Do you plan to have SRS at sometime?

[NYTSJulie]

Do you plan to have SRS at sometime?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Yes, in five years, with Dr. Reed in Miami, Florida.

[NYTSJulie]

I do in a few years not sure exactly when but I want to go to Dr. Melter in Arizona.

[KiraHarden]

Yes! I'm looking at having SRS in 2008/09. Ill be discussing this with my therapist soon. Its Time I'm ready. DR Bowers

[NYTSJulie]

Yes! I'm looking at having SRS in 2008/09. Ill be discussing this with my therapist soon. Its Time I'm ready. DR Bowers

I am afraid to go to Dr. Bowers, two reason I heard she doesn't get give good depth and also she is a tranny and a lot of trannys are shady. She might be like "this bitch is prettier then me" they slay her and give her a 2 inch twat.

[KiraHarden]

Yes! I'm looking at having SRS in 2008/09. Ill be discussing this with my therapist soon. Its Time I'm ready. DR Bowers

I am afraid to go to Dr. Bowers, two reason I heard she doesn't get give good depth and also she is a tranny and a lot of trannys are shady. She might be like "this bitch is prettier then me" they slay her and give her a 2 inch twat.
Good point and I did have a therapist that was a tranny, and was a hater... HMMMM!!!

[NYTSJulie]

Yes! I'm looking at having SRS in 2008/09. Ill be discussing this with my therapist soon. Its Time I'm ready. DR Bowers

I am afraid to go to Dr. Bowers, two reason I heard she doesn't get give good depth and also she is a tranny and a lot of trannys are shady. She might be like "this bitch is prettier then me" they slay her and give her a 2 inch twat.
Good point and I did have a therapist that was a tranny, and was a hater... HMMMM!!!

I think Schrang was the best ever but hes retired, so my second choice would be to go to Meltzer.

[KiraHarden]

Yes! I'm looking at having SRS in 2008/09. Ill be discussing this with my therapist soon. Its Time I'm ready. DR Bowers

I am afraid to go to Dr. Bowers, two reason I heard she doesn't get give good depth and also she is a tranny and a lot of trannys are shady. She might be like "this bitch is prettier then me" they slay her and give her a 2 inch twat.
Good point and I did have a therapist that was a tranny, and was a hater... HMMMM!!!

I think Schrang was the best ever but hes retired, so my second choice would be to go to Meltzer.
I know and he was 1 hour away from me....

[NYTSJulie]

Yes! I'm looking at having SRS in 2008/09. Ill be discussing this with my therapist soon. Its Time I'm ready. DR Bowers

I am afraid to go to Dr. Bowers, two reason I heard she doesn't get give good depth and also she is a tranny and a lot of trannys are shady. She might be like "this bitch is prettier then me" they slay her and give her a 2 inch twat.
Good point and I did have a therapist that was a tranny, and was a hater... HMMMM!!!

I think Schrang was the best ever but hes retired, so my second choice would be to go to Meltzer.
I know and he was 1 hour away from me....

I spoke to him a few times over the phone, he was actually very nice and down to earth.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Quite possibly..IF I could still have an orgasm. If not, Oh well..LOL

Dr. Schrang did excellent work on one of my ts friends. And Dr. Suporn on another friend. The latter said she is able to have an orgasm.

~Kisses.

HTG

[BrendaQG]

I will have SRS when I can afford it. Hopefully in 2009. I would either want Dr. Alter or Suporn. I have heard very good things about both.

I also have heard nothing nice about Dr. Bowers surgical result. This woman says her urine stream angles off to the right, and she has little sensation. (http://www.annelawrence.com/bowers1104.html) :-?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I saw Miss Bowers work in person and I wasn't impressed not on just one girl a couple girls. That came in to get some final hair removed from their vaginal area.

I was impressed with Dr. Reeds, because all the girls that came in and had their work done by him. Had pretty outsides, as well as depth. He did about 12 of the girls that came to our office. My own boss also did her SRS with him and she was featured on 20/20 they taped it when she was going in for surgery etc.

But he just really pays attention to the detail on the outside, gives you a nice hood and clitoris you can be proud of. All the girls were able to orgasm after 6 to 8 months they said.

[KiraHarden]

Yes! I'm looking at having SRS in 2008/09. Ill be discussing this with my therapist soon. Its Time I'm ready. DR Bowers

I am afraid to go to Dr. Bowers, two reason I heard she doesn't get give good depth and also she is a tranny and a lot of trannys are shady. She might be like "this bitch is prettier then me" they slay her and give her a 2 inch twat.
Good point and I did have a therapist that was a tranny, and was a hater... HMMMM!!!

I think Schrang was the best ever but hes retired, so my second choice would be to go to Meltzer.
I know and he was 1 hour away from me....

I spoke to him a few times over the phone, he was actually very nice and down to earth.
So did I, thats when I found out he didnt like doing SRS on someone who went to someone else for Orchi, which I did do a few yrs ago.

[justatransgirl]

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[MrsKellyPierce]

The pictures you see of Dr. Reeds on his website are from the first pass. He does it in a two step process. He will do the initial sex change. Then he has you come in after month and a half to two months then he makes the outside of the vagina. That way everything goes in the right place and he isnt' guessing.

[BrendaQG]

Marcie Bowers is a great surgeon and isn't going to be catty. One of my best friends had her's with her and is very happy.


This is from an actual paitient of hers..

"My urination stream angles off to the right, but I can usually go to the bathroom without making too much of a mess. The vaginal introitus is kind of tight and it is difficult to start dilation. However, once I penetrate, things loosen up fairly quickly. I have not been able to use the 1.5 inch (38 mm) diameter stent, but the 1.4 inch (35 mm) stent works just fine. I have about 5-3/4 inches (14.5 cm) of depth."

5-3/4 inches long and 1.4 in diameter! :shock: Basically that woman can only have sex with an 8 year old.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Marcie Bowers is a great surgeon and isn't going to be catty. One of my best friends had her's with her and is very happy.


This is from an actual paitient of hers..

"My urination stream angles off to the right, but I can usually go to the bathroom without making too much of a mess. The vaginal introitus is kind of tight and it is difficult to start dilation. However, once I penetrate, things loosen up fairly quickly. I have not been able to use the 1.5 inch (38 mm) diameter stent, but the 1.4 inch (35 mm) stent works just fine. I have about 5-3/4 inches (14.5 cm) of depth."

5-3/4 inches long and 1.4 in diameter! :shock: Basically that woman can only have sex with an 8 year old.thats what all the girls complained about the urinary and tightness. If you look on annelawrence.com they complain too.

[BrendaQG]

that's where I got this.

[MacShreach]

Quite possibly..IF I could still have an orgasm. If not, Oh well..LOL

Dr. Schrang did excellent work on one of my ts friends. And Dr. Suporn on another friend. The latter said she is able to have an orgasm.

~Kisses.

HTG

You do have to remember that a significant number of genetic women have difficulty achieving orgasm, so the fact that in some cases post-SRS transwomen have the same problem is perhaps not very surprising.

Most of the gg women I have known have said that they had problems orgasming through sex at some time in their lives(something I was able to help several with 8) ) and some even had problems coming through masturbation, though this is much more rare in my experience.

http://www.centerforfemalesexuality.com/orgasm.htm

Men generally find it quite easy to come and having to re-learn how may be something of a challenge for the TS woman. But I am sure you are used to those.

[Vicki Richter]

Yes... I already got my golden ticket. Probably within 1-3 years unless I am pursuaded otherwise.

[bezane]

Yes... I already got my golden ticket. Probably within 1-3 years unless I am pursuaded otherwise.

This is where I draw the line and say stop. Don't. I'm not some fan creaming over you. Just don't.

[BADAZZBODY]

YES INDEED BUT SURE NOT RIGHT NOW PROBABLY WHEN I GET N MY LATE 30'S OR EARLY 40'S AND REALLY BORED

MY TOP PICS ARE
DR SUPORN
DR TOBY MELTZER

THEY THE ONLY TWO AND GIVE THE BEST RESULTS COSMETICALLY AND MECHNICALLY

[drock]

OK I guess i'm in the wrong topic here but my advice is please don't do it. LOL

[tsmandy]

Absolutely, I'm really looking forward to it. If I had the money I would probably go with Dr. Bowers, I've heard really good things about her from friends.

