T-girlfriend?

[scorpion]

I wonder how many of you here have or has earlier a transexuell girlfriend.
is it just a fantasy or do you realy live toghethr whith a transexuall???

[TheGuard]

Easier said than done. I'm sure there is a strong contingent of guys here, if the opportunity presented itself, would actively pursue relationships. Unfortunately for those of us not in a larger market, there is often a scarce pool of potentials (See: Non-Existent) I think there's a distinction to be drawn between motivations such as those and a pure fantasizer interested only in sex, where some are left with only fantasies as an option. It does a disservice to everyone involved if potential transsexual girlfriends aren't held to the same standards are genetic girlfriends, choosiness isn't lessened simply because of a cock. So there seem to be quite a few obstacles to pursuing a relationship with a TS, but hopefully not insurmountable. Only my personal point of view - but I think it explains many situation here - so this is a great outlet for at least....some sort of....contact with the TS community, and at the very least I'm thankful for that.

[peggygee]

Easier said than done. I'm sure there is a strong contingent of guys here, if the opportunity presented itself, would actively pursue relationships. Unfortunately for those of us not in a larger market, there is often a scarce pool of potentials (See: Non-Existent) I think there's a distinction to be drawn between motivations such as those and a pure fantasizer interested only in sex, where some are left with only fantasies as an option. It does a disservice to everyone involved if potential transsexual girlfriends aren't held to the same standards are genetic girlfriends, choosiness isn't lessened simply because of a cock. So there seem to be quite a few obstacles to pursuing a relationship with a TS, but hopefully not insurmountable. Only my personal point of view - but I think it explains many situation here - so this is a great outlet for at least....some sort of....contact with the TS community, and at the very least I'm thankful for that.


Do you or any of the guys utilize any of the trans related dating sites?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Whenever I'm single I never can find a guy online cause they are loco or in love with the stigma of who they think I am.

[TheGuard]

The few I'm aware of; TS Girlfriend, URNotAlone, some lesser sites such as Adult Friend Finder. By and large they turned out to be dead ends. Suggestions are more than welcome.

[peggygee]

Whenever I'm single I never can find a guy online cause they are loco or in love with the stigma of who they think I am.

Post 2500

Yeah online dating sites seem to not always get me the best results,
whether it's transrelated ones or mainstream ones like Match.com, or
True.com, etc.

[TheGuard]

Whenever I'm single I never can find a guy online cause they are loco or in love with the stigma of who they think I am.

Online dating - that's a whole other issue - personally it isn't an avenue I would normally go down - but it feels next to impossible to find a real world connection. I recently graduated from a large University, and I'll be damned if out of our 50,000 + students there weren't some transwomen, but they were completely off my radar.

[TheGuard]

...and that isn't to say that you ladies don't have your own issues seeking men who are attracted to transsexuals, The whole thing is just fucked.

[hondarobot]

Well, who knows? A rebound time is required between relationships. Sometimes us guys forget that.

I'm gonna fuck the slutiest club rat girl I can find Sunday.

:wink:

[peggygee]

The few I'm aware of; TS Girlfriend, URNotAlone, some lesser sites such as Adult Friend Finder. By and large they turned out to be dead ends. Suggestions are more than welcome.

TS Girlfriend's not too bad.

TG Matchmaker - booty calls

AFF - definetely booty calls

LVTG - booty call

TSMatch -they're not too bad

Match.com, True.com are always cyber pimping,
filling my email with bs

[Fox]

Easier said than done. I'm sure there is a strong contingent of guys here, if the opportunity presented itself, would actively pursue relationships. Unfortunately for those of us not in a larger market, there is often a scarce pool of potentials (See: Non-Existent) I think there's a distinction to be drawn between motivations such as those and a pure fantasizer interested only in sex, where some are left with only fantasies as an option. It does a disservice to everyone involved if potential transsexual girlfriends aren't held to the same standards are genetic girlfriends, choosiness isn't lessened simply because of a cock. So there seem to be quite a few obstacles to pursuing a relationship with a TS, but hopefully not insurmountable. Only my personal point of view - but I think it explains many situation here - so this is a great outlet for at least....some sort of....contact with the TS community, and at the very least I'm thankful for that.


Do you or any of the guys utilize any of the trans related dating sites?

I made a couple profiles across different sites (TG-specific and general), but never expected much to come of it. I did it more to see what might happen instead of using it as a serious medium for meeting anyone.

[peggygee]

Whenever I'm single I never can find a guy online cause they are loco or in love with the stigma of who they think I am.

Online dating - that's a whole other issue - personally it isn't an avenue I would normally go down - but it feels next to impossible to find a real world connection. I recently graduated from a large University, and I'll be damned if out of our 50,000 + students there weren't some transwomen, but they were completely off my radar.

TSGirlfriend, and TSMatch seem to have people that are looking for
LTRs, and TGirltalk is a maybe for meeting someone, and is great for
convo.

[TheGuard]

Location seems to be the biggest issue, so at the end of the day it's no ones fault but my own - Harrisburg just isn't going to cut it.

Peggy, thanks for the overview - haven't heard of a few mentioned, worth perusing.

[peggygee]

Easier said than done. I'm sure there is a strong contingent of guys here, if the opportunity presented itself, would actively pursue relationships. Unfortunately for those of us not in a larger market, there is often a scarce pool of potentials (See: Non-Existent) I think there's a distinction to be drawn between motivations such as those and a pure fantasizer interested only in sex, where some are left with only fantasies as an option. It does a disservice to everyone involved if potential transsexual girlfriends aren't held to the same standards are genetic girlfriends, choosiness isn't lessened simply because of a cock. So there seem to be quite a few obstacles to pursuing a relationship with a TS, but hopefully not insurmountable. Only my personal point of view - but I think it explains many situation here - so this is a great outlet for at least....some sort of....contact with the TS community, and at the very least I'm thankful for that.


Do you or any of the guys utilize any of the trans related dating sites?

I made a couple profiles across different sites (TG-specific and general), but never expected much to come of it. I did it more to see what might happen instead of using it as a serious medium for meeting anyone.

How were your results?

For me it seems like the fairly decent guys are half a world away. At one
point I could have relocated but now that's a difficult option.

As I'm mildly bi I've widened my search to include natal females and
or drama free trans females.

[peggygee]

Location seems to be the biggest issue, so at the end of the day it's no ones fault but my own - Harrisburg just isn't going to cut it.

Peggy, thanks for the overview - haven't heard of a few mentioned, worth perusing.

Oh, and there were a few Myspace groups that have people looking for LTRs.

I've forgotten their names as I have been doing as much
circuit riding for transrights as I used to. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_rider_(Religious))

[KiraHarden]

The guys should try adding a few current and good clear photos to there profiles and ads for dating... Face and body pics (Not Cock pics) with a nice profile may help That will show me your somewhat serious about dating a TS woman in public and not embarresed about it or scared someone will out you.

[D'yer Mak'er]

Unfortunately not a real one. Perhaps online if that were to count (I wouldn't say so), but that's pretty pathetic I know. Still, she adores me (and I her), but lives on the other side of the world. Were the chance ever to arise that the option of us being together were possible, I would do it.

[fubar123]

I wonder how many of you here have or has earlier a transexuell girlfriend.
is it just a fantasy or do you realy live toghethr whith a transexuall???

i've never had a t/s g/f but i would if i met the right girl.

[justatransgirl]

I occasionally post on those sites, but they keep banning me... something about paying in installments rather than after the divorce I guess...

PS - I'm available for a LTR with a very wealthy gentleman, with or without Jessica. Not really. But I will go for a weekend!

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[ottorocket]

YEs i have...

[florida_raul]

I had ts girlfriend. We lived apart though - 5 hours by driving. Was best time of my life. If ts is passable, then i dont think it's much different than having gg girlfriend.

[hwbs]

i have had 4 ltr ranging from 1-3 years..i have dated many other in my short time in the scene..internet dating isn't 4 me ..i am good at real time and not computers...met one girl once online ..we dated for a few months..we usually hook up when i see her at the parties...i know what works for me and what doesn't..that is the key to success..

[Adam_Thompson]

first of all I would love to see more posts about topics like this.
Second, I have tried tgpersonals-there used to be a great site to meet, but of course escorts invaded it and now it sucks. Honestly Myspace seems to be the best spot. Just post your real pics and IF you're so scared of people finding out you probably shouldn't be doing it anyway or you can hide your friends from your profile(a bit cowardly).But I have met a few girls on there (as friends) and they are cool as hell too. I've dated a few women that were transsexuals...1 good experience...2 bad ( told me they had real jobs and ended up seeing them on a porn site)

[peggygee]

first of all I would love to see more posts about topics like this.


Second, I have tried tgpersonals-there used to be a great site to meet, but of course escorts invaded it and now it sucks. Honestly Myspace seems to be the best spot.

I remember tgpersonals, met a few decent people,but then the
site fell off.

[pittsburghadmirer]

About 4-5 years ago, I had this thing that I really, really, really a LTR with a TG. Call it a pipe dream or what not. I don't exactly live in the TG mecca of the world (Pittsburgh), but through the Internet and several sites, I was fortunate enough to meet quite a few around my age. Most of them were students at one of the many colleges in the city.

I ended up dating a couple. Nothing really long-term, but several months for each. They each had issues that weren't talked about sooner, and while they were both nice people, their respective issues really hindered the relationship.

Another TG I took out on a date or two was really, really, really attractive and one of the more passable TGs I ever saw. But, alas, she moved and nothing more came out of it.

I haven't dated a TG since that and am now happily married, but that was a fun time in my life.

[BiGuy4TS]

I've had two serious relationships with TG women in the last few years. No shame or embarrassment here, I'm proud of the women I date.

[hiwatt1000]

...I've been in three LTRs with a t'women. Two moved in to my house and one had her own place she wanted to keep.

[damn-trying to get photos, still]

It was like a GG relationship. One, being a Japanese national, One a Finnish national and the other was the trusty North American Caucasian model. Dated a few others since-nothing serious. Mind you-the ethnicity wasn't planned-just happened out of coincidence.

I met them through this thing some of us have; a modicum of bravery to go up to someone at start a conversation. Mind you-I'm not in possession of a models' looks, a stock-brokers salary or a big house and toys. I did the online thing, too.

Online---kinda flaky...I got and still get the, "are you generous?" And in fact-you're most likely going to be in communication with someone who's second home is the club scene...not all, but a good majority. Most have confused me as an ATM; a lot of taking and very little, if not anything in return...sayonara.

A trip to Peanuts or some other places around LA/OC---just having some of those...ya, balls...to go up, say hi...some are stuck up and rather unhospitable...so-I tend to leave those chicks to the goons willing to put up with chasing them around the club all night. Some "working girls" have approached me via the crotch-grab.

It's not like you're gonna be at the market and run into some chick, introduce yourself and walk her out to her car and grab a drink later that night...maybe for some, but the Whole Foods near my house is full of those Earthy snooty chicks with a Volvo wagon...not cool.

Gee, they wonder why I date t'girls...I guess it really doesn't matter if they're GG's or T'Girls...there's some good ones and bad ones in every bunch...I think it's harder to meet T'Girls. I've been dating for 14 years now and my partners have been loaded on 'mones and have been about as stable as a house of cards, some have been silicone blow-up dolls, cut/ uncut, smart/dumb, tops/bottoms and some have assimilated into the population unnoticed...they're people...people do things...people are hard to meet and keep...in a relationship, that is.

...me; I think I'm interesting, attractive, and generally a nice guy...enough to captivate someone into more than just buying them a drink at a bar or going through a barrage of online dating emails to get their attention.

Sometimes it's the "metrosexual" thing the chicks like...Sometimes it's the "guy-guy" thing...Kelly Shore elluded to guys being attracted to her "stigma"...right on.

I can't tell you how many chicks–GG or TG–ike the idea of a guy that has a garage full of [cool] motorcycles, living-room full of guitars, hates sports on TV, has a house, plays music and digs art and eats food he can't pronounce...but when it comes time for me to travel for a race [see you in Europe this Spring, ladies], put some long hours at the office or weed my flowerbeds...shit, that cuts into their time shopping at Sephora, the mall or taking three hours to get ready to go out to the local gay bar, or disco...so, Kelly---it goes both ways, sister...I hear ya...

Maybe the "stigma" of an LTR is suicide to some folks? I think that with some maturity--the LTR comes easier? Sometimes-people can't articulate what they're looking for? I don't know...

..phew. women...regardless of what's between their legs...shame I can't keep away from them!

[NeoXtrim]

i ike the way you're thinking hiwatt1000 :)

[bezane]

Yeah Hiwatt and me are on the same page here. And Adam nailed it that the dating sites are hijacked by the hookers: "Want to catch a movie and some pizza?" "Sure. sounds great. My rates are 100 per hour for movie time as long as I don't have to look at your fugly face, unless it's a double feature and then I might do a discount if it includes a shopping spree. Sitting through pizza AND having to look at your fugly face.....250. Sex, well that's included if you go for the 500 companionship package." Or something like that.

Please. I've lived with the Superstar. I've lived with the not-so-superstar. Just the other night I fell off my chair for the sweetest thing on two feet. Bright, educated, so sexy. She came clean though....just a wee bit of escorting on the side......"to make ends meet." This chick could have worked anywhere.

So maybe all the thrillseekers and fantasy boys, the perverts and the masturbater set, needs to be excluded from the conversation. The real guys, the ones that are gentlemen and could give fuck all what anyone thinks, and the all aroud great guys like me!!!!!, well it's still a nightmare.

What is it in the girls that make them so elusive. Won't put all the blame on them. But it starts with leading a lifestyle that might be conducive to the relationship. I feel for Kelly. I think. Who wouldn't go out with Kelly? But beyound "the Kelly" and I'm only using her as an example, what's it all about? Educated, articulate, beautiful.....what are the aspirations of these girls in general? Is their life before the end result of transition, so filled with heartache, ridicule and loneliness that they've become alienated from being able to tell what is good and if someone that truly cares? Or are they permanently removed from the mainstream? A self imposed exile from everything? I think it might be. Partly based on society's shortcomings and partly their own lack of will to just be average. Just because you're hotter than hell doesn't mean that you have be exploited.
And I'm coming from a point of view where I'm not exactly considered a monster or out of shape. I'm a gentleman, I'm in great shape yadayadada.....

So this is more my protest. And a challenge to these fucking beautiful great girls here that I love.....to take the next step toward the mainstream. Contrary to what many girls think here, there's no gold in them hills. But, a simple plan . With a simple partner. It's all building blocks to greatness, wealth and prosperity!!!! MY FELLOW AMERICANS!.

[peggygee]

...I've been in three LTRs with a t'women. Two moved in to my house and one had her own place she wanted to keep.

