Denied Health Insurance by Kaiser for being Trans.

[justatransgirl]

Well, we got denied by Kaiser Health Insurance today for Jessica and I in violation of California state law which precluded them from denying us insurance based on being trans.

The bastards insisted on referring to Jessica as a "man."

So now starts what will be a long drawn out lawsuit process.

And people wonder why transsexual kill themselves. Jessica was so depressed today she could hardly go to school.

If ANYONE has had any dealings with Kaiser - good or bad - or if you are insured by them and would help us with information on your experiences, would you please get in touch with me.

JustaTransGirl@yahoo.com

Thanks,
TS Jamie :-)

[tgirlzoe]

That's fucked up. At least I've never had to deal with that, seeing as I've never had health insurance... Ugh.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

The thing with health care though is that they don't acknowledge other genders but male and female. And even though you went the whole nine yards and get the pussy at some point in time, you are still written as 'male' on all your medical records (here in California..not too sure about other places).

But denying health coverage (like employment, housing etc.) because you're a transexual is discrimination. If I were you, I'd go seek a second opinion and consult a lawyer about this and see if there are any steps that needs/can to be done.

Goodluck girl. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[Dino Velvet]

And even though you went the whole nine yards and get the pussy at some point in time, you are still written as 'male' on all your medical records (here in California..not too sure about other places).

Even if you get the actual SRS surgery, you are classified as male?

Best of luck, Jamie. It was fun talking to you the past couple of days. I hope things for you and Jessica turn out OK.

[justatransgirl]

Actually in CA, they are required by law to use your percieved or in our case our LEGAL gender. (Our DL and Passports say Female and we are in the process of getting our birth certs changed. We are both legally under CA law, female whether we have a dick or not.)

Health insurance companies may not discriminate against transgendered people. I'm not sure the bill number, I have to learn all that now. But it became effective a few years ago.

We went to Kaiser because it was supposed to be transfriendly. Bullshit.

I've already been in touch with the Transgender Law Center, but they, like most trans advocate agencies are taking a "don't make waves" stance. Hopefully now I will get a referral. I will take this to the Supreme Court if necessary and if I can get the money.

It's time this shit stops. As you can tell Jamie is PISSED OFF - they hurt my baby - Jessica was talking about killing herself today for the first time in ages. A bit of advice, to anybody who might inadvertantly do this. Never, ever piss off a PARATROOPER.

Sheesh,
TS Jamie :-)

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Actually in CA, they are required by law to use your percieved or in our case our LEGAL gender. (Our DL and Passports say Female and we are in the process of getting our birth certs changed. We are both legally under CA law, female whether we have a dick or not.)

I work in health care and as far as I know (I could double check for you), perceived gender (as required by law) is separate and different from your actual birth gender stated on your medical records. Those are two different things.

You can have an F on your DL and Passports but your medical records still show you as biological male. This record should be accurate because your medical history is what the doctors look at when they're treating you for physical ailments, accidents and whatnot.

~Kisses.

HTG

[TrueBeauty TS]

Actually in CA, they are required by law to use your percieved or in our case our LEGAL gender. (Our DL and Passports say Female and we are in the process of getting our birth certs changed. We are both legally under CA law, female whether we have a dick or not.)

Health insurance companies may not discriminate against transgendered people. I'm not sure the bill number, I have to learn all that now. But it became effective a few years ago.

We went to Kaiser because it was supposed to be transfriendly. Bullshit.

I've already been in touch with the Transgender Law Center, but they, like most trans advocate agencies are taking a "don't make waves" stance. Hopefully now I will get a referral. I will take this to the Supreme Court if necessary and if I can get the money.

It's time this shit stops. As you can tell Jamie is PISSED OFF - they hurt my baby - Jessica was talking about killing herself today for the first time in ages. A bit of advice, to anybody who might inadvertantly do this. Never, ever piss off a PARATROOPER.

Sheesh,
TS Jamie :-)


You must be in a bad mood.... you didn't giggle.