I definitely concur with Jamie about caring less than I used too, since becoming a sex worker. Strangely enough escorting really helped me learn to love my girl-dick, whereas before I was pretty distressed by it. At this point its not about hating what I have, but knowing what I want, and what I want is a cunt.

Now if only I was better at not being perpetually broke....

[BBaggins06]

I do in a few years not sure exactly when but I want to go to Dr. Melter in Arizona.

I voted no. You didn't say only women could vote. :)

Anyways, my ex had hers with Dr. Meltzer as well and is very happy with the results. There were a couple of complications at first like needing skin grafts from her hip, but they were momentary glitches. A nice little side effect for me was that she wanted sex alot more than she did prior to SRS. :lol: Mahalo

Matt

[JANIRA]

Im very happy with what i have, have always been. I dont plan on having the srs, Its just not for me. When i began my transition if you would of asked me i would of said yes for sure, but that was when i was 17 18,, now that Im older , I am certain its not a step i dont want to take.

[JANIRA]

*** Its not a step i want to take**** lol typo

[Hannibal Lecter]

Having SRS, OK, but what then? Have you girls carefully planned for the "day after"?
SRS is not a joke, it's a kind of a life-long project. What are your thoughts on this?

[KiraHarden]

Im willing to bet all the guys are saying NO!

[Night Rider]

Im willing to bet all the guys are saying NO!

I think you mean gays are saying NO! Must have been a typo :mrgreen:

[KiraHarden]

Wrong. It's totally up to the individual Her life, her choice.



Im willing to bet all the guys are saying NO!
I understand that but with some guys it appears they are more concerned with the cock and dont reaize that it is a burden to alot of TS females...

To the guy who asked if we realize its a life long commitment....

Of course we give SRS a great deal a thought. We dont just flip a coin and call heads to keep the Penis and tails for Vagina.

[KiraHarden]

Im willing to bet all the guys are saying NO!

I think you mean gays are saying NO! Must have been a typo :mrgreen:
I wouldn't say a thing like that :wink:

[Hannibal Lecter]

Im willing to bet all the guys are saying NO!

Well, not all of us guys here are cock lovers. What if some of us are interested
in girl's personalities, and are (oddly enough) here simply because of that? ;-)

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Yes for sure.

Completed therapy- had a consultation with Dr. Meltzer
Just waiting to do it.

I would definatelu advise any girl who wants to do this to have a consukt with Dr. Meltzer.

Dr. Schrang IMO was the best- from the work that I saw
but he has retired.

Dr. Metlzers reseults look euqually as good.

I was having a talk with my plastic surgeon today about how practice- and the more surgery you do the better you get at it and I really do believe that to be the case. Dr. Meltzer is probably doing the most SRS cases in the US today.

I think Marcy Bowers surgeries do not look good at all. I for one advocate anyone doing this surgery who is in the US -should do it in the US.

[KiraHarden]

Yea, those guys are putting their cock fantasies/fetishes ahead of the woman's needs.

Mayeb you should do a poll...

If you have a tgirlfriend who was considering SRS, what ywould you recommend:

1) Gor for it
2) Don't do it
3) Leave it up entirely to her and support her final decision.



Wrong. It's totally up to the individual Her life, her choice.



Im willing to bet all the guys are saying NO!
I understand that but with some guys it appears they are more concerned with the cock and dont reaize that it is a burden to alot of TS females...

To the guy who asked if we realize its a life long commitment....

Of course we give SRS a great deal a thought. We dont just flip a coin and call heads to keep the Penis and tails for Vagina.

If you truly respect a TS, you would understand and support the girl in her choice. Regardless of if you like the dick....

[KiraHarden]

Just so we understand each other. That is what I've been saying, the decisions rests solely with the person undergoing the srs.



Yea, those guys are putting their cock fantasies/fetishes ahead of the woman's needs.

Mayeb you should do a poll...

If you have a tgirlfriend who was considering SRS, what ywould you recommend:

1) Gor for it
2) Don't do it
3) Leave it up entirely to her and support her final decision.



Wrong. It's totally up to the individual Her life, her choice.



Im willing to bet all the guys are saying NO!
I understand that but with some guys it appears they are more concerned with the cock and dont reaize that it is a burden to alot of TS females...

To the guy who asked if we realize its a life long commitment....

Of course we give SRS a great deal a thought. We dont just flip a coin and call heads to keep the Penis and tails for Vagina.

If you truly respect a TS, you would understand and support the girl in her choice. Regardless of if you like the dick....
I did Understand, I was just posting my thoughts....

[bezane]

So if you like a pre-op girl.....you're a cock lover? That simple huh? If you're in a relationship, you will BOTH need counseling. Suddenly your girlfriend is different. Very different. Maybe some guys have given this a lot of thought and don't want to be in a position to leave the one they love after surgery because.....things are different.

Yet many here, I think, play to girls by saying you're a cock lover and don't care about the girl's personality. That's silly. I just invested my life with her. It wasn't for her cock. I can jump from bed to bed if it was for her cock.

Large change in relationships have a huge percentage of failure. In a hetero relationship it might be pregnancy. Many men have trouble with post pregnancy intimacy. It can be many things though.

But this is something that I totally support but the girl has to be aware that things will change. A guy may be suspicious of the girl's state of mind once she has changed. Will she now want men that have not had a transsexual desire for example.

But this question is obviously for the girl to decide individually but for public discussion each side should be voiced. I personally feel an attraction for a TS girl. I also feel that I was bold in my desire as well as my choice to have a LTR with her. Once we've both overcome everything.....I'm cool with things the way they are.

I'm curious if statistics have been compiled in regards to Transsexual in LTR before SRS and the state of those relationships after SRS.

PeggyGee?

[lust4ts]

Post op girls are hot! But whatever the girl decides is her choice!

If a guy was to leave a girl because she got SRS, he is simply a Cockbandit! Once the genitalia becomes the main focus of the relationship then it has no true basis, apart from the guy liking to look at a pretty feminine face when he sucks cock and takes it up the ass, because it makes him feel better about himself, of course!

[BeardedOne]

Im willing to bet all the guys are saying NO!

Oh, you know it, dear! :lol:

To many, including myself (Yah, I confess!) it's all about the dick. My dick, your dick, Dick Cheney, Dick van Dyke (Heh, I said 'Dyke'), Spotted Dick, you name it.

But if they stand in the way of what you want, what you =need=, then THEY are the dicks.

Fist off, I didn't vote in this poll (Though, rest assured, I am NOT getting SRS in this lifetime :wink: ). It's for the gurls alone and I've been reading their thoughts and opinions (And recommendations) with great interest.

I've known some post-op Ts who are quite well-adjusted and happy with their journeys to a better, more comfortable life. More power to 'em. I've also met a fair number of pre-op/non-op Ts who say they would never part with their 'T clit' or 'gurl cock'. Time will tell.

Do what you =need= to do, not what someone convinces you is good for you (Or them).

[MacShreach]

Im willing to bet all the guys are saying NO!

Believe me, baby, I'm not. You go for it and be the woman you are. Experience suggests that afterwards you will be less keen on places like this, but if you're still here, I'll still be your friend.

[MacShreach]

Yea, those guys are putting their cock fantasies/fetishes ahead of the woman's needs.

Mayeb you should do a poll...

If you have a tgirlfriend who was considering SRS, what ywould you recommend:

1) Gor for it
2) Don't do it
3) Leave it up entirely to her and support her final decision.






Obviously 3) but ...This is totally hypothetical anyway but I know in myself I'd be leaning towards 1) even though I'd always try to project a balanced supportive view.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Having SRS, OK, but what then? Have you girls carefully planned for the "day after"?
SRS is not a joke, it's a kind of a life-long project. What are your thoughts on this? I have been living most of my life as a woman, 13 years of it. You get kind of tired of looking at yourself in the mirror with boobs and a cock. When you want to look int the mirror and see a vagina to match the boobs. Not only that I think it will be better for relationships. Most of my ts girlfriends are post-op and all very happy, beautiful, confident women. I long to be there someday too.