[damn-trying to get photos, still]

It was like a GG relationship. One, being a Japanese national, One a Finnish national and the other was the trusty North American Caucasian model. Dated a few others since-nothing serious. Mind you-the ethnicity wasn't planned-just happened out of coincidence.

I met them through this thing some of us have; a modicum of bravery to go up to someone at start a conversation. Mind you-I'm not in possession of a models' looks, a stock-brokers salary or a big house and toys. I did the online thing, too.

Online---kinda flaky...I got and still get the, "are you generous?" And in fact-you're most likely going to be in communication with someone who's second home is the club scene...not all, but a good majority. Most have confused me as an ATM; a lot of taking and very little, if not anything in return...sayonara.

A trip to Peanuts or some other places around LA/OC---just having some of those...ya, balls...to go up, say hi...some are stuck up and rather unhospitable...so-I tend to leave those chicks to the goons willing to put up with chasing them around the club all night. Some "working girls" have approached me via the crotch-grab.

It's not like you're gonna be at the market and run into some chick, introduce yourself and walk her out to her car and grab a drink later that night...maybe for some, but the Whole Foods near my house is full of those Earthy snooty chicks with a Volvo wagon...not cool.

Gee, they wonder why I date t'girls...I guess it really doesn't matter if they're GG's or T'Girls...there's some good ones and bad ones in every bunch...I think it's harder to meet T'Girls. I've been dating for 14 years now and my partners have been loaded on 'mones and have been about as stable as a house of cards, some have been silicone blow-up dolls, cut/ uncut, smart/dumb, tops/bottoms and some have assimilated into the population unnoticed...they're people...people do things...people are hard to meet and keep...in a relationship, that is.

...me; I think I'm interesting, attractive, and generally a nice guy...enough to captivate someone into more than just buying them a drink at a bar or going through a barrage of online dating emails to get their attention.

Sometimes it's the "metrosexual" thing the chicks like...Sometimes it's the "guy-guy" thing...Kelly Shore elluded to guys being attracted to her "stigma"...right on.

I can't tell you how many chicks–GG or TG–ike the idea of a guy that has a garage full of [cool] motorcycles, living-room full of guitars, hates sports on TV, has a house, plays music and digs art and eats food he can't pronounce...but when it comes time for me to travel for a race [see you in Europe this Spring, ladies], put some long hours at the office or weed my flowerbeds...shit, that cuts into their time shopping at Sephora, the mall or taking three hours to get ready to go out to the local gay bar, or disco...so, Kelly---it goes both ways, sister...I hear ya...

Maybe the "stigma" of an LTR is suicide to some folks? I think that with some maturity--the LTR comes easier? Sometimes-people can't articulate what they're looking for? I don't know...

..phew. women...regardless of what's between their legs...shame I can't keep away from them!



Yeah Hiwatt and me are on the same page here. And Adam nailed it that the dating sites are hijacked by the hookers: "Want to catch a movie and some pizza?" "Sure. sounds great. My rates are 100 per hour for movie time as long as I don't have to look at your fugly face, unless it's a double feature and then I might do a discount if it includes a shopping spree. Sitting through pizza AND having to look at your fugly face.....250. Sex, well that's included if you go for the 500 companionship package." Or something like that.

Please. I've lived with the Superstar. I've lived with the not-so-superstar. Just the other night I fell off my chair for the sweetest thing on two feet. Bright, educated, so sexy. She came clean though....just a wee bit of escorting on the side......"to make ends meet." This chick could have worked anywhere.

So maybe all the thrillseekers and fantasy boys, the perverts and the masturbater set, needs to be excluded from the conversation. The real guys, the ones that are gentlemen and could give fuck all what anyone thinks, and the all aroud great guys like me!!!!!, well it's still a nightmare.

What is it in the girls that make them so elusive. Won't put all the blame on them. But it starts with leading a lifestyle that might be conducive to the relationship. I feel for Kelly. I think. Who wouldn't go out with Kelly? But beyound "the Kelly" and I'm only using her as an example, what's it all about? Educated, articulate, beautiful.....what are the aspirations of these girls in general? Is their life before the end result of transition, so filled with heartache, ridicule and loneliness that they've become alienated from being able to tell what is good and if someone that truly cares? Or are they permanently removed from the mainstream? A self imposed exile from everything? I think it might be. Partly based on society's shortcomings and partly their own lack of will to just be average. Just because you're hotter than hell doesn't mean that you have be exploited.
And I'm coming from a point of view where I'm not exactly considered a monster or out of shape. I'm a gentleman, I'm in great shape yadayadada.....

So this is more my protest. And a challenge to these fucking beautiful great girls here that I love.....to take the next step toward the mainstream. Contrary to what many girls think here, there's no gold in them hills. But, a simple plan . With a simple partner. It's all building blocks to greatness, wealth and prosperity!!!! MY FELLOW AMERICANS!.

Great posts by the both of you. :wink:

You both come across well on paper, or at least in bits and bytes. You both
sound like keepers. You both say all of the right things.

Yet from the both of you I get the sense that you dip your worm in the
ocean quite a bit in an effort to catch a fish.

Now if either of you have read my posts, I hope that you can trust me
enough to believe that I didn't mean that in a shady way.

And I do realize that men have needs, and that sometimes you want to
try the milk before buying the cow.

I also realize the nature of many of my Sisters, the things they do, and to
some extent the reason that they say they do, the things they do.

So the question becomes where is the disconnect. Why is there the
difficulty in finding an adequate mate.

Are you fishing in the wrong rivers, looking for love in the wrong places,
bars, escort sites, using the wrong bait, the wrong pole, trying to make
a ho a housewife?

I've mixed enough metaphors, so folks can have a field day responding
to this post.

[bezane]

peggygee......a ho a housewife? LOL Yeah. I do that.

But that life has become so "normal" in the TS community and encouraged. Take someone on this board as sweet and nice as Jamie. While I'm sure she meant no harm she stated a couple of times recently that why would a girl that lost her job look for one at $20 an hour when they can get one for $200?

And then she added on another thread they they simply put a single ad on Craigslist and made $2000 the very first day.

Well not to be Mr. Responsibility here but this is crazy talk. I'm sure Jamie has made a cool million at the game as others have. Especially at 2K a day.

But I will say this without mentioning any other names. I know some elite girls. They don't make that type of dough. As a matter of fact I lived with an elite escort that travels the world with A-list clientele and never made it. Okay maybe 2 or 3 times.

And $200 an hour? I'd rather see a girl have an 8 hour a day job making $200 with benefits and security then gambling their future on a business that has so much risk. And I'm often met with the bit about it being that I don't want my girl fucking all these men. Well, to a degree I'd like my girl to myself. Who wouldn't? But thats just a poor excuse because it's not like there's not a wee bit of risk.

Glamorizing the escort life is just plain fantasy. High price call girls that have made hundreds and hundreds of thousands to millions like Jamie are a scant few. Bless them.

But every time I meet a girl that isn't an escort the temptation is there because of how great another TS says it is.

Your posts peggygee may be unpopular because no one likes a grim fucking reaper when it comes to self-reflection. And this thread will go unnoticed because of the same feelings.

Even the little girl Ashley when saying that she wanted to turn her academics into a great job was met with the idea of go get into porn or why give it away for nothing. Some said in joking fashion I understand. But c'mon already. I truly believe that I have more to offer than just $300 an hour to a girl for some gratuitous sex. And if thats true then I'm sure she has bit more to offer the world than her services as a hooker.

My conclusion is that the TS world is deteriorating. While I have no issue with the porn business, let's not confuse it with the escort business. You can use them hand in hand. But the escort business will assist in destroying people's lives. Period. And to the survivors that love their jobs, thats great. But the future will be unkind to you. At least thats what I have witnessed.

Thanks though peggygee. I see your points. And as you see I've been a visitor here now again since the beginning of this board. I know the biz better than some of the Queen Bees here. And I support the girls that are caught up in the business. My advice is to form an exit strategy early on. Get an education. Legitimate business can make more than an illicit one. And love is something that should inspire, not inhibit.

[peggygee]

You've made many cogent points, some that I have touched on elsewhere,
and some that I may yet touch on depending on other answers to my
posts, and your response.

But I would like to re-iterate the question:

Do you feel that many transwomen are not in relationships because they
escorting, or are there other variables to factor in.

[hiwatt1000]

...I hear ya with the worm, cow and ho things.

[TomSelis]

Your posts peggygee may be unpopular because no one likes a grim fucking reaper when it comes to self-reflection. And this thread will go unnoticed because of the same feelings.


Nope, I think it's a damned good thread.

[hiwatt1000]

...Kira's comments about posting a real profile and real photo, sans cock---been there, done that.

My favorites are: "looking for a real relationship" Which means-drive me to the disco and buy me and my friends drinks...then drive us home. And the next famous--drop me a line, which means, "if you look like the Adonis at the Gay Bar I frequent, I might call you so you can take me out and buy me drinks...yadda, yadda, yadda...And concluding with the all-time fave: I like long walks on the beach, fine dining and the finer things in life. Which I found out means, "here are my rates".

It's hard to take these situations seriously...who doesn't like fine dining--so I'll swing by and get you, dressed like a disco-whore and hope I can get a seat at Matsuhisa and dump $300.00 on Sushi...no, better yet-we'll go for that long walk on the beach after I play phone tag with you for three days so by the time you and I actually speak--that long walk on the beach is from the Beverly Center parking structure to the front door of Bebe...ya, right...and then there's the party-chaser...sheesh...

I'm not bitter about it-sounds like it-yes. Just some observations I've made while dating. I mean-who the fuck in their right mind would date a GG that acts like that? Perhaps, we call that the Gold-Digger...ya, look hot so that some dumb guy comes along with his deep pockets and funds your existence...

I guess in some countries like Brazil, Thailand and the Philippines–T'girls are [big guess, here] doing it for just the downright need for money to support themselves and their families-then the mysticism of being a woman trapped in a man's body, second...I'm sure there's some indignities tht go along with that...but when there's a German tourist blown out on the boozer waving a hotel key and cash...the Ladyboy goes with that, instead of the guy trying his best to try his Thai, Portuguese or Tagalog out on his date at the bar...amazing how it all transcends one way or another...

I hate to bore you guys/girls with what borders a diatribe...but I dig T'Girls as much as the next dude, does. But...c'mon...Women's Lib stops when the wallet opens.

I admire the chicks I've dated that endured my lengthly, boring dialogs about Post WWII Modern Art, the complexities of Robert Fripp's guitar playing, my latest race and how I can fuck-up cooking a Quiche after attending cooking school and can paint for fuck's sake while holding and MFA!

...kudos to the wonderful "Lady" I took on my Honda to a wedding at the Wayfarer's Chapel...and didn't worry about getting "outted"...

[KiraHarden]

...Kira's comments about posting a real profile and real photo, sans cock---been there, done that.

My favorites are: "looking for a real relationship" Which means-drive me to the disco and buy me and my friends drinks...then drive us home. And the next famous--drop me a line, which means, "if you look like the Adonis at the Gay Bar I frequent, I might call you so you can take me out and buy me drinks...yadda, yadda, yadda...And concluding with the all-time fave: I like long walks on the beach, fine dining and the finer things in life. Which I found out means, "here are my rates".

It's hard to take these situations seriously...who doesn't like fine dining--so I'll swing by and get you, dressed like a disco-whore and hope I can get a seat at Matsuhisa and dump $300.00 on Sushi...no, better yet-we'll go for that long walk on the beach after I play phone tag with you for three days so by the time you and I actually speak--that long walk on the beach is from the Beverly Center parking structure to the front door of Bebe...ya, right...and then there's the party-chaser...sheesh...

I'm not bitter about it-sounds like it-yes. Just some observations I've made while dating. I mean-who the fuck in their right mind would date a GG that acts like that? Perhaps, we call that the Gold-Digger...ya, look hot so that some dumb guy comes along with his deep pockets and funds your existence...

I guess in some countries like Brazil, Thailand and the Philippines–T'girls are [big guess, here] doing it for just the downright need for money to support themselves and their families-then the mysticism of being a woman trapped in a man's body, second...I'm sure there's some indignities tht go along with that...but when there's a German tourist blown out on the boozer waving a hotel key and cash...the Ladyboy goes with that, instead of the guy trying his best to try his Thai, Portuguese or Tagalog out on his date at the bar...amazing how it all transcends one way or another...

I hate to bore you guys/girls with what borders a diatribe...but I dig T'Girls as much as the next dude, does. But...c'mon...Women's Lib stops when the wallet opens.

I admire the chicks I've dated that endured my lengthly, boring dialogs about Post WWII Modern Art, the complexities of Robert Fripp's guitar playing, my latest race and how I can fuck-up cooking a Quiche after attending cooking school and can paint for fuck's sake while holding and MFA!

...kudos to the wonderful "Lady" I took on my Honda to a wedding at the Wayfarer's Chapel...and didn't worry about getting "outted"...
Your a rare breed of man who dates TS woman you do know that. I've yet to find someone like you. :D Gives me hope, Thank you!

[TrueBeauty TS]

Hiwatt & bezane:

Those were great, great posts. I agree with both of you on many points. I see many of the same things with many of my friends.

I really don't know where to start. So many factors involved that I think I'll just go the "stream of consciousness" mode.

I believe there is peer preasure from TS's to get into escorting & porn. It seems to be one quick way to be validated. Having guys worship you feels great to someone that may have just been struggling with their identity. Also some fast, big money. And if you are OK with having sex with a lot of strangers, then you have it made. But I also think there is a price to be paid... sometimes girls don't know that until the bill comes down the road much later in life and it's too late. Every girl I know that escorts and/or does porn could easily get a regular job. They look good enough, they are smart enough. But the escort life makes them lazy, flakey, sometimes a little bitter & hard and they always want a job that will pay as much as $200 for 30 minutes.... and they aren't going to find that.

But by the same token, if guys are just going to use you as some kind of fetish, why not get paid for it? if people are going to love you & leave you, I would certainly want to be compensated.

As far as the new girl, I was one of the people that told that new girl that if she was going to post nude pics, she should get paid for them. PERSONALLY, if I was her, I would NOT post ANY nude pics, but as long as she is going to, she should get compensation. It's stupid not to.



Relationships:
It seems that about 85% of BOTH guys & girls are really messed up and have a lot of issues. And that makes it very, very difficult for the rest of the 15% of sincere guys & girls to trust one another. People have been burned on both sides.

I'm one of the lucky ones. I didn't get into drugs or drinking and I went to school and got "edgukated". I also have my dream career that many people would kill for, but I have the same problems as many other people when trying to meet someone. You meet flakes, "playas", drunks, druggies, unemployed people, married guys, DL guys, blah, blah, blah.....

Also, many guys expect all trannys to be exactly like the sex machines they see in the clubs & in film. Just going to the movies holding hands & kissing??? How boring!!!! And going shopping at Whole Foods??? No way! Trannys don't go shopping! :wink: And if you don't meet their ideal look in any way, they don't even bother to get to know your personality. (A big problem with the girls, also.)