Giggle :wink:



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[ShadowMaster]

Why should insurance pay ??

Why should they pay for things that are related to hormonal intake, surgery, apparent sexual promiscuity, disease, drug and alcohol abuse, mental problems for something YOU CHOOSE to do

You take hormones that are not needed by your body - causing other complications and risks. Surgery unneeded, all these things.

Why SHOULD THEY PAY ???????????????

Why are you here?

Anyway, Jamie FIGHT! If no one does anything, nothing will change. I would say scour internet for organizations, forums, etc. that cater to TG people. I would say find people with similar experiences specifically in California and nationally just in case it needs to go to the next level. Also look around for insurance providers where this won't be an issue. For your own insurance sake also to either a) show this is not standard if you find one or b) if you can't find one point out this is systematic discrimination. Ask fellow TS who their insurance provider is? Last but not least find the most vicious lawyer you can afford with expertise concerning insurance and discrimination lawsuits.

[ShadowMaster]

TD you obviously have a glaring hatred for the people here, so again what's point?

You're either here to rant without sympathy to reinforce your own sense of self-righteousness or to irritate others to fufill your own sadistic desire to do harm. Or a masochistic desire to be tongue-lashed. I hardly believe you are actually trying to persuade someone. Your like a guy who hates Hip-Hop & R&B with front row tickets to the Soul Train Music Awards? I mean really what's that point? You've posted almost 50 times already, so what are you getting out of it?

How do their life decisions effect you because this seems personal? Or am I misinterpreting your egocentric myopic point of view on life?

[justatransgirl]

Why should insurance pay ??

Why should they pay for things that are related to hormonal intake, surgery, apparent sexual promiscuity, disease, drug and alcohol abuse, mental problems for something YOU CHOOSE to do

You take hormones that are not needed by your body - causing other complications and risks. Surgery unneeded, all these things.

Why SHOULD THEY PAY ???????????????

Thanks for your support.

I'm sorry, should have made that clear. I'm not worried about hormone or TG related stuff, I understand that may be considered elective.

I want the insurance in case I need a brain transplant or get the flu or break my leg on the stairs. Fuck the trans stuff - we need general health coverage so that if we have to go to the ER is doesn't cost us ten grand.

TS Jamie :-)

And By The Way - get the FUCK OUT of my thread if you aren't going to discuss insurance. This is serious shit and I'm seriously pissed off - so don't get me pissed off at you too honey because I'm a real bitch when I'm mad. Sheesh

[TrueBeauty TS]

GOD supposedly gave me some pre-existing condition so why shouldn't the insurance company cover me for my abnormality, disease, etc. ? Nobody considers that discrimination! and yet you CHOOSE to dress up and abuse your body and yet you want someone else to pay for your actions?



Yes DRAMA-doc, we are all quite aware of your born-without-a-brain syndrome. :roll:

And talk about living in a fantasy world.... you are one of the most, in denial, closet fags I have ever seen posting on these boards.

:smh



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[samsonman]

I'm here for my own reasons.

I'm also here to watch how everyone has the "poor poor me" attitude.

"The world should change to suit me and my wants"

I find it funny that all those here who admit this is an "escort" site - which is nothing but prostitution ... and those participating in prostitution then bitch because of some other so-called injustice.

Why should the world cater to those?

Screw those that fall outside the norm of the system.

GOD supposedly gave me some pre-existing condition so why shouldn't the insurance company cover me for my abnormality, disease, etc. ? Nobody considers that discrimination! and yet you CHOOSE to dress up and abuse your body and yet you want someone else to pay for your actions?

I don't think so!!
WTF? This is about basic health care coverage, not your own ignorant and cynical view of transsexuals, so get over yourself, shithead. Also, for someone who says "screw those that fall outside the norm," you certainly share views concerning transgender people that fall outside currently-accepted thought on this board, in the medical community, and even in the private health care industry.