[MacShreach]

. Most of my ts girlfriends are post-op and all very happy, beautiful, confident women. I long to be there someday too.

You will be.

[Castor_Troy05]

I'm gonna go ahead and admit I voted no, purely because I am not transsexual and therefore SRS for me would be pretty stupid

[tgirlzoe]

My experience has shown me that I want SRS at some point, sooner rather than later, primarily subject to finances. When I was 16, I hoped I could convince my parents to loan me the money so I could get it before I was 2 (I was quite the dreamer, no?). When I started HRT against my parents' wishes at 19, I hoped to get it before I was 25. Now I'm 23 and just wanting to get it before I'm 30.

I don't hate my cock, I enjoy it and hope to have as much sexual pleasure from a pussy. I've never seen a TS vagina in real life though, only pics on the Internet so I don't know the specifics or even how close to a real vagina they look/feel/smell/taste/etc.

I've heard many good things about Suporn but now I'm looking into Chettawut, also out of Bangkok. He is cheap ($8600) but good, and both are important to me.

I just get frustrated that I'm not going to move on until after SRS. Being the whole "chick-with-a-dick" is fun now but the picture will be VERY different when I'm 50! I just want to be normal eventually.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

You do have to remember that a significant number of genetic women have difficulty achieving orgasm, so the fact that in some cases post-SRS transwomen have the same problem is perhaps not very surprising.

Most of the gg women I have known have said that they had problems orgasming through sex at some time in their lives(something I was able to help several with 8) ) and some even had problems coming through masturbation, though this is much more rare in my experience.

http://www.centerforfemalesexuality.com/orgasm.htm

Men generally find it quite easy to come and having to re-learn how may be something of a challenge for the TS woman. But I am sure you are used to those.

You are RIGHT MacShreach. But based on my personal point of view..IF I couldn't have an orgasm then why get a pussy? What I'm saying is - Why fix something that isn't broken?!? LOL :lol:

If I want to have a pussy, I would want it function like the real thing (minus child birth) so I can enjoy not only looking at it in the mirror but more so squirting up for my partner! :P

LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[Ecstatic]

Im willing to bet all the guys are saying NO!
That's a bet you'd lose, Kira! I have a couple of good friends (in RL) who are post-op (one of intimate acquaintance) and I wholly endorse any woman going for SRS. Yes, I personally favor non-op girls, but that's a sexual preference that's somehow hardwired into my brain. I would never suggest that any woman not have SRS, only that (as Janira implies) that she make the right decision for herself, whether to do so or not. For some it's the right choice, for others not.

[JamesHunt]

Im willing to bet all the guys are saying NO!

Look Kira, sucking off a TS, when she obviously hates it, does make sense with us guys. Most of us understand the situation...

[justatransgirl]

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[DaLonelyGuyNJ]

It is the choice of the TS lady. Let's not be selfish here, her genitals are of no concern...her happiness is.

[justatransgirl]

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[Luna555]

I keep going over it and saying yes and then changing again to no and back to yes. Honestly right now I am happy with what I have at the moment but when I look ahead into my future I do want to just be normal...or as normal as I can be. I don't want my cock to be a reason why a guy is with me or where I end up in life and what I can accomplish with my life and I honestly believe that if I keep my cock it will determine alot of things in my life. I also know that it might be fun right now(as Zoe said) to be a pre-op tgirl but its not going to be that way my entire life.

Im already done with all the counseling and doctors approvals because when I was younger SRS was number one on my list and my mom paid for my doctor visits and counseling with 2 psychologist and they approved me...one of them I have known since I was 13 and the other one was a specialized psychologist in transsexuals.

I just really hope I dont regret the choice that I make. And I am also just really scarred about the outcome of the surgery being able to orgasm is really important....I dont want to experience "mental orgasms".

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

no thanks!!!- dialate 2~3 times a day for the rest of my life!?!

zoinks that's gotta suck, and if you forget...then it closes up--Yuck!

[KiraHarden]

I'm gonna go ahead and admit I voted no, purely because I am not transsexual and therefore SRS for me would be pretty stupid
This poll is not for guys wanting SRS its for Preop Transsexuals.... :?

[tgirlzoe]

no thanks!!!- dialate 2~3 times a day for the rest of my life!?!

zoinks that's gotta suck, and if you forget...then it closes up--Yuck!

AFAIK, it's only that often for a while after surgery, not for your whole life! Normally, it's muuch less but from what I understand sex/masturbation works just fine for keeping things the way you want them. Otherwise you lose depth, making sex harder

Anyone plase feel free to elaborate.

[MacShreach]

I'm gonna go ahead and admit I voted no, purely because I am not transsexual and therefore SRS for me would be pretty stupid

Aye right. Weren't you just the other day expressing your disappointment that a girl had gone SRS?

We do pay attention you know.

[the commander]

I personally see gender identity and sexual orientation as a sliding scale. While most people fit securely into "male" and "female", regardless of the genitals they are born with, I strongly suspect there are people who fall somewhere in between.

I suspect most people with GID fall clearly into male or female and would definately want to gain or lose a penis, there are probably some who fall in between and while happy to look like the gender they most identify with, would be perfectly happy not going through with the full transformation.

While I will readily admit that my sexual orientation leads me to be attracted to a transsexual who has only gone partway through transition, if I had a life partner who wanted to go all the way through transition, I would totally support them. Fortunately for me, my sexual orientation also leans more toward women, so someone who has gone through transition would be just as pleasing, just in a different way.

To sum up...cut it off or don't cut it off, do what ever you think is best for you, and respect the choices of others.

That's my 2 cents worth.

The Commander
DIA

[TrueBeauty TS]

I personally see gender identity and sexual orientation as a sliding scale. While most people fit securely into "male" and "female", regardless of the genitals they are born with, I strongly suspect there are people who fall somewhere in between.

I suspect most people with GID fall clearly into male or female and would definately want to gain or lose a penis, there are probably some who fall in between and while happy to look like the gender they most identify with, would be perfectly happy not going through with the full transformation.

While I will readily admit that my sexual orientation leads me to be attracted to a transsexual who has only gone partway through transition, if I had a life partner who wanted to go all the way through transition, I would totally support them. Fortunately for me, my sexual orientation also leans more toward women, so someone who has gone through transition would be just as pleasing, just in a different way.

To sum up...cut it off or don't cut it off, do what ever you think is best for you, and respect the choices of others.

That's my 2 cents worth.

The Commander
DIA

Um..... Commander?

Are you a TS or a guy?



:?

.

[the commander]

I'm a guy...why do you ask?

The Commander
DIA

[TrueBeauty TS]

I'm a guy...why do you ask?

The Commander
DIA


Because you have the ranking of a "Hot Hung Angel".


LOL



.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I asked him the same question awhile back. Commander is a revert back to..*I think. LOL hence the title. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[TrueBeauty TS]

I asked him the same question awhile back. Commander is a revert back to..*I think. LOL hence the title. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG


Uh....... uh...... wha..... uh.... ok.



:?

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[the commander]

I'm a guy...why do you ask?

The Commander
DIA


Because you have the ranking of a "Hot Hung Angel".


LOL



.

When I first signed up I was more into cross dressing. I'm not into it anymore, but I can't figure out how to change the rating.

Besides...I am hot. :)

The Commander
DIA

[lust4ts]

Just an idea but maybe he should be stripped of the confusing title. Without the intention of trying to sound like an asshole that isn't no angel in that pic, this is one time when I feel I can safely say, that IS a guy!

[drock]

Im very happy with what i have, have always been. I dont plan on having the srs, Its just not for me. When i began my transition if you would of asked me i would of said yes for sure, but that was when i was 17 18,, now that Im older , I am certain its not a step i dont want to take.

:) :) :)

[the commander]

Just an idea but maybe he should be stripped of the confusing title. Without the intention of trying to sound like an asshole that isn't no angel in that pic, this is one time when I feel I can safely say, that IS a guy!

Should we start a petition or something? I'd like to change my title to...The Commander...how many signatures do you think we need?

The Commander
DIA

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Just PM NYCe. He can do that for you. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[lust4ts]

Just an idea but maybe he should be stripped of the confusing title. Without the intention of trying to sound like an asshole that isn't no angel in that pic, this is one time when I feel I can safely say, that IS a guy!

