Fucking hypocites...Why do you thrive on berating fantasies?

[ARMANIXXX]

You don't say.....Lots of guys here like cocks on their TS's???!!!??? :shock:


Why does it bother you people so much?


I think it's totally ridiculous to talk shit about the fantasies of someone on a fucking porn site. HA. Not just a porn site mind you, but a TRANSSEXUAL web site at that.

So said guy wants to live out his fantasies about having a big ass, big titty'd girl putting her big 10 incher up his ass. Maybe he even wants more debauchery with himself gettin dick slapped, cummed on, piss on.........the works. So what. That in itself doesn't make him gay....what it makes.....it makes HIS fantasy.

You hypocrites have nerve, as if you putting your p33n in someones RECTUM makes you less gay.

And the girls on this site come off even worse. You would think a TS girl would know better, considering that, SURPRISE......you were born a man.


I don't claim to have the HOLY GRAIL answer as to what really makes someone gay or not, especially since the definition seems to change every few years, but I will privy this, None of you here, myself included, have it either.

[Night Rider]

where I'm from, a cock up your ass cancels out you being straight

[idiot savant]

Here we go,the Bottom Brigade strike back.

[ARMANIXXX]

where I'm from, a cock up your ass cancels out you being straight

__________________________________________________ ______________



:?




Where I'm from, and for the most part, most everone here is from, AMERICA.....fucking around with anything born a man cancels you out.

[lazyman]

It is getting a bit ridiculous from both sides.

On the one hand we have "Team Straight", insisting that cocks are irrelevant to their attraction to TSs and seemingly increasingly desperate to label as a "fag" anyone interested in them, probably through terror of being mistaken for one themselves.

On the other hand, "Team Cock" now seem to be increasingly denying that anyone could be interested in TSs without being a cock freak. They are in danger of becoming a "gay Borg", implying that any HA patron who doesn't admit wanting to take it up the ass from a shemale is just in denial and can't really have straight or masculine attributes.

Seems like both sides are very insecure about their identities and need to label the others in order to reinforce their own self-image. The top guys are trying to re-draw the sexual orientation axis in order to keep themselves on the right side of it, while the bottoms are laying claim to the soul of all tranny fans and imposing a cockhound identity on them.

For the record I fall entirely into the "top" camp (never bottomed, never wanted to, not interested in having anything to do with the girl's cock but simply aroused by the absence of vagina), but I don't feel the need to insult the bottom guys or label them as gay. Nor do I try and comfort myself by vigorously asserting a straight identity - I am perfectly willing to acknowledge that my taste for TS takes me outside the boundaries of normality for that orientation.

I don't judge the cock-fans, in return I don't want them demanding that I "admit" sharing their tastes.

Let's all just stop fussing about what OTHER PEOPLE are into and get on with consuming what WE are into.

[d]

lol at people on this site thinking cuz they dont bottom they're considered straight....yeah go post that shit up on ANY other site and see what they say....the fact that we're even on a site named hungangels, nobody on here should be calling anybody fag...no tgirl...no guy...nobody....cuz in the words of ice cube "here's what they think about you"....i mean whatever you need to make it easier to look urself in the mirror but i have more respect for a person who's honest about his business on this site than somebody who attempts to throw the next guy under the bus in order to feel better about his own sexual issues....

[ARMANIXXX]

Here we go,the Bottom Brigade strike back.


Last reply before work,

I am not a bottom.....certainly not exclusively.

I've done both, and, as a piece of personal info., I've recently found out that I like "topping" more.


But I definitively defend the right for people to have their fantasies and NOT be made to feel bad about it, on a goddamn TRANSSEXUAL porn site.


If they are in fact faggots, then pretty much everyone else here is too.....some even more so.

[Night Rider]

where I'm from, a cock up your ass cancels out you being straight

__________________________________________________ ______________



:?




Where I'm from, and for the most part, most everone here is from, AMERICA.....fucking around with anything born a man cancels you out.

So are you trying to tell us all the girls here are men?


do a poll outside HA and ask "does getting a big cock penetrating my anus make mean I'm straight?"

tell us how the results go

[lazyman]

what's confusing? do a poll outside HA and ask "does getting a big cock penetrating my anus make mean I'm straight?"

tell us how the results go

I'm sure the results would be an overwhelming "no".

However, conduct a poll asking "does sticking my cock in the anus of someone possessing a cock of their own mean I'm straight?", and you'll probably get a similar outcome.

I can see where you're coming from though, as there isn't really a word to describe guys who like TSs in the same way that we like GGs. But I don't think we can pretend we're somehow inside the zone of normal straightness that the bottom tranny-fans are outside.

[thx1138]

@ armaniixxx: cosign. See badazz for my post on the economic implications of being unwilling to cater to whatever clients want.

[ottorocket]

First of all, anal penetration is not necessarily gay sex unless the people having it are homosexuals. Secondly, there are people who would say that if you're a guy having sex with ANYONE with a penis. you're gay. So sanctimonious strict tops count as homos in their book, and so do pre-ops.

Everyone should just fuck who they want, how they want, and stop making judgments about what other people do for fun. If someone's sexuality is not your cup of tea, go explore your own and stfu. The world obviously needs a lot more fucking so peoples' sexual frustrations aren't manifested in the form of petty bullshit in their daily lives. We, the people who get laid and know how we like it, are sick of you assholes.

+1

[NYCe]

lol at people on this site thinking cuz they dont bottom they're considered straight....yeah go post that shit up on ANY other site and see what they say....the fact that we're even on a site named hungangels, nobody on here should be calling anybody fag...no tgirl...no guy...nobody....cuz in the words of ice cube "here's what they think about you"....i mean whatever you need to make it easier to look urself in the mirror but i have more respect for a person who's honest about his business on this site than somebody who attempts to throw the next guy under the bus in order to feel better about his own sexual issues....

You have been here since 2003. You should already know how it goes.
HungAngels = The Allegory of the Cave

[Mr_Choc69]

First of all, anal penetration is not necessarily gay sex unless the people having it are homosexuals. Secondly, there are people who would say that if you're a guy having sex with ANYONE with a penis. you're gay. So sanctimonious strict tops count as homos in their book, and so do pre-ops.

Everyone should just fuck who they want, how they want, and stop making judgments about what other people do for fun. If someone's sexuality is not your cup of tea, go explore your own and stfu. The world obviously needs a lot more fucking so peoples' sexual frustrations aren't manifested in the form of petty bullshit in their daily lives. We, the people who get laid and know how we like it, are sick of you assholes.

Agreed

[Night Rider]

I don't think we can pretend we're somehow inside the zone of normal straightness that the bottom tranny-fans are outside.

I think there's a huge difference between bottoms and tops. I can't say I give a fuck what anyone here prefers, although it's funny to wind them up from time.

I know people that don't understand transsexuals describe them as male, but we all know that they're not, but having a cock up your ass is taking things too far.......certified fag

[lazyman]

lol at people on this site thinking cuz they dont bottom they're considered straight....yeah go post that shit up on ANY other site and see what they say....the fact that we're even on a site named hungangels, nobody on here should be calling anybody fag...no tgirl...no guy...nobody....cuz in the words of ice cube "here's what they think about you"....i mean whatever you need to make it easier to look urself in the mirror but i have more respect for a person who's honest about his business on this site than somebody who attempts to throw the next guy under the bus in order to feel better about his own sexual issues....

Agreed, but this is coming from BOTH SIDES. The "strict tops" like myself need to stop passing judgement on the bottoms and realise that we ourselves are outside the normal range of straight sexuality. BUT, at the same time, the bottoms need to cut the pseudo-psychological crap they throw at us, claiming that we just like cock and want it dressed in a frock so we don't have to confront our inner gayness.

[Night Rider]

First of all, anal penetration is not necessarily gay sex unless the people having it are homosexuals.

It's gay unless it's a strap-on....then it's just weird.

[BADAZZBODY]

ITS ALL A MATTER OF PERSONAL OPINION WHEN IT COMES TO THE TERM GAY OR STRAIGHT AND NO IF U LIKE IT UP THE ASS DOESNT MEAN YOUR GAY TO ME THATS MY OPINION..BUT IF CLEARLY ARE HAVING SEX WITH SOMEONE OF THE SAME SEX WITH THE SAME ORGAN AS U THEN ITS GAY / OR HOMO SEXUAL..ASK ANY ONE.. NOW IF YOUR PREFERENCE IS TRANSSEXUAL RATHER THAN HAVING SEX WITH A STAIGHT UP DUDE..OR U ARE A TOTAL TOP THAT DONT EXCLUDE U FROM BEING A HOMOSEXUAL ITS JUST YOUR PREFERENCE..MOST GUY VIEW TS AS WOMAN WHICH U SHOULD CAUSE THATS WHAT WE ARE..BUT WE DO HAVE A DICKS SO IN REALITY ITS STILL HOMOSEXUAL REGARDLESS NO MATTER HOW ITS SUGAR COATED...ITS JUST A PREFERENCES. IF A STAIGHT DUDE LETS HIS GG FUK HIM WITH A DILDO NO HE IS NOT GAY/ BUT IF THAT SAME GUY TAKES IT FROM A TS ..WHAT THAT MAKES HIM..

BEING GAY/ HAVING HOMOSEXUAL TENDANCIES IS NOT A BAD THING ONCE PEOPLE GET OVA IT AND STOP BEING IN DENIAL ABOUT IT AND MAKING UP THIS REASON AND THAT REASON FOR STATING IM STRAIGHT ..ITS A MATTER OF BEING SECURE WITH WHAT U ARE..ITS JUST ALOT OF MEN YELLING IM STRAIGHT..JUST SAY U ARE BI AND BUT DONT LIKE MEN U PREFER AND OCCASIONAL TS ..ALL THIS DENIAL SPEW ALOT OF FRUSTRATION PEOPLE GONNA JUDGE U REGARDLESS ..

THATS Y I SAY TS ARE SOME STRONG BYTCHES CAUSE WE HAVE DEVELOPED A BACK BONE FOR ALL THIS JUDGING AND ALOT OF TS ADMIRES JUST HAVE NOT..THATS Y THEY LASH OUT WHEN THEY ARE FACED WITH THE REALITY OF THEIR DESIRES...JUST GOT TO BE SECURE WITH YOUR SELF AND HAPPY WITH WTHAT U ARE AND WHAT U LIKE AND THATS THAT

[BADAZZBODY]

ITS ALL A MATTER OF PERSONAL OPINION WHEN IT COMES TO THE TERM GAY OR STRAIGHT AND NO IF U LIKE IT UP THE ASS DOESNT MEAN YOUR GAY TO ME THATS MY OPINION..BUT IF CLEARLY ARE HAVING SEX WITH SOMEONE OF THE SAME SEX WITH THE SAME ORGAN AS U THEN ITS GAY / OR HOMO SEXUAL..ASK ANY ONE.. NOW IF YOUR PREFERENCE IS TRANSSEXUAL RATHER THAN HAVING SEX WITH A STAIGHT UP DUDE..OR U ARE A TOTAL TOP THAT DONT EXCLUDE U FROM BEING A HOMOSEXUAL ITS JUST YOUR PREFERENCE..MOST GUY VIEW TS AS WOMAN WHICH U SHOULD CAUSE THATS WHAT WE ARE..BUT WE DO HAVE A DICKS SO IN REALITY ITS STILL HOMOSEXUAL REGARDLESS NO MATTER HOW ITS SUGAR COATED...ITS JUST A PREFERENCES. IF A STAIGHT DUDE LETS HIS GG FUK HIM WITH A DILDO NO HE IS NOT GAY/ BUT IF THAT SAME GUY TAKES IT FROM A TS ..WHAT THAT MAKES HIM..

BEING GAY/ HAVING HOMOSEXUAL TENDANCIES IS NOT A BAD THING ONCE PEOPLE GET OVA IT AND STOP BEING IN DENIAL ABOUT IT AND MAKING UP THIS REASON AND THAT REASON FOR STATING IM STRAIGHT ..ITS A MATTER OF BEING SECURE WITH WHAT U ARE..ITS JUST ALOT OF MEN YELLING IM STRAIGHT..JUST SAY U ARE BI AND BUT DONT LIKE MEN U PREFER AND OCCASIONAL TS ..ALL THIS DENIAL SPEW ALOT OF FRUSTRATION PEOPLE GONNA JUDGE U REGARDLESS ..

THATS Y I SAY TS ARE SOME STRONG BYTCHES CAUSE WE HAVE DEVELOPED A BACK BONE FOR ALL THIS JUDGING AND ALOT OF TS ADMIRES JUST HAVE NOT..THATS Y THEY LASH OUT WHEN THEY ARE FACED WITH THE REALITY OF THEIR DESIRES...JUST GOT TO BE SECURE WITH YOUR SELF AND HAPPY WITH WTHAT U ARE AND WHAT U LIKE AND THATS THATWell, I don't agree that diick+ass=gay, but the rest of what you said is right on the money imo. I think sexual attraction and sexual intercourse are not quite the same. But if I am technically "gay"? Fuck it, people can label me gay. That's their T, not mine. But watching two men get it on makes me ill and always has. When I watch straight porn (men and GG's), I identify with the woman and not the guy.


YEAH LIKE I SAID ITS A MATTER OF PERSONAL OPINION AND YOUR OPIONION IS YOUR BELIEF ..DOES THAT MAKE IT RIGHT OR NOT?

ALL IM SAYING IS HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR IT IS WHAT IT IS..TWO MEN HAVING SEX IS HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR..LOTS OF MEN KEEP ON SAYING IM STRAIGHT..MY OPINION IS A LIL BIAS..I FELL THAT A MAN LIKING DICK FROM A MAN OR A TS IS HOMOSEXUAL BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE THAT MAN LESS OF A MAN AT ALL ITS JUST HIS PREFERENCES ..BUT KEEPIN ON SAYING IM STRAIGHT BUT THEY ARE CLEARLY BI WITH THE PREFERENCE OF A TRANSSEXUAL OPPOSED TO A MANLY MALE

[trish]

does anyone else think it's amusingly ironic that tops always have the tiniest dicks?

[BeardedOne]

does anyone else think it's amusingly ironic that tops always have the tiniest dicks?

*Snark!* :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now that you mention it...

Though this has not been my experience with the gurls (But they may not necessarily be tops after hours).

[Wolfcap]

where I'm from, a cock up your ass cancels out you being straight

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:?




Where I'm from, and for the most part, most everone here is from, AMERICA.....fucking around with anything born a man cancels you out.

So are you trying to tell us all the girls here are men?


do a poll outside HA and ask "does getting a big cock penetrating my anus make mean I'm straight?"

tell us how the results go

He explicitly said "born a man". He did not say the girls here are men. I prefer to top and know that being attracted to anyone with a cock demotes you from 100% straight even strapon from a gg.

[MacShreach]

does anyone else think it's amusingly ironic that tops always have the tiniest dicks?

Shit you mean I'm wearing some other fucker's dick?!?!?!?! How'd you bastards pull that one?









(On second thought, don't answer that.)

[Night Rider]

I prefer to top and know that being attracted to anyone with a cock demotes you from 100% straight even strapon from a gg.

Yeah I know it doesn't make you strictly 100% straight but I wouldn't say I'm bi-sexual. Most of these guys that like cock, probably would whether it was a TS or a guy.

[dnlgrc]

i am going to thailan benkok on a bissnes trip i will be lloking for a shemale there, can you tell me where can i go to look for one, thank you

[dnlgrc]

does any one know where can i go in benkok thailan, like a she male, thank you

[Jericho]

does any one know where can i go in benkok thailan, like a she male, thank you


Don't know how up-to-date it is, but, you might as well jump in at the deep end! :lol:

http://www.bangkok.com/nightlife-go-go-bar/nana-plaza.html

[omghi2u]

I'm just curious.
This seriously baffles me...

If you like TS, top only... and don't like cock, why the fuck wouldn't you be having sex with real women?

Is that not the dumbest thing you've ever heard?

Read this to yourself:

"I hate cock but I prefer fucking a girl that has one"

If that's you, please kill yourself.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

What's so wrong with declaring your prefference for being a bottom?

On either end.

We all have personal opinions, prefferences. and tastes- just because I would not date a bottom does not mean I look down upon men that do.

It's your choice- I just don't want to be your GF if you like taking it in the ass or are a big size queen or you give black holes in space a run for their money- simple as that.

No judgements- just PREFFERENCES.

[tsntx]

youre all fags :D

[ludmilalover]

im tired of seeing that guy sucking dick in the avatar, take that shit off

[KO47]

First of all, anal penetration is not necessarily gay sex unless the people having it are homosexuals. Secondly, there are people who would say that if you're a guy having sex with ANYONE with a penis. you're gay. So sanctimonious strict tops count as homos in their book, and so do pre-ops.

Everyone should just fuck who they want, how they want, and stop making judgments about what other people do for fun. If someone's sexuality is not your cup of tea, go explore your own and stfu. The world obviously needs a lot more fucking so peoples' sexual frustrations aren't manifested in the form of petty bullshit in their daily lives. We, the people who get laid and know how we like it, are sick of you assholes.

Winnar

[MacShreach]

I'm just curious.
This seriously baffles me...

If you like TS, top only... and don't like cock, why the fuck wouldn't you be having sex with real women?

Leaving aside your pejorative language, I do. Regularly.




Is that not the dumbest thing you've ever heard?



a) not as dumb as this question
b) only a homo would think that it was

You choose.





If that's you, please kill yourself.

Oh look, another gay nazi slimed out of the woodwork. Ugh. Tell you what, you kill yourself instead. You're about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit anyway.

[MacShreach]

ROFL @


you give black holes in space a run for their money.

[yodajazz]

You don't say.....Lots of guys here like cocks on their TS's???!!!??? :shock:


Why does it bother you people so much?


I think it's totally ridiculous to talk shit about the fantasies of someone on a fucking porn site. HA. Not just a porn site mind you, but a TRANSSEXUAL web site at that.

So said guy wants to live out his fantasies about having a big ass, big titty'd girl putting her big 10 incher up his ass. Maybe he even wants more debauchery with himself gettin dick slapped, cummed on, piss on.........the works. So what. That in itself doesn't make him gay....what it makes.....it makes HIS fantasy.

You hypocrites have nerve, as if you putting your p33n in someones RECTUM makes you less gay.

And the girls on this site come off even worse. You would think a TS girl would know better, considering that, SURPRISE......you were born a man.


I don't claim to have the HOLY GRAIL answer as to what really makes someone gay or not, especially since the definition seems to change every few years, but I will privy this, None of you here, myself included, have it either.

I think that Armani is more referring to the lack of common courtesy, respect, and tolerance of some people on this board. In addition to posting pictures, this board is also a discussion board for adults. It is a place where we should be able to share parts of ourselves that others in the outside world are slow to understand. And many people here have done that. Some people have practically given their life stories. Others have shared intimate sexual experiences. Most people here appreciate that openness, except a few just here for the pictures. And some who came for the pictures, now state how much they have learned from the discussion.

But what kills the atmosphere is a bunch of immature, judgmental name calling, like calling people fags, as a prime example, or calling a women butt-ugly. No group of people is going to agree on everything, but there is an adult way to express disagreement or the alternative is just to ignore things you find distasteful. I can say the TJ347 often disagrees with things, but his states his opinions in an adult respectful manner. Other people, who disagree with him, still have to respect him. But it is not the moderators’ job to ask for respect, it’s something we all can ask for.

I’ve been on the planet for a long time, and been attracted to the ‘alternate gender community’ for most of it. I first realized that around the age of six, when I was fooled by a female impersonator on a comedy show. Finding this forum is practically the first time being around people consistently who share some my tastes. I’ve talked with people in drag bars and even had some sexual flings, but nothing that lasted. I wish I could have some buddies I could hang out with and hit the clubs, but all my friends are straight or gay.

So I am saying this to say that this forum is important to me. I have grown to care for and respect a lot people here. But the judgmental atmosphere around here, makes me very hesitant to share some parts of myself. I really dislike that fact that Hondarobot once shared something of himself and people are using it against him a year later, even included it as a byline attached to every one of their posts. I think that it’s downright cruel to do that. So is this forum here to share our special interests, or is it here to humiliate people we disagree with?


youre all fags :D

Lastly, I would specifically like to mention Tsntx. She say a lot of things about men in general that tick me off, but she also adds insight and humor to this site. She has shared some of her history, even her before pictures, and her current projects. I think she’s hot whether she would sleep with me or not. So with her, I just take the good with the bad. I would never want to see her banned. Were all supposed to be adults so I have the option to say something in a respectful way if it bothers me too much.