Jamie, what exactly did your denial say? I'd understand denying you coverage for transsexual-related services (damn preexisting conditions :roll:) but to be denied basic insurance is crazy. I read on TransgenderLaw.org that Kaiser Permanente of California removed its transgender exclusions for hormones and therapy (but not SRS). So, TransgenderLaw.org is either completely wrong or you've got a pretty strong case.

[a994]

Jamie and Jessica, :grouphug:

I am sorry this happened to you (and countless other transgender persons I am quite sure).

And (bleep) Kaiser and John Wayne!

[a994]

And traumadoc, call me when you develop your first trace of humanity.

[a994]

There's a person here who can help.

"Paging Ms. Peggygee..."

[KiraHarden]

Why should insurance pay ??

Why should they pay for things that are related to hormonal intake, surgery, apparent sexual promiscuity, disease, drug and alcohol abuse, mental problems for something YOU CHOOSE to do

You take hormones that are not needed by your body - causing other complications and risks. Surgery unneeded, all these things.

Why SHOULD THEY PAY ???????????????
Go get played by a Vegas escort. Dumb ass :lol:

[KiraHarden]

Again - I'm here for my own reasons which are not relevant to anyone else

The real issue is not that of a problem with me but all those unwilling to accept what I say as actually being true - living in a fantasy world

And I DESPISE the whole R&B/SOUL/HIPHOP/RAP line of music
You have posted a woo is me thread when you told your STORY about getting ripped off. You had a fantasy that ran off with your AVN tickets.

[flabbybody]

the private insurance companies exist to make a profit for shareholders, so the only customers they accept are the ones who are least likely to seek care and submit claims. Either you get automatic coverage as part of a group plan at work or you dont have access to health care.
The federal government needs to get into the insurance business, whatever the cost is to taxpayers. We need to elect a president that has the guts to say that.

[justatransgirl]

Jamie, what exactly did your denial say? I'd understand denying you coverage for transsexual-related services (damn preexisting conditions :roll:) but to be denied basic insurance is crazy. I read on TransgenderLaw.org that Kaiser Permanente of California removed its transgender exclusions for hormones and therapy (but not SRS). So, TransgenderLaw.org is either completely wrong or you've got a pretty strong case.

The denial itself was just a standard form. No specific reason. BUT there is no other reason they could deny us except for that - and they made a big deal of our being trans on the phone.

We answered the form honestly - there is no option M or F - we are legally female in CA. There was a question "do you menustrate?" NO. And a question "do you take female hormones such as Premarin or Estrogen?" Yes. There is no place on the form to add comments or disclose transgender status.

As I understand it they are not allowed to ask by law until after the application process. Obviously at some point we have to disclose that we have some biological body parts. But that's a MEDICAL issue not an ADMINISTRATIVE one.

And you are absolutely right Samson - the TGLaw site is correct. We went to Kaiser because it is supposed to be trans friendly. I intend to file a miltimillion dollar lawsuit against them if they don't get this resolved PDQ And yes Kaiser is (as I understand it at this point, not being a lawyer) is in serious violation of CA insurance law.

Jessica was so despondent she started talking about suicide again. I will chase these Kaiser people into the grave for causing that sort of trauma to a wonderful young lady.

Sigh,
TS Jamie :-)

[Ecstatic]

That is seriously fucked up, Jamie. Really. I'm glad you're there for Jessica, to help her through this. We so need to reform health care law and availability and costs in this country.

And ignore jerks like drama-doc. I have never, ever requested that anyone be banned, but if anyone deserved it, it's an idiot who brings that kind of crap not just to this site, but to a thread like this.

[thx1138]

this sounds like Mike Moore's 'Sicko".

[tsmandy]

Jamie, I hate to be a naysayer, but you have no chance. Kaiser gets away with denying care to people for all sorts of terrible, discriminatory reasons, and the system is specifically designed to keep people from being able to challenge them.

I believe in fighting city hall, but this is something every single uninsured trans person faces in this country, its called a pre-existing condition, and its perfectly legal to deny coverage to us for it. If they had given you coverage, and then found out you were trans, they could then deny you coverage for failure to disclose. It's just fucked, and of course it makes your sweetie feel like dying, she wouldn't be the only one.

