Disgusted

[MrsKellyPierce]

thats all I have to say! :puke :footinmouth :stop :2cent

[Night Rider]

trying to suck up more and more attention - you never stop

[MrsKellyPierce]

trying to suck up more and more attention - you never stop :puke

[Night Rider]

trying to suck up more and more attention - you never stop :puke

I'm sure Jen will acknowledge you, don't worry

[MrsKellyPierce]

trying to suck up more and more attention - you never stop :puke

I'm sure Jen will acknowledge you, don't worry :roll:

[LAGent4ts]

Ok Kel, I'll bite, you are disgusted because......

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ok Kel, I'll bite, you are disgusted because...... It's fairly obvious with the mens attitudes on here. Dissing our looks, calling us "stupid bitches", etc etc etc manners has been way forgotten on here.

And when men don't act like this they are called kiss asses. Which is utter ridiculous or when girls give each other compliments we are kissing each others asses. It's so lame.

[mbf]

Ok Kel, I'll bite, you are disgusted because...... It's fairly obvious with the mens attitudes on here. Dissing our looks, calling us "stupid bitches", etc etc etc manners has been way forgotten on here.

And when men don't act like this they are called kiss asses. Which is utter ridiculous or when girls give each other compliments we are kissing each others asses. It's so lame.

generalisations are lame. Name it, you mean nightrider and lust4ts. They had disputes recently with nicole dupree and tsntx. NONE of them is innocent in those flamewars.

I am disgusted too, by the tendency of SOME HHA that they obviously believe ANY men who is on this site is

A)a cockhound
B)a chaser

will this end? no, sadly enough all likely not. Not many have the personal souveregnity to have disputes WITHOUT namecalling or to move on , or to let it go.

[The_Scientist]

I would not brand all men to this opinion, but I will agree some men who post on here are lacking even basic etiquette ><

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ok Kel, I'll bite, you are disgusted because...... It's fairly obvious with the mens attitudes on here. Dissing our looks, calling us "stupid bitches", etc etc etc manners has been way forgotten on here.

And when men don't act like this they are called kiss asses. Which is utter ridiculous or when girls give each other compliments we are kissing each others asses. It's so lame.

generalisations are lame. Name it, you mean nightrider and lust4ts. They had disputes recently with nicole dupree and tsntx. NONE of them is innocent in those flamewars.

I am disgusted too, by the tendency of SOME HHA that they obviously believe ANY men who is on this site is

A)a cockhound
B)a chaser

will this end? no, sadly enough all likely not. Not many have the personal souveregnity to have disputes WITHOUT namecalling or to move on , or to let it go.Steven does everything revolve around nightrider? I wasn't only talking about him. I like lust I wasn't talking about him.

[hondarobot]

Ok Kel, I'll bite, you are disgusted because...... It's fairly obvious with the mens attitudes on here. Dissing our looks, calling us "stupid bitches", etc etc etc manners has been way forgotten on here.

And when men don't act like this they are called kiss asses. Which is utter ridiculous or when girls give each other compliments we are kissing each others asses. It's so lame.

generalisations are lame. Name it, you mean nightrider and lust4ts. They had disputes recently with nicole dupree and tsntx. NONE of them is innocent in those flamewars.

I am disgusted too, by the tendency of SOME HHA that they obviously believe ANY men who is on this site is

A)a cockhound
B)a chaser

will this end? no, sadly enough all likely not. Not many have the personal souveregnity to have disputes WITHOUT namecalling or to move on , or to let it go.

OK, it should be "generalizations", not your inept spelling of the word. I'm not really interested in the rest of your post. Find more boyfriends.

I'l still be here. I hate trolls.

[mbf]

Ok Kel, I'll bite, you are disgusted because...... It's fairly obvious with the mens attitudes on here. Dissing our looks, calling us "stupid bitches", etc etc etc manners has been way forgotten on here.

And when men don't act like this they are called kiss asses. Which is utter ridiculous or when girls give each other compliments we are kissing each others asses. It's so lame.

generalisations are lame. Name it, you mean nightrider and lust4ts. They had disputes recently with nicole dupree and tsntx. NONE of them is innocent in those flamewars.

I am disgusted too, by the tendency of SOME HHA that they obviously believe ANY men who is on this site is

A)a cockhound
B)a chaser

will this end? no, sadly enough all likely not. Not many have the personal souveregnity to have disputes WITHOUT namecalling or to move on , or to let it go.Steven does everything revolve around nightrider? I wasn't only talking about him. I like lust I wasn't talking about him.

good that we have sorted that out, but I d like to hear your opinion on my other points, disrespect towards the guys?

You know for instance, we are likely to get shit for beeing on the downlow, but if some guy with experience with a TS is open about it, he is deemed a "chaser" by many TS. What is oyur stance on that?

[hondarobot]

Ok Kel, I'll bite, you are disgusted because...... It's fairly obvious with the mens attitudes on here. Dissing our looks, calling us "stupid bitches", etc etc etc manners has been way forgotten on here.

And when men don't act like this they are called kiss asses. Which is utter ridiculous or when girls give each other compliments we are kissing each others asses. It's so lame.

generalisations are lame. Name it, you mean nightrider and lust4ts. They had disputes recently with nicole dupree and tsntx. NONE of them is innocent in those flamewars.

I am disgusted too, by the tendency of SOME HHA that they obviously believe ANY men who is on this site is

A)a cockhound
B)a chaser

will this end? no, sadly enough all likely not. Not many have the personal souveregnity to have disputes WITHOUT namecalling or to move on , or to let it go.Steven does everything revolve around nightrider? I wasn't only talking about him. I like lust I wasn't talking about him.

good that we have sorted that out, but I d like to hear your opinion on my other points, disrespect towards the guys?

You know for instance, we are likely to get shit for beeing on the downlow, but if some guy with experience with a TS is open about it, he is deemed a "chaser" by many TS. What is oyur stance on that?

That's a great post. You seem to hate "ass kissers", but. . .

Well, it's pretty clear. Nice spelling, by the way.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ok Kel, I'll bite, you are disgusted because...... It's fairly obvious with the mens attitudes on here. Dissing our looks, calling us "stupid bitches", etc etc etc manners has been way forgotten on here.

And when men don't act like this they are called kiss asses. Which is utter ridiculous or when girls give each other compliments we are kissing each others asses. It's so lame.

generalisations are lame. Name it, you mean nightrider and lust4ts. They had disputes recently with nicole dupree and tsntx. NONE of them is innocent in those flamewars.

I am disgusted too, by the tendency of SOME HHA that they obviously believe ANY men who is on this site is

A)a cockhound
B)a chaser

will this end? no, sadly enough all likely not. Not many have the personal souveregnity to have disputes WITHOUT namecalling or to move on , or to let it go.Steven does everything revolve around nightrider? I wasn't only talking about him. I like lust I wasn't talking about him.

good that we have sorted that out, but I d like to hear your opinion on my other points, disrespect towards the guys?

You know for instance, we are likely to get shit for beeing on the downlow, but if some guy with experience with a TS is open about it, he is deemed a "chaser" by many TS. What is oyur stance on that? I have made my stance very open on that. I believe a chaser is someone that uses us as a novelty toy, treat us like we are just there for sex. How players treat women. That to me is a tranny chaser, when the repeat it over and over again. They chase to see whose got the biggest ding dong, whose the most passable that can get hard, etc etc.

So just because a guy has "experience" with a transsexual doesn't mean he isn't still a tranny chaser.

[Night Rider]

Kelly Shore's - Words of Wisdom!!!!!



I don't care what the arguments about, I will always take the side of the transwomans.

:popcorn

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kelly Shore's - Words of Wisdom!!!!!



I don't care what the arguments about, I will always take the side of the transwomans.

:popcorn Yeah and you missed the second sentence, where I said when you use their looks to hate on to get ahead on an argument, besides the words before you. You are so bad at twisting words.

[Night Rider]

Kelly Shore's - Words of Wisdom!!!!!



I don't care what the arguments about, I will always take the side of the transwomans.

:popcorn Yeah and you missed the second sentence, where I said when you use their looks to hate on to get ahead on an argument, besides the words before you. You are so bad at twisting words.

OK Shallow Kel....whatever you say

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kelly Shore's - Words of Wisdom!!!!!



I don't care what the arguments about, I will always take the side of the transwomans.

:popcorn Yeah and you missed the second sentence, where I said when you use their looks to hate on to get ahead on an argument, besides the words before you. You are so bad at twisting words.

OK Shallow Kel....whatever you say shallow? Oh right cause I'm attracted to a certain type of guy. :roll:

[Night Rider]

shallow? Oh right cause I'm attracted to a certain type of guy. :roll:

lmaoooo :roll:

Because you stand by a transwoman if someone critisizes their looks even though looks should be the last thing people should worry about!!!

There are more hurtful things that "transwomen" have said which you turn a blind eye to.

There is a word for people like you.............hypocrite

[hondarobot]

Kelly Shore's - Words of Wisdom!!!!!



I don't care what the arguments about, I will always take the side of the transwomans.

:popcorn Yeah and you missed the second sentence, where I said when you use their looks to hate on to get ahead on an argument, besides the words before you. You are so bad at twisting words.

OK Shallow Kel....whatever you say

Why do you post on this forum, night rider? I don't understand that. You're a confused person who tries to interact with a community that you would never publicly admit to being interested in or connected to.

I'm sure your girlfriend loves all the time you spend here.

:lol:

[MrsKellyPierce]

shallow? Oh right cause I'm attracted to a certain type of guy. :roll:

lmaoooo :roll:

Because you stand by a transwoman if someone critisizes their looks even though looks should be the last thing people should worry about!!!

There are more hurtful things that "transwomen" have said which you turn a blind eye to.

There is a word for people like you.............hypocrite It's bad enough transsexuals have to get hated on their looks by people outside their community, it's even worse when it's someone from our community.

[Night Rider]

Why do you post on this forum, night rider? I don't understand that. You're a confused person who tries to interact with a community that you would never publicly admit to being interested in or connected to.

I'm sure your girlfriend loves all the time you spend here.

:lol:

I was ignoring you but you won my attention, well done. :claps

I'm getting called a confused person by the guy that doesn't even know what gender he is. Do you still think you're a bald, bearded dike transsexual? You're the most deluded person on the forum, I noticed you were quiet in the chatroom the other night.....No.1 bitch

[Night Rider]

shallow? Oh right cause I'm attracted to a certain type of guy. :roll:

lmaoooo :roll:

Because you stand by a transwoman if someone critisizes their looks even though looks should be the last thing people should worry about!!!

There are more hurtful things that "transwomen" have said which you turn a blind eye to.

There is a word for people like you.............hypocrite It's bad enough transsexuals have to get hated on their looks by people outside their community, it's even worse when it's someone from our community.

I'm sick listening about transsexual charity cases.

You're just normal people....start acting like one.

[hondarobot]

Why do you post on this forum, night rider? I don't understand that. You're a confused person who tries to interact with a community that you would never publicly admit to being interested in or connected to.

I'm sure your girlfriend loves all the time you spend here.

:lol:

I was ignoring you but you won my attention, well done. :claps

I'm getting called a confused person by the guy that doesn't even know what gender he is. Do you still think you're a bald, bearded dike transsexual? You're the most deluded person on the forum, I noticed you were quiet in the chatroom the other night.....No.1 bitch

Heh. OK, have you ever met a TS girl? Don't lie now, I bet you like looking at pictures.

[Night Rider]

Heh. OK, have you ever met a TS girl? Don't lie now, I bet you like looking at pictures.

[MrsKellyPierce]

shallow? Oh right cause I'm attracted to a certain type of guy. :roll:

lmaoooo :roll:

Because you stand by a transwoman if someone critisizes their looks even though looks should be the last thing people should worry about!!!

There are more hurtful things that "transwomen" have said which you turn a blind eye to.

There is a word for people like you.............hypocrite It's bad enough transsexuals have to get hated on their looks by people outside their community, it's even worse when it's someone from our community.

I'm sick listening about transsexual charity cases.

You're just normal people....start acting like one. Don't we wish we were viewed normal. Just because you think that way nightrider doesn't mean the world does. You have a lot to learn.

[SXFX]

You know as a n00b here I can say with 100% confidance that you girls do more damage to each other than any guy could ever do to you.

Now don't take this is a bad thing GG's are the same way. A GG will stab her best friend in the back just to talk to some guy.
But still, the new years is right around the corner, could we maybe have one month of civility?

And as for douche bag guys? Well girls, just iggy them.
Not hard! They just want you to get pissed and get under your skin.
Just iggy them. Anger is bad for ones soul and causes saggy tits!
Now do you girls want saggy tits?

[MrsKellyPierce]

You know as a n00b here I can say with 100% confidance that you girls do more damage to each other than any guy could ever do to you.

Now don't take this is a bad thing GG's are the same way. A GG will stab her best friend in the back just to talk to some guy.
But still, the new years is right around the corner, could we maybe have one month of civility? Nah actually all the girls have been civil to each other for quite sometime now. The worse we had so far was the Brenda Mimi thing and now the Allanah and Jen P. thing but it's been more guys against girls. So maybe the noob status does befit you, if you are that far gone on whats been going on sweety.

[Night Rider]

Don't we wish we were viewed normal. Just because you think that way nightrider doesn't mean the world does. You have a lot to learn.

All you need are friends and family....I know it must be hard but I wouldn't give a fuck what other people thought, but obviously this is all hypothetical.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Don't we wish we were viewed normal. Just because you think that way nightrider doesn't mean the world does. You have a lot to learn.

All you need are friends and family....I know it must be hard but I wouldn't give a fuck what other people thought, but obviously this is all hypothetical. Not everyone is that lucky either on the friends and family part. Maybe later after transition.

[SXFX]

Nah actually all the girls have been civil to each other for quite sometime now. The worse we had so far was the Brenda Mimi thing and now the Allanah and Jen P. thing but it's been more guys against girls. So maybe the noob status does befit you, if you are that far gone on whats been going on sweety.
Sorry hun I went back and re-read all the thread and changed my post a little. I'm sorry I thought I was watching a cat fight of some sorts.
As for being a n00b, I'm a total n00by here. I know no one and harbor no ill will towards no one and I like to keep it that way. No matter what they say. After all it's the internet and second there is enough hate in this world. We really don't need any more!
After all it's hate that keepd Dea Eye Dick Chaney alive! And do you really want to see that man live forver?
I mean comen on what 10 heart attacks and he still lives! Hello even god can't kill him! :D

[Night Rider]

Don't we wish we were viewed normal. Just because you think that way nightrider doesn't mean the world does. You have a lot to learn.

All you need are friends and family....I know it must be hard but I wouldn't give a fuck what other people thought, but obviously this is all hypothetical. Not everyone is that lucky either on the friends and family part. Maybe later after transition.

If your friends don't accept it then they're not friends....there's too many people in the world to worry about a few narrow minded assholes.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Don't we wish we were viewed normal. Just because you think that way nightrider doesn't mean the world does. You have a lot to learn.

All you need are friends and family....I know it must be hard but I wouldn't give a fuck what other people thought, but obviously this is all hypothetical. Not everyone is that lucky either on the friends and family part. Maybe later after transition.

If your friends don't accept it then they're not friends....there's too many people in the world to worry about a few narrow minded assholes. You speak like it's so easy, this is the thing that erks me no offense to you. This is why I get offended when you were calling Nicole those names, Nicole is a ts. This is why I get offended when you pick on girls looks. You are basically mocking how they look and in its own way calling them a "man" So thats why I get perturbed with you Nightrider. If you would just stick with the argument, I wouldn't be bugged about it.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Nah actually all the girls have been civil to each other for quite sometime now. The worse we had so far was the Brenda Mimi thing and now the Allanah and Jen P. thing but it's been more guys against girls. So maybe the noob status does befit you, if you are that far gone on whats been going on sweety.
Sorry hun I went back and re-read all the thread and changed my post a little. I'm sorry I thought I was watching a cat fight of some sorts.
As for being a n00b, I'm a total n00by here. I know no one and harbor no ill will towards no one and I like to keep it that way. No matter what they say. After all it's the internet and second there is enough hate in this world. We really don't need any more!
After all it's hate that keepd Dea Eye Dick Chaney alive! And do you really want to see that man live forver?
I mean comen on what 10 heart attacks and he still lives! Hello even god can't kill him! :D lol no, it's more just me being disgusted. I am tired of the guys against the girls, and the guys will always revert to looks to defend themselves. When they have no pictures of themselves, for the girls to retalliate on. It's spineless, so of course the girls are going to grip at straws and call them a fag. What does that sound like to you..a closet fag? No offense to anyone just speaking in general.

[trish]

Don't we wish we were viewed normal. Just because you think that way nightrider doesn't mean the world does. You have a lot to learn.

All you need are friends and family....I know it must be hard but I wouldn't give a fuck what other people thought, but obviously this is all hypothetical.

but it does matter what other people think. here's a situation that's not so hypothetical.

your in a bar with your girlfriends. some guy keeps winkin' and hittin' on you. you accept a dance. he joins the table with you and your friends. he's humorous, intelligent enough, he plays footsie under the table. you dance a few more times. he wants to take you home with him. you kinda wanna go. so as delicately as you can, you make clear to him what sort of equipment you carry. not only does he punch you in stomach, but the whole place is suddenly against you and your friends. you're chased out the door, but not without getting cut across the arm in the process.

there's sooo much hate in the world that a few friends can't even get a drink and hobnob with what would ordinarily be a very friendly bar crowd.

[Night Rider]

You speak like it's so easy, this is the thing that erks me no offense to you. This is why I get offended when you were calling Nicole those names, Nicole is a ts. This is why I get offended when you pick on girls looks. You are basically mocking how they look and in its own way calling them a "man" So thats why I get perturbed with you Nightrider. If you would just stick with the argument, I wouldn't be bugged about it.

It is so easy!! Some of you make life hard for yourselves, there's plenty of transsexuals here that are stable and don't play the guilt card all the time.

When people call me a fatherless bastard then I've every right to call them what I want, it was below the belt. Anyway, Nicole and I have sorted out our differences and that's completely in the past. Why keep bringing it up?

[Night Rider]

Don't we wish we were viewed normal. Just because you think that way nightrider doesn't mean the world does. You have a lot to learn.

All you need are friends and family....I know it must be hard but I wouldn't give a fuck what other people thought, but obviously this is all hypothetical.

but it does matter what other people think. here's a situation that's not so hypothetical.

your in a bar with your girlfriends. some guy keeps winkin' and hittin' on you. you accept a dance. he joins the table with you and your friends. he's humorous, intelligent enough, he plays footsie under the table. you dance a few more times. he wants to take you home with him. you kinda wanna go. so as delicately as you can, you make clear to him what sort of equipment you carry. not only does he punch you in stomach, but the whole place is suddenly against you and your friends. you're chased out the door, but not without getting cut across the arm in the process.

there's sooo much hate in the world that a few friends can't even get a drink and hobnob with what would ordinarily be a very friendly bar crowd.

point taken.......but some people here make things difficult for themselves.

[hondarobot]

Night rider: anonymous forum troll. His tenacity drains the energy from the forum.

He's a clown riding a unicycle that everyone wishes would just go away.

[SXFX]

lol no, it's more just me being disgusted. I am tired of the guys against the girls, and the guys will always revert to looks to defend themselves. When they have no pictures of themselves, for the girls to retalliate on. It's spineless, so of course the girls are going to grip at straws and call them a fag. What does that sound like to you..a closet fag? No offense to anyone just speaking in general.
Guys will allways revert to looks to defend ourselves? Hu?
What like we are good looking or something?
But now you got me thinking, I don't have a pic of my self on here...maybe a good thing maybe a bad thing.

But let's be honest hun, in this game of dating / sex, you girls hold all the cards. And we guys have to be slick enough to maybe steal one or two away from you ladies by being charming.
Now some guys can do it others can't. And i suggest you just simply iggy the guys who can't.

You know that way the guys who can be charming and know how to play the game will have a better chance ;-)

[vegasboy]

Night rider: anonymous forum troll. His tenacity drains the energy from the forum.

He's a clown riding a unicycle that everyone wishes would just go away.
Tenacity? Almost sounds like respect Honda.

[hondarobot]

You speak like it's so easy, this is the thing that erks me no offense to you. This is why I get offended when you were calling Nicole those names, Nicole is a ts. This is why I get offended when you pick on girls looks. You are basically mocking how they look and in its own way calling them a "man" So thats why I get perturbed with you Nightrider. If you would just stick with the argument, I wouldn't be bugged about it.

It is so easy!! Some of you make life hard for yourselves, there's plenty of transsexuals here that are stable and don't play the guilt card all the time.

When people call me a fatherless bastard then I've every right to call them what I want, it was below the belt. Anyway, Nicole and I have sorted out our differences and that's completely in the past. Why keep bringing it up?

I never read this one yet. You have no father? I'd assume he died or ran out on you. That explains a great deal.

[Night Rider]

Night rider: anonymous forum troll. His tenacity drains the energy from the forum.

He's a clown riding a unicycle that everyone wishes would just go away.