Yes people can talk a lot of trash on the internet, but it doesn’t mean that we should not try to lift up our community. How can we ask the world, or our own families to respect us if we don’t respect ourselves?

[mbf]

the day yodajazz stops posting reason dies on this board.....

[lazyman]

I'm just curious.
This seriously baffles me...

If you like TS, top only... and don't like cock, why the fuck wouldn't you be having sex with real women?

Is that not the dumbest thing you've ever heard?

Read this to yourself:

"I hate cock but I prefer fucking a girl that has one"

If that's you, please kill yourself.

So because you don't understand/share our sexual preference, it's therefore illegitimate is it? How would you like it if the rest of society treated you like that? Or do you think everyone must share your own tastes? Grow up and lose the sexual fascism.

[Night Rider]

im tired of seeing that guy sucking dick in the avatar, take that shit off

I'm tired of hearing people bitch about it

..it's a fucking bet, can you read?

[Thatiger23]

im tired of seeing that guy sucking dick in the avatar, take that shit off

I'm tired of hearing people bitch about it

..it's a fucking bet, can you read?

i dont think he can mabey you need to put it in a bigger font lol

[Night Rider]

im tired of seeing that guy sucking dick in the avatar, take that shit off

I'm tired of hearing people bitch about it

..it's a fucking bet, can you read?

i dont think he can mabey you need to put it in a bigger font lol

LOL and maybe I could make it flash too for him

[Thatiger23]

im tired of seeing that guy sucking dick in the avatar, take that shit off

I'm tired of hearing people bitch about it

..it's a fucking bet, can you read?

i dont think he can mabey you need to put it in a bigger font lol

LOL and maybe I could make it flash too for him

LOL dont forget mabey a bright red color would be nice too

[Night Rider]

hehe

i think most of the guys here would prefer pink ;)

[Thatiger23]

hehe

i think most of the guys here would prefer pink ;)
LOL

[MacShreach]

the day yodajazz stops posting reason dies on this board.....

Really, do you think so?

[Night Rider]

I really dislike that fact that Hondarobot once shared something of himself and people are using it against him a year later, even included it as a byline attached to every one of their posts. I think that it’s downright cruel to do that. So is this forum here to share our special interests, or is it here to humiliate people we disagree with?


the latter

[MacShreach]

<snip>

I'm sorry, yoda, I don't have time to go through your points one by one but essentially, as I'm sure you will have already realised. I disagree with most of what you say.

This place is popular and thriving because it is the way it is, and that includes the slapstick, name-calling, bitch-fighting and everything else.

There are plenty of forums which are dull as ditchwater for those who want it. HA is just fine the way it is and the mods are to be congratulated.

As for HR-- he attacked a woman while she was sleeping and then boasted about it. Had he kept his big mouth shut no-one would have known. His victim was reluctant to confirm what had happened, so I'm sure she would never have publicised it. Everything he gets he has asked for.

[mbf]

This place is popular and thriving because it is the way it is, and that includes the slapstick, name-calling, bitch-fighting and everything else.

There are plenty of forums which are dull as ditchwater for those who want it. HA is just fine the way it is and the mods are to be congratulated.


I agree. As for the "online-fighting" - I cant believe people get so upset about it, as I am sure most of the "fighters" in them enjoy the wits and fun that comes with it.

Seriously, this is the internet, I wonder how some of you whiners that always complain about the lack of manners on this board deal with rudeness and aggression in RealLife. Its not that you are forced to read NR vs. Nicole Dupree, but you do it and bitch about it afterwards. Truth is, you WANTED it that way, but I am carried away...



As for HR-- he attacked a woman while she was sleeping and then boasted about it. Had he kept his big mouth shut no-one would have known. His victim was reluctant to confirm what had happened, so I'm sure she would never have publicised it. Everything he gets he has asked for.

I recently got co-opted to the "hondapatrol" (or whatever he calls it). This may look like me beeing a bandwagonjumper, and ganging up on someone. In fact, fembot began to stalk me around the board a couple of weeks ago and started to disrupt threads I was posting in. He started it - So I thought, its time for a little kickback. Yes, its somewhat childish, but honestly, he INVITES all the BS that is beeing loaded upon him.

@yoda: I respect him a lot, dont neccessarily agree with all his points but he keeps it ALWAYS civilised. Something I am not able to in some cases.

[MacShreach]

@yoda: I respect him a lot, dont neccessarily agree with all his points but he keeps it ALWAYS civilised. Something I am not able to in some cases.

Agreed and me too.

[Night Rider]

This may look like me beeing a bandwagonjumper, and ganging up on someone. In fact, fembot began to stalk me around the board a couple of weeks ago and started to disrupt threads I was posting in. He started it - So I thought, its time for a little kickback. Yes, its somewhat childish, but honestly, he INVITES all the BS that is beeing loaded upon him.

The exact same thing happened to me in the 'salvage' thread. At the time I didn't know how crazy he was and he was disrupting all the threads I was in. It didn't take me long to figure out that I was dealing with a madman.

[a994]

(sigh) You like what/who you like.

Whoever someone else likes makes no difference to me.

Guys, being a bottom for t-women does NOT make you gay. ONLY liking men (even if you never even touch or kiss one) does. And as one poster wrote, we all know what the rest of the world thinks about top-only guys.

The question is: can you live with yourself? You can, to varying degrees, get away from the rest of the world or tune them out, but you will NEVER be able to escape yourself, so you better make sure you can live with yourself.

Personally, I could care less about your orientation or whatever you choose to do in private, as long as you're not hurting anyone. There are more important things to deal with than that.

In other words, some of this "top-only vs. bottom-only" contention is getting old. If you're going to continue fighting this battle over and over again, could you please keep it down? Thank you. :)

[Vicki Richter]

This is an age old topic. If you like dick in your ass and are a man, you are being gay. If you don't like dick in your ass, but like to fuck women or anything that looks like a woman in the ass, you can be straight, but that depends on how closely it resembles a woman. I don't think you can go bang part time CD's and still be straight.

This is really a highly debatable topic on either side. The reason TS want "straight" men to date, or men that are strictly tops, is because many of us plan on getting SRS. We view ourselves as women. The last thing I want if I have a vagina is a guy needing cock to make him content sexually. That man will cheat with other TS, CD's, and even men to feed his cock and cum craving. Even not believing in monygomy I don't want to date a guy who fucks dudes. I don't want to find out my guy is frequenting bath houses and gay clubs blowing guys in the parking lot. However, I would feel comfortable if my guy was out fucking other women.

Anyway Armanixxx, you sound very insulting in this thread I think. At the very least, within our little community, let TS be considered women. With your argument, even post-op TS are still men in your opinion. We may never be 'real' women, but at some point you have to admit we are no longer men. On the degrees of gayity scale, bottoming or receiving objects in your ass is much more gay than topping. I would go so far as to say it is significantly more gay for a guy to take a strap on from a GG than it is for a guy to top a TS who looks like a woman. Just the same, I would give you that either taking a GG strap on or a TS penis is much less gay than sucking off a real man penis. This is all common sense though as equates to societies norms.

Finally, I can't imagine a man who would choose a Rosey O'donnel looking GG over a very attractive TS woman. If nobody but that man knew, I would say 95% of men would pick the TS. I am very confident in that statistic, no matter how artificial. I think when it comes down to a decidedly average woman, maybe the percentages go down to 50-50. However, I believe that men are drawn to the best looking woman TS or GG most of the time. These aren't just guys who are drawn to the parity or perversion of a woman with a cock, but guys who legitimately just want to fuck a pretty girl.

[lust4ts]

I have nothing against bottoms and admit it was something I used to think was maybe something I wanted to do when I watched it in TS porn in the past!

But that has changed drastically, how can you feel like a man, bent over with a Cock in your ass, even if that cock belongs to the prettiest of girls.

I tend to agree with the view that once you take it in the ass, you are most likely Bi, that's cool but it's just not a position I would feel comfortable in!

[trish]

where i come from….well shit, never mind. what’s it matter where i came from…i and every girl here have transcended the narrow mores of their geographical origins. you’re only a top…nice…nuthin’ to brag on, but fine. you love a cock up your ass…great. are any of these activities gay? who cares?__ unless gay (or any of these terms) means something derogatory to you, in which case i suggest you re-examine and transcend your own narrow values.

[xrey]

I wonder if most of the men who so strongly declare they're "not gay" are midwestestern / southern republican conservatives?

Sounds very Larry Craig'ish.

http://www.stupid.com/stat/LCAF.html

[Night Rider]

I wonder if most of the men who so strongly declare they're "not gay"....

..are you coming out of the closet :?: :P

[MacShreach]

This is an age old topic. If you like dick in your ass and are a man, you are being gay. If you don't like dick in your ass, but like to fuck women or anything that looks like a woman in the ass, you can be straight, but that depends on how closely it resembles a woman. I don't think you can go bang part time CD's and still be straight.



I agree absolutely. What is amazing is that this is even being questioned.




This is really a highly debatable topic on either side. The reason TS want "straight" men to date, or men that are strictly tops, is because many of us plan on getting SRS. We view ourselves as women. The last thing I want if I have a vagina is a guy needing cock to make him content sexually. That man will cheat with other TS, CD's, and even men to feed his cock and cum craving. Even not believing in monygomy I don't want to date a guy who fucks dudes. I don't want to find out my guy is frequenting bath houses and gay clubs blowing guys in the parking lot. However, I would feel comfortable if my guy was out fucking other women.

I think that's a very perceptive analysis. Clearly people here are more accepting of variation from the gender norms than the wider society, at least in the Anglo-Saxon world. But it's pretty sick that every time this issue comes up, sooner or later somebody starts making statements that clearly imply that they believe that TS women are actually men. It's usually one of the closet gays or the cross-dressers or their fanciers, because, let's be honest, that is exactly how they perceive TS women-- as other men.

Okay, we could be absolutist and say, born with a dick, always a man. But we don't, not here anyway, and outside of the most reactionary parts of wider society, not there either. We say a person can change their gender, they don't have to live with the gender they were born with physically. The only question is, when does that happen? Does it happen on the operating table under the surgeon performing SRS's knife, or DOES IT HAPPEN IN THE MIND OF THE WOMAN LONG BEFORE THAT?

And if we--and I definitely do--accept that it happens in the mind of the woman long before, how can a man indulging in male pattern sex with that woman, ie penetrating her, be gay? In OTHER WORDS IT IS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE FOR A MAN WHO FUCKS A GENUINELY TS WOMAN TO BE GAY. Those who say it is are actually saying that they believe that TS women are in fact men.






Anyway Armanixxx, you sound very insulting in this thread I think. At the very least, within our little community, let TS be considered women. With your argument, even post-op TS are still men in your opinion. We may never be 'real' women, but at some point you have to admit we are no longer men. On the degrees of gayity scale, bottoming or receiving objects in your ass is much more gay than topping. I would go so far as to say it is significantly more gay for a guy to take a strap on from a GG than it is for a guy to top a TS who looks like a woman. Just the same, I would give you that either taking a GG strap on or a TS penis is much less gay than sucking off a real man penis. This is all common sense though as equates to societies norms.



Yup. I don't understand what people's problem is, but there sure are plenty of people with them here. There's nothing wrong with being gay; this is 2007. Okay so there are some sick fucks out there who still think that it's all right to discriminate and be violent towards gay men, but I don't think there's anyone here like that. But the fact that I am sympathetic towards gay men and don't discriminate against them DOES NOT MAKE ME ONE OF THEM.

Get a life guys-- if you're a man who likes dick in your arse you're gay, that's it, it's no big deal. Why this constant lying, denial, all the other stuff? I think you guys are into TS women because it allows you to feed your hypocrisy. It lets you say "Hell I ain't gay, at least any more than that guy over there," while whpping down your pants and asking for a porking. And then, every time a girl can't get hard because she's on hormones, you bitch and squeal about how bad that is. You slaver like rabid dogs over anything wearing a plastic wig and a bra full of socks, as long as it has a hard dick, and your FIRST question about ANY TS woman is "How big is her cock?"

Oh, and God forbid any girl has SRS. Oh dear. That's high treason. Some of the things you guys say to girls WHO ARE ACHIEVING A LIFETIME'S GOAL, just because you won't be able to drool over their penises any more and indulge your gay fantasy, are utterly offensive and I am quite certain deeply, deeply hurtful. Frankly I for one want nothing to do with those of you who do it. You can fuck right off with any idea of "community" if that means preventing other people from achieving fulfilment just so you can selfishly feed your fetish.



Finally, I can't imagine a man who would choose a Rosey O'donnel looking GG over a very attractive TS woman. If nobody but that man knew, I would say 95% of men would pick the TS. I am very confident in that statistic, no matter how artificial. I think when it comes down to a decidedly average woman, maybe the percentages go down to 50-50. However, I believe that men are drawn to the best looking woman TS or GG most of the time. These aren't just guys who are drawn to the parity or perversion of a woman with a cock, but guys who legitimately just want to fuck a pretty girl.

Haha, trust a woman to get it. :rock2 :rock2 Thank you Vicki. I may be shallow because I'm drawn to beautiful women, but that's all.

[xrey]

I wonder if most of the men who so strongly declare they're "not gay"....

..are you coming out of the closet :?: :P

You give the impressiont that you are stuck in the closet peering through the keyhole wondering who is waiting for you once you step foot outside?

[Night Rider]

I wonder if most of the men who so strongly declare they're "not gay"....

..are you coming out of the closet :?: :P

Are you stuck in the closet peering through the keyhole wondering who is waiting for you once you step foot outside?

To answer your question i am neither in or out of the closet but am comfortable where I am.

The closet doesn't even come into the equation with me. I like fucking women whether it's TS or GG, therefore I'm straight. Nothing has ever went up my ass except maybe the odd house spider when I'm asleep.

IMO if you're attracted to a penis (male organ) you're bi-sexual.

I don't know whether you're a cockwhore or not, but if so then I'm afraid you're a closet case...not that there's anything wrong with that

[xrey]

You are hilarious and entertaining at the same time ... intentional or not. This subject is the ultimate in irony considering the location ... a transgendered board.

It is interesting that you begin your statement with IMO and then try to argue with everyone who has their own opinion - be it a statement about sexual preference or another subject.

Opinion -
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

[Night Rider]

IMO if you're attracted to a penis (male organ) you're bi-sexual.

^^^I think that makes alot of sense^^^

My opinion is usually sound

:mrgreen:

[MacShreach]

Guys, being a bottom for t-women does NOT make you gay. :smh

Er, actually, it does. :shrug

[Night Rider]

Cocks under skirts, bulging cocks, cocks squirting, cocks to be sucked, perfect cocks, cock cartoons, it's like Cockalooza, Cockstock and Burning Cock all roll up in one. Can't we all just get along?

You forgot 'cockwars' and 'veiniest cock'

[tollroad]

where I'm from, a cock up your ass cancels out you being straight

That is a universal truth. And it applies to the gay queens who call themselves transsexual but won't part with their dicks.

[tollroad]

First of all, anal penetration is not necessarily gay sex unless the people having it are homosexuals.

[Night Rider]

Well I went back and typed in vein.. and look what came up?


Mushroom head dicks 3 pages
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=24656&highlight=vein

Girls with MONSTER DICKS?! 26 pages
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=16081&highlight=vein

What female celebrities do you wish had a cock? 18 pages http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=650&highlight=vein


:lol: :lol:

Doesn't surprise me, it's funny to see people obsessing over cock. If this was a GG forum, I doubt we'd all be starting "most precious pussy" or "cute clits". Some just have COCK engraved in their mind.

[Rod la Rod]

This "club kid" would make a perfect t-girl... 81 pages

[/b]

Just about Every beautiful passable TS started as a "club kid", INCLUDING DANIEL FOXXX, MIRIAM, FABIANA SPEARS, ALEXIS ETC.

The "Club Kid" Scene is equivalent to the minor leagues or AAA farm teams of the big league Tranny Pornography that we all enjoy.

The bumpkins that populate this board seem to be unaware that the sexy, feminine, chemically and surgically enhanced transsexuals that we all worship were once boys. This is a phenomenon that goes back to the beginning of the human race.

Learn about ancient, (Pre-Judeo Christian) Rome, Greece, Japan, China, etc. Get over your Gay guilt and get a clue.

[Night Rider]

Just about Every beautiful passable TS started our as a "club kid", INCLUDING DANIEL FOXXX, MIRIAM, FABIANA SPEARS, ALEXIS ETC.

Just like every GG started as a baby. Does that mean you're a kiddy fiddler? I hope not, but with a bald guy like you, nothing would surprise me.

[yodajazz]

This is an age old topic. If you like dick in your ass and are a man, you are being gay. If you don't like dick in your ass, but like to fuck women or anything that looks like a woman in the ass, you can be straight, but that depends on how closely it resembles a woman. I don't think you can go bang part time CD's and still be straight.

This is really a highly debatable topic on either side. The reason TS want "straight" men to date, or men that are strictly tops, is because many of us plan on getting SRS. We view ourselves as women. The last thing I want if I have a vagina is a guy needing cock to make him content sexually. That man will cheat with other TS, CD's, and even men to feed his cock and cum craving. Even not believing in monygomy I don't want to date a guy who fucks dudes. I don't want to find out my guy is frequenting bath houses and gay clubs blowing guys in the parking lot. However, I would feel comfortable if my guy was out fucking other women. ....


I basically agree with your comments on ‘the gayness scale’. But where I do disagree is with the implications of what you say about a man who is not strictly a top. You imply that if a man ever bottoms, then he “will cheat with other TS, CD's, and even men to feed his cock and cum craving”. Some people try sexual act because they are curious, others try things because it is requested by thier partner. But the biggest problem with your statement is that some people choose to be faithful. Despite whatever sexual acts they may have done they decide to give it up in outside relationships. I have seen pictures of a post-op wearing a dildo before. So who is to say that a man who bottoms in a relationship with a pre-op, could not have her wear a dildo to recreate the old times. Being unfaithful is choice as is being faithful. I do believe that everyone is tempted at one time or another, but to engage is acts is a deliberate action. Many people indulge in their other cravings by watching porno with their mates.

I am like that other poster, I thought about it at one time, but I'm no longer interested. I never tried it, except being molested once as a child.


.........
Finally, I can't imagine a man who would choose a Rosey O'donnel looking GG over a very attractive TS woman. If nobody but that man knew, I would say 95% of men would pick the TS. I am very confident in that statistic, no matter how artificial. I think when it comes down to a decidedly average woman, maybe the percentages go down to 50-50. However, I believe that men are drawn to the best looking woman TS or GG most of the time. These aren't just guys who are drawn to the parity or perversion of a woman with a cock, but guys who legitimately just want to fuck a pretty girl.

Here, youre talking about attraction. But ltr's are based on many things, including looks and sexual attraction. The only reason that Rosey O'Donnel does not have a man is because she is gay. Some men do find her attractive, and her sense of humor would make her a good person to spend time with.

Still many if not most men would want to sleep with a gorgeous woman, but many men could not handle the baggage that would come with a ltr with that same woman.

[Rod la Rod]

Just about Every beautiful passable TS started our as a "club kid", INCLUDING DANIEL FOXXX, MIRIAM, FABIANA SPEARS, ALEXIS ETC.

Just like every GG started as a baby. Does that mean you're a kiddy fiddler? I hope not, but with a bald guy like you, nothing would surprise me.

Really great insight. Just like a 12 year old. You really are a moron. You are one of the bumpkins I was speaking of. You are obviously a virgin.
Why would you tell your family that you "fancy" chicks with dicks when none exist in N. Ireland and you have never met a TS.?

What kind of fucking freak are you?

[lust4ts]

Look, I can give a fair view on this because at one time, when I joined that was me looking and posting in those threads. I have the balls to admit it. And I also have the balls to admit I was a pathetic cockbandit, like so many of the people here are.

Luckily I have sincerely changed, I have a feeling many of these people won't ever change! How do I know I've changed? Well the last time I watched TS porn and the girl topped the guy, I had to turn it off. That was three months ago and I haven't watched it since. Now when I look in those threads and see those same comments I laugh at how pathetic I must have sounded :oops:

For all you guys who make these threads "Mushroom head cocks" (I was never that bad lol), and say I'm not obsessed by cock.....Bullshit, I've been there and you are.

I'm not proud of how I was, but I won't try and hide it either....You fuckers are Cockbandits, but there is still hope for you.

As for the "Don't cut it off" guys, you are the lowest of the low!

[Night Rider]

Just about Every beautiful passable TS started our as a "club kid", INCLUDING DANIEL FOXXX, MIRIAM, FABIANA SPEARS, ALEXIS ETC.

Just like every GG started as a baby. Does that mean you're a kiddy fiddler? I hope not, but with a bald guy like you, nothing would surprise me.

