Well guys...what are my options???

[Thuggish_Intellect]

I have a dilema...and it seems to only be getting worse with time. I am under the assumption that there are guys on this board who are in similar situations such as me (public figure, entertainer, position of trust, personality, etc.)...in my particular line of work, this is taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaboooooooooooooooooo to the point of anything closely relating to homosexuality will dead your career.

My question is, is there a silent code of conduct amongst the girls as to who they've dated that's famous? Because all the stories of Eddie Murphy, a few basketball players, and a few rockers/rappers i've heard kind of pushes me off...


honestly

that's why i haven't attended any parties because of the lack of VIP rooms...where pavaratzi can't snap pics of you and all...to an extent it's the reason why I haven't considered "dating" straight up girls that i've chatted with online who seem to be cool as ice...help me out guys...

[tommytuu]

Check your private mail.

[rocklob]

Thuggish, seems to me there must be hundreds of famous people seeing tgirls whose cover hasn't been blown (no pun intended). But you can never be 100% certain. My only suggestion is if you're that connected you should be able to afford to go off on a vacation to say, Brazil, under the cover of some excuse (like seeing Rio needs an excuse) and do the hotties there with no stress. Thailand is more problematic as any mention of trips to Thailand tends to get people winking about sex toursim right away.

Good luck. Never thought my relative poverty and anonymity would seem attractive!

[rocklob]

Thuggish, seems to me there must be hundreds of famous people seeing tgirls whose cover hasn't been blown (no pun intended). But you can never be 100% certain. My only suggestion is if you're that connected you should be able to afford to go off on a vacation to say, Brazil, under the cover of some excuse (like seeing Rio needs an excuse) and do the hotties there with no stress. Thailand is more problematic as any mention of trips to Thailand tends to get people winking about sex toursim right away.

Good luck. Never thought my relative poverty and anonymity would seem attractive!

[TheGuard]

Not an entirely unique problem, anyone in a high profile job has the same dilema, but with added threat of losing their job, or possibly esteem. Sadly I don't see a solution to this in the future, until either the individuals own up to their feelings and say fuck it, I want to be with the "woman" I love regarless of what others think, or society itself becomes more accepting (a direction I hope we are moving in) both may be arduous, but anything in life worth having is hard to get.

[Quinn]

Thuggish,

I doubt that I would be considered very high-profile or a celebrity, which is fine because I work to maintain anonymity, but I am in a position of trust (corporate fiduciary obligations, etc.) -- the continued profitability of which demands that I maintain a certain public image. Many of those who choose to put their finances at the disposal of my investment company are "old money types" who would not have their faith in me, my business partners, or my company reinforced by the disclosure of my occasional interest in "the third sex."

They see the graduate degrees, the culture, and the financial success that we all know doesn't truly determine my worth as a person. I don't work to dispel their image of me, but use it to my advantage. The truth of my identity and interests is something I choose to share only with highly trusted friends.

My recommendations for maintaining your protected status are as follows:

1. Do not use the services of escorts.

2. Pick the shemales you choose to share your time with very carefully.

3. Choose your destinations carefully. When spending time with
shemale friends in Manhattan, I know a number of special clubs,
restaurants, etc. where nobody talks about what they see. Privacy
and anonymity are guaranteed. Find similar places.

Some ladies will tell you that if you aren’t proud to be seen with them, then you don’t deserve them. This usually reflects a shallow understanding of the situation and should be dismissed – along with the lady making such a statement. It’s your financial future at stake, not their own.

[geekmeat]

Are you a hip hop producer?
Do you work with any MAJOR labels?
If I was you I would be careful.
Dont trust NOBODY.......you hear me?
If your in the line of work I think then it aint even worth getting outted like that.
Think about your paper first.

[Thuggish_Intellect]

Check your private mail.


back at you...thanks man

[Ts Laura]

actually there are alot i have heard of or know of that i have never seen mentioned online or anywere else, most of the girls don't meet and gab really, most of the time that happens it is via some other source, a friend or even the said HIGH profile person did something to the other and forced there hand. but for the most part the girls don't as you call out and out them to others or the public.

[suckseed]

I'm talking out my backside here (twirking?), but I would imagine that the classier shemales wouldn't be kissing and telling. Personally, this past week here has been pretty enlightening. In the year or so I've been here, I've gone from thinking about them purely as sexual fantasies to people it could be cool to date or be with long tem at some point. One thing that doesn't get talked about much is conversation. I've always had more fun talking about my favorite things with my guy friends. (Music, recording, literature, film, women in my case). My girlfriends' interest in those topics have never been as strong as my guy friends.

What if you could have a partner whose interests matched your own?
Eventually, there's going to be the Rosa Parks version of a famous man who proudly dates a shemale. Then the doors will be kicked open. Things are changing everywhere already. Teenagers today are so much less inclined to prejudge other groups. It's pretty cool.

[TrueBeauty TS]

What if you could have a partner whose interests matched your own?
Eventually, there's going to be the Rosa Parks version of a famous man who proudly dates a shemale. Then the doors will be kicked open. Things are changing everywhere already. Teenagers today are so much less inclined to prejudge other groups. It's pretty cool.


Suckseed,

You are 100% correct. It almost makes me sick to hear the endless excuses and the lack of courage these guys have posted on this thread. You guys sound like the gay men of the 1950's. Scared to death and hiding in the closet.

It always amazes me that all the girls here have the courage to be who they want to be, but not the men.

Instead of waiting for the "Rosa Parks of tranny chasers", why not BE that person. And if you are REALLY that good at your job and make money for all your customers, then I doubt they would all bail out on you. If you are still bringing in the money, they will stick around.