Is that the way it is in your mind honda? I suppose you're the life and soul of this place? :lol:

[MrsKellyPierce]

You speak like it's so easy, this is the thing that erks me no offense to you. This is why I get offended when you were calling Nicole those names, Nicole is a ts. This is why I get offended when you pick on girls looks. You are basically mocking how they look and in its own way calling them a "man" So thats why I get perturbed with you Nightrider. If you would just stick with the argument, I wouldn't be bugged about it.

It is so easy!! Some of you make life hard for yourselves, there's plenty of transsexuals here that are stable and don't play the guilt card all the time.

When people call me a fatherless bastard then I've every right to call them what I want, it was below the belt. Anyway, Nicole and I have sorted out our differences and that's completely in the past. Why keep bringing it up? And dear those ones that don't play the guilt card are usually passable. I am talking for the girls that AREN'T. You need to go to a meeting, I swear I am going to take you men on a field trip to hear these womens stories. It scared me and horrified me to ever be treated like that. It's very sad, being an activist it gets to me everytime I see someone making fun or making light of the things transsexuals go through. I don't see you saying that to black people? Try saying that to them, and see what their response is Nightrider. Thats why your whole argument is a joke. You haven't the last clue what it takes to be a transsexual, and yet you act like you do. Thats not only offensive, because you belittle it, but you act like you do know. And you are so egotistical and self righteous you think you can do it better. How dare you demean us or belittle it. You don't think all of us want to be viewed as normal and not have questions? I find I am accepted and treated normal till I tell someone. Then they treat me differently. I had to earn my friendships and acceptance. I wasn't accepted immediately in high school like any normal female would of been. I am not accepted immediately now either when people find out. They have to get to know me and then make their judgement. You may say thats how it is for everyone. But there is a different acceptance and attitude when people just think you are "normal" So your case doesn't hold. You don't even post your own pic on here, how can you say you are so brave?


P.S. I thought it was "so easy" too cause of my own experience, till I met other transsexuals and heard their stories. Beautiful ones and non-passable ones. Their stories they had of discrimination and hate was shocking!

[hondarobot]

Night rider: anonymous forum troll. His tenacity drains the energy from the forum.

He's a clown riding a unicycle that everyone wishes would just go away.

Is that the way it is in your mind honda? I suppose you're the life and soul of this place? :lol:

No, I'm just posting. I have a father, by the way, hung out with him on Christmas. You didn't. Let's troll, asshole.

[hondarobot]

You're response time is degrading. Did your father die or just run out on ya? I'm just trying to keep things "real", dumb fuck.

[Night Rider]

And dear those ones that don't play the guilt card are usually passable.

Wrong answer


I swear I am going to take you men on a field trip to hear these
womens stories.

Can't wait


I don't see you saying that to black people?

BIG difference IMO [before anyone starts]


You haven't the last clue what it takes to be a transsexual, and yet you act like you do.

No, but coming from a sectarian country, I can relate to discrimination.


And you are so egotistical and self righteous you think you can do it better. How dare you demean us or belittle it.

Settle yourself Miss Shore, I have respect for transwomen.


You don't think all of us want to be viewed as normal and not have questions? I find I am accepted and treated normal till I tell someone. Then they treat me differently. So your case doesn't hold.

I just think a lot of the battle is in your own head. I'm not trying to belittle you, I'm just giving my opinion....it can be taken as advice or an attack, it's up to you.


You don't even post your own pic on here, how can you say you are so brave?

Who said I was brave? It's my choice, maybe I will someday when I pluck up the courage :roll:

[SXFX]

Don't we wish we were viewed normal. Just because you think that way nightrider doesn't mean the world does. You have a lot to learn.

All you need are friends and family....I know it must be hard but I wouldn't give a fuck what other people thought, but obviously this is all hypothetical.

but it does matter what other people think. here's a situation that's not so hypothetical.

your in a bar with your girlfriends. some guy keeps winkin' and hittin' on you. you accept a dance. he joins the table with you and your friends. he's humorous, intelligent enough, he plays footsie under the table. you dance a few more times. he wants to take you home with him. you kinda wanna go. so as delicately as you can, you make clear to him what sort of equipment you carry. not only does he punch you in stomach, but the whole place is suddenly against you and your friends. you're chased out the door, but not without getting cut across the arm in the process.

there's sooo much hate in the world that a few friends can't even get a drink and hobnob with what would ordinarily be a very friendly bar crowd.
Ok a guy that does this should be taken out and beaten with a steel bar.
No man should ever hit a woman. And if he had half a brain about him wheich I'm guessing he doesn't he should hve simply excused himself and said thanks but no thanks.
But when man harms a woman, that'a a no no in my book.
And if I'm ever in the bar, girls don't worry I'll take care of him for you.
I'll even hold him down and let you kick him a few times!

[Night Rider]

No, I'm just posting. I have a father, by the way, hung out with him on Christmas. You didn't. Let's troll, asshole.

I'm sure he was happy to spend time with his jizz-mopping, transsexual, lesbian daughter...


You're response time is degrading. Did your father die or just run out on ya? I'm just trying to keep things "real", dumb fuck.

He got crucified and then rose from the dead...he lives a happy life now in paradise

[MrsKellyPierce]

And dear those ones that don't play the guilt card are usually passable.

Wrong answer


I swear I am going to take you men on a field trip to hear these
womens stories.

Can't wait


I don't see you saying that to black people?

BIG difference IMO [before anyone starts]


You haven't the last clue what it takes to be a transsexual, and yet you act like you do.

No, but coming from a sectarian country, I can relate to discrimination.


And you are so egotistical and self righteous you think you can do it better. How dare you demean us or belittle it.

Settle yourself Miss Shore, I have respect for transwomen.


You don't think all of us want to be viewed as normal and not have questions? I find I am accepted and treated normal till I tell someone. Then they treat me differently. So your case doesn't hold.

I just think a lot of the battle is in your own head. I'm not trying to belittle you, I'm just giving my opinion....it can be taken as advice or an attack, it's up to you.


You don't even post your own pic on here, how can you say you are so brave?

Who said I was brave? It's my choice, maybe I will someday when I pluck up the courage :roll: Wrong answer? Being more passable makes your life ten times easier. You don't get stares, you don't get mocked and have things thrown at you, You don't get beat up. The woman that live their life as woman and aren't passable suffer from this everyday.

Now for our discrimination. We are looked past for good jobs (because of being a transsexual unless they transition on the job), we can't get into high schools or colleges (I being one of these, but I had to get a lawyer to implement the laws that protect us. Brenda was discriminated by her college she says.) The list goes on and on and yet you say it's a walk in the park?

[trish]

Ok a guy that does this should be taken out and beaten with a steel bar.
No man should ever hit a woman. And if he had half a brain about him wheich I'm guessing he doesn't he should hve simply excused himself and said thanks but no thanks.
But when man harms a woman, that'a a no no in my book.
And if I'm ever in the bar, girls don't worry I'll take care of him for you.
I'll even hold him down and let you kick him a few times!

i appreciate that, i really do. what was so depressing about that episode is it wasn't just one guy. suddenly there was a whole bushel of guys out for blood just because i was honest enough to confess i was a woman in transition!

[hondarobot]

No, I'm just posting. I have a father, by the way, hung out with him on Christmas. You didn't. Let's troll, asshole.

I'm sure he was happy to spend time with his jizz-mopping, transsexual, lesbian daughter...


You're response time is degrading. Did your father die or just run out on ya? I'm just trying to keep things "real", dumb fuck.

He got crucified and then rose from the dead...he lives a happy life now in paradise

That's awesome. I'm sure he was a great guy who taught you everything you need to know about posting constantly on internet forums. By the way, have you ever met a TS girl? I asked you already.

You just like to look at porn pics.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ok a guy that does this should be taken out and beaten with a steel bar.
No man should ever hit a woman. And if he had half a brain about him wheich I'm guessing he doesn't he should hve simply excused himself and said thanks but no thanks.
But when man harms a woman, that'a a no no in my book.
And if I'm ever in the bar, girls don't worry I'll take care of him for you.
I'll even hold him down and let you kick him a few times!

i appreciate that, i really do. what was so depressing about that episode is it wasn't just one guy. suddenly there was a whole bushel of guys out for blood just because i was honest enough to confess i was a woman in transition! thats so crazy!!

[Night Rider]

We are looked past for good jobs

As do we


The list goes on and on and yet you say it's a walk in the park?

I never said it was a walk in the park, all I'm saying is there are people a lot worse off than transsexuals that can live a happy life. I'm just trying to put things into context for you, life is what you make of it.

[MrsKellyPierce]

We are looked past for good jobs

As do we


The list goes on and on and yet you say it's a walk in the park?

I never said it was a walk in the park, all I'm saying is there are people a lot worse off than transsexuals that can live a happy life. I'm just trying to put things into context for you, life is what you make of it. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[vegasboy]

Ok a guy that does this should be taken out and beaten with a steel bar.
No man should ever hit a woman. And if he had half a brain about him wheich I'm guessing he doesn't he should hve simply excused himself and said thanks but no thanks.
But when man harms a woman, that'a a no no in my book.
And if I'm ever in the bar, girls don't worry I'll take care of him for you.
I'll even hold him down and let you kick him a few times!

i appreciate that, i really do. what was so depressing about that episode is it wasn't just one guy. suddenly there was a whole bushel of guys out for blood just because i was honest enough to confess i was a woman in transition! thats so crazy!!
That's pretty messed up. What's more disturbing is that it wasn't just one nut, but a bunch of people and nobody had the sense to try to stop the attack. I've seen this type of behavior and I guess if you've been to clubs most unfortunately have. Mob mentality is one thing on a message board but when it's a bunch of drunk, angry bigots nothing's stopping them.

[Night Rider]

No, I'm just posting. I have a father, by the way, hung out with him on Christmas. You didn't. Let's troll, asshole.

I'm sure he was happy to spend time with his jizz-mopping, transsexual, lesbian daughter...


You're response time is degrading. Did your father die or just run out on ya? I'm just trying to keep things "real", dumb fuck.

He got crucified and then rose from the dead...he lives a happy life now in paradise

That's awesome. I'm sure he was a great guy who taught you everything you need to know about posting constantly on internet forums. By the way, have you ever met a TS girl? I asked you already.

You just like to look at porn pics.

Any time you're not working in the gay bar, you're here so wtf are you talking about. I've met transsexuals, not many, but unlike you I've never molested any.

[SXFX]

i appreciate that, i really do. what was so depressing about that episode is it wasn't just one guy. suddenly there was a whole bushel of guys out for blood just because i was honest enough to confess i was a woman in transition!
Hum I'm going to let you in on a little secret.
WE MEN ARE DUMB!
It's simple we are really stupid. On a good day we aren't half bad but on a bad day....wow watch out! We can be really stupid. And this man was a total jerk. The bouncers should have hauled his ass out of there ASAP!
And along they way they should have bounced his head off some walls, the floor and the door!
As for a solution to this problem, hun I don't know.
Mayb it's a good thing? No one night stands with random guys at bars?
Which totally sucks for me because....well a man can hope right?
But don't look at it in a bad light, ok so you met a total A-hole! His loss.
But maybe you should just give a guy your number and tell him over the phone. That way you are safe. And after all that's what matters most in this world, your personal safety and happiness.
But next time you are out at a club and you see some guy, shaved head gotee brown eyes a bit of a tan who allways requests Daft Punk.....it's me. :-) And if you get in troubble just aks and I'll jump in and do my best to help ok.
And hun, from the entire male population, i know it doesn't mean much but, I'm sorry!

[trish]

i have to agree with Kelly though on things being easier for those of us who pass. look at it this way. those of us who are passing at one time didn't. we've both experiences. we have a basis for comparison. it was a lot harder going out in public not passing. not just because people everywhere are clocking you, not serving you, or laughing at you in public, but there are places that are just too dangerous to go if you are clocked.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ok a guy that does this should be taken out and beaten with a steel bar.
No man should ever hit a woman. And if he had half a brain about him wheich I'm guessing he doesn't he should hve simply excused himself and said thanks but no thanks.
But when man harms a woman, that'a a no no in my book.
And if I'm ever in the bar, girls don't worry I'll take care of him for you.
I'll even hold him down and let you kick him a few times!

i appreciate that, i really do. what was so depressing about that episode is it wasn't just one guy. suddenly there was a whole bushel of guys out for blood just because i was honest enough to confess i was a woman in transition! thats so crazy!!
That's pretty messed up. What's more disturbing is that it wasn't just one nut, but a bunch of people and nobody had the sense to try to stop the attack. I've seen this type of behavior and I guess if you've been to clubs most unfortunately have. Mob mentality is one thing on a message board but when it's a bunch of drunk, angry bigots nothing's stopping them. No of course not, Amanda Milan was killed in front of tons of people by a guy, slit her neck and screamed die fag die. And is out walking the streets right now. So many deaths, but it's a walk in the park.

[hondarobot]

We are looked past for good jobs

As do we


The list goes on and on and yet you say it's a walk in the park?

I never said it was a walk in the park, all I'm saying is there are people a lot worse off than transsexuals that can live a happy life. I'm just trying to put things into context for you, life is what you make of it.

Good point. You seem to like examining TS girls, which is a personal sort of thing. Let's examine what I know of you.

Your father died. Did it happen suddenly? Was he spitting and choking on a hospital bed, did he drop down in an alley?

Why not discuss this? What's the problem?

[trish]

But maybe you should just give a guy your number and tell him over the phone. That way you are safe. And after all that's what matters most in this world, your personal safety and happiness.

that was a while ago, and believe me, since then i've learned all the tricks.



But next time you are out at a club and you see some guy, shaved head gotee brown eyes a bit of a tan who allways requests Daft Punk.....it's me. Smile And if you get in troubble just aks and I'll jump in and do my best to help ok.

thanks for the support, seriously.

[vegasboy]

That's pretty messed up. What's more disturbing is that it wasn't just one nut, but a bunch of people and nobody had the sense to try to stop the attack. I've seen this type of behavior and I guess if you've been to clubs most unfortunately have. Mob mentality is one thing on a message board but when it's a bunch of drunk, angry bigots nothing's stopping them. No of course not, Amanda Milan was killed in front of tons of people by a guy, slit her neck and screamed die fag die. And is out walking the streets right now. So many deaths, but it's a walk in the park.
Hey Kell. Are you sure you meant to quote me. I never said it was a walk in the park. In fact I said, people don't have the balls to stand up and do the right thing in a tough situation. But I'm pretty sure you didn't mean to quote me.

[SXFX]

But maybe you should just give a guy your number and tell him over the phone. That way you are safe. And after all that's what matters most in this world, your personal safety and happiness.

that was a while ago, and believe me, since then i've learned all the tricks.



But next time you are out at a club and you see some guy, shaved head gotee brown eyes a bit of a tan who allways requests Daft Punk.....it's me. Smile And if you get in troubble just aks and I'll jump in and do my best to help ok.

thanks for the support, seriously.
And hay help me out too....request Daft Punk!
We'll dance the robot! People will think we are way cool! :-)

[Night Rider]

We are looked past for good jobs

As do we


The list goes on and on and yet you say it's a walk in the park?

I never said it was a walk in the park, all I'm saying is there are people a lot worse off than transsexuals that can live a happy life. I'm just trying to put things into context for you, life is what you make of it.

Good point. You seem to like examining TS girls, which is a personal sort of thing. Let's examine what I know of you.

Your father died. Did it happen suddenly? Was he spitting and choking on a hospital bed, did he drop down in an alley?

Why not discuss this? What's the problem?

I've answered your question molesterbot ^^^

..you've had enough attention for one day

[MrsKellyPierce]

That's pretty messed up. What's more disturbing is that it wasn't just one nut, but a bunch of people and nobody had the sense to try to stop the attack. I've seen this type of behavior and I guess if you've been to clubs most unfortunately have. Mob mentality is one thing on a message board but when it's a bunch of drunk, angry bigots nothing's stopping them. No of course not, Amanda Milan was killed in front of tons of people by a guy, slit her neck and screamed die fag die. And is out walking the streets right now. So many deaths, but it's a walk in the park.
Hey Kell. Are you sure you meant to quote me. I never said it was a walk in the park. In fact I said, people don't have the balls to stand up and do the right thing in a tough situation. But I'm pretty sure you didn't mean to quote me. No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.

[vegasboy]

Good point. You seem to like examining TS girls, which is a personal sort of thing. Let's examine what I know of you.

Your father died. Did it happen suddenly? Was he spitting and choking on a hospital bed, did he drop down in an alley?

Why not discuss this? What's the problem?
You're a sick fuck. Why don't you say what you mean for once? You've lived your entire life on your knees. Have you ever thought about being a big boy? He can answer for himself, but you're raring for a fight. I'll stay out of it, but just say what you mean rather than dragging his dad into it you dog.

[Night Rider]

No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

Truly pathetic

[hondarobot]

We are looked past for good jobs

As do we


The list goes on and on and yet you say it's a walk in the park?

I never said it was a walk in the park, all I'm saying is there are people a lot worse off than transsexuals that can live a happy life. I'm just trying to put things into context for you, life is what you make of it.

Good point. You seem to like examining TS girls, which is a personal sort of thing. Let's examine what I know of you.

Your father died. Did it happen suddenly? Was he spitting and choking on a hospital bed, did he drop down in an alley?

Why not discuss this? What's the problem?

I've answered your question molesterbot ^^^

..you've had enough attention for one day

No you didn't. I want to know how your dad died. I find that somewhat interesting. He's dead now, why not give up the details?

[vegasboy]

No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.
:lol: :lol: I actually think I figured out your strategy. You were trying to bring me into it, by quoting me and then addressing night rider at the end. You tricky little minx.

Truthfully, I don't like to make any comparisons between discrimination. That doesn't mean all forms are the same. That's actually why I don't like the comparisons. But there can be no doubt that a girl in the early stages of transitioning is subject to all kinds of discrimination, and outright harrassment. But I've never seen it because I haven't met that many transsexuals.

[hondarobot]

bump

[trish]

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

if you were a transsual NR, you'd have quite a lot of work to do, judging from the pic :)

[vegasboy]

No you didn't. I want to know how your dad died. I find that somewhat interesting. He's dead now, why not give up the details?
I'm just gonna state the obvious. Certain things are sacred for other people. I'd rather remove my own testicles than tell a fuck like you a single detail of my life, be it a success, a failure, or even my name.

Why don't you follow suit? Seriously, nobody wants to know graphic details of your sick mind.

[Night Rider]

I want to know how your dad died. I find that somewhat interesting.

Well, I suppose that's understandible considering you have psychosis.

Here's some art that I drew in his last moments...

Sad story.

[MrsKellyPierce]

No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

Truly pathetic you're so stupid. people have co-signed my stuff before too or agreed to it. Why repeat something in a thread, thats already been said? Grow up you little prick.

[Night Rider]

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

if you were a transsual NR, you'd have quite a lot of work to do, judging from the pic :)

lmaoooooo

I'd have even more work since I wouldn't be passible :D

[trish]

finding myself making tasteless posts. it must be time for a break. enjoy your saturday people. later.

[MrsKellyPierce]

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

if you were a transsual NR, you'd have quite a lot of work to do, judging from the pic :)

lmaoooooo

I'd have even more work since I wouldn't be passible :D FYI Trish agreed with me on that. :roll:

[hondarobot]

I want to know how your dad died. I find that somewhat interesting.

Well, I suppose that's understandible considering you have psychosis.

Here's some art that I drew in his last moments...

Sad story.

You seem to have serious issues with the death of your father. Please elaborate, it might explain your constant posting here the last two months.

[Night Rider]

No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

Truly pathetic you're so stupid. people have co-signed my stuff before too or agreed to it. Why repeat something in a thread, thats already been said? Grow up you little prick.

Little prick? :cry: Show me some respect the way you asked from me *oh, I forgot, I'm not a tgirl*

you know I've struck a nerve...if you don't say co-sign you say "agreed" or "you go girl" :lol:

Get a mind of your own.

[Night Rider]

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

if you were a transsual NR, you'd have quite a lot of work to do, judging from the pic :)

lmaoooooo

I'd have even more work since I wouldn't be passible :D FYI Trish agreed with me on that. :roll:

:claps like I give a fuck

[MrsKellyPierce]

No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

Truly pathetic you're so stupid. people have co-signed my stuff before too or agreed to it. Why repeat something in a thread, thats already been said? Grow up you little prick.

Little prick? :cry: Show me some respect the way you asked from me *oh, I forgot, I'm not a tgirl*

you know I've struck a nerve...if you don't say co-sign you say "agreed" or "you go girl" :lol:

Get a mind of your own. NO I called you stupid cause I said co-sign to Nicole or agreed. I didn't stay on your side, which you accuse Jen of doing by calling everyone fags if they don't agree with her. Lets not be a hypocrite. Struck a nerve :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I can't help laughing at you dear. You don't even amount to the things that have been thrown at me on this board. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyways!

[hondarobot]

No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

Truly pathetic you're so stupid. people have co-signed my stuff before too or agreed to it. Why repeat something in a thread, thats already been said? Grow up you little prick.

Little prick? :cry: Show me some respect the way you asked from me *oh, I forgot, I'm not a tgirl*

you know I've struck a nerve...if you don't say co-sign you say "agreed" or "you go girl" :lol:

Get a mind of your own.