Should we start a petition or something? I'd like to change my title to...The Commander...how many signatures do you think we need?

The Commander
DIA

Here, you have mine lust4ts

I have to admit that has confused me for a while now, thanks Sateness for asking the question and solving the mystery, I can now sleep easy. It just goes to show she has more strings to her bow than pure evil and world domination after all!

[the commander]

Just PM NYCe. He can do that for you. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

Damn...I was looking forward to starting a petition drive. :)

The Commander
DIA

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

no thanks!!!- dialate 2~3 times a day for the rest of my life!?!

zoinks that's gotta suck, and if you forget...then it closes up--Yuck!

AFAIK, it's only that often for a while after surgery, not for your whole life! Normally, it's muuch less but from what I understand sex/masturbation works just fine for keeping things the way you want them. Otherwise you lose depth, making sex harder

Anyone plase feel free to elaborate.

I'd like more info too. My friend just got back from Thailand and she tells me it's for the rest of your life. I guess you could call it "masturbation" if you wanted too, but it's at leats an hour at a time 3 times a day to start, right?

At the minimum it's what...?... a half an hour twice a day once things sort of 'level off' after a year or so. Then you must do that for the rest of your life is how i understand it.

So unless you're gonna want to be having sex twice a day every day for the rest of your days - you have to dialate...granted there are just some days you don't wanna be intimate at all, let alone twice a day.

Kinda takes the awesome outta the whole thing when you find out it's so much less than perfect, and that you're never really finished...I'll keep what I've got left I think (going to the beach is a bitch- but oh well)

[the commander]

Just PM NYCe. He can do that for you. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

Well...half the problem was solved...I asked to be changed to "The Commander" for my ranking...but I guess I don't have quite enough pull around here to accomplish that. *sigh* Maybe in a few hundred more posts.

A boy can dream, right?

The Commander
DIA

[tgirlzoe]

I'd like more info too. My friend just got back from Thailand and she tells me it's for the rest of your life. I guess you could call it "masturbation" if you wanted too, but it's at leats an hour at a time 3 times a day to start, right?

At the minimum it's what...?... a half an hour twice a day once things sort of 'level off' after a year or so. Then you must do that for the rest of your life is how i understand it.

So unless you're gonna want to be having sex twice a day every day for the rest of your days - you have to dialate...granted there are just some days you don't wanna be intimate at all, let alone twice a day.

Kinda takes the awesome outta the whole thing when you find out it's so much less than perfect, and that you're never really finished...I'll keep what I've got left I think (going to the beach is a bitch- but oh well)

Hmmm... I read Chettawut's page (http://www.chet-plasticsurgery.com/Srs_dilatation.html) on it. It sounds intense. As far as long term stuff goes, he says if you have no problems, you can make up your own schedule after a year.

It's kind of messed up but like I said, I can't see playing the same social role of pre-op tgirl in 30 years. I want to move on and just be totally stealth. I liked that when I lived in the dorms at school and stuff but I was terrified that my roommates would walk in on me in the shower or something and find out I had a penis. I think it's more likely a guy will have a serious relationship with a post-op than a pre-op. I want to get married and adopt kids someday. I just think I could move on better if I had SRS.

I need to look at more information and talk to people who had SRS several years ago to find out about long-term care. I was thinking closer to once a week in addition to normal sex/masturbation. Worrying though, isn't it?

[ottorocket]

Im willing to bet all the guys are saying NO!

NOt quite... I support any of you doing what you want to fulfill what your soul desires.

[KiraHarden]

Im willing to bet all the guys are saying NO!

NOt quite... I support any of you doing what you want to fulfill what your soul desires.
To you and all the guys that do support SRS! Thank You
xoxo
Kira

[BBaggins06]

I'm gonna go ahead and admit I voted no, purely because I am not transsexual and therefore SRS for me would be pretty stupid
This poll is not for guys wanting SRS its for Preop Transsexuals.... :?

Flower killer, it doesn't say anywhere in the poll title or in the OP's post that this is a pool for pre-op TS. That's why I voted no. I'm not a TS and happy with what god gave me. :) Mahalo

Matt

[KiraHarden]

I'm gonna go ahead and admit I voted no, purely because I am not transsexual and therefore SRS for me would be pretty stupid
This poll is not for guys wanting SRS its for Preop Transsexuals.... :?

Flower killer, it doesn't say anywhere in the poll title or in the OP's post that this is a pool for pre-op TS. That's why I voted no. I'm not a TS and happy with what god gave me. :) Mahalo

Matt
Well why would she be asking a guy that question about having SRS... This poll is tainted now, we must throw it out. Its not accurate.... Dumb Guys! :lol: :lol:

I didnt kill the roses, I just forgot to feed them...

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

Hmmm... I read Chettawut's page (http://www.chet-plasticsurgery.com/Srs_dilatation.html) on it. It sounds intense. As far as long term stuff goes, he says if you have no problems, you can make up your own schedule after a year.

It's kind of messed up but like I said, I can't see playing the same social role of pre-op tgirl in 30 years. I want to move on and just be totally stealth. I liked that when I lived in the dorms at school and stuff but I was terrified that my roommates would walk in on me in the shower or something and find out I had a penis. I think it's more likely a guy will have a serious relationship with a post-op than a pre-op. I want to get married and adopt kids someday. I just think I could move on better if I had SRS.

I need to look at more information and talk to people who had SRS several years ago to find out about long-term care. I was thinking closer to once a week in addition to normal sex/masturbation. Worrying though, isn't it?

It stands to reason that in certain way- yes having srs would help to move on with your life- but having a Vagina doesn't and wont make you into something you're not. Now, I'm not saying anything about anyone personally, so please don't take it that way- anybody...

my point is that genetailia doesn't define a person. I don't want to have that surgery because it's imperfect. I'm as female as i'll ever be- and whether I tuck it, or it's surgically tucked for me, just wont change who I am. That, plus...

... this occurs to me: if you could keep what you have, and in a perfect world be accepted for just BEING yourself and honored as you deserve, and respected as anoyne else might be- would you get the surgery then?

if so, then by all means proceede........BUT

If you would keep what you have in a perfect world- then don't get the surgery. It's a personal decision everyone of us has to make, but it should be what you want as a person for yourself, not what you think society will want for you just so that you are better accepted.

-much love-

[MacShreach]

Hmmm... I read Chettawut's page (http://www.chet-plasticsurgery.com/Srs_dilatation.html) on it. It sounds intense. As far as long term stuff goes, he says if you have no problems, you can make up your own schedule after a year.

It's kind of messed up but like I said, I can't see playing the same social role of pre-op tgirl in 30 years. I want to move on and just be totally stealth. I liked that when I lived in the dorms at school and stuff but I was terrified that my roommates would walk in on me in the shower or something and find out I had a penis. I think it's more likely a guy will have a serious relationship with a post-op than a pre-op. I want to get married and adopt kids someday. I just think I could move on better if I had SRS.

I need to look at more information and talk to people who had SRS several years ago to find out about long-term care. I was thinking closer to once a week in addition to normal sex/masturbation. Worrying though, isn't it?

It stands to reason that in certain way- yes having srs would help to move on with your life- but having a Vagina doesn't and wont make you into something you're not. Now, I'm not saying anything about anyone personally, so please don't take it that way- anybody...

my point is that genetailia doesn't define a person. I don't want to have that surgery because it's imperfect. I'm as female as i'll ever be- and whether I tuck it, or it's surgically tucked for me, just wont change who I am. That, plus...

... this occurs to me: if you could keep what you have, and in a perfect world be accepted for just BEING yourself and honored as you deserve, and respected as anoyne else might be- would you get the surgery then?

if so, then by all means proceede........BUT

If you would keep what you have in a perfect world- then don't get the surgery. It's a personal decision everyone of us has to make, but it should be what you want as a person for yourself, not what you think society will want for you just so that you are better accepted.

-much love-

:claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps

Excellent post. Thank you for sharing that.

[melissacarter]

No. Here's why:

-everything works perfect down South, don't want to change that
-I'm comfortable with my dick. It's just there, easy to tuck away & easy to take out. It would feel more uncomforable not there
-wouldn't feel any more of a woman with "it" removed
-never felt the desire for SRS, like I do with breast and body development

I have always said my dick doesn't make me any less of a woman.