And one other thing I've noticed, in the TS world, most guys want the sex first, and THEN they will decide if they want to pursue that person for a date or a relationship. And I think that's a very difficult thing for a TS that may have trust issues with guys.


LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN..... this is NOT man bashing. I'm just pointing things out from my point of view. It's definately 50-50 when it comes to difficlulties between TS's & guys.

Trying to have a TLR in the tranny world is no picnic for either side.

:cry:


(Sorry for the jumbled up post.)


.

[mbf]

I believe there is peer preasure from TS's to get into escorting & porn. It seems to be one quick way to be validated. Having guys worship you feels great to someone that may have just been struggling with their identity. Also some fast, big money. And if you are OK with having sex with a lot of strangers, then you have it made. But I also think there is a price to be paid... sometimes girls don't know that until the bill comes down the road much later in life and it's too late. Every girl I know that escorts and/or does porn could easily get a regular job. They look good enough, they are smart enough. But the escort life makes them lazy, flakey, sometimes a little bitter & hard and they always want a job that will pay as much as $200 for 30 minutes.... and they aren't going to find that.

But by the same token, if guys are just going to use you as some kind of fetish, why not get paid for it? if people are going to love you & leave you, I would certainly want to be compensated.

Relationships:
It seems that about 85% of BOTH guys & girls are really messed up and have a lot of issues. And that makes it very, very difficult for the rest of the 15% of sincere guys & girls to trust one another. People have been burned on both sides.

I'm one of the lucky ones. I didn't get into drugs or drinking and I went to school and got "edgukated". I also have my dream career that many people would kill for, but I have the same problems as many other people when trying to meet someone. You meet flakes, "playas", drunks, druggies, unemployed people, married guys, DL guys, blah, blah, blah.....

Also, many guys expect all trannys to be exactly like the sex machines they see in the clubs & in film. Just going to the movies holding hands & kissing??? How boring!!!! And going shopping at Whole Foods??? No way! Trannys don't go shopping! :wink: And if you don't meet their ideal look in any way, they don't even bother to get to know your personality. (A big problem with the girls, also.)

And one other thing I've noticed, in the TS world, most guys want the sex first, and THEN they will decide if they want to pursue that person for a date or a relationship. And I think that's a very difficult thing for a TS that may have trust issues with guys.


LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN..... this is NOT man bashing. I'm just pointing things out from my point of view. It's definately 50-50 when it comes to difficlulties between TS's & guys.

Trying to have a TLR in the tranny world is no picnic for either side.

:cry:


(Sorry for the jumbled up post.)


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now i am prolly steering towards the "ranting" area, but fuck it:

I hear that a lot, the guys blow it (no pun intended) , but seriously, there are few Trannies out there who ARE ltr-material as well.

here is my story: I had one, for about one year. It was a lot of drama, but thats not the thing that made it stop.

I met her at a club, we exchanged numbers.....and met some time later on. I dont regret anything, but I was lied to, about her job that is. I am not the dumbass as I may look, I was suspicious for a few reasons (why the heck do you need three mobile phones but I got the number only for two of them?????) and a little check regarding the escort-pages revealed, indeed, she was working as one on the side. I confronted her with my findings and offered to talk about the situation, but she was in total denial, refused to adress that BIG issue.

And you know what? She was indeed educated, very nice and prolly could have a "boring" normal job. But she chose the easy route.

As about myself - I hold a job, I am not that much of an ass all the time, but I cant easily support two people at once. And also for principle reasons I would like to see my girl working a job of her own. A fucking boring 9-5.

Dont get me wrong, I dont have anything against escorting, but I cant see that as a long term perspective in life. Its similar to sports, you have your prime between 20 and 30, maybe 35, and what next?

That means I am a write-off already from the start for may T-chicks, who seem to be steady members of the gold-digger-crew.

So am I ready for another TS-relationship? Not now and not in the near future.

[xfiver]

Whenever I'm single I never can find a guy online cause they are loco or in love with the stigma of who they think I am.

Do you know what "stigma" means?

No one knows who you are, because you have created so many cockamamie stories and personas it makes a persons head spin.

If a guy fell in love with YOU online, he would have to be the harbringer of a myriad of serious issues.

LOL

[bezane]

Hiwatt & bezane:

Those were great, great posts. I agree with both of you on many points. I see many of the same things with many of my friends.

I really don't know where to start. So many factors involved that I think I'll just go the "stream of consciousness" mode.

I believe there is peer preasure from TS's to get into escorting & porn. It seems to be one quick way to be validated. Having guys worship you feels great to someone that may have just been struggling with their identity. Also some fast, big money. And if you are OK with having sex with a lot of strangers, then you have it made. But I also think there is a price to be paid... sometimes girls don't know that until the bill comes down the road much later in life and it's too late. Every girl I know that escorts and/or does porn could easily get a regular job. They look good enough, they are smart enough. But the escort life makes them lazy, flakey, sometimes a little bitter & hard and they always want a job that will pay as much as $200 for 30 minutes.... and they aren't going to find that.

But by the same token, if guys are just going to use you as some kind of fetish, why not get paid for it? if people are going to love you & leave you, I would certainly want to be compensated.

As far as the new girl, I was one of the people that told that new girl that if she was going to post nude pics, she should get paid for them. PERSONALLY, if I was her, I would NOT post ANY nude pics, but as long as she is going to, she should get compensation. It's stupid not to.



Relationships:
It seems that about 85% of BOTH guys & girls are really messed up and have a lot of issues. And that makes it very, very difficult for the rest of the 15% of sincere guys & girls to trust one another. People have been burned on both sides.

I'm one of the lucky ones. I didn't get into drugs or drinking and I went to school and got "edgukated". I also have my dream career that many people would kill for, but I have the same problems as many other people when trying to meet someone. You meet flakes, "playas", drunks, druggies, unemployed people, married guys, DL guys, blah, blah, blah.....

Also, many guys expect all trannys to be exactly like the sex machines they see in the clubs & in film. Just going to the movies holding hands & kissing??? How boring!!!! And going shopping at Whole Foods??? No way! Trannys don't go shopping! :wink: And if you don't meet their ideal look in any way, they don't even bother to get to know your personality. (A big problem with the girls, also.)

And one other thing I've noticed, in the TS world, most guys want the sex first, and THEN they will decide if they want to pursue that person for a date or a relationship. And I think that's a very difficult thing for a TS that may have trust issues with guys.


LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN..... this is NOT man bashing. I'm just pointing things out from my point of view. It's definately 50-50 when it comes to difficlulties between TS's & guys.

Trying to have a TLR in the tranny world is no picnic for either side.

:cry:


(Sorry for the jumbled up post.)


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FUCK ME!!!!! True Beauty TS whoever the fuck you are. Maybe your just an apparition. Maybe I know you. But that post makes my life complete. I don't like to cry. It shows weakness. But I feel different after reading that. I hope the girls read it too. Thank you.

[justatransgirl]

But that life has become so "normal" in the TS community and encouraged. Take someone on this board as sweet and nice as Jamie. While I'm sure she meant no harm she stated a couple of times recently that why would a girl that lost her job look for one at $20 an hour when they can get one for $200?

And then she added on another thread they they simply put a single ad on Craigslist and made $2000 the very first day.

Well not to be Mr. Responsibility here but this is crazy talk. I'm sure Jamie has made a cool million at the game as others have. Especially at 2K a day.

But I will say this without mentioning any other names. I know some elite girls. They don't make that type of dough. As a matter of fact I lived with an elite escort that travels the world with A-list clientele and never made it. Okay maybe 2 or 3 times.

And $200 an hour? I'd rather see a girl have an 8 hour a day job making $200 with benefits and security then gambling their future on a business that has so much risk. And I'm often met with the bit about it being that I don't want my girl fucking all these men. Well, to a degree I'd like my girl to myself. Who wouldn't? But thats just a poor excuse because it's not like there's not a wee bit of risk.

Glamorizing the escort life is just plain fantasy. High price call girls that have made hundreds and hundreds of thousands to millions like Jamie are a scant few. Bless them.

And I support the girls that are caught up in the business. My advice is to form an exit strategy early on. Get an education. Legitimate business can make more than an illicit one. And love is something that should inspire, not inhibit.

Giggle... I WISH we made a million dollars! Do you really think I'd still be online if we did? LOL :-) :-)

Honey please don't take my words out of context.

Yes, our first day as escorts we did make over 2 grand. But that's not the norm. I wish it was. Giggle. And remember we are TWO people. And we are well known, and fun to date.

We did make a lot of money our first year or so, and in Vegas especially 2G days were / are not uncommon. That's only 4, $500 dates for TWO escorts. That's nothing in Vegas, where GG's doing doubles will easily pull 2g PER date. But we didn't do that at home by any stretch.

Currently we are putting our exit plan into place. Jessica is in temporary "retirement" and attending school full time so some day she can get a "real" job and support me in my impending old age. Most of our income is from video sales, I date about 25 times a month right now, a far cry from the 25-35 times a week we did when we started. We live a nice middle class lifestyle. But we are far from wealthy. Though after my orchi and boob job next month I think I'm going to start working Vegas again. Giggle.

Heck I'm still waiting for "Corvettedude" to swap me a vette for a "good time." giggle.

But you are right, escorting is a dangerous job with risks to your health and life. And there's nothing glamorous about sitting on the floor all night in the Vegas jail on a prostitution charge while homophobes call you "it."

But I also think that there are few options for many trans girls. In San Diego, where our 1 bedroom apartment is $1450 a month, and 38% of TS's here earn less than $15,000 a year how can a girl possibly survive without escorting if she has little education or job skills, perhaps a drug problem or depression.

Someone has to set them up, check up on them, hold their hands until they can manage on their own. It's a long term need, and the govt sure isn't going to help - they won't even give us job protections under ENDA.

So I'm sorry, I will not apologise to anyone for being a prostitute. I did and do what I have to do to support my partner and live at decent level in this country.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[MacShreach]

Some extremely good and thoughtful posts from bezane, TrueBeautyTS & Hiwatt.

I would have to say that one thing that really skews the whole issue is that you are all talking about escorting in an environment where it is illegal, prohibited. This is not the only possible scenario.

I have met a number of South American girls working in Europe and they definitely see themselves as having a career. Being in Europe, travelling, they see as confirmation of their success in that career. Some are very organised, saving money so they can buy a place back home, regularly sending money back to their mothers, that sort of thing. Euros go a long way in Brazil or Venezuela. Of course some are not so careful and blow it all, but we're all human.

I think one trigger that makes popular girls go SRS, amongst the South Americans anyway, is that they can afford it and they actually want more from life. They see themselves as having reached the peak that escorting and porn can provide and want to move on. So they get SRS and vanish from the scene. Although until quite recently very few Brazilian girls went SRS, these days we regularly hear of another high-profile girl completing her transition. These girls have money in the bank, probably invested in a little property, see themselves running a little hair salon or beauty parlour (this seems to be a very popular aspiration.) Or maybe they hooked up with some wealthy man, like Karol Mancini is reputed to have done.

This is all made more difficult if you have to deal with being criminalised just for having sex.

On the other point I do believe that prostitution pretty much makes an LTR with the straight guy that every TS appears to be looking for pretty much impossible. I mean you have to get past the fact that she has a dick or had a dick, which is something most straight guys will never be able to do, and then you have to deal with the fact that she's selling it all over town.....What happens if she's knocking off your boss, your business partner, one of the guys at work? You can put up with them laughing behind your back, or worse? I really can't see that. I couldn't do it with a GG either, so it's not against TS's.

[bezane]

But that life has become so "normal" in the TS community and encouraged. Take someone on this board as sweet and nice as Jamie. While I'm sure she meant no harm she stated a couple of times recently that why would a girl that lost her job look for one at $20 an hour when they can get one for $200?

And then she added on another thread they they simply put a single ad on Craigslist and made $2000 the very first day.

Well not to be Mr. Responsibility here but this is crazy talk. I'm sure Jamie has made a cool million at the game as others have. Especially at 2K a day.

But I will say this without mentioning any other names. I know some elite girls. They don't make that type of dough. As a matter of fact I lived with an elite escort that travels the world with A-list clientele and never made it. Okay maybe 2 or 3 times.

And $200 an hour? I'd rather see a girl have an 8 hour a day job making $200 with benefits and security then gambling their future on a business that has so much risk. And I'm often met with the bit about it being that I don't want my girl fucking all these men. Well, to a degree I'd like my girl to myself. Who wouldn't? But thats just a poor excuse because it's not like there's not a wee bit of risk.

Glamorizing the escort life is just plain fantasy. High price call girls that have made hundreds and hundreds of thousands to millions like Jamie are a scant few. Bless them.

And I support the girls that are caught up in the business. My advice is to form an exit strategy early on. Get an education. Legitimate business can make more than an illicit one. And love is something that should inspire, not inhibit.

Giggle... I WISH we made a million dollars! Do you really think I'd still be online if we did? LOL :-) :-)

Honey please don't take my words out of context.

Yes, our first day as escorts we did make over 2 grand. But that's not the norm. I wish it was. Giggle. And remember we are TWO people. And we are well known, and fun to date.

We did make a lot of money our first year or so, and in Vegas especially 2G days were / are not uncommon. That's only 4, $500 dates for TWO escorts. That's nothing in Vegas, where GG's doing doubles will easily pull 2g PER date. But we didn't do that at home by any stretch.

Currently we are putting our exit plan into place. Jessica is in temporary "retirement" and attending school full time so some day she can get a "real" job and support me in my impending old age. Most of our income is from video sales, I date about 25 times a month right now, a far cry from the 25-35 times a week we did when we started. We live a nice middle class lifestyle. But we are far from wealthy. Though after my orchi and boob job next month I think I'm going to start working Vegas again. Giggle.

Heck I'm still waiting for "Corvettedude" to swap me a vette for a "good time." giggle.

But you are right, escorting is a dangerous job with risks to your health and life. And there's nothing glamorous about sitting on the floor all night in the Vegas jail on a prostitution charge while homophobes call you "it."

But I also think that there are few options for many trans girls. In San Diego, where our 1 bedroom apartment is $1450 a month, and 38% of TS's here earn less than $15,000 a year how can a girl possibly survive without escorting if she has little education or job skills, perhaps a drug problem or depression.

Someone has to set them up, check up on them, hold their hands until they can manage on their own. It's a long term need, and the govt sure isn't going to help - they won't even give us job protections under ENDA.

So I'm sorry, I will not apologise to anyone for being a prostitute. I did and do what I have to do to support my partner and live at decent level in this country.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

Jamie....not taking your words out of context. And to be exact, what I attributed to you was accurate and the context you said them in was that the business was booming. When you refer someone to the business based on $$$$, that pretty much says it. You didn't say, I made $2000 dollars the first day and then it dropped off. And you didn't say, why make $20 when you can make $200 per hour except it's hard to line up reliable safe clients and you can't count on that. The words were not out of context.