Money always trumps gender.

[NYCe]

Instead of waiting for the "Rosa Parks of tranny chasers", why not BE that person. And if you are REALLY that good at your job and make money for all your customers, then I doubt they would all bail out on you. If you are still bringing in the money, they will stick around.

Money always trumps gender.


Sorry but this is bullshit.

[suckseed]

D'oh! And from NYCe no less.
The voice from the mountain.

Okay, who's the best known gay couple?

For women, off the top of my head I'd say it was
Anne Heche and Ellen Degeneres.
Did their liason hurt their careers?

I just woke up, and for the life of me can't even think of a well known
gay male couple.

Arrgh. Need coffee. And a swim.

[TrueBeauty TS]

Instead of waiting for the "Rosa Parks of tranny chasers", why not BE that person. And if you are REALLY that good at your job and make money for all your customers, then I doubt they would all bail out on you. If you are still bringing in the money, they will stick around.

Money always trumps gender.


Sorry but this is bullshit.


I knew I'd hit too close to home with you guys with my reply and so I expected disagreement. But how about something to back up your opinion instead of putting all your thought and energy into your snippy little retort.

[Vicki Richter]

I've been out with some very influential men in and outside their home towns. The fact that our genre is relatively under the radar to the mainstream public is a good thing. That is why I only do adult movies and Internet. Each adult movie probably only has sales of 2,000 - 10,000 pieces worldwide. Unless they are looking for shemales in some way, most people have probably never seen me. This is why I think it's a negative thing for the girls to flash that they are T on mainstream TV in front of potentially millions of viewers. Now instead of 50k fans knowing who you are, you now have tons of common folk saying, "is that the man who looks like a woman from Springer"? F that! If you aren't a shemale fan, I don't want you recognizing me. Even at the AVN most guys had no idea I was TS as can be told by the number of guys posing with my bootie in their face or holding me in various ways. So even hardcore porn fans mostly aren't aware of the "famous" shemales.

I pretty much agree with what the one guy was saying... I'm not sure what would be worse for someone in his position, being seen with a TS, or an escort... the combination = not good. The more famous you are, the worse off you are from a vulnerability standpoint. Eddie Murphy got seriously abused in this scandal and we haven't come all that far since then. I've seen three famous people at Peanuts though as well.

And yes, girls do talk about who they've been with. I heard from a friend of a friend names of some people one of your favorite darlings had been with. I knew they were valid because a few of the same guys had contacted me. The guy who told me had no business knowing about these people. If you want 100% confidentiality, guys should be willing to pay the girls extra for that. Otherwise it's like, she tells one friend, that friend tells two friends... pretty soon every TS alive will know that "such and such" dates TS.

[Vicki Richter]

Oh the main thing also is that someday a famous somebody might be willing to date a TS publicly, but that TS won't be a porn star or escort. Have you noticed that celebrity even deny dating female pornstars? Even that is taboo. However, being seen with GG hookers really screws some of those guys.

[TrueBeauty TS]

If you want 100% confidentiality, guys should be willing to pay the girls extra for that. Otherwise it's like, she tells one friend, that friend tells two friends... pretty soon every TS alive will know that "such and such" dates TS.


Pay the girls what? $500 every month? Hmmm..... I don't know how all the guys are going to feel about you endorsing blackmail or "hush money". :lol:

[TrueBeauty TS]

Oh the main thing also is that someday a famous somebody might be willing to date a TS publicly, but that TS won't be a porn star or escort. Have you noticed that celebrity even deny dating female pornstars? Even that is taboo. However, being seen with GG hookers really screws some of those guys.


That, I do agree with.

I still say that all of these excuses and arguments the guys give now were the same ones that all the gay men and women of the past have used.

We really don't KNOW if openly dating a T would destroy someone's career, because all the famous people that do, never take a stand and own up to it. It will happen, but it won't be overnight and there will be some casulties, but if people believe in something strong enough, anything is possible. Now the question is, which guys are strong enough to take the first steps? Or is all this just more BS? :wink:

[suckseed]

Good points. I'm not saying I think it'll happen soon. But it will happen. Just look at the big picture. Teens today can look at porn that I had no idea existed when I was that age. I've often wondered what effect this will have on future generation, but for better or worse, these kids are going to be a hell of a lot more aware of the range of sexual activities.
Of course, on the other side, there are the conservatives trying to do away with the current sexual freedom we enjoy.
So...what about other, less puritannical countries? Are people there less uptight?

[Vicki Richter]

If you want 100% confidentiality, guys should be willing to pay the girls extra for that. Otherwise it's like, she tells one friend, that friend tells two friends... pretty soon every TS alive will know that "such and such" dates TS.


Pay the girls what? $500 every month? Hmmm..... I don't know how all the guys are going to feel about you endorsing blackmail or "hush money". :lol:

No, but if a guy is giving a $300 girl $1000 a visit for her discretion, then I think she would be smart not to say anything. If the guy is dumb enough to pick the caliber of girl who would blackmail him, then he probably deserves to get caught.

[Ecstatic]

Hush money! Now we've come quite a ways, lol. This is a delicate situation for some--probably for all to varying degrees. I've told various friends and family members that I have TS friends. I don't tell them I've had sex with TS; it's none of their biz. But the hardest part for most of my family and friends wouldn't be the fact that it was a TS, but that I had sex with someone other than the lovely woman I'm married to. I couldn't care less about that because hers is the only opinion that matters in that regard, and she's very supportive of me (has even met one of my TS friends socially, and they got on very well). So there's a distinction, for me, between being proud to be associated with TS (which I am) and being private about any sexual contact that may ensue with them.