Really great insight. Just like a 12 year old. You really are a moron. You are one of the bumpkins I was speaking of. You are obviously a virgin.
Why would you tell your family that you "fancy" chicks with dicks when none exist in N. Ireland and you have never met a TS.?

What kind of fucking freak are you?

Because I've been to Amsterdam with family and fucked TS hookers, no big deal. I hope you're comfortable in the closet because by the sound of you, you don't even have the balls to tell your family what you like/dislike. If you had 'came out' years ago maybe you would have kept those locks. :twisted:

..and who the fuck is that guy in your avatar? are you trying to give legend a run for his money in terms of femininity?

[Rod la Rod]

That "fag" is Gene Vincent son. I would invite you to call him a fag in certain clubs in London. I would love to be there to witness your guts being stomped.

So you took your mom with you to Amsterdam to fuck a tranny?

You really are a sick, pathetic fucker.

[KiraHarden]

Look, I can give a fair view on this because at one time, when I joined that was me looking and posting in those threads. I have the balls to admit it. And I also have the balls to admit I was a pathetic cockbandit, like so many of the people here are.

Luckily I have sincerely changed, I have a feeling many of these people won't ever change! How do I know I've changed? Well the last time I watched TS porn and the girl topped the guy, I had to turn it off. That was three months ago and I haven't watched it since. Now when I look in those threads and see those same comments I laugh at how pathetic I must have sounded :oops:

For all you guys who make these threads "Mushroom head cocks" (I was never that bad lol), and say I'm not obsessed by cock.....Bullshit, I've been there and you are.

I'm not proud of how I was, but I won't try and hide it either....You fuckers are Cockbandits, but there is still hope for you.

As for the "Don't cut it off" guys, you are the lowest of the low!
What happened that you changed how your attracted to TS and cant watch those type of vids now? I'm just curious.

[Night Rider]

That "fag" is Gene Vincent son. I would invite you to call him a fag in certain clubs in London. I would love to be there to witness your guts being stomped.

So you took your mom with you to Amsterdam to fuck a tranny?

You really are a sick, pathetic fucker.

I've been with my cousin and uncle a couple of times you twat.

WOOOO "Gene Vincent" well why didn't you say so? :lol:

Fucking loser

[lust4ts]

Look, I can give a fair view on this because at one time, when I joined that was me looking and posting in those threads. I have the balls to admit it. And I also have the balls to admit I was a pathetic cockbandit, like so many of the people here are.

Luckily I have sincerely changed, I have a feeling many of these people won't ever change! How do I know I've changed? Well the last time I watched TS porn and the girl topped the guy, I had to turn it off. That was three months ago and I haven't watched it since. Now when I look in those threads and see those same comments I laugh at how pathetic I must have sounded :oops:

For all you guys who make these threads "Mushroom head cocks" (I was never that bad lol), and say I'm not obsessed by cock.....Bullshit, I've been there and you are.

I'm not proud of how I was, but I won't try and hide it either....You fuckers are Cockbandits, but there is still hope for you.

As for the "Don't cut it off" guys, you are the lowest of the low!
What happened that you changed how your attracted to TS and cant watch those type of vids now? I'm just curious.

Just one day I switched it on and seeing a guy being fucked in the ass repulsed me. And those big cocked girls that I used to lust (thus the name) over, no longer did anything for me!

It's hard to explain, I first realised that I found TS's attractive about three years ago, after seeing Vanity naked on a Television program. From then on I had this thing about pretty girls with big cocks, that's what led me here. I even used to imagine girlfriends or my sexual partners having cocks!

It just does nothing for me now, I can't even watch solo scenes with a big cock flapping around in front of the camera. It just freaks me out :twisted:

I don't know I guess when I realised I like TS's I focused on the cock too much. When I look back at myself I see the same pathetic traits in so many of these people here, that I used to have and believe me they ARE cockbandits, of that there is no doubt. But I'm living prove that it is not a terminal decease!

[Bluntasaurus-Rex]

the concept of sexual orientation is ridiculous

[AllanahStarrNYC]

This is an age old topic. If you like dick in your ass and are a man, you are being gay. If you don't like dick in your ass, but like to fuck women or anything that looks like a woman in the ass, you can be straight, but that depends on how closely it resembles a woman. I don't think you can go bang part time CD's and still be straight.

This is really a highly debatable topic on either side. The reason TS want "straight" men to date, or men that are strictly tops, is because many of us plan on getting SRS. We view ourselves as women. The last thing I want if I have a vagina is a guy needing cock to make him content sexually. That man will cheat with other TS, CD's, and even men to feed his cock and cum craving. Even not believing in monygomy I don't want to date a guy who fucks dudes. I don't want to find out my guy is frequenting bath houses and gay clubs blowing guys in the parking lot. However, I would feel comfortable if my guy was out fucking other women.

Anyway Armanixxx, you sound very insulting in this thread I think. At the very least, within our little community, let TS be considered women. With your argument, even post-op TS are still men in your opinion. We may never be 'real' women, but at some point you have to admit we are no longer men. On the degrees of gayity scale, bottoming or receiving objects in your ass is much more gay than topping. I would go so far as to say it is significantly more gay for a guy to take a strap on from a GG than it is for a guy to top a TS who looks like a woman. Just the same, I would give you that either taking a GG strap on or a TS penis is much less gay than sucking off a real man penis. This is all common sense though as equates to societies norms.

Finally, I can't imagine a man who would choose a Rosey O'donnel looking GG over a very attractive TS woman. If nobody but that man knew, I would say 95% of men would pick the TS. I am very confident in that statistic, no matter how artificial. I think when it comes down to a decidedly average woman, maybe the percentages go down to 50-50. However, I believe that men are drawn to the best looking woman TS or GG most of the time. These aren't just guys who are drawn to the parity or perversion of a woman with a cock, but guys who legitimately just want to fuck a pretty girl.

Applause

[TJ347]

You put it out there, people comment and sometimes you don't like their comments. Solution? Don't put it out there.

This is yet another example of someone who thinks the world would be better if everyone thought and behaved as they do, and is angered by the fact that this will never happen. And for what it's worth, to go into a tantrum about it is, for lack of a better word, kinda gay...

Just saying.

[tollroad]

I've been with my cousin and uncle a couple of times you twat.

Who fucked who?

If you topped your uncle you are certainly not gay.

Is the cousin male, female or in-between?


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[scroller]

And those big cocked girls that I used to lust (thus the name) over, no longer did anything for me!

So what are you doing on a website dedicated to "Angels" who are "Hung"?

[lust4ts]

And those big cocked girls that I used to lust (thus the name) over, no longer did anything for me!

So what are you doing on a website dedicated to "Angels" who are "Hung"?

I come here because of the community now, please don't question me on my motives. I have been honest enough to share my reasons why I joined, and how I have now changed. I have nothing to lie about!

I have people I like here, I like the forum and the poster populous is so diverse and interesting, no other forum seems to compare. Plus, lets face it the drama is nothing short of fantastic :wink:

As for the pics of big cocks, they have no purpose or hold no interest for me now.

I have discussed this many a time, and it certainly is not the cock pics that keep me coming here!

Any more questions?

[Night Rider]

I've been with my cousin and uncle a couple of times you twat.

Who fucked who?

If you topped your uncle you are certainly not gay.

Is the cousin male, female or in-between?


.

LOL

That's the typical HA way of looking at things!

[a994]

Guys, being a bottom for t-women does NOT make you gay. :smh

Er, actually, it does. :shrug


If you view a t-woman as being a man in womens' clothing. Which, by the way, your typical t-woman would not be thrilled with.

And Vicki, there's NO WAY I would even consider hooking up with a crossdresser or a man, no matter how much I like t-women (which by the way is about as much as I like g-women).

[MacShreach]

If you view a t-woman as being a man in womens' clothing.

Not at all, and don't try to put words in my mouth, pal. TS women are women; men who take cocks up their arse are gay. That's all I have to say to you.

[Rod la Rod]

This is a very unscientific analysis of popular/recent threads on HA, but it seems to indicate what I've suspected, exclusively Top Males are, probably, heavily outnumbered on HA.

BOTTOM AND COCK CENTERED THREADS

No, you get a fucking clue. Don't go starting crap with me pal. I merely pointed out that the thread was 81 pages. Go pick fights with others buddy.

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The post was not even directed at you "braveman". But now that you bring it up, how is the club kids thread, "BOTTOM AND COCK CENTERED"? I have not looked at every page but I didn't see any cocks in that thread. Also those club kids generally don't seem like "tops" to me. Besides I think the HA girls are probably interested in checking out the "new talent".

[crayons]

You don't say.....Lots of guys here like cocks on their TS's???!!!??? :shock:


Why does it bother you people so much?


I think it's totally ridiculous to talk shit about the fantasies of someone on a fucking porn site. HA. Not just a porn site mind you, but a TRANSSEXUAL web site at that.

So said guy wants to live out his fantasies about having a big ass, big titty'd girl putting her big 10 incher up his ass. Maybe he even wants more debauchery with himself gettin dick slapped, cummed on, piss on.........the works. So what. That in itself doesn't make him gay....what it makes.....it makes HIS fantasy.

You hypocrites have nerve, as if you putting your p33n in someones RECTUM makes you less gay.

And the girls on this site come off even worse. You would think a TS girl would know better, considering that, SURPRISE......you were born a man.


I don't claim to have the HOLY GRAIL answer as to what really makes someone gay or not, especially since the definition seems to change every few years, but I will privy this, None of you here, myself included, have it either.

I'm cool with what you want to fantasize about, but don't forget, the girls here have complained that they're not sexual objects or fantasies. They want to be treated as humans they said. Why aren't you ranting at them if your objective here is to swim in the shallow cloud of a dream?

[crayons]

This is an age old topic. If you like dick in your ass and are a man, you are being gay. If you don't like dick in your ass, but like to fuck women or anything that looks like a woman in the ass, you can be straight, but that depends on how closely it resembles a woman. I don't think you can go bang part time CD's and still be straight.

Very nice. Can we have this quote in the CD/Amatuer TS thread as well? :D



Even not believing in monygomy I don't want to date a guy who fucks dudes. I don't want to find out my guy is frequenting bath houses and gay clubs blowing guys in the parking lot. However, I would feel comfortable if my guy was out fucking other women.

For real?.... actually I think I agree. :shock:



With your argument, even post-op TS are still men in your opinion. We may never be 'real' women, but at some point you have to admit we are no longer men. On the degrees of gayity scale, bottoming or receiving objects in your ass is much more gay than topping. I would go so far as to say it is significantly more gay for a guy to take a strap on from a GG than it is for a guy to top a TS who looks like a woman. Just the same, I would give you that either taking a GG strap on or a TS penis is much less gay than sucking off a real man penis. This is all common sense though as equates to societies norms.

Niiiice.



Finally, I can't imagine a man who would choose a Rosey O'donnel looking GG over a very attractive TS woman. If nobody but that man knew, I would say 95% of men would pick the TS. I am very confident in that statistic, no matter how artificial. I think when it comes down to a decidedly average woman, maybe the percentages go down to 50-50. However, I believe that men are drawn to the best looking woman TS or GG most of the time. These aren't just guys who are drawn to the parity or perversion of a woman with a cock, but guys who legitimately just want to fuck a pretty girl.

You know what? Buck Angel asked this question to some sailors. It was something like "Would you rather fuck a woman who was born a man but is now very attractive, or a natural woman who is now like a man (in terms of looks)". I think the consensus was the woman (born a man)- but what I found interesting is the men didn't care what these two individuals personalities were like. It all came down to looks.

So I should (in effect) be the most popular person on HA. :peanutbutter

[ARMANIXXX]

Wow.

This is still goin on.


I suppose I should answer a few.......... later

[62des]

Well if I see a chick that's fine with a nice ass and I find out she's got a dick, I would still shove my dick in her ass until she screams. Why? Because if it looks like a girl, acts like a girl, as sexy as a girl, who the fuck cares. We are just people on the internet, its not like we're broadcasted live. When it comes to looks vs. genetics, looks wins by a long shot. If Beyonce had a dick, 99.9% of the guys in the world would still hit it, guaranteed wether they'd admit it or not. Even one of my friends said something like "I heard ciara had a dick, but I still would hit it". That goes to show the hotter the TS is, the more likely to get some from more guys who may not be into this sort of thing.

[MacShreach]

Well if I see a chick that's fine with a nice ass and I find out she's got a dick, I would still shove my dick in her ass until she screams. Why? Because if it looks like a girl, acts like a girl, as sexy as a girl, who the fuck cares. We are just people on the internet, its not like we're broadcasted live. When it comes to looks vs. genetics, looks wins by a long shot. If Beyonce had a dick, 99.9% of the guys in the world would still hit it, guaranteed wether they'd admit it or not. Even one of my friends said something like "I heard ciara had a dick, but I still would hit it". That goes to show the hotter the TS is, the more likely to get some from more guys who may not be into this sort of thing. :rock2 :rock2 :rock2

[scroller]

I come here because of the community now, please don't question me on my motives. I have been honest enough to share my reasons why I joined, and how I have now changed. I have nothing to lie about!

I have people I like here, I like the forum and the poster populous is so diverse and interesting, no other forum seems to compare. Plus, lets face it the drama is nothing short of fantastic :wink:

As for the pics of big cocks, they have no purpose or hold no interest for me now.


That doesn't make any sense. There are communities and forums and diverse posting populations all over the internet. Why do you only come to the one dedicated to people who are "Hung"?

How can you maintain the handle "LUST4TS" and maintain that you're repulsed by cocks? That's just utterly a contradiction.

[Night Rider]

There are communities and forums and diverse posting populations all over the internet. Why do you only come to the one dedicated to people who are "Hung"?

I don't know any that would even come close to this in terms of fun. We're not all here for the cock. I'd hate to be the one that breaks it to you but 80% of the girls here want SRS so what are you gonna do when that happens?

[mbf]

I come here because of the community now, please don't question me on my motives. I have been honest enough to share my reasons why I joined, and how I have now changed. I have nothing to lie about!

I have people I like here, I like the forum and the poster populous is so diverse and interesting, no other forum seems to compare. Plus, lets face it the drama is nothing short of fantastic :wink:

As for the pics of big cocks, they have no purpose or hold no interest for me now.


That doesn't make any sense. There are communities and forums and diverse posting populations all over the internet. Why do you only come to the one dedicated to people who are "Hung"?

How can you maintain the handle "LUST4TS" and maintain that you're repulsed by cocks? That's just utterly a contradiction.

Let me comment on lust4ts behalf:

do you actually read what you quote and comment on?

He gave detailed information why he visits this forum.
Furthermore, he never said he is "repulsed by cocks" - just read it again.

If there is a contradiction visible here, it´s you reading something into a poster`s comment which absolutely isn`t there.

Additionally, you dont seem to be a very active member. Maybe your main interest are indeed the pix, which is fine. But don`t assume you main motivation to visit this forum is identical with other people, for example lust4ts. It`s not that big of a deal, nevertheless many people seem to forget that.

[lust4ts]

I come here because of the community now, please don't question me on my motives. I have been honest enough to share my reasons why I joined, and how I have now changed. I have nothing to lie about!

I have people I like here, I like the forum and the poster populous is so diverse and interesting, no other forum seems to compare. Plus, lets face it the drama is nothing short of fantastic :wink:

As for the pics of big cocks, they have no purpose or hold no interest for me now.


That doesn't make any sense. There are communities and forums and diverse posting populations all over the internet. Why do you only come to the one dedicated to people who are "Hung"?

How can you maintain the handle "LUST4TS" and maintain that you're repulsed by cocks? That's just utterly a contradiction.

Let me comment on lust4ts behalf:

do you actually read what you quote and comment on?

He gave detailed information why he visits this forum.
Furthermore, he never said he is "repulsed by cocks" - just read it again.

If there is a contradiction visible here, it´s you reading something into a poster`s comment which absolutely isn`t there.

Additionally, you dont seem to be a very active member. Maybe your main interest are indeed the pix, which is fine. But don`t assume you main motivation to visit this forum is identical with other people, for example lust4ts. It`s not that big of a deal, nevertheless many people seem to forget that.


Steve has pretty much covered it, but to add –

Scroller, what is it you are failing to understand? The fact that I am different to you? Or the words I have used to illustrate my point?

To answer your first question, which incidentally I feel I already have more than sufficiently thus so far, why should I look for another forum when only my motivations have changed and my overall attraction has not?

Going by your comment, “How can you maintain the handle "LUST4TS", this is where you are going very wrong. Now if my handle was lust4cock (emphasis on the lower case), or lust4tscock, or even possibly lust4shecock. The list could go on……..I think you see where I am going? Then your comment may hold relevance but as it is abundantly clear that a TS is much more than just a cock, and unless you feel otherwise, you must concede that your point renders its self somewhat invalid from the outset.

This goes back to my original point, a point that you have seemingly failed to grasp until now, maybe this will be the clincher? Here’s hoping! Yes my original attraction to Transgender people mainly pertained to the genitalia, along with their feminine beauty of course, but YES, mostly the fact that pretty figure had a penis, if I am being entirely honest.

Now, as I have said the penis is not a discerning factor in my attraction anyMORE. I see TS’s (Pre-OP or Post-OP) as being no different to any other women. I hold them in no less, or higher regard. They are simply all women, cock or not, it really makes no difference. Do cocks repulse me now? No, do they excite me now? No. Do women excite me? Yes absolutely, and as I have previously stated I view Trans-women simply as women……….I think there you have your answer!

Finally, as for there being lots of forums like this one, I beg to differ. Ask any of the long time contributors and posters, and I am referring to the ones who see this place as more than just a place to look at pictures of pretty girls with cocks, and I am willing to bet that most of them will tell you this place is unique. I guess that comes down to the Mods and their lenient approach to what is tolerated here, that is one of HA’s best qualities. Half the stuff that goes on here would be prohibited at a large number of other boards. As TJ often says, as much as people moan about the drama, it is a huge part of what brings people back time after time, myself included.

I hope at least now you understand my position? If not well I guess you are just stupid after all, and that I am afraid I can’t help you with!

[scroller]

I don't know any that would even come close to this in terms of fun. We're not all here for the cock. I'd hate to be the one that breaks it to you but 80% of the girls here want SRS so what are you gonna do when that happens?

That's easy. When they have SRS, then they leave this site (or do you have counterexamples?). I'll be here appreciating the chicks that are "Hung", as ever.

I do admit to wishing that there was some completely different site with a theme of "TS Getting Rid of All Manly Qualities" so we didn't have to deal with the bipolar split-personality aspects here at HA. (Come for the cocks, which we all hate and want rid of.) Heck, maybe something like that exists, but since it's of no interest to me, I don't go searching for it.

[lust4ts]

It seems my explanation was sufficient enough for you this time Scroller!............................

[MacShreach]

I don't know any that would even come close to this in terms of fun. We're not all here for the cock. I'd hate to be the one that breaks it to you but 80% of the girls here want SRS so what are you gonna do when that happens?

That's easy. When they have SRS, then they leave this site (or do you have counterexamples?). I'll be here appreciating the chicks that are "Hung", as ever.

I do admit to wishing that there was some completely different site with a theme of "TS Getting Rid of All Manly Qualities" so we didn't have to deal with the bipolar split-personality aspects here at HA. (Come for the cocks, which we all hate and want rid of.) Heck, maybe something like that exists, but since it's of no interest to me, I don't go searching for it.

Yup. So the girls are just things to hang cocks on for you. Doesn't matter of they're pretty, nice people, fun, intelligent, witty....once the cock is gone you want rid of them as quickly as possible. Nice.

I don't see any "split-personality aspects" here. I see a bunch of male cowards narrow-mindedly whining when someone they have been masturbating over achieves her life ambition. Cowards? Yes-- people like you would never have the guts to put yourselves through what a TS woman has to go through, but you bitch and snipe and demean the girls as if they were just pieces of meat created for your personal sexual gratification.

There are a million and one gay sites for people whose only interest is cock, so instead of suggesting other people should go somewhere else, why don't you?

[Night Rider]

That's easy. When they have SRS, then they leave this site (or do you have counterexamples?)

I've only been here a short while but peggygee has had SRS and she's stayed around. I don't think that once the girls ditch their cocks they'll never post again, that doesn't make any sense.

[MrsKellyPierce]

My beautiful friend Vanessa was on here from England, and members ran her off.

[Night Rider]

post-op?

If she was it wouldn't surprise me with the cockhounds here

[MacShreach]

My beautiful friend Vanessa was on here from England, and members ran her off.

Did they? I wasn't here, or at least I don't remember it. Misogyny runs rife in this place, unfortunately.

[MacShreach]

post-op?