[Rod la Rod]

No. Here's why:

-everything works perfect down South, don't want to change that
-I'm comfortable with my dick. It's just there, easy to tuck away & easy to take out. It would feel more uncomforable not there
-wouldn't feel any more of a woman with "it" removed
-never felt the desire for SRS, like I do with breast and body development

I have always said my dick doesn't make me any less of a woman.

Speaking of your breasts. They are looking bigger and better! wow! Great avatar. :shock:

[NYTSJulie]

Personally, and I know I will get some shit for this but I dont care.

I dont think a girl should get SRS unless she is passable and has undergone hair removal, proper hormone therapy, ffs and whatever else.

I personally think that hair removal and ffs should be part of the "Standards Of Care" and something you have to complete before SRS.

[Trogdor]

No. Here's why:

-everything works perfect down South, don't want to change that
-I'm comfortable with my dick. It's just there, easy to tuck away & easy to take out. It would feel more uncomforable not there
-wouldn't feel any more of a woman with "it" removed
-never felt the desire for SRS, like I do with breast and body development

I have always said my dick doesn't make me any less of a woman.

And looking quite nice as well there :)

[Rod la Rod]

I agree too but the problem is passabilty is subjective. Let's face most ethnically Anglo/Euro TSs don't pass. Even some who are really sexy and attractive, i.e. Tula, Kelly Van der Veer, Candis Cayne, IMO don't pass completely as GGs especially to the trained eye.
It is only a lucky few Caucasian trannies that pass completely I would say as little as 10%. If truly passing completely was a requirement for SRS there would be many fewer operations.

[NYTSJulie]

I agree too but the problem is passabilty is subjective. Let's face most ethnically Anglo/Euro TSs don't pass. Even some who are really sexy and attractive, i.e. Tula, Kelly Van der Veer, Candis Cayne, IMO don't pass completely as GGs especially to the trained eye.
It is only a lucky few Caucasian trannies that pass completely I would say as little as 10%. If truly passing completely was a requirement for SRS there would be many fewer operations.

Tula is passable

[Dina Delicious]

what is passing?

[Rod la Rod]

Yes, you are right about Tula. I guess she actually did pass, and was a successful model until she was outed.

[Dina Delicious]

what i mean passing is diffrent to everyone
what does it mean to you all?

[NYTSJulie]

what is passing?

I dont mean stealth, when I say pass mean someone who can pull it off to some degree. I have seen 55 yr old men transition and before they get their facial hair removed they fly off to Thailand to get their cock whacked off.

[Dina Delicious]

yes ive seen that too and it aint pretty
lol

[NYTSJulie]

yes ive seen that too and it aint pretty
lol

I heard that

[hondarobot]

I don't think SRS should even be considered until post op capability to still have an orgasm is assured. I don't think anyone would want to go through life without ever having an orgasm again.

I'm sure many post ops possibly have great orgasms. I don't know. I do place that criteria above physical correction, and orgasms are not assured at this point for post op TS.

Not being able to have an orgasm would suck. There is no debating that.

[melissacarter]

Speaking of your breasts. They are looking bigger and better! wow! Great avatar. :shock:


thanks Rod.

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

what i mean passing is diffrent to everyone
what does it mean to you all?

Is it really different to everybody? C'mon, honestly

you know when you pass.

[Dina Delicious]

most if not all post ops that i know orgasm and they all went to the best surgeons

[hondarobot]

I'm not convinced yet. I've looked into it, and I'm sure in most cases that is correct. There is still a risk, though. I don't like that.

[Dina Delicious]

Theres a risk every day you wake up theres a risk in all we do it really is just a personal decision and one you will never have to make <not attacking you>

xo
DD

[Dina Delicious]

ive never heard anything positive about Dr Reed
my very close friend had him as her dr for SRS and it took Dr Meltzer 5 revisions to try to correct his mistake a very sad story but i would stay away from him

DD

[hondarobot]

I still care about what other people do.

I'm just stating my opinion. I really do think most SRS is probably working well at the moment. I don't see any reason why I shouldn't propose others to wait awhile until the procedure is perfected absolutely. I'd be an asshole if I wasn't concerned about that.

[Dina Delicious]

There really are no medical procedures that are perfected or hold some risk its great that you care about people and all but it is not your choice you can propose all you want everyone should and must make there own choices

DD

[NYTSJulie]

I cant stand it when guys say "dont do it!!!!!!".

[hondarobot]

There really are no medical procedures that are perfected or hold some risk its great that you care about people and all but it is not your choice you can propose all you want everyone should and must make there own choices

DD

I agree. I'm kinda a loudmouth at times, though.

:?

[Dina Delicious]

lol me tooo
xo
DD

[NYTSJulie]

lol me tooo
xo
DD

They need to figure out why they want to suck a cock instead of worrying if it get chopped off.

[hondarobot]

lol me tooo
xo
DD

They need to figure out why they want to suck a cock instead of worrying if it get chopped off.

Knock it off, I did not molest her!

:P

[tollroad]

Passable - I look at "passable" as rarely getting spooked. You get called miss and ma'am, and people generally perceive you as female. Basically, no one is shocked or offended that you use the ladies room and womens dressing room. But it doesn't necessarily mean that you weren't getting clocked. I often clock other TS, but I won't publicly spook them. Imo, TS can clock another TS more easily than most people do.

Clockwise, I would say that you're Big Ben.

[tollroad]

Passable - I look at "passable" as rarely getting spooked. You get called miss and ma'am, and people generally perceive you as female. Basically, no one is shocked or offended that you use the ladies room and womens dressing room. But it doesn't necessarily mean that you weren't getting clocked. I often clock other TS, but I won't publicly spook them. Imo, TS can clock another TS more easily than most people do.

Perhaps it should be: "Basically, no one is visibly shocked or offended that you use the ladies room and womens dressing room."

[NYTSJulie]

Passable - I look at "passable" as rarely getting spooked. You get called miss and ma'am, and people generally perceive you as female. Basically, no one is shocked or offended that you use the ladies room and womens dressing room. But it doesn't necessarily mean that you weren't getting clocked. I often clock other TS, but I won't publicly spook them. Imo, TS can clock another TS more easily than most people do.

Perhaps it should be: "Basically, no one is visibly shocked or offended that you use the ladies room and womens dressing room."

That is just uncalled for whats wrong with you

[Trogdor]

I don't think SRS should even be considered until post op capability to still have an orgasm is assured. I don't think anyone would want to go through life without ever having an orgasm again.

I'm sure many post ops possibly have great orgasms. I don't know. I do place that criteria above physical correction, and orgasms are not assured at this point for post op TS.

Not being able to have an orgasm would suck. There is no debating that.

Sounds like half of every familys' relatives XD

[tollroad]

Eat shit and die.

I'm not into that sort of kinky stuff.

[drock]

I cant stand it when guys say "dont do it!!!!!!".

Please don't do it! :)

[drock]

lol me tooo
xo
DD

They need to figure out why they want to suck a cock instead of worrying if it get chopped off.

It's not so much about sucking cock as you say. I've seen some post ops and whatever you want to call it a vagina or a science experiment some of them were like looking at a bad horror flick. I've very rarely seen a post op whose pussy actually look like one and it just makes me wonder why would you want to subject yourself to something like that where chances are you're going to look much worse off than having a dyck down there.

One more question since i'm in here. I've seen a few post ops and very rarely will you ever see them taking any real penetration in their pussy so again what's the point of even doing this if more often than not it's only for show and you're still going to end up getting fucked in the ass?????? :?: :?: :?:

[tollroad]

It's not so much about sucking cock as you say.

For you, I'm sure it is much more about getting reamed up the backside by a dude in a skirt.

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

" That's because many of them have extremely shallow vaginas; especially if they didn't dilate it properly. "

-hey looking on that page from the doctor....it says Dilation is an ongoing process....as in for the rest of your life!!!!

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

wow- can't say...totally outside of my sphere of understanding Nicole- but here's the link to that page (http://www.chet-plasticsurgery.com/Srs_dilatation.html)


the stuff about ongoing dilation is all the way at the bottom.

