the ones that are still focused on food and shelter.

The best way to meet us is to be a generous high class client that has a metropolitian world view. If you have a good connection then a free date is possible. However, if you are unsure, always offer to pay until she says stop.

Only the most young and foolish girls would think a man really gives a dam about a girl if the man lets the girl continue work in the adult business.

Some girls do have a young broke guy on the side for fun and some even have broke boyfriends but it is very very rare that that will last unless there is some money comming in from somewhere.

[Chuck]

The funny thing is that IF she is looking at you now as a boyfriend, you're going to pay a whole lot more than when you were a client. The money will just come out of your pockets differently.

[B_Neg]

look, there is only one rule, and that is that there are no rules except those that you make for yourself. don't let people tell you what you should or shouldn't do, take it into your own hands and prove 'em wrong! enjoy life, thats the whole point.

[magus13]

Thanks Nadia and Braveman. Your thoughts made my day. The money is not the issue. I'f we end up together I hope to do to nice things for her. I hope she would do nice things for me as well. I'm not rich but comfortable and most people spend money on people they care about. That being said I'm not trying to be someones "sugar daddy"

[TomSelis]

I'm not sure this is a serious question.

Serious and short answer:
You can't be a trick and a girl's boyfriend. Since you were a trick first.....there ya go. If you wanted a gf, you shouldn't have been a trick first. The two can't mix, like oil and water, eventually they'll separate.

I don't know who TomSelis is but most guys with this view are just broke ass guys. Either that or holier than thou.

All the girls get tons of email from college guys complaining that we are too expensive. Some go on to complain how unfair life is and wonder why we don't hook up for free after they send us their Joe Cool picture. They also follow with something witty like "hey whats's up, your hot" .

Its much harder to be a boyfriend if your NOT a client first. If you are just some broke ass joker or fairy tale dreamer, you wont appeal to may girls.

The guys that have a holier than thou attitude, in regards to paying, make me sick. If your so stuck on rigid religious principals or conservative society, the what are you doing sucking tranny cock.

It is more a function of the hierarchy of human needs. If you are a guy with plenty of money then you look down on the ones that are still focused on food and shelter.

The best way to meet us is to be a generous high class client that has a metropolitian world view. If you have a good connection then a free date is possible. However, if you are unsure, always offer to pay until she says stop.

Only the most young and foolish girls would think a man really gives a dam about a girl if the man lets the girl continue work in the adult business.

Some girls do have a young broke guy on the side for fun and some even have broke boyfriends but it is very very rare that that will last unless there is some money comming in from somewhere.

Lol :lol: I'm sorry I had to laugh, because you put alot into something that wasn't there. Complete and utter bullshit though, WTF are you talking about?

Trust me, I'm not knocking your hustle, though. I didn't say anything about what you do or what most guys are. So, you can unbunch your panties on that one. I'm not talking about broke guys or how expensive escorting is. You'll never find a post like that from me anywhere. I'm talking about this guy who asked a very specific question.

Which I think we can still agree on, probably won't happen for him.

Thanks for your support

-TomSelis

Who is neither broke or holier than thou, but dealing in reality.

P.S.- Instead of going off on some tangent and trying to make me look like some evil villian for being truthful, why don't you try answering dude's question honestly?

[scroller]

If that's what you want, go for it.

Seeing more hopeful things on HA this weekend than in a normal month.

[magus13]

Look. I'm definately gonna let it play out and not be influenced by possitives or negatives. If I was reading this post I would probably tell the dude, be careful and chances are not good. I put it out there and am cool with all thoughts and opinions. Since this is something that I can't really discuss with friends and family, I'm probaly writing this as a way of talking it through. No need for negative comments towards eachother. Thanks again.

[TomSelis]

Nah, man it's cool. I know you didn't have any bad intentions with your post, I didn't have any bad intentions with mine either.

I've been around long enough to know if you speak up on matters like this it almost always turns ugly. Take it for what it's worth, but remember how you start is how you end up.

Just lookin' out for YOU

-TomSelis

[hwbs]

bows to toms avatar :)

[flabbybody]

-TomSelis

Who is neither broke or holier than thou, but dealing in reality.



and who gets much ass without paying, I might ad.

[TomSelis]

Shhhh!!!!! I'm supposed to be a faceless, dickless, holier than thou trick on here!!!!!


Shhhhhhh!!!!! Shhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

lol

[Perverted Monk]

You cats crack me up :lol:

[NadiaUSA]

P.S.- Instead of going off on some tangent and trying to make me look like some evil villian for being truthful, why don't you try answering dude's question honestly?

I didnt call you a villian, I started the whole thing with saying I don't know who you are.

Anyway you gave the guy bad advice by saying, to the effect, if you start as a client you can not really date.

That sounds very holier than thou to me if you mean your too good for it. My advice is to put all the cards on the table. Don't be a prude about money.