If she was it wouldn't surprise me with the cockhounds here

She's a post-op and the bastards ran her off? NOW I'm annoyed.

[obsesedinok]

If you want to do bottom with a man your gay. If you want to top a man you may be gay.

If you don't care who or what your just a slut (male or female) but you've doubled your chances at getting laid on Saturday night.

If you only want to top a TS chances are your going home alone.

[tollroad]

Yup. So the girls are just things to hang cocks on for you. Doesn't matter of they're pretty, nice people, fun, intelligent, witty....once the cock is gone you want rid of them as quickly as possible. Nice.

I don't see any "split-personality aspects" here. I see a bunch of male cowards narrow-mindedly whining when someone they have been masturbating over achieves her life ambition. Cowards? Yes-- people like you would never have the guts to put yourselves through what a TS woman has to go through, but you bitch and snipe and demean the girls as if they were just pieces of meat created for your personal sexual gratification.

There are a million and one gay sites for people whose only interest is cock, so instead of suggesting other people should go somewhere else, why don't you?

:claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps:

[MacShreach]

If you only want to top a TS chances are your going home alone. :mrgreen:

[Chaotic]

I don't know any that would even come close to this in terms of fun. We're not all here for the cock. I'd hate to be the one that breaks it to you but 80% of the girls here want SRS so what are you gonna do when that happens?

That's easy. When they have SRS, then they leave this site (or do you have counterexamples?). I'll be here appreciating the chicks that are "Hung", as ever.

I do admit to wishing that there was some completely different site with a theme of "TS Getting Rid of All Manly Qualities" so we didn't have to deal with the bipolar split-personality aspects here at HA. (Come for the cocks, which we all hate and want rid of.) Heck, maybe something like that exists, but since it's of no interest to me, I don't go searching for it.

Yup. So the girls are just things to hang cocks on for you. Doesn't matter of they're pretty, nice people, fun, intelligent, witty....once the cock is gone you want rid of them as quickly as possible. Nice.

I don't see any "split-personality aspects" here. I see a bunch of male cowards narrow-mindedly whining when someone they have been masturbating over achieves her life ambition. Cowards? Yes-- people like you would never have the guts to put yourselves through what a TS woman has to go through, but you bitch and snipe and demean the girls as if they were just pieces of meat created for your personal sexual gratification.

There are a million and one gay sites for people whose only interest is cock, so instead of suggesting other people should go somewhere else, why don't you?

Well said, Mac! :rock2 :rock2

What slays me about the "knob-goblins" is that they seem to think that measuring a t-girl's worth by slapping a tape measure on her cock is some selfless act of appreciation! You "knob-goblins" can keep telling yourselves that bullshit until you believe it, just don't expect all of us to. :smh

[MacShreach]

LOL @ "knob-goblins"-- cause they're always gobblin' knob?

I'm gonna remember that one. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[MacShreach]

I've only been here a short while but peggygee has had SRS and she's stayed around. I don't think that once the girls ditch their cocks they'll never post again, that doesn't make any sense.

The cock-whores discourage them. Peggy is a wonderful exception who should be treasured.

The girls know most of the men here are just gays who lack the moral fibre to admit what they are. Sure some of them fuck these guys to fund their transitions and good luck to them but the girls are not stupid. They know a cockhound has no interest in a person without a penis.

They see how it is, the chorus of disapproval every time a girl gets SRS. What possible use has a woman for men whose only interest is cock?

[Chaotic]

LOL @ "knob-goblins"-- cause they're always gobblin' knob?

I'm gonna remember that one. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sounds about right! :twisted:

;)

[Chaotic]

I've only been here a short while but peggygee has had SRS and she's stayed around. I don't think that once the girls ditch their cocks they'll never post again, that doesn't make any sense.

The cock-whores discourage them. Peggy is a wonderful exception who should be treasured.

The girls know most of the men here are just gays who lack the moral fibre to admit what they are. Sure some of them fuck these guys to fund their transitions and good luck to them but the girls are not stupid. They know a cockhound has no interest in a person without a penis.

They see how it is, the chorus of disapproval every time a girl gets SRS. What possible use has a woman for men whose only interest is cock?

Exactly! What trans-woman wants to waste her time with some knob-goblin who's gonna be gone once her cock is?

As far as I understand things, an interest in a male sex orgen IS gay, whilst an interest in a beautiful woman, that happens to be transgenedered, isn't.

[MacShreach]

As far as I understand things, an interest in a male sex orgen IS gay, whilst an interest in a beautiful woman, that happens to be transgenedered, isn't.

:rock2

[scroller]

Yup. So the girls are just things to hang cocks on for you. Doesn't matter of they're pretty, nice people, fun, intelligent, witty....once the cock is gone you want rid of them as quickly as possible. Nice...

There are a million and one gay sites for people whose only interest is cock, so instead of suggesting other people should go somewhere else, why don't you?

Total and complete nonsense. I've never asked for anyone to leave. I've never hassled peggygee, if you're telling me she's the only post-op on these boards (or anyone else, for that matter). The only thing I've ever said is "Gee, I'll miss her," when someone gets SRS and inevitably disappears from these boards. The fact that you guys get rabidly upset at the "I'll miss her" is certainly the most amazing aspect of these forums.

The name of these forums is "HungAngels" and sure, that's the most interesting and attractive thing to me. If we all have to take a pledge of allegiance that "I'm on HungAngels but I swear I hate looking at cocks," then yeah, I'll leave as soon as (a) the name of the board changes to reflect that, and (b) all the ads featuring shemales topping guys are removed from the front page.

How about you start a poll and ask "For those of you planning on getting SRS, will you leave these forums afterwards, Yes/No?" It certainly seems like the desire for SRS -> being "normal" (quoting from girls in other thread) -> leaving the "scene" -> leaving this forum all go hand-in-hand, do they not?

[scroller]

It seems my explanation was sufficient enough for you this time Scroller!............................

If you're determined to make a case out of it then frankly: No, you're not making any sense. You're rambling and incoherent on the issue.

[salvador]

I was attracted to Hung females long before I even knew there was any.
I used to draw pictures of them for my human anatomy studies.

Think about it .

[lust4ts]

It seems my explanation was sufficient enough for you this time Scroller!............................

If you're determined to make a case out of it then frankly: No, you're not making any sense. You're rambling and incoherent on the issue.

Everyone else seems to concur and understand what I am implying, so perhaps my assessment was correct after all, you really are stupid :roll

Please............

[MacShreach]

How can you maintain the handle "LUST4TS" and maintain that you're repulsed by cocks? That's just utterly a contradiction.

No it's not. Perhaps he likes the way they look, or maybe he likes post-ops. Maybe the concept turns him on. Maybe he met some TS women and liked them. Unless you're gay, dick obsession is not a requirement. It's a choice.

[MacShreach]

when someone gets SRS and inevitably disappears from these boards.

Why "inevitably?" It's true, but why? Could it be because they know perfectly well that they will not be welcome here afterwards, because of the dick obsession on the part of most of the men here?

I have taken the liberty of quoting something Julie said in another thread, I hope she won't mind:


I cant stand it when guys say "dont do it!!!!!!".

Boy that must make a girl feel soooo good about herself. Now I am not suggesting that you are one of the shit-flies who say these things, but I do think you are contributing to the problem by not condemning them outright, and instead suggesting that it would be better for the rest of us to go elsewhere so the cockhounds can get on with the unedifying business of slobbering over penises in peace.

As far as I am concerned, in the context of this board, "Hung" means both present and past, and unless NYCe tells me otherwise, that's the way it's gonna stay, and I'll be damned if I'll go elsewhere because the cockwhores don't like me.

And if I annoy them, so much the better.

[KiraHarden]

This thread will never die

[MacShreach]

Total and complete nonsense.

Uhuh. And SIX edits so far on the content. Woo, your credibility is slipping, sparky.

[MacShreach]

This thread will never die

Mornin' babe, so true, so true... 8)

[mbf]

This thread will never die

yes, especially if old bullshit is beeing repeated ad infinitum. :roll:

[KiraHarden]

This thread will never die

Mornin' babe, so true, so true... 8)
Good Morning! Im going to try to sleep some more. Its 4am here.. bye bye.... Oops I just hijacked a cock bandit thread... I'm sorry cock bandits :oops:

[lust4ts]

How can you maintain the handle "LUST4TS" and maintain that you're repulsed by cocks? That's just utterly a contradiction.

No it's not. Perhaps he likes the way they look, or maybe he likes post-ops. Maybe the concept turns him on. Maybe he met some TS women and liked them. Unless you're gay, dick obsession is not a requirement. It's a choice.


I've already explained it more than clearly!


Going by your comment, “How can you maintain the handle "LUST4TS", this is where you are going very wrong. Now if my handle was lust4cock (emphasis on the lower case), or lust4tscock, or even possibly lust4shecock. The list could go on……..I think you see where I am going? Then your comment may hold relevance but as it is abundantly clear that a TS is much more than just a cock, and unless you feel otherwise, you must concede that your point renders its self somewhat invalid from the outset.

It's obvious by his statement that it is a simple a equation for Scroller, TS = Cock, and nothing else :roll:

[MacShreach]

..

I'm just exercising my right to use your post to make some points of my own. I'm not backing you up or anything. I am possibly traducing you. But this is the internet.

I see you have had something of a change of heart since you arrived and you have clearly, at least according to your posts, been considering some interesting issues. Good.

[Night Rider]

How can you maintain the handle "LUST4TS", this is where you are going very wrong

The name lust4ts has absolutely nothing to do with a cock, there are post-op transsexuals too. Even if it did, you can't change your screen name so wtf are you talking about?

If the guy doesn't like cock any more, why is that such a big problem to you? He was man enough to admit that he was attracted to the concept when he first came on the scene, and then over time it became less important to the point when it actually turned him off.

[peggygee]

I've only been here a short while but peggygee has had SRS and she's stayed around. I don't think that once the girls ditch their cocks they'll never post again, that doesn't make any sense.

The cock-whores discourage them. Peggy is a wonderful exception who should be treasured.

The girls know most of the men here are just gays who lack the moral fibre to admit what they are. Sure some of them fuck these guys to fund their transitions and good luck to them but the girls are not stupid. They know a cockhound has no interest in a person without a penis.

They see how it is, the chorus of disapproval every time a girl gets SRS. What possible use has a woman for men whose only interest is cock?

Mac, I'm just seeing this post, and I thank you for your compliment.

You are spot on in you sentiment that the transcommunity is a very
hostile environment to the post operative woman.

Sadly the hostility comes from male and female alike.

I am here primarily to educate, advocate, and sometimes agitate.

Other than that I would be 'herstory'. :shrug

[SmashysmashY]

I would say that the person who pursues transsexuals and is not interested in cock is involved in even more questionable and bizarre behavior than the person who is obsessed with cock. At least the cock obsessed person has a clear motivation.

The person with no interest in cock is directing sexual attention toward people who are not only decidedly more masculine than any other women but also more difficult to find. Then after they find this person that they went through so much trouble to locate (when they could have just dated a gg that was less feminine to begin with) they now have to deal with the fact that their new sex partner has sexual organs that they have no interest in even touching.

From my perspective the person is either completely full of shit or they have some really very serious issues with gender and sexuality that can’t be solved on "hungangels".

[Night Rider]

I've only been here a short while but peggygee has had SRS and she's stayed around. I don't think that once the girls ditch their cocks they'll never post again, that doesn't make any sense.

The cock-whores discourage them. Peggy is a wonderful exception who should be treasured.

The girls know most of the men here are just gays who lack the moral fibre to admit what they are. Sure some of them fuck these guys to fund their transitions and good luck to them but the girls are not stupid. They know a cockhound has no interest in a person without a penis.

They see how it is, the chorus of disapproval every time a girl gets SRS. What possible use has a woman for men whose only interest is cock?

Mac, I'm just seeing this post, and I thank you for your compliment.

You are spot on in you sentiment that the transcommunity is a very
hostile environment to the post operative woman.

Sadly the hostility comes from male and female alike.

I am here primarily to educate, advocate, and sometimes agitate.

Other than that I would be 'herstory'. :shrug

Just seeing this post also...I agree with both of you.

[tollroad]

Stop insulting all pre-ops with this "if you don't have a neovagina, you're not a woman" bullshit of yours.

You should not allow reality to enrage you. Facts are facts.

[Don Ho]

I would say that the person who pursues transsexuals and is not interested in cock is involved in even more questionable and bizarre behavior than the person who is obsessed with cock. At least the cock obsessed person has a clear motivation.

The person with no interest in cock is directing sexual attention toward people who are not only decidedly more masculine than any other women but also more difficult to find. Then after they find this person that they went through so much trouble to locate (when they could have just dated a gg that was less feminine to begin with) they now have to deal with the fact that their new sex partner has sexual organs that they have no interest in even touching.

From my perspective the person is either completely full of shit or they have some really very serious issues with gender and sexuality that can’t be solved on "hungangels". You hit the nail right on the head. Finally someone who doesn't bullshit. If you guys aren't interested in the fact that the the girl has a cock then why come to this site?

[MacShreach]

If you guys aren't interested in the fact that the the girl has a cock then why come to this site?


Ass-kissing a troll will gain you few friends here, junior.


And if you're so interested in cock why don't you go to a gay site? 'Cause if you don't like the fact that there are people here who are not interested in cock, if it bothers you, if the presence of people like me make you feel like a poof, tough fucking titty, because that's the way it is, noob.

[SmashysmashY]

I would say that the person who pursues transsexuals and is not interested in cock is involved in even more questionable and bizarre behavior than the person who is obsessed with cock. At least the cock obsessed person has a clear motivation.

The person with no interest in cock is directing sexual attention toward people who are not only decidedly more masculine than any other women but also more difficult to find. Then after they find this person that they went through so much trouble to locate (when they could have just dated a gg that was less feminine to begin with) they now have to deal with the fact that their new sex partner has sexual organs that they have no interest in even touching.

From my perspective the person is either completely full of shit or they have some really very serious issues with gender and sexuality that can’t be solved on "hungangels". You hit the nail right on the head. Finally someone who doesn't bullshit. If you guys aren't interested in the fact that the the girl has a cock then why come to this site?

unfortunately some posters on this site are so pathetic that they are willing to tell any lie to themselves or others to validate their behavior. i call it macshreachery

[macfan]

I simply don't understand why many of the guys on this site seem intent on continuing to put forth this notion that ladies who are TS would somehow be proud for you to suck them off, they aren't. If you are a cock chaser then that is your thing, so be it.

The makeup of the majority of TG ladies is that they are very femme and sub when it comes to sexuality, they therefore don't take to guys just intent on sucking them dry and then wanting them to fuck them as well. That is not the guys that they find appealing for any relationship from what I gather. Are there exceptions of course like anything in life, to each his own. I for one am a dominant hetero male who enjoys TG ladies and don't give a damn about their penis. I enjoy so much more about them, and won't be running for their crotch. I take it some dudes are just peeved that many ladies are saying cockhunters are not their thing in a relationship. You want dick then pay and rightly so, but please how hard is it to understand that they are feminine and want to be treated like that in sexual roles in a relationship. If they want you to suck them then that is fine, but thinking that they desire your lips wrapped around their cock is rather presumptious to say the least.

[SmashysmashY]

yes you are a dominant hetero male and being such you must seek out the most masculine women you can find to sexually dominate because dominating a very feminine natural female would be too easy and therefore not representative of your full dominating potential.

[macfan]

I would say that the person who pursues transsexuals and is not interested in cock is involved in even more questionable and bizarre behavior than the person who is obsessed with cock. At least the cock obsessed person has a clear motivation.

The person with no interest in cock is directing sexual attention toward people who are not only decidedly more masculine than any other women but also more difficult to find. Then after they find this person that they went through so much trouble to locate (when they could have just dated a gg that was less feminine to begin with) they now have to deal with the fact that their new sex partner has sexual organs that they have no interest in even touching.

From my perspective the person is either completely full of shit or they have some really very serious issues with gender and sexuality that can’t be solved on "hungangels". You hit the nail right on the head. Finally someone who doesn't bullshit. If you guys aren't interested in the fact that the the girl has a cock then why come to this site?

unfortunately some posters on this site are so pathetic that they are willing to tell any lie to themselves or others to validate their behavior. i call it macshreachery

You see this is your major issue guy, you have made a couple of posts like this recently where you try to compare the GG with the TG and uses their penis as a shortcoming of them for any guy that desires them without wanting to knob(suck) them off. No one says that because you are a dominant, hetero male you think the penis is cooties, but its just not the focus of my intimacy and attraction to the TG and that is the difference. I use my imagination in many more ways. I enjoy seducing a TG, I enjoy her shape if she is very femme and passable, I enjoy looking into her eyes and seeing here softness, and yes I enjoy fucking her as well and seeing her expression :).

I beg to differ that the difference is that while you view her as a soft, femme, being with a dick that you can suck and possbiley fuck you, I view here as a soft, femme lady that stimulates my emotions and will treat me like a man and respond to me as such. The differences in these two views is that one recognizes and accepts her submissiveness as a woman and the other goes against that grain of what appeals to most TG when it comes to men and the relationships with them.

Admiring the cock does not endear one to the ladies and if that is the clear motivation as you claim above then it sets off a nice spotlight on what has been rehashed many times by some of the ladies on here about what guys like these are all about. Your notion that someone who isn't interested in cock from a TG is somehow involved in questionable and bizzare behaviour is utter bollocks. Use your imagination guy it might make you realize their is more to cock with these ladies. That is the point I think you are yet to meet.

[macfan]

yes you are a dominant hetero male and being such you must seek out the most masculine women you can find to sexually dominate because dominating a very feminine natural female would be too easy and therefore not representative of your full dominating potential.

Damn skippy, or maybe I should just plunge for the penis on the other hand, right. Don't take it personal because the ladies aren't stumbling over for cock chasers. I love how you term them masculine women, you are a classic riot. Just the epitome of a true dick fiend. Masculine women, what a crock. according to your logic I should be all over a female body builder.

[jjjohnson]

Hi I'm new here, I felt driven into registering so I could post as an outsider looking in.

I tell you what I was so surprised and pleased to find a community out there dedicated to transsexuals. Then when I started reading through the posts I was so surprised and disappointed to read people so eager to point the finger at each other and define them as gay or not gay.

You know what, being gay is probably the least of my worries, if getting so aroused by such beautiful and sexually excited transsexuals makes me gay then you know what tattoo it on my forehead I don't care about being labeled because I love it.

Anyway the point I really want to make is people keep speaking for others, saying transexuals like this, and that, and you should like this not that. I know it sounds corny but we're all individuals in the end and have our own preferences, we should just respect each other for that instead of wasting time pointing the finger and arguing.

[SmashysmashY]

if you're not hungry then you don't go to a restaurant. if you are attracted to transsexuals only for the qualities that they share with natural women then guess what, you could just date a female. beyond that you could find a female that is more attractive and you could do it easier than you could find a ts.

if you go after transsexuals because they possess some quality that ggs don't then i have to wonder what it is because according to you it is not the penis and it is not the fact that they are more masculine because as you said you don't date female bodybuilders. so what's left for it to be friend? is it that you absolutely must date a person with gender dysphoria? do you need the person that you spend your intimate time with to have a sex organ that they don't want and you don't need so that you have some common point of disgust about their body? the behavior is questionable and bizarre if you consider the person's motivation, behavior and options.

[macfan]

Hi I'm new here, I felt driven into registering so I could post as an outsider looking in.

I tell you what I was so surprised and pleased to find a community out there dedicated to transsexuals. Then when I started reading through the posts I was so surprised and disappointed to read people so eager to point the finger at each other and define them as gay or not gay.

You know what, being gay is probably the least of my worries, if getting so aroused by such beautiful and sexually excited transsexuals makes me gay then you know what tattoo it on my forehead I don't care about being labeled because I love it.

Anyway the point I really want to make is people keep speaking for others, saying transexuals like this, and that, and you should like this not that. I know it sounds corny but we're all individuals in the end and have our own preferences, we should just respect each other for that instead of wasting time pointing the finger and arguing.

My response was simply to this dude above that somehow asserted and reached the conclusion that if you aren't into the TS for her dick then you must have some questionable and bizzare behavior for why that is the case. If a person is gay, I have zero issues with that, doesn't affect me one bit. What i detest is those who may chase a TS just to suck the dick assumming that those who don't do so must be some oddball. When he referenced them as the most manly women, that summed up what I suspected about his understanding of TGism. Would like to reiterate I have nothing against a gay person under any condition, I just hope he realizes that one can be into a TG for more than her cock or her being the most manly woman, whatever that meant. Sounds like something a dickhead on the streets would shout out.