But I can see that for some people (who work in an industry which, apparently, is quite closed minded in some ways, like Thuggish does), even association with TS or gays or escorts (let alone a combination of any of the above) would be very harsh for their careers, and caution is advised for them. I agree with True Beauty in principle, but I also see that that principle sometimes, in some circumstances, has to give way...or you have to choose a different career.

[Vicki Richter]

Oh the main thing also is that someday a famous somebody might be willing to date a TS publicly, but that TS won't be a porn star or escort. Have you noticed that celebrity even deny dating female pornstars? Even that is taboo. However, being seen with GG hookers really screws some of those guys.


That, I do agree with.

I still say that all of these excuses and arguments the guys give now were the same ones that all the gay men and women of the past have used.

We really don't KNOW if openly dating a T would destroy someone's career, because all the famous people that do, never take a stand and own up to it. It will happen, but it won't be overnight and there will be some casulties, but if people believe in something strong enough, anything is possible. Now the question is, which guys are strong enough to take the first steps? Or is all this just more BS? :wink:

How did you two meet?

"Oh I saw her in shemale road trip #xx and fell in love."

Better...

"Well I was dating her for a while off of the erosguide, and through that, I realized that she was the girl for me."

My guess is that it's already happened to some extent and nobody knows it. Kind of like a Tula situation before she was outted. Not all TS are stupid enough to get into the porn industry as you happen to know darlin'.

[Quinn]

TrueBeauty,

O.K., I'll bite. Respectuflly speaking, your assertion that "money trumps gender" is just plain wrong. At 33 years of age, I have extensive experience at the higher levels of both the domestic and international corporate arena, and have found that nothing could be further from the truth. Were you referring only to acting, singing, or some other artistically oriented business, I might agree with you in that specific instance. However, as a general rule, money definitely does not trump gender, gender identity, or sexual orientation. The higher up the money tree you go the older the money gets, and old money tends to be accompanied by narrow and antiquated social perspectives that limit such considerations. In fact, for people in that environment, being just straightforward gay is viewed as being far more acceptable than being transgendered.

As support of my assertion, I submit to you that very few transgendered people have achieved mid-level or high-level positions in the corporate world. Think about it. Why do so many TGs go into the adult entertainment industry or wind up working for themselves in some other field? It's not just because "the money is good;" it's often because of a lack of truly viable opportunities for advancement in the corporate environment.

In your post, you make references to your being sick of men who lack courage and who you view as being "scarred to death and hiding in the closet." Am I to infer from that statement that because I choose not to share this small part of my life (perhaps 1 in every 10 women with whom I choose to share intimacy is TG instead of GG) with those who invest in my company that I lack courage. Why must I or any other man loudly proclaim his occasional interest in TGs in order to satisfy your insecurity driven need to be validated? Why must I choose any label (gay, straight, bi, etc.) in order to satisfy the needs of anyone not comfortable with their own identity. I do what works for me and don't feel so insecure as to have to label or define any of it.

[suckseed]

It's all settled then Thuggish. Become a valet and take AS to the Vibe Awards. Anything else we can help you with?

[Vicki Richter]

I beg to differ on that. My sister interviewed two relatively high level management TS who work at a large company. Both were very well integrated. This is not an exception either. I have a male friend who has a senior non-management coworker who is a TS and he is also in a professional environment. Of course if you go up the chain to CEO or corporate offices, you won't see any, but I think there are many TS in mid-level positions.

I would argue that the main stigma is against the sex worker TS, or the ones that are on Springer and that social stigma would be for anyone (male, female, or TS) who are sex workers and go on Springer type shows. People come here and think this entire site is the norm for who and what transsexual people are and I'm sorry but it's not. This is a sex site. This site represents the seedy underbelly of transsexualism, myself included.

V

[Ecstatic]

Vicki, your underbelly doesn't look at all seedy to me! :)

I wonder: I know lots of guys have this misconception that a site like this represents the TS norm (though we try and debunk that myth), but I wonder how many TS have that same perception? I mean, is it only the lure of the fast buck which pulls young TS to escorting and modeling, or is it because that's what they are also exposed to and think is the norm?

[Quinn]

Vicki,

I speak on the employability of the transgendered based mostly upon the experiences of the TGs that I have dated or simply had friendships with here in NYC, New Jersey, and Paris. Those seeking corporate opportunities beyond the lower level have often complained of being hard pressed to find them -- regardless of their level of education.

Speaking from my own business experience, the only place I have seen TGs remotely well integrated into the business culture is in California, particularly LA and San Fran -- and then generally at lower level positions. Outside of California, I haven't seen it. Here in NYC, it doesn't seem to happen unless it is in an artistic endeavor. I've never encountered one at any Wall Street firm I've worked with, which always seemed a bit odd considering how many TGs there are here in NYC. Even the advertising agencies I have worked with, which are about as gay friendly as any industry could be, don't seem to employ any in positions of importance. In Europe, where I have done most of my foreign business and found both women's and gay rights to lag behind the U.S. with reference to corporate matters, opportunities seem even more sparse.

I'm sure shows like Jerry Springer don't work to help this and probably lead to the stigmatization of all TGs.

[TrueBeauty TS]

TrueBeauty,

O.K., I'll bite. Respectuflly speaking, your assertion that "money trumps gender" is just plain wrong. At 33 years of age, I have extensive experience at the higher levels of both the domestic and international corporate arena, and have found that nothing could be further from the truth. Were you referring only to acting, singing, or some other artistically oriented business, I might agree with you in that specific instance. However, as a general rule, money definitely does not trump gender, gender identity, or sexual orientation. The higher up the money tree you go the older the money gets, and old money tends to be accompanied by narrow and antiquated social perspectives that limit such considerations. In fact, for people in that environment, being just straightforward gay is viewed as being far more acceptable than being transgendered.