[drock]

One more question since i'm in here. I've seen a few post ops and very rarely will you ever see them taking any real penetration in their pussy so again what's the point of even doing this if more often than not it's only for show and you're still going to end up getting fucked in the ass?????? :?: :?: :?:That's because many of them have extremely shallow vaginas; especially if they didn't dilate it properly. Aftercare for srs is painful, and many people have bad results because they didn't do the proper aftercare.


humm extremely shallow vaginaas. thanks, I didn't know that aftercare had any contributing factors on how well one would be able to use them or as you said dialating it.

[KiraHarden]

Passable - I look at "passable" as rarely getting spooked. You get called miss and ma'am, and people generally perceive you as female. Basically, no one is shocked or offended that you use the ladies room and womens dressing room. But it doesn't necessarily mean that you weren't getting clocked. I often clock other TS, but I won't publicly spook them. Imo, TS can clock another TS more easily than most people do.

Clockwise, I would say that you're Big Ben.
You are just another piece of shit waiting to get flushed. Post your pic Mr/Mrs Beautiful thing.

[Trogdor]

wow- can't say...totally outside of my sphere of understanding Nicole- but here's the link to that page (http://www.chet-plasticsurgery.com/Srs_dilatation.html)


the stuff about ongoing dilation is all the way at the bottom.Hmmm. I don't know if that's a poorly-worded disclaimer or the literal aftercare. But my friend had colon transposition vaginoplasty some years ago, and I don't think she's still dilating. If she is, she doesn't talk about it.

Colon transposition vaginoplasty? Mind explaining that a bit more?

Sounds like to me that bits of one's intestines were used.... :?

[MacShreach]

Colon transposition vaginoplasty? Mind explaining that a bit more?

Sounds like to me that bits of one's intestines were used.... :?

That is....um..more or less true. Peggygee has posted a lot on this Trog, see if a search pulls it up.

The thing to remember is that although SRS has been practised for over 50 years, it is still evolving and improving.

[tgirlzoe]

It stands to reason that in certain way- yes having srs would help to move on with your life- but having a Vagina doesn't and wont make you into something you're not. Now, I'm not saying anything about anyone personally, so please don't take it that way- anybody...

my point is that genetailia doesn't define a person. I don't want to have that surgery because it's imperfect. I'm as female as i'll ever be- and whether I tuck it, or it's surgically tucked for me, just wont change who I am. That, plus...

... this occurs to me: if you could keep what you have, and in a perfect world be accepted for just BEING yourself and honored as you deserve, and respected as anoyne else might be- would you get the surgery then?

if so, then by all means proceede........BUT

If you would keep what you have in a perfect world- then don't get the surgery. It's a personal decision everyone of us has to make, but it should be what you want as a person for yourself, not what you think society will want for you just so that you are better accepted.

-much love-

There are two "perfect world" scenarios I can think of. The first is if I had just been born female in the first place. I struggled with the reality of the "trapped in a male body" cliche during elementary school. Then, around age 10, I learned about homosexuality and that people like me were called "gay". Thus began another struggle for a few years.

When I was 16, I did serious reasearch on transsexuality. I guess the question is: did I want to transition because I had always thought of myself as a girl or because I couldn't deal with social negativity around being gay? Would a perfect world be one in which I would never transition because being an androgynous fem gay boy was accepted?

I like my social life much better now that I am living as a girl. When I decide to have SRS, my life will again change radically. I like the changes, I like being accepted. You could theorize about a "perfect world" in which genitaliia weren't relevant. This is real life/

[tgirlzoe]

Personally, and I know I will get some shit for this but I dont care.

I dont think a girl should get SRS unless she is passable and has undergone hair removal, proper hormone therapy, ffs and whatever else.

I personally think that hair removal and ffs should be part of the "Standards Of Care" and something you have to complete before SRS.

While I would say that passing well all the time is a strong recommendation, I wouldn't want to see it required. I've visited a couple of TS support groups and most of the people there will never pass. Maybe with a bunch of plastic surgery but then there's the voice and the whole way they act and relate to the world which is very male. Who am I to say that they should never have it? Their therapist is going to talk with them about their emotional health. Some of those people are post-op, but penis or vagina, I never want to see them naked.

As for FFS, I've never had any plastic surgery and while I'm not winning any beauty pagents, I pass just fine and have for most of the time I've been trying to pass. I was stealth before I was 1yr HRT! When I went to University, I moved into the girls' dorm and no one treated me weird. This was even before any laser. Medical procedures are not required to pass.

On the other hand, they are nice. I had one laser treatment last year and two more this year. I'll probably have one next month. I will continue until I'm done. However, now that I've discovered laser and how nice it is, I might do my legs and will probably clean up downstairs with it so that I never get prickly or ingrown.

As far as plastic surgery goes, I want a trache shave for my own peace of mind (side note: who was it that does it under the chin?), although it's not very noticeable. Anything more than that is for my own vanity. If I had unlimited resources, I'd pop over to Dr. Z/Dr. O and get all tweaked out ~ shave my brow, minimize my chin, shrink my nose, reshape my jaw line. Perhaps I'd even go for small breast implants. But that's all theoretical, I'll probably never do all that.

Yet SRS is important to me. I had been thinking about getting an orchi soon but on the other hand I don't want to waste money and material. I might as well wait until SRS, then I won't have to worry about not being able to get it up again post-orchi. Aside from laser, which is rather trivial, SRS is next on my list. I don't feel that's unreasonable.

You don't have to be a beauty queen to be normal.

[Rod la Rod]

Personally, and I know I will get some shit for this but I dont care.

I dont think a girl should get SRS unless she is passable and has undergone hair removal, proper hormone therapy, ffs and whatever else.

I personally think that hair removal and ffs should be part of the "Standards Of Care" and something you have to complete before SRS.

While I would say that passing well all the time is a strong recommendation, I wouldn't want to see it required. I've visited a couple of TS support groups and most of the people there will never pass. Maybe with a bunch of plastic surgery but then there's the voice and the whole way they act and relate to the world which is very male. Who am I to say that they should never have it? Their therapist is going to talk with them about their emotional health. Some of those people are post-op, but penis or vagina, I never want to see them naked.

As for FFS, I've never had any plastic surgery and while I'm not winning any beauty pagents, I pass just fine and have for most of the time I've been trying to pass. I was stealth before I was 1yr HRT! When I went to University, I moved into the girls' dorm and no one treated me weird. This was even before any laser. Medical procedures are not required to pass.

On the other hand, they are nice. I had one laser treatment last year and two more this year. I'll probably have one next month. I will continue until I'm done. However, now that I've discovered laser and how nice it is, I might do my legs and will probably clean up downstairs with it so that I never get prickly or ingrown.

As far as plastic surgery goes, I want a trache shave for my own peace of mind (side note: who was it that does it under the chin?), although it's not very noticeable. Anything more than that is for my own vanity. If I had unlimited resources, I'd pop over to Dr. Z/Dr. O and get all tweaked out ~ shave my brow, minimize my chin, shrink my nose, reshape my jaw line. Perhaps I'd even go for small breast implants. But that's all theoretical, I'll probably never do all that.

Yet SRS is important to me. I had been thinking about getting an orchi soon but on the other hand I don't want to waste money and material. I might as well wait until SRS, then I won't have to worry about not being able to get it up again post-orchi. Aside from laser, which is rather trivial, SRS is next on my list. I don't feel that's unreasonable.

You don't have to be a beauty queen to be normal.

I think it is actually much harder to pass all the time if you are super attractive. Super hot model types are under constant scrutiny and are noticed much more,( in a positive way), especially by men.
More average looking women are just not noticed as much. Therefore they have an easier time blending in and not being bothered.

[MacShreach]

I think it is actually much harder to pass all the time if you are super attractive. Super hot model types are under constant scrutiny and are noticed much more,( in a positive way), especially by men.
More average looking women are just not noticed as much. Therefore they have an easier time blending in and not being bothered.

I think that's generally true but there are so many other things. For example size. Plain girls get noticed less than supermodels, but 5'5 girls get noticed less than 5'10 girls....and so on and so on.....The other thing is movement. TS women have to be so aware of their movements, it's a real giveaway.....