Was he killed in a coal mine collapse? I mean, he had to die in some way. What was it?

[MrsKellyPierce]

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

if you were a transsual NR, you'd have quite a lot of work to do, judging from the pic :)

lmaoooooo

I'd have even more work since I wouldn't be passible :D FYI Trish agreed with me on that. :roll:

:claps like I give a fuck rofl you do

[Night Rider]

No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

Truly pathetic you're so stupid. people have co-signed my stuff before too or agreed to it. Why repeat something in a thread, thats already been said? Grow up you little prick.

Little prick? :cry: Show me some respect the way you asked from me *oh, I forgot, I'm not a tgirl*

you know I've struck a nerve...if you don't say co-sign you say "agreed" or "you go girl" :lol:

Get a mind of your own. NO I called you stupid cause I said co-sign to Nicole or agreed. I didn't stay on your side, which you accuse Jen of doing by calling everyone fags if they don't agree with her. Lets not be a hypocrite. Struck a nerve :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I can't help laughing at you dear. You don't even amount to the things that have been thrown at me on this board. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyways!

I'm not trying to throw things at you, you started this shit with me. I'm trying my best to keep things civil, do you really think I'm attacking you here? :lol: Get a grip. You've struck no nerves because if you read that thread, I've hardly commented in it, nor have I complained about being called a fag. Get your facts right before you start talking shit.

[MrsKellyPierce]

No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

Truly pathetic you're so stupid. people have co-signed my stuff before too or agreed to it. Why repeat something in a thread, thats already been said? Grow up you little prick.

Little prick? :cry: Show me some respect the way you asked from me *oh, I forgot, I'm not a tgirl*

you know I've struck a nerve...if you don't say co-sign you say "agreed" or "you go girl" :lol:

Get a mind of your own. NO I called you stupid cause I said co-sign to Nicole or agreed. I didn't stay on your side, which you accuse Jen of doing by calling everyone fags if they don't agree with her. Lets not be a hypocrite. Struck a nerve :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I can't help laughing at you dear. You don't even amount to the things that have been thrown at me on this board. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyways!

I'm not trying to throw things at you, you started this shit with me. I'm trying my best to keep things civil, do you really think I'm attacking you here? :lol: Get a grip. You've struck no nerves because if you read that thread, I've hardly commented in it, nor have I complained about being called a fag. Get your facts right before you start talking shit. Oh yes always the victim how enlightening.

[hondarobot]

Was he trampled by goats? You want to get into other peoples lives, let's go.

Did your father die while attempting to climb a mountain? That would be kinda cool. I'm just "keeping it real".

:lol:

[Night Rider]

No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

Truly pathetic you're so stupid. people have co-signed my stuff before too or agreed to it. Why repeat something in a thread, thats already been said? Grow up you little prick.

Little prick? :cry: Show me some respect the way you asked from me *oh, I forgot, I'm not a tgirl*

you know I've struck a nerve...if you don't say co-sign you say "agreed" or "you go girl" :lol:

Get a mind of your own. NO I called you stupid cause I said co-sign to Nicole or agreed. I didn't stay on your side, which you accuse Jen of doing by calling everyone fags if they don't agree with her. Lets not be a hypocrite. Struck a nerve :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I can't help laughing at you dear. You don't even amount to the things that have been thrown at me on this board. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyways!

I'm not trying to throw things at you, you started this shit with me. I'm trying my best to keep things civil, do you really think I'm attacking you here? :lol: Get a grip. You've struck no nerves because if you read that thread, I've hardly commented in it, nor have I complained about being called a fag. Get your facts right before you start talking shit. Oh yes always the victim how enlightening.

You've been proven wrong again......shock of the week

I'm not acting the victim, I'm letting you know that you started the shit and now you have it in your head that I'm attacked you.

Don't take reality for granted.

[MrsKellyPierce]

No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

Truly pathetic you're so stupid. people have co-signed my stuff before too or agreed to it. Why repeat something in a thread, thats already been said? Grow up you little prick.

Little prick? :cry: Show me some respect the way you asked from me *oh, I forgot, I'm not a tgirl*

you know I've struck a nerve...if you don't say co-sign you say "agreed" or "you go girl" :lol:

Get a mind of your own. NO I called you stupid cause I said co-sign to Nicole or agreed. I didn't stay on your side, which you accuse Jen of doing by calling everyone fags if they don't agree with her. Lets not be a hypocrite. Struck a nerve :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I can't help laughing at you dear. You don't even amount to the things that have been thrown at me on this board. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyways!

I'm not trying to throw things at you, you started this shit with me. I'm trying my best to keep things civil, do you really think I'm attacking you here? :lol: Get a grip. You've struck no nerves because if you read that thread, I've hardly commented in it, nor have I complained about being called a fag. Get your facts right before you start talking shit. Oh yes always the victim how enlightening.

You've been proven wrong again......shock of the week

I'm not acting the victim, I'm letting you know that you started the shit and now you have it in your head that I'm attacked you.

Don't take reality for granted. Nightrider thats your MO everyone always starts everything with you. When it's your cocky asshat personality that offends people. READ BETWEEN THE LINES! Thats the REALITY.

[Night Rider]

No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

Truly pathetic you're so stupid. people have co-signed my stuff before too or agreed to it. Why repeat something in a thread, thats already been said? Grow up you little prick.

Little prick? :cry: Show me some respect the way you asked from me *oh, I forgot, I'm not a tgirl*

you know I've struck a nerve...if you don't say co-sign you say "agreed" or "you go girl" :lol:

Get a mind of your own. NO I called you stupid cause I said co-sign to Nicole or agreed. I didn't stay on your side, which you accuse Jen of doing by calling everyone fags if they don't agree with her. Lets not be a hypocrite. Struck a nerve :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I can't help laughing at you dear. You don't even amount to the things that have been thrown at me on this board. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyways!

I'm not trying to throw things at you, you started this shit with me. I'm trying my best to keep things civil, do you really think I'm attacking you here? :lol: Get a grip. You've struck no nerves because if you read that thread, I've hardly commented in it, nor have I complained about being called a fag. Get your facts right before you start talking shit. Oh yes always the victim how enlightening.

You've been proven wrong again......shock of the week

I'm not acting the victim, I'm letting you know that you started the shit and now you have it in your head that I'm attacked you.

Don't take reality for granted. Nightrider thats your MO everyone always starts everything with you. When it's your cocky asshat personality that offends people. READ BETWEEN THE LINES! Thats the REALITY.

Maybe it's a culture thing...I'm not easily offended or self-obsessed, I call things as they are

Whereas a lot of people here, ass-kiss like there's no tomorrow, care more about looks than anything else, are so far up their own ass that you need a glass stomach to navigate

That's reality.

[MrsKellyPierce]

No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

Truly pathetic you're so stupid. people have co-signed my stuff before too or agreed to it. Why repeat something in a thread, thats already been said? Grow up you little prick.

Little prick? :cry: Show me some respect the way you asked from me *oh, I forgot, I'm not a tgirl*

you know I've struck a nerve...if you don't say co-sign you say "agreed" or "you go girl" :lol:

Get a mind of your own. NO I called you stupid cause I said co-sign to Nicole or agreed. I didn't stay on your side, which you accuse Jen of doing by calling everyone fags if they don't agree with her. Lets not be a hypocrite. Struck a nerve :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I can't help laughing at you dear. You don't even amount to the things that have been thrown at me on this board. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyways!

I'm not trying to throw things at you, you started this shit with me. I'm trying my best to keep things civil, do you really think I'm attacking you here? :lol: Get a grip. You've struck no nerves because if you read that thread, I've hardly commented in it, nor have I complained about being called a fag. Get your facts right before you start talking shit. Oh yes always the victim how enlightening.

You've been proven wrong again......shock of the week

I'm not acting the victim, I'm letting you know that you started the shit and now you have it in your head that I'm attacked you.

Don't take reality for granted. Nightrider thats your MO everyone always starts everything with you. When it's your cocky asshat personality that offends people. READ BETWEEN THE LINES! Thats the REALITY.

Maybe it's a culture thing...I'm not easily offended or self-obsessed, I call things as they are

Whereas a lot of people here, ass-kiss like there's no tomorrow, care more about looks than anything else, are so far up their own ass that you need a glass stomach to navigate

That's reality. NO you call things in your deluded Nightrider world, then you think abou it 5 minutes later after you submitted the thought. Then you try to change it or make amends in private message. Don't act so perfect. FACE IT YOU ARE A EGOTISTICAL, SELF-RIGHTEOUS, AND COCKY. It's what makes me amused by you most of the time, besides when you hate on the girls.

[Night Rider]

[quote:2a9fb2ed5c="KellyShore"]No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

Truly pathetic you're so stupid. people have co-signed my stuff before too or agreed to it. Why repeat something in a thread, thats already been said? Grow up you little prick.

Little prick? :cry: Show me some respect the way you asked from me *oh, I forgot, I'm not a tgirl*

you know I've struck a nerve...if you don't say co-sign you say "agreed" or "you go girl" :lol:

Get a mind of your own. NO I called you stupid cause I said co-sign to Nicole or agreed. I didn't stay on your side, which you accuse Jen of doing by calling everyone fags if they don't agree with her. Lets not be a hypocrite. Struck a nerve :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I can't help laughing at you dear. You don't even amount to the things that have been thrown at me on this board. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyways!

I'm not trying to throw things at you, you started this shit with me. I'm trying my best to keep things civil, do you really think I'm attacking you here? :lol: Get a grip. You've struck no nerves because if you read that thread, I've hardly commented in it, nor have I complained about being called a fag. Get your facts right before you start talking shit. Oh yes always the victim how enlightening.

You've been proven wrong again......shock of the week

I'm not acting the victim, I'm letting you know that you started the shit and now you have it in your head that I'm attacked you.

Don't take reality for granted. Nightrider thats your MO everyone always starts everything with you. When it's your cocky asshat personality that offends people. READ BETWEEN THE LINES! Thats the REALITY.

Maybe it's a culture thing...I'm not easily offended or self-obsessed, I call things as they are

Whereas a lot of people here, ass-kiss like there's no tomorrow, care more about looks than anything else, are so far up their own ass that you need a glass stomach to navigate

That's reality. NO you call things in your deluded Nightrider world, then you think abou it 5 minutes later after you submitted the thought. Then you try to change it. Don't act so Godly again. FACE IT YOU ARE AN EGOTISTICAL, SELF-RIGHTEOUS, COCKY, ATTENTION WHORE. It's what makes me amused by you previous, besides when you hate on the girls.[/quote:2a9fb2ed5c]

I'm called deluded and egotistical from Kelly Shore....*I mean Miss Shore, as you call yourself* :wink: good one!!

This is a transsexual forum which means there are a lot of femboys and generally unstable people. It's pretty obvious that they're not going to agree with people like me, Quinn, mbf, lust4ts, vegasboy, chefmike, M77 and the other people that speak their mind here.

Don't let this place fool you, by thinking this is real life....it's a fags reunion

[MrsKellyPierce]

[quote:181793c993="Night Rider"][quote:181793c993="KellyShore"]No I meant to quote you, the last part was in reference to Nightriders thoughts. Sarcasm if you will.

If I was a transsexual you would be co-signing my thoughts

Truly pathetic you're so stupid. people have co-signed my stuff before too or agreed to it. Why repeat something in a thread, thats already been said? Grow up you little prick.

Little prick? :cry: Show me some respect the way you asked from me *oh, I forgot, I'm not a tgirl*

you know I've struck a nerve...if you don't say co-sign you say "agreed" or "you go girl" :lol:

Get a mind of your own. NO I called you stupid cause I said co-sign to Nicole or agreed. I didn't stay on your side, which you accuse Jen of doing by calling everyone fags if they don't agree with her. Lets not be a hypocrite. Struck a nerve :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I can't help laughing at you dear. You don't even amount to the things that have been thrown at me on this board. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyways!

I'm not trying to throw things at you, you started this shit with me. I'm trying my best to keep things civil, do you really think I'm attacking you here? :lol: Get a grip. You've struck no nerves because if you read that thread, I've hardly commented in it, nor have I complained about being called a fag. Get your facts right before you start talking shit. Oh yes always the victim how enlightening.

You've been proven wrong again......shock of the week

I'm not acting the victim, I'm letting you know that you started the shit and now you have it in your head that I'm attacked you.

Don't take reality for granted. Nightrider thats your MO everyone always starts everything with you. When it's your cocky asshat personality that offends people. READ BETWEEN THE LINES! Thats the REALITY.

Maybe it's a culture thing...I'm not easily offended or self-obsessed, I call things as they are

Whereas a lot of people here, ass-kiss like there's no tomorrow, care more about looks than anything else, are so far up their own ass that you need a glass stomach to navigate

That's reality. NO you call things in your deluded Nightrider world, then you think abou it 5 minutes later after you submitted the thought. Then you try to change it. Don't act so Godly again. FACE IT YOU ARE AN EGOTISTICAL, SELF-RIGHTEOUS, COCKY, ATTENTION WHORE. It's what makes me amused by you previous, besides when you hate on the girls.[/quote:181793c993]

I'm called deluded and egotistical from Kelly Shore....*I mean Miss Shore, as you call yourself* :wink: good one!!

This is a transsexual forum which means there are a lot of femboys and generally unstable people. It's pretty obvious that they're not going to agree with people like me, Quinn, mbf, lust4ts, vegasboy, chefmike, M77 and the other people that speak their mind here.

Don't let this place fool you, by thinking this is real life....it's a fags reunion[/quote:181793c993]Rofl at you putting yourself with Quinn or Lust. The others I wont say my opinion on. YOU DON'T SPEAK YOUR MIND...YOU TRY TO PISS PEOPLE OFF to get a REACTION! Then you argue argue argue, and then you say "you started it with me" YOUR MO!

Oh yes calling myself Miss is so egotistical, wow I believe people write letters like that?

And trust me I know this isn't real life, when I shut off my computer I don't think about Hung Angels haha.

Otherwise I would of had a good-bye message a llllllllllllllllllooongggggggg time ago.



So please stop trying to belittle me and acting like "your the man" it's pathetic. I am not easily offended!

And this isn't the NWO (NEW WORLD ORDER) stop trying to fuse a gang together.

[Night Rider]

Maybe you're a lost cause Kelly...I tried to talk some sense into you but it just goes straight over that big head of yours. You started the shit with me...right or wrong?

I used Quinn and lust as examples because they are good guys yet there are a few fags here that disrepect them because they're honest. I'm not saying I'm anything like them.

You're the biggest attention whore on here and you just need to look at the threads you've made to confirm that.

"I'm bored...entertain me" -- how many times have you made NEW threads for that?? Answer - Too fucking many

So stop acting the victim for once in your miserable life and keep your hypocritical, boring, whiney trap shut.

Thank you.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Maybe you're a lost cause Kelly...I tried to talk some sense into you but it just goes straight over that big head of yours. You started the shit with me...right or wrong?

I used Quinn and lust as examples because they are good guys yet there are a few fags here that disrepect them because they're honest. I'm not saying I'm anything like them.

You're the biggest attention whore on here and you just need to look at the threads you've made to confirm that.

"I'm bored...entertain me" -- how many times have you made NEW threads for that?? Answer - Too fucking many

So stop acting the victim for once in your miserable life and keep your hypocritical, boring, whiney trap shut.

Thank you. Exuse me thats called boredom. This is what I use the forum for WHEN I'm BORED. You use it for a flame fest. ROFL Oh yes I'm an attention whore. People make threads about me, I don't ask them to. People have been making threads about me since the first day I posted on HA. Trust me I don't make a big deal out of it and get annoyed of it. I however always try to act gracious and considerate to each new post about me like it's the first time I heard it. Not because I'm a "kiss ass" because it's called proper respect and not being to "big headed" as you say I am. I could act completely different and be like Omg duh or STFU I already know that blah blah. I don't so I don't see where you are getting the "big head" thing at.

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

*ahem*
pardon me :D
you guys realize you've been at this for more than


THREE HOURS NOW ?


do you feel like anything at all has been resolved? if not then drop it already....
you stopped "hearing" each other and don't care what the point is anymore, right?
at this point you just want to "win" the debate-----can't you consider it

.........a DRAW !?!?

[Night Rider]

Maybe you're a lost cause Kelly...I tried to talk some sense into you but it just goes straight over that big head of yours. You started the shit with me...right or wrong?

I used Quinn and lust as examples because they are good guys yet there are a few fags here that disrepect them because they're honest. I'm not saying I'm anything like them.

You're the biggest attention whore on here and you just need to look at the threads you've made to confirm that.

"I'm bored...entertain me" -- how many times have you made NEW threads for that?? Answer - Too fucking many

So stop acting the victim for once in your miserable life and keep your hypocritical, boring, whiney trap shut.

Thank you. Exuse me thats called boredom. This is what I use the forum for WHEN I'm BORED. You use it for a flame fest. ROFL Oh yes I'm an attention whore. People make threads about me, I don't ask them to. People have been making threads about me since the first day I posted on HA. Trust me I don't make a big deal out of it and get annoyed of it. I however always try to act gracious and considerate to each new post about me like it's the first time I heard it. Not because I'm a "kiss ass" because it's called proper respect and not being to "big headed" as you say I am. I could act completely different and be like Omg duh or STFU I already know that blah blah. I don't so I don't see where you are getting the "big head" thing at.

You think I'm egotistical, I think you're big headed....who knows or cares who's right?

You seem to think I thrive on attention which couldn't be further from the truth. How many flamethreads have been created for me compared to the 2 I've made? I'm the one fighting a battle from a gang of faggots but I don't resort to making threads for attention about it. Come on now Kelly, pull it together.

Wheras with you, I can name a lot of posters off the top of my head that know that you come here for the attention as well as other things. Coincidence, the truth is out there...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Maybe you're a lost cause Kelly...I tried to talk some sense into you but it just goes straight over that big head of yours. You started the shit with me...right or wrong?

I used Quinn and lust as examples because they are good guys yet there are a few fags here that disrepect them because they're honest. I'm not saying I'm anything like them.

You're the biggest attention whore on here and you just need to look at the threads you've made to confirm that.

"I'm bored...entertain me" -- how many times have you made NEW threads for that?? Answer - Too fucking many

So stop acting the victim for once in your miserable life and keep your hypocritical, boring, whiney trap shut.

Thank you. Exuse me thats called boredom. This is what I use the forum for WHEN I'm BORED. You use it for a flame fest. ROFL Oh yes I'm an attention whore. People make threads about me, I don't ask them to. People have been making threads about me since the first day I posted on HA. Trust me I don't make a big deal out of it and get annoyed of it. I however always try to act gracious and considerate to each new post about me like it's the first time I heard it. Not because I'm a "kiss ass" because it's called proper respect and not being to "big headed" as you say I am. I could act completely different and be like Omg duh or STFU I already know that blah blah. I don't so I don't see where you are getting the "big head" thing at.

You think I'm egotistical, I think you're big headed....who knows or cares who's right?

You seem to think I thrive on attention which couldn't be further from the truth. How many flamethreads have been created for me compared to the 2 I've made? I'm the one fighting a battle from a gang of faggots but I don't resort to making threads for attention about it. Come on now Kelly, pull it together.

Wheras with you, I can name a lot of posters off the top of my head that know that you come here for the attention as well as other things. Coincidence, the truth is out there... Thats their perception I come here for "attention" I don't care what their perception is. The people that have actually spoke with me in the chatrooms are quite surprised by my personality. So tell it to the pope.

[Night Rider]

Thats their perception I come here for "attention" I don't care what their perception is. The people that have actually spoke with me in the chatrooms are quite surprised by my personality. So tell it to the pope.

You make me laugh even though you're an attention whore.

I never questioned your personality...liking attention is not neccessarily a weakness.

I don't hold grudges and I hope you don't either.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Thats their perception I come here for "attention" I don't care what their perception is. The people that have actually spoke with me in the chatrooms are quite surprised by my personality. So tell it to the pope.

You make me laugh even though you're an attention whore.

I never questioned your personality...liking attention is not neccessarily a weakness.

I don't hold grudges and I hope you don't either. You think I'm attacking you when I'm just explaining why people react the way they do and why we transsexuals get offended by you and also why I personally. Then you turn it back into a flame war.

[Night Rider]

Thats their perception I come here for "attention" I don't care what their perception is. The people that have actually spoke with me in the chatrooms are quite surprised by my personality. So tell it to the pope.

You make me laugh even though you're an attention whore.

I never questioned your personality...liking attention is not neccessarily a weakness.

I don't hold grudges and I hope you don't either. You think I'm attacking you when I'm just explaining why people react the way they do and why we transsexuals get offended by you and also why I personally. Then you turn it back into a flame war.

:banghead :frustrated

[MrsKellyPierce]

Thats their perception I come here for "attention" I don't care what their perception is. The people that have actually spoke with me in the chatrooms are quite surprised by my personality. So tell it to the pope.

You make me laugh even though you're an attention whore.

I never questioned your personality...liking attention is not neccessarily a weakness.

I don't hold grudges and I hope you don't either. You think I'm attacking you when I'm just explaining why people react the way they do and why we transsexuals get offended by you and also why I personally. Then you turn it back into a flame war.