[SmashysmashY]

Hi I'm new here, I felt driven into registering so I could post as an outsider looking in.

I tell you what I was so surprised and pleased to find a community out there dedicated to transsexuals. Then when I started reading through the posts I was so surprised and disappointed to read people so eager to point the finger at each other and define them as gay or not gay.

You know what, being gay is probably the least of my worries, if getting so aroused by such beautiful and sexually excited transsexuals makes me gay then you know what tattoo it on my forehead I don't care about being labeled because I love it.

Anyway the point I really want to make is people keep speaking for others, saying transexuals like this, and that, and you should like this not that. I know it sounds corny but we're all individuals in the end and have our own preferences, we should just respect each other for that instead of wasting time pointing the finger and arguing.

if you think you are going to avoid the gay issue on this forum you are sorely mistaken. people on this website will jump up and down and scream from the rooftops that they are not gay at the same time they are chasing someone with a square jaw and broad shoulders that wears a size 43 shoe saying it's the prettiest "girl" they've ever seen.

[Night Rider]

So said guy wants to live out his fantasies about having a big ass, big titty'd girl putting her big 10 incher up his ass. Maybe he even wants more debauchery with himself gettin dick slapped, cummed on, piss on.........the works. So what. That in itself doesn't make him gay....what it makes.....it makes HIS fantasy.

You hypocrites have nerve, as if you putting your p33n in someones RECTUM makes you less gay.

[macfan]

if you're not hungry then you don't go to a restaurant. if you are attracted to transsexuals only for the qualities that they share with natural women then guess what, you could just date a female. beyond that you could find a female that is more attractive and you could do it easier than you could find a ts.

if you go after transsexuals because they possess some quality that ggs don't then i have to wonder what it is because according to you it is not the penis and it is not the fact that they are more masculine because as you said you don't date female bodybuilders. so what's left for it to be friend? is it that you absolutely must date a person with gender dysphoria? do you need the person that you spend your intimate time with to have a sex organ that they don't want and you don't need so that you have some common point of disgust about their body? the behavior is questionable and bizarre if you consider the person's motivation, behavior and options.

Just give it a rest guy, you have made an @$$ of yourself already with some of your references to TG ladies, you have a different view of what they represent than I do, clearly. I would like to see where I expressed any disgust for body within a common point. I clearly stated I don't crave their penis, try to study Transgenderism and you may gain a little more understanding of the subject. Judging from some of your comments I doubt you give a shit.

All you keep doing is regurgitating the same comments, please tell me what is this secret motivation, behavior and options that you keep rambling on about that guys who don't crave a relationship with a TG for her penis. You will be hardpressed because it is pure B.S.

I'm sorry to say this but I must, I have the distinct feeling you would suck me off if you had the chance to, that is the impression I get when it comes to your feelings about TG ladies and their penises.

[hwbs]

You don't say.....Lots of guys here like cocks on their TS's???!!!??? :shock:


Why does it bother you people so much?


I think it's totally ridiculous to talk shit about the fantasies of someone on a fucking porn site. HA. Not just a porn site mind you, but a TRANSSEXUAL web site at that.

So said guy wants to live out his fantasies about having a big ass, big titty'd girl putting her big 10 incher up his ass. Maybe he even wants more debauchery with himself gettin dick slapped, cummed on, piss on.........the works. So what. That in itself doesn't make him gay....what it makes.....it makes HIS fantasy.

You hypocrites have nerve, as if you putting your p33n in someones RECTUM makes you less gay.

And the girls on this site come off even worse. You would think a TS girl would know better, considering that, SURPRISE......you were born a man.


I don't claim to have the HOLY GRAIL answer as to what really makes someone gay or not, especially since the definition seems to change every few years, but I will privy this, None of you here, myself included, have it either.


it all boils down to these other people are uncomfortable with their sexuality ...u say ur top and think u are better than the vers or bottom guy ? wrong !!!!!!!! people are scarred of people that are different than them sexually...i know personally a lot of posters here that say they are the alpha male but are the biggest closet bottom boys...but i am not up to flame wars...deep down i know the truth of many a poster !!!! but unlike others , there will be no hints dropped by me...with great power comes great responsibility !!!!

[SmashysmashY]

Just give it a rest guy, you have made an @$$ of yourself already with some of your references to TG ladies, you have a different view of what they represent than I do, clearly. I would like to see where I expressed any disgust for body within a common point. I clearly stated I don't crave their penis, try to study Transgenderism and you may gain a little more understanding of the subject. Judging from some of your comments I doubt you give a shit.

All you keep doing is regurgitating the same comments, please tell me what is this secret motivation, behavior and options that you keep rambling on about that guys who don't crave a relationship with a TG for her penis. You will be hardpressed because it is pure B.S.

I'm sorry to say this but I must, I have the distinct feeling you would suck me off if you had the chance to, that is the impression I get when it comes to your feelings about TG ladies and their penises.

i probably shouldn't respond to you because you've already reduced yourself to insults which tells me that you are frustrated. but there is a very clear discrepancy between your stated motivation and your behavior. i've pointed it out several times already.

yet you insist that your behavior is not bizarre when it obviously does not follow logically from what you claim your motivations to be. now you want me to teach you what your real motivations are instead of taking an introspective look at yourself and honestly assessing the implications of our own actions. this is a joke right?

[MacShreach]

Use your imagination guy it might make you realize their is more to cock with these ladies. That is the point I think you are yet to meet.

Hi macfan. The troll you are talking to (whose posts I don't see BTW) is obviously a gay nazi troll and as such has no idea whatsoever of how men and women relate to each other, since he only knows how gay men relate to each other. You make many valid points about the nature of the relationship between men and women, which any normal man would recognise, but because the troll is a homosexual man they are completely beyond his understanding.

This must indeed be a bizarre and confusing place for him. He sees TS women as men, so he simply cannot understand anyone relating to a TS woman as a woman. It's outside his sphere of comprehension, so he has to invent all these ludicrous, absurd notions.

Why? Easy. For one thing the troll is homosexual, and he knows that TS women do not like homosexual men. This makes no sense to him, since as far as he is concerned, TS women are just other men, and therefore by definition, if they are attracted to men, homosexual men. So their rejection of him makes him bitter and angry.

As well as this, the troll sees TS women as competition for the interest of men. This is intolerable for him-- he cannot understand why you and I would want to bed a TS woman, but would run a mile if he made a proposition to us. He hopes that if he can persuade everyone else that TS women are men and that the men who are interested in them are gay, then he will stand a chance.

The troll is rejected by both the TS women and the men, and this has made him bitter, angry and twisted.

I do have to say he's not alone. I have been really shocked over the last couple of years by the number of men here who think like the troll, and whom some of them are. This place is crawling with them.



:shrug

[SmashysmashY]

macshreachery at it's finest. pathetic denial from an aging closet case. i'm sorry but i just have to call a bitch a bitch.

[macfan]

Use your imagination guy it might make you realize their is more to cock with these ladies. That is the point I think you are yet to meet.

Hi macfan. The troll you are talking to (whose posts I don't see BTW) is obviously a gay nazi troll and as such has no idea whatsoever of how men and women relate to each other, since he only knows how gay men relate to each other. You make many valid points about the nature of the relationship between men and women, which any normal man would recognise, but because the troll is a homosexual man they are completely beyond his understanding.

This must indeed be a bizarre and confusing place for him. He sees TS women as men, so he simply cannot understand anyone relating to a TS woman as a woman. It's outside his sphere of comprehension, so he has to invent all these ludicrous, absurd notions.

Why? Easy. For one thing the troll is homosexual, and he knows that TS women do not like homosexual men. This makes no sense to him, since as far as he is concerned, TS women are just other men, and therefore by definition, if they are attracted to men, homosexual men. So their rejection of him makes him bitter and angry.

As well as this, the troll sees TS women as competition for the interest of men. This is intolerable for him-- he cannot understand why you and I would want to bed a TS woman, but would run a mile if he made a proposition to us. He hopes that if he can persuade everyone else that TS women are men and that the men who are interested in them are gay, then he will stand a chance.

The troll is rejected by both the TS women and the men, and this has made him bitter, angry and twisted.

I do have to say he's not alone. I have been really shocked over the last couple of years by the number of men here who think like the troll, and whom some of them are. This place is crawling with them.



:shrug

I clearly picked up the vibe in his comments about TG women. The constant reference to them being men, broad shoulders, manly woman, etc. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the real deal. Like I said earlier if he is gay, that is his prerogative I won't attack him for that. He however continues to insist their is a secret motive for actually being involved with a TS and not fawing over the cock, now I see why he holds such a view if his history around here is such. As you can see I'm a noob in this forum and didn't know about him or wouldn't have even bothered to respond to such comments made about TG ladies in the first place.

[SmashysmashY]

surprise surprise. a second person who can neither explain nor deal with the implications of their actions commiserating with the first person. you two should rent a room and watch shemale porn together then have a long intimate discussion about how gay you aren't. then come back and post about it so i can have a good chuckle.

[MacShreach]

As you can see I'm a noob in this forum and didn't know about him or wouldn't have even bothered to respond to such comments made about TG ladies in the first place.

You seem to be doing okay so far.

FWIW (and sorry to repeat) if you want to be permanently done with the likes of the troll, and you are a Firefox user, you can install Greasemonkey and the Mondo Pita user script which will allow you to killfile all messages from your selected trolls.

Personally I think it's a testament to the good nature of most of the people here that although there are a number I disagree with and a few I actually dislike, there are only two members in my shitlist. You already know one of them.......

[peggygee]

I simply don't understand why many of the guys on this site seem intent on continuing to put forth this notion that ladies who are TS would somehow be proud for you to suck them off, they aren't. If you are a cock chaser then that is your thing, so be it.

The makeup of the majority of TG ladies is that they are very femme and sub when it comes to sexuality, they therefore don't take to guys just intent on sucking them dry and then wanting them to fuck them as well. That is not the guys that they find appealing for any relationship from what I gather. Are there exceptions of course like anything in life, to each his own. I for one am a dominant hetero male who enjoys TG ladies and don't give a damn about their penis. I enjoy so much more about them, and won't be running for their crotch. I take it some dudes are just peeved that many ladies are saying cockhunters are not their thing in a relationship. You want dick then pay and rightly so, but please how hard is it to understand that they are feminine and want to be treated like that in sexual roles in a relationship. If they want you to suck them then that is fine, but thinking that they desire your lips wrapped around their cock is rather presumptious to say the least.






I would say that the person who pursues transsexuals and is not interested in cock is involved in even more questionable and bizarre behavior than the person who is obsessed with cock. At least the cock obsessed person has a clear motivation.

The person with no interest in cock is directing sexual attention toward people who are not only decidedly more masculine than any other women but also more difficult to find. Then after they find this person that they went through so much trouble to locate (when they could have just dated a gg that was less feminine to begin with) they now have to deal with the fact that their new sex partner has sexual organs that they have no interest in even touching.

From my perspective the person is either completely full of shit or they have some really very serious issues with gender and sexuality that can’t be solved on "hungangels". You hit the nail right on the head. Finally someone who doesn't bullshit. If you guys aren't interested in the fact that the the girl has a cock then why come to this site?

unfortunately some posters on this site are so pathetic that they are willing to tell any lie to themselves or others to validate their behavior. i call it macshreachery

You see this is your major issue guy, you have made a couple of posts like this recently where you try to compare the GG with the TG and uses their penis as a shortcoming of them for any guy that desires them without wanting to knob(suck) them off. No one says that because you are a dominant, hetero male you think the penis is cooties, but its just not the focus of my intimacy and attraction to the TG and that is the difference. I use my imagination in many more ways. I enjoy seducing a TG, I enjoy her shape if she is very femme and passable, I enjoy looking into her eyes and seeing here softness, and yes I enjoy fucking her as well and seeing her expression :).

I beg to differ that the difference is that while you view her as a soft, femme, being with a dick that you can suck and possbiley fuck you, I view here as a soft, femme lady that stimulates my emotions and will treat me like a man and respond to me as such. The differences in these two views is that one recognizes and accepts her submissiveness as a woman and the other goes against that grain of what appeals to most TG when it comes to men and the relationships with them.

Admiring the cock does not endear one to the ladies and if that is the clear motivation as you claim above then it sets off a nice spotlight on what has been rehashed many times by some of the ladies on here about what guys like these are all about. Your notion that someone who isn't interested in cock from a TG is somehow involved in questionable and bizzare behaviour is utter bollocks. Use your imagination guy it might make you realize their is more to cock with these ladies. That is the point I think you are yet to meet.




Use your imagination guy it might make you realize their is more to cock with these ladies. That is the point I think you are yet to meet.

Hi macfan. The troll you are talking to (whose posts I don't see BTW) is obviously a gay nazi troll and as such has no idea whatsoever of how men and women relate to each other, since he only knows how gay men relate to each other. You make many valid points about the nature of the relationship between men and women, which any normal man would recognise, but because the troll is a homosexual man they are completely beyond his understanding.

This must indeed be a bizarre and confusing place for him. He sees TS women as men, so he simply cannot understand anyone relating to a TS woman as a woman. It's outside his sphere of comprehension, so he has to invent all these ludicrous, absurd notions.

Why? Easy. For one thing the troll is homosexual, and he knows that TS women do not like homosexual men. This makes no sense to him, since as far as he is concerned, TS women are just other men, and therefore by definition, if they are attracted to men, homosexual men. So their rejection of him makes him bitter and angry.

As well as this, the troll sees TS women as competition for the interest of men. This is intolerable for him-- he cannot understand why you and I would want to bed a TS woman, but would run a mile if he made a proposition to us. He hopes that if he can persuade everyone else that TS women are men and that the men who are interested in them are gay, then he will stand a chance.

The troll is rejected by both the TS women and the men, and this has made him bitter, angry and twisted.

I do have to say he's not alone. I have been really shocked over the last couple of years by the number of men here who think like the troll, and whom some of them are. This place is crawling with them.



:shrug

I'm definetely switching to Macs. :claps

Thanks to you two Macs representing, and telling it like it is.


http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/macversuspc.jpg

[lazyman]

You don't say.....Lots of guys here like cocks on their TS's???!!!??? :shock:


Why does it bother you people so much?


I think it's totally ridiculous to talk shit about the fantasies of someone on a fucking porn site. HA. Not just a porn site mind you, but a TRANSSEXUAL web site at that.

So said guy wants to live out his fantasies about having a big ass, big titty'd girl putting her big 10 incher up his ass. Maybe he even wants more debauchery with himself gettin dick slapped, cummed on, piss on.........the works. So what. That in itself doesn't make him gay....what it makes.....it makes HIS fantasy.

You hypocrites have nerve, as if you putting your p33n in someones RECTUM makes you less gay.

And the girls on this site come off even worse. You would think a TS girl would know better, considering that, SURPRISE......you were born a man.


I don't claim to have the HOLY GRAIL answer as to what really makes someone gay or not, especially since the definition seems to change every few years, but I will privy this, None of you here, myself included, have it either.


it all boils down to these other people are uncomfortable with their sexuality ...u say ur top and think u are better than the vers or bottom guy ? wrong !!!!!!!! people are scarred of people that are different than them sexually...i know personally a lot of posters here that say they are the alpha male but are the biggest closet bottom boys...but i am not up to flame wars...deep down i know the truth of many a poster !!!! but unlike others , there will be no hints dropped by me...with great power comes great responsibility !!!!

Why can't people just accept others' preferences? It's getting pathetic. Just because some people can't relate to being into TS women but not into cocks, doesn't give them a right to question other people being in that position.

I do agree that cock-fans shouldn't have to put up with abuse from others on this board, but they have a corresponding obligation to show respect in return to the tops. The ignorant psuedo-pshycoanalysis being peddled here is sickening, and particularly hypocritical from those engaging in a "niche" sexual orientation.

The true "fucking hypocrites" are the militant cock-fans who choose to pursue a particular, somewhat esoteric sexual interest while denying others the right identify their own, distinct orientation. Respect my preferences, don't try to force yours on me, and in return I'll respect you.

[macfan]

As you can see I'm a noob in this forum and didn't know about him or wouldn't have even bothered to respond to such comments made about TG ladies in the first place.

You seem to be doing okay so far.

FWIW (and sorry to repeat) if you want to be permanently done with the likes of the troll, and you are a Firefox user, you can install Greasemonkey and the Mondo Pita user script which will allow you to killfile all messages from your selected trolls.

Personally I think it's a testament to the good nature of most of the people here that although there are a number I disagree with and a few I actually dislike, there are only two members in my shitlist. You already know one of them.......

Gotcha, I am an easy going guy but had I known about him I would have ignored his first post I came across all together from the get go. Feels like I wasted about an hour of my life responding to someone who thought that way for a long time on the board.

[lazyman]

surprise surprise. a second person who can neither explain nor deal with the implications of their actions commiserating with the first person. you two should rent a room and watch shemale porn together then have a long intimate discussion about how gay you aren't. then come back and post about it so i can have a good chuckle.

You just can't bring yourself to accept it can you? The thought that someone might be into TS women for reasons other than those you have. Just grow up and stop trying to make everyone conform to your own sexual preferences.

[macfan]

I'm definetely switching to Macs. :claps

Thanks to you two Macs representing, and telling it like it is.


http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/macversuspc.jpg

Touché indeed. Can't go wrong :)

[MacShreach]

The true "fucking hypocrites" are the militant cock-fans who choose to pursue a particular, somewhat esoteric sexual interest while denying others the right identify their own, distinct orientation. Respect my preferences, don't try to force yours on me, and in return I'll respect you.

:rock2

[62des]

surprise surprise. a second person who can neither explain nor deal with the implications of their actions commiserating with the first person. you two should rent a room and watch shemale porn together then have a long intimate discussion about how gay you aren't. then come back and post about it so i can have a good chuckle.

You just can't bring yourself to accept it can you? The thought that someone might be into TS women for reasons other than those you have. Just grow up and stop trying to make everyone conform to your own sexual preferences.

That seems to be what a lot of gay guys on here is trying to do.

[SmashysmashY]

pointing out the obvious discrepancies between a persons behavior and statements requires no psychoanalysis. the best responses i've seen so far are that guy's an asshole or that guy is a homosexual therefore i don't need to look at my own actions. bravo.

[macfan]

The true "fucking hypocrites" are the militant cock-fans who choose to pursue a particular, somewhat esoteric sexual interest while denying others the right identify their own, distinct orientation. Respect my preferences, don't try to force yours on me, and in return I'll respect you.

Never have more truer words been spoken, I mean the notion that one could be involved with a TG lady and not have it be about the cock is so shocking a concept, oh my :roll:

[MacShreach]

That seems to be what a lot of gay guys on here is trying to do.

Aye, it's like they're on a mission.

[MacShreach]

Thanks to you two Macs representing, and telling it like it is.



:D

[SmashysmashY]

surprise surprise. a second person who can neither explain nor deal with the implications of their actions commiserating with the first person. you two should rent a room and watch shemale porn together then have a long intimate discussion about how gay you aren't. then come back and post about it so i can have a good chuckle.

You just can't bring yourself to accept it can you? The thought that someone might be into TS women for reasons other than those you have. Just grow up and stop trying to make everyone conform to your own sexual preferences.

actually you don't know what my reasons are or that i even have any. that is rather presumptuous. but as far as the people who have no interest in cock are concerned it would be like purposefully seeking women with a third breast and then saying "i have no interest in the third breast i never even touch it".

oh really, then why didn't you just find a woman with two was it that difficult? oh wait, it was actually easier but you went out of your way to find the third breast you didn't want. that's not odd behavior at all. i know that reality can be slippery but at lest try to get a grip on it.

[SmashysmashY]

obviously i haven't made my point very well so i'll attempt to approach it from another angle. i'm sure that everyone here is familiar with the concept of the path of least resistance. if you are not then please read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_of_least_resistance

now considering that the person has no interest in penis have they taken the path of least resistance by seeking sexual relationships with transsexuals? clearly they have not.

now i am forced to assume that they have deviated from the path of least resistance for some reason but no reason or explanation is forthcoming. does that not appear odd to anyone except me?

[MacShreach]

The true "fucking hypocrites" are the militant cock-fans who choose to pursue a particular, somewhat esoteric sexual interest while denying others the right identify their own, distinct orientation. Respect my preferences, don't try to force yours on me, and in return I'll respect you.

Never have more truer words been spoken, I mean the notion that one could be involved with a TG lady and not have it be about the cock is so shocking a concept, oh my :roll:

The problem is that this troll and others like him have no interest in respecting other people's preferences. They are only interested in their own.