[supertrack9999]

I do agree with Nadia on this one from experiences in the past with girls.

[TomSelis]

P.S.- Instead of going off on some tangent and trying to make me look like some evil villian for being truthful, why don't you try answering dude's question honestly?

I didnt call you a villian, I started the whole thing with saying I don't know who you are.

Anyway you gave the guy bad advice by saying, to the effect, if you start as a client you can not really date.

That sounds very holier than thou to me if you mean your too good for it. My advice is to put all the cards on the table. Don't be a prude about money.

You keep putting words in my mouth. All I said was it's a bad idea to try to mix tricking and wanting a girlfriend, which is my opinion. I didn't say it couldn't work, just not a good idea. If that's holier than thou........ *sticks finger in water*

Oh shit!

[blackdong4sale]

nice

[NRT]

Will he be happy for her to continue working, if it becomes a bf relationship? Most guys in under normal circumstances wouldnt be happy. If she had deep feelings for him, wouldnt she consider giving it up out of love or respect for him? Or is this profession different? It would bound to cause problems if she continues to work.

Also the point was made that it would be best to meet a t girl (or I would presume it would apply to any escort) if you are loaded with cash. Are the girls in this scene and or profession so fickle and just gold diggers on the make? Is that a slur or what? If it's true I feel sorry for that guy or anyone seeking a relationship with a t girl

[yodajazz]

The funny thing is that IF she is looking at you now as a boyfriend, you're going to pay a whole lot more than when you were a client. The money will just come out of your pockets differently.

I am not an expert on client relationships, but I am an expert on maintaining a relationhip. Chuck speaks the truth. If you don't give her money as a client, then Valentines Day is upon us (Thursday). Surprise her and give her a gift earlier. It will be worth your while, as they say.
But if you don't give her a gift then she'll either make you feel guilty about and you'll be playing catch up or worse she won't say anything but silently vow to make you pay.

I look wistfully at these provider client relationships when I look at the reality of buying a $100,000 home for once a year sex.

[OEMEnemyNum1]

I know lots of girl just go in for the guys with money, but if she just see's you as money I see no problem just seeing her as ass.

I think if you gotta pay for it, it's not going to be her opinion of you that matters. What do you really think of her????? If she wants to become your GF are you going to still view her as that girl you paid to cum in your mouth?

[cheez]

come on...really. How do you possibly keep a relationship with a girl you had to pay to start up with?
You do realize all she is just one fatter wallet away from leaving you?
I'm not targeting t-girls specifically--I mean anyone who starts a relationship looking for renumeration is generally of that mindset and it ain't gonna change.
You really think if this girl gets a good sugar daddy you're not gonna drop to #2 on the speed dial?
God bless if it works, but don't be surprised if it doesn't.

[NadiaUSA]

come on...really. How do you possibly keep a relationship with a girl you had to pay to start up with?
You do realize all she is just one fatter wallet away from leaving you?
I'm not targeting t-girls specifically--I mean anyone who starts a relationship looking for renumeration is generally of that mindset and it ain't gonna change.
You really think if this girl gets a good sugar daddy you're not gonna drop to #2 on the speed dial?
God bless if it works, but don't be surprised if it doesn't.

Yes, anyone can drop to number 2 in an open relationship. If your not married that the uncertainty of it. Until she makes a commintment, she is dating and looking for a handome suitor and a good provider. If someone says they are outright not going to provide, for whatever reason, they can expect to be viewed accordingly.

It's so silly that men feel money contaminiates things. Who made up this rule? If your assets weren't in money would you hide what benifits you had to offer? Would you put a bag over your head if you were handsome? Would you fear her using you for your good looks? If you were not smart would you put forth an arguement regarding a perjudice toward intelligent suitors?

Do you not want to be seen for the sum total of who you are? Or is this all ploy on the behalf of deficent suitors? They shame the wealthy from competing fully. Haves compete with the have nots with one hand tied behind their back. Was this a cultural or religious atmosphere created to give hope to the masses?

For those that do have the money in the bank, have you been decieved by a false sense of shame? Does it really benifit you?

Do the wealthy suffer from an indoctronation of false shame or do they enjoy not paying due to greed? Does anyone think street wise girls are going to fall for the dangling carrot trick? Are we dogs that you make us jump for scraps?

A generous, upfront gentleman clearly has the advantage. You place a gift on the table without saying a word. But you speak with confidence in the act. What would this say about you? :
"Here is a gift on behalf of a generous suitor for your affections. I don't intend to be unfair with your time as others have been. I am considerate of your situation. I want the issue of money to be handled upfront so it is not an issue during out time. I am metropolitain and open minded. I don't subscribe to superstitions."