As far as Vegas goes, well I'm sure you're a fun girl. And again I'm sure you've scored outrageously large sums here. But I live here. I have TS girlfriends here that escort. This is one of the lowest paying towns for any escort. Let's not factor in the exception as the constant. This town is hurting when it comes to TS escorts. So again, not taking your words out of context. And happy that you are one of the very successful ones. but I don't know any that have scored the amounts you did.

And further more, don't take my words out of context because I'm not asking you to apologize for anyone being a prostitute. But if that is someone's source of income it leads to desperation and problems very quickly in lean times. Anyone who thinks otherwise is misinformed or not tuned into the reality and gravity of the human condition.

And I apologize if you take this as an attack on you because that couldn't be further than the truth. Contact me when you're in Vegas and I will personally show you the grim reality of the state of escorting here.

The point is a simple one. Prostitution for the most part is often glamorized here by the working escorts. But the reality is quite different.

As far how a girl can survive without escorting, well here we go again. I gues TS means being a prostitute with no hope for a productive mainstream job where her brain will potentially yield a career. That statement is kind of said to me and sums it up.

[hiwatt1000]

...and some, I take out for a spin.

[bezane]

Are you dropping her off for me Hiwatt? LOL. Very cute.

[Fox]

Wow, some good and insightful posts. Keep it up. 8)





Easier said than done. I'm sure there is a strong contingent of guys here, if the opportunity presented itself, would actively pursue relationships. Unfortunately for those of us not in a larger market, there is often a scarce pool of potentials (See: Non-Existent) I think there's a distinction to be drawn between motivations such as those and a pure fantasizer interested only in sex, where some are left with only fantasies as an option. It does a disservice to everyone involved if potential transsexual girlfriends aren't held to the same standards are genetic girlfriends, choosiness isn't lessened simply because of a cock. So there seem to be quite a few obstacles to pursuing a relationship with a TS, but hopefully not insurmountable. Only my personal point of view - but I think it explains many situation here - so this is a great outlet for at least....some sort of....contact with the TS community, and at the very least I'm thankful for that.


Do you or any of the guys utilize any of the trans related dating sites?

I made a couple profiles across different sites (TG-specific and general), but never expected much to come of it. I did it more to see what might happen instead of using it as a serious medium for meeting anyone.

How were your results?

For me it seems like the fairly decent guys are half a world away. At one
point I could have relocated but now that's a difficult option.

As I'm mildly bi I've widened my search to include natal females and
or drama free trans females.

Not much came of it. I talked to a couple girls over AIM/Yahoo (one in the Philippines, and one in Philly). Probably could've had better results if I updated the profile pic (I looked kinda nerdy in that one) and maybe a few minor things in my profile. Maybe I'll do that now. :wink:

[El Nino]

"The Diarrhea Sausage"

[justatransgirl]

Bezane Savagely Attacks Jamie... Giggle.

When you call me a liar pilgrim, you'd better be ready to fill your hand... mines 5" but I'm shooting blanks. So whip it out and let's see whatcha got... :-)

As for Vegas, honey you must be spending too much time at the LVL or cruising the Box if the girls you know don't make any money. :-)

As for the grim reality of hooking in Vegas, honey I'm well aware of it. But yes I would love to take you up on your offer to see things from your perspective.

I think if you read everything I write you might find that I am an advocate for girls not having to prostitute themselves in order to enjoy the same quality of life as anyone else. My feeling is trans women should have access and assistance to get the training for a good job at median wage (which in San Diego is $64,000 a year). But many trans sex workers are not able to stay the course to get such jobs.

They need hand holding programs, to get them housing, a living wage while in training, placement assistance, and continual follow up support. Other girls have mental issues which preclude their ever keeping a "real" job. And yes that's sad. Maybe if the country wasn't going broke in Iraq there would be funding for programs.

Let me ask you this. How many prostitution stories have run on LV TV this past year? At least three I know of and honey I was in one. Go ask the TV stations how much of their advertising income they devoted to helping the girls they exploited in their prostitution stings and exposes? Go ask Metro Vice what they've done to help the girls they arrest besides call them nasty homophobic names and threaten them.

And since we are taking everything I say verbatium... I didn't say we made 2g EVERY single day. I said it wasn't unusual in Vegas, and that we are two girls together. Did you want my W-2 form?

As for how a girl can survive without escorting. Let me give you a recent example. My partner Jessica applied for a computer job with a goverment agency some months ago and was recently called to interview. She put down she was "female" on the application. She has a 3.92 GPA and is a computer science senior. She was turned down at the interview because it came out she was trans... and was given the bums rush. And thanks to the Barney Franks, there is and will be no ENDA protections for gender identity, so we can't even sue them.

That's the reality. And yes it is sad.

Sigh,
TS Jamie :-)

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

No i dont want relationship, i want to pay to suck her cock and be fucked by her. So i am her bitch.

I want to take her cock deep inside me and give her money for her to cum...all that matters is that i give her money and she gets to cum on me.

[Urian]

I had a T-girlfriend in a period of 4 years.

My experience says that if you have a girlfriend who is transsexual the worst thing that you do is this:

If you consider your girl different than others girls or special for her nature then your relationship with her is fucked.

In other words, you can´t say to the others that your girl is a transsexual, this secret if for you and your partner and for a lot of tgirls with a boyfriend her man is nothing more than a method to achieve her complete feminity in the social space and win some security.

[bezane]

Wow Jamie. I'm surprised. I could care less if you're a prostitute. Based on what I deem to be a great attitude and a high IQ I think you can do better but that's just my point of view.

When you say that I'm talking the LV Lounge, well you must assume you're dealing with a troll here. I'm sure you do well. Just a guess but I'm sure my ex in NYC and my on again off again here and abroad do better. One is protective of their self publicly, the other is an out and out Superstar. I'm not bragging. I wish they were both receptionists or stay at home Moms. But because of them there's many girls I know in the business. And I simply was making the point that girls should look for alternatives before they start or if they're already in the business, to plan to get out.

I only brought you into this because you made statements on here to new girls that you were extremely well paid and the innuendo was that they should do it too. This is a porn board. I know that. But many girls and GUYS have made it into an escort board secondly. But there's always issues that come up for debate. This is one. And while you don't want your words taken verbatim and applied literally, I don't know what to make of it then. But it seems as though you don't want to take ownership of the message you sent. Another girl I slightly misquoted did.

And as far as Vegas goes you can be the authority on it if you like. You live close enough. I only live here, sometimes with an escort when she's back in town, and wired into the scene, but it's silly to have a pissing contest over it.

My advice to the girls is don't escort Vegas unless you are already lined up to meet regulars here.

And as far as using the heart strings to call attention to the transsexual plight, I'll have to take a pass on agreeing with you there as well. Here's why:

The Iraq War now has taken money that might otherwise get social programs going? For Transsexuals? Affirmative Action for Transsexuanls? I don't see it happening. Even under an Islamic Government. I don't see other programs getting funded either. And as far as Jessica applying for a job and not getting it. She put female down. She is legally not. Corporate America has changed but not recently. I had a ten year background check and hair drug test for my current job. Any inaccuracies and I would lose my job or not get it. And the fact that a transsexual is going to go into the mainstream and think it will always be fair is just plain foolhardy. Go for a second job. Tell them on a cover letter that you're a transsexual. tell them what they can expect. "I'm a man in wig." Or "I'm a sophisticated transitioning woman that will be an asset to your company." When you get the interview the cards are on the table.

Gays have suddenly popped into the mainstream, yes even the flamboyant ones and in fact are even most desired due their education, tenacity and competence.

So my first point about hooking has to do with the transsexual community getting busy and conquering these issues. Or they can wait for Democrats or whoever the next full of promises Republican politician that wants their vote gets in office to get that Affirmative Tranny Action going. Or when hell freezes over.

[jjhill]

first of all I would love to see more posts about topics like this.
Second, I have tried tgpersonals-there used to be a great site to meet, but of course escorts invaded it and now it sucks. Honestly Myspace seems to be the best spot. Just post your real pics and IF you're so scared of people finding out you probably shouldn't be doing it anyway or you can hide your friends from your profile(a bit cowardly).But I have met a few girls on there (as friends) and they are cool as hell too. I've dated a few women that were transsexuals...1 good experience...2 bad ( told me they had real jobs and ended up seeing them on a porn site)

Can I get a mo mo mo (your avatar)

[Alaska Guy]

The few I'm aware of; TS Girlfriend, URNotAlone, some lesser sites such as Adult Friend Finder. By and large they turned out to be dead ends. Suggestions are more than welcome.

A well implemented site is www.transgenderdate.com. and the good thing about that site is it's not all whacked out for porn ads and whatnot. No nudity, so u can actually focus on common interests not just the size or whatever of her cock. It has great options, is a new site. Check it out if you are interested.

[Alaska Guy]

The few I'm aware of; TS Girlfriend, URNotAlone, some lesser sites such as Adult Friend Finder. By and large they turned out to be dead ends. Suggestions are more than welcome.

TS Girlfriend's not too bad.

TG Matchmaker - booty calls

AFF - definetely booty calls

LVTG - booty call

TSMatch -they're not too bad

Match.com, True.com are always cyber pimping,
filling my email with bs

One to avoid like the plague is URnotalone. That site is HORRIBLE! The girls there are snooty, judgemental, narcisistic, bitchy, bitter, rude, and u get banned for no reason at all. Oh yea, and they have rules coming out the ass as to what you can or can't say. Actually, I changed my mind, check it out for a good laugh.

[jjhill]

I have dated a TS and knew what she did for a living because I met her by going to her escort site and setting up a date. She and I "clicked" and I even now know that we have some connection.

Now why am I not still with her? MY FAULT, unsure of myself, not that she was escorting or she was a TS. Just had crappy luck with relationships and I blew it! I would LOVE to have her back!!! I would marry this woman immediately if given the chance.

WHY? She was "working" for the reasons probably covered extensively here, but I loved her passion for her causes. Today I have the means to support her and help her meet those goals, (Law School as one!)... In my opinion she was a different TS from what some of you guys have dated or met. Mature, intelligent, and passionate about life outside the porn/escort side of TS life.

Sorry for rambling... But I cannot get this woman out of my mind and I do hope she reads this... :fc


Good luck fellow Chicagoan got them crossed with you :fc

[Cubpocalypse]

Been there, done that and I got out of it was this lousy t-shirt.

[Cubpocalypse]

...double post

[Bluejay]

Been with my Girlfriend for 9 years now,still very much in Love!

[Legallylarge]

Been in a couple of relationships with two different gals. One ended cuz the girl was just messed up and despite my best efforts, I got fed up with her flakiness, being stood up frequently when we made concrete plans...

The other was just a matter of timing. When I was ready to settle down, she wasn't and this yo-yoed for a while until we eventually split. WHen she was ready, someone else snapped her up and married her and she's still happily married.

I'll regret missing that boat for the rest of my life and would marry her in a heartbeat if the opportunity ever presented itself again.

[mishadark]

& from the inside looking out...

Most of us want a LTR with a man
...but where to look.
Well, sites like this are pretty much non-starters as most men are in relationships / married & engaging in a fantasy thing.

Also, no disrespect, but we feel most men here are into us coz we have a cock rather than us as people.
throw in the likelihood of SRS...
...where do we stand after the penis is gone.

Then out in real life, its no easier.
You meet a man a few times
then tell him "that thing"
& he runs
or worse.
At least thats what I fear so I never tell him
& don't get that relationship started.

Most of us date men who are on scene
ie go to trans clubs.
Its really far from ideal
(as it does highlight that which we would rather not shout about)
but what else to do.

A year ago I met a man as a client.
Later I broke all my professional rules & occasionally date him.
But he is separated
& also has a 2 yr relationship with another person which he has no intention of finishing.
{I knew this from his first & only appointment}

I would love him to be my long term partner but it just isn't gonna happen.

A lot of us end up in relationships with other Ts's
which is everyone I've had in the last 6 years
Meeting initially at:
* support groups
* or through mutual friends
* Social sites where Ts's are welcome
* and so on.

And as much as I love my exes
& am really close to them now
these relationships were compromises
{we all have the same issues, dating the same, multiplies them}
which is a bugger as I'm mainly attracted to other Ts's...
it's just that for me, these relationships never last

Plus nothing feels as good as walking down the street
with the arms of a strong boyfriend, round you.

So there you have it, from the other side,
so to speak.

[mishadark]

I had a T-girlfriend in a period of 4 years.

My experience says that if you have a girlfriend who is transsexual the worst thing that you do is this:

If you consider your girl different than others girls or special for her nature then your relationship with her is fucked.

In other words, you can´t say to the others that your girl is a transsexual, this secret if for you and your partner and for a lot of tgirls with a boyfriend her man is nothing more than a method to achieve her complete feminity in the social space and win some security.

Totally spot on.

[dderek123]

I have been living with my transsexual girlfriend in Bangkok for almost 7 months now. We met online and chatted, then I came to visit her during holidays last year. We hit it off and we realized we had strong feelings for eachother. And poof here I am. It has been a little rocky here and there. But a relationship is something you got to work on together. Nothing worthwhile ever came easily. Besides the obvious differences we there are also cultural and language barriers between us.

Before, I was an admirer for a long time in my private life. It was my deep dark secret and something I always desired. I lived in a small town in Canada and there weren't any single and charming transsexuals who were available. That was what the root of my depression was and I had to get the hell out of that small town. I moved to Thailand in an effort to live openly about what I desired. Now I can look myself in the mirror with clear thoughts.

My friends and family from back home don't actually know the reason I am here. I am working on how I can tell them. I should just get it over with but I got to gather the courage to do it.

One thing I have learned though since I have came here is that who you sleep with or what you like to do in bed really doesn't matter that much. As long as you are a moral person who treats other well people will accept you for who you are and not who you sleep with. You should pursue your own happiness and not let anyone keep you from doing that.

I should thank HungAngels though. I have read this forum for a few years now and have learned quite a bit. I gathered the motivation to move over to Thailand from the members here who have shared their experiences on the forums here. I realized that I can make my secret desires a reality. HA can seem chaotic, catty, and hilarious at times but there is a sense of community. Even though I only post stuff once in a blue moon I still enjoy reading what others got to say.

PS I really like chatting with other people on userplane but I always go in there when no ones around haha.

[Bluejay]

I think alot of the challenge for men is family and peer judgement.This weighs them down from seeing a transsexual on an occassional basis to having a full blown relationship.

The concern about what others may think about them seems to be more important than entering into a relaionship that would make them happy and content.

Being in a relationship with a transsexual in my opinion is no differant then being in a relationship with a genetic girl and I do not see or treat my partner any differantly than what she is,a girl.