[SmashysmashY]

again this bitch doesn't address the point or their own behavior they attempt validate their behavior by skirting the issue so i'll state it again.

obviously i haven't made my point very well so i'll attempt to approach it from another angle. i'm sure that everyone here is familiar with the concept of the path of least resistance. if you are not then please read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_of_least_resistance

now considering that the person has no interest in penis have they taken the path of least resistance by seeking sexual relationships with transsexuals? clearly they have not.

now i am forced to assume that they have deviated from the path of least resistance for some reason but no reason or explanation is forthcoming. does that not appear odd to anyone except me?

[whatsupwithat]

i think the bigger question is...top, bottom, middle, left side, right side, wherever you fall on the spectrum of things sexual, why is it still only a fantasy?

and smashy, maybe this will help:



Trans women. if it's not about the genitals, what is it?

"My friend, still perplexed, asked me, "So if it's not about genitals, what is it about trans women's bodies that you find most attractive?"

I paused for a second to consider the question. Then I replied that it is almost always their eyes. When I look into them, I see both endless strength and inconsolable sadness. I see someone who has overcome humiliation and abuses that would flatten the average person. I see a woman who was made to feel shame for her desires and yet had the courage to pursue them anyway. I see a woman who was forced against her will into boyhood, who held on to a dream that everybody in her life desperately tried to beat out of her, who refused to listen to the endless stream of people who told her that who she was and what she wanted was impossible.

When I look into trans women's eyes, I see a profound appreciation for how fucking empowering it can be to be female, an appreciation that seems lost on many cissexual women who sadly take their female identities and anatomies for granted, or who perpetually seek to cast themselves as victims rather than instigators. In trans women's eyes, I see a wisdom that can only come from having to fight for your right to be recognized as female, a raw strength that only comes from unabashedly asserting your right to be feminine in an inhospitable world. In a trans woman's eyes, I see someone who understands that, in a culture that's seemingly fueled on male homophobic hysteria, choosing to be female and openly expressing one's femininity is not a sign of frivolousness, weakness, or passivity, it is a fucking badge of courage. Everybody loves to say that drag queens are "fabulous," but nobody seems to get the fact that trans women are fucking badass!"

- Julia Serano

[MacShreach]

i think the bigger question is...top, bottom, middle, left side, right side, wherever you fall on the spectrum of things sexual, why is it still only a fantasy?

and smashy, maybe this will help:



Trans women. if it's not about the genitals, what is it?

"My friend, still perplexed, asked me, "So if it's not about genitals, what is it about trans women's bodies that you find most attractive?"

I paused for a second to consider the question. Then I replied that it is almost always their eyes. When I look into them, I see both endless strength and inconsolable sadness. I see someone who has overcome humiliation and abuses that would flatten the average person. I see a woman who was made to feel shame for her desires and yet had the courage to pursue them anyway. I see a woman who was forced against her will into boyhood, who held on to a dream that everybody in her life desperately tried to beat out of her, who refused to listen to the endless stream of people who told her that who she was and what she wanted was impossible.

When I look into trans women's eyes, I see a profound appreciation for how fucking empowering it can be to be female, an appreciation that seems lost on many cissexual women who sadly take their female identities and anatomies for granted, or who perpetually seek to cast themselves as victims rather than instigators. In trans women's eyes, I see a wisdom that can only come from having to fight for your right to be recognized as female, a raw strength that only comes from unabashedly asserting your right to be feminine in an inhospitable world. In a trans woman's eyes, I see someone who understands that, in a culture that's seemingly fueled on male homophobic hysteria, choosing to be female and openly expressing one's femininity is not a sign of frivolousness, weakness, or passivity, it is a fucking badge of courage. Everybody loves to say that drag queens are "fabulous," but nobody seems to get the fact that trans women are fucking badass!"

- Julia Serano


Great quote.

[whatsupwithat]

now i am forced to assume that they have deviated from the path of least resistance for some reason but no reason or explanation is forthcoming. does that not appear odd to anyone except me?

you're right. very right. but you know, i think all of us are very different. there is a sexuality at play, but to try and find out the core reasons for that sexuality, i think its bordering on disingenuous.

[whatsupwithat]

i think the bigger question is...top, bottom, middle, left side, right side, wherever you fall on the spectrum of things sexual, why is it still only a fantasy?

and smashy, maybe this will help:



Trans women. if it's not about the genitals, what is it?

"My friend, still perplexed, asked me, "So if it's not about genitals, what is it about trans women's bodies that you find most attractive?"

I paused for a second to consider the question. Then I replied that it is almost always their eyes. When I look into them, I see both endless strength and inconsolable sadness. I see someone who has overcome humiliation and abuses that would flatten the average person. I see a woman who was made to feel shame for her desires and yet had the courage to pursue them anyway. I see a woman who was forced against her will into boyhood, who held on to a dream that everybody in her life desperately tried to beat out of her, who refused to listen to the endless stream of people who told her that who she was and what she wanted was impossible.

When I look into trans women's eyes, I see a profound appreciation for how fucking empowering it can be to be female, an appreciation that seems lost on many cissexual women who sadly take their female identities and anatomies for granted, or who perpetually seek to cast themselves as victims rather than instigators. In trans women's eyes, I see a wisdom that can only come from having to fight for your right to be recognized as female, a raw strength that only comes from unabashedly asserting your right to be feminine in an inhospitable world. In a trans woman's eyes, I see someone who understands that, in a culture that's seemingly fueled on male homophobic hysteria, choosing to be female and openly expressing one's femininity is not a sign of frivolousness, weakness, or passivity, it is a fucking badge of courage. Everybody loves to say that drag queens are "fabulous," but nobody seems to get the fact that trans women are fucking badass!"

- Julia Serano


Great quote.

thanks, man. carry it with me everywhere. she's brilliant.

[lazyman]

obviously i haven't made my point very well so i'll attempt to approach it from another angle. i'm sure that everyone here is familiar with the concept of the path of least resistance. if you are not then please read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_of_least_resistance

now considering that the person has no interest in penis have they taken the path of least resistance by seeking sexual relationships with transsexuals? clearly they have not.

now i am forced to assume that they have deviated from the path of least resistance for some reason but no reason or explanation is forthcoming. does that not appear odd to anyone except me?

No, you're not "forced to assume" anything. The very fact that you're making assumptions about people indicates a predisposition to try and make them conform to your own criteria, rather than giving serious consideration to their own self-identification. This behaviour - staying within your comfort zone of easily-defined, anatomically-based sexuality - is your own "path of least resistance".

I shouldn't have to justify or explain my sexual preferences to you in order for you to demonstrate basic respect for them, any more than you should need to do so in order for me to have basic respect for you. If I have shown annoyance towards you, it is not because you are a "cock-fan", but because you are violating this essential principle that is the bedrock of non-prejudiced human communities.

However, since you appear curious and, if I may be so bold, confused about why someone would be into TS women and yet not interested in interacting sexually with their male genitalia, I'll explain to you how I personally understand my own preferences. Since the members of this board are diverse, I can't speak for other members who also identify as "tops". They may share this pattern, or they may have other, different inputs into their sexual preference.

Let me begin by simply describing my "orientation", before going on to posit reasons for it. I am sexually attracted to genetic women, and to male-to-female transsexuals; in the latter case, the degree of attraction corresponding to the extent of their feminisation. Where sexual relations with transsexual women are concerned, I am a "top" in that I exclusively take the role of penetrator, both anally and orally. I also enjoy performing, but not receiving, anilingus. I am not attracted to the idea of performing fellatio on a transsexual woman, though I would be prepared to do so if asked to as part of the mutual consideration appropriate in a loving relationship. The three sexual experiences I have had with transsexual women have each involved me taking my preferred role - receiving fellatio, giving penetration, and in one case performing anilingus.

So, why am I attracted to transsexuals if I'm not interested in their penises? This is an interesting question, and one which would have been valid for you to ask had you done so in a spirit of genuine curiosity rather than demonstrating a determination to pre-judge and/or reject the answer.

The reasons I can basically summarise as follows: transsexual women look, act, and in the best cases sound, like genetic women without actually being so. Thus, they permit me to indulge my sexual attraction to women while simultaneously bringing a new range of sensual and interpersonal offerings that genetic women can't provide. These are:

1) created femininity. A transsexual woman in the later stages of transition is a work of art and a testament to a lifetime of aesthetic improvement. As the sexual partner of such a person, I feel almost as if this vast effort has been for my benefit and enjoyment. Making love to a transsexual woman carries some of the same thrill as driving a superbly-engineered car or owning a painting that took years to finish.

2) empathy. A transsexual woman has a better and more natural understanding of the male mind and sex drive than a genetic woman. Typically they have spent a significant portion of their formative childhood living in a male gender role before embarking on the course of actualising their true selves. The additional understanding this brings to them enhances sex, since I feel we are better able to appreciate one another's desires and needs. To give an example of this on a trivial level, in my experience no genetic woman has ever been able to give a blowjob to rival those provided by transsexual women.

3) Transgressive appeal - Being attracted to and having sexual relations with transsexual women is outside the normal range of sexual behaviour. Despite the increasing prominence given to it by the internet, it is still very much a niche, minority interest. It allows me to experience the excitement of going beyond the boundaries of what my family and community would find acceptable, while still allowing me to have sex with attractive women.

So there you go, as best I'm able to understand it. The above is what draws me personally to transsexuals. As for your reasons, or anyone else's, that's not for me to preach about or judge - a position you could do well to adopt.

[Rod la Rod]

obviously i haven't made my point very well so i'll attempt to approach it from another angle. i'm sure that everyone here is familiar with the concept of the path of least resistance. if you are not then please read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_of_least_resistance

now considering that the person has no interest in penis have they taken the path of least resistance by seeking sexual relationships with transsexuals? clearly they have not.

now i am forced to assume that they have deviated from the path of least resistance for some reason but no reason or explanation is forthcoming. does that not appear odd to anyone except me?

No, you're not "forced to assume" anything. The very fact that you're making assumptions about people indicates a predisposition to try and make them conform to your own criteria, rather than giving serious consideration to their own self-identification. This behaviour - staying within your comfort zone of easily-defined, anatomically-based sexuality - is your own "path of least resistance".

I shouldn't have to justify or explain my sexual preferences to you in order for you to demonstrate basic respect for them, any more than you should need to do so in order for me to have basic respect for you. If I have shown annoyance towards you, it is not because you are a "cock-fan", but because you are violating this essential principle that is the bedrock of non-prejudiced human communities.

However, since you appear curious and, if I may be so bold, confused about why someone would be into TS women and yet not interested in interacting sexually with their male genitalia, I'll explain to you how I personally understand my own preferences. Since the members of this board are diverse, I can't speak for other members who also identify as "tops". They may share this pattern, or they may have other, different inputs into their sexual preference.

Let me begin by simply describing my "orientation", before going on to posit reasons for it. I am sexually attracted to genetic women, and to male-to-female transsexuals; in the latter case, the degree of attraction corresponding to the extent of their feminisation. Where sexual relations with transsexual women are concerned, I am a "top" in that I exclusively take the role of penetrator, both anally and orally. I also enjoy performing, but not receiving, anilingus. I am not attracted to the idea of performing fellatio on a transsexual woman, though I would be prepared to do so if asked to as part of the mutual consideration appropriate in a loving relationship. The three sexual experiences I have had with transsexual women have each involved me taking my preferred role - receiving fellatio, giving penetration, and in one case performing anilingus.

So, why am I attracted to transsexuals if I'm not interested in their penises? This is an interesting question, and one which would have been valid for you to ask had you done so in a spirit of genuine curiosity rather than demonstrating a determination to pre-judge and/or reject the answer.

The reasons I can basically summarise as follows: transsexual women look, act, and in the best cases sound, like genetic women without actually being so. Thus, they permit me to indulge my sexual attraction to women while simultaneously bringing a new range of sensual and interpersonal offerings that genetic women can't provide. These are:

1) created femininity. A transsexual woman in the later stages of transition is a work of art and a testament to a lifetime of aesthetic improvement. As the sexual partner of such a person, I feel almost as if this vast effort has been for my benefit and enjoyment. Making love to a transsexual woman carries some of the same thrill as driving a superbly-engineered car or owning a painting that took years to finish.

2) empathy. A transsexual woman has a better and more natural understanding of the male mind and sex drive than a genetic woman. Typically they have spent a significant portion of their formative childhood living in a male gender role before embarking on the course of actualising their true selves. The additional understanding this brings to them enhances sex, since I feel we are better able to appreciate one another's desires and needs. To give an example of this on a trivial level, in my experience no genetic woman has ever been able to give a blowjob to rival those provided by transsexual women.

3) Transgressive appeal - Being attracted to and having sexual relations with transsexual women is outside the normal range of sexual behaviour. Despite the increasing prominence given to it by the internet, it is still very much a niche, minority interest. It allows me to experience the excitement of going beyond the boundaries of what my family and community would find acceptable, while still allowing me to have sex with attractive women.

So there you go, as best I'm able to understand it. The above is what draws me personally to transsexuals. As for your reasons, or anyone else's, that's not for me to preach about or judge - a position you could do well to adopt.

Well put.

[SmashysmashY]

i think the bigger question is...top, bottom, middle, left side, right side, wherever you fall on the spectrum of things sexual, why is it still only a fantasy?

and smashy, maybe this will help:



Trans women. if it's not about the genitals, what is it?

"My friend, still perplexed, asked me, "So if it's not about genitals, what is it about trans women's bodies that you find most attractive?"

I paused for a second to consider the question. Then I replied that it is almost always their eyes. When I look into them, I see both endless strength and inconsolable sadness. I see someone who has overcome humiliation and abuses that would flatten the average person. I see a woman who was made to feel shame for her desires and yet had the courage to pursue them anyway. I see a woman who was forced against her will into boyhood, who held on to a dream that everybody in her life desperately tried to beat out of her, who refused to listen to the endless stream of people who told her that who she was and what she wanted was impossible.

When I look into trans women's eyes, I see a profound appreciation for how fucking empowering it can be to be female, an appreciation that seems lost on many cissexual women who sadly take their female identities and anatomies for granted, or who perpetually seek to cast themselves as victims rather than instigators. In trans women's eyes, I see a wisdom that can only come from having to fight for your right to be recognized as female, a raw strength that only comes from unabashedly asserting your right to be feminine in an inhospitable world. In a trans woman's eyes, I see someone who understands that, in a culture that's seemingly fueled on male homophobic hysteria, choosing to be female and openly expressing one's femininity is not a sign of frivolousness, weakness, or passivity, it is a fucking badge of courage. Everybody loves to say that drag queens are "fabulous," but nobody seems to get the fact that trans women are fucking badass!"

- Julia Serano

thank you, that was an appreciable response. now going back to my original post a person who pursues transsexuals because they like the idea of being with someone who has a penis is outside of what most people would consider socially acceptable sexual norms. the person is gay by most definitions. but even though it's outside of what many would consider "acceptable" behavior it's well within what is considered to be understandable behavior.

seeking someone for a sexual relationship because they have undergone the psychological trauma of experiencing gender dysphoria (this is my interpretation of what you posted) is well outside of what most people would refer to as not only a normal but even a comprehensible reason for seeking a sexual relationship and therefore it's quite justifiable to refer to it as bizarre.

[whatsupwithat]

3) Transgressive appeal - Being attracted to and having sexual relations with transsexual women is outside the normal range of sexual behaviour. Despite the increasing prominence given to it by the internet, it is still very much a niche, minority interest. It allows me to experience the excitement of going beyond the boundaries of what my family and community would find acceptable, while still allowing me to have sex with attractive women.


cool.. i was waiting for someone to bring that up! relates right back to the julia serano quote. trans women are of the few who have truly accepted themselves, their inner beings and have taken action to be true to that. it's courageous...and courage is always alluring...and transgressive in a society built upon the norm. :)

[whatsupwithat]

i think the bigger question is...top, bottom, middle, left side, right side, wherever you fall on the spectrum of things sexual, why is it still only a fantasy?

and smashy, maybe this will help:



Trans women. if it's not about the genitals, what is it?

"My friend, still perplexed, asked me, "So if it's not about genitals, what is it about trans women's bodies that you find most attractive?"

I paused for a second to consider the question. Then I replied that it is almost always their eyes. When I look into them, I see both endless strength and inconsolable sadness. I see someone who has overcome humiliation and abuses that would flatten the average person. I see a woman who was made to feel shame for her desires and yet had the courage to pursue them anyway. I see a woman who was forced against her will into boyhood, who held on to a dream that everybody in her life desperately tried to beat out of her, who refused to listen to the endless stream of people who told her that who she was and what she wanted was impossible.

When I look into trans women's eyes, I see a profound appreciation for how fucking empowering it can be to be female, an appreciation that seems lost on many cissexual women who sadly take their female identities and anatomies for granted, or who perpetually seek to cast themselves as victims rather than instigators. In trans women's eyes, I see a wisdom that can only come from having to fight for your right to be recognized as female, a raw strength that only comes from unabashedly asserting your right to be feminine in an inhospitable world. In a trans woman's eyes, I see someone who understands that, in a culture that's seemingly fueled on male homophobic hysteria, choosing to be female and openly expressing one's femininity is not a sign of frivolousness, weakness, or passivity, it is a fucking badge of courage. Everybody loves to say that drag queens are "fabulous," but nobody seems to get the fact that trans women are fucking badass!"

- Julia Serano

thank you, that was an appreciable response. now going back to my original post a person who pursues transsexuals because they like the idea of being with someone who has a penis is outside of what most people would consider socially acceptable sexual norms. the person is gay by most definitions. but even though it's outside of what many would consider "acceptable" behavior it's well within what is considered to be understandable behavior.

seeking someone for a sexual relationship because they have undergone the psychological trauma of experiencing gender dysphoria (this is my interpretation of what you posted) is well outside of what most people would refer to as not only a normal but even a comprehensible reason for seeking a sexual relationship and therefore it's quite justifiable to refer to it as bizarre.

once again, i will say that we are all different whether gay, straight, or otherwise. attraction and sexuality come in all shapes and forms and with all the various reasons attached that come from our own life experiences. why are so many women attracted to firemen? would that be considered bizarre to you? or is that ok because it falls withing the societal norm of heterosexuality?

i understand where you're coming from. and it's cool. we all have our experiential logic that we live by. i guess what we are all asking you to understand is that as partners of trans women are all coming from different places, some of us from similar places...but different, nonetheless. to look at us under a behavioral and/or scientific microscope really points to the fact that that the behavioral sciences are still in the dark ages when it comes to understanding sexuality and attraction. in fact, they're clueless.

[Rod la Rod]

1) created femininity. A transsexual woman in the later stages of transition is a work of art and a testament to a lifetime of aesthetic improvement. As the sexual partner of such a person, I feel almost as if this vast effort has been for my benefit and enjoyment. Making love to a transsexual woman carries some of the same thrill as driving a superbly-engineered car or owning a painting that took years to finish.


Related to this point I think there is a deep neuro-biological attraction in hetero males for what is perceived as female fertility, i.e. youth, estrogenic markers-breasts, female hips, voice, soft skin and features etc. To not have to worry about pregnancy, or all of the other business that goes along with sex with a GG. The concept of the ability to have sex with someone with these traits for sheer erotic pleasure, for me I admit is very appealing and exciting.

[SmashysmashY]

i take no exception with any of those reasons that were stated and i have no problem with people pursuing transsexuals for those reasons or any other reasons for that matter. but if you are going to seek out someone for the purpose of fulfilling these fetishistic fantasies (which is what they are) then you should neither assume that the trans gendered like that you seek them for those reasons or that they constitute better or more genuine justification for seeking the relationships or that they are not bizarre motivations to engage in a particular sort of sexual activity.

as i've already said going after someone because you like dick is gay. but going after someone because they've undergone years of plastic surgery and hormone injections is something else entirely and it's driven by some motivation that i can't even address because i'm not a professional at dealing with sexuality and gender issues.

[whatsupwithat]

i take no exception with any of those reasons that were stated and i have no problem with people pursuing transsexuals for those reasons or any other reasons for that matter. but if you are going to seek out someone for the purpose of fulfilling these fetishistic fantasies (which is what they are) then you should neither assume that the trans gendered like that you seek them for those reasons or that they constitute better or more genuine justification for seeking the relationships or that they are not bizarre motivations to engage in a particular sort of sexual activity.

as i've already said going after someone because you like dick is gay. but going after someone because they've undergone years of plastic surgery and hormone injections is something else entirely and it's driven by some motivation that i can't even address because i'm not a professional at dealing with sexuality and gender issues.


hoewver you see it, you see it. if it works for you to see me and others as you do, great. we are all on our own journeys. let's just hope we can all find love and happiness along the way. :)

[SmashysmashY]

some people have suggested that i've passed judgment on others harshly but i actually haven't. i've only pointed out that the people passing judgment on others according to the op have no claim to any moral high ground from which to pass judgment from.

as i said before directing sexual attention towards someone because of cock is at least a motivation that's classifiable. saying that you are attracted to someone because they've experienced trauma, or they've had their body massively augmented to look female without technically being one, or because you like going against the grain of society may be valid reasons but it certainly isn't anything that would allow you to look down on another person and it's probably something you should be asking yourself why you would have such a motivation to begin with.