As support of my assertion, I submit to you that very few transgendered people have achieved mid-level or high-level positions in the corporate world. Think about it. Why do so many TGs go into the adult entertainment industry or wind up working for themselves in some other field? It's not just because "the money is good;" it's often because of a lack of truly viable opportunities for advancement in the corporate environment.

In your post, you make references to your being sick of men who lack courage and who you view as being "scarred to death and hiding in the closet." Am I to infer from that statement that because I choose not to share this small part of my life (perhaps 1 in every 10 women with whom I choose to share intimacy is TG instead of GG) with those who invest in my company that I lack courage. Why must I or any other man loudly proclaim his occasional interest in TGs in order to satisfy your insecurity driven need to be validated? Why must I choose any label (gay, straight, bi, etc.) in order to satisfy the needs of anyone not comfortable with their own identity. I do what works for me and don't feel so insecure as to have to label or define any of it.


Quinn,

Thanks for your well thought out post. I will concede that I was infact probably thinking more along the lines of the entertainment industy. I am not well versed in the old, corporate, finacial institutions. What you say may be true.

However, I think that the people that use porn, go to porn web sites, and see escorts, and visit escort sites DO get a skewed view of transsexualism. There are, and have been some very succsesful TS's in all industries, especially the computer and engineering fields. The reason it seems a lot of TS girls are into porn and other sex work is because of several things.

1. I think it's mostly the money. What other job can command 200-400 an hour?

2. Girls can now starting transition earlier, and to pay for their transistions, sex work is the quickest, most profitable way.

3. Since girls are transistioning earlier, a lot of them skip going to college or even finishing HS. Sex work is easy, big money. (This lack of education will come back to haunt them later, although they don't know it right now because of the high life they are living.)

4. Validation. Getting lots of money because of your beauty is certainly an ego booster.


All that being said, there are thousands of TS people that you will never know about because they live "normal" lives. I personally know some TS's that work in the banking, teaching, computer, news, and aviation industies and even on wall street. Do I know any TS CEO's? No, not yet, but then how many people attain that rank? And when you factor in the low % of TS's versus the normal population, it's not too surprising.




In your post, you make references to your being sick of men who lack courage and who you view as being "scarred to death and hiding in the closet." Am I to infer from that statement that because I choose not to share this small part of my life (perhaps 1 in every 10 women with whom I choose to share intimacy is TG instead of GG) with those who invest in my company that I lack courage. Why must I or any other man loudly proclaim his occasional interest in TGs in order to satisfy your insecurity driven need to be validated? Why must I choose any label (gay, straight, bi, etc.) in order to satisfy the needs of anyone not comfortable with their own identity. I do what works for me and don't feel so insecure as to have to label or define any of it.

First of all, we all have labels even if we don't want them. Even you. You cherish and use the "straight" label because you feel it helps you in your career and possibly, fits you the best.

Secondly, when did I ever say anyone should LOUDLY go around telling everyone they meet that they date TS's??? Personally, I think that should be private. But if you were to fall in love with a TS girl, and then choose NOT to be with her because YOU are afraid someone MIGHT find out, then yes, I would call that cowardly. Wouldn't you?

[Quinn]

True,

Interesting post; definitely a great read. You mention being in love with a TS and the decisions that this might require. I categorically agree that if love were involved, I or any man choosing to walk away from it do to the likelihood of external pressure would definitely be a coward. Love must always come fist, no matter what.

On the whole employability thing, let me first add clarity to what I consider mid-level or high-level corporate positions, which I referenced in my earlier post to you. I regard anything entailing a Director's title and at least 120K a year as mid-level management, while anything above is obviously high-level. It seems to me that at that level there is definitely a preponderance of white males (me, etc.), with everyone else generally being underrepresented -- though this is changing. At this level there are still many forms of subtle discrimination (gender, race, age, sexual orientation, etc.) that end the advancement of many good and qualified manger's careers.

If you look at new business statistics, you will find something very interesting. There are currently a number of African American, Hispanic, and gay owned business being started that dramatically overrepresented those people as a statistical percentage of the U.S. population. Most experts state that this is because these groups feel that they have better opportunities doing for themselves than relying upon the capricious and often biased tastes of pre-existing corporate structures. Many of the TGs that I know voice similar thoughts. Those that I personally know that are successful outside of the sex industry are successful because they started their own businesses.

Don't know if this adds any clarity to my position, but any enlightening responses are certainly welcomed and appreciated.

[Ecstatic]

1. I think it's mostly the money. What other job can command 200-400 an hour?
Lawyer, surgeon, Fortune 500 CEO, top level politician....yep, taking that much scratch for an "hour's" work is pretty easy pay. But that also comes back around to the question of why so many girls waste that income (though fortunately not all by any means).

[TrueBeauty TS]

1. I think it's mostly the money. What other job can command 200-400 an hour?
Lawyer, surgeon, Fortune 500 CEO, top level politician....yep, taking that much scratch for an "hour's" work is pretty easy pay. But that also comes back around to the question of why so many girls waste that income (though fortunately not all by any means).


Because it's human nature. Many people think the good times will never end. (Espcially when you are 18 years old) There are always stories of Lottery winners that are broke. Or actors that spent all their money because they didn't think about their movie career sputtering to a halt, etc, etc...

As far as the money thing goes, I was thinking in terms of an 18-25 year old tranny girl making that much money. Not too many 18-25 year old trannys that are Fortune 500 CEO's, Surgeons, Lawyers, top level politicians.....

