Is there any money for male performers in transsexual films?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I believe 300 is the standard.

[flabbybody]

in the TV/CD genre, the guys are usually enthusiastic volunteers.

[WendyWilliams]

Just a note it is NOT considered to be part of the gay genre.........It is classified as Speciality Straight.

Average pay is 200-500 (500 high end for the reliable males).

[panama_red]

And yet they still talk about how females are exploited in the porn industry... :roll:

[BDJAMES]

I've been in several TS films and have been paid $500 a scene. In one of the films I could have earned a thousand if I agreed to get fucked. I passed. But to be honest the reason I was paid the measley $500 and offered a thousand was because the talent wanted to work with me. If not for that they would have paid some dirtbag a couple of hundred bucks or less to do the scenes.

[WendyWilliams]

Measley? Males in the straight industry are working for 500-600 a scene. Im sorry guys but usually the people buying the dvd's are looking at the girls not the guys! (in most cases).......If you was offered a 1000 then you really have a VERY generous director with a BIG budget. I do know that Joey pays very good to his guys but he also pays amazing money to his girls! However to say 500 is measley is hillarious!

There is no way most companies are going to pay a newbie anything amazing especially in the beginning since most guys say "oh I can do that" and show up on set and cant deliver! Usually guys start at or around 300 and if they stay in the business (Christian, Vin Deacon) then their pay will increase.

Now if you want to get paid 1000 then do a strap-on video and you DESERVE that since there are VERY few guys who are willing to do it in a "straight" video!

Why would a guy receive a 1000 when most tgirls are being paid 1000-1500? Its not very likely and if it does happen then you should take it, LOL.

Wendy

[ottorocket]

Jeezz thats chump change for what the vids gross... Performers should form a picket line.

[Nikka]

there is no money in porn

[justatransgirl]

Not in my films honey... just be glad I don't charge YOU!

Besides like Wendy says, all you are is a prop.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[GroobySteven]

Jeezz thats chump change for what the vids gross... Performers should form a picket line.

How do you know what DVD's gross? The income actually is very low from a DVD comparitively and most companies rely on releasing 100's of titles a year to bring in decent amounts.

$300 to $500 for a male performer. Don't like it? We'll get someone else - customers are paying for the TS NOT for the male performer. Christian, Diezel, etc are worth paying the extra money for as they are good at what they do.

seanchai

[ottorocket]

Jeezz thats chump change for what the vids gross... Performers should form a picket line.

How do you know what DVD's gross? The income actually is very low from a DVD comparitively and most companies rely on releasing 100's of titles a year to bring in decent amounts.

$300 to $500 for a male performer. Don't like it? We'll get someone else - customers are paying for the TS NOT for the male performer. Christian, Diezel, etc are worth paying the extra money for as they are good at what they do.

seanchai


Kink.com (here in SF) employees are friends of mine who've worked in all areas of porn production for years. I've worked (non-performer) with industry people, from editing friends in Chatsworth, CA to providing personal protection consulting to Playboy enterprises, and other aspects of the escort business. As a business, producing a DVD for retail is not a terribly expensive investment at any stage for the ROI regardless if you have to produce many different varieties. $300 is a steal. Basically yeah, the male performers should expect a box of cracker jacks.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I want to be a product of HA, HA PORN!

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

500 dollars for appearing in a ts porn film? Thats laughable. Ive no doubt that its the going rate but its still laughable. So many negatives, you get known as 'oh look its that chap whos fucks/gets fucked by trannys'.

Why any guy would consider doing it is beyond me. I can earn 1000 per night from dancing at a gay strip night where no cameras are allowed. Or 300 for a 30 min show...what man in his right mind would start appearing in ts porn for 500 dollars. :lol:


Not in my films honey... just be glad I don't charge YOU!

Besides like Wendy says, all you are is a prop.


Exactly, so thats why i guess you get the creme da la creme in your films. Big sexy ripped guys with 9 inch cocks right? Because all those guys are just queing up to pay to fuk you right? ERRRRRR....NO! :lol:

[BADAZZBODY]

MEN ARE MORE THIRSTY FOR JUST SEX WITH A HOT CHICK ..SOMETIMES THEY WILL DO IT FOR FREE JUST FOR FUK..SIGN THE MODELS RELEASE AND ID ..JUST FOR SOME SEX,..THEY MIGHT EVEN PAY U TO DO A PORN WITH A GIRL ..

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

MEN ARE MORE THIRSTY FOR JUST SEX WITH A HOT CHICK ..SOMETIMES THEY WILL DO IT FOR FREE JUST FOR FUK..SIGN THE MODELS RELEASE AND ID ..JUST FOR SOME SEX,..THEY MIGHT EVEN PAY U TO DO A PORN WITH A GIRL ..

Serious question here. What type of guys do you think would do that?

What type of guys do you think are so thirsty for sex (and in 75% of all porn films the girl part isnt even attractive, without their makeup they look total mess) that theyd pay money to be in a porn film? Thats even more degrading than paying money to see a prostitute.

What type of men do you think will do this? Please dont tar all men with the same brush. There are some men out there who can have sex with whenever they like, for free whenever they want, even make money themselves (if they chose to). Most of the top guys out there will go out to a few bars and clubs and take 3 numbers off fit gg's in each the venues they go to, giving them around 12 numbers by the end of the night of girls they have selected.

These girls will then be used for sex at a later date.

Please dont generalise that all men are thirsty for sex and definately not all men will pay for sex. Thankyou.

[PghTGrlLvr]

500 bucks.............shit, if I was single (and still in my 20s) I'd say SIGN ME UP!! It would sure beat actually humpin' (as in manual labor) your dick off for a livin'.

Givin' or gettin' I'd be your man. That's right.
Geez. I am a slut ain't I.................

[Nikka]

there is no money in porn DVD´s

[Bluntasaurus-Rex]

I'd gladly do it completley free, holla at me ladies :D

[flabbybody]

after watching Alyssa and Danika go at each other on a shemaleyum vid, who needs dudes?
never thought tg on tg could be that hot.

and Tony Vee usually has the girl bring her own guy for hardcore, so who needs pros? (yes, I got asked once and totally chickened out)

[timxxx]

Before you start feeling sorry for U.S performers,think about what the performers in Brazil & Thailand are getting paid.

[justatransgirl]

Yes, Seanchi is right. The majority of porn videos, TS or otherwise don't make any money. Some make a little, a very few make a bundle. And almost all have a very short lifespan.

Personally if I'm asked to perform for someone else, I'm happy to get paid up front. Especially if it's with Jessica. I mean getting paid to have sex with one's lover - what in the world can possibly be better than that. So I really don't care what the amount is - pay us and let's shoot a vid!

And I'm no sex pot, but I understand the photography/media business, so I know a couple of times Jessica and I have been hired simply because we are easy to work with, we show up on time, sober, with our hair brushed. We are HAPPY to do as we are asked too the best of our ability, and we don't have unrealistic expectations that we should be entitled to a million bucks just because we are "porn stars."

My best advice to anyone wanting to be in porn. Guy or girl. Be nice and fun to work with. Don't be a prima donna. And maybe someone will call you back, and when that happens 20 times or so you can probably ask for a little more money. But until then go and have some fun, you never know what the next day will bring.


From a producer standpoint. We work on basically a zero budget. In my films, nobody gets anything up front, but everyone gets a share of the net. If the video tanks, well at least we had a little fun. If it does well, everyone makes money.

I personally LOVE roylaties. I still get about a thousand a year from photos I shot as a photojournlalist in the 1990's that are still out with agencies. It trickles in $20 or $50 at a time, but it adds up and a few months ago I got a check for $600 for a photo I shot of a flood in 1993 that was used in a textbook.

I always remember "Linda Lovelace" who was paid something like $1,250.00 for "Deep Throat" which went on to gross over 100 million. Actually as I recall her BF/pimp got the money. Talk about getting fucked...

With adult video a production house plays the numbers game, some vids lose money, some break even and occasionally they get a hit. But THEY are the ones taking the risk, and doing most of the work. And yes, they are going to be the one's making most of the profit. That's just the way it is.

If you don't like it, do like Jessica and I did and buy a room full of computers (I think we have 8 ) spend 5 grand for a HDTV camera another grand for lights, a few terrabytes of back up hard drives, about 5 grand worth of software, a high speed disc copier, shrink wrap packaging equipment, etc and start your own house.

Oh yeah, don't forget - the distributor gets 40% of the retail, your LAWYER, rent, web hosting, accounting, and TAXES will eat up the rest. Yeah, don't forget that little headache, there's no hiding video income, it's all credit card.

Suddenly $300 or a grand for a couple of hours of hot sex ain't so bad is it?

Giggle,
TS Jamie
Executive Producer
JustaTransGirl.com Prodcutions, Inc. (giggle)

[Nikka]

there is no money in Mainstream

[deke]

Now if you want to get paid 1000 then do a strap-on video and you DESERVE that since there are VERY few guys who are willing to do it in a "straight" video!

Really? Now that's very interesting. I admit that girl-on-guy strap-on videos are something I actively enjoy watching. I've seen more and more titles on the market lately too. And it appears that there is a good variety of guys in them. Not the same 2 or 3 or whatever.

Do you think it is becoming more "common" and that there are more and more "willing" guys to do it than there were in the past?

[buster]

This entire thread is a good reality check. I always assumed that the top Trans paysites were raking it in because their videos were shot with expensive equipment and posted on slick websites.

Is a subscription paysite more profitable than producing DVDs?

[GroobySteven]

Is a subscription paysite more profitable than producing DVDs?
Most are if done right.

A Buddy Wood DVD might cost in the region of $17k to make including performers, locations, etc and duplication. That is with our in-house editors, graphic artists and DVD authors - add another $3000-$5000 if you don't have them in house.

We sell online DVD's for about $30 and get most of that amount.
We wholesale through a distributor for between $12-$18 per piece but the disributor takes 30% usually.

We have to pay advertising costs and such.

So for every 100 we sell online we make about $3000
For every 100 we sell through distribution we make about $1000.
70% of our sales are through distibution.

The DVD's will make their money back but they take many months to do so - although the advent of PPV/VOD is helping. We produce DVD's for as much publicity as anything else. For example, we make practically nothing from DVD rental stores but we're hoping that everyone who sees that DVD on the shelf, then remembers our name or checks out the site - which is why on every title of our DVD's the website name is mentioned.

I thought something like a Joey Silvera Rogue DVD would have sold something in the region of 100,000 items worldwide over it's lifetime. The reality is a fraction of that.

Websites used to be easy to do. They're now incredibly difficult with not only competition but the amount of stolen, free porn that we have to compete with. Many avenues of advertising which used to be free (yahoo/google/etc) is now more difficult or expensive to get a decent listing. The advantage of the websites is the ability to get the product to the consumer and bill them rapidly - and the ease at which a consumer can get the product. Companies like ours try hard to brand the product and create a consumer group who likes the product and wants to continue to purchase from you. This is why all the sites have very personal touches as we have a relationship with each customer.

seanchai

[GroobySteven]

Before you start feeling sorry for U.S performers,think about what the performers in Brazil & Thailand are getting paid.

Performers in Brazil and Thailand get a much better comparitive rate of pay than in the US.

[SXFX]

*shakes head*
Ok I'm sorry but you want to pay me to make love to a gorgeous girl? Maybe spend some quality time with her. Tell her a few jokes and offer to take her out for ice cream?
DUUUUUHHHH!
Where do I sign up!

[Nikka]

the IS no money in porn,believe me, visit this link:

http://www.nomoneyinporn.com/

[NRT]

Well from reading the above contributions from those who work in the industry, one would think the business works on a shoestring with small profits and the odd lucky title that sells well.

If that is so, why is the porn industry still so big especially in LA? I read its a multi billion dollar industry nearly as big if not bigger than hollywood.

Is the wool being pulled over our eyes? If there was no money in it, and little profit, why do so many porm companies like Private, have such big shoots in exotic locations, upscale mansions with plenty of fit stunning models. That all dont come cheap or would be possible if what the producers on here are saying. Why not let the cat out of the bag. Isnt the porn trade perfect for money laundering, which is how they can afford those big budget films?

[slinky]

The two times we shot 22 scenes in one day, I think our budget for male performers for the entire day was around $1,000.

[Nikka]

The two times we shot 22 scenes in one day, I think our budget for male performers for the entire day was around $1,000.

22 scenes in one day? LOL...

u got tired?

[timxxx]

Before you start feeling sorry for U.S performers,think about what the performers in Brazil & Thailand are getting paid.

Performers in Brazil and Thailand get a much better comparitive rate of pay than in the US.

I find that hard to believe but you're the professional, I'll take your word for it.
I suppose the magic word in your answer is "comparitive".

[justatransgirl]

Yeah, and Seanchi isn't making any money, which is why he's got TWO Jags...

And I know Buddy Wood isn't making any money, cause when he lived near me, my house was waaay better than his... :-)

I'm not making any money either, because Jessica is too busy playing video games on her $3,000 super computer to edit the damm film.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[timxxx]

the IS no money in porn,believe me, visit this link:

http://www.nomoneyinporn.com/

Yeah,Yeah :lies but l bet you love your work.

[GroobySteven]

Before you start feeling sorry for U.S performers,think about what the performers in Brazil & Thailand are getting paid.

Performers in Brazil and Thailand get a much better comparitive rate of pay than in the US.

I find that hard to believe but you're the professional, I'll take your word for it.
I suppose the magic word in your answer is "comparitive".

Yep. You figure that the rent in Thailand for a one bedroom decent enough apartment might be $150 a month ... and a performer gets probably $150 a month, it's a better deal than performer in the US.

[slinky]

I believe the operative word was comparative (try getting a Brit to get paid in dollars and you'll see what happens.


But Steven, isn't this true about shooting in just about all Third World countries?

[GroobySteven]

I believe the operative word was comparative (try getting a Brit to get paid in dollars and you'll see what happens.


But Steven, isn't this true about shooting in just about all Third World countries?

Yes of course, but not just shooting but any form of business really. Thailand isn't 3rd world though - I don't think Brazil is either although I've seen more poverty in Brazil than anywhere else I've visited.

[OEMEnemyNum1]

Interesting Topic, i'll sit back for a minute

[justatransgirl]

Yep. You figure that the rent in Thailand for a one bedroom decent enough apartment might be $150 a month ... and a performer gets probably $150 a month, it's a better deal than performer in the US.

Sheesh - no wonder I'm broke - our 1 bedroom condo costs us $1,600 + utilities.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[OEMEnemyNum1]

Ouch, Where is that Jamie?

[justatransgirl]

Ouch, Where is that Jamie?

San Diego.

But OK I admit, we do live in a guarded resort style complex near Mission Bay... it's not exactly slumming.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[DJ_Asia]

Yep. You figure that the rent in Thailand for a one bedroom decent enough apartment might be $150 a month ... and a performer gets probably $150 a month, it's a better deal than performer in the US.

Sheesh - no wonder I'm broke - our 1 bedroom condo costs us $1,600 + utilities.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

Pretty much what Seanchai said is true.Comparatively speaking factor in cost of living here and in Brasil to the states and the talent is making a good wage compared to the average bear.

The 2 Thai sisters who work at my gym put in 6 days per week 6 hours per day and they make 12000 baht per month= 400 USD per month.

[hondarobot]

Yep. You figure that the rent in Thailand for a one bedroom decent enough apartment might be $150 a month ... and a performer gets probably $150 a month, it's a better deal than performer in the US.

Sheesh - no wonder I'm broke - our 1 bedroom condo costs us $1,600 + utilities.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

Pretty much what Seanchai said is true.Comparatively speaking factor in cost of living here and in Brasil to the states and the talent is making a good wage compared to the average bear.

The 2 Thai sisters who work at my gym put in 6 days per week 6 hours per day and they make 12000 baht per month= 400 USD per month.

36 hours a week, for $400 a month? How the hell can a person live off that? Even if rent/utilities is under $200 (which seems impossible), that leaves $50/week for living expenses. That's crazy.

[GroobySteven]

Lunch is 50c.

How can someone live on minimum wage in the US should be your real question???

[Sly Fox]

I live on 345 € of the state, and with it everything must be paid!
And, nevertheless, then I go to you...

[Nowhere]

I'm a bit baffled at the low sales that are out there. Is it because the market is saturated with content or because this is more a niche than we perceive?

I've always presumed that all of the sites out there license the videos and thereby the production company and performers get residuals, much like songs on the radio give the songwriter / performer a cut every time they're shown. I take it that's not the case then?

Additionally, i've heard numerous times in other places than here that tporn is the fastest growing category, so either that's false or there's something else going on here. :?

[hondarobot]

Lunch is 50c.

How can someone live on minimum wage in the US should be your real question???

I have no idea how they do it. I couldn't imagine.

[DJ_Asia]

Lunch is 50c.

How can someone live on minimum wage in the US should be your real question???

I have no idea how they do it. I couldn't imagine.

This is why Brasil and Thailand are both major sex tourism destinations....guys come here meet an internet famous ladyboy and you fuck her all night for 60 bucks.You just got the ride of a lifetime for pennies and shes happy as can be that she can ake so much $$$ in such little time.

[GroobySteven]

I'm a bit baffled at the low sales that are out there. Is it because the market is saturated with content or because this is more a niche than we perceive?

I've always presumed that all of the sites out there license the videos and thereby the production company and performers get residuals, much like songs on the radio give the songwriter / performer a cut every time they're shown. I take it that's not the case then?

Additionally, i've heard numerous times in other places than here that tporn is the fastest growing category, so either that's false or there's something else going on here. :?

Nobody gets residuals as far as I know. The producer owns the film.
DVD's are dead - the industry is online.

[hondarobot]

The whole damn thing seems weird. Producers are rich, performers are suppose to be happy with fifty cent lunches.

That doesn't make sense to me. If you're honest, it doesn't.

[justatransgirl]

I'm a bit baffled at the low sales that are out there. Is it because the market is saturated with content or because this is more a niche than we perceive?

I've always presumed that all of the sites out there license the videos and thereby the production company and performers get residuals, much like songs on the radio give the songwriter / performer a cut every time they're shown. I take it that's not the case then?

Additionally, i've heard numerous times in other places than here that tporn is the fastest growing category, so either that's false or there's something else going on here. :?

Well Seanchi and the other guys would know a lot more than I - but yes if you look at Craigslist for example. The TS escort ads are about 1% of the GG ads. So if that averages across to the rest, then we are like 1% of the overall market - and in reality it's probably smaller than that.

But there's 6 BILLION people on the planet! And as TS's become more visible and accepted, more and more guys (and girls) are joining the party. So I think yes, it's a growing sector.

And I have no clue how people survive on mininum wage, especially in San Diego and California. They are married and each work 2 or 3 jobs and live in cheap housing with 5 relatives.

The median average wage in San Diego for example is $67,000 year. It takes roughly $120,000 to afford the average home here. Yet according to a study done here 3 years ago, only 4% of transsexuals earn that much or above and 38% earn less than $15,000.

Sigh,
TS Jamie :-)

[justatransgirl]

The whole damn thing seems weird. Producers are rich, performers are suppose to be happy with fifty cent lunches.

That doesn't make sense to me. If you're honest, it doesn't.

Honey that's the way the world works. Bill Gates is a billionaire and the guy at Best Buy selling "Office," earns min wage.

Remember Randolph Hearst. Megamillionaire and he paid his newspaper workers so little they rioted.

And on and on...

But they take the risk, and reap the rewards. I make a lot more $$ on a video I produce than from the couple I've performed in for others. But like I think I said earlier we shot a couple that sold like 50 copies...

And I'm not about to quit my day job - well actually it's my night job... see photo below.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[hondarobot]

The whole damn thing seems weird. Producers are rich, performers are suppose to be happy with fifty cent lunches.

That doesn't make sense to me. If you're honest, it doesn't.

Honey that's the way the world works. Bill Gates is a billionaire and the guy at Best Buy selling "Office," earns min wage.

Remember Randolph Hearst. Megamillionaire and he paid his newspaper workers so little they rioted.

And on and on...

But they take the risk, and reap the rewards. I make a lot more $$ on a video I produce than from the couple I've performed in for others. But like I think I said earlier we shot a couple that sold like 50 copies...

And I'm not about to quit my day job - well actually it's my night job... see photo below.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

"Reaping the rewards" is greedy, evil thinking. I don't know why people can't figure this out.

A project should involve equal work, equal pay, split evenly. It's pretty easy, but maybe I'm stupid.

[GroobySteven]

The whole damn thing seems weird. Producers are rich, performers are suppose to be happy with fifty cent lunches.

That doesn't make sense to me. If you're honest, it doesn't.

Your an idiot once again.
Stay out of grown up conversations.

I eat 50c lunches in Thailand. They're excellent.

Fucking McDonalds in Hawaii does a 50c menu practically!

Go take your sneakers off and burn them if your crying over the discrepancy between manufacturing in poor countries and people making more money than the factory workers by selling them in the US/Europe ... and of coures, Asia.

[GroobySteven]

It's pretty easy, but maybe I'm stupid.

Finally some sense from you.

[DJ_Asia]

The whole damn thing seems weird. Producers are rich, performers are suppose to be happy with fifty cent lunches.

That doesn't make sense to me. If you're honest, it doesn't.

You think thats bad you should consider the laws laid down by the Go-Go bars here,the ones made famous in the "Street Action" thread.

The bars give the girls only 2 days off per month.If the girl misses more than that she must pay a 500 baht fine per day missed(about 17 bucks)....which given the cost of living and earning potrential is quite a stiff fine.

I dunno about you but 28 days per month at any job is insane,let alone a job where night in and night out you have a fat hairy drunk foreigner fucking you up the ass....its easy to understand why so many girls are Yaba heads.

[hondarobot]

The whole damn thing seems weird. Producers are rich, performers are suppose to be happy with fifty cent lunches.

That doesn't make sense to me. If you're honest, it doesn't.

Your an idiot once again.
Stay out of grown up conversations.

I eat 50c lunches in Thailand. They're excellent.

Fucking McDonalds in Hawaii does a 50c menu practically!

Go take your sneakers off and burn them if your crying over the discrepancy between manufacturing in poor countries and people making more money than the factory workers by selling them in the US/Europe ... and of coures, Asia.

I have army boots, but they are probably made in sweat shops also. I need to learn how to manufacture boots out of cat's hide. Mine are getting pretty old (both boots and cats).

[hondarobot]

The whole damn thing seems weird. Producers are rich, performers are suppose to be happy with fifty cent lunches.

That doesn't make sense to me. If you're honest, it doesn't.

Your an idiot once again.
Stay out of grown up conversations.

I eat 50c lunches in Thailand. They're excellent.

Fucking McDonalds in Hawaii does a 50c menu practically!

Go take your sneakers off and burn them if your crying over the discrepancy between manufacturing in poor countries and people making more money than the factory workers by selling them in the US/Europe ... and of coures, Asia.

Bullshit. Hawaii does not have a 50 cent menu. That's on the scale of buying candy at the general store in "Little House On The Prairie".

[GroobySteven]

I said practically dumbass - they do have a $1 menu not that I eat there.
At least in Thailand for 50c you can get roast pork, veg and rice.

[hondarobot]

I said practically dumbass - they do have a $1 menu not that I eat there.
At least in Thailand for 50c you can get roast pork, veg and rice.

You can get roast pork and etc for 50c in Thailand? I'm sure you're not lying, but that seems pretty crazy. I'm sure anyone would think that. 50c doesn't buy anything here.

Oh, the dollar menu at McDonalds? That probably gets you a cheese burger. Not much of a lunch. I'm just saying.

[justatransgirl]

Well I dunno about MacDonalds - haven't had the desire to eat non-food in years.

But I know Hawaii has some really cheap sushi places! I remember getting california rolls and stuff for like a $1.00 at one place.

I'm not sure how I feel about the bargirl scene in Thialand, or any of the third world places. As an escort myself I am in the business because I WANT to be, and because I can make a decent living (far from getting rich, but getting by). But I work when I want, see who I want, and if it's not fun I pass.

But I think when a girl is forced into the sex trade then it becomes an issue of exploitation and abuse. Things like pimped out girls, girls supporting drug habits, sex slaves in massage parlors, etc.

The Thai bargirl scene I guess is a little different in that the girls can always quit and go earn 50 cents a day in a factory. But my issues with the bargirl thing is that from what I understand many if not most of the girls are compelled to be there for one reason or another. Often from an early (illegal) age. I read of girls being sold, or of doing it to support families who sort of force them into it?

I know in other threads I've come down on guys who go there for sex vacations as expoiting the girls. But having never been there I really don't know.

Maybe "DJ" or Seanchi can address that question. Is it expolitation or just a job? Even if it's one where you work 28 days a month - heck I probably work 28 days a month...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[justatransgirl]

I dunno about you but a job where night in and night out you have a fat hairy drunk foreigner fucking you up the ass...

Edited your comments...

I dunno about the Thai girls, but I've had plenty of drunk hairy foreigners fuck me up the ass and I'm not complaining... :-)

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[GroobySteven]

Well I dunno about MacDonalds - haven't had the desire to eat non-food in years.

But I know Hawaii has some really cheap sushi places! I remember getting california rolls and stuff for like a $1.00 at one place.

I'm not sure how I feel about the bargirl scene in Thialand, or any of the third world places. As an escort myself I am in the business because I WANT to be, and because I can make a decent living (far from getting rich, but getting by). But I work when I want, see who I want, and if it's not fun I pass.

But I think when a girl is forced into the sex trade then it becomes an issue of exploitation and abuse. Things like pimped out girls, girls supporting drug habits, sex slaves in massage parlors, etc.

The Thai bargirl scene I guess is a little different in that the girls can always quit and go earn 50 cents a day in a factory. But my issues with the bargirl thing is that from what I understand many if not most of the girls are compelled to be there for one reason or another. Often from an early (illegal) age. I read of girls being sold, or of doing it to support families who sort of force them into it?

I know in other threads I've come down on guys who go there for sex vacations as expoiting the girls. But having never been there I really don't know.

Maybe "DJ" or Seanchi can address that question. Is it expolitation or just a job? Even if it's one where you work 28 days a month - heck I probably work 28 days a month...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

There is illegal sex trade and underage sex in all parts of the world - not least in the US. The bars where the foreigners go in Thailand, the girls are all over 18 yrs old and their by choice or family pressure OR the ladyboys find it hard to get mainstream jobs, much the same as they do in the US (although also the same as the US most of them could get jobs but they'd pay far less and be harder work). From reading your post, you've escorted as a lifestyle and a pleasurable choice and I find a lot of what you state fairly frivolous. I don't have an issue with you doing it but to come down on guys who travel as sex tourists when they're specifically going and meeting girls 18+ who work in bars is just hypocritical and un-informed and for you to try and make statements equating yourself within the same bracket of sex workers is just in-correct.

The tourist bar culture is fairly regulated in Thailand with age checks being done on girls working in bars. There are of course street girls working who are/can be underage - but I know girls who post on this site who were working on the streets in the US at 13/14 also. Underage sex is more likely to go on in the less tourist areas and the countryside and a paedophile would need to make contacts or search harder for it, it may be easier doing it there than in the Western countries but these individuals will seek it out anywhere and in the case of that dumb Canadian, recently - or Gary "Up the Shitter" Glitter - often caught.

I can honestly say in working with maybe 500+ Thai TS's, 300+ Brazilian TS's and talking to 100's of working girls in Thailand, I've never had an issue where a girl has stated, I hate my job. I have however, been places in Cambodia where the girls were definately less happy about being there - these have thankfully been closed.

If you are really interested in sex trafficking and stopping it perhaps you can follow our example and give a percentage of your earnings from a sex based industry to one of the charities here:
http://grooby.com/charities.html

Or our latest charity, which will be the main recipient of our givings this year: http://www.somaly.org/
[PLEASE EVERYBODY CLICK ON THE ABOVE LINK AND READ IT]

[DJ_Asia]

The Thai girls are there @ the bars by choice,nobody forces that on them,and they can earn far more there then say pushing a cart around for 15 hours a day selling watermelon for 25 cents.If the girl is lucky she can meet a foreigner who loves them and will support them and can live happily ever after,rare but it does happen.

Many Thai and Brasilian girls do get greedy and sell themselves into slavery in Europe,where they can charge much more but are forced to hand over their passports to the "agent" who arranged their airfare and apaetment and arent allowed to leave until theyve payed the agent/pimp back his investment and then some.
I was approached by an agent/pimp and he asked me to help him find girls,and after a few emails I realized the nature of his business and graciously declined.Still Im asked on a monthly basis by the girls if they should give Europe a try and I always try my best to explain the pros and many cons to that idea.

The girls who opt to stay in LOS do work hard and with only 2 free days off per month it must be quite draining and tedious,but at least they do have an option not to work if they so choose.

[slinky]

Since most porn producers lose money*, I guess by the logic in this thread most performers should pay to be in the videos until they become stars and their work turns a profit?

I actually do know of "residual" deals, I think Steven isn't thinking of them as residuals: there are plenty of girls who have their own websites where they are in all the content, but they didn't front any cash now run any of the site, and the get a percentage of the gross or net.

Most of the people who shot at our NJ studio were "dablers" of some sort (not the talent, the guys paying). Just about once a year, one of them has some "issue" come up (he's getting married and his fiance found out about about his "hobby"; he's getting a new job and he can't get caught "doing this", etc.) and we end up buying for $1,500 what they spent $45,000 shooting. Not that it's worth the $45,000 because it's almost always crap, but that doesn't mean they didn't lay out the $45,000 and most of it goes to the talent. And guess what? Almost always, the talent got overpaid for what they were worth because they took advantage of a producer who didn't know what they were doing. So that knife cuts both ways.

[slinky]

Or our latest charity, which will be the main recipient of our givings this year: http://www.somaly.org/
[PLEASE EVERYBODY CLICK ON THE ABOVE LINK AND READ IT]


I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but 98% of the "charities" devoted to stamping out "human trafficking" are fronts for Religious Rightist Groups and force feed more religion than stop trafficking. In fact, if you look at the two founders of this organization, the are 2 Air Force Academy grads who are rumored to be CIA fronts for Bush channeled aid to "favored" projects (they are supposed to be "successful internet entrepreneurs", but I don't know anyone who has ever used them, and web searches for their projects come up rather lacking).

[josue]

that's crazy. it ain't even worth it. i'd never star in a tranny film, i don't care how hot the chick was u know it would come back to haunt u for the rest of your life. i'll pass

[Nikka]

btw, reading this thread, Brazil isn´t cheap anymore...

[tsceleste]

that's crazy. it ain't even worth it. i'd never star in a tranny film, i don't care how hot the chick was u know it would come back to haunt u for the rest of your life. i'll pass

How about our own private movie? LOL

[Odelay]

But I know Hawaii has some really cheap sushi places! I remember getting california rolls and stuff for like a $1.00 at one place.

Last fall I ate at a sushi place in Hawaii for $100. Hate to sound like an elitist bastard, because this was a very rare experience for me, and my company paid for it. But ooooo boy that sushi was good. I'm not a huge sushi fan but evidentally i have a sweet tooth for $100 sushi. :roll:

[GroobySteven]

But I know Hawaii has some really cheap sushi places! I remember getting california rolls and stuff for like a $1.00 at one place.

Last fall I ate at a sushi place in Hawaii for $100. Hate to sound like an elitist bastard, because this was a very rare experience for me, and my company paid for it. But ooooo boy that sushi was good. I'm not a huge sushi fan but evidentally i have a sweet tooth for $100 sushi. :roll:

That's actually reasonable. The best sushi places, Imantse and Sasabune, your lucky to get out of there for less than $100. They're considered by Japanese tourists to be reasonably priced compared to what they'd pay for the same in Tokyo.

[justatransgirl]

Since most porn producers lose money*, I guess by the logic in this thread most performers should pay to be in the videos ...

EXACTLY honey! :-)

The men anyway. Everyone knows T-girls are special, and we should get paid just for acknowledging your existance and especially if we actually have sex with you naughty boys. :-) :-)

And for the measly investment of oh, let's say ,$1,000.00, YOU can star in my next video!

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[justatransgirl]

Well, I can't recall spending $100 on sushi, but it can eat up $50 for two pretty quick here in San Diego if you don't watch the tab.

And Seanchi -

Thank you for your response to my questions. Even though I felt a little dissed from part of it. (Spank me please... it hurts sooo good!) I really do appreciate learning from people who know the reality of things, because so often all we get is the skewed version from the media with 80% or the truth left out.

And yeah, honey I know about underage sex in the USA, I was 13 and he was about 40, and I didn't know what a pedophile was, and neither did my parents. I don't regret it, but maybe it's why I'm so whigged out.

Here's another curiosity of mine.

What happens when a gringa american TS goes to Bangkok (like say for a sex change...) and wants to see the red light areas? Not to steal their business, just to check it out and maybe meet some of the people.

Do you need a man to accompany you, would you be accepted or even allowed in? What would the girls do? See you as a threat or just another tourist?

Just curious.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

PS: Josue - Being in an adult film should only huant you if you are embarrased by it. I'm an open book, everyone knows what I do and who I am. And eventually I'm going to do a documentary and a book and then maybe run for Congress (giggle) and you know what? If someone doesn't like or accept me for the choices I've made, and the things I've done in life, I just don't care - cause I've had one hell of a life, and with a little luck I've got a few years left, and I intend to enjoy the hell out of them. Giggle. :-)

[DJ_Asia]

Do you need a man to accompany you, would you be accepted or even allowed in? What would the girls do? See you as a threat or just another tourist?

Just curious.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)



Ive taken Allanah and Yasmine Lee into NANA on seperate occasions and both were greeted warmly by the Thai girls,who seemed to really enjoy meeting a farang girl...just be ready they are quite touchy here when it comes to certain body parts,esp if you have boobs like Allnah.

Im guessing as long as youre not solicitng sex on the soi next to the Thai girls your experience will be pleasnt enough.

[SkyTwo]

And yeah, honey I know about underage sex in the USA, I was 13 and he was about 40, and I didn't know what a pedophile was, and neither did my parents. I don't regret it, but maybe it's why I'm so whigged out.



Finally, I understand your support for a protectionist trade policy. Or do you mean that was the point when you became a white, suburban "gangsta"?



... Well, I thought it was funny.

[bezane]

Well, here in Vegas, last night, one of seanchai's stars wolfed down about $60 in sushi in about 15 minutes. Including Miso. Not bad. She was a doll. But based on her appetite seanchai should give her raise. LOL.

[GroobySteven]

How about our own private movie? LOL

Celeste - a true star! You need to be in your very own movie.

[Odelay]

But I know Hawaii has some really cheap sushi places! I remember getting california rolls and stuff for like a $1.00 at one place.

Last fall I ate at a sushi place in Hawaii for $100. Hate to sound like an elitist bastard, because this was a very rare experience for me, and my company paid for it. But ooooo boy that sushi was good. I'm not a huge sushi fan but evidentally i have a sweet tooth for $100 sushi. :roll:

That's actually reasonable. The best sushi places, Imantse and Sasabune, your lucky to get out of there for less than $100. They're considered by Japanese tourists to be reasonably priced compared to what they'd pay for the same in Tokyo.

It was Sasabune. Man that place was good.

[justatransgirl]

Finally, I understand your support for a protectionist trade policy. Or do you mean that was the point when you became a white, suburban "gangsta"?
... Well, I thought it was funny.


EXACTLY. :-)

All men should be restricted to travel only within the US, and should be required by law to only patronise american professional girls over the age of 30.

... Well, I thought it was funny.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[tsntx]

Jeezz thats chump change for what the vids gross... Performers should form a picket line.

:claps :claps :claps :claps


but they wont bc theyre too scared some fag in makeup will come along for less and get the money

sad but true... performers need to unite and fight back bc they are making everyone involved far more money then theyre getting back

[GroobySteven]

Jeezz thats chump change for what the vids gross... Performers should form a picket line.

:claps :claps :claps :claps


but they wont bc theyre too scared some fag in makeup will come along for less and get the money

sad but true... performers need to unite and fight back bc they are making everyone involved far more money then theyre getting back

Shut up - another stupid, un-informed comment. What they need to start doing is self-producing their own content and working on their own image a la: Vicki, Wendy W, Allanah, Gia, Sexy Jade, BadazzBody, Mandy, Krissygrl etc.
They get well paid for what they do - which is a couple of hours work at the most. The real work is in producing and marketing the video.
The "fag in makeup" was you a few years ago and it made us money - probably less than you'd make now if you were featured but there was still a market for it - no need for people to act insecure.

seanchai

[timxxx]

damn i thought these porn stores were grossing alot more then that
porn stores do gross a lot more than that,they sell a single copy of a film many times.The producer of the film only gets paid once for that film.

Buy a film from a porn store at full price,watch it,copy it & take it back & get 50% discount on your next film.

Everybody wins right ? Well apart from the producer.

[Redkondor]

Porn is fine as an actor as long you dont want to do anything else with your life.

[tsntx]

Jeezz thats chump change for what the vids gross... Performers should form a picket line.

:claps :claps :claps :claps


but they wont bc theyre too scared some fag in makeup will come along for less and get the money

sad but true... performers need to unite and fight back bc they are making everyone involved far more money then theyre getting back

Shut up - another stupid, un-informed comment. What they need to start doing is self-producing their own content and working on their own image a la: Vicki, Wendy W, Allanah, Gia, Sexy Jade, BadazzBody, Mandy, Krissygrl etc.
They get well paid for what they do - which is a couple of hours work at the most. The real work is in producing and marketing the video.
The "fag in makeup" was you a few years ago and it made us money - probably less than you'd make now if you were featured but there was still a market for it - no need for people to act insecure.

seanchai

im aware that it was... ive said that since my opening statement pretty much on joining this site... if it wasnt for some "fag in makeup" a real star could have asked for double... and they should... 500-1000 is chicken scratch compared to the amount of money they bring in for the production companies... i wasnt talking about self producing thats a given "duh" on how a girl can make more money ... it isnt however practical as its not easy to start from nothing, IE: name, fans, experience, and actually succeed... i think telling me to shut up is uncalled for unless you feel threatened in some way by what i was saying... and if you are feeling threatened... isnt that only backing my statement up as possible fact?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Most men pay 300 for escorts, think of it as a freebie with cash in your pocket haha

[Bubbas world]

500 is too much money for 2 hours work

[tsceleste]

How about our own private movie? LOL

Celeste - a true star! You need to be in your very own movie.

Public Movie starring days are over. But private home movies are another story.

Thanks Seanchai!