I would add that when I first met her she did not look the way she does today and our connection is much deeper than the way she looks.

[T-girl hound]

Yes in all seriousness I date TG right now, we havent moved completely on together. But it's the best relationship I've ever had and that's excluding the sexual aspect

[DL_NL]

Ah, so this is where the intelligent people on this board reside? Very insightful stuff in this thread, thanks for helping me understand a few things and reinforcing notions I had already.

Still single, still looking for an intelligent, nice and sane girl, whatever chromosomes.

[phobun]

Whenever I'm single I never can find a guy online cause they are loco or in love with the stigma of who they think I am.
Don't psychoanalyze them too much... they are not that deep.
Most are in love with cock, that is all.

[phobun]

I have been living with my transsexual girlfriend in Bangkok for almost 7 months now. We met online and chatted, then I came to visit her during holidays last year. We hit it off and we realized we had strong feelings for eachother. And poof here I am. .
Poof, exactly.
My guess is she has strong feelings for your wallet. Things may continue to go well as long as the money is there.

[phobun]

Still single, still looking for an intelligent, nice and sane girl, whatever chromosomes.
But not whatever genitalia, right?

[DL_NL]

Whatever. Intelligence, sanity and a sense of humour are more important than appendages.

[phobun]

Most of us want a LTR with a man
I've been told that he's not a man if he has a wig on.

[phobun]

Whatever. Intelligence, sanity and a sense of humour are more important than appendages.
Which is why some guys like to fuck Mr. Potato Man.
If you put a wig on, it's Ms. Potato Woman.
You can probably snap the cock on and off, too.

[russtafa]

i have tgirl relationships for the last 12 years

[brickcitybrother]

Few of the males here have the wherewithal to have an actual relationship. But people are people at the end of the day.

[Justawannabe]

I've had two relationships, several years in length.

Harder than a standard relationship with a genetic girl due to extra issues with family and friends, her needing more support for the self esteem, and taking on the additional medical bills. Not enough harder that I say it's worth being considered a separate category, but worth noting before you go in that you are accepting all those things. If you can't, do go in, you'll only hurt her.

Meeting the ladies is tough, and coming across as anything but a 'chaser' is harder. Guards are very high on these girls and you have to prove your not something. Fans of formal logic will remember the issues with that.

[thefrakkincaptain]

I guess I should consider myself very lucky. I've been with the same t-girl for almost 5 years now. I truly couldn't imagine waking up to anyone else in the morning. She's also got a wonderful, supportive family who have always treated me as one of their own.

We never fight. She likes to drink beer, watch football and play poker. She LOVES Star Wars. Hell, what more could a guy ask for?

[phobun]

I guess I should consider myself very lucky. I've been with the same t-girl for almost 5 years now. I truly couldn't imagine waking up to anyone else in the morning. She's also got a wonderful, supportive family who have always treated me as one of their own.

We never fight. She likes to drink beer, watch football and play poker. She LOVES Star Wars. Hell, what more could a guy ask for?
I don't understand guys who want to settle down with a drinking buddy in a skirt. I want a woman with a female brain, disposition and outlook.

[thefrakkincaptain]

I don't understand guys who want to settle down with a drinking buddy in a skirt. I want a woman with a female brain, disposition and outlook.

You can have them. I want someone with whom I can be friends first and foremost. I don't want someone who constantly wants to know about my feelings or "talk about the relationship" or watches Lifetime Movie Network and cries. I want someone that I actually LIKE to be around.

[phobun]

I don't understand guys who want to settle down with a drinking buddy in a skirt. I want a woman with a female brain, disposition and outlook.

You can have them. I want someone with whom I can be friends first and foremost. I don't want someone who constantly wants to know about my feelings or "talk about the relationship" or watches Lifetime Movie Network and cries. I want someone that I actually LIKE to be around.

Try the locker room. You might find a buddy and a cock in one package.

[thefrakkincaptain]

Try the locker room. You might find a buddy and a cock in one package.

How about you mind your own business about what I'm looking for in a woman and then kindly go and fuck yourself?

[Nowhere]

Try the locker room. You might find a buddy and a cock in one package.

How about you mind your own business about what I'm looking for in a woman and then kindly go and fuck yourself?

I do have to defend the captain here. Based on the photo or two you posted of your girl way back when, she's DEFINITELY very feminine. And, just because a girl isn't into Oprah and Astrology doesn't really make her less of a girl. I've come across plenty of GG's who are the same.

[thefrakkincaptain]

Thanks for the kind words and the support. I can't believe you remembered the pics I posted; especially considering how seldom I post on here. I'm truly impressed!

[fred41]

After walking out on a really long term marriage (for reasons other than hobbying) I was lucky enough to date a few beautiful girls (TS of course) who were interested in me eventhough I'm relatively old (late forties) and make a fairly pedestrian salary. My current girlfriend is an absolute doll who I adore and enjoy sharing all the simple things in life with.She's gorgeous and a real pleasure to be with..

Dating someone in the escorting business isn't always easy and probably not for everyone. I still make mistakes by saying stupid shit before thinking...and create some occasional rough patches in this budding relationship...but I really want this to work out.

If you want a relationship with an escort...you have to learn to put your jealousies aside (not always easy), with the realization that - with some of the clientelle these girls may have: some wealthy,maybe some famous, some younger or better looking - ....she still chooses to be with you..(and in my case...mental baggage and all)...and that says a lot.

In ALL relationships (GG or TS)..you get what you put into it.

Two things tho':

1- Make sure that it's a real relationship you want - not someone you can con into being your free sex toy...while you continue to fuck around with other girls so you can feed your own ego about what kinda playa you are.

2- If you're coming out of a long time , broken relationship- wait awhile to heal before you jump into the dating pool.

[RubyTS]

some people might find this funny but here is an ad i recently posted on craigslist

My name is Ruby. Im PR and Italian, 5'10 170 lbs with hazel green eyes and medium length brown hair (NO Weave) I model and have done some film work. Im here because im really sick of the typical guys im used to dealing with and i'm looking for a change of pace. I really dont expect to find what im looking for here, but u never know.

I live alone in Yonkers, i make my own schedule. Im self sufficient, versatile and a lil dominant but very sensual and passionate as well. I enjoy travelling, dining out, bar hopping, playing video games, ammusement parks and meeting new people.

Im college educated, intelligent, well spoken and an all around total package tgirl.

Im in search of a single man who is well hung, toned and fit as well as handsome. Someone GENEROUS who isn't into playing head games or random hookupz. Someone who is looking for that one person he can truly devoote himself to. A man who will spoil me with nice gifts, and can be here for me at the drop of a dime if i just want to cuddle and watch a movie, or dine out in the city.

IM NOT LOOKIONG FOR A ONE TIME MEETING. I'm looking for someone to potentially build a relationship with. A friend who can devote time money sweat and tears into a possible LTR.

Someone who will show me how a woman like me deserves to be treated. Someone who will appreciate my beauty and all of my special attributes that make me the amazing person that i am!

Please DO NOT respond if you
* dont have a car
* are not financially stable
* are married or currently involved in another relationship
* are concerned with what society would label you if u choose to date a transexual
* are looking just for sex
* have a small wee wee lol
* are FAT

Thanx for taking the time to read this and i hope to hear from u soon!
Please respond with photos

[T-girl hound]

some people might find this funny but here is an ad i recently posted on craigslist

My name is Ruby. Im PR and Italian, 5'10 170 lbs with hazel green eyes and medium length brown hair (NO Weave) I model and have done some film work. Im here because im really sick of the typical guys im used to dealing with and i'm looking for a change of pace. I really dont expect to find what im looking for here, but u never know.

I live alone in Yonkers, i make my own schedule. Im self sufficient, versatile and a lil dominant but very sensual and passionate as well. I enjoy travelling, dining out, bar hopping, playing video games, ammusement parks and meeting new people.

Im college educated, intelligent, well spoken and an all around total package tgirl.

Im in search of a single man who is well hung, toned and fit as well as handsome. Someone GENEROUS who isn't into playing head games or random hookupz. Someone who is looking for that one person he can truly devoote himself to. A man who will spoil me with nice gifts, and can be here for me at the drop of a dime if i just want to cuddle and watch a movie, or dine out in the city.

IM NOT LOOKIONG FOR A ONE TIME MEETING. I'm looking for someone to potentially build a relationship with. A friend who can devote time money sweat and tears into a possible LTR.

Someone who will show me how a woman like me deserves to be treated. Someone who will appreciate my beauty and all of my special attributes that make me the amazing person that i am!

Please DO NOT respond if you
* dont have a car
* are not financially stable
* are married or currently involved in another relationship
* are concerned with what society would label you if u choose to date a transexual
* are looking just for sex
* have a small wee wee lol
* are FAT

Thanx for taking the time to read this and i hope to hear from u soon!
Please respond with photos


C'mon nobodies perfect. It looks like you're shooting for a pro athlete.

[RubyTS]

that would be sweeeeeet!

[T-girl hound]

that would be sweeeeeet!

For our community it would be as long as he ain't ashamed or closeted

[RubyTS]

that would be sweeeeeet!

For our community it would be as long as he ain't ashamed or closeted

Well then daddy pass over that blk american express card and i really wont mind too much

[T-girl hound]

that would be sweeeeeet!

For our community it would be as long as he ain't ashamed or closeted

Well then daddy pass over that blk american express card and i really wont mind too much

He aint goin play to well if you get ahold of em before gameday

[DL_NL]

Whatever. Intelligence, sanity and a sense of humour are more important than appendages.
Which is why some guys like to fuck Mr. Potato Man.
If you put a wig on, it's Ms. Potato Woman.
You can probably snap the cock on and off, too.
Thanks for your intelligent and non-judgmental assessment of my personality. It's amazing that you can tell someone's personality from a couple of words on an internet board, and generalizing makes you look smart too. Don't project your view on life on others.


Well then daddy pass over that blk american express card and i really wont mind too much
That'll guarantee you a great LTR.

[RubyTS]

hey u never know, there are guys out there who actually enjoy spoiling their women

[DL_NL]

\I like to treat my GF well, tell her I love her frequently and give her something now and then. The idea of being a walking credit card does not appeal to me.

[T-girl hound]

hey u never know, there are guys out there who actually enjoy spoiling their women

I spoil my girl, but it's only a Visa. Black card out of the range of stay home writers

[RubyTS]

ok well maybe im just exagerrating a lil bit lol. i really dont expect to find a rich hubby, the fantasy is nice tho. Every girl likes to be spoiled. I mean imagine how much of a turnoff this scenario can be. A guy takes me to Dominican Republic, brags about the spa treatments and mud baths, we get to the spa... and IM expected to pay. I mean it was nice for him to pay my flight and he covered the accomodations, but when it came time for the extras, like the flying boat or swimming with the dolphins i was expected to pay my 1/2

[dj4monie]

ok well maybe im just exagerrating a lil bit lol. i really dont expect to find a rich hubby, the fantasy is nice tho. Every girl likes to be spoiled. I mean imagine how much of a turnoff this scenario can be. A guy takes me to Dominican Republic, brags about the spa treatments and mud baths, we get to the spa... and IM expected to pay. I mean it was nice for him to pay my flight and he covered the accomodations, but when it came time for the extras, like the flying boat or swimming with the dolphins i was expected to pay my 1/2

Sounds like your slightly bitter....

I think you need a Rich hubby or somebody that's willing to go into deep debt for you, never the two shall meet.

I'll put my money on the dude that's willing to go deep into credit card debt just to keep you entertained and allows you to shop at Bebe, tisk tisk.

[T-girl hound]

ok well maybe im just exagerrating a lil bit lol. i really dont expect to find a rich hubby, the fantasy is nice tho. Every girl likes to be spoiled. I mean imagine how much of a turnoff this scenario can be. A guy takes me to Dominican Republic, brags about the spa treatments and mud baths, we get to the spa... and IM expected to pay. I mean it was nice for him to pay my flight and he covered the accomodations, but when it came time for the extras, like the flying boat or swimming with the dolphins i was expected to pay my 1/2


I'm guessing he left with dry cock huh

[RubyTS]

no he aint deserve sex i didnt give him any the whole vacation

[T-girl hound]

no he aint deserve sex i didnt give him any the whole vacation


I would've just had to come out of pocket, a sexless vacation is a no-no

[Teydyn]

imagine how much of a turnoff this scenario can be
Are you sure you are looking for a LTR? And not a no-limit-credit-card attached do a 10inch dildo?

Imagine how much off a turn off it is for a guy when he is expected to pay and pay and pay and pay and pay and ...

[RubyTS]

i believe a relationship is 50/50 but u dont take a girl out, invite her to show her things she has never seen or experienced before and exppect her to come out of pocket. This was right after my facial surgery so i was broke and he knew it. I was even considerring NOT going because i knew i had to pick back up my cashflow and also i was going thru a tranitionary period where i really deserved to be pampered. Also he pressure me for sex a lot and we were at a point in our relationship where things were spiraling downhill. What a way to rekindle the flame, by saying hey i wanna take u to a foreign country, ur gonnaput out every night oh and btw if u want a mud mask bitch ur gonna have to suck some dick for it

[justatransgirl]

Are you sure you are looking for a LTR? And not a no-limit-credit-card attached do a 10inch dildo?

Works for me... LOL

Can I have a car too?



Imagine how much off a turn off it is for a guy when he is expected to pay and pay and pay and pay and pay and ...

Sweetie - you just don't understand. :-) Men have to pay for their fun. That's just the way it is. And remember - you get what you pay for.

Giggles,
TS Jamie :-)

[justatransgirl]

What a way to rekindle the flame, by saying hey i wanna take u to a foreign country, ur gonnaput out every night oh and btw if u want a mud mask bitch ur gonna have to suck some dick for it

LOL - Lesson learned, ALWAYS get the arrangement made in advance and get your $$ and return ticket up front. LOL

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[mikejones]

I guess I should consider myself very lucky. I've been with the same t-girl for almost 5 years now. I truly couldn't imagine waking up to anyone else in the morning. She's also got a wonderful, supportive family who have always treated me as one of their own.

We never fight. She likes to drink beer, watch football and play poker. She LOVES Star Wars. Hell, what more could a guy ask for?
I don't understand guys who want to settle down with a drinking buddy in a skirt. I want a woman with a female brain, disposition and outlook.

Look if they have been together for 5 years and are happy, then why criticize? It's working for them and that is not an easy thing to find.

Sail on Captain...

[mikejones]

I was with a Tgirl for 3 years and very much enjoyed it. She returned to Guatemala last year to undergo treatment of a chronic pancreatic condition. I hope she is able to return soon and we can get back together. I really miss her.