[jjjohnson]

I don't look down on you for liking someone because of cock SmashysmashY and you certainly have fair reason to defend your fantasies if others mock them.

I have struggled hard in my head about why I like transexuals so much, it's been years now and I can't get them out of my head. I'm strictly a top myself but can totally understand why someone else would class someone like me as gay, as like you say, I'm attracted to a man regardless of how transformed they are and to some that's impossible to relate too.

As to why I personally like transexuals so much I guess it's very similar to others. To me some transexuals represent the absolute pinnacle of sexual attraction, my fetish is anal sex so the presence of a cock only serves to assure me that anal sex is the only choice (rather than perhaps being an awkward and selfish request with a gg) On top of that there's just something about some transexuals which, to me, take them even beyond the feminine attractiveness of typical gg's, they way they make themselves look, the way they dress, the way they perform sexually, even the way they pose and talk. It's like the absence of a vagina just makes you look harder for a deeper level of beauty or something. Either that or it's the dirty costume wearing bum sex.

[MacShreach]

1) created femininity. A transsexual woman in the later stages of transition is a work of art and a testament to a lifetime of aesthetic improvement. As the sexual partner of such a person, I feel almost as if this vast effort has been for my benefit and enjoyment. Making love to a transsexual woman carries some of the same thrill as driving a superbly-engineered car or owning a painting that took years to finish.




Related to this point I think there is a deep neuro-biological attraction in hetero males for what is perceived as female fertility, i.e. youth, estrogenic markers-breasts, female hips, voice, soft skin and features etc. To not have to worry about pregnancy, or all of the other business that goes along with sex with a GG. The concept of the ability to have sex with someone with these traits for sheer erotic pleasure, for me I admit is very appealing and exciting.

I agree with both of you.


There is something absolutely fascinating about the appeal of TS women.....Something exotic, a little dangerous, taboo... I'm a buzz-junky, into fast cars, motorcycles, rough-weather sailing (bloody good job this summer too,) flying... and professionally-- let's just say I've never shirked a dangerous job...I quite like that dryness of the mouth and uneasiness of stomach.....You feel so alive...There has been an element of that thrill in every encounter I've had with a TS woman and it's very very more-ish... very sexually stimulating.

But ultimately the turn-on is between my ears, it's about the path she has travelled, the things she has done, the simple miracle that she can be what she is.....and then give herself to me (well okay sell herself, but wtf).....But to make it work, the whole trick, the theatre of transformation, she has to be absolutely feminine in look, voice and behaviour, with all the qualities that you both refer to.

I would like to gain more experience with PO TS escorts because the couple of times I've been with one have been just as good a buzz....unfortunately they're much harder to find, at least I have found it so. The kick is a little different, it's sort of "Wow you actually went all the way for me....Damn that's hot." ( I never noticed any shortcomings in the fanny department either and believe me I study these things....)

[KiraHarden]

1) created femininity. A transsexual woman in the later stages of transition is a work of art and a testament to a lifetime of aesthetic improvement. As the sexual partner of such a person, I feel almost as if this vast effort has been for my benefit and enjoyment. Making love to a transsexual woman carries some of the same thrill as driving a superbly-engineered car or owning a painting that took years to finish.




Related to this point I think there is a deep neuro-biological attraction in hetero males for what is perceived as female fertility, i.e. youth, estrogenic markers-breasts, female hips, voice, soft skin and features etc. To not have to worry about pregnancy, or all of the other business that goes along with sex with a GG. The concept of the ability to have sex with someone with these traits for sheer erotic pleasure, for me I admit is very appealing and exciting.

I agree with both of you.


There is something absolutely fascinating about the appeal of TS women.....Something exotic, a little dangerous, taboo... I'm a buzz-junky, into fast cars, motorcycles, rough-weather sailing (bloody good job this summer too,) flying... and professionally-- let's just say I've never shirked a dangerous job...I quite like that dryness of the mouth and uneasiness of stomach.....You feel so alive...There has been an element of that thrill in every encounter I've had with a TS woman and it's very very more-ish... very sexually stimulating.

But ultimately the turn-on is between my ears, it's about the path she has travelled, the things she has done, the simple miracle that she can be what she is.....and then give herself to me (well okay sell herself, but wtf).....But to make it work, the whole trick, the theatre of transformation, she has to be absolutely feminine in look, voice and behaviour, with all the qualities that you both refer to.

I would like to gain more experience with PO TS escorts because the couple of times I've been with one have been just as good a buzz....unfortunately they're much harder to find, at least I have found it so. The kick is a little different, it's sort of "Wow you actually went all the way for me....Damn that's hot." ( I never noticed any shortcomings in the fanny department either and believe me I study these things....)

I would love to go sailing, mountaineering, skydiving. I have tried cave exploration and That so far has been the most memorable thing I have exp.

[SmashysmashY]

thank you jjjohnson that is nice of you. but just for the record i don't like people because of cock. that is a stupid reason to like someone in my opinion. i'm bi so a transgendered person would fall into the category of someone i'd date whether you want to classify them as male or female.

i like people for what i'd consider to be pretty typical reasons, because i think they are smart or funny or knowledgeable about themselves or we have similar interests etc. because i have this modicum of understanding and honesty with myself about my sexuality and motivations i have no need to seek out strange justifications for being attracted to people such as they've gone through trauma or it's taboo or they've had regular visits with a plastic surgeon.

[MacShreach]

I don't look down on you for liking someone because of cock

I don't look down on the bastard for that either, I look down on him because he's vicious little shit who thinks it's funny to curse, swear at and insult other people in a language he thinks they don't understand, because he is a shite-stirring troll, and because he is a gay nazi who believes in imposing his own ideas of sexuality on everyone else, and when they don't fall meekly into place, resorts to the tactics I have just referred to. Which is why he's in my shit-list and invisible. I will not lower myself to communicate with the cat-puke, but I couldn't care less that he's a knob-jockey.

There's plenty gay men on here I get along fine with. I don't get their mind-set, but as long as they're not trying to force it on me, I don't give a fuck.

Rule 1 for juvenile trolls-- if you're going to insult people in a foreign language, make sure none of them speak it first.......

[MacShreach]

I would love to go sailing, mountaineering, skydiving. I have tried cave exploration and That so far has been the most memorable thing I have exp.

I used to go sky-diving but I buggered up my knees skiing and the doc said cut it out before I did something major..... :cry:

[KiraHarden]

I would love to go sailing, mountaineering, skydiving. I have tried cave exploration and That so far has been the most memorable thing I have exp.

I used to go sky-diving but I buggered up my knees skiing and the doc said cut it out before I did something major..... :cry:
I would like to do it once in my lifetime.

[SmashysmashY]

now that guy is just starting to creep me out. he puts me on ignore (great please ignore me) and then continues to post in every thread i post in making comments about me. are there no rules on this forum about stalking?

[MacShreach]

I would love to go sailing, mountaineering, skydiving. I have tried cave exploration and That so far has been the most memorable thing I have exp.

I used to go sky-diving but I buggered up my knees skiing and the doc said cut it out before I did something major..... :cry:
I would like to do it once in my lifetime.

Go for it. Most of the clubs round here do a deal on first lesson/jump, probably the same where you are. But careful, it's very addictive. :wink:

I tried land-yachting for the first time this summer, that's a hoot as well.

[KiraHarden]

I would love to go sailing, mountaineering, skydiving. I have tried cave exploration and That so far has been the most memorable thing I have exp.

I used to go sky-diving but I buggered up my knees skiing and the doc said cut it out before I did something major..... :cry:
I would like to do it once in my lifetime.

Go for it. Most of the clubs round here do a deal on first lesson/jump, probably the same where you are. But careful, it's very addictive. :wink:

I tried land-yachting for the first time this summer, that's a hoot as well. I have looked into those a cpl times... Thinking maybe Bungee jump first.

[lust4ts]

I don't look down on you for liking someone because of cock

I don't look down on the bastard for that either, I look down on him because he's vicious little shit who thinks it's funny to curse, swear at and insult other people in a language he thinks they don't understand, because he is a shite-stirring troll, and because he is a gay nazi who believes in imposing his own ideas of sexuality on everyone else, and when they don't fall meekly into place, resorts to the tactics I have just referred to. Which is why he's in my shit-list and invisible. I will not lower myself to communicate with the cat-puke, but I couldn't care less that he's a knob-jockey.

There's plenty gay men on here I get along fine with. I don't get their mind-set, but as long as they're not trying to force it on me, I don't give a fuck.

Rule 1 for juvenile trolls-- if you're going to insult people in a foreign language, make sure none of them speak it first.......

I ignore him too, I had more than enough of his bullshit before, so he can call me whatever the fuck he wants! He bores me.

He's the type of troll who is not even worth reasoning with, so when he reads this I'm sure he will spurt of his usual repetitive crap, but I shall not be responding either!

[SmashysmashY]

for a couple of people who want to ignore me you certainly spend a lot of time talking about me. the first rule of ignoring someone is that you ignore them not follow them around making comments about them. now both of you are showing your immaturity and it's bordering on stalking so i'll tell you both what i told you last time leave me alone and i'll leave you alone.

[RubyTS]

You don't say.....Lots of guys here like cocks on their TS's???!!!??? :shock:


Why does it bother you people so much?


I think it's totally ridiculous to talk shit about the fantasies of someone on a fucking porn site. HA. Not just a porn site mind you, but a TRANSSEXUAL web site at that.

So said guy wants to live out his fantasies about having a big ass, big titty'd girl putting her big 10 incher up his ass. Maybe he even wants more debauchery with himself gettin dick slapped, cummed on, piss on.........the works. So what. That in itself doesn't make him gay....what it makes.....it makes HIS fantasy.

You hypocrites have nerve, as if you putting your p33n in someones RECTUM makes you less gay.

And the girls on this site come off even worse. You would think a TS girl would know better, considering that, SURPRISE......you were born a man.


I don't claim to have the HOLY GRAIL answer as to what really makes someone gay or not, especially since the definition seems to change every few years, but I will privy this, None of you here, myself included, have it either.


y dont u guys chk out my most recent youtube video? i think u will find it very helpful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htuEESOtO8Q

[SmashysmashY]

if a person's sexuality is determined by what they think and feel as you say in minute 4:26 then it really invalidates the argument that being attracted to femininity makes one straight. i could be attracted to masculinity and still be straight if i think and feel that i am. it makes the entire question of sexuality irrelevant (not saying that it should be relevant but only that it is a standard that leaves no room for making a clear distinction). nice video though.

[Rod la Rod]

y dont u guys chk out my most recent youtube video? i think u will find it very helpful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htuEESOtO8Q

You nailed it. Perfect.

[SmashysmashY]

i know who buck angel is. if you fucked them then technical you'd be able to say you engaged in heterosexual activity but the activity is so suspect that i would say you might as well just take the leap of engaging in homosexual activity. on the other hand if you are having sex with a m2f transsexual you're definitely engaged in homosexual activity but because it's of such an irregular nature it gives you enough plausible deniability to justify it at least to yourself as heterosexual activity.

[RubyTS]

i know who buck angel is. if you fucked them then technical you'd be able to say you engaged in heterosexual activity but the activity is so suspect that i would say you might as well just take the leap of engaging in homosexual activity. on the other hand if you are having sex with a m2f transsexual you're definitely engaged in homosexual activity but because it's of such an irregular nature it gives you enough plausible deniability to justify it at least to yourself as heterosexual activity.

so in otherwords ur opinion is that someone screws w a tranny to engage in homosexual sex but not feel gay about it...... i think thats about right, for some, but i think majority just like tgirls. then again were all entitled to our opinions

[Rod la Rod]

i know who buck angel is. if you fucked them then technical you'd be able to say you engaged in heterosexual activity but the activity is so suspect that i would say you might as well just take the leap of engaging in homosexual activity. on the other hand if you are having sex with a m2f transsexual you're definitely engaged in homosexual activity but because it's of such an irregular nature it gives you enough plausible deniability to justify it at least to yourself as heterosexual activity.

C'mon who gives a shit man?

[SmashysmashY]

i know who buck angel is. if you fucked them then technical you'd be able to say you engaged in heterosexual activity but the activity is so suspect that i would say you might as well just take the leap of engaging in homosexual activity. on the other hand if you are having sex with a m2f transsexual you're definitely engaged in homosexual activity but because it's of such an irregular nature it gives you enough plausible deniability to justify it at least to yourself as heterosexual activity.

so in otherwords ur opinion is that someone screws w a tranny to engage in homosexual sex but not feel gay about it...... i think thats about right, for some, but i think majority just like tgirls. then again were all entitled to our opinions

first i think it's a concern for people who have something invested in even making the distinction. some people don't care whether their behavior is heterosexual or homosexual. but also it depends on how you define those terms.

if you think that fucking pussy makes you straight and fucking the asshole of someone with a cock makes you gay then fucking buck angel is very much heterosexual activity and fucking a ts is homosexual. but if you think going after a masculine person is homosexual and going after a feminine person is heterosexual it would be the other way around.

i tend to accept the standard of going by the person's biology now of course if the person doesn't even have their original sex organs then the activity is of such a nature that you might as well do the opposite.

[SmashysmashY]

i know who buck angel is. if you fucked them then technical you'd be able to say you engaged in heterosexual activity but the activity is so suspect that i would say you might as well just take the leap of engaging in homosexual activity. on the other hand if you are having sex with a m2f transsexual you're definitely engaged in homosexual activity but because it's of such an irregular nature it gives you enough plausible deniability to justify it at least to yourself as heterosexual activity.

C'mon who gives a shit man?

i don't know, the person who asked maybe.

[whatsupwithat]

SmashysmashY

are you speaking to me? because, if you are, it's becoming very obvious you want to see things in very neat and already established categories...which the majority of people on here do not fit into. also, can i ask why you are questioning my motivations and trying to fit them into a singular category? you're missing me and the quote i posted by a mile. and where the does your idea of liking someone for the trauma come from? it's called courage and strength and living and seeing and being truthful to one's own inner nature. not to knock you, but your narrow view of people coupled with an impeccable negative spin, and it really is quite a spin, would fit right in in a certain far right religious party.

also, to narrow someone's sexuality down to a body part or a surgery is very insulting as it labels that person and all in this community as exhibiting nothing more than fetishistic behavior...when, in fact, we are all human and cannot be placed into the categories you abide by. now, there are those on this board that are clearly in it for the fetish. i am not. and i know quite a few others that are not.

what are you attracted to? and what do you see yourself as? also, what are you seeking by writing what you do?

[whatsupwithat]

i know who buck angel is. if you fucked them then technical you'd be able to say you engaged in heterosexual activity but the activity is so suspect that i would say you might as well just take the leap of engaging in homosexual activity. on the other hand if you are having sex with a m2f transsexual you're definitely engaged in homosexual activity but because it's of such an irregular nature it gives you enough plausible deniability to justify it at least to yourself as heterosexual activity.

so in otherwords ur opinion is that someone screws w a tranny to engage in homosexual sex but not feel gay about it...... i think thats about right, for some, but i think majority just like tgirls. then again were all entitled to our opinions

beautiful video, ruby. thanks! :)

[Rod la Rod]

i know who buck angel is. if you fucked them then technical you'd be able to say you engaged in heterosexual activity but the activity is so suspect that i would say you might as well just take the leap of engaging in homosexual activity. on the other hand if you are having sex with a m2f transsexual you're definitely engaged in homosexual activity but because it's of such an irregular nature it gives you enough plausible deniability to justify it at least to yourself as heterosexual activity.

so in otherwords ur opinion is that someone screws w a tranny to engage in homosexual sex but not feel gay about it...... i think thats about right, for some, but i think majority just like tgirls. then again were all entitled to our opinions

beautiful video, ruby. thanks! :)


Yes Ruby, I was going to say how beautiful you are but I didn't want to seem like a sucker. You are like A Rod's beautiful sister. He is a very pretty man. I can say that because I don't give a shit if someone thinks I'm gay.

[lust4ts]

SmashysmashY

are you speaking to me? because, if you are, it's becoming very obvious you want to see things in very neat and already established categories...which the majority of people on here do not fit into. also, can i ask why you are questioning my motivations and trying to fit them into a singular category? you're missing me and the quote i posted by a mile. and where the does your idea of liking someone for the trauma come from? it's called courage and strength and living and seeing and being truthful to one's own inner nature. not to knock you, but your narrow view of people coupled with an impeccable negative spin, and it really is quite a spin, would fit right in in a certain far right religious party.

also, to narrow someone's sexuality down to a body part or a surgery is very insulting as it labels that person and all in this community as exhibiting nothing more than fetishistic behavior...when, in fact, we are all human and cannot be placed into the categories you abide by. now, there are those on this board that are clearly in it for the fetish. i am not. and i know quite a few others that are not.

what are you attracted to? and what do you see yourself as? also, what are you seeking by writing what you do?

Seriously, you're a nice guy, don't waste your time on him. He is a troll who is extremely single minded. You know who you are, so fuck him, sincerely he is not worth it!

[whatsupwithat]

i know who buck angel is. if you fucked them then technical you'd be able to say you engaged in heterosexual activity but the activity is so suspect that i would say you might as well just take the leap of engaging in homosexual activity. on the other hand if you are having sex with a m2f transsexual you're definitely engaged in homosexual activity but because it's of such an irregular nature it gives you enough plausible deniability to justify it at least to yourself as heterosexual activity.

so in otherwords ur opinion is that someone screws w a tranny to engage in homosexual sex but not feel gay about it...... i think thats about right, for some, but i think majority just like tgirls. then again were all entitled to our opinions

beautiful video, ruby. thanks! :)


Yes Ruby, I was going to say how beautiful you are but I didn't want to seem like a sucker. You are like A Rod's beautiful sister. He is a very pretty man. I can say that because I don't give a shit if someone thinks I'm gay.

hahaha!

[whatsupwithat]

Seriously, you're a nice guy, don't waste your time on him. He is a troll who is extremely single minded. You know who you are, so fuck him, sincerely he is not worth it!

ahhh, gracias.

[whatsupwithat]

:D Remember folks, sex with Buck is "STRAIGHT" because Smashy says so!!!

A couple more of Buck.

wait...but i have gay male friend who slept with buck. seriously. the plot thickens...

[SmashysmashY]

SmashysmashY

are you speaking to me? because, if you are, it's becoming very obvious you want to see things in very neat and already established categories...which the majority of people on here do not fit into. also, can i ask why you are questioning my motivations and trying to fit them into a singular category? you're missing me and the quote i posted by a mile. and where the does your idea of liking someone for the trauma come from? it's called courage and strength and living and seeing and being truthful to one's own inner nature. not to knock you, but your narrow view of people coupled with an impeccable negative spin, and it really is quite a spin, would fit right in in a certain far right religious party.

also, to narrow someone's sexuality down to a body part or a surgery is very insulting as it labels that person and all in this community as exhibiting nothing more than fetishistic behavior...when, in fact, we are all human and cannot be placed into the categories you abide by. now, there are those on this board that are clearly in it for the fetish. i am not. and i know quite a few others that are not.

what are you attracted to? and what do you see yourself as? also, what are you seeking by writing what you do?

i think it's a little unfair to call someone religious just because they define sexuality in what you consider to be a narrow way. i never said that you do anything, but the quote you put up clearly suggests that the person is attracted to people who have suffered trauma because they have suffered trauma. if you wish to clarify this then please do as i've said this is my interpretation.

and for the record i never said that anyone should think what i think or that my views are superior. i have merely expressed my views. is the purpose of a forum not to find out what the views of other people are?

to ask you a question what hidden agenda do you think i could possibly have? perhaps i come here to spew caustic remarks at people i don't know or make people insecure about their sexuality. but have i done those things whatsupwithat? no, i've done nothing more or less than anyone in this thread has which is engage in discussion. also if you are interested in what i'm attracted to and how i see myself i explain this in my last post on page 19.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Smashy I hope an asteroid crashes into your house instead of mars.