:banghead :frustrated exactly I WIN :lol: :lol: don't argue with me bitch you lose just like on your post count.

[Night Rider]

Thats their perception I come here for "attention" I don't care what their perception is. The people that have actually spoke with me in the chatrooms are quite surprised by my personality. So tell it to the pope.

You make me laugh even though you're an attention whore.

I never questioned your personality...liking attention is not neccessarily a weakness.

I don't hold grudges and I hope you don't either. You think I'm attacking you when I'm just explaining why people react the way they do and why we transsexuals get offended by you and also why I personally. Then you turn it back into a flame war.

:banghead :frustrated exactly I WIN :lol: :lol: don't argue with me bitch you lose just like on your post count.

Ok, you win........it's nothing to do with me beating a dead horse

:deadhorse

...here's a lolly

[MrsKellyPierce]

Thats their perception I come here for "attention" I don't care what their perception is. The people that have actually spoke with me in the chatrooms are quite surprised by my personality. So tell it to the pope.

You make me laugh even though you're an attention whore.

I never questioned your personality...liking attention is not neccessarily a weakness.

I don't hold grudges and I hope you don't either. You think I'm attacking you when I'm just explaining why people react the way they do and why we transsexuals get offended by you and also why I personally. Then you turn it back into a flame war.

:banghead :frustrated exactly I WIN :lol: :lol: don't argue with me bitch you lose just like on your post count.

Ok, you win........it's nothing to do with me beating a dead horse

:deadhorse

...here's a lolly and you cheating bastard stop arguing with people you are now at 4,445 you sloot.

[hondarobot]

Thats their perception I come here for "attention" I don't care what their perception is. The people that have actually spoke with me in the chatrooms are quite surprised by my personality. So tell it to the pope.

You make me laugh even though you're an attention whore.

I never questioned your personality...liking attention is not neccessarily a weakness.

I don't hold grudges and I hope you don't either. You think I'm attacking you when I'm just explaining why people react the way they do and why we transsexuals get offended by you and also why I personally. Then you turn it back into a flame war.

:banghead :frustrated exactly I WIN :lol: :lol: don't argue with me bitch you lose just like on your post count.

Ok, you win........it's nothing to do with me beating a dead horse

:deadhorse

...here's a lolly

Hot air balloon crash? I don't know, let's keep it real. How did your father die?

edit: I spelled "balloon" wrong. I was grieving the loss of NR's father, whoever he was.

[Night Rider]

and you cheating bastard stop arguing with people you are now at 4,445 you sloot.

you called me a bastard....hold on til I get a noose :D

It's actually 4546 biiiiiiiiitch

I'm coming for you :twisted:

[hondarobot]

and you cheating bastard stop arguing with people you are now at 4,445 you sloot.

you called me a bastard....hold on til I get a noose :D

It's actually 4546 biiiiiiiiitch

I'm coming for you :twisted:

You're doing a hell of a lot, I bet.

You're dad still dead?

[Night Rider]

You're dad still dead?

last time I checked he was non-existant - just like your sex life

[hondarobot]

You're dad still dead?

last time I checked he was non-existant - just like your sex life

I had great sex last night. Your father was not involved, of course, because of his being dead. He probably would have enjoyed the show.

But he's dead, so he missed out.

[mbf]

And you, mbf, obviously get off on playing devil's advocate consistently against the girls. But plain and simple: the girls should not be the easy targets here.


Now that makes me curious a little bit. Care to elaborate? Preferribly in private. I in fact do speak my mind, I am not faceless at all and I had a relationship with a TS for one year. Does that make me an expert? Obviously not but I am not your average dream jockey.

[EyeCumInPiece]

Ok Kel, I'll bite, you are disgusted because...... It's fairly obvious with the mens attitudes on here. Dissing our looks, calling us "stupid bitches", etc etc etc manners has been way forgotten on here.

And when men don't act like this they are called kiss asses. Which is utter ridiculous or when girls give each other compliments we are kissing each others asses. It's so lame.

Kelly id gladly kiss your ass!!! Muaaahhhhhzzz right on the left cheek.

[hondarobot]

And you, mbf, obviously get off on playing devil's advocate consistently against the girls. But plain and simple: the girls should not be the easy targets here.


Now that makes me curious a little bit. Care to elaborate? Preferribly in private. I in fact do speak my mind, I am not faceless at all and I had a relationship with a TS for one year. Does that make me an expert? Obviously not but I am not your average dream jockey.

You are a weird ass loser. That's pretty clear I think. Send some more girls some jam, heh.

[Night Rider]

You're dad still dead?

last time I checked he was non-existant - just like your sex life

I had great sex last night. Your father was not involved, of course, because of his being dead. He probably would have enjoyed the show.

But he's dead, so he missed out.

I don't think he was a realdoll fan anyway

[hondarobot]

Probably not. So, how did he die?

[hondarobot]

come on, he's dead now, what happened?

[Night Rider]

I told you - he died on the cross like our father who art in heaven

[hondarobot]

I told you - he died on the cross like our father who art in heaven

I don't believe that. He died in a really stupid way, just a guess.

[mbf]

Now that makes me curious a little bit. Care to elaborate? Preferribly in private. I in fact do speak my mind, I am not faceless at all and I had a relationship with a TS for one year. Does that make me an expert? Obviously not but I am not your average dream jockey.Elaborate on what? No girl here wants to be fucked with. That's it. The more the guys look thrive on drama, the more they'll get called fags and immature. I hate to break the news to you, but it IS gay. And trying to make excuses for it is even gayer. Is that shocking?

well, I have been called fag once - you guessed it tsntx. Immature, never, oh wait, you did once as well. Seems like your perception of things differs from others. *shrug*

[Night Rider]

The more the guys look thrive on drama

If you're going to make statements like that - name name's

[hondarobot]

Now that makes me curious a little bit. Care to elaborate? Preferribly in private. I in fact do speak my mind, I am not faceless at all and I had a relationship with a TS for one year. Does that make me an expert? Obviously not but I am not your average dream jockey.Elaborate on what? No girl here wants to be fucked with. That's it. The more the guys look thrive on drama, the more they'll get called fags and immature. I hate to break the news to you, but it IS gay. And trying to make excuses for it is even gayer. Is that shocking?

I think most guys here are transitional gay, can't fault 'em for that. There's a lot of people on this forum though, what ya gonna do?

It's complicated.

[Night Rider]

do you see him writing a novel's worth of post going after Honda?

We all like the entertainment of it all, that's the main reason I come here. If there was no entertainment I wouldn't be hanging around listening to a bunch of tgirls bickering about who's a real gentlemen, and how hard it is being a transsexual. No disrespect but there's a lot more to this site than discussing transsexuals, that's why there are so many 'off topic' threads.

If you look at hondarobot's posts today, there are several I ignored which isn't easy for me to do. He craves his 15mins of attention a day and he's not worried about the fact that's it's of his expense.

[echimandu]

Ok Kel, I'll bite, you are disgusted because...... It's fairly obvious with the mens attitudes on here. Dissing our looks, calling us "stupid bitches", etc etc etc manners has been way forgotten on here.

And when men don't act like this they are called kiss asses. Which is utter ridiculous or when girls give each other compliments we are kissing each others asses. It's so lame.Wrong Kelly! As far as I can see, the girls who are dissed here are the ones who have disgusting attitudes towards men. Calling them fag, and queer and the like for no reason. Not saying that you do this Kel, but you know who does. Someone in Texas is well known for this. Among others. Hey, you get what you put out.

[echimandu]

Now that makes me curious a little bit. Care to elaborate? Preferribly in private. I in fact do speak my mind, I am not faceless at all and I had a relationship with a TS for one year. Does that make me an expert? Obviously not but I am not your average dream jockey.Elaborate on what? No girl here wants to be fucked with. That's it. The more the guys look thrive on drama, the more they'll get called fags and immature. I hate to break the news to you, but it IS gay. And trying to make excuses for it is even gayer. Is that shocking?

I think most guys here are transitional gay, can't fault 'em for that. There's a lot of people on this forum though, what ya gonna do?

It's complicated.You know, it is true what they say about you. You really are a dumbfuck.

[echimandu]

i appreciate that, i really do. what was so depressing about that episode is it wasn't just one guy. suddenly there was a whole bushel of guys out for blood just because i was honest enough to confess i was a woman in transition!
Hum I'm going to let you in on a little secret.
WE MEN ARE DUMB!It's simple we are really stupid. On a good day we aren't half bad but on a bad day....wow watch out! We can be really stupid. And this man was a total jerk. The bouncers should have hauled his ass out of there ASAP!
And along they way they should have bounced his head off some walls, the floor and the door!
As for a solution to this problem, hun I don't know.
Mayb it's a good thing? No one night stands with random guys at bars?
Which totally sucks for me because....well a man can hope right?
But don't look at it in a bad light, ok so you met a total A-hole! His loss.
But maybe you should just give a guy your number and tell him over the phone. That way you are safe. And after all that's what matters most in this world, your personal safety and happiness.
But next time you are out at a club and you see some guy, shaved head gotee brown eyes a bit of a tan who allways requests Daft Punk.....it's me. :-) And if you get in troubble just aks and I'll jump in and do my best to help ok.
And hun, from the entire male population, i know it doesn't mean much but, I'm sorry!Dude, please speak for your fucking self!!!!!!!

[lust4ts]

Kel I understand that you are disgusted and that is fair enough!

But I am disgusted by Jen and the way she refers to and treats people, the Poll NR made is maybe over the top and a bit too harsh but it is retaliation to her making polls about him.

It's not really fair to define that calling guys fags and queers and chasers all the time is any different to calling girls men or using the way they look in arguments.

With the Mimi shit, Jen ripped into the way Mimi looked, called her a man on lots of occasions. But because she is another girl it is somehow OK. She goes around here in the threads calling girls men and hideous, I seem to remember when you were not friends with her she was happy to call you a man and a whore. Why is it one rule for her, one for another?

I have never agreed with either people’s views before, all the fights with NR and Nicole and Jen I stayed out of it. How is bringing someone’s dead parents into it, any worse than calling someone a man, they are both as bad as each other.

I respect all the girls here as women, and me and NR's views do differ but I support his right to do the same things that many girls do themselves here.

It is a fact that when a girl does something like this people turn a blind eye and say, "Oh she's just having a laugh" or, "She's just being bitchy" but when a guy says it, it is suddenly overly offensive.

Kel you know I like and you are a sweet girl, but if you feel so strongly about those points, when Jen was calling Mimi a man, and saying she is a ugly bitch, why were you not disgusted then.

I see your point and agree with it, my plight is with the double standards and unfairness.

And do you think if Jen had a picture of NR and there was anything in it to use against him, she wouldn't?

She brought me into this shit for questioning her view point, and I am not calling her a man, but she is a vicious hypocritical, whining to mods, ban advocating CUNT! And I stand by that.

[echimandu]

generalisations are lame. Name it, you mean nightrider and lust4ts. They had disputes recently with nicole dupree and tsntx. NONE of them is innocent in those flamewars.

I am disgusted too, by the tendency of SOME HHA that they obviously believe ANY men who is on this site is

A)a cockhound
B)a chaser

will this end? no, sadly enough all likely not. Not many have the personal souveregnity to have disputes WITHOUT namecalling or to move on , or to let it go.

good that we have sorted that out, but I d like to hear your opinion on my other points, disrespect towards the guys?

You know for instance, we are likely to get shit for beeing on the downlow, but if some guy with experience with a TS is open about it, he is deemed a "chaser" by many TS. What is oyur stance on that?Souveregnity?" Anyway...

You're comparing our real life experiences with the frat boy vibe of the forum. No one is accusing many of the guys in question of any of those things because they're self-admittedly inexperienced. There's a lot of variation with the guys here, but certain ones are the common denominators in most of the friction here. And you, mbf, obviously get off on playing devil's advocate consistently against the girls. But plain and simple: the girls should not be the easy targets here.

1. We're outnumbered by guys who are faceless amateurs in the world of Tgirls.

2. Certain guys are as guilty of acting like irate hairdressers with one another as they are with the girls.

3. I sometimes think that many guys here are jealous of the attention we get, and feel a need to take us down a few pegs for forum fame, which is pathetic. Well good luck, because the reality away from the keyboard is not changing. Accept that , essentially, you're the "fans" and we're the "stars". Most of you would pay for our images and attention outside of this forum. And I think that we all act pretty graciously and nice to you considering that obvious difference. It's a thrill for many guys to able to talk to, say, Danielle or Vicki. Why should a handful of guys fuck that up for the majority?
And Night rider, I'm not targeting you here. This dynamic has existed and been the sad truth about this forum for years.This explains a lot about you. Now I see why you are the way you are. COMPLETELY FUCKING DELUDED! You're the the stars? LMFAO. Not one girl here is a star to me. Their people that work in the sex industry. PERIOD! Get a clue. See, I've been on the scene for a number of years. Long enough to have fucked a well known tranny porno performer from the late 80's-early 90's. Next time you make a stupid blanket statement like that, be aware that not everyone here is a rookie or a chaser.

[echimandu]

Kel I understand that you are disgusted and that is fair enough!

But I am disgusted by Jen and the way she refers to and treats people, the Poll NR made is maybe over the top and a bit too harsh but it is retaliation to her making polls about him.

It's not really fair to define that calling guys fags and queers and chasers all the time is any different to calling girls men or using the way they look in arguments.

With the Mimi shit, Jen ripped into the way Mimi looked, called her a man on lots of occasions. But because she is another girl it is somehow OK. She goes around here in the threads calling girls men and hideous, I seem to remember when you were not friends with her she was happy to call you a man and a whore. Why is it one rule for her, one for another?

I have never agreed with either people’s views before, all the fights with NR and Nicole and Jen I stayed out of it. How is bringing someone’s dead parents into it, any worse than calling someone a man, they are both as bad as each other.

I respect all the girls here as women, and me and NR's views do differ but I support his right to do the same things that many girls do themselves here.

It is a fact that when a girl does something like this people turn a blind eye and say, "Oh she's just having a laugh" or, "She's just being bitchy" but when a guy says it, it is suddenly overly offensive.

Kel you know I like and you are a sweet girl, but if you feel so strongly about those points, when Jen was calling Mimi a man, and saying she is a ugly bitch, why were you not disgusted then.

I see your point and agree with it, my plight is with the double standards and unfairness.

And do you think if Jen had a picture of NR and there was anything in it to use against him, she wouldn't?

She brought me into this shit for questioning her view point, and I am not calling her a man, but she is a vicious hypocritical, whining to mods, ban advocating CUNT! And I stand by that.Thank you lust. This says it all. All so very true. Of course Kelly will twist all of this somehow and try to flip it so it really doesn't make as much sense as it does.

[tollroad]

All I'm saying is that the girls deserve as much or more energy being defended from people like tollroad as what guys here put into arguing with a transsexual. Grown men don't argue with women. I'm sorry.

Boy George thought he was a woman once. If you say it enough, of course it is true.

[echimandu]

generalisations are lame. Name it, you mean nightrider and lust4ts. They had disputes recently with nicole dupree and tsntx. NONE of them is innocent in those flamewars.

I am disgusted too, by the tendency of SOME HHA that they obviously believe ANY men who is on this site is

A)a cockhound
B)a chaser

will this end? no, sadly enough all likely not. Not many have the personal souveregnity to have disputes WITHOUT namecalling or to move on , or to let it go.

good that we have sorted that out, but I d like to hear your opinion on my other points, disrespect towards the guys?

You know for instance, we are likely to get shit for beeing on the downlow, but if some guy with experience with a TS is open about it, he is deemed a "chaser" by many TS. What is oyur stance on that?Souveregnity?" Anyway...

You're comparing our real life experiences with the frat boy vibe of the forum. No one is accusing many of the guys in question of any of those things because they're self-admittedly inexperienced. There's a lot of variation with the guys here, but certain ones are the common denominators in most of the friction here. And you, mbf, obviously get off on playing devil's advocate consistently against the girls. But plain and simple: the girls should not be the easy targets here.

1. We're outnumbered by guys who are faceless amateurs in the world of Tgirls.

2. Certain guys are as guilty of acting like irate hairdressers with one another as they are with the girls.

3. I sometimes think that many guys here are jealous of the attention we get, and feel a need to take us down a few pegs for forum fame, which is pathetic. Well good luck, because the reality away from the keyboard is not changing. Accept that , essentially, you're the "fans" and we're the "stars". Most of you would pay for our images and attention outside of this forum. And I think that we all act pretty graciously and nice to you considering that obvious difference. It's a thrill for many guys to able to talk to, say, Danielle or Vicki. Why should a handful of guys fuck that up for the majority?
And Night rider, I'm not targeting you here. This dynamic has existed and been the sad truth about this forum for years.This explains a lot about you. Now I see why you are the way you are. COMPLETELY FUCKING DELUDED! You're the the stars? LMFAO. Not one girl here is a star to me. Their people that work in the sex industry. PERIOD! Get a clue. See, I've been on the scene for a number of years. Long enough to have fucked a well known tranny porno performer from the late 80's-early 90's. Next time you make a stupid blanket statement like that, be aware that not everyone here is a rookie or a chaser.I didn't ask for a resume'. But when did I say "every guy"? Why are you thinking it's about you for some reason? I don't think I'm a star; I put star in quotes because I was using the term loosely.But this is a transsexual forum. The Tgirls are the women that you all supposedly are attracted to and like, right? So why are you shocked that we expect some common courtesy?Give it and it will be returned. I stand by that. I can't speak for every guy here. But thats how I roll.

[lust4ts]

So why are you shocked that we expect some common courtesy?

You are correct, but it works both ways, what is the difference between calling guys who like Transsexuals Fags, chasers, queers and calling Transsexuals men. Both are wrong so why is one any more exceptable than the other?

If you want to be seen as women, which incidentally I see you as, you can't then turn around and say we are fags for having an interest in you when it suits you, that is ridiculous.

And when Jen was calling Mimi an ugly bitch and a man, why were you OK with that?

[tollroad]

If you want to be seen as women, which incidentally I see you as, you can then turn around and say we are fags for having an interest in you when it suits you, that is ridiculous.

As long as you chase post-ops, then you are not gay.

[lust4ts]

If you want to be seen as women, which incidentally I see you as, you can then turn around and say we are fags for having an interest in you when it suits you, that is ridiculous.

As long as you chase post-ops, then you are not gay.

That's a whole other debate, this is about fairness and non double standards that should be upheld at this forum, that has nothing to with the point in question and you know it!

[tollroad]

If you want to be seen as women, which incidentally I see you as, you can then turn around and say we are fags for having an interest in you when it suits you, that is ridiculous.

As long as you chase post-ops, then you are not gay.

That's a whole other debate, this is about fairness and double standards that should be upheld at this forum, that has nothing to with the point in question and you know it!

Yes but if a knob goblin considers himself a chaser, but only of pre-ops, then he is in fact gay, and the accusation of fag is warranted.

[bezane]

Grown men don't argue with women. I'm sorry.

Nicole does make a great point here. And let's hope that Jen and others that throw the the FAG thing about use it in the spirit of the poster being a gossip, as opposed to being attracted to a Transsexual.

Imagine this being a meeting place board for GG's and the men that "adore them." Would we all argue about the shit they talk about. Where I come from girls would call many guys "Guidos" and the Guidos were really offended by this. Basically the girls thought on Guidos was, they were a bit behind the times, narcissistic, Neanderthals, that wore ignorance on their sleeves.

Or if a guy was a gossip, he was a "Woman." Calling a guy a woman on the lower east side circa 1984 or so, was a fight coming from another guy, but from a woman it was paralyzing. It meant she had no respect for you because you were engaging in behavior unfit for a man.

So let's hope the girls here are using the word "fag" to express disgust with bad behavior. I honestly believe the girls here that think they are so passable and only date "straight" men are not being totally honest with themselves.

I love so many beauties here that are not 100% passable. They are sexy. They will never be 100% passable. Either it's not in their cards or they went beyond that point with surgeries that leave them a bit cartoonish, much like any GG that has obviously gone under the knife. It's a look that can be dynamite when done right in my opinion on Trans girls but not so much on GGs. Odd but true.

True passable means they are not passable as a Transsexual when you think about it. The girl I'm dating qualifies as that and truthfully there's something not quite as sexy about her even though she's a knockout. But I like her a lot and thats the main purpose. Wish she wasn't so far away.

I don't like Kelly generalizing. I think her criticism is valid but should have been more focussed, but whether we're talking Transsexuals or GG's or Heavy or Thin or Man with hair or no hair, I believe this forum should above all others be a place of the utmost respect. And it is not. And thats Kelly's message.

Trish, stop hitting on those unsuspecting Guidos and come hither!!!!LOL.

[lust4ts]

If you want to be seen as women, which incidentally I see you as, you can then turn around and say we are fags for having an interest in you when it suits you, that is ridiculous.

As long as you chase post-ops, then you are not gay.

That's a whole other debate, this is about fairness and double standards that should be upheld at this forum, that has nothing to with the point in question and you know it!

Yes but if a knob goblin considers himself a chaser, but only of pre-ops, then he is in fact gay, and the accusation of fag is warranted.