[blackrob]

lol me tooo
xo
DD

They need to figure out why they want to suck a cock instead of worrying if it get chopped off.

It's not so much about sucking cock as you say. I've seen some post ops and whatever you want to call it a vagina or a science experiment some of them were like looking at a bad horror flick. I've very rarely seen a post op whose pussy actually look like one and it just makes me wonder why would you want to subject yourself to something like that where chances are you're going to look much worse off than having a dyck down there.

One more question since i'm in here. I've seen a few post ops and very rarely will you ever see them taking any real penetration in their pussy so again what's the point of even doing this if more often than not it's only for show and you're still going to end up getting fucked in the ass?????? :?: :?: :?:

exactly I don't understand it.

[tgirlzoe]

I think it is actually much harder to pass all the time if you are super attractive. Super hot model types are under constant scrutiny and are noticed much more,( in a positive way), especially by men.
More average looking women are just not noticed as much. Therefore they have an easier time blending in and not being bothered.

I guess it would matter where in the country/world you live. I couldn't imagine some LA beach babe living in my town and I'm sure I'd be completely ignored in LA. Likewise, the guys I date aren't fugly but neither are they appearing on the 2008 fireman's calendar :)

It's not that I want to be ignored by men. I quite like the attentions of (attractive) men. Maybe if I was rich, talented and beautiful, I'd be able to trap some gorgeous hunk of a husband but chances of that are slim. I guess if a guy is interested in me, he must not be too shallow, right? :/

[LTR_Seeker]

The Doc from the ladies i talked with in past they love the most is from montreal i dont remember his name so just look him up lol

[NYTSJulie]

Personally, and I know I will get some shit for this but I dont care.

I dont think a girl should get SRS unless she is passable and has undergone hair removal, proper hormone therapy, ffs and whatever else.

I personally think that hair removal and ffs should be part of the "Standards Of Care" and something you have to complete before SRS.

While I would say that passing well all the time is a strong recommendation, I wouldn't want to see it required. I've visited a couple of TS support groups and most of the people there will never pass. Maybe with a bunch of plastic surgery but then there's the voice and the whole way they act and relate to the world which is very male. Who am I to say that they should never have it? Their therapist is going to talk with them about their emotional health. Some of those people are post-op, but penis or vagina, I never want to see them naked.

As for FFS, I've never had any plastic surgery and while I'm not winning any beauty pagents, I pass just fine and have for most of the time I've been trying to pass. I was stealth before I was 1yr HRT! When I went to University, I moved into the girls' dorm and no one treated me weird. This was even before any laser. Medical procedures are not required to pass.

On the other hand, they are nice. I had one laser treatment last year and two more this year. I'll probably have one next month. I will continue until I'm done. However, now that I've discovered laser and how nice it is, I might do my legs and will probably clean up downstairs with it so that I never get prickly or ingrown.

As far as plastic surgery goes, I want a trache shave for my own peace of mind (side note: who was it that does it under the chin?), although it's not very noticeable. Anything more than that is for my own vanity. If I had unlimited resources, I'd pop over to Dr. Z/Dr. O and get all tweaked out ~ shave my brow, minimize my chin, shrink my nose, reshape my jaw line. Perhaps I'd even go for small breast implants. But that's all theoretical, I'll probably never do all that.

Yet SRS is important to me. I had been thinking about getting an orchi soon but on the other hand I don't want to waste money and material. I might as well wait until SRS, then I won't have to worry about not being able to get it up again post-orchi. Aside from laser, which is rather trivial, SRS is next on my list. I don't feel that's unreasonable.

You don't have to be a beauty queen to be normal.

I think it is actually much harder to pass all the time if you are super attractive. Super hot model types are under constant scrutiny and are noticed much more,( in a positive way), especially by men.
More average looking women are just not noticed as much. Therefore they have an easier time blending in and not being bothered.

I wear no makeup on most days, not to blend in but because I am not looking for attention during my daily activities. I still get hit on but when you dress covered up and not all out there it says "I am not interested". Then when you wear a half top , tits, legs and tight clothing it says "please look at me, I want attention". Honestly I dont want to be hit on when I am standing in line at 7-11, I just want to be left alone.

[NYTSJulie]

Personally, and I know I will get some shit for this but I dont care.

I dont think a girl should get SRS unless she is passable and has undergone hair removal, proper hormone therapy, ffs and whatever else.

I personally think that hair removal and ffs should be part of the "Standards Of Care" and something you have to complete before SRS.

I was stealth before I was 1yr HRT! When I went to University, I moved into the girls' dorm and no one treated me weird. This was even before any laser.

Being stealth and being full-time are 2 very different things

[LTR_Seeker]

i like women who get srs its just natural progression of the women nature in your dna every guy shopud be happy as hell the women here want srs & be complete it wll expose the phonys who likes the women for their *package* only

[tgirlzoe]

I was stealth before I was 1yr HRT! When I went to University, I moved into the girls' dorm and no one treated me weird. This was even before any laser.

Being stealth and being full-time are 2 very different things

I guess you're right but you never know if other people read you or not. Stealth, to me, is that people naturally assume you are female, you don't discuss the fact that you're TS and it's not well-known that you are.

As for the dorm situation, I just marked "female" and neither Housing nor my roommates said a word about it. We hung out and smoked pot and stuff together and talked, we weren't too close though. I'm just saying, I lived with three girls who assumed, to the best of my knowledge, that I was like them. I figured that if one of them had figured me out, they would have said something to me or to the school at some point that year. If I was them, I would have.

My point is simply that you don't have to get plastic surgery to look like a model in order to pass or be stealth. Saying it should be required for SRS is silly. Most girls I have met in person or online who transitioned before they were 20 pass fine (although a couple have had implants at 17...). Many yoing TS get plastic surgery but so do many GGs ~ we are our own worst critics. It's a vanity issue, not a daily life issue.

[callahac]

Yes... I already got my golden ticket. Probably within 1-3 years unless I am pursuaded otherwise.

That's cool Vicki. Hopefully over the years my buying of your DVDs in a small way helped you get the money to do this.

I am open on HA about my desire for cock- I'm not ashamed of it, it is who I am. So please do me a favor-before you go ahead with SRS can you make one more DVD so I can see you beautiful cock one last time.

Thanks,
Chris

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

It stands to reason that in certain way- yes having srs would help to move on with your life- but having a Vagina doesn't and wont make you into something you're not. Now, I'm not saying anything about anyone personally, so please don't take it that way- anybody...

my point is that genetailia doesn't define a person. I don't want to have that surgery because it's imperfect. I'm as female as i'll ever be- and whether I tuck it, or it's surgically tucked for me, just wont change who I am. That, plus...

... this occurs to me: if you could keep what you have, and in a perfect world be accepted for just BEING yourself and honored as you deserve, and respected as anoyne else might be- would you get the surgery then?

if so, then by all means proceede........BUT

If you would keep what you have in a perfect world- then don't get the surgery. It's a personal decision everyone of us has to make, but it should be what you want as a person for yourself, not what you think society will want for you just so that you are better accepted.

-much love-

There are two "perfect world" scenarios I can think of. The first is if I had just been born female in the first place. I struggled with the reality of the "trapped in a male body" cliche during elementary school. Then, around age 10, I learned about homosexuality and that people like me were called "gay". Thus began another struggle for a few years.

When I was 16, I did serious reasearch on transsexuality. I guess the question is: did I want to transition because I had always thought of myself as a girl or because I couldn't deal with social negativity around being gay? Would a perfect world be one in which I would never transition because being an androgynous fem gay boy was accepted?

I like my social life much better now that I am living as a girl. When I decide to have SRS, my life will again change radically. I like the changes, I like being accepted. You could theorize about a "perfect world" in which genitaliia weren't relevant. This is real life/

Yes, i know it is the real world- my point was however that you decide what is right for you in your heart of hearts, without concern for the world around you. If you want SRS great, but know it wont make you anything more or less than you already are.

In other words you will still be living "as a girl" because that will just change one physical characteristic. And I understand how you like being accepted by others - we all long for understanding and companionship and acceptance- but do you yet accept yourself? or...are you hoping SRS will be some amazingly magical salve that would heal you inside?