And yes, this is just another reason why the HMO's should be destroyed, and their CEO's imprisoned. They make money by denying people coverage, that is how they prosper.

If you end up in the emergency room, give a fake name and social Security, they can't turn you away. If you get sick, go to the nearest GLBT clinic (I don't know if there is one in San Diego, but I know there is one in LA that is pretty good).

Sorry to seem unsupportive, but in the end this is only going to cause you more grief and anger, and the next thing you know you'll end up prowling the woods all day long....like a certain someone I know...

Mandy
p.s. Are you a paratrooper?

[justatransgirl]

Jamie, I hate to be a naysayer, but you have no chance. Kaiser gets away with denying care to people for all sorts of terrible, discriminatory reasons, and the system is specifically designed to keep people from being able to challenge them.

I believe in fighting city hall, but this is something every single uninsured trans person faces in this country, its called a pre-existing condition, and its perfectly legal to deny coverage to us for it. If they had given you coverage, and then found out you were trans, they could then deny you coverage for failure to disclose. It's just fucked, and of course it makes your sweetie feel like dying, she wouldn't be the only one.

And yes, this is just another reason why the HMO's should be destroyed, and their CEO's imprisoned. They make money by denying people coverage, that is how they prosper.

If you end up in the emergency room, give a fake name and social Security, they can't turn you away. If you get sick, go to the nearest GLBT clinic (I don't know if there is one in San Diego, but I know there is one in LA that is pretty good).

Sorry to seem unsupportive, but in the end this is only going to cause you more grief and anger, and the next thing you know you'll end up prowling the woods all day long....like a certain someone I know...

Mandy
p.s. Are you a paratrooper?

Thanks Mandy for your as always super support. I'm already a prowler. :-) But we live by a freeway...

Actually in CA insurance companies cannot deny based upon transexualism. Supposedly.

Our LGBT "friendly" clinic here in San Diego in our experience has been anything but - unless you are a street person on medi-Cal or HIV positive. We are trying right now to get them to certify our Orchis so we can get our court ordered gender change started and are meeting resistance. That's the state of advocacy here. Sigh.

And yes, giggle, once upon a time sweet little Miss Jamie was in the 82nd Airborne and I used jump out of jet planes in the middle of the night. First in, last out.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[tsmandy]

Thanks Mandy for your as always super support. I'm already a prowler. :-) But we live by a freeway...

Actually in CA insurance companies cannot deny based upon transexualism. Supposedly.

Well they aren't denying you because you are a transexual, they are denying you because you have a pre-existing condition, just like a diabetic, or a person with a family history of brain cancer. It's a money issue, not a gender issue. That's how they get away with it, and thats why you would have better luck watching "John Q" with Denzel Washington for inspiration.



Our LGBT "friendly" clinic here in San Diego in our experience has been anything but - unless you are a street person on medi-Cal or HIV positive. We are trying right now to get them to certify our Orchis so we can get our court ordered gender change started and are meeting resistance. That's the state of advocacy here. Sigh.

have you mentioned that you are sex workers? That usually gets you priority treatment, at least in the other GLBT clinics I've gone to (Mazzoni, William Way, Outside IN).

As far as name change stuff goes, all you need to do is go to the court house, it shouldn't be that difficult of a process.

[the_corner]

Ok... I don't live in America so I'm not totally clear on all the details of how this works... but... doesn't this sound like a "universal healthcare" issue?

Point is.... as long as private corporations keep control of healthcare... they will keep denying anyone that is suspicious of any sort of "pre existing condition" (and up to a certain extent we all have one).... and that is just because the reason of private companies is to maximize profit.... yet... the government should be on the responsibility of providing healthcare to anyone, since... you did not chose to be blue or green or with parents from another planet... or whatever "pre existing condition" they might say you have.

Now... on a business level... the whole point of insurance is to get as much money from healthy individuals, and pay for the healthcare of the very little number of unhealthy individuals... so to maximize profit, as long as the market supports it... they will be more selective on the individuals, that way they minimize risk of paying "more"... therefore earning more money....