[Ecstatic]

Well, for that matter, not many 18-25 year olds are Fortune 500 CEOs, surgeons, lawyers, or top level politicians, either. It takes time to both earn the advanced degree (for most, especially among lawyers and surgeons, though obviously not so much for President, lol) and to garner the experience required for that pay scale. So yes, for an 18-25 year old, sans a breakout pop music career, there aren't many such options.

And there's my 1000th post--I had to make it part of a meaningful dialog and not just another picture post.

And now I'm certified! Got a buck fifty for a cuppa?

[Felicia Katt]

How did you two meet?

"Oh I saw her in shemale road trip #xx and fell in love."

Better...

"Well I was dating her for a while off of the erosguide, and through that, I realized that she was the girl for me."

My guess is that it's already happened to some extent and nobody knows it. Kind of like a Tula situation before she was outted. Not all TS are stupid enough to get into the porn industry as you happen to know darlin'.

Why on earth would anyone have to provide that kind of full disclosure? I'm sure there are lots of straight couples who have met in similarly offbeat ways and never advertise it. Just say it was fate, or kismet, or tell a white lie about meeting in a club. Or a grocery store. Or at the gym. Its not like they are going to impeach you by whipping out a wireless laptop and linking to Eros, or that mp3 video file of your AVN winning performance. :)

Felicia

[Felicia Katt]

Quinn, your posts are welcome and well taken, but I have to disagree, mildly. As Ernest Hemingway said, "The very rich are different from you and me --they have more money" . Old money isn't concerned about a narrow spectrum of sexual expression. Its about discretion. The rich are every bit as diversely kinky as the rest of us, they just tend to keep it on the QT better. If you were to start dallying with GG strippers or porn stars, openly and outrageously, your career would be every bit as at risk. If you were to date that same GG stripper or porn star, but quietly and tactfully, there might be some gossip but I doubt people would pull their accounts. I think the same holds true for what would happen if you were to date a TG girl. If you kept it "in your pants" metaphorically speaking, people might notice but they probably wouldn't care. People only look closely or cross eyeed at you when you make a spectacle of yourself.

Felicia

[Ecstatic]

"Hey, aren't you the dude I saw coming out of her hotel room just before I went in about six months ago?" :evil:

[Thuggish_Intellect]

all interesting thoughts and opinions...I love it when you cats come out of the wood works with your thinking caps on...

[Quinn]

Felicia,

Love the Hemingway quote. I do agree with certain points contained within your post. First, I would certainly suffer some form of censure were I to keep company in a very public manner with stippers or porn stars, not just with a TG. I also agree that the very rich are every bit as kinky as the rest of us. In fact, in most cases, I would say they are far worse (far more extreme fetishes because of the overavailabity of everything to them).

I also agree that they are far more discreet, which is why they seem to feel so comfortable in applying a double standard to those who benefit from their largesse. In my experience, those I have had to deal with are extremely fraternal in their thinking. They do not permit indiscretions by those that serve them because it may bring their own indiscretions into focus. In other words, a guy hidding his own drug addiction is unlikely to spend time around someone else who has a similar drug addition that becomes public, etc. Think of the old guard in the Republican Party, denouncing public immorality and claiming to be the protectors of family values -- all the while cheating on their wives by banging nineteen-year-old interns and high priced escorts.

Everyone's experience may not dictate the same lesson that I have learned. As you said, it is all really a matter of discretion.

"Be not too tame neither, but let your own discretion be your tutor. Suit the action to the word, the word to the action, with this special observance, that you o'erstep not the modesty of nature. "
William Shakespeare - Hamlet

Great fucking Board this is. Laughter, sex, and interesting debates all in one place.

[Ecstatic]

Great quote, Quinn! 'Tis not often one hears Hamlet's advice to the players spoken "trippingly on the tongue" in this forum!

[bootlova]

In My line of work..... Well lets put it this way we have 1 woman on our staff of 250

They all report to me, what would they think if they knew about my fetishes....

so till this day I have kept it as a fetish and nothing more

[Vicki Richter]

In My line of work..... Well lets put it this way we have 1 woman on our staff of 250

They all report to me, what would they think if they knew about my fetishes....

so till this day I have kept it as a fetish and nothing more

Wow. Interesting. Very few companies can get away with that M to F ratio. Do you run a gay bartenders union by chance? I'm joking of course... but that is a pretty whack ratio.

[bootlova]

I am in the Auto Business... not too many women in our areana

[Bluejay]

In the UK attitudes have begun to change. Over recent years we have had a post -op transsexual win our highest rating reality show"big brother", postive media articles in nationally circulated magazines,upcoming changes in the Law to allow transsexuals to have their brith certificates amended and the impending Law allowing same sex marriage, giving the GBTL community the same rights as hetrosexuals.

In terms of the business community in the UK, very strictly enforced legislation ensures that discrimination within the work place is penalised heavily.

I work for a FTSE 100 company in a senior middle management position and was recently the victim of a serious sexually orientated hate campiagn, which invovled pornographic pictures of my girlfriend and I being sent to senior directors of my company.

At the time I thought that my position would be untenurable and decided to resign. I was extremely suprised to find that not only would they not accept my resignation,telling me"What you decide to do outside of work is nothing to do with us", they gave me a large payrise, a plumb new job role and a new car!

I've now been in a LTR with a T-girl for over 5 years, its quite common knowledge within my workplace. my colleagues attitudes have not changed towards me in a negative sense as a result.

[khun_diow]

Thuggish -- brazil -- you'll never want again...