I ask only to present the questions for you to consider, not as an attack, but as food for thought...you don't have to respond these are very personal issues and I wish you all the best.

[KiraHarden]

I know this is accurate now 24 yes and 24 no votes, Must be all TS females voting..

[MrsKellyPierce]

Omg Julie I have always felt that way. I have always told that to girls when I did activist work. I say "Worry about your top first, do your bottom last." You need those things to function as a woman. See how it is to be treated as a woman in public, on dates, in life in general. To make such a big step on the downstairs part, cause once it's done. It's done. You can't go back. The over all goal is to be a woman, am I wrong? Not to just have a "vagina" If you look like Fred Flinstone in a wig and you are on a busy street say in New York, you can scream all day I have a vagina, you are still going to be clocked, referred to, and treated like a man. Sorry but the world works at face value. Rather people want to admit it or not.

I am utterly shocked when girls that haven't even lived a full year as a woman go over to Thailand and get srs. They have no idea what it's like to be a woman, what goes into it, what it's like to live your life as one. Work as one, date as one, live as one in general. How can you say thats a woman? To me it's someone thats just disgusted with their downstairs, isn't emotionally stable in their woman hood and just had srs. It's just shocking, and then they complain later about their mistake etc.

[KiraHarden]

I know this is accurate now 24 yes and 24 no votes, Must be all TS females voting..

:lol: I'm happy to say that I wasn't one of the 24 No votes. It's too personal a decision for anyone other than the girl in question to decide, after much soul searching. Whatever she decides, whether she chooses SRS or no SRS, should be supported because it's her life after all.
I think the cats are are all over the fishheads again :roll:

[sdman]

I don't like post ops so i'm aganist women getting SRS.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Omg Julie I have always felt that way. I have always told that to girls when I did activist work. I say "Worry about your top first, do your bottom last." You need those things to function as a woman. See how it is to be treated as a woman in public, on dates, in life in general. To make such a big step on the downstairs part, cause once it's done. It's done. You can't go back. The over all goal is to be a woman, am I wrong? Not to just have a "vagina" If you look like Fred Flinstone in a wig and you are on a busy street say in New York, you can scream all day I have a vagina, you are still going to be clocked, referred to, and treated like a man. Sorry but the world works at face value. Rather people want to admit it or not.

I am utterly shocked when girls that haven't even lived a full year as a woman go over to Thailand and get srs. They have no idea what it's like to be a woman, what goes into it, what it's like to live your life as one. Work as one, date as one, live as one in general. How can you say thats a woman? To me it's someone thats just disgusted with their downstairs, isn't emotionally stable in their woman hood and just had srs. It's just shocking, and then they complain later about their mistake etc.LOL - Very tue. SRS is the LAST surgery I'll get, if I ever get it at all. Mine too!!

[peggygee]

Alot of interesting responses from the women as well as the men.

There is also a fair amount of misinformation being put forth.

1. You will not have to dilate twice daily for the rest of your life.

2. A very high percentage of post operative women are orgasmic.

3. Contrary to what you see / read /or hear on porn based web sites
you may not be obtaining accurate information.

As time permits I will submit additonal material on this, or anyone truly
interested in GRS, it's logistics and ramifications can do a search on my
posts on the topic. (http://www.hungangels.com/board/search.php?mode=results)

Though at this juncture I will say that I am a socially fuctioning,
assimilitated into the mainstream, gainfully employed woman, who is
quite content with the various areas of her life.

As regards my vagina and my surgical results: The apearance of my
vagina is comparable to that of any natal female. There are no major or
discernible scars. I have good depth and my vagina is far from shallow.

I am orgasmic.

Bottom line, I was a well adjusted woman prior to having the GRS, and
went into it with realistic expectation, thus I didn't anticipate it to
magically make my life something out of a fairy tale.

GRS isn't for everyone, it may or may not be be right for you.

It was and is right for me.


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[NYTSJulie]

My best friend is a post-op. She and I are more then close, she is like my family. I stayed with her for a month after she had SRS. She went to Menard in Canada.

At first it looked brutal. I picked up up at the airport and in the car I asked her "how does it look" she was all drugged up on meds and right there she lifted her skirt to show me. I wont go into details but I almost lost my lunch. We had a 5 hour car ride I had to pull over at one point so she could dilate in the passenger seat. My stomach couldn't take it so I got out the car to have a cig.

Over the month she started with very small dilators and had to dilate a few times a day, 4 times at first if I remember correctly. The swelling and bruising went down over time.

Today she can fit 7 inches, I know this because I have been in the same room while she has been dilating and she has the stent marked. She is also can orgasm, I dont know this first hand lol but she tell me everything good and bad so I take her word on it lol.

The only minor although correctable flaw is that her labia is large, and I have seen that before with other one step procedures.

[peggygee]

At first it looked brutal. I picked up up at the airport and in the car I asked her "how does it look" she was all drugged up on meds and right there she lifted her skirt to show me. I wont go into details but I almost lost my lunch. We had a 5 hour car ride I had to pull over at one point so she could dilate in the passenger seat. My stomach couldn't take it so I got out the car to have a cig.

Over the month she started with very small dilators and had to dilate a few times a day, 4 times at first if I remember correctly. The swelling and bruising went down over time.

Today she can fit 7 inches, I know this because I have been in the same room while she has been dilating and she has the stent marked. She is also can orgasm, I dont know this first hand lol but she tell me everything good and bad so I take her word on it lol.

The only minor although correctable flaw is that her labia is large, and I have seen that before with other one step procedures.

I've had a number of surgeries and injuries, so I know all too well what a
fresh wound looks like, and also the body's amazing ability to heal itself.

When I first saw my vagina, it looked like alot of the photos we see on this
site. You can see the sutures, it is inflamed, and it looks very fragile.

As you heal the inflamation and swelling goes down. The scarring subsides
the suture lines diminish, etc.

Initially I used 4% hydroquinone cream, cocoa butter, to diminish the.
scarrng.

Then and now I use vaginal Premarin cream both for my HRT regimen
and to keep my vagina supple.

In terms of dilating, basically I masturbate if I am not in a relationship and
having regular sex.

I enjoy masturbating, it's my 'me time' so it's not a chore. In weeks that
I am very busy with work and don't get to have 'quality time' with myself
my vagina doesn't shrink and close up.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Personally, and I know I will get some shit for this but I dont care.

I dont think a girl should get SRS unless she is passable and has undergone hair removal, proper hormone therapy, ffs and whatever else.

I personally think that hair removal and ffs should be part of the "Standards Of Care" and something you have to complete before SRS.

Agreed

[BrendaQG]

I agree with Julie. I hear that back 70's 80's psychologist would weed out people based on looks. Even Harry Benjamin did that

The way things are going... it looks to me like the SOC's will be done away with. Powerful members of the transgendered community are working hard to make that so. It is evident that they do not represent most of us here.

[BBaggins06]

I cant stand it when guys say "dont do it!!!!!!".


DON'T DO IT!!!!!!

I'm of course referring to your nicotine delivery system. :) Mahalo

Matt

[MacShreach]

DON'T DO IT!!!!!!

I'm of course referring to your nicotine delivery system. :) Mahalo

Matt

Now that I agree with. Lay off the cancer-sticks girls, not only do they fuck up your health they fuck up your skin too.

[KiraHarden]

DON'T DO IT!!!!!!

I'm of course referring to your nicotine delivery system. :) Mahalo

Matt

Now that I agree with. Lay off the cancer-sticks girls, not only do they fuck up your health they fuck up your skin too.
Ive never smoked, Thank god! Thats the worst drug to kick the habit.

[tgirlzoe]

I agree with Julie. I hear that back 70's 80's psychologist would weed out people based on looks. Even Harry Benjamin did that

The way things are going... it looks to me like the SOC's will be done away with. Powerful members of the transgendered community are working hard to make that so. It is evident that they do not represent most of us here.

Good.

The primary purpose of the SOC is to keep doctors and surgeons from getting sued by regretful transsexuals. As far as I am concerned TS is not a birth defect nor a mental disorder and transition steps - legal, hormonal or surgical - should have nothing to do with psychotherapy.

IMHO.

[Miss Aeryn]

*blows the dust off this thread*

gods hella fucking yes

*gently lays dust over it to cover tracks*