But then... if everyone has a pre existing condition (which we all do, because everybody has a whatever relative with a whatever hereditary condition), then no one is eligible to healthcare... and therefore no one pays... no income equals broken business.... meaning that the whole pre existing conditions and eligibility isn't more than just a statistic based on the percentage of people they need so to keep the business profitable within certain ranges, and will vary depending on the general health of the population the company sells their services and the amount of profit that the company wants.

I guess that in the end it is the government responsibility to provide for healthcare... the same way they have to provide roads or education... because as long as people remain a statistic in a money maximizing system.. things will never be right.... and no my friends... this is not communism... this is the reason you pay taxes.

Just my two cents on the topic :2cent

[peggygee]

the private insurance companies exist to make a profit for shareholders, so the only customers they accept are the ones who are least likely to seek care and submit claims. Either you get automatic coverage as part of a group plan at work or you dont have access to health care.

The federal government needs to get into the insurance business, whatever the cost is to taxpayers. We need to elect a president that has the guts to say that.


Jamie, I hate to be a naysayer, but you have no chance. Kaiser gets away with denying care to people for all sorts of terrible, discriminatory reasons, and the system is specifically designed to keep people from being able to challenge them.

I believe in fighting city hall, but this is something every single uninsured trans person faces in this country, its called a pre-existing condition, and its perfectly legal to deny coverage to us for it. If they had given you coverage, and then found out you were trans, they could then deny you coverage for failure to disclose. It's just fucked, and of course it makes your sweetie feel like dying, she wouldn't be the only one.

And yes, this is just another reason why the HMO's should be destroyed, and their CEO's imprisoned. They make money by denying people coverage, that is how they prosper.

If you end up in the emergency room, give a fake name and social Security, they can't turn you away. If you get sick, go to the nearest GLBT clinic (I don't know if there is one in San Diego, but I know there is one in LA that is pretty good).



Jamie, I truly empathize with you on the unfortunate decision rendered by
Kaiser.

Shooting from the hip, not knowing all of the specifics in this matter, and
not knowing all the rules and regs on the insurance regulations in your
state, I will not speak authoritavely.

Though I do have a few thoughts:

1. There is no federal regulatory agency that governs insurance agencies,
each state has its own laws that regulate these agencies, usually headed
by a state Insurance Commissioner.

In California Steve Poizner, oversees the California Department of
Insurance (CDI).

You may call the Consumer Hotline at 800-927-HELP to ask a general
health insurance question or submit this form to file a complaint.

http://www.insurance.ca.gov/contact-us/0200-file-complaint/printable-rfa.cfm

This may also be helpful:

How to Contact This Department
All forms are to be used for new requests only. It is not necessary to
submit another form if you have already sent a completed form or letter
to us. If more than ten business days have passed without contact from
us, please call our Consumer Hotline.

California Department of Insurance
Consumer Communications Bureau
300 South Spring Street, South Tower
Los Angeles, CA 90013
1-800-927-HELP (4357) or 213-897-8921
TDD Number: 1-800-482-4TDD (4833)
The Hotline hours are from 8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m., Mon. - Fri. (Except Holidays)

These are other commisioners:

CA
Harry Low
Commissioner
(Western Zone)
California Department of Insurance
300 Capitol Mall, Suite 17
Sacramento, California 95814
916-492-3500
Fax916-445-5280

CA
State of California
45 Fremont Street, 23rd Floor
San Francisco, California 94102
415-538-4040
Fax415-904-5889

CA
300 South Spring Street
Los Angeles, California 90013
213-346-6400
Fax213-897-6771


2. Additionally as an honorably discharged vetern you are eligible to
receive treatment at an VA medical center, or clinic.

This care will include HRT, mental health, and all other needed medical
care.

A recent directive handed down by the Director of the VA mandates thst
transpersons are to be treated in accordance with the gender they identify
as, in a non-discriminatory fashion. Thus many VA medical centers are
actually somewhat transfriendly.