Well that is a fair point, irrelevant but fair none the less.

You are not listening to my point. If it is OK for one of the girls to call another girl a man or a hideous bitch and call a guy a fag when ever they feel like it..

Then why is not OK for a guy to do the same, that is why I refer to double standards!

The point you are making has nothing to do with this thread, you have your own agenda, that is obvious and I am not disagreeing its just pointless and nonsensical in this thread.

[mbf]

And here you have tollroad in your midst calling all pre-ops "men" and the guys who like them, "gay". Let's see how ambitious any of you guys are to speak up.

trollroad is a troll as much as smashysmashy. There is no "debate" possible so why bother. He/she whoever will just continue his/her hate speech. boring.

[lust4ts]

If you want to be seen as women, which incidentally I see you as, you can then turn around and say we are fags for having an interest in you when it suits you, that is ridiculous.

As long as you chase post-ops, then you are not gay.

That's a whole other debate, this is about fairness and double standards that should be upheld at this forum, that has nothing to with the point in question and you know it!

Yes but if a knob goblin considers himself a chaser, but only of pre-ops, then he is in fact gay, and the accusation of fag is warranted.

Well that is a fair point, irrelevant but fair none the less.
:smh There are some truly fucked up people here who just don't belong.

I agreee that a guy who only likes Pre OP transsexuals, only for there Cock is most likely gay.

Of course liking Transsexuals whether they or Pre op or not is not gay, but only liking them for there cock is. I think it was you who made up the saying Cock Bandit correct?

Look I have said I respect you all as women and tollroad talks allot of shit about the Pre-Op's but in this case he was referring to guys who are only about the cock, and that is gay. Read it.

This is not the point anyway, please answer my post about double standards, the one that was aimed at you. I noticed you ignored it.

[brickcitybrother]

I would not brand all men to this opinion, but I will agree some men who post on here are lacking even basic etiquette ><

A Lewis Hamilton fan I see!!!!

[lust4ts]

Here you go nicole!


And when Jen was calling Mimi an ugly bitch and a man, why were you OK with that?

[lust4ts]

Grown men don't argue with women. I'm sorry.

Nicole: Point of clarification. Are you saying that a man should never argue with a woman, or are you saying that two adults regardless of gender (man/woman; woman/woman; man/man) can disagree and have have an intelligent, respectful, exchange of ideas?

Exactly, it takes two people to argue but only the women has the right to. :roll: That is just the type of bullshit I expect to hear around here.

And again Nicole!


And when Jen was calling Mimi an ugly bitch and a man, why were you OK with that?

[chefmike]

No, I'm just posting. I have a father, by the way, hung out with him on Christmas. You didn't. Let's troll, asshole.

I'm sure he was happy to spend time with his jizz-mopping, transsexual, lesbian daughter...

LMFAO!! It was bad enough that his dad fathered an imbecilic midget! Poor suffering bastard...then imagine when tardbot first opened his mouth and his dad heard the voice of Truman Capote coming from his slack-jawed son's face...he must be so proud of his jizzmopping son jeffrey...

[chefmike]

double

[lust4ts]

Here you go nicole!


And when Jen was calling Mimi an ugly bitch and a man, why were you OK with that?
I'm not "ok with it". It's sad. I don't want to see any TS arguing. Why do you think I'm "ok with it"?


Because the only time you make a fuss about it or advocate someone being banned is when it is a guy!

I also think it is wrong, on that we agree, but all too often around here it is one rule for the girls another for the guys. And this is not just you, the double standards that exist are clear.

The fact is when another girl is calling someone a man, you never see a fellow HHA calling her out on it. The minute a guy does it, it is "ban him". Why?

[lust4ts]

I agreee that a guy who only likes Pre OP transsexuals, only for there Cock is most likely gay.

Of course liking Transsexuals whether they or Pre op or not is not gay, but only liking them for there cock is. I think it was you who made up the saying Cock Bandit correct?

Look I have said I respect you all as women and tollroad talks allot of shit about the Pre-Op's but in this case he was referring to guys who are only about the cock, and that is gay. Read it.

This is not the point anyway, please answer my post about double standards, the one that was aimed at you. I noticed you ignored it.Just because I came up with the term "faceless cockbandit", doesn't mean that you understood how I meant it. To me, a cockbandit was a guy who was a blatant misogynist, and only came here to anonymously steal cock jpgs or look at the cock shots, but never had the courage or desire to get to know a TS outside of this forum.

Then I apologise for taking the meaning out of context and that is a correct assessment of those people, so sorry!

Look I am all about the right for people to express themselves and I strongly believe that all the girls here are women, I just want to things on a level field.

[lust4ts]

Here you go nicole!


And when Jen was calling Mimi an ugly bitch and a man, why were you OK with that?
I'm not "ok with it". It's sad. I don't want to see any TS arguing. Why do you think I'm "ok with it"?


Because the only time you make a fuss about it or advocate someone being banned is when it is a guy!

I also think it is wrong, on that we agree, but all too often around here it is one rule for the girls another for the guys. And this is not just you, the double standards that exist are clear.

The fact is when another girl is calling someone a man, you never see a fellow HHA calling her out on it. The minute a guy does it, it is "ban him". Why?

Sorry to be a cunt and keep bringing this back. I am not trying to insult, in fact I respect you, but? you

[LTR_Seeker]

What Happened come home from work & big fight breaks out lol

[echimandu]

generalisations are lame. Name it, you mean nightrider and lust4ts. They had disputes recently with nicole dupree and tsntx. NONE of them is innocent in those flamewars.

I am disgusted too, by the tendency of SOME HHA that they obviously believe ANY men who is on this site is

A)a cockhound
B)a chaser

will this end? no, sadly enough all likely not. Not many have the personal souveregnity to have disputes WITHOUT namecalling or to move on , or to let it go.

good that we have sorted that out, but I d like to hear your opinion on my other points, disrespect towards the guys?

You know for instance, we are likely to get shit for beeing on the downlow, but if some guy with experience with a TS is open about it, he is deemed a "chaser" by many TS. What is oyur stance on that?Souveregnity?" Anyway...

You're comparing our real life experiences with the frat boy vibe of the forum. No one is accusing many of the guys in question of any of those things because they're self-admittedly inexperienced. There's a lot of variation with the guys here, but certain ones are the common denominators in most of the friction here. And you, mbf, obviously get off on playing devil's advocate consistently against the girls. But plain and simple: the girls should not be the easy targets here.

1. We're outnumbered by guys who are faceless amateurs in the world of Tgirls.

2. Certain guys are as guilty of acting like irate hairdressers with one another as they are with the girls.

3. I sometimes think that many guys here are jealous of the attention we get, and feel a need to take us down a few pegs for forum fame, which is pathetic. Well good luck, because the reality away from the keyboard is not changing. Accept that , essentially, you're the "fans" and we're the "stars". Most of you would pay for our images and attention outside of this forum. And I think that we all act pretty graciously and nice to you considering that obvious difference. It's a thrill for many guys to able to talk to, say, Danielle or Vicki. Why should a handful of guys fuck that up for the majority?
And Night rider, I'm not targeting you here. This dynamic has existed and been the sad truth about this forum for years.This explains a lot about you. Now I see why you are the way you are. COMPLETELY FUCKING DELUDED! You're the the stars? LMFAO. Not one girl here is a star to me. Their people that work in the sex industry. PERIOD! Get a clue. See, I've been on the scene for a number of years. Long enough to have fucked a well known tranny porno performer from the late 80's-early 90's. Next time you make a stupid blanket statement like that, be aware that not everyone here is a rookie or a chaser.I didn't ask for a resume'. But when did I say "every guy"? Why are you thinking it's about you for some reason? I don't think I'm a star; I put star in quotes because I was using the term loosely.But this is a transsexual forum. The Tgirls are the women that you all supposedly are attracted to and like, right? So why are you shocked that we expect some common courtesy?Give it and it will be returned. I stand by that. I can't speak for every guy here. But thats how I roll.The first thing you said to me was, "I can see why Johnny hates you." So what was that about? Respect?
And here you have tollroad in your midst calling all pre-ops "men" and the guys who like them, "gay". Let's see how ambitious any of you guys are to speak up.That was just an observation because you were being unecessarily hateful towards someone at the time. Upon further review, it does seem that you can be somewhat rational if you choose to be. When you were hateful, I called you on it. As for tollroad, there are so many like him here, it really doesn't bother me. I don't come here for him or people like him. Easily ignored.

[lust4ts]

Here you go nicole!

[quote]And when Jen was calling Mimi an ugly bitch and a man, why were you OK with that?
I'm not "ok with it". It's sad. I don't want to see any TS arguing. Why do you think I'm "ok with it"?


Because the only time you make a fuss about it or advocate someone being banned is when it is a guy!

I also think it is wrong, on that we agree, but all too often around here it is one rule for the girls another for the guys. And this is not just you, the double standards that exist are clear.

The fact is when another girl is calling someone a man, you never see a fellow HHA calling her out on it. The minute a guy does it, it is "ban him". Why?

Sorry to be a cunt and keep bringing this back Nicole. I am not trying to insult you, in fact I respect you, but?

[trish]

“The fact is when another girl is calling someone a man, you never see a fellow HHA calling her out on it.”

I do think that’s a generalization. I don’t believe I personally ever “called” anyone “out” around here (I’m not hip to the gunslinger language you seem to be using) but I’ve made my thoughts on this issue clear in general terms on several occasions. It seems that infraction arose most often during the BrendaQ/Vanessa disputes. I never entered into that because it seems more like a domestic thing gone tragically public.

People keep talking about double standards, but I don’t see a symmetric situation here. Even though I was always a woman I had to spend years getting my body in synch with my mind (not to mention a fortune). So where do you think the weak point in my armor is? If someone calls me a man, or claims I’m not passable, it hurts. Are any of you equally hurt, I wonder, when someone calls you a fag? If so, I’d be curious to know why that particular epithet is the kink (oops, chink) in your armor.

One thing that does bug me, is when people (of any gender) use the adjective “gay” as a taunt. It strikes me as extremely homophobic.

I hope you don’t think, Lust4ts, that I’m calling you out with this post. I just used your post as a springboard to introduce my own thoughts on this discussion.

[lust4ts]

“The fact is when another girl is calling someone a man, you never see a fellow HHA calling her out on it.”

I do think that’s a generalization. I don’t believe I personally ever “called” anyone “out” around here (I’m not hip to the gunslinger language you seem to be using) but I’ve made my thoughts on this issue clear in general terms on several occasions. It seems that infraction arose most often during the BrendaQ/Vanessa disputes. I never entered into that because it seems more like a domestic thing gone tragically public.

People keep talking about double standards, but I don’t see a symmetric situation here. Even though I was always a woman I had to spend years getting my body in synch with my mind (not to mention a fortune). So where do you think the weak point in my armor is? If someone calls me a man, or claims I’m not passable, it hurts. Are any of you equally hurt, I wonder, when someone calls you a fag? If so, I’d be curious to know why that particular epithet is the kink in your armor.

One thing that does bug me, is when people (of any gender) use the adjective “gay” as a taunt. It strikes me as extremely homophobic.

I hope you don’t think, Lust4ts, that I’m calling you out with this post. I just used your post as a springboard to introduce my own thoughts on this discussion.

Well I don't think you have a read a word I have said upto this post.

I have never called a girl here a man, NEVER!

But I have defended people who have (particularly the ones who people are advocating being banned) on the basis that if it is OK for one person to do it, by any logic it must be OK for someone else, despite there gender or status here.

This all comes down to Jen asking to get people banned for calling girls guys, when she has done it many times herelf, and that is ridiculous.

Furthermore this thread was made to express the disgust of guys doing it, how come these threads are only made about us, and why are we the only ones who should get banned.

And please read this correctly, I HAVE NEVER CALLED ONE OF THE GIRLS A MAN. I just hate double standards trish.

[lust4ts]

Because the only time you make a fuss about it or advocate someone being banned is when it is a guy!

I also think it is wrong, on that we agree, but all too often around here it is one rule for the girls another for the guys. And this is not just you, the double standards that exist are clear.

The fact is when another girl is calling someone a man, you never see a fellow HHA calling her out on it. The minute a guy does it, it is "ban him". Why?You're not being annoying. You're being immature and impatient.

Anyway, this is another subject that's ripe for discussion. NO GUY HERE SHOULD GET INVOLVED IN A PERSONAL ARGUMENT BETWEEN TWO GIRLS. If you do, trust me, neither girl is taking you very seriously. I don't want that kind of "help". To me, you are clearly stepping over a line at that point. Leave girl stuff to the girls. We all dealt with our transsexuality, and we can deal with each other.

And don't put words in mouth about who I want banned.

That is ridiculous, you are deluded, you think that being a Transsexual gives you special rights here and that is why you are talking shit.

By any logic, despite gender or status, if one person is allowed to call a girl a man, then so is another, that is a FACT!

[trish]

i didn't mean to imply that you have (called a girl here a man).

by double standards one usually means that different standards are being applied to two circumstances that are in some way (relevant to the standards) equivalent or symmetric. i'm just pointing out that the circumstance s of which you speak are not equivalent.

[lust4ts]

i didn't mean to imply that you have (called a girl here a man).

by double standards one usually means that different standards are being applied to two circumstances that are in some way (relevant to the standards) equivalent or symmetric. i'm just pointing out that the circumstance s of which you speak are not equivalent.

I will repeat!

By any logic, despite gender or status, if one person is allowed to call a girl a man, then so is another, that is a FACT!

[lust4ts]

i didn't mean to imply that you have (called a girl here a man).

by double standards one usually means that different standards are being applied to two circumstances that are in some way (relevant to the standards) equivalent or symmetric. i'm just pointing out that the circumstance s of which you speak are not equivalent.

Double post, sorry!

[trish]

i don't recall a girl here ever using the pronoun "she" when referring to a man.

[lust4ts]

i don't recall a girl here ever using the pronoun "she" when referring to a man.

Do you listen?

I am not advocating it.

I am saying that trying to get people banned for doing something that you do yourself is ridicolous, despite your gender or status.

If you can give me this answer. How is Jen calling Mimi a Man and ugly bitch and different to NR doing it to her? There is none, and if you think there is you need to wake up.

[trish]

i'm not saying you are advocating it. i'm desperately trying to point out what true symmetry looks like.

look, i agree. no one should call anyone names. but i don't think what's going on here can be characterized as the application of double standards...it's a technical point...if you don't get it....i'll drop it.

[lust4ts]

i'm not saying you are advocating it. i'm desperately trying to point out what true symmetry looks like.

look, i agree. no one should call anyone names. but i don't think what's going on here can be characterized as the application of double standards...it's a technical point...if you don't get it....i'll drop it.

I don't get it, please explain, what is the difference?

[lust4ts]

That is ridiculous, you are deluded, you think that being a Transsexual gives you special rights here and that is why you are talking shit.

By any logic, despite gender or status, if one person is allowed to call a girl a man, then so is another, that is a FACT!What makes you think you have enough common sense to know when to mind your own business? Do you think that your every thought is worth typing? I have no special rights, trust me. But that's like saying that you would have anything to contribute to a cat fight back stage at a drag show. Or that you should be able to step into a street argument in Washington Heights, NY, and that your opinion is valid or wanted. You don't have your shit together enough to go to a bar and pick up a TS, and you want to claim a right to play referee between Jen and Mimi? Get real.


Once again trying to be smart and avoiding the question, it is a fair question, why can't you answer it. What is the difference?

How can an insult or word have a different meaning because it implied by someone of a different gender, that is nonsensical and unfair.

How come I didn’t see you in the Mimi thread, disagreeing with what they were saying, and that is my point?

[trish]

1) a girl uses the pronoun "she" when referring to a man.

2) a man uses the pronoun "he" when referring to a girl.

3) a tgirl uses the pronoun "she" when referring to a man.

4) a man uses the pronoun "he" when referring to a tgirl.

5) a tgirl uses the pronoun "he" when referring to another tgirl.

6) a man uses the pronoun "she" when referring to another man.

etc.

all of these things are examples of interchanges gone awry. but not all of them are equivalent. someone who condoned (1) but not (2) would be applying double standards. that's because (1) and (2) are symmetric. (3) and (4) are not symmetric. if one is to apply the same standard to both one must give a reason why the same rule should apply to two distinct and asymmetrical situations.

[lust4ts]

1) a girl uses the pronoun "she" when referring to a man.

2) a man uses the pronoun "he" when referring to a girl.

3) a tgirl uses the pronoun "she" when referring to a man.

4) a man uses the pronoun "he" when referring to a tgirl.

5) a tgirl uses the pronoun "he" when referring to another tgirl.

6) a man uses the pronoun "she" when referring to another man.

etc.

all of these things are examples of interchanges gone awry. but not all of them are equivalent. someone who condoned (1) but not (2) would be applying double standards. that's because (1) and (2) are symmetric. (3) and (4) are not symmetric. if one is to apply the same standard to both one must give a reason why the same rule should apply to two distinct and asymmetrical situations.

YES but, 4 and 5 are exactly the same, thankyou for proving my point. :roll:

[trish]

so you think the subjects of (4) and (5) have the same gender?

[lust4ts]

so you think the subjects of (4) and (5) have the same gender?

No, but the end result is the same. If I referred to you as the N word, which I never would. Would it make a difference what gender I am?

You can't make up the rules to suit you trish, it doesn't work like that.

If a TS is called a man, she is called a man, that is as blatent as day.

[trish]

it would make a difference if you were black or not.

[lust4ts]

it would make a difference if you were black or not.

Yes, but that is completely different TS's aren't a race Trish!


Gender and race are two different things.

How can you argue with the fact that if a TS is called a man, she is called a man.

You give your self a get out card and say "na it's alright" "it's another TS"


So by your logic, guys should be able to call eachother fags, with no repent, but girls should get banned because they are a different gender?

[trish]

no you're right, gender isn't race. but you were trying to argue from the form (4) and (5) that the same standard should apply. my example (actually yours) shows that no such thing follows from their form alone.

again, i would like to reiterate that i don't condone anyone throwing names about. i'm just saying its not of case of applying double standards.

look, it’s saturday night and I’m going out. but I want to thank you for an engaging conversation, if sometimes exasperating conversation…but what conversation can be engaging without being at time exasperating, right? have a nice evening.

[lust4ts]

no you're right, gender isn't race. but you were trying to argue from the form (4) and (5) that the same standard should apply. my example (actually yours) shows that no such thing follows from their form alone.

again, i would like to reiterate that i don't condone anyone throwing names about. i'm just saying its not of case of applying double standards.

look, it’s saturday night and I’m going out. but I want to thank you for an engaging conversation, if sometimes exasperating conversation…but what conversation can be engaging without being at time exasperating, right? have a nice evening.

MMMM, I'll take that as me being right, and thank you too.


Finally this was my point. To put it properly...........

If it is OK for a girl to call another girl a guy, and any man that does should get banned because they are not the same gender.

Then it has to work both ways.

So by that logic, all fags are male right? So it would be OK for us to call each other Fags as much as we like, but now when a girl says it she should get banned too, because as you said your self she is not of the of same gender.

Seriously, how fucked is that, really?

Isn’t it easier and much more sensible that we all have the same rules applied, that way is the only way things can be fair, I think you see that now!

[glam_azon]

kisses for everyone.

[Felicia Katt]

Here are my thoughts, in general,for whatever they are worth

1. I don't post as often as I used to because of the pervasive negativity here. Why bother to whisper my opinions, if they are going to be outshouted by everyone else's rants and raves and rancor. This place used to be about insight, and now its more about insults.

2. I don't engage in the heated discussions as much as I used to, because of all the personal attacks that inevitably invites. Why should I weigh in on a controversy only to get whipped about my looks, or my gender status, or my height or what have you? Maybe I am shallow, or insecure, but part of why I come here is for a little validation or even adulation, and those are in short supply. Not only from the people who are the ones throwing all the hate, but from anyone else who might have a kind word or two, but now withholds them, lest they be called a kiss ass or a brown nose or otherwise drawn into the line of fire.

3. There is a double standard here, but its because we are differently situated. Tgirls are in the minority, and live day to day with insecurity and discrimination and prejudice, which is bad enough to face in the real world but to also face it virtually here is even worse There are very few guys here who are open and uncloseted and above board. Most are anonymous. Not only do they not post pictures, they withhold all biographical or geographical information entirely. Read some of the profiles. If you are afraid to say what city you live in, or even what state, or country, you cannot claim to be level with a girl who has her pic and her myspace and her email and her messenger riight there for all to see.

You fight an honorable duel, face to face with pistols at 10 paces, not from concealment with a sniper rifle. All the catfight's here are fought claw to claw, and that's why the girls get more latitude, even if it appears the wounds are ultimately the same.

4. Calling someone a fag is not the same as calling a tgirl a man, or insulting one on her looks. None of you think of yourself as fags, you can disagree and thats that. Its an assertion of fact, not of opinion. And you can take solace that you are totally anonymous, so they don't know you and therefore cannot define you. And in the rest of your everyday life, no one will ever reinforce the idea you are anything but normal and straight.