[rocklob]

Felicia,
Just to give credit where it's due, F. Scott Fitzgerald said "The very rich are different from you and me" to which Hemingway responded "yes, they have more money". I know I'm terribly pedantic, but I think it makes Hemingway's repost even wittier.

This has been one of the most interesting threads in a while.

I hope thuggish works it out.

[Felicia Katt]

Felicia,
Just to give credit where it's due, F. Scott Fitzgerald said "The very rich are different from you and me" to which Hemingway responded "yes, they have more money". I know I'm terribly pedantic, but I think it makes Hemingway's repost even wittier.

This has been one of the most interesting threads in a while.

I hope thuggish works it out.

Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand. They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we are. They are different.
Riches
Fitzgerald, F. Scott
1896-1940 American Writer

:)

Felicia

[Thuggish_Intellect]

Felicia,
Just to give credit where it's due, F. Scott Fitzgerald said "The very rich are different from you and me" to which Hemingway responded "yes, they have more money". I know I'm terribly pedantic, but I think it makes Hemingway's repost even wittier.

This has been one of the most interesting threads in a while.

I hope thuggish works it out.

Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand. They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we are. They are different.
Riches
Fitzgerald, F. Scott
1896-1940 American Writer

:)

Felicia


Very powerful quote by F. Scott...indeed

[TexasTman]

Peoples expectations are for their movie stars, music stars ...etc. to be mainstream. By mainstream they mean "normal" heterosexuals. That does not mean that they particularly give a shit what someone does behind closed doors but they would probably rather not know about it. They would rather "imagine" that their favorite action hero is a staunch heterosexual rather than a pillow-biting, ankle-grabbing dandy. It is all about the perception. That is why there are so many gay actors that have "beards" for companions. They, rightfully, know that image is everything and they need to maintain the image that will sell tickets or cds or whatever. I always laugh when someone acts surprised to find out that some famous actor is "really" gay. I mean come on folks...most of the successful actors where in the drama clubs in high school. Of course there is a higher percentage of gay people in the "arts".

Most people have a hard time suspending reality and fantasy so they want their favorite "celebrities" to be straight.

We may see the day when a man comes out with a TG girlfriend or wife but I suspect that whoever that person is, they will be financially and professionally scorned.

Mainstream sells! We do not live in a perfect world. We live in a world where we want to believe what we want to believe.

[Paladin]

1. I think it's mostly the money. What other job can command 200-400 an hour?


Sure, and they make this money 8 hours a day, 5 days a week with paid vacations, health ins (for what it's worth here in the US) retirement, profit sharing, stock options, etc all included.

Right.

Get real folks.

[Paladin]

Think of the old guard in the Republican Party, denouncing public immorality and claiming to be the protectors of family values -- all the while cheating on their wives by banging nineteen-year-old interns and high priced escorts.

Umm,

I think you have this confused. it was DEMOCRATIC former president "slick Willy" bill (thank god that's over) clinton who messed this shit up so badly that now our teenage daughters think oral sex is not sex because "the president said so"...

[TominNYC]

Think of the old guard in the Republican Party, denouncing public immorality and claiming to be the protectors of family values -- all the while cheating on their wives by banging nineteen-year-old interns and high priced escorts.

Umm,

I think you have this confused. it was DEMOCRATIC former president "slick Willy" bill (thank god that's over) clinton who messed this shit up so badly that now our teenage daughters think oral sex is not sex because "the president said so"...

[TominNYC]

Think of the old guard in the Republican Party, denouncing public immorality and claiming to be the protectors of family values -- all the while cheating on their wives by banging nineteen-year-old interns and high priced escorts.

Umm,

I think you have this confused. it was DEMOCRATIC former president "slick Willy" bill (thank god that's over) clinton who messed this shit up so badly that now our teenage daughters think oral sex is not sex because "the president said so"...

Another Republican "family values" opinion from a guy who likes to suck TS cock on the side..Give me a break !!!

[Ecstatic]

Slick Willy may have had some personal control issues (like, pretty dumb choice for a guy with an IQ of 160 as President to let a babe blow him in the White House), but the real issue is the hypocrisy of those Republicans who pound the Bible with one hand and wave the flag with the other while seeing Tgirls and GG escorts on the side.

[Paladin]

Think of the old guard in the Republican Party, denouncing public immorality and claiming to be the protectors of family values -- all the while cheating on their wives by banging nineteen-year-old interns and high priced escorts.

Umm,

I think you have this confused. it was DEMOCRATIC former president "slick Willy" bill (thank god that's over) clinton who messed this shit up so badly that now our teenage daughters think oral sex is not sex because "the president said so"...

Another Republican "family values" opinion from a guy who likes to suck TS cock on the side..Give me a break !!!

Speak for yourself.

You libs better get off that horse or you'll all end up sucking usama's hairy smelly (and probably lice infested) cock!

[Ecstatic]

Who or what is "usama"?!

(I get it, but at least as a "lib" I can spell, and I refrain from making such wild connections: how on earth do you get from slick Willy getting a blow job that he lied about to liberals sucking Osama Bin Laden's cock?!)

[Quinn]

Paladin,

The first quote which you attributed to me -- "1. I think it's mostly the money. What other job can command 200-400 an hour?" -- was actually posted by TrueBeauty TS. If you are going to respond critically to a post, at least attribute it to the right person.

Your second response to my criticism of the "old guard in the Republican Party" is also misplaced. Do not confuse it with anything approximating an endorsement of the Democratic Party or Clinton. The fact is that I can't stand either party; the Democratic Party's elite are just as bad, only in a different way. Anyone having faith that either party can effectively implement policies that will make their daily lives better is simply wrong. It's all about what a person can do to make their own lives better.