[RubyTS]

i wish i could have a relationship last that long. It always end up becoming a power struggle! They always end up pressuring me for sex and dont understand that if im not in the mood, IM NOT IN THE MOOD! Sometime's i'll do it when i really dont feel like it, but then it begins to feel like im being used and i start going into the whole ITS YOUR BODY empowered role and i get REALLY bitchy. Then we usuallly start fighting a lot. I start to dread being intimate and avoid it at all costs. After i while they continue pressuring me and i get so turned off to all the things about them that i once found to be cute and tell myself that all they care about is sex and thats not the kind of relationship i want to be in.

[mikejones]

i wish i could have a relationship last that long. It always end up becoming a power struggle! They always end up pressuring me for sex and dont understand that if im not in the mood, IM NOT IN THE MOOD! Sometime's i'll do it when i really dont feel like it, but then it begins to feel like im being used and i start going into the whole ITS YOUR BODY empowered role and i get REALLY bitchy. Then we usuallly start fighting a lot. I start to dread being intimate and avoid it at all costs. After i while they continue pressuring me and i get so turned off to all the things about them that i once found to be cute and tell myself that all they care about is sex and thats not the kind of relationship i want to be in.

Thanks for sharing Ruby. It's good to hear the girls' perspective on this. Relationships are tough, and not always smooth. Looking back now though I only remember the good things, and I miss my Tgirl.

[rick331us]

I dated a t-girl for sometime and she was the one true love of my life, did not matter that she was a t-girl, best relationship I ever had and want her back everyday........t-girls...GGs they are all people you can make whatever you want work.

[Teydyn]

After i while they continue pressuring me and i get so turned off to all the things about them that i once found to be cute and tell myself that all they care about is sex and thats not the kind of relationship i want to be in.
Then stop dating "cute" assholes.

Cute may be good for a one-nighter, but for a relationship its only a small bonus. A good and fitting personality is so much more important.

[RubyTS]

After i while they continue pressuring me and i get so turned off to all the things about them that i once found to be cute and tell myself that all they care about is sex and thats not the kind of relationship i want to be in.
Then stop dating "cute" assholes.

Cute may be good for a one-nighter, but for a relationship its only a small bonus. A good and fitting personality is so much more important.

yeah i dated an older gentleman who turned out to be just as big of a cock whore as the rest

[Morgan]

I actually met my bf on a Yahoo group for tgirls(forgot exactly which one it was) back in 2003, I was not full time or taking any hormones and did not even meet him as a girl I was just to scared back then but he really did not care he still treated me as a girl he also took me to my first goth club and gladly intorduced me to all his friends, but he was/is very much into the fetish world and at the time that frieghtend me so I broke up with him. We still kept in touch and after a few years we met up again at a convention and that is when we actually fell in love.

He often wonders why i'm with him, granted he's not the best looking person but he's so loveable and nice and I support him in everything he does and give my honest opinion about everything. He does treat me more than I treat him well, until recently due to the economy but he makes more money than I do since he runs a few of the big fetish events in NYC and rents sheet music to orchestras and I only work at Starbucks but I am a very low maintenance person and am always worried about the money we spend.

As for the prostitution thing, I used to escort and there has been many times when I made $200 in one week and thought "Damn I could be making that in one hour." but after the horrible experience of being arrested in a hick town(going in my comic *angry face*) I really really do not want to go back to it, true it was easy to make that money I useually had to only shove my cock in their mouth but gah! Holding that money was great and after the first few times I did not care how ugly and fat a client would be as long as they had the money. Since then i've taught myself to wait instead of wanting it now now NOW! All good things come to those who wait eh? Now i'm trying to decide where I should finish my degree. What did my bf think of what I was doing? He had escorted himself at one point and understood the motivation for me but was constantly worried about my safely as a good boyfriend should be.

Another story, me and a few of my friends from the support group decided to go to the gay club and an older divorced guy came up to me nervous, but saying how hot I was. I was seriously talking to him untill he told me how much hotter I was than my friends and I took offense to that so yeah I got him to buy me a full cup of a butterynipple for $8 I drank it down really fast, went to dance then left without one word leaving him there waiting for me to come back.

[evalala]

Being in a relationship means maintaining a level of positivity in order for the relationship to remain functional. As adults we learn to abandon teenage habits of collecting things which only serve a temporary purpose with no lasting positive effect in one's life. As a couple, we must move to the next stages of our lives together in the most harmonious and progressive way as possible. If any time one individual compromises more than the other, resentment will brew within the one who feels pressured and usually the one who is obviously not compromising enough.

Having a monogamous, long term intimate partner means exclusivity if such premise is mutually agreed upon as being the parameter of the relationship. If so, then the pursuit of personal fantasies, fetishes and taboos must be abandoned, in order to make room for mutual and more satisfying exploration between the pair! The practice of self discipline and sense of responsibility over rides selfish indulgences once practiced as a teenager, ex: every time Mom and Dad left the house the horny devil tears off the proper child costume, who couldn't wait for this moment to masturbate 10 times with every flip of the pages in his private stash of nudie magz. What happens with the pair are committed in matrimony and one or both parties continues their eager bad habits of porno diving once the other one is not around? Temporary thrills no longer have the same appeal and will never bring you to the same intensity of satisfaction as it once did at age 12, so get rid of it!

What kind of a monogamous, long term intimate partnership is that? Why not remain single if its that much work and almost sexually frustrating when you can't wait to jump right into all the possible pornographic sources, just as soon as your partner is away. Where does that mentality come from?! Well they stem from your teenage years, unfortunately many people do not out grow.

More often than not the shame and embarrassment which follows, is quickly covered up and justified with extra, and more frequent I love yous, overly smothering compliments and much firmer embraces, which otherwise do not exist normally when present in each other's company. Rather, eyes are glued and distracted to shinny moving objects from both television, and computer screens!

You are lying to yourself, there is no healthy picture of a relationship there because you are incapable of such, being that you may not have had a true long term relationship before. When someone is so caring and so different, show sets a new bar of standard, who sets the finest example of how to be a partner, wouldn't clue in as soon as possible to preserve what is most precious in your life? Obviously potentially mutual and engagingly loving relationships don't exactly come around every day when you sit lazily on the couch waiting for it to happen. You must make it happen. Make choices to improving one's self is hard work and dedication, you do not learn this over night being alone. It is a divine opportunity when life gifts you someone so caring and so utterly giving of themselves they would sacrifice literally everything for you. However, if you do not see yourself doing the same, please don't keep them like you keep a huge collection of most other things which simply take up more and more room, which continue to pile on more and more stress in your life. This opportunity of a relationship is a great learning tool to better yourself. You must deserve to have a great relationship, it doesn't just happen because you are really good at convincing them you really love them, or that they are the world to you. Be proactive and have something to show for it rather than words alone.

Begin by throwing things out and making room for meaningful, and things which constantly bond one another, which serves purpose in the relationship for a life time!

[alyssats]

Its my dream to have a bf also even a husband
But it seems so hard

Where could i find all the serious guys out there?

[phobun]

Its my dream to have a bf also even a husband
But it seems so hard

Where could i find all the serious guys out there?
It is going to be hard enough for you because you're a transsexual, and a lot of guys ultimately want a wife to bear a child. A post-op living stealth, or near-stealth, would have an easier time, but there is still the kid issue.

Even if kids are not an issue with the guy, they might be for his family, and on top of that, most guys would not want to bring a prostitute home and introduce her to mom.

But most important of all, no guy with any self-respect is going to marry a prostitute. That is why the whole Pretty Woman fairytale is sheer fantasy.

If you're a transsexual prostitute whining about a lack of serious guys interested in marriage, then you need to get serious.

[DL_NL]

Its my dream to have a bf also even a husband
But it seems so hard

Where could i find all the serious guys out there?
Looks to me like you're not going to find mr Right here, unless you don't mind a 'chaser' which would make his motives somewhat questionable at least. I guess meeting someone 'by accident' who isn't turned off by your status would be the way to go.
It's equally hard for me to find ms Right... TG or GG.

That said, if I met you somewhere I'd try to get noticed.

[mishadark]

Its my dream to have a bf also even a husband
But it seems so hard

Where could i find all the serious guys out there?
It is going to be hard enough for you because you're a transsexual, and a lot of guys ultimately want a wife to bear a child. A post-op living stealth, or near-stealth, would have an easier time, but there is still the kid issue.

Even if kids are not an issue with the guy, they might be for his family, and on top of that, most guys would not want to bring a prostitute home and introduce her to mom.

But most important of all, no guy with any self-respect is going to marry a prostitute. That is why the whole Pretty Woman fairytale is sheer fantasy.

If you're a transsexual prostitute whining about a lack of serious guys interested in marriage, then you need to get serious.

Well thats my take as well...
Yet I'm a transsexual adult performer & escort as well.
And since these career directions, I've had two serious relationships
& currently have three seriously interested suitors.
All of these people know everything about me, yet they have had / want a full relationship with me.
Go figure?

I guess its down to the individuals concerned, both them & me.

[Tatt1]

I must agree that is is is extremely hard to find a bf or even have a relationship. I would say relationships are tough but being ts in a relationship makes things even more complicated. I would love to have a bf though, but it takes ALOT MORE work than your normal guy/girl couple.

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

This is hillarious.

One one side youve got 50 odd year old out of shape old transbian escorts saying 'men have to pay pay pay pay for everything', yet they have and never will get a decent man in their life.

On the other hand youve got escorts on here saying they want a boyfriend and cant understand why?

Lets put this extremely simple, as simple as it gets.

You are WOMEN therefore do what any regular genetic girl would do.

Most genetic women are not prostitutes/sex workers so that ruins it for you out of the minority of guys that will accept ts women down to maybe 10% of the original figure.

So you are left with a pool of 10% of the original figure who like ts women.

Now of that original figure, how many of the educated, good looking and hung men are going to want to bother paying for an escort? Some of them will instantly be turned off by the fact that you are a sex worker anyway because they dont want to have sex with a whore. So that takes the best guys out of the equation.

If lets say you managed to get a degree and hold down a good regular job, just the same as any regular girl who is successful, without all this sex work bullsh1t, then you might find that you have access to 100% of the men that are sexually attracted to ts women.

That will be quite a lot of men.

Out of that figure, there is bound to be a guy who you really fancy and who fancies you back. Someone with a decent job, good looks, a big dick and nice personality. Someone who will be faithful to you as well.

So then what would happen is what happens in any normal straight relationship. The guy will pay for the first few dates, then if it gets serious, both people either take turns to pay or pay for themselves or share the bill 50/50.

The whole point of a relationship is 'love', its not about a monetary policy, or a banking scheme, it is about loving each other. Who cares who pays?

Bottom of the story is this, if you are constantly worried about money and not focussing on meeting a nice guy you fancy and who treats you well and with respect, then you will never ever have a proper relationship.

Money might be important in life, but do you really think that a sexy guy (who can get practically any girl he wants, for free) is going to pay for everything so that his transexual prostitute girlfriend can be showered with gifts whilst he stays faithful to her and deals with her fucking 2-3 clients every single day?

Come on now, get real. Live in the real world.

Regular women can manage it, so you should manage it. You have less choice of men to choose from than regular women, yet you throw it all down the toilet with prostitution and expecting men to pay for everything.

Totally pathetic. No decent guy in their right mind would want to date someone who expects everything to be paid for. Not because he doesnt fancy you, but because he will think you are greedy and selfish. Greedy and selfish people do not end up in good relationships.

As for the comments on 'men have to pay', please, live in the real world will you.

MOST OF THE TS ON HERE (THE YOUNG SEXY ONES) FANCY MEN, THEY ARE NOT TRANSBIANS, THEY DO NOT FANCY WOMEN.

Therefore they want a decent man. Yet some idiots on here are telling them to 'charge' the men money for taking them on a date?

Pathetic.

[RubyTS]

I have to kinda agree. When i was in college i had a pool of str8 guys to choose from. Being an escort and especially dealing with men online is not the way to find a bf, cuz most the guys r just looking for sex and those who say otherwise are trying to run game. If you work a legit job, or are in school or do something regularly, you're likely to meet a cool guy in your school or at work, on the train, who WILL over time, begin to like u and appreciate u AS LONG AS youre not giving it up the first night and hoping hes gonna call, or acting out of character. Being modest but confident is the best way to draw a man to u. Although there ARE guys out there who dont mind being in a relationship with an escort, im pretty sure thats not the kind of relationship any of us want to be in

[justatransgirl]

One one side youve got 50 odd year old out of shape old transbian escorts saying 'men have to pay pay pay pay for everything', yet they have and never will get a decent man in their life.

Dude - if that was directed at me you can - - FUCK OFF!

Don't you ever fucking judge me or insult me unless you've walked 10 miles in my shoes.

It's no wonder Mimi maced you. LOL

Just curious loser - how much money do you make? I notice it's always the losers, pimps, or outright cheapskates who take issue with taking care of their girlfriends.

How about you putting your TS GF through the university so she doesn't have to prostitute. I am. How about you standing up for TS rights so they have the possibility of getting hired once they do get a degree. I do. How about you hiring transsexuals at your company - I DO!

How do you propose that most t-girls GET a high paying job? When we have States like Utah refusing to provide TS job discrimination protection. In Utah you can be FIRED just for being SUSPECTED of being gay, or trans. You can be refused a hotel room an apartment or even a MEAL for being trans and you have NO RECOURSE. The Federal government turned down ENDA last year that would have provided federal anti discrimination law.

In a survey done in San Diego in 2004 (the most recent one available), less than 4% of transsexuals earn above $100,000. 36% earn less than $10,000 and over 57% had incomes of under $20,000 a year.

Yes, I believe that men should take care of their girlfriends. That doesn't mean buying her a BMW on the first date - unless you are really rich... LOL Why should a girl put out for you just because. (Hotties get a pass. LOL)

As for me I don't NEED a man in my life. I don't need the money. I've got money. I'm in a relationship. But I also don't need to be used by a guy who's going to go home to his wife and kids and leave me to fend for myself UNLESS he's going to "take care" of me. I've got more self esteem than that.

As for your comment about love. Well love is great but it's just as easy for a girl to love a rich man as a poor one. And I'm sure as hell not going to support a poor man, no matter how nice or big his scholng is.

And my comments are not so much directed toward people who meet in one manner or another and fall in love, regardless of the T. I'm talking about men who just want sex with a hot young TS, and who then won't be seen in public with her, or take her home to Mom.

So let me ask you this - you want love, but you don't want to pay for it. Are you going to marry a TS girl and have your family and friends and employer know it? Are you still going to LOVE her when she's 50 - and when YOU are 50 and nobody wants your fat saggy beer gutted ass but her.

Are you going to stand by her when she is discriminated against by her employer, or her school. Are you going to adopt children with her? How? Can you support a family in a decent standard of living?

What are you going to do when your landlord kicks your ass out because you are a "fag" and you live with a transsexual. What are you going to do when you car is vandalized by a homophobic neighbor?

Are you going to hold her hand when she comes out of surgery after having her sex change - an operation that you have shared 50/50 in the expense.