But calling a tgirl a man cuts to the core of the key issue in her life. its very deeply hurtful, and not so easily dismissed. Put it this way, you will forget being called a fag within a few hours. Being read as a man by a man is soemthing that can haunt a girl forever. And the doubts and fear and bad memories it can invoke can turn a later innocent comment or look into an insult. Scar tissue, emotional or otherwise, isn't as resilient, or flexible. And some of those kinds of wounds never do heal.

Calling a girl ugly or old or whatever is also different because its not a fact but an opinion, and as such it can't be easily or readily dismissed as false. We can disagree with it, but we can never refute it, because every opinion, even a hateful one, has some internal validity.

5. The best defense is a good offense is a sports strategy not a way to win friends or influence people. If the only way you can defend your position is to attack the people who disagree with it, maybe you should reconsider your position. if enough people think you are an asshole, maybe the problem isn't with them, maybe its with you.

Having the last word doesn't mean you won the argument if people have stopped listening. Persistance is not persuasion. Shutting up your opponent by pushing them to anger or agression, or driving them from the discussion doesn't mean you won the argument either. It just means you turned it into a fight. A boxing match is over and all bets are off as soon as one of the fighters takes off the gloves or slips on the brass knuckles.

6. Finally, fair or not, people are judged not only on their conduct, but on the company they keep. If you align or ally yourself with someone who is a lightning rod, you shouldn't be shocked to get shocked. Your silence when your buddy or mate goes too far with a post is taken by him as aquiescence and agreement, and by the rest of us as acceptance at worst and ambivalence at best. Neither of which sits well or puts you in good stead or standing. The girls here appear more aligned because there are so few of us and so very few are ever far out of line. We may be more subtle about it but there are rules for us and they are enforced. Do a search for Moni or Jamie Michelle if you doubt this.

This was all said in general, and was not personal to or for or about anyone. Dont take it, or respond to it personally, please. It was also offered for what it was worth. If it was of no value to you, keep your 2 cents to yourself, thanks :)

FK

[vegasboy]

Felicia,

Nothing you said is unreasonable, and much of it was said in the flame wars that have been somewhat repellent for the girls. The problem is that quite a bit more has been said.

To address some of the issues. Yes, the guys are generally anonymous and so there's an asymmetry when it comes to arguing with the girls. The guys can say things that cut to the core of a girl's being. However, it's their responsibilty not to and to try to have some self-control in the face of a torrent of insults. The women know they have this extra leverage here because the men are mere commodities, while the women are in truly short supply. So the women tend to get better treatment, but in my view still not quite what they hope and perhaps not what they deserve.

I explicitly said that there's a big difference between a girl calling me gay and a guy questioning a girl's gender status. I said I would never question a girl's gender status. You know what I got for my efforts when I said this Felicia? I had a newly registered girl here say that for me to even make the contrast it must have been in my subconscious. For me to even conceive of such an insult (and say I disagreed with it), it must have been on the tip of my tongue. I suppose no good deed goes unpunished. Obviously a transparent argument by this girl since we've both seen this insult and it's clear I didn't have to invent it to address it.

So, while much of what you say is true, there is a very reflexive backlash against anyone who argues with any woman here or any of the fawning, brainless guys who sit there with their sniper rifles as you say and wait for anyone involved in a flame war to enter their sights. Yes, guys should be able to pay you compliments, no matter how crude or unpoetic, but they shouldn't be defending a girl who is clearly wrong in order to win her favor.

When Jen created her thread I was there from the start. I had tried to argue with her civilly. You know deep down inside this isn't possible. It wasn't a matter of me waiting for the opportunity to insult her. She usually goes on offense. But you also empathize with her more than any of us and you're right to a degree. My feelings won't get hurt no matter what, but that doesn't make my position morally inferior. Empathize with her, but try to be somewhat more detached when considering issues of right and wrong. You're obviously very smart, but is defending a girl here automatic? Shouldn't she have a position that's actually defensible?

She started a fight, and had many supporters defining what can and can't be said against her. I inhibit myself as it is. But I don't need so many people making weak arguments in order to defend someone who started an argument because they're either attracted to her, or empathize with her because they share her gender status. You should empathize with Jen like Nelson Mandela would Pol Pot. Just my two cents, but don't ever say I wasn't happy to consider your point of view.

[lust4ts]

Here are my thoughts, in general,for whatever they are worth

1. I don't post as often as I used to because of the pervasive negativity here. Why bother to whisper my opinions, if they are going to be outshouted by everyone else's rants and raves and rancor. This place used to be about insight, and now its more about insults.

2. I don't engage in the heated discussions as much as I used to, because of all the personal attacks that inevitably invites. Why should I weigh in on a controversy only to get whipped about my looks, or my gender status, or my height or what have you? Maybe I am shallow, or insecure, but part of why I come here is for a little validation or even adulation, and those are in short supply. Not only from the people who are the ones throwing all the hate, but from anyone else who might have a kind word or two, but now withholds them, lest they be called a kiss ass or a brown nose or otherwise drawn into the line of fire.

3. There is a double standard here, but its because we are differently situated. Tgirls are in the minority, and live day to day with insecurity and discrimination and prejudice, which is bad enough to face in the real world but to also face it virtually here is even worse There are very few guys here who are open and uncloseted and above board. Most are anonymous. Not only do they not post pictures, they withhold all biographical or geographical information entirely. Read some of the profiles. If you are afraid to say what city you live in, or even what state, or country, you cannot claim to be level with a girl who has her pic and her myspace and her email and her messenger riight there for all to see.

You fight an honorable duel, face to face with pistols at 10 paces, not from concealment with a sniper rifle. All the catfight's here are fought claw to claw, and that's why the girls get more latitude, even if it appears the wounds are ultimately the same.

4. Calling someone a fag is not the same as calling a tgirl a man, or insulting one on her looks. None of you think of yourself as fags, you can disagree and thats that. Its an assertion of fact, not of opinion. And you can take solace that you are totally anonymous, so they don't know you and therefore cannot define you. And in the rest of your everyday life, no one will ever reinforce the idea you are anything but normal and straight.

But calling a tgirl a man cuts to the core of the key issue in her life. its very deeply hurtful, and not so easily dismissed. Put it this way, you will forget being called a fag within a few hours. Being read as a man by a man is soemthing that can haunt a girl forever. And the doubts and fear and bad memories it can invoke can turn a later innocent comment or look into an insult. Scar tissue, emotional or otherwise, isn't as resilient, or flexible. And some of those kinds of wounds never do heal.

Calling a girl ugly or old or whatever is also different because its not a fact but an opinion, and as such it can't be easily or readily dismissed as false. We can disagree with it, but we can never refute it, because every opinion, even a hateful one, has some internal validity.

5. The best defense is a good offense is a sports strategy not a way to win friends or influence people. If the only way you can defend your position is to attack the people who disagree with it, maybe you should reconsider your position. if enough people think you are an asshole, maybe the problem isn't with them, maybe its with you.

Having the last word doesn't mean you won the argument if people have stopped listening. Persistance is not persuasion. Shutting up your opponent by pushing them to anger or agression, or driving them from the discussion doesn't mean you won the argument either. It just means you turned it into a fight. A boxing match is over and all bets are off as soon as one of the fighters takes off the gloves or slips on the brass knuckles.

6. Finally, fair or not, people are judged not only on their conduct, but on the company they keep. If you align or ally yourself with someone who is a lightning rod, you shouldn't be shocked to get shocked. Your silence when your buddy or mate goes too far with a post is taken by him as aquiescence and agreement, and by the rest of us as acceptance at worst and ambivalence at best. Neither of which sits well or puts you in good stead or standing. The girls here appear more aligned because there are so few of us and so very few are ever far out of line. We may be more subtle about it but there are rules for us and they are enforced. Do a search for Moni or Jamie Michelle if you doubt this.

This was all said in general, and was not personal to or for or about anyone. Dont take it, or respond to it personally, please. It was also offered for what it was worth. If it was of no value to you, keep your 2 cents to yourself, thanks :)

FK

Well that makes allot of sense Felicia, of course you are right in NEARLY everything you say. And as I have explained I don't refer to the girls here as Men and never will…….

I just fail to see the difference between a girl saying it to another girl, or a guy saying it to a girl. It adds up to the same thing, the person saying is referring to that girl as Male.

My plight is with the fact that it is somehow seen as an OK comment coming from a girl, but the moment a guy says it, it is the usual "Ban him".

I would rather no one says it, but they do, so the rule has either has to apply to everyone and the term having one simple meaning ("You are not a girl, you are a male"), or else it can be applied how ever people feel they want to it to be at that particular time, regardless of status and gender!

I just think it's ridiculous that not only the girls but the kiss-asses, and we all know there plenty of them here, look directly past it when a girl is using the term, the moment a guy uses it, he is an asshole or offensive.

Its simple really, either everyone who uses the term in that sense, and for that purpose is an asshole and offensive, or no one at all is.

That is not just my opinion, that is plain logic.

[vegasboy]

I just fail to see the difference between a girl saying it to another girl, or a guy saying it to a girl. It adds up to the same thing, the person saying is referring to that girl as Male.

My plight is with the fact that it is somehow seen as an OK comment coming from a girl, but the moment a guy says it, it is the usual "Ban him".

I would rather no one says it, but they do, so the rule has either has to apply to everyone and the term having one simple meaning ("You are not a girl, you are a male"), or else it can be applied how ever people feel they want to it to be at that particular time, regardless of status and gender!

I just think it's ridiculous that not only the girls but the kiss-asses, and we all know there plenty of them here, look directly past it when a girl is using the term, the moment a guy uses it, he is an asshole or offensive.

Its simple really, either everyone who uses the term in that sense, and for that purpose is an asshole and offensive, or no one at all is.

That is not just my opinion, that is plain logic.
I agree that if it's a rule to ban someone, it should be stated up front explicitly, and it shouldn't be retroactive. Meaning, it applies from here on out and everyone has to know that this one comment is bannable.

Girls shouldn't call other girls men either. I will say I see Felicia's point about the difference though. Many of us guys are anonymous here, so when some of us hurl insults like this there is no recourse. But other girls know each other, know of each other, and have all been through the same experience. Whether it's discrimination or some shared experience, it means they're susceptible to the same insult they're using. So I do think it's worse for a guy to say it.

However, I agree that such a rule has to apply uniformly, and when done, leaves a lot of guys, even one's thought not to be the worst offenders from the outside looking in.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kel I understand that you are disgusted and that is fair enough!

But I am disgusted by Jen and the way she refers to and treats people, the Poll NR made is maybe over the top and a bit too harsh but it is retaliation to her making polls about him.

It's not really fair to define that calling guys fags and queers and chasers all the time is any different to calling girls men or using the way they look in arguments.

With the Mimi shit, Jen ripped into the way Mimi looked, called her a man on lots of occasions. But because she is another girl it is somehow OK. She goes around here in the threads calling girls men and hideous, I seem to remember when you were not friends with her she was happy to call you a man and a whore. Why is it one rule for her, one for another?

I have never agreed with either people’s views before, all the fights with NR and Nicole and Jen I stayed out of it. How is bringing someone’s dead parents into it, any worse than calling someone a man, they are both as bad as each other.

I respect all the girls here as women, and me and NR's views do differ but I support his right to do the same things that many girls do themselves here.

It is a fact that when a girl does something like this people turn a blind eye and say, "Oh she's just having a laugh" or, "She's just being bitchy" but when a guy says it, it is suddenly overly offensive.

Kel you know I like and you are a sweet girl, but if you feel so strongly about those points, when Jen was calling Mimi a man, and saying she is a ugly bitch, why were you not disgusted then.

I see your point and agree with it, my plight is with the double standards and unfairness.

And do you think if Jen had a picture of NR and there was anything in it to use against him, she wouldn't?

She brought me into this shit for questioning her view point, and I am not calling her a man, but she is a vicious hypocritical, whining to mods, ban advocating CUNT! And I stand by that. Because Mimi acts like a gay man.

[lust4ts]

Kel I understand that you are disgusted and that is fair enough!

But I am disgusted by Jen and the way she refers to and treats people, the Poll NR made is maybe over the top and a bit too harsh but it is retaliation to her making polls about him.

It's not really fair to define that calling guys fags and queers and chasers all the time is any different to calling girls men or using the way they look in arguments.

With the Mimi shit, Jen ripped into the way Mimi looked, called her a man on lots of occasions. But because she is another girl it is somehow OK. She goes around here in the threads calling girls men and hideous, I seem to remember when you were not friends with her she was happy to call you a man and a whore. Why is it one rule for her, one for another?

I have never agreed with either people’s views before, all the fights with NR and Nicole and Jen I stayed out of it. How is bringing someone’s dead parents into it, any worse than calling someone a man, they are both as bad as each other.

I respect all the girls here as women, and me and NR's views do differ but I support his right to do the same things that many girls do themselves here.

It is a fact that when a girl does something like this people turn a blind eye and say, "Oh she's just having a laugh" or, "She's just being bitchy" but when a guy says it, it is suddenly overly offensive.

Kel you know I like and you are a sweet girl, but if you feel so strongly about those points, when Jen was calling Mimi a man, and saying she is a ugly bitch, why were you not disgusted then.

I see your point and agree with it, my plight is with the double standards and unfairness.

And do you think if Jen had a picture of NR and there was anything in it to use against him, she wouldn't?

She brought me into this shit for questioning her view point, and I am not calling her a man, but she is a vicious hypocritical, whining to mods, ban advocating CUNT! And I stand by that. Because Mimi acts like a gay man.

It shouldn't matter kelly, she is a Transsexual, you don't make the rules.

You can't say someone has the right and someone doesn't because of the way you feel someone acts.

The rule has to apply to everyone or it doesn't make sense at all!

It's nightriders and my view Jen acts like a gay man, but again that view doesn't give us the right either.

[Night Rider]

So Kelly, there are exeptions to the rules?

Do you fancy explaining further?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kel I understand that you are disgusted and that is fair enough!

But I am disgusted by Jen and the way she refers to and treats people, the Poll NR made is maybe over the top and a bit too harsh but it is retaliation to her making polls about him.

It's not really fair to define that calling guys fags and queers and chasers all the time is any different to calling girls men or using the way they look in arguments.

With the Mimi shit, Jen ripped into the way Mimi looked, called her a man on lots of occasions. But because she is another girl it is somehow OK. She goes around here in the threads calling girls men and hideous, I seem to remember when you were not friends with her she was happy to call you a man and a whore. Why is it one rule for her, one for another?

I have never agreed with either people’s views before, all the fights with NR and Nicole and Jen I stayed out of it. How is bringing someone’s dead parents into it, any worse than calling someone a man, they are both as bad as each other.

I respect all the girls here as women, and me and NR's views do differ but I support his right to do the same things that many girls do themselves here.

It is a fact that when a girl does something like this people turn a blind eye and say, "Oh she's just having a laugh" or, "She's just being bitchy" but when a guy says it, it is suddenly overly offensive.

Kel you know I like and you are a sweet girl, but if you feel so strongly about those points, when Jen was calling Mimi a man, and saying she is a ugly bitch, why were you not disgusted then.

I see your point and agree with it, my plight is with the double standards and unfairness.

And do you think if Jen had a picture of NR and there was anything in it to use against him, she wouldn't?

She brought me into this shit for questioning her view point, and I am not calling her a man, but she is a vicious hypocritical, whining to mods, ban advocating CUNT! And I stand by that. Because Mimi acts like a gay man.

It shouldn't matter kelly, she is a Transsexual, you don't make the rules.

You can't say someone has the right and someone doesn't because of the way you feel someone acts.

The rule has to apply to everyone or it doesn't make sense at all!

It nightriders and my view Jen acts like a gay man, but again that view doesn't give us the right either. I treat people how they act, not by their looks. Thats where we differ. If you are gonna act like a man and look like Claudia Schiffer, expect me to treat you as one. You may disagree but thats how I see it.

[lust4ts]

Kel I understand that you are disgusted and that is fair enough!

But I am disgusted by Jen and the way she refers to and treats people, the Poll NR made is maybe over the top and a bit too harsh but it is retaliation to her making polls about him.

It's not really fair to define that calling guys fags and queers and chasers all the time is any different to calling girls men or using the way they look in arguments.

With the Mimi shit, Jen ripped into the way Mimi looked, called her a man on lots of occasions. But because she is another girl it is somehow OK. She goes around here in the threads calling girls men and hideous, I seem to remember when you were not friends with her she was happy to call you a man and a whore. Why is it one rule for her, one for another?

I have never agreed with either people’s views before, all the fights with NR and Nicole and Jen I stayed out of it. How is bringing someone’s dead parents into it, any worse than calling someone a man, they are both as bad as each other.

I respect all the girls here as women, and me and NR's views do differ but I support his right to do the same things that many girls do themselves here.

It is a fact that when a girl does something like this people turn a blind eye and say, "Oh she's just having a laugh" or, "She's just being bitchy" but when a guy says it, it is suddenly overly offensive.

Kel you know I like and you are a sweet girl, but if you feel so strongly about those points, when Jen was calling Mimi a man, and saying she is a ugly bitch, why were you not disgusted then.

I see your point and agree with it, my plight is with the double standards and unfairness.

And do you think if Jen had a picture of NR and there was anything in it to use against him, she wouldn't?

She brought me into this shit for questioning her view point, and I am not calling her a man, but she is a vicious hypocritical, whining to mods, ban advocating CUNT! And I stand by that. Because Mimi acts like a gay man.

It shouldn't matter kelly, she is a Transsexual, you don't make the rules.

You can't say someone has the right and someone doesn't because of the way you feel someone acts.

The rule has to apply to everyone or it doesn't make sense at all!

It nightriders and my view Jen acts like a gay man, but again that view doesn't give us the right either. I treat people how they act, not by their looks. Thats where we differ. If you are gonna act like a man and look like Claudia Schiffer, expect me to treat you as one. You may disagree but thats how I see it.

Kel, I am not disagreeing with you per sey, but if you have that right, so does anyone else.

It is subjective and based on opinions and that is why the rule should apply to everyone or no one! Otherwise it becomes ridiculous and too judgemental to assess when it should be applied.

[vegasboy]

It shouldn't matter kelly, she is a Transsexual, you don't make the rules.

You can't say someone has the right and someone doesn't because of the way you feel someone acts.

The rule has to apply to everyone or it doesn't make sense at all!

It's nightriders and my view Jen acts like a gay man, but again that view doesn't give us the right either.
Yeah Kelly, you're wrong. What matters is whether the ts views themselves as a woman. Can't be a double standard. That's actually arrogance on your part, but I won't elaborate.

[Felicia Katt]

First off, thanks to you both for the tone and tenor, and relevance of your responses.

Lust, since this has been stated and restated as one of your gripes, I will try to make it plain to you why it is very different for a guy to make certain comments to another girl, then it is for a girl to make those same comments. Its the difference between murder, and murder-suicide. Only one is a crime that results in a later trial and sentence.

If a girl calls a girl a man, it really is mirror and glue. What she says bounces off and sticks back to her. How much it bounces and how much sticks may depend relatively on where the girls are transitionally or aesthetically, but there is alway some backfire and richochet. This isn't the case when a man makes these comments. His don't bounce off, they penetrate and he is teflon to any that she might be able to deflect. You talk about logic, but its more about physics and when the actions are unequal, so are the reactions.

Vegas, whats most important to me isn't sympathy or empathy but the antipathy I have to all the really harsh. hateful ad hominen horseshit that has dominated the board lately. Maybe its a chicken/egg situation, but I see more from the many towards the few, ie from the guys, to the girls, and it being more of an action by them and a reaction by us. Or an action by us and an overreaction by the men. I have had way more immature insults and invective directed towards me than anything I have said ever could have warranted. I'm just too old and jaded to respond in the way those comments might have deserved, and though it may sound trite and self righteous, I really do try to treat others the way I would like to be treated. and to turn the other cheek when I'm not.

FK

[MrsKellyPierce]

It shouldn't matter kelly, she is a Transsexual, you don't make the rules.

You can't say someone has the right and someone doesn't because of the way you feel someone acts.

The rule has to apply to everyone or it doesn't make sense at all!

It's nightriders and my view Jen acts like a gay man, but again that view doesn't give us the right either.
Yeah Kelly, you're wrong. What matters is whether the ts views themselves as a woman. Can't be a double standard. That's actually arrogance on your part, but I won't elaborate. Don't try to educate me on things you don't know about. The nerve of you and any other guy on here thats not a transsexual. I would say the same thing to Eric, I am a TS. And darling let me tell you just because you have tits and look like a female doesn't make you a TRANSSEXUAL. Some are doing it for the money, some are doing it for the crowns, and some are doing it for the attention it gives you. They aren't going to flat out admit it, but just look at how Mimi acts on her youtube and the things Vanessa said about her. I don't think I'm wrong on this. I stand by the fact that she acts like a gay man, and she brought what was said about her.

There were loads of stuff said about me that I brought on to be said about me. I didn't see anyone sticking up for me or coming to my rescue. Till after I went and seen a surgeon. So don't give me the BS. Thats not a pity party, but things were said about me that I rightly deserved for my actions on the board in the past.