This will not help Jessica, unless she too is a veteran, but it may be useful
to have it as a resource.

3. As flabbybody has pointed out if you were part of an HMO or group
plan I feel that the odds are lower that you would have been denied as
statistically the risks to the insurance company would be more
apportioned out.

4. As Mandy has pointed out I would consider signing up with a GLBT
health center, they usually are plugged in with a teaching hospital or
the like, and that will definitely be trans-friendly.

5. And finally, there is a PM that I have sent you that has been sitting in
your inbox since 12/8, that is in response to a question that you asked.

Good luck, and I will let let you if I come up with any other useful
information.

Peg......

[peggygee]

As far as name change stuff goes, all you need to do is go to the court house, it shouldn't be that difficult of a process.

I may be wrong, but I think she is seeking a gender
change on her birth certificate.

The procedure for that is:

California

California will change both name and sex, and will issue a new birth certificate rather than amend the old one. California Health and Safety Code, Section 103425-103445, states: "A petition for the issuance of a new birth certificate in those cases shall be filed with the superior court of the county where the petitioner resides."

The State Office of Vital Records has made a Web link with a PDF document detailing the procedure for obtaining a new birth certificate after "gender reassignment". The link is:

http://www.dhs.ca.gov/hisp/chs/OVR/Amendments/GENDER%20REASSIGNMENT.pdf

There is also a phone number for information on this procedure:
(916) 557-6076

You will need an original letter from your SRS surgeon, and an original or certified copy of the court order for your name change. If you do not have a court order for your name change, you may petition the court for change of name at the same time you petition for the new birth certificate.

Fees are determined by the superior court of the county receiving the petition.

Michael Rodrian
State Registrar and Chief
Center for Health Statistics
mrodrian@dhs.ca.gov

[peggygee]

There's a person here who can help.

"Paging Ms. Peggygee..."

After my book above I don't know if I've helped or not. :oops:

But after reading all of that, she should be able to sleep
better.

It's put me to bed writing it.

Goodnight HA, play nice. :wink:

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/hairrollersredux.jpg

[BrendaQG]

Jamie.

That is so so fucked up. Things like this really make ya wonder who decides what a "transfriendly" company is eh? One lucky person has a good experience and Kaiser permanente gets the stamp of approval. I hope your lawyers takem to the cleaners.

My $0.02
What was said about pre existing conditions is true and probably should apply to transsexuality. If I were litigating this I would point out how "common transgendered behaviors" are along the lines of smoking or drinking. They increase one's risk of certain ailments. However it is discriminatory to assume without proof that all transgendered people (in particular MTF's) exhibit those supposedly "common" high risk behaviors. Therefore denying coverage based solely on transgender status is or should be breaking some law or the other. I don't know which one that's why I'm not a lawyer... Basically I see how you could win. With the right jury even win really big.

[Tarissa]

Why should insurance pay ??

Why should they pay for things that are related to hormonal intake, surgery, apparent sexual promiscuity, disease, drug and alcohol abuse, mental problems for something YOU CHOOSE to do

You take hormones that are not needed by your body - causing other complications and risks. Surgery unneeded, all these things.

Why SHOULD THEY PAY ???????????????
Why should they pay if a child is born autistic?
Why should they pay if a child is born with a heart defect?
Why should they pay to seperate Siamese twins?
Why should they pay if a child is transgendered?
Because they are insurers and as such they accept the risk to right the wrongs. God help me if I ever end up in your trauma unit. Have you ever heard of the Hippocratic oath? Believe me it would be alot easier if we were born "perfect" like you. The insurance companies pay billions to keep people that smoke and drink to excess healthy. We are just trying to live happy and productive lives. Shame on you as a so called Doc.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Jamie...I wish I had information that might help you but, unfortunately, all I can do at this point is offer my sympathy ans support. I don't care what gender you are or are not, no one should be denied health coverage. Now I'm pissed off.... so that makes a Paratrooper AND a SEAL!!! :frustrated

P.S. You tell Jessica to hang in there. It might get worse before it gets better but, IT WILL GET BETTER!!! :rock2

[justatransgirl]

Thank you ladies (and gents) for your suggestions and support.