And what are you going to to even AFTER her sex change when your friends and neighbors and employers whisper behind your back - "psst - that's the guy who's married to the girl who used to be a man."

If you aren't going to do all that and a 100 times more then STFU and go back to whacking off to your free HA porn pics.

Sheesh,
TS Jamie :-)

[mbf]

This is hillarious.

One one side youve got 50 odd year old out of shape old transbian escorts saying 'men have to pay pay pay pay for everything', yet they have and never will get a decent man in their life.

On the other hand youve got escorts on here saying they want a boyfriend and cant understand why?

Lets put this extremely simple, as simple as it gets.

You are WOMEN therefore do what any regular genetic girl would do.

Most genetic women are not prostitutes/sex workers so that ruins it for you out of the minority of guys that will accept ts women down to maybe 10% of the original figure.

So you are left with a pool of 10% of the original figure who like ts women.

Now of that original figure, how many of the educated, good looking and hung men are going to want to bother paying for an escort? Some of them will instantly be turned off by the fact that you are a sex worker anyway because they dont want to have sex with a whore. So that takes the best guys out of the equation.

If lets say you managed to get a degree and hold down a good regular job, just the same as any regular girl who is successful, without all this sex work bullsh1t, then you might find that you have access to 100% of the men that are sexually attracted to ts women.

That will be quite a lot of men.

Out of that figure, there is bound to be a guy who you really fancy and who fancies you back. Someone with a decent job, good looks, a big dick and nice personality. Someone who will be faithful to you as well.

So then what would happen is what happens in any normal straight relationship. The guy will pay for the first few dates, then if it gets serious, both people either take turns to pay or pay for themselves or share the bill 50/50.

The whole point of a relationship is 'love', its not about a monetary policy, or a banking scheme, it is about loving each other. Who cares who pays?

Bottom of the story is this, if you are constantly worried about money and not focussing on meeting a nice guy you fancy and who treats you well and with respect, then you will never ever have a proper relationship.

Money might be important in life, but do you really think that a sexy guy (who can get practically any girl he wants, for free) is going to pay for everything so that his transexual prostitute girlfriend can be showered with gifts whilst he stays faithful to her and deals with her fucking 2-3 clients every single day?

Come on now, get real. Live in the real world.

Regular women can manage it, so you should manage it. You have less choice of men to choose from than regular women, yet you throw it all down the toilet with prostitution and expecting men to pay for everything.

Totally pathetic. No decent guy in their right mind would want to date someone who expects everything to be paid for. Not because he doesnt fancy you, but because he will think you are greedy and selfish. Greedy and selfish people do not end up in good relationships.

As for the comments on 'men have to pay', please, live in the real world will you.

MOST OF THE TS ON HERE (THE YOUNG SEXY ONES) FANCY MEN, THEY ARE NOT TRANSBIANS, THEY DO NOT FANCY WOMEN.

Therefore they want a decent man. Yet some idiots on here are telling them to 'charge' the men money for taking them on a date?

Pathetic.

spot on

[mbf]

i wonder whats the percentage of guys that wont sleep with a working girl

I have no idea, thing is though, if you meet a considerably hot tranny NOT in an escort (online, club, wherever) situation, the likelihood of her doing some adult entertainment (whoring, webcam, milking some sugardaddy) is very high. Even if she is doing a "legit" job, she will make that easy money on the side. It's so widespread these days, also with GGs.

Such an arrengement might work for some young dude, aged between 20 and 35 roughly, but in no way for a career interested professional male later in his life.

[phobun]

How about you putting your TS GF through the university so she doesn't have to prostitute. I am. How about you standing up for TS rights so they have the possibility of getting hired once they do get a degree. I do. How about you hiring transsexuals at your company - I DO!
I'll believe you are supertranny when you can also tell us how you fly a plane and flip a house.

[justatransgirl]

FUCK YOU too Phobum

It's men like you that make it so that so many transsexuals have to prostitute. You are insulting and I think maybe a little jealous that there are t-girls out there who ARE moving beyond the gutter - and that hurts your male control psyche.

Sheesh,
TS Jamie :-)

[RubyTS]

Yes, I believe that men should take care of their girlfriends.
Ditto



it's just as easy for a girl to love a rich man as a poor one. And I'm sure as hell not going to support a poor man
AMEN!



So let me ask you this - you want love, but you don't want to pay for it. Are you going to marry a TS girl and have your family and friends and employer know it? Are you still going to LOVE her when she's 50 - and when YOU are 50 and nobody wants your fat saggy beer gutted ass but her.

Are you going to stand by her when she is discriminated against by her employer, or her school. Are you going to adopt children with her? How? Can you support a family in a decent standard of living?

What are you going to do when your landlord kicks your ass out because you are a "fag" and you live with a transsexual. What are you going to do when you car is vandalized by a homophobic neighbor?

If you aren't going to do all that and a 100 times more then STFU and go back to whacking off to your free HA porn pics.


The sad part is when most guys think about being in a relationship with a
TS all they think about is the hotness that goes down behind closed doors. When fantasy becomes reality they can't take the heat. Most people live their entire life for EVERYONE ELSE and avoid doing things that make them happy because of their concern of what others would think or say if they found out.

[thefrakkincaptain]

i wonder whats the percentage of guys that wont sleep with a working girl

I'm not trying to judge anyone here, or start any shit, but I've been with 8 t-girls in my life, including my wife of five years, and have never paid for a single one of them. Don't get me wrong, I've paid for the date as I rightfully would with any woman, but it hasn't been an "arrangement" or anything of the type. Nor would I ever, ever pay for sex with a TG or GG.

Like I said, not trying to judge anyone here, just expressing my opinion.

[Dengoza]

I HAVE HAD SOME VERY NICE FRIENDS WHO ARE TS.

[phobun]

FUCK YOU too Phobum

It's men like you that make it so that so many transsexuals have to prostitute. You are insulting and I think maybe a little jealous that there are t-girls out there who ARE moving beyond the gutter - and that hurts your male control psyche.

Sheesh,
TS Jamie :-)
Oh lighten up. A little tease about being "supertranny" and you respond this this sort of shrill, hypersensitive, almost paranoid vitriol. No wonder nobody took your thread here seriously:
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=625253&highlight=#625253

[thefrakkincaptain]

I will add here that I could seriously love and marry a hung angel. It took a while to reach this point but I know that I could, its just not easy to find the right girl and I still have not...

I met mine on Yahoo Messenger. They've got TG chatrooms there. Have you tried that?

[RubyTS]

Its funny how u guys have tg girlfriends yet still cruise this forum...... ?

[phobun]

Its funny how u guys have tg girlfriends yet still cruise this forum...... ?
It won't be too funny if their girlfriends find out.
It's not like this place is Playboy with articles they could claim to be reading.

[mikejones]

Its funny how u guys have tg girlfriends yet still cruise this forum...... ?

I suspect my girl fantasizes about other guys, but she doesn't act on it. Same for me with other Tgirls.

Look but don't touch...

[RubyTS]

<<<< Still waiting for someone to tell me why these, "happily involved in long term COMMITTED relationships with hot TS women" gentlemen, still feel the need to cruise these TS Boards? I personally would feel betrayed

[RubyTS]

Its funny how u guys have tg girlfriends yet still cruise this forum...... ?

I suspect my girl fantasizes about other guys, but she doesn't act on it. Same for me with other Tgirls.

Look but don't touch...

ok tru, but ur not only cruising porn, you're also interracting with some of the same girls u watch in film... If u caught ur girlfriend talking to.. John Holmes (god rest his soul) would u not feel betrayed? Offended? Hurt? distrusting?

[mbf]

<<<< Still waiting for someone to tell me why these, "happily involved in long term COMMITTED relationships with hot TS women" gentlemen, still feel the need to cruise these TS Boards? I personally would feel betrayed

because those trannies happily involved in long term COMMITTED relationships are not the most trustworthy individuals either in many cases

[RubyTS]

<<<< Still waiting for someone to tell me why these, "happily involved in long term COMMITTED relationships with hot TS women" gentlemen, still feel the need to cruise these TS Boards? I personally would feel betrayed

because those trannies happily involved in long term COMMITTED relationships are not the most trustworthy individuals either in many cases

thats a total generalization. Do u know MOST TRANNIES in long term committed relationships to jump to that conclusion?

[mikejones]

Its funny how u guys have tg girlfriends yet still cruise this forum...... ?

I suspect my girl fantasizes about other guys, but she doesn't act on it. Same for me with other Tgirls.

Look but don't touch...

ok tru, but ur not only cruising porn, you're also interracting with some of the same girls u watch in film... If u caught ur girlfriend talking to.. John Holmes (god rest his soul) would u not feel betrayed? Offended? Hurt? distrusting?

I understand your point, but for me, no I wouldn't be upset. Because it's only someone on a computer on the other side of the country. She is still with me and loves me. If she was out talking to the neighbor or some guy at the bar then that would bother me.

I suspect everyone has a different level of tolerance for this though. It probably also has to do with the level of trust that I've developed with her too.

[mbf]

thats a total generalization. Do u know MOST TRANNIES in long term committed relationships to jump to that conclusion?
do you know MOST MEN in long term commited relationships with trannies? No? than your generalisation is just as bullshit. You started yours first tho.

And I have just some experience missy, so....

[RubyTS]

Its funny how u guys have tg girlfriends yet still cruise this forum...... ?

I suspect my girl fantasizes about other guys, but she doesn't act on it. Same for me with other Tgirls.

Look but don't touch...

ok tru, but ur not only cruising porn, you're also interracting with some of the same girls u watch in film... If u caught ur girlfriend talking to.. John Holmes (god rest his soul) would u not feel betrayed? Offended? Hurt? distrusting?

I understand your point, but for me, no I wouldn't be upset. Because it's only someone on a computer on the other side of the country. She is still with me and loves me. If she was out talking to the neighbor or some guy at the bar then that would bother me.

I suspect everyone has a different level of tolerance for this though. It probably also has to do with the level of trust that I've developed with her too.

Thats a gr8 answer, and just so u know im not trying to pick a fight i really enjoy debates so please dont take anything i say offensive or as am attack towards u. We're speaking in general here. Your case is specific an i think its gr8 if u and ur girlfriend have that level of trust. But i also know that I PERSONALLY would feel hurt. You could be cruising any number of TS sites and enjoy ur fantasies, but u choose to engage in conversations here. And most of the girls here escort and would be more than happy top fly across country to meet with a generous gentleman, if u catch my drift. A hot TS pornstar is a lot less limited in acces than a genetic female. I dont know if your girlfriend knows that u frequent this site or not, but i do hope that if she does find out she will be as open minded as u

[RubyTS]

thats a total generalization. Do u know MOST TRANNIES in long term committed relationships to jump to that conclusion?
do you know MOST MEN in long term commited relationships with trannies? No? than your generalisation is just as bullshit. You started yours first tho.

And I have just some experience missy, so....

Well im sorry to hear that. I dont generalize i speak from experience as well. But the majority of girls i know, would like nothing more than to be in a happy committed relationship and are very faithful. Even to the extent that they have quit escorting to make their relationship work. SEVERAL times, and have regretted it, because the guys they date make them feel cheaper than the guys who will pay to worship

[mikejones]

Its funny how u guys have tg girlfriends yet still cruise this forum...... ?

I suspect my girl fantasizes about other guys, but she doesn't act on it. Same for me with other Tgirls.

Look but don't touch...

ok tru, but ur not only cruising porn, you're also interracting with some of the same girls u watch in film... If u caught ur girlfriend talking to.. John Holmes (god rest his soul) would u not feel betrayed? Offended? Hurt? distrusting?

I understand your point, but for me, no I wouldn't be upset. Because it's only someone on a computer on the other side of the country. She is still with me and loves me. If she was out talking to the neighbor or some guy at the bar then that would bother me.

I suspect everyone has a different level of tolerance for this though. It probably also has to do with the level of trust that I've developed with her too.

Thats a gr8 answer, and just so u know im not trying to pick a fight i really enjoy debates so please dont take anything i say offensive or as am attack towards u. We're speaking in general here. Your case is specific an i think its gr8 if u and ur girlfriend have that level of trust. But i also know that I PERSONALLY would feel hurt. You could be cruising any number of TS sites and enjoy ur fantasies, but u choose to engage in conversations here. And most of the girls here escort and would be more than happy top fly across country to meet with a generous gentleman, if u catch my drift. A hot TS pornstar is a lot less limited in acces than a genetic female. I dont know if your girlfriend knows that u frequent this site or not, but i do hope that if she does find out she will be as open minded as u

Yes, she knows. I have posted some pics of her here also, and she knows that too.

I enjoyed conversing with you on this Ruby. You are very civil when you disagree with someone and it makes your point stronger.

It never occured to me about asking a girl to get on an airplane for a "visit." But if that was a real option then yes, it might change things.

[RubyTS]

Its funny how u guys have tg girlfriends yet still cruise this forum...... ?

I suspect my girl fantasizes about other guys, but she doesn't act on it. Same for me with other Tgirls.

Look but don't touch...

ok tru, but ur not only cruising porn, you're also interracting with some of the same girls u watch in film... If u caught ur girlfriend talking to.. John Holmes (god rest his soul) would u not feel betrayed? Offended? Hurt? distrusting?

I understand your point, but for me, no I wouldn't be upset. Because it's only someone on a computer on the other side of the country. She is still with me and loves me. If she was out talking to the neighbor or some guy at the bar then that would bother me.

I suspect everyone has a different level of tolerance for this though. It probably also has to do with the level of trust that I've developed with her too.

Thats a gr8 answer, and just so u know im not trying to pick a fight i really enjoy debates so please dont take anything i say offensive or as am attack towards u. We're speaking in general here. Your case is specific an i think its gr8 if u and ur girlfriend have that level of trust. But i also know that I PERSONALLY would feel hurt. You could be cruising any number of TS sites and enjoy ur fantasies, but u choose to engage in conversations here. And most of the girls here escort and would be more than happy top fly across country to meet with a generous gentleman, if u catch my drift. A hot TS pornstar is a lot less limited in acces than a genetic female. I dont know if your girlfriend knows that u frequent this site or not, but i do hope that if she does find out she will be as open minded as u

Yes, she knows. I have posted some pics of her here also, and she knows that too.

I enjoyed conversing with you on this Ruby. You are very civil when you disagree with someone and it makes your point stronger.

It never occured to me about asking a girl to get on an airplane for a "visit." But if that was a real option then yes, it might change things.

well thanx honey. i try, i know how quickly things can get ugly on here and i try to avoid bringing out the "bronx girl" in me lol. I think thats really cool and more power to u in your relationship. Sounds like u guys have a good thing going.

[justatransgirl]

Oh lighten up. A little tease about being "supertranny" and you respond this this sort of shrill, hypersensitive, almost paranoid vitriol.