-Quinn

[partlycloudy]

I have a dilema...and it seems to only be getting worse with time. I am under the assumption that there are guys on this board who are in similar situations such as me (public figure, entertainer, position of trust, personality, etc.)...in my particular line of work, this is taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaboooooooooooooooooo to the point of anything closely relating to homosexuality will dead your career.

My question is, is there a silent code of conduct amongst the girls as to who they've dated that's famous? Because all the stories of Eddie Murphy, a few basketball players, and a few rockers/rappers i've heard kind of pushes me off...


honestly

that's why i haven't attended any parties because of the lack of VIP rooms...where pavaratzi can't snap pics of you and all...to an extent it's the reason why I haven't considered "dating" straight up girls that i've chatted with online who seem to be cool as ice...help me out guys...

[romeo]

partlycloudy you're a genius!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: ....good advice

[khun_diow]

Who or what is "usama"?! -- ecstatic

osama bin ladin is the roman phonetic spelling of an arabic name. Because the names origin is from arabic, and we cannot sound out or make sense of their alphabet, we as English speaking people, represent the word [in this case a name] in a phonetic spelling we understand.

Often there is no standard. I notice that overseas in muslim countries, se Asia, indonesia, that they use usama instead of osama. I believe that the word in question is more of a title than a name, but since our news sources shovel out crap faster than some 'posters' we will never know.

Any way why not take the poster at his word and help rather than fight.

arkun sobsiday <---an excellent example of western phonteticism

[Ecstatic]

Thank you, khun_diow. I knew this, and had no problem with the title "usama", but was responding in the context of the shovels-full of poor spelling and disinformation the poster in question was passing on. Out of context, it looks like I knew no better, but I do; what we have in either "osama" or "usama" is a transliteration of another language, and in particular a non-European language, and as such the only "rules" are those conventions used in representing the phonemes of that language with the Latinate alphabet. (As a matter of fact, English itself suffers from a horrendous history of poor transliteration, yielding our horrific spelling patterns, but that's another subject for another day.)

[radar]

IMHO -- This is a great example of what is fucked up about American political discourse. Why isn't there a party that says: (a) if you work hard and earn your cash you can keep it and what cash we do take we'll use to kill terrorists (i.e. the Repubs) and (b) if you want to suck some she-cock (or watch videos of others sucking she-cock) in your off time that's your business, we don't care (i.e. the Dems). When somebody creates that party, they'll have my vote.

[Felicia Katt]

Radar, its the Libertarian party and I think they got about .0001 percent of the vote in the last election.

Felicia

[hondarobot]

Thuggish,

I doubt that I would be considered very high-profile or a celebrity, which is fine because I work to maintain anonymity, but I am in a position of trust (corporate fiduciary obligations, etc.) -- the continued profitability of which demands that I maintain a certain public image. Many of those who choose to put their finances at the disposal of my investment company are "old money types" who would not have their faith in me, my business partners, or my company reinforced by the disclosure of my occasional interest in "the third sex."

They see the graduate degrees, the culture, and the financial success that we all know doesn't truly determine my worth as a person. I don't work to dispel their image of me, but use it to my advantage. The truth of my identity and interests is something I choose to share only with highly trusted friends.

My recommendations for maintaining your protected status are as follows:

1. Do not use the services of escorts.

2. Pick the shemales you choose to share your time with very carefully.

3. Choose your destinations carefully. When spending time with
shemale friends in Manhattan, I know a number of special clubs,
restaurants, etc. where nobody talks about what they see. Privacy
and anonymity are guaranteed. Find similar places.

Some ladies will tell you that if you aren’t proud to be seen with them, then you don’t deserve them. This usually reflects a shallow understanding of the situation and should be dismissed – along with the lady making such a statement. It’s your financial future at stake, not their own.

Damn. I guess he's not a mercenary or whatever. He's definitely a very important person, though.

:)

This applies to the rest of the Honda Patrol. You guy's score with girls all the time, I'm sure. That's why you're here all the time......

:lol:

[Quinn]

ROTFLMAO... So, what you're saying is that you couldn't find anything to back up your assertion that I said I worked in the security business. Once again, we’re all shocked.


Please provide some credible evidence that you run some sort of security business (as you originally stated). I don't think you do.


I'm pretty sure you said that was your occupation.

Oh, and don't feel bad about being too stupid to remember what actually has and has not been said on this forum. We don't expect anymore from you than the Imbecilic, drunken rants you are so predisposed to. Now, run along to your dead-end job in that club you're always talking about, dreaming of one-day achieving even a hint of success. Fortunately for this forum’s collective sense of humor, you can always come to HA and tell us about how you think you're a transsexual – that was a good one – or how you spend your spare time fighting pimps:



Soooo, I go out drinking yesterday with my buddy Weebo around 3pm. We hung out on the patio at the Monte Carlo with a mutual friend who is currently making a small fortune on ebay. We drank and told stories and had a great time, but after six beers it was time to move on.

We made our way to the Hilton hotel, Weebo is seeing a girl at the moment who's a waitress there. She hooked us up with food, whiskey and beer and we had fun, talking too loud and irritating the people in the bar. We left eventually, and this is where memory fails me for a brief time.

I ended up back in my apartment with a hooker. Not an escort or anything fancy, just a reasonably attractive, early 20's, kinda nervous street hooker. I don't pick up hookers at all, actually, so this was somewhat odd, but what the hell? I don't remember meeting her either, but these things happen. I got us both some drinks and we sat and talked on my couch, then there was a knock on my door.