I'm slowly becoming educated - and you can bet your sweet bippies that Kaiser is going to get an education too.

Actually, in CA The Transgender Non-Discrimination Act of 2005/6 - Assembly Bill 1548 prohibits the denial of transgendered persons health insurance. This was specifically enacted because the Insurance companies were pulling the pre-existing condition BS.I have not been able to locate the actual law text yet.

As I understand it and from a brief discussion with an attorney at the TGLC - they cannot deny us insurance on anything related to being trans - so unless they find a tumor or something I don't think they have a leg to stand on. I think their low level denial people did a major fuck up.

Also, thanks Mandy and Peggy - yes we are just doing a change of gender. We changed our names years ago.

Also, unfortunately our local LGBT clinic is marginal at best, mostly just an STD clinic, that also sees TS's for hormone treatment. They are not very accomodating.

In CA transsexuals after having "non-reversible surgery (orchiectomy, or SRS) can obtain a court order for gender change (it is in fact the same form as for a name change) this can then be used to get a new birth certificate issued - which can then be used to obtain SSI gender change and passport gender change. We already have temporary female passports, so it will hopefully just be a matter of verifying the surgery. Though apparently it is very dependent on who does the processing. We may have another court case with that.

I am ready for a years long battle on both these issues - and boys I'm going to need a LOT of dates to pay for all this. Hint, hint...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[tsmandy]

Thank you ladies (and gents) for your suggestions and support.
In CA transsexuals after having "non-reversible surgery (orchiectomy, or SRS) can obtain a court order for gender change (it is in fact the same form as for a name change) this can then be used to get a new birth certificate issued - which can then be used to obtain SSI gender change and passport gender change. We already have temporary female passports, so it will hopefully just be a matter of verifying the surgery. Though apparently it is very dependent on who does the processing. We may have another court case with that.

I am ready for a years long battle on both these issues - and boys I'm going to need a LOT of dates to pay for all this. Hint, hint...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

This is actually something I've been trying to figure out for the longest time, seeing as how I was born in CA and desperately need to change my birth certificate info, so I can get a passport and go see my Canadian pals, not too mention leave the f'ing country permanently if that asswipe Huckabee ends up in office.

Every time i try to research it though, my eyes glaze over and my mind wanders far, far away.

[tsmandy]

You will need an original letter from your SRS surgeon, and an original or certified copy of the court order for your name change. If you do not have a court order for your name change, you may petition the court for change of name at the same time you petition for the new birth certificate.

Fees are determined by the superior court of the county receiving the petition.

Michael Rodrian
State Registrar and Chief
Center for Health Statistics
mrodrian@dhs.ca.gov

Damn...I have no way of getting in touch with the doctor that performed my surgery, last I heard she was the only abortion provider in Western Montana...not exactly the kind of person you can easily get in touch with.

[q1a2z3]

Hmmmmmmmmmm... OK let's see what the DNA tests say. Oh yes, a person with one X and one Y chromosome is a MAN!!! Yikes! It's going to be really hard to argue, even with a soft-headed judge, scientific facts. Then again liberals have whined about "global warming" so long people actually believe that too.

It might be easier and saner to think of your XY condition as something akin to having an RH factor of plus or minus. Killing ones self over someone else's opinion could be construed as a mental disorder, which was scientifically arrived at prior to 1974 by the pre-cooped APA.

An XY "host" is incapable of surviving pregnancy while an XX "host" does quite well.

Molecular biology has not progressed fast enough to keep up with your hobby.

[q1a2z3]

Gee let's see what's going on:

1. had "the" surgery - good by mr. happy.
2. got the surgery from an abortionist.
3. Phobic about a Christian being President.

This has been and will always be a Christian country.
The silent majority is about to become more vocal and move to remove the wacko judges who have taken us to the brink of chaos.