[SmashysmashY]

SmashysmashY

are you speaking to me? because, if you are, it's becoming very obvious you want to see things in very neat and already established categories...which the majority of people on here do not fit into. also, can i ask why you are questioning my motivations and trying to fit them into a singular category? you're missing me and the quote i posted by a mile. and where the does your idea of liking someone for the trauma come from? it's called courage and strength and living and seeing and being truthful to one's own inner nature. not to knock you, but your narrow view of people coupled with an impeccable negative spin, and it really is quite a spin, would fit right in in a certain far right religious party.

also, to narrow someone's sexuality down to a body part or a surgery is very insulting as it labels that person and all in this community as exhibiting nothing more than fetishistic behavior...when, in fact, we are all human and cannot be placed into the categories you abide by. now, there are those on this board that are clearly in it for the fetish. i am not. and i know quite a few others that are not.

what are you attracted to? and what do you see yourself as? also, what are you seeking by writing what you do?

Seriously, you're a nice guy, don't waste your time on him. He is a troll who is extremely single minded. You know who you are, so fuck him, sincerely he is not worth it!

i told you to stop stalking you little freak.

[lust4ts]

Seriously, you're a nice guy, don't waste your time on him. He is a troll who is extremely single minded. You know who you are, so fuck him, sincerely he is not worth it!

ahhh, gracias.

No probs man, I just ignore him :D

[Night Rider]

:D Remember folks, sex with Buck is "STRAIGHT" because Smashy says so!!!

A couple more of Buck.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/list]

[SmashysmashY]

:D Remember folks, sex with Buck is "STRAIGHT" because Smashy says so!!!

A couple more of Buck.

are you at all familiar with the word technically? clearly you are not so let me help you it means "based on or marked by a strict or legal interpretation". that person has a pussy and two x chromosomes. that's not in your little picture is it? now posting a picture of an albeit extremely mannish woman does not make whatever point you were trying to make it's a rather simple debate tactic that i could easily reverse and say that fucking a ts makes you gayer than a bucket of rainbows. so please try a bit harder if you want to be taken seriously.

[SmashysmashY]

Smashy I hope an asteroid crashes into your house instead of mars.

yes i know you do but that's because you and that little guy that follows you around seek the comfort of other people that will validate your beliefs and when you see something that doesn't you react with anger because your worldview has been challenged and it was very unstable to begin with. i don't fault anyone in this forum for that but it is extremely closed minded and bordering on cultism.

[whatsupwithat]

i think it's a little unfair to call someone religious just because they define sexuality in what you consider to be a narrow way. i never said that you do anything, but the quote you put up clearly suggests that the person is attracted to people who have suffered trauma because they have suffered trauma. if you wish to clarify this then please do as i've said this is my interpretation.

the question posited in the quote was "what do you find MOST attractive?" yes, i am attracted by physical beauty. i am also attracted by intelligence, personality, and many other things to numerous to mention. but what seals the deal for me in my attraction is what i see in someone's eyes, their soul, their nature. and what i find most attractive is someone who is true to that nature, to themselves. i honestly believe that that if we cannot be true to ourselves, how can we begin to be true to others.

so, where you see trauma, i see beauty, strength, courage...because it takes all that to be true to one's self no matter what society throws up as a roadblock. and i am personally floored by that.

read the quote again. truly read it. it's all about strength, courage, beauty, empowerment...if you can't see that, if all you can see is what you term trauma, i am sorry. i have nothing more to add.



Trans women. if it's not about the genitals, what is it?

"My friend, still perplexed, asked me, "So if it's not about genitals, what is it about trans women's bodies that you find most attractive?"

I paused for a second to consider the question. Then I replied that it is almost always their eyes. When I look into them, I see both endless strength and inconsolable sadness. I see someone who has overcome humiliation and abuses that would flatten the average person. I see a woman who was made to feel shame for her desires and yet had the courage to pursue them anyway. I see a woman who was forced against her will into boyhood, who held on to a dream that everybody in her life desperately tried to beat out of her, who refused to listen to the endless stream of people who told her that who she was and what she wanted was impossible.

When I look into trans women's eyes, I see a profound appreciation for how fucking empowering it can be to be female, an appreciation that seems lost on many cissexual women who sadly take their female identities and anatomies for granted, or who perpetually seek to cast themselves as victims rather than instigators. In trans women's eyes, I see a wisdom that can only come from having to fight for your right to be recognized as female, a raw strength that only comes from unabashedly asserting your right to be feminine in an inhospitable world. In a trans woman's eyes, I see someone who understands that, in a culture that's seemingly fueled on male homophobic hysteria, choosing to be female and openly expressing one's femininity is not a sign of frivolousness, weakness, or passivity, it is a fucking badge of courage. Everybody loves to say that drag queens are "fabulous," but nobody seems to get the fact that trans women are fucking badass!"

- Julia Serano

[whatsupwithat]

[quote=lust4ts]Seriously, you're a nice guy, don't waste your time on him. He is a troll who is extremely single minded. You know who you are, so fuck him, sincerely he is not worth it!

ahhh, gracias.

No probs man, I just ignore him :D[/quote

i can't help myself!

i'm stepping away from the computer...stepping away...

[whatsupwithat]

:D Remember folks, sex with Buck is "STRAIGHT" because Smashy says so!!!

A couple more of Buck.

wait...but i have gay male friend who slept with buck. seriously. the plot thickens...

Tell him that it doesn't matter how he feels. He had sex with Buck, so he's must be straight now. :lol:
he'll probably just say he was drunk and didn't know. ;)

[lust4ts]

[quote=lust4ts]Seriously, you're a nice guy, don't waste your time on him. He is a troll who is extremely single minded. You know who you are, so fuck him, sincerely he is not worth it!

ahhh, gracias.

No probs man, I just ignore him :D[/quote

i can't help myself!

i'm stepping away from the computer...stepping away...

I know man, I had the same thing with him a while back, I gave in because I just felt like I was smashing my head against a brick wall......Perhaps that is why he chose that screen name? He has his view and he will never change it. As much as you're right unfortunately I feel you are..............

[SmashysmashY]

this is where i'll point out your cult-like behavior although i'm certain anyone reading this has picked up on it. people who disagree with you are not worth talking to but they are worth talking about (a lot) so you can discuss how evil and stupid they are for not accepting the holy truths of the group. that's not at all strange btw.

[MacShreach]

Seriously, you're a nice guy, don't waste your time on him. He is a troll who is extremely single minded. You know who you are, so fuck him, sincerely he is not worth it!

ahhh, gracias.

No probs man, I just ignore him :D

Yup. If enough people do it, he'll vanish, because a troll's only interest is getting attention for himself. He has demonstrated (and long before he decided to stir it in this thread, a quick search of his posting history will confirm) that he is a bitter, twisted, vicious individual who has no respect for others and whose only interest is in causing trouble and doing damage.

[MacShreach]

He's unintentionally funny and I for one, wont put him on ignore, because he's such a good source of comedy. :lol:

Maybe I should unignore him.....Hmmmm. Lemme think about that.

[MacShreach]

[quote=SmashysmashY]i know who buck angel is. if you fucked them then technical you'd be able to say you engaged in heterosexual activity/quote]

So Guys, once more in review....

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Brilliant.

[macfan]

ultimately the turn-on is between my ears, it's about the path she has travelled, the things she has done, the simple miracle that she can be what she is.....and then give herself to me (well okay sell herself, but wtf).....But to make it work, the whole trick, the theatre of transformation, she has to be absolutely feminine in look, voice and behaviour, with all the qualities that you both refer to.

I would like to gain more experience with PO TS escorts because the couple of times I've been with one have been just as good a buzz....unfortunately they're much harder to find, at least I have found it so. The kick is a little different, it's sort of "Wow you actually went all the way for me....Damn that's hot." ( I never noticed any shortcomings in the fanny department either and believe me I study these things....)

You summed up exactly how I feel about TG ladies and that is where my attraction for them lies irrespective of a penis. It is because I am attracted to her for the stated qualities above that I have no yearning desire for the penis that she may or may not possess because in all likelihood it is not an imperative part of her daily expression, the femininity however is.

While the penis is obviously there physically she does not make it a centerpiece of intimacy, unless she so chooses to do at her own accord and not mine. This is the difference, there are guys that want to make the penis a vital part of the experience of being with a TG woman and there are those like myself who look beyond it in the sexual experience. There is no right and wrong on that just individual preferences. The stated qualities by MacShreach is what attracts me and allows me to look beyond merely the physical genitalia. It's not merely about the sex but the entire journey of TGism that is an attraction to myself.

[macfan]

This clown has been saying the same thing since the day he joined HA. Out of 300 posts, you'll find that in about 275, he is basically just repeating the same thing, over and over and over again.:lol:

I picked up similar vibes after just about three responses with the guy and figured it was time to move on. I just wish I had known of him all along and would never have acknowledged his first post I encountered on this thread and chose to respond. Nothing new to see here move along. :).

I guess his whole game is to convince the men on here that they are indeed gay because we are attracted to the most manly women, broad shoulders and a penis, as he has regurgitated over and over. Yeah got me guy, that is why I'm attraced to TG women. :roll:

[62des]

So here's the question. Exactly how homo do you have to be to imply that sex with ANY PERSON that resembles a man in looks and everything but genetics, is heterosexual. REALLY GHEY. Who gives a fuck if buck has a pussy or not, look at the outer shell! Only a gay man would have sex with that! How would it be possible for a straight guy to be attracted to a man figure despite the fact that between the legs there's a vagina. Its not because then he would've already been gay in the first place. Attraction to a feminine m2f transexual being is in fact, a heterosexual attraction because its the figure of a woman. Vice versa for a f2m. Doesn't matter what they used to be, its what they look like in the present.

[Night Rider]

i know who buck angel is. if you fucked them then technical you'd be able to say you engaged in heterosexual activity but the activity is so suspect that i would say you might as well just take the leap of engaging in homosexual activity.

So Guys, once more in review....

lmaoooooooo

[sexyredman]

So here's the question. Exactly how homo do you have to be to imply that sex with ANY PERSON that resembles a man in looks and everything but genetics, is heterosexual. REALLY GHEY. Who gives a fuck if buck has a pussy or not, look at the outer shell! Only a gay man would have sex with that! How would it be possible for a straight guy to be attracted to a man figure despite the fact that between the legs there's a vagina. Its not because then he would've already been gay in the first place. Attraction to a feminine m2f transexual being is in fact, a heterosexual attraction because its the figure of a woman. Vice versa for a f2m. Doesn't matter what they used to be, its what they look like in the present.

^^^^ Touched a sore spot with this one :lol:

[Don Ho]

If you guys aren't interested in the fact that the the girl has a cock then why come to this site?


Ass-kissing a troll will gain you few friends here, junior.


And if you're so interested in cock why don't you go to a gay site? 'Cause if you don't like the fact that there are people here who are not interested in cock, if it bothers you, if the presence of people like me make you feel like a poof, tough fucking titty, because that's the way it is, noob. What are you so upset about ''Junior"? Smash makes a good point. Anyway did i say interested in cock or did i say interested in the fact that a girl has a cock? Oh yeah the noob insult thing... wow i feel so bad now. Your a funny guy.

[MacShreach]

Your a funny guy.

I can be a whole heap funnier. Are you offering?

[Don Ho]

Your a funny guy.

I can be a whole heap funnier. Are you offering?Yes! I am a fan of comedy so please entertain me.

[a994]

So here's the question. Exactly how homo do you have to be to imply that sex with ANY PERSON that resembles a man in looks and everything but genetics, is heterosexual. REALLY GHEY. Who gives a fuck if buck has a pussy or not, look at the outer shell! Only a gay man would have sex with that! How would it be possible for a straight guy to be attracted to a man figure despite the fact that between the legs there's a vagina.


Amen 62des. And also for that matter there are plenty of genetic women whom I would never dream of doing anything sexual with because they're too old for me and/or just too daggone ugly-looking. Also I have known plenty of genetic women who are not particularly feminine, and that is a major turn-off for me.

[GinX]

Here's my take on the whole thing, strictly from a personal view.

I enjoy bottoming to t-girls much more than I enjoy topping. Does that make me a homosexual? Of course not. The reason is thus: I am not in any way sexually attracted to men. I have no interest in being intimate with any male or anyone who is masculine. However, since anal penetration feels very good to me-as I'm sure it would for most men, since penetration stimulates the prostate, which itself is an erogenous zone-I've been able to experience the pleasure of that with t-girls who like to top. It should be noted that I also enjoy "regular" sex with genetic women.

Now, some people will argue that the above makes me inherently gay. If they do, that's fine...I'm not going to get into any arguments over something like perceived sexual orientation. Personally, I think of myself as bisexual, despite the fact that men do not excite me sexually. I am also of the opinion that every guy here, whether he is a devoted top or bottom, is of bisexual orientation..but, as I said, thats just my opinion, not a fact.

That's my two cents.

[tollroad]

Here's my take on the whole thing, strictly from a personal view.

I enjoy bottoming to t-girls much more than I enjoy topping. Does that make me a homosexual? Of course not. The reason is thus: I am not in any way sexually attracted to men. I have no interest in being intimate with any male or anyone who is masculine. However, since anal penetration feels very good to me-as I'm sure it would for most men, since penetration stimulates the prostate, which itself is an erogenous zone-I've been able to experience the pleasure of that with t-girls who like to top. It should be noted that I also enjoy "regular" sex with genetic women.

Now, some people will argue that the above makes me inherently gay. If they do, that's fine...I'm not going to get into any arguments over something like perceived sexual orientation. Personally, I think of myself as bisexual, despite the fact that men do not excite me sexually. I am also of the opinion that every guy here, whether he is a devoted top or bottom, is of bisexual orientation..but, as I said, thats just my opinion, not a fact.

That's my two cents.

This is why you are gay:
1) your prose is verbose
2) your avatar is of an obviously effeminate man
3) you wrote "that's fine" if some people will argue that the above makes me inherently gay, as if you're content to go passive in the face of being called a queer
4) you "enjoy bottoming to t-girls"

[tollroad]

Amen 62des. And also for that matter there are plenty of genetic women whom I would never dream of doing anything sexual with because they're too old for me and/or just too daggone ugly-looking. Also I have known plenty of genetic women who are not particularly feminine, and that is a major turn-off for me.

Gays-in-denial are the culprits who always use this argument, a form of which goes as: "I'm attracted to femininity, and that is why I love t-girls, because they are feminine with a cock. And by-the-way, there are some genetic women who are not feminine or don't turn me on. So it is not the vagina that makes you straight."

Well I imagine with 6 billion people in the world and 50% being women, you're bound to run into a few GG's who are not feminine or who do not turn you on. No one is saying that a willingness to do anyone with a pussy makes you straight.

In fact, you can be straight and not interested in tapping a woman's pussy. But if you are a man and you want a cock, then you are GAY, even if the cock is on a feminine body.

[tollroad]

So you find the whole premise of this forum to be offensive, huh? Because every post that you type has the same message. http://www.hungangels.com/board/search.php?search_author=tollroad

You're hysterical.

I'm here for the post-ops, not the gay-play.

[tollroad]

You're hysterical.

I'm here for the post-ops, not the gay-play.This is a 99% pre-op forum. Post ops are not "Hung", jackass.

So you have taken it on yourself to imply that the pro-post-op visitors they are not welcome.

[GinX]

Here's my take on the whole thing, strictly from a personal view.

I enjoy bottoming to t-girls much more than I enjoy topping. Does that make me a homosexual? Of course not. The reason is thus: I am not in any way sexually attracted to men. I have no interest in being intimate with any male or anyone who is masculine. However, since anal penetration feels very good to me-as I'm sure it would for most men, since penetration stimulates the prostate, which itself is an erogenous zone-I've been able to experience the pleasure of that with t-girls who like to top. It should be noted that I also enjoy "regular" sex with genetic women.

Now, some people will argue that the above makes me inherently gay. If they do, that's fine...I'm not going to get into any arguments over something like perceived sexual orientation. Personally, I think of myself as bisexual, despite the fact that men do not excite me sexually. I am also of the opinion that every guy here, whether he is a devoted top or bottom, is of bisexual orientation..but, as I said, thats just my opinion, not a fact.

That's my two cents.

This is why you are gay:
1) your prose is verbose
2) your avatar is of an obviously effeminate man
3) you wrote "that's fine" if some people will argue that the above makes me inherently gay, as if you're content to go passive in the face of being called a queer
4) you "enjoy bottoming to t-girls"


Well, let me respond:
1. If my post was too verbose, than apparently you are incapable of reading any post longer than a sentence or two. It's not my fault your IQ is the same as your shoe size.
2. I wasn't aware that wearing black and dark blue was considered "effeminate". Kind of a stupid world you live in.
3. I wrote "that's fine", because it is fine. If you want to call me 'gay' or a 'queer', be my guest. Do you think just because you say it it makes it true?
4. Yeah...I enjoy it quite a bit. If you had read my post, you'd understand why...but the logic appears to have escaped your tiny little brain

So you're her for post-op girls, eh? Seems to me that you just enjoy fucking guys who have had their cocks removed...which would mean that you're just out to fuck emasculated and feminized men, most likely because it makes you feel tough and dominant and...holy shit! You are fucking GAY.

[tollroad]

It would be like going to a forum that features 2 wheel drive vehicles, and insulting the people who aren't interested in 4 wheel drive vehicles. It would be like telling them that they're not "real" drivers, and they can't appreciate "real" cars; as you wait to catch a glimpse of that one out of a thousand 4WD jpeg. In other words, you're an asshole who should shut up.

4WD? How masculine.

[tollroad]

You are fucking GAY.

What is "fucking gay"? If you like to get bottomed by a dude in a skirt, does that mean you are "fucked gay"?

[GinX]

You are fucking GAY.

What is "fucking gay"? If you like to get bottomed by a dude in a skirt, does that mean you are "fucked gay"?

Nope...it just means you are as "gay" as the rest of us.

Maybe now you'll rethink your logic.

Or maybe you won't....either way, I don't find much credibility from a guy who is about as bright as burnt out bulb.

[tollroad]

Nope...it just means you are as "gay" as the rest of us.

Maybe now you'll rethink your logic.

Or maybe you won't....either way, I don't find much credibility from a guy who is about as bright as burnt out bulb.

A snippy hissy fit... further evidence of your gayness.

[tollroad]

Oh well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[GinX]

Nope...it just means you are as "gay" as the rest of us.

Maybe now you'll rethink your logic.

Or maybe you won't....either way, I don't find much credibility from a guy who is about as bright as burnt out bulb.

A snippy hissy fit... further evidence of your gayness.


You seem quite the authority on what is gay and what is not. Must be from all the time you've spent bring gay like the rest of us.

[tollroad]

You seem quite the authority on what is gay and what is not. Must be from all the time you've spent bring gay like the rest of us.

I am not an authority on butterflies but I know them when i see them.

[tollroad]

Oh well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.No. You'll just have to accept that you don't fit in. Good luck.

Bitter. So bitter.

[GinX]

You seem quite the authority on what is gay and what is not. Must be from all the time you've spent bring gay like the rest of us.

I am not an authority on butterflies but I know them when i see them.


I am not an authority on morons, but I know one when I see one.

[KiraHarden]

Oh well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Why are you on HA? Are you into TS or not ?

[tollroad]

Oh well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Why are you on HA? Are you into TS or not ?

As I've said before, I am here for the post-ops. If you don't consider such women to be TS, then please state why.

[KiraHarden]

Oh well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Why are you on HA? Are you into TS or not ?

As I've said before, I am here for the post-ops. If you don't consider such women to be TS, then please state why.
Well I dont think your going to do well, since most post ops considered themselves woman before SRS, and your insulting them also. You need to rework your game plan.

[tollroad]

Oh well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Why are you on HA? Are you into TS or not ?

As I've said before, I am here for the post-ops. If you don't consider such women to be TS, then please state why.
Well I dont think your going to do well, since most post ops considered themselves woman before SRS, and your insulting them also. You need to rework your game plan.

pre-SRS, women in spirit, but not in body. that is the basis of the expression "i want to become a woman." please don't try to educate me on what it means to be post-op

[KiraHarden]

Oh well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Why are you on HA? Are you into TS or not ?

As I've said before, I am here for the post-ops. If you don't consider such women to be TS, then please state why.
Well I dont think your going to do well, since most post ops considered themselves woman before SRS, and your insulting them also. You need to rework your game plan.

pre-SRS, women in spirit, but not in body. that is the basis of the expression "i want to become a woman." please don't try to educate me on what it means to be post-op
Trust me, I woudn't think of trying to educate you on anything.

[CaliGuy]

"No. Around here, the "chicks have dicks", and they're still woman. "

According to who, someone who looks like a member of Hell's Angels? :)

[CaliGuy]

Little Nicole get her tiny ego bruised?

[CaliGuy]

Oh Nicole, is that the best you got? hahaha Go hide under your bed little boy.