This goofy guy with glasses walked in and did just what a person would expect him to do, and I laughed at him. He was getting tough, talking shit, and I told him "Shut the fuck up! You're not talking to Joe Lunchbox here. I know this fuckin game and you've been on at least three security cameras just coming up here. I'm going to hang out with your girl, have some drinks, and you're going to walk the fuck away or I'm going to stick a fucking sword in your eye and the cops will call it self defense."

I showed him the sword that I intended to use if things got ugly.

He didn't have anything to say in response, and he left. So I hung out with the girl, although right now I have no idea what we talked about. At the moment half of my bottle of whiskey is gone, and there is an empty can of Miller Genuine Draft next to my sink (she must of had it in her pocket), so I imagine we blabbed for quite awhile. I asked her what her rate was at some point, and she said $30 for a blowjob. I gave her $40, kissed her on the forehead, and told her to stay away from that dipshit pimp, and that I thought she was a very sweet girl. And no, there was no sex (although I did play with her tits for awhile, she had nice tits).

And then she left.

Somewhat strange evening.

I don't know why I'm posting this. It's a true story, and it happened last night. Just one of those things.

The moral: Guys, always be nice to girls, even if they drink Miller Genuine Draft. Cute girls are good people. And if a pimp tries to shake you down, it's good to have a weapon nearby (although, in my case, it's not even a real sword, but work with what you have).

:)

Thanks for making this so amusingly easy.

-Quinn

[cass1980]

I've really enjoyed this post. Quinn (in particular) had some very interesting observations.

I work in theatre. Needless to say, it is a very gay friendly industry. I have always kept this portion of my life secret. At some level I'll 'fess up to being ashamed of it. But the main reason I've never let this become public is because I don't want it to define who I am.

The Tgirl world is a murky one. Everyone who comes to this board draws their line in the sand in a different location. I know exactly where my line in the sand is. I'm comfortable with it.

If I were to let my colleges at work know about this part of my life, I would be treated differently. Some would distance themselves from me. Others would draw closer. Some would start pushing me to go out to the gay bar all dolled up. Others would try to talk me into jumping up on stage for a drag show.

That's not my comfort zone. It's not my wish. It's not my fantasy.

Do some of my colleges know? Probably. I think it's impossible to be totally careful. I work with people who have much sharper antennas than most for this topic.

I think people need to put others in categories. It's how our little brains work. We do it automatically. At this point in our evolution, that tiny slice of a category that I'd like to be in, simply does not exist. So people try to put me in a larger category that has been somewhat defined.

[tsntx]

play down who you are by being anonoymous and stop telling ppl youre somebody... eventually ull find a cool girl who doesnt know who the fuck you are... take ur time and talk it out via a dating site or online when ure comfortable meeting her... do it if u feel u can trust her... i think a reputable escort is the best way to go.. and if u dont tell her ure somebody... shell prob NEVER know

hope that doesnt bruise ur ego.. but thats reality

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

play down who you are by being anonoymous and stop telling ppl youre somebody... eventually ull find a cool girl who doesnt know who the fuck you are... take ur time and talk it out via a dating site or online when ure comfortable meeting her... do it if u feel u can trust her... i think a reputable escort is the best way to go.. and if u dont tell her ure somebody... shell prob NEVER know

hope that doesnt bruise ur ego.. but thats reality

I agree! You can either do that or try wearing ( a leather mask like a lot of men do on a BDSM session) when meeting a TS in a private setting. Therefore, guaranteeing you discreetness..only til you really know this Tgirl through time and is comfortable enough with her to divulge that you are 'somebody'! LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[JANIRA]

play down who you are by being anonoymous and stop telling ppl youre somebody... eventually ull find a cool girl who doesnt know who the fuck you are... take ur time and talk it out via a dating site or online when ure comfortable meeting her... do it if u feel u can trust her... i think a reputable escort is the best way to go.. and if u dont tell her ure somebody... shell prob NEVER know

hope that doesnt bruise ur ego.. but thats reality


AGREED! Scope it out first and be cautious that it the best advise i can give you. Also, from expieriance , in 1999-2000 I met a R&B artist, in south beach who was very very big in the scene at the time.... i had no clue what so ever who he was and my friend who i was with was like having a attack cause she knew who he was,, , so to make a long story short, he ended up giving me his hotel& room number, i was like, uhmm ok,,?? so i went for it,,, And i called him up before i went to see him, and just made sure he knew i was a TS he had some idea, but considering that in south beach all the clubs are mixed, so he said sure its no problem . I got there and we did the ""DO" AND HONESTLY HE WAS VERY VERY RUDE!!!!I mean after we did what we did, he was just so arrogant and i guess the reality hit him that he was with a TS, and he i guess regret the whole ordeal ,, he wasnt the only one who regrets it.

[drock]

Since you have/had regrets about doing it with him can you please tell us who it was?? come on you women should stop protecting these ass holes go ahead and out them. I'm sure i'm not the only one who wants to know who he is.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

I have a dilema...and it seems to only be getting worse with time. I am under the assumption that there are guys on this board who are in similar situations such as me (public figure, entertainer, position of trust, personality, etc.)...in my particular line of work, this is taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaboooooooooooooooooo to the point of anything closely relating to homosexuality will dead your career.

My question is, is there a silent code of conduct amongst the girls as to who they've dated that's famous? Because all the stories of Eddie Murphy, a few basketball players, and a few rockers/rappers i've heard kind of pushes me off...


honestly

that's why i haven't attended any parties because of the lack of VIP rooms...where pavaratzi can't snap pics of you and all...to an extent it's the reason why I haven't considered "dating" straight up girls that i've chatted with online who seem to be cool as ice...help me out guys...

Who told you you were so frickin' important??? You got balls?? Or, did someone relieve you of them?