As for the girls, are they evil for not subscribing to religoius brainwashing? Yes, we are the devil! Perhaps they, with a back hand to the forhead and a sigh, should take up the occupation of fairness. Perhaps I should go to dinner with every email request just to make the universe more fair to the poor and ugly. After all, I may miss the opportunity to share life with a beautiful person on the inside. We should get married and live under a bridge exchanging witless banter and eating bugs more handsome.

[cheez]

come on...really. How do you possibly keep a relationship with a girl you had to pay to start up with?
You do realize all she is just one fatter wallet away from leaving you?
I'm not targeting t-girls specifically--I mean anyone who starts a relationship looking for renumeration is generally of that mindset and it ain't gonna change.
You really think if this girl gets a good sugar daddy you're not gonna drop to #2 on the speed dial?
God bless if it works, but don't be surprised if it doesn't.

Yes, anyone can drop to number 2 in an open relationship. If your not married that the uncertainty of it. Until she makes a commintment, she is dating and looking for a handome suitor and a good provider. If someone says they are outright not going to provide, for whatever reason, they can expect to be viewed accordingly.

It's so silly that men feel money contaminiates things. Who made up this rule? If your assets weren't in money would you hide what benifits you had to offer? Would you put a bag over your head if you were handsome? Would you fear her using you for your good looks? If you were not smart would you put forth an arguement regarding a perjudice toward intelligent suitors?

Do you not want to be seen for the sum total of who you are? Or is this all ploy on the behalf of deficent suitors? They shame the wealthy from competing fully. Haves compete with the have nots with one hand tied behind their back. Was this a cultural or religious atmosphere created to give hope to the masses?

For those that do have the money in the bank, have you been decieved by a false sense of shame? Does it really benifit you?

Do the wealthy suffer from an indoctronation of false shame or do they enjoy not paying due to greed? Does anyone think street wise girls are going to fall for the dangling carrot trick? Are we dogs that you make us jump for scraps?

A generous, upfront gentleman clearly has the advantage. You place a gift on the table without saying a word. But you speak with confidence in the act. What would this say about you? :
"Here is a gift on behalf of a generous suitor for your affections. I don't intend to be unfair with your time as others have been. I am considerate of your situation. I want the issue of money to be handled upfront so it is not an issue during out time. I am metropolitain and open minded. I don't subscribe to superstitions."

As for the girls, are they evil for not subscribing to religoius brainwashing? Yes, we are the devil! Perhaps they, with a back hand to the forhead and a sigh, should take up the occupation of fairness. Perhaps I should go to dinner with every email request just to make the universe more fair to the poor and ugly. After all, I may miss the opportunity to share life with a beautiful person on the inside. We should get married and live under a bridge exchanging witless banter and eating bugs more handsome.


Money can be a big factor and a huge determining one, but it shouldn't be the only one.
Let me put it this way 99% of the GGs I've dated wouldn't care if a guy made 50K and was in good shape and smelled good as opposed to an old guy who makes 500K has an ass like moldy cottage cheese and a dick that looks like string cheese left in the sun too long.
But t-girls perhaps because of the expense of their transition have a different mindset, generally.
I've gone to many a club and bar and gotten women with nothing more than force of personality and charm without ever having to pull out my wallet. There's money in it, but I'm in good shape and got a nice smile, money is often not my first recourse.
Yet if I go to any of the T girl clubs, the very first question isn't what's your name, it's a statement- "Hi, buy me a drink."
So what you're saying is I don't care what you look like, don't care about your personality, don't care if you like my looks, just "do you have money for me?"
And that is a poor foundation for a lasting relationship in my eyes.
Attraction to the person, not their wallet is what will have some lingering effect.
It's funny I read all the posts about girls hating "cockhounds" (guys who don't really find the whole girl attractive and are often chasing one attribute) and yet somehow being a "wallethound" is any better?
Does every hookup I ever make with GGs have hearts and flowers and a spiritual connection? No, obviously not, but it's usually borne of mutual attraction so it at least has the possibility of such.
Plus consider this: the guy who opens his wallet for you, what makes you think he's not gonna trade in for a newer model in six months?
When you enter a relationship that feels like a transaction, I would say that for the most part that's what it will be...

[El Nino]

My advice is, let her take a dump in your mouth. If she is up for it, ask for her hand in marriage. Tell your parents afterward all the details then go to Chucky Cheese for the Reception!

[magus13]

My advice is, let her take a dump in your mouth. If she is up for it, ask for her hand in marriage. Tell your parents afterward all the details then go to Chucky Cheese for the Reception!

I'll make sure i do that. Thanks for your valuable contribution. You seem to have a great deal of depth and insight which I'm sure those around you truly appreciate. Thanks again.

[NadiaUSA]

OK, you win. Ill tell all the T-girls at our next quarterly meeting in the tranny secret volcano lair.

[El Nino]

Man Shit?