Ah phobun... you caught me in a hypersensitive paranoid moment after I'd just finished schooling that first guy. I'm sorry, you're OK, apology accepted. Now back to the entertainment at hand.

I think maybe we all need to consider that every person and situation and relationship is different. Some people meet and fall in love, and some are rich are some aren't, but hopefully they are all happy. Others find or prefer their love by the hour for as many reason as there are people. Neither is necessarily better or worse than the other. It's just how it is so I guess we all (including me) just need to accept that everyone is different, and that's OK.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

Its funny how u guys have tg girlfriends yet still cruise this forum...... ?

I suspect my girl fantasizes about other guys, but she doesn't act on it. Same for me with other Tgirls.

Look but don't touch...

ok tru, but ur not only cruising porn, you're also interracting with some of the same girls u watch in film... If u caught ur girlfriend talking to.. John Holmes (god rest his soul) would u not feel betrayed? Offended? Hurt? distrusting?

No, not really. If my girl was talking to him i wouldnt care less.

The reason for that is because he was ugly and my gf wouldnt fancy him.

I dont care if he has some 12 inch dick. You seem to think that most real girls are cocksluts, this is not the case. Most real girls want a man who is good looking, funny, with a decent sized cock, who loves them. Someone they can have prospects with.

Most real girls do not fancy male porn stars, there are far better looking guys out there with much much more going for them than a pornstar.

This is what you have to understand. Now add in that a pornstar might be a frigging sex worker as well, how many educated girls from good backgrounds who's families have money and they have decent jobs would want to date a male escort who is also on camera fucking lots of women (or men)?

Be serious. Live in the real world.

If you said brad pitt who is a v good looking guy, an a list hollywood star, multimillionaire and probably has a regular sized dick, except he doesnt escort and he doesnt do porn, he just sells hollywood mega busters and gets paid 10-20 million dollars per movie. Then you might have had a point.

Conversely do you think that someone as succesful as brad pitt (lets take out the whole movie star part, because that is unrealistic) but lets say that you have the oppurtunity to go out with a guy you really really fancy. He treats you with lots of respect (he doesnt know you are a prostitute at this stage), he takes you on a few dates and doesnt try sexual advances because he has more respect for you than that. Respectful guys will not try to have sex with a date after the first or second date, they are dating because they respect women (or ts women as the case might be) and dating for a reason, to find someone they like and want to be in a relationship with.

Yet on the date (that he booked and paid for in a nice restaraunt) you say you need to go to the toilet, so he says 'oh hun, whilst you're up, can you get 2 drinks in please, i'll have a bud please, thanks hun, see you soon).

Yet you are appauled and shocked, you feel it is terrible behaviour, how dare he ask you to spend 12 dollars on a drink (when he is buying you dinner, paying for taxi and bar entrance, bowling, cinema etc), how dare he! How dare he ask you to buy the next round of drinks!!!

So are you saying that this would make you feel very upset?

He asked if you would buy the next round of drinks?

Some of the advice given to you on here is truly laughable.

One person in particular who is what, in her 50's, a sex worker, has a transexual gf. To that person, would you charge your transexual girlfriend money to take you on a date, or does she charge you?

The bottom line is that young ts girls (either sex workers or not) are attracted to men, they are not attracted to other trans or women (or maybe 10-20%, but they want a boyfriend). What boyfriend in their right mind would simply expect to put up with a greedy and selfish ts girl, when he has the goods to simply find another one or a real girl who will be kind and friendly and not see a relationship as some sort of money agreement.

This is what prostitution does. You have been tarnished now. You seem to think a relationship is an exchange between sex and money. It doesnt work like that in the real world. A proper relationship is about love, not about money. A relationship that works is one about companionship and about mutual love for each other.

It is because you love each other that you have sex, to make love, to feel something special, to have the connection with the person you love, with the guy you fancy and who makes you go weak at the knees. Its not about money, its not about 'oooh, does he have 9 inch dick or is it 11 inches?' It is about who you feel special with, if you fancy him, if he turns you on and you feel good together.

Otherwise you can expect never ever to get married and definately never to meet anyone who loves you for you and not for something between your legs because he sees you as a freak or something, his little pet freak that he will pay for sex in return to keep you quiet whilst he goes and marries a rich regular girl and has a family with her, is that what you want?

Love is not about money. Find a guy that you fancy (if he fancies you), go on a few dates with him, see how things go. If he treats you well, forget about who pays what or when, he will probably pay at least his half anyway, then if you feel the spark and the romance is there, that you get good vibes and slowly you can trust him, you know he is your man.

There are good men out there.

But expect your relationship to end as soon as he finds out you are a prostitute, thats for sure in 90% of cases.

[evalala]

Great discussion everyone thank you. I did not write that piece I had to use it. One of my best friends wrote that a long time ago to me when I was doubting myself in a previous relationship. My best friend just knew all the right things to say, she is absolutely the most amazing human being. Everyone can be an amazing human being in their own right. This best friend of mine was exceptional. Truly when she loves she gives everything with no reconsideration of her actions because her intentions remains the best for the relationship. She just always wanted me to work hard to maintain the relationship with my ex but I was the only one putting in all the effort and ended up being dumped for it. I'm not bitter and mate I'm not vengeful. I continue to smile because my best friend is looking out for me, reminding me that I have a large heart capable of loving someone completely.

[evalala]

Some of you made comments a lot about "if you got a gf already and you are still surfin on these sex sites", so on and so forth. You all know how I feel about that from my previous posts, I'm also psychotic about how I feel about that, how dirty it is even though its just look but don't touch (look don't act on the fantasies) etc. I just think why not go all the way, if you can fantasize what is stopping someone from going all the way. My (anonymous) best mate she (woops) best friend, pardon my English! She always reminded me to understand that that is simply everyone's fantasy (to explore and to be curious).

The most important thing to remember is that we all do it and its totally natural to be curious and to explore. Stressing the point (IF YOU ARE SINGLE). When you are involved, slowly ween yourself away from those past and teenager habits. That is all you have to do.

What is that saying? (What goes around comes around). No one can get away with anything anymore on line mate! Everyone can see or find out exactly what all you been up to, its easy mate I'm telling you the truth! Your GF or BF most likely knows about all of your activities online which you once thought were so secretive and wow I'm getting away with this yes! TSK TSK TSK no you are not mate.

Bottom line my best mate (best friend) reminded me of was (what you have is so special and so worth preserving, it is once in a life time in some cases, you only have this chance to love, to be so loved and you wanna blow it?)

Stay true to each other and be totally honest with yourselves. Get it all out of your system before you claim to be someone else's MR RIGHT or MRS RIGHT. Do your homework and finish your chores. Or remain single and enjoy all of this and more, it is your god-given-right mate. You ultimately make that decision NO ONE CAN make it for you.

Be faithful and honest in a monogamous-committed, long-term relationship or be single. You don't have to chose. Just be yourself. Seeking porn just simply suggests you have fantasies in your head either you are embarrassed to share, can't let go of, can't grow up out of, or worst of all can't be satisfied by your partner.

Is she worth it, is he worth it? So many GFs leave their BFs because BF still SEEKS out (this is the key topic people is SEEKS OUT) porn. No one just surfs porn, there are specific things, well, porn is specific no matter what it is still is porn.

Okay, if no one can trust each other and no one can be trusted. Just stay single and seeking. Or join a porn commune? Do those exist? Sorry mate thats another topic.

Thank you all of you mate.

[alyssats]

Its my dream to have a bf also even a husband
But it seems so hard

Where could i find all the serious guys out there?
It is going to be hard enough for you because you're a transsexual, and a lot of guys ultimately want a wife to bear a child. A post-op living stealth, or near-stealth, would have an easier time, but there is still the kid issue.

Even if kids are not an issue with the guy, they might be for his family, and on top of that, most guys would not want to bring a prostitute home and introduce her to mom.

But most important of all, no guy with any self-respect is going to marry a prostitute. That is why the whole Pretty Woman fairytale is sheer fantasy.

If you're a transsexual prostitute whining about a lack of serious guys interested in marriage, then you need to get serious.


thanks for the input

by the way off course im looking for a guy who likes a relationship with TS and not with GG, some guys are like that

and also i think "work" is not an issue if love is what we are talking about.
most of my friend who got married to their bf are the prostitute ones.
one of my TS friend works as showgirl/prostitute in a bar in Japan and met a guy there. they got married now she lives in USA with the guy.
my other TS friend met this guy while working as a prostitute and now they got married and happily lives in Germany. if you really love the person and serious why not?

ive tried dating for long term relationship with guys before when i was still very much a virgin jeje and work in the corporate world but most of the guys who said they are into LTR are so much bullshit. I just lost so much time,effort and money to them. they just want to have free sex claiming they marry after. so much bullocks jeje

[alyssats]

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[DL_NL]

Multiposts aside :) this must be the most intelligent thread here by a lightyear or so. Thanks for the insight, all.

[SarahG]

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[SarahG]

I could care less if I was with a guy in a LTR who posted or lurked here frequently.

What it boils down to, is trust. If you can't trust the guy enough to deal with him talking to other girls (gg's or ts) then the relationship is pretty much doomed to not work from the start. Our culture isn't all that sex segregated, so any guy (single or not) is going to have to deal with interacting with people of the opposite sex be it the cop who pulls him over, or the cute girl working a cash register at the grocery store.

What separates a guy that has LTR potential from someone who doesn't cut it- is the guy with LTR potential would be able to have that small talk "hi, how are you doing? Sorry to hear that/that's good, I'll see you next week when I come back in this store" with someone they find attractive without trying to go have a secretive affair with her.

I'll give an inverted scenario; everyone knows about those possessive guys who forbid their GF's/wives from talking to any other males (including former friends, neighbors, strangers in public, etc.) and we all know how stupid, abusive, and frowned upon that out of control possessive behavior can get. This girl (gg) I know had a husband who would beat the shit out of her if she said as much as "hello" back to a male cash register, because the guy was so paranoid that she'd fuck anyone who so much as said hi to her in public. An extreme example, with an excessively harsh reaction- but the logic is essentially the same.

People are going to have colleagues, coworkers, classmates, and friends of the opposite sex- that's unavoidable. Sometimes they'll even be (gasp!) single & attractive, but if your S.O. can't be trusted to deal with that- then it probably shouldn't be a LTR in the first place.

[RubyTS]

Its funny how u guys have tg girlfriends yet still cruise this forum...... ?

I suspect my girl fantasizes about other guys, but she doesn't act on it. Same for me with other Tgirls.

Look but don't touch...

ok tru, but ur not only cruising porn, you're also interracting with some of the same girls u watch in film... If u caught ur girlfriend talking to.. John Holmes (god rest his soul) would u not feel betrayed? Offended? Hurt? distrusting?

No, not really. If my girl was talking to him i wouldnt care less.

The reason for that is because he was ugly and my gf wouldnt fancy him.

I dont care if he has some 12 inch dick. You seem to think that most real girls are cocksluts, this is not the case. Most real girls want a man who is good looking, funny, with a decent sized cock, who loves them. Someone they can have prospects with.

Most real girls do not fancy male porn stars, there are far better looking guys out there with much much more going for them than a pornstar.

This is what you have to understand. Now add in that a pornstar might be a frigging sex worker as well, how many educated girls from good backgrounds who's families have money and they have decent jobs would want to date a male escort who is also on camera fucking lots of women (or men)?

Be serious. Live in the real world.

If you said brad pitt who is a v good looking guy, an a list hollywood star, multimillionaire and probably has a regular sized dick, except he doesnt escort and he doesnt do porn, he just sells hollywood mega busters and gets paid 10-20 million dollars per movie. Then you might have had a point.

Conversely do you think that someone as succesful as brad pitt (lets take out the whole movie star part, because that is unrealistic) but lets say that you have the oppurtunity to go out with a guy you really really fancy. He treats you with lots of respect (he doesnt know you are a prostitute at this stage), he takes you on a few dates and doesnt try sexual advances because he has more respect for you than that. Respectful guys will not try to have sex with a date after the first or second date, they are dating because they respect women (or ts women as the case might be) and dating for a reason, to find someone they like and want to be in a relationship with.

Yet on the date (that he booked and paid for in a nice restaraunt) you say you need to go to the toilet, so he says 'oh hun, whilst you're up, can you get 2 drinks in please, i'll have a bud please, thanks hun, see you soon).

Yet you are appauled and shocked, you feel it is terrible behaviour, how dare he ask you to spend 12 dollars on a drink (when he is buying you dinner, paying for taxi and bar entrance, bowling, cinema etc), how dare he! How dare he ask you to buy the next round of drinks!!!

So are you saying that this would make you feel very upset?

He asked if you would buy the next round of drinks?

Some of the advice given to you on here is truly laughable.

One person in particular who is what, in her 50's, a sex worker, has a transexual gf. To that person, would you charge your transexual girlfriend money to take you on a date, or does she charge you?

The bottom line is that young ts girls (either sex workers or not) are attracted to men, they are not attracted to other trans or women (or maybe 10-20%, but they want a boyfriend). What boyfriend in their right mind would simply expect to put up with a greedy and selfish ts girl, when he has the goods to simply find another one or a real girl who will be kind and friendly and not see a relationship as some sort of money agreement.

This is what prostitution does. You have been tarnished now. You seem to think a relationship is an exchange between sex and money. It doesnt work like that in the real world. A proper relationship is about love, not about money. A relationship that works is one about companionship and about mutual love for each other.

It is because you love each other that you have sex, to make love, to feel something special, to have the connection with the person you love, with the guy you fancy and who makes you go weak at the knees. Its not about money, its not about 'oooh, does he have 9 inch dick or is it 11 inches?' It is about who you feel special with, if you fancy him, if he turns you on and you feel good together.

Otherwise you can expect never ever to get married and definately never to meet anyone who loves you for you and not for something between your legs because he sees you as a freak or something, his little pet freak that he will pay for sex in return to keep you quiet whilst he goes and marries a rich regular girl and has a family with her, is that what you want?

Love is not about money. Find a guy that you fancy (if he fancies you), go on a few dates with him, see how things go. If he treats you well, forget about who pays what or when, he will probably pay at least his half anyway, then if you feel the spark and the romance is there, that you get good vibes and slowly you can trust him, you know he is your man.

There are good men out there.

But expect your relationship to end as soon as he finds out you are a prostitute, thats for sure in 90% of cases.

You missed the enire point.... The question was to guys who are in relationships with TRANNYS, so if u would have read the whole thread before posting u woulda saved yourself a lot of time writing such irrelevant nonsense

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

Its funny how u guys have tg girlfriends yet still cruise this forum...... ?

I suspect my girl fantasizes about other guys, but she doesn't act on it. Same for me with other Tgirls.

Look but don't touch...

ok tru, but ur not only cruising porn, you're also interracting with some of the same girls u watch in film... If u caught ur girlfriend talking to.. John