[vegasboy]

Hey Kelly,
I was just saying what I thought consistency should dictate. I wasn't here when you were attacked, but if you said you were a woman and someone said you were wrong, wouldn't you deserve defense? I certainly wouldn't defend someone arguing their right to call you a man, even before your boob job. Not if you said otherwise. My point in the argument with Jen and when I've spoken to you is that people should define themselves.

I was just saying I think the only thing that should matter is what the girl believes and projects. If she thinks she's a gay man, then call her that, but this hierarchy isn't good for any of the girls. Just my opinion, not an attack on you.

[vegasboy]

Don't try to educate me on things you don't know about. The nerve of you and any other guy on here thats not a transsexual. I would say the same thing to Eric, I am a TS. And darling let me tell you just because you have tits and look like a female doesn't make you a TRANSSEXUAL. Some are doing it for the money, some are doing it for the crowns, and some are doing it for the attention it gives you. They aren't going to flat out admit it, but just look at how Mimi acts on her youtube and the things Vanessa said about her. I don't think I'm wrong on this. I stand by the fact that she acts like a gay man, and she brought what was said about her.

There were loads of stuff said about me that I brought on to be said about me. I didn't see anyone sticking up for me or coming to my rescue. Till after I went and seen a surgeon. So don't give me the BS. Thats not a pity party, but things were said about me that I rightly deserved for my actions on the board in the past.
BTW I understand what you're saying. You should realize I don't know the girl in question. I was just saying I think this isn't a very nice tactic in general. But I'm not judging you because I don't know the girl.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Hey Kelly,
I was just saying what I thought consistency should dictate. I wasn't here when you were attacked, but if you said you were a woman and someone said you were wrong, wouldn't you deserve defense? I certainly wouldn't defend someone arguing their right to call you a man, even before your boob job. Not if you said otherwise. My point in the argument with Jen and when I've spoken to you is that people should define themselves.

I was just saying I think the only thing that should matter is what the girl believes and projects. If she thinks she's a gay man, then call her that, but this hierarchy isn't good for any of the girls. Just my opinion, not an attack on you. It's not hierarchy, obviously you never spoke to Mimi. She attacked Jen first, and Jen retaliated. So even bringing that shit up is stupid. When she said shit about her on video on youtube. :roll: Something you obviously had no clue about, but you lend your opinion. Not to be a bitch, but I have sense enough not to give my opinion on things I have no clue of the history or about.

[Night Rider]

It shouldn't matter kelly, she is a Transsexual, you don't make the rules.

You can't say someone has the right and someone doesn't because of the way you feel someone acts.

The rule has to apply to everyone or it doesn't make sense at all!

It's nightriders and my view Jen acts like a gay man, but again that view doesn't give us the right either.
Yeah Kelly, you're wrong. What matters is whether the ts views themselves as a woman. Can't be a double standard. That's actually arrogance on your part, but I won't elaborate. Don't try to educate me on things you don't know about. The nerve of you and any other guy on here thats not a transsexual. I would say the same thing to Eric, I am a TS. And darling let me tell you just because you have tits and look like a female doesn't make you a TRANSSEXUAL. Some are doing it for the money, some are doing it for the crowns, and some are doing it for the attention it gives you. They aren't going to flat out admit it, but just look at how Mimi acts on her youtube and the things Vanessa said about her. I don't think I'm wrong on this. I stand by the fact that she acts like a gay man, and she brought what was said about her.

There were loads of stuff said about me that I brought on to be said about me. I didn't see anyone sticking up for me or coming to my rescue. Till after I went and seen a surgeon. So don't give me the BS. Thats not a pity party, but things were said about me that I rightly deserved for my actions on the board in the past.

bla bla bla, did you jump in when Brenda was being called a man by more than on TS?

:smh

You only jump in when it suits you.

[lust4ts]

Lust, since this has been stated and restated as one of your gripes, I will try to make it plain to you why it is very different for a guy to make certain comments to another girl, then it is for a girl to make those same comments. Its the difference between murder, and murder-suicide. Only one is a crime that results in a later trial and sentence.

If a girl calls a girl a man, it really is mirror and glue. What she says bounces off and sticks back to her. How much it bounces and how much sticks may depend relatively on where the girls are transitionally or aesthetically, but there is alway some backfire and richochet. This isn't the case when a man makes these comments. His don't bounce off, they penetrate and he is teflon to any that she might be able to deflect. You talk about logic, but its more about physics and when the actions are unequal, so are the reactions.




That is your opinion but it is wrong, how it is taken by the person is irrelevant Felicia, the meaning is the same. You are referring to that girl as a male, it is a cop out to say that a girl has more right to say it.

It is a use of terminology, you don't claim the rights to it, or get some sort of free use of it because you are Transsexaul. That is the most hypocritical thing I have heard in this thread so far.

It is simple the rule, it either applies to everyone or no one.

And finally we don't have any laws that only apply to one gender, so that makes no sense at all. There is no way you can tell me that a Transsexual should have any right or claim to any use of terminology, if you do think then you don’t understand at all.

[MrsKellyPierce]

It shouldn't matter kelly, she is a Transsexual, you don't make the rules.

You can't say someone has the right and someone doesn't because of the way you feel someone acts.

The rule has to apply to everyone or it doesn't make sense at all!

It's nightriders and my view Jen acts like a gay man, but again that view doesn't give us the right either.
Yeah Kelly, you're wrong. What matters is whether the ts views themselves as a woman. Can't be a double standard. That's actually arrogance on your part, but I won't elaborate. Don't try to educate me on things you don't know about. The nerve of you and any other guy on here thats not a transsexual. I would say the same thing to Eric, I am a TS. And darling let me tell you just because you have tits and look like a female doesn't make you a TRANSSEXUAL. Some are doing it for the money, some are doing it for the crowns, and some are doing it for the attention it gives you. They aren't going to flat out admit it, but just look at how Mimi acts on her youtube and the things Vanessa said about her. I don't think I'm wrong on this. I stand by the fact that she acts like a gay man, and she brought what was said about her.

There were loads of stuff said about me that I brought on to be said about me. I didn't see anyone sticking up for me or coming to my rescue. Till after I went and seen a surgeon. So don't give me the BS. Thats not a pity party, but things were said about me that I rightly deserved for my actions on the board in the past.

bla bla bla, did you jump in when Brenda was being called a man by more than on TS?

:smh

You only jump in when it suits you. Excuse me asshat I did jump in. I stood up for her many times and even hated on Mimi, causing a trife between mine and Vanessas relationship. Again you obviously don't pay attention for being around so much. I even said she shouldn't be ashamed that she went to school as a man it's what get you the money to transition. So AGAIN BLAH BLAH BLAH YOURSELF!

[MrsKellyPierce]

And lust you know I love you, you know I do.

But you are a hyprocrite, for the things you yourself said about Mimi in the chatrooms.

That is all.

[Night Rider]

It shouldn't matter kelly, she is a Transsexual, you don't make the rules.

You can't say someone has the right and someone doesn't because of the way you feel someone acts.

The rule has to apply to everyone or it doesn't make sense at all!

It's nightriders and my view Jen acts like a gay man, but again that view doesn't give us the right either.
Yeah Kelly, you're wrong. What matters is whether the ts views themselves as a woman. Can't be a double standard. That's actually arrogance on your part, but I won't elaborate. Don't try to educate me on things you don't know about. The nerve of you and any other guy on here thats not a transsexual. I would say the same thing to Eric, I am a TS. And darling let me tell you just because you have tits and look like a female doesn't make you a TRANSSEXUAL. Some are doing it for the money, some are doing it for the crowns, and some are doing it for the attention it gives you. They aren't going to flat out admit it, but just look at how Mimi acts on her youtube and the things Vanessa said about her. I don't think I'm wrong on this. I stand by the fact that she acts like a gay man, and she brought what was said about her.

There were loads of stuff said about me that I brought on to be said about me. I didn't see anyone sticking up for me or coming to my rescue. Till after I went and seen a surgeon. So don't give me the BS. Thats not a pity party, but things were said about me that I rightly deserved for my actions on the board in the past.

bla bla bla, did you jump in when Brenda was being called a man by more than on TS?

:smh

You only jump in when it suits you. Excuse me asshat I did jump in. I stood up for her many times and even hated on Mimi, causing a trife between mine and Vanessas relationship. Again you obviously don't pay attention for being around so much. I even said she shouldn't be ashamed that she went to school as a man it's what get you the money to transition. So AGAIN BLAH BLAH BLAH YOURSELF!

I said when it suits you...you didn't like Mimi anyway.

You were somewhat silent when Nicole and Vanessa called her a man.

[MrsKellyPierce]

It shouldn't matter kelly, she is a Transsexual, you don't make the rules.

You can't say someone has the right and someone doesn't because of the way you feel someone acts.

The rule has to apply to everyone or it doesn't make sense at all!

It's nightriders and my view Jen acts like a gay man, but again that view doesn't give us the right either.
Yeah Kelly, you're wrong. What matters is whether the ts views themselves as a woman. Can't be a double standard. That's actually arrogance on your part, but I won't elaborate. Don't try to educate me on things you don't know about. The nerve of you and any other guy on here thats not a transsexual. I would say the same thing to Eric, I am a TS. And darling let me tell you just because you have tits and look like a female doesn't make you a TRANSSEXUAL. Some are doing it for the money, some are doing it for the crowns, and some are doing it for the attention it gives you. They aren't going to flat out admit it, but just look at how Mimi acts on her youtube and the things Vanessa said about her. I don't think I'm wrong on this. I stand by the fact that she acts like a gay man, and she brought what was said about her.

There were loads of stuff said about me that I brought on to be said about me. I didn't see anyone sticking up for me or coming to my rescue. Till after I went and seen a surgeon. So don't give me the BS. Thats not a pity party, but things were said about me that I rightly deserved for my actions on the board in the past.

bla bla bla, did you jump in when Brenda was being called a man by more than on TS?

:smh

You only jump in when it suits you. Excuse me asshat I did jump in. I stood up for her many times and even hated on Mimi, causing a trife between mine and Vanessas relationship. Again you obviously don't pay attention for being around so much. I even said she shouldn't be ashamed that she went to school as a man it's what get you the money to transition. So AGAIN BLAH BLAH BLAH YOURSELF!

I said when it suits you...you didn't like Mimi anyway.

You were somewhat silent when Nicole and Vanessa called her a man. rofl I had no issue with Mimi till she started calling the men actually I liked fags, thats when I started to dislike her. Then when she started going off the mouth about Brenda, I have always liked Brenda. So again it didn't suit me any.

[vegasboy]

It's not hierarchy, obviously you never spoke to Mimi. She attacked Jen first, and Jen retaliated. So even bringing that shit up is stupid. When she said shit about her on video on youtube. :roll: Something you obviously had no clue about, but you lend your opinion. Not to be a bitch, but I have sense enough not to give my opinion on things I have no clue of the history or about.
The history doesn't matter because I was making a general point. This would be like someone saying the taliban killed three civilians and I chimed in to say, "killing civilians is always wrong" and you said, "well fuck you, do you even know anything about the taliban?"

When you make a general point it applies to the specific case in point. I think calling tg' men is always wrong if and only if they identify as women. But here you are telling me she was provoked, as though her getting angry is now excuse for saying whatever she wants. Everyone gets angry. Jen pisses me off. Can I say whatever I want to her? No, first of all, I wouldn't allow myself to say certain things. And second of all, neither would anybody else.

But you can go ahead and keep telling me I don't know what I'm talking about.

[MrsKellyPierce]

It's not hierarchy, obviously you never spoke to Mimi. She attacked Jen first, and Jen retaliated. So even bringing that shit up is stupid. When she said shit about her on video on youtube. :roll: Something you obviously had no clue about, but you lend your opinion. Not to be a bitch, but I have sense enough not to give my opinion on things I have no clue of the history or about.
The history doesn't matter because I was making a general point. This would be like someone saying the taliban killed three civilians and I chimed in to say, "killing civilians is always wrong" and you said, "well fuck you, do you even know anything about the taliban?"

When you make a general point it applies to the specific case in point. I think calling tg' men is always wrong if and only if they identify as women. But here you are telling me she was provoked, as though her getting angry is now excuse for saying whatever she wants. Everyone gets angry. Jen pisses me off. Can I say whatever I want to her? No, first of all, I wouldn't allow myself to say certain things. And second of all, neither would anybody else.

But you can go ahead and keep telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just going to keep on saying whatever you say. I like being the weaker sex.

[lust4ts]

And lust you know I love you, you know I do.

But you are a hyprocrite, for the things you yourself said about Mimi in the chatrooms.

That is all.

I love you too Kel.

My point is not whether it is offensive or not.

I am saying that if it is seen as offensive, it makes no difference who is saying it.

The meaning is the same "You are a man, you are not a girl" despite who says it.

Saying that a girl has more right to say it is crazy and makes no sense at all.

[Night Rider]

rofl I had no issue with Mimi till she started calling the men actually I liked fags, thats when I started to dislike her. Then when she started going off the mouth about Brenda, I have always liked Brenda. So again it didn't suit me any.

what are you rofl about?

You're dodging the question - why not confront Vanessa or Nicole?

Is it a sister thing?

[MrsKellyPierce]

And lust you know I love you, you know I do.

But you are a hyprocrite, for the things you yourself said about Mimi in the chatrooms.

That is all.

I love you too Kel.

My point is not whether it is offensive or not.

I am saying that if it is seen as offensive, it makes no difference who is saying it.

The meaning is the same "You are a man, you are not a girl" despite who says it.

Saying that a girl has more right to say it is crazy and makes no sense at all. It isn't crazy. A genetic girl calling another girl a cunt or bitch is accepted much easier than a man doing it.

[vegasboy]

It's not hierarchy, obviously you never spoke to Mimi. She attacked Jen first, and Jen retaliated. So even bringing that shit up is stupid. When she said shit about her on video on youtube. :roll: Something you obviously had no clue about, but you lend your opinion. Not to be a bitch, but I have sense enough not to give my opinion on things I have no clue of the history or about.
The history doesn't matter because I was making a general point. This would be like someone saying the taliban killed three civilians and I chimed in to say, "killing civilians is always wrong" and you said, "well fuck you, do you even know anything about the taliban?"

When you make a general point it applies to the specific case in point. I think calling tg' men is always wrong if and only if they identify as women. But here you are telling me she was provoked, as though her getting angry is now excuse for saying whatever she wants. Everyone gets angry. Jen pisses me off. Can I say whatever I want to her? No, first of all, I wouldn't allow myself to say certain things. And second of all, neither would anybody else.

But you can go ahead and keep telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just going to keep on saying whatever you say. I like being the weaker sex.
I like you Kelly. The longer I'm here, the more likely I am to see things your way. Being a woman doesn't mean you have to listen to me if what I'm saying is shit.

[MrsKellyPierce]

rofl I had no issue with Mimi till she started calling the men actually I liked fags, thats when I started to dislike her. Then when she started going off the mouth about Brenda, I have always liked Brenda. So again it didn't suit me any.

what are you rofl about?

You're dodging the question - why not confront Vanessa or Nicole?

Is it a sister thing? I don't think I saw when that occured. I was just in the mimi thread and when I made my thread about the college she went to vanessa and mimi and nicole were respectful in the thread I made to Brenda.

[lust4ts]

And lust you know I love you, you know I do.

But you are a hyprocrite, for the things you yourself said about Mimi in the chatrooms.

That is all.

I love you too Kel.

My point is not whether it is offensive or not.

I am saying that if it is seen as offensive, it makes no difference who is saying it.

The meaning is the same "You are a man, you are not a girl" despite who says it.

Saying that a girl has more right to say it is crazy and makes no sense at all. It isn't crazy. A genetic girl calling another girl a cunt or bitch is accepted much easier than a man doing it.

No. You do not have any more right to walk up to a girl in the street and call her a bitch or cunt than I do Kelly! Despite the gender thing.

[MrsKellyPierce]

And lust you know I love you, you know I do.

But you are a hyprocrite, for the things you yourself said about Mimi in the chatrooms.

That is all.

I love you too Kel.

My point is not whether it is offensive or not.

I am saying that if it is seen as offensive, it makes no difference who is saying it.

The meaning is the same "You are a man, you are not a girl" despite who says it.

Saying that a girl has more right to say it is crazy and makes no sense at all. It isn't crazy. A genetic girl calling another girl a cunt or bitch is accepted much easier than a man doing it.

No. You do not have any more right to walk up to a girl in the street and call her a bitch or cunt than I do Kelly! Despite the gender thing. In your opinion dear, but trust me it's a world of difference.

[MrsKellyPierce]

And lust you know I love you, you know I do.

But you are a hyprocrite, for the things you yourself said about Mimi in the chatrooms.

That is all.

I love you too Kel.

My point is not whether it is offensive or not.

I am saying that if it is seen as offensive, it makes no difference who is saying it.

The meaning is the same "You are a man, you are not a girl" despite who says it.

Saying that a girl has more right to say it is crazy and makes no sense at all. It isn't crazy. A genetic girl calling another girl a cunt or bitch is accepted much easier than a man doing it.

No. You do not have any more right to walk up to a girl in the street and call her a bitch or cunt than I do Kelly! Despite the gender thing. In your opinion dear, but trust me it's a world of difference. At least in America.

[MrsKellyPierce]

But again I like being the weaker sex, so I am just going to leave it at "whatever you say gentleman"

Well that and because I need to go shower and get ready to dance my butt off.

[Felicia Katt]

That is your opinion but it is wrong, how it is taken by the person is irrelevant Felicia, the meaning is the same. You are referring to that girl as a male, it is a cop out to say that a girl has more right to say it.

It is a use of terminology, you don't claim the rights to it, or get some sort of free use of it because you are Transsexaul. That is the most hypocritical thing I have heard in this thread so far.

It is simple the rule, it either applies to everyone or no one.

And finally we don't have any laws that only apply to one gender, so that makes no sense at all. There is no way you can tell me that a Transsexual should have any right or claim to any use of terminology, if you do think then you don’t understand at all.


Sweetie, since it is the way that it is, not the way you want it to be, don't tell me its wrong LOL. And since I understand it is why it is the way it is, and you don't , don't tell me I am the one who is confused. LOL

A Jewish person can tell all the Rabbi jokes he likes and not be anti-semitic. An African American can use the N word in ways no white person even can or should. And a tranny can call another tranny a man and get away with it when a tranny admirer cannot.

I'm not saying you can't use the terms, you can. but the repercussions are different if you call Kelly a man, than if I do. To try to explain it, again, in terms you will get, under your proposed rule, its a simple rule, and it applies to everyone, no one can ever call anyone a man. But if you call Kelly a man, its an insult, If she calls you one, its not. if she calls me one, its an insult but not as serious of one because she is the pot and I am the kettle. And you aren't even on the stove. :)

FK

[lust4ts]

And lust you know I love you, you know I do.

But you are a hyprocrite, for the things you yourself said about Mimi in the chatrooms.

That is all.

I love you too Kel.

My point is not whether it is offensive or not.

I am saying that if it is seen as offensive, it makes no difference who is saying it.

The meaning is the same "You are a man, you are not a girl" despite who says it.

Saying that a girl has more right to say it is crazy and makes no sense at all. It isn't crazy. A genetic girl calling another girl a cunt or bitch is accepted much easier than a man doing it.

No. You do not have any more right to walk up to a girl in the street and call her a bitch or cunt than I do Kelly! Despite the gender thing. In your opinion dear, but trust me it's a world of difference.

There may be a difference or the stigma attatched to it, but the rights are the same, and that has been my point all along.

You have no or less or more right to that use of terminology than me.

Being a Transsexual doesn't give you the right to do someting that judge as being wrong at another time, despite whether it is done to another Transsexual.

[lust4ts]

Sweetie, since it is the way that it is, not the way you want it to be, don't tell me its wrong LOL. And since I understand it is why it is the way it is, and you don't , don't tell me I am the one who is confused. LOL

A Jewish person can tell all the Rabbi jokes he likes and not be anti-semitic. An African American can use the N word in ways no white person even can or should. And a tranny can call another tranny a man and get away with it when a tranny admirer cannot.

I'm not saying you can't use the terms, you can. but the repercussions are different if you call Kelly a man, than if I do. To try to explain it, again, in terms you will get, under your proposed rule, its a simple rule, and it applies to everyone, no one can ever call anyone a man. But if you call Kelly a man, its an insult, If she calls you one, its not. if she calls me one, its an insult but not as serious of one because she is the pot and I am the kettle. And you aren't even on the stove. :)

FK

The repercussions are subjective and rules based around terminology can not be subjective if they are going to make any sense at all.

You are comparing yourself to a Race or religion, but frankly you are neither.

The rights are the same. It is wrong and offensive either way, black and white, plain and simple.

[Night Rider]

rofl I had no issue with Mimi till she started calling the men actually I liked fags, thats when I started to dislike her. Then when she started going off the mouth about Brenda, I have always liked Brenda. So again it didn't suit me any.

what are you rofl about?

You're dodging the question - why not confront Vanessa or Nicole?

Is it a sister thing? I don't think I saw when that occured. I was just in the mimi thread and when I made my thread about the college she went to vanessa and mimi and nicole were respectful in the thread I made to Brenda.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[vegasboy]

Vegas, whats most important to me isn't sympathy or empathy but the antipathy I have to all the really harsh. hateful ad hominen horseshit that has dominated the board lately. Maybe its a chicken/egg situation, but I see more from the many towards the few, ie from the guys, to the girls, and it being more of an action by them and a reaction by us. Or an action by us and an overreaction by the men. I have had way more immature insults and invective directed towards me than anything I have said ever could have warranted. I'm just too old and jaded to respond in the way those comments might have deserved, and though it may sound trite and self righteous, I really do try to treat others the way I would like to be treated. and to turn the other cheek when I'm not.

FK
As to this last point. This makes you a better person than I, or at least a more emotionally mature person. I don't like the invective towards the women. Quite frankly I'm involved with flame threads usually because they're there, and because I see things I disagree with.

But you're right. The women who come here to express a view, interact with their many fans, and even have a little bit of banter don't deserve to ever be degraded. You know what I'm saying. Some don't follow your model...just like some guys say things I find abhorrent. But as far as you're concerned, I say this with full anticipation that it can be used against me. If you were scared away by invective, it would be a far greater loss than my being banned. But of course, my being banned wouldn't end the invective. In fact, I've never hurled invective at a polite woman like yourself.

P.S in that crazy thread last night some girl tried to tell me that the word "fag" was in the American vernacular where fag actually means loser. No matter who says it, such nonsense should be countered, and as you say preferably with reasoned discourse.

[lust4ts]

That is ridiculous, you are deluded, you think that being a Transsexual gives you special rights here and that is why you are talking shit.

By any logic, despite gender or status, if one person is allowed to call a girl a man, then so is another, that is a FACT!What makes you think you have enough common sense to know when to mind your own business? Do you think that your every thought is worth typing? I have no special rights, trust me. But that's like saying that you would have anything to contribute to a cat fight back stage at a drag show. Or that you should be able to step into a street argument in Washington Heights, NY, and that your opinion is valid or wanted. You don't have your shit together enough to go to a bar and pick up a TS, and you want to claim a right to play referee between Jen and Mimi? Get real.


Once again trying to be smart and avoiding the question, it is a fair question, why can't you answer it. What is the difference?

How can an insult or word have a different meaning because it implied by someone of a different gender, that is nonsensical and unfair.

How come I didn’t see you in the Mimi thread, disagreeing with what they were saying, and that is my point?WHICH Mimi thread?! You act as if I pay as close attention to this forum as you do. In fact, I spoke to someone yesterday who told me about a lengthy and popular thread that I have NEVER even opened due to lack of interest. Sweetheart, I barely give a shit about the ones I do read and post on.

Anyway, you want basic realities, acquired wisdom, and good ol' common sense all painstakingly explained for your convenience, but then you let Felicia's poignant post go in one ear and out the other. That says to me that you're here to argue and get attention. Well I'm not spoon-feeding you those things. This is why IRL you have nothing to do with transsexuals. You live in a myopic cyber reality, and need to get out.

Grow pair, go to one of those clubs in London, and pick up a Tgirl. Get off this forum for a few hours, and check out the REAL thing. Don't worry about double standards when you don't even have anything to compare it to in your life.

There are lots of little boys here playing grown up, regardless of how old you are in years.

Only someone as low as you would bring a conversation we had in the chatroom out here, that is a scum bag thing to do. I explained to you and have said it many times before, I have no real desire to be with a TS, it's not something I need to do, if it happens it happens. It's so stupid, you are either like me and dont give a shit ift if the girl you like is a TS or GG or a chaser you can't win nicole. That is why you talk shit.

I thought you were better than that, this is seperate discussion, we had that chat weeks ago and you bring that shit here, real classy. :roll:

[vegasboy]

Sweetie, since it is the way that it is, not the way you want it to be, don't tell me its wrong LOL. And since I understand it is why it is the way it is, and you don't , don't tell me I am the one who is confused. LOL

A Jewish person can tell all the Rabbi jokes he likes and not be anti-semitic. An African American can use the N word in ways no white person even can or should. And a tranny can call another tranny a man and get away with it when a tranny admirer cannot.

I'm not saying you can't use the terms, you can. but the repercussions are different if you call Kelly a man, than if I do. To try to explain it, again, in terms you will get, under your proposed rule, its a simple rule, and it applies to everyone, no one can ever call anyone a man. But if you call Kelly a man, its an insult, If she calls you one, its not. if she calls me one, its an insult but not as serious of one because she is the pot and I am the kettle. And you aren't even on the stove. :)

FK
That's right. I agree completely. If someone makes a comment directed at a group they don't belong to, it is far worse than if the comment comes from within the group. That doesn't mean Muhammad Ali wasn't wrong when he called Joe Frazier a "gorilla". It just means that it wasn't as bad as if a caucasian had said it. And there are myriad reasons for this.

That said, despite the insults not being equivalent, I still think tg's shouldn't call each other men. You can't say it's polite in an absolute sense.

[lust4ts]

The repercussions are subjective and rules based around terminology can not be subjective if they are going to make any sense at all.

You are comparing yourself to a Race or religion, but frankly you are neither.

The rights are the same. It is wrong and offensive either way, black and white, plain and simple.Sweetheart, you don't know what we are. You can't even muster up the confidence to go to a TS bar. I think you should post less until you do.

See this is your augument now, off topic and bullshit. I told you I don't want to go to a TS bar because I don't give a shit about being with a TS.

I respect them as women and nothing else so why would I go to a bar to meet them dumb ass?

You are fucking low, I really thought you had some class. Damn that is a pussy thing to do.

[lust4ts]

Only someone as low as you would bring a conversation we had in the chatroom out here, that is a scum bag thing to do. I explained to you and have said it many times before, I have no real desire to be with a TS, it's not something I need to do, if it happens it happens. It's so stupid, you are either like me and dont give a shit ift if the girl you like is a TS or GG or a chaser you can't win nicole. That is why you talk shit.

I thought you were better than that, this is seperate discussion, we had that chat weeks ago and you bring that shit here, real classy. :roll:You're kidding, right? You want me to keep a conversation we had in a public chat room confidential? But ok, here come the names, like scumbag, and an evaluation of my "class". So I'll let you get back to your special little world. You can't face the one almost everyone else here lives in. I can see exactly what I'm dealing with.

I am not a chaser Nicole, where is the shame in that?

If I meet a TS, it will be like any other relationship I am not going to leech around gay bars in london to meet one.

I could throw what you do for a living at you, but I won't, whatever you have said, I did respect you, but only a shitty person would need to do that in a completely seperate debate, and you know it.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I'm disgusted by Eli Manning

it has nothing to do with this thread, but I feel better making it known

[Felicia Katt]

Sweetie, you are a good person, but a poor listener in this area. All terminology is subjective, and depends on the persons involved. Race and Religion are analogies, they illustrate the point. Its not offensve at all for a rabbi to say the the difference between a Jew and a canoe is that the canoe tips. (I know this since I heard this joke at a Jewish wedding from a rabbi) He said it and it was funny, if I had said it as part of a wedding toast, as a non-jew it would have been offensive. Same words, same context, but different outcome

Since you can't or won't relate gender to race or relgion, despite their relative and relevant similarities, consider this. I can call any of my gay friends a faggot, or a queer or Mary and get a hug back. If I call anyone here that, I expect a headlock, not a hug. Same words, similar context, but different outcomes. My gay friends would have a different reaction to those same words if they were said by someone holding a baseball bat in car cruising slowly past them on the streets of West Hollywood. Same words, but not the same outcome. Its a term of endearment in one context, a slight in another, and a hate crime in yet another.

Not black, not white, not plain, not simple. Its all subjective but understandable all the same. There are some things you will get away with that other's won''t. And some you won't that others will.

FK

[Quinn]

The thing I'm most disgusted about is that I'm not really disgusted by anything at the moment. How disgusting!!! Just thought I'd throw that out there.

-Quinn

[vegasboy]

The thing I'm most disgusted about is that I'm not really disgusted by anything at the moment. How disgusting!!! Just thought I'd throw that out there.

-Quinn
You're too stoic. I'm disgusted by the fact that people only respond to the inflammatory stuff here. When I say something agreeable, even as a quote, I'm summarily ignored.

[Quinn]

The thing I'm most disgusted about is that I'm not really disgusted by anything at the moment. How disgusting!!! Just thought I'd throw that out there.

-Quinn
You're too stoic. I'm disgusted by the fact that people only respond to the inflammatory stuff here. When I say something agreeable, even as a quote, I'm summarily ignored.

You know what, Vegas? You have an excellent point. I'm now disgusted by that as well. Disgusted I say! Disgusted!

-Quinn

[vegasboy]

The thing I'm most disgusted about is that I'm not really disgusted by anything at the moment. How disgusting!!! Just thought I'd throw that out there.

-Quinn
You're too stoic. I'm disgusted by the fact that people only respond to the inflammatory stuff here. When I say something agreeable, even as a quote, I'm summarily ignored.

You know what, Vegas? You have an excellent point. I'm now disgusted by that as well. Disgusted I say! Disgusted!

-Quinn
Yeah but there goes our reason to be disgusted. Cause we've each quoted each other. So I'm going back to being disgusted by my lack of disgust :D .

Actually was going to say for the girls before I go out. You play into the negative attention because guys are here and want to talk to you. Yet when they disagree, you say, it's because they don't know you from experience. And when they agree and try to add some nuance, it's another roll of the eyes, and more of the patronizing you don't know shit about discrimination gambit. So I'm done agreeing. Good night.

[Quinn]

The thing I'm most disgusted about is that I'm not really disgusted by anything at the moment. How disgusting!!! Just thought I'd throw that out there.

-QuinnI think I'm going to be ill. lol

Thanks, Nicole, now I'm going to be disgusted by that too. Way to add to my dilema. :lol:

And with that latest bit of none-too-clever nonsense on my party, I'm off to bed. (My sleeping pills are finally kicking in.) Night, all. Be well.

-Quinn

[lust4ts]

Sweetie, you are a good person, but a poor listener in this area. All terminology is subjective, and depends on the persons involved. Race and Religion are analogies, they illustrate the point. Its not offensve at all for a rabbi to say the the difference between a Jew and a canoe is that the canoe tips. (I know this since I heard this joke at a Jewish wedding from a rabbi) He said it and it was funny, if I had said it as part of a wedding toast, as a non-jew it would have been offensive. Same words, same context, but different outcome

Since you can't or won't relate gender to race or relgion, despite their relative and relevant similarities, consider this. I can call any of my gay friends a faggot, or a queer or Mary and get a hug back. If I call anyone here that, I expect a headlock, not a hug. Same words, similar context, but different outcomes. My gay friends would have a different reaction to those same words if they were said by someone holding a baseball bat in car cruising slowly past them on the streets of West Hollywood. Same words, but not the same outcome. Its a term of endearment in one context, a slight in another, and a hate crime in yet another.

Not black, not white, not plain, not simple. Its all subjective but understandable all the same. There are some things you will get away with that other's won''t. And some you won't that others will.

FK

See just to prove I am not an asshole who argues for the sake of it, OK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE THAT I MAY OF MISSED, are you looking Nicole, I didn't drag anything up from weeks back to make a totally different point. :roll:

So yes ok I see how it can be taken different, But what you said about the word fag as a use of endeerment to another gay person is far removed from the context of how calling a TS on a forum a man that you don't actually have a friendship with is used, despite if it is another girl who says it.

Look they are both wrong and offensive but I concede that they may be taken in different lights!

The actual facts are still the same, but in the sake of being fair and understanding someone who has more experience of the term and what it means to be called it, I take your point Felicia.

Thank's for not applying any underhand tactics, well you wouldn't because you have some class. :)

[lust4ts]

I am not a chaser Nicole, where is the shame in that?

If I meet a TS, it will be like any other relationship I am not going to leech around gay bars in london to meet one.

I could throw what you do for a living at you, but I won't, whatever you have said, I did respect you, but only a shitty person would need to do that in a completely seperate debate, and you know it.No. It puts in perspective why you need so much explained to you. We're a concept you have, and not a RL experience. Maybe a chaser phase would jolt you into a better reality than the one you live in. For you it's all theory. And trying to shame me about being an escort is another perfect example of how little you can touch, taste, see, and smell a whole world that you keep a comfortable distance from. Because you're paranoid about gay bars on a TS night? lol You live a sheltered life. What are you afraid of? That you're going to get raped or something? ;)

Lust, you're a nice guy, and you're pretty bright too. But, emotionally, you're a kid. Sorry.

I didn't try and shame you, I was making an example of if I dropped to that level what I could say.

The fact is you brought a seperate argument into this one, it actually took someone else who explained without using underhand tactics to make me see where I was going wrong.

But thanks for trying, next time try not to sink so low.

[Felicia Katt]

As to this last point. This makes you a better person than I, or at least a more emotionally mature person. I don't like the invective towards the women. Quite frankly I'm involved with flame threads usually because they're there, and because I see things I disagree with.

But you're right. The women who come here to express a view, interact with their many fans, and even have a little bit of banter don't deserve to ever be degraded. You know what I'm saying. Some don't follow your model...just like some guys say things I find abhorrent. But as far as you're concerned, I say this with full anticipation that it can be used against me. If you were scared away by invective, it would be a far greater loss than my being banned. But of course, my being banned wouldn't end the invective. In fact, I've never hurled invective at a polite woman like yourself.

P.S in that crazy thread last night some girl tried to tell me that the word "fag" was in the American vernacular where fag actually means loser. No matter who says it, such nonsense should be countered, and as you say preferably with reasoned discourse.
Thanks, sweetie, I am not for banning people, except for really egregious, disruptive stuff. but I am in favor of shunning people who make debate a battlefield. If more people ignored them, they'd either change their tune or quit the orchestra. I'm not one of the reasons people come here, the only fans I have circulate air, but I hope I am a very small reason people stay and participate and maybe self moderate a little. to persuade more :)



FK

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

shut the fuck up heathen, you owe me what I say you owe me, fuck you up like I did Santa

[Night Rider]

Where is this world you Tgirls live in? Are you sure it's not a cloud?

[lust4ts]

See just to prove I am not an asshole who argues for the sake of it, OK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE THAT I MAY OF MISSED, are you looking Nicole, I didn't drag anything up from weeks back to make a totally different point. :roll:

So yes ok I see how it can be taken different, But what you said about the word fag as a use of endeerment to another gay person is far removed from the context of how calling a TS on a forum a man that you don't actually have a friendship with is used, despite if it is another girl who says it.

Look they are both wrong and offensive but I concede that they may be taken in different lights!

The actual facts are still the same, but in the sake of being fair and understanding someone who has more experience of the term and what it means to be called it, I take your point Felicia.

Thank's for not applying any underhand tactics, well you wouldn't because you have some class. :)Good enough. Take her points. She made a number of good ones. I'll be the "underhanded" one here.

Felecia, we're playing "good T, bad T" here. lol


OK, look I respect everyone here apart from Jen, even you Nicole and even still after bringing that shit up lol. I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

I just think Jen is a nasty and sneaky person. I question her view point and she puts me in sigs and thread polls, I have had allot of arguments here but I have never made polls about people to cause trouble, I am happy to leave drama in the thread or in the chatroom in that case.

So if people want to consider me a women hater for thinking Jen is nasty person, then so be it.

If she makes a thread to attack me I will fight back and whatever she has done I still never called her a man. A fucking nasty bitch yes, but not a man.

[lust4ts]

I didn't try and shame you, I was making an example of if I dropped to that level what I could say.

The fact is you brought a seperate argument into this one, it actually took someone else who explained without using underhand tactics to make me see where I was going wrong.

But thanks for trying, next time try not to sink so low.Let me just explain that Jen, Mimi, Felecia, myself, and every other girl on this board owes you NOT A DAMN THING. We are human beings, living our lives. YOU will often have to put 2 and 2 together in OUR world. Sorry.

Of course you don't owe me anything, but I owe you nothing either, respect works both ways, to me whether someone is a TS or not does not make a difference. If someone treats me like a cunt, I will return the gesture, despite what strugles you might of been through.

[Night Rider]

At least you had the balls to show your face here.

It's not a dating site.

[Night Rider]

At least you had the balls to show your face here.

It's not a dating site.Who said it was? People don't show their faces here because they've mistaken it for a dating site.

You make it out like it's compulsory to use a photo. Why should we?

[lust4ts]

OK, look I respect everyone here apart from Jen, even you Nicole and even still after bringing that shit up lol. I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

I just think Jen is a nasty and sneaky person. I question her view point and she puts me in sigs and thread polls, I have had allot of arguments here but I have never made polls about people to cause trouble, I am happy to leave drama in the thread or in the chatroom in that case.

So if people want to consider me a women hater for thinking Jen is nasty person, then so be it.

If she makes a thread to attack me I will fight back and whatever she has done I still never called her a man. A fucking nasty bitch yes, but not a man.Newsflash, Lust. Probably more than half the guys hyere have never seen a TS that they were aware of in their lives!

At least you had the balls to show your face here. You're actually ahead of the game, but don't get too comfy.

This is the honest thing Nicole, I joined this site when I had a slight obsession with Tgirls and back then it was something I was focused on, so I used to go around here wide eyed and kissing any girls ass I could.

One day I got over that obsession and just see you as women the cock means nothing to me now. I just feel like if I have something to say I should say it regardless of if that person I may disagree with is a HHA.

The thing what you were talking about earlier, I don't want to go to a bar with the purpose of meeting a TS, if it happens I want it to be natural and to be honest if it never does happen that is cool too.

I come here because of the community and thye varied people and posters that here. And we all know I would be lying if I said I didn't love the drama.

You have to admit that half these guys here are have ago hero pussys who will say anything to get noticed and in a girls good books (Legend for example and Bilko), the fact that these girls have a cock seems to make there balls disappear and they turn into shameless kiss ass little bitches.

I don't have a need to be with one of you, but that does not mean I don't respect you, I just don't lust (stupid I know as its my name lol) after you anymore, a TS is a women to me, nothing more, nothing less.

[Night Rider]

You make it out like it's compulsory to use a photo. Why should we?No I don't. And you shouldn't unless you feel comfortable with it and want to. I appreciate associating a face with someone's posts, but I get along very well here with plenty of people that I've yet to see a photo of; so thats a separate issue.

And in Lust's case; having a healthy amount of self esteem about his looks at a TS club will work in his favor. Women don't find low self esteem attractive.

Yeah, I'm aware of that and not having a photo for an avatar has nothing to do with low self esteem. You know that anyway, but you always seem to question why people are faceless.

[lust4ts]

OK, look I respect everyone here apart from Jen, even you Nicole and even still after bringing that shit up lol. I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

I just think Jen is a nasty and sneaky person. I question her view point and she puts me in sigs and thread polls, I have had allot of arguments here but I have never made polls about people to cause trouble, I am happy to leave drama in the thread or in the chatroom in that case.

So if people want to consider me a women hater for thinking Jen is nasty person, then so be it.

If she makes a thread to attack me I will fight back and whatever she has done I still never called her a man. A fucking nasty bitch yes, but not a man.Newsflash, Lust. Probably more than half the guys hyere have never seen a TS that they were aware of in their lives!

At least you had the balls to show your face here. You're actually ahead of the game, but don't get too comfy.

This is the honest thing Nicole, I joined this site when I had a slight obsession with Tgirls and back then it was something I was focused on, so I used to go around here wide eyed and kissing any girls ass I could.

One day I got over that obsession and just see you as women the cock means nothing to me now. I just feel like if I have something to say I should say it regardless of if that person I may disagree with is a HHA.

The thing what you were talking about earlier, I don't want to go to a bar with the purpose of meeting a TS, if it happens I want it to be natural and to be honest if it never does happen that is cool too.

I come here because of the community and thye varied people and posters that here. And we all know I would be lying if I said I didn't love the drama.

You have to admit that half these guys here are have ago hero pussys who will say anything to get noticed and in a girls good books (Legend for example and Bilko), the fact that these girls have a cock seems to make there balls disappear and they turn into shameless kiss ass little bitches.

I don't have a need to be with one of you, but that does not mean I don't respect you, I just don't lust (stupid I know as its my name lol) after you anymore, a TS is a women to me, nothing more, nothing less.Fair enough. I don't care what you do. But I don't say that to be a jerk. I mean it. Life's too short to kid yourself about what you want.


Seriously I'm not kidding myself, I am seeing someone now I like allot!
She is sweet and funny and I feel bad because we were supposed to be going out and I told her I was ill to fight on an internet forum, I think I am addicted to the drama lol, I need help. :lol:

I just mean I am now open to relationships with GG's, TS's (pre op or Post op), I sincerely don't have a preference. There is a good chance where I live it will never happen unless I go looking for it and that is cool to me. It doesn't mean I should stop coming here because as I said it’s only my motivation and the magnitude that has changed, not my overall attraction!

[trish]

hello, Kelly, Nicole, Felicia, Lust and NR. Looks like you guys had a long and interesting discussion. I want to thank you all for the read; but especially Felicia.

Felicia, I felt like you were very carefully and very clearly explaining my own thoughts to myself. thank you.

(proof reading this post i just now realize i used the slang interpretation of "guys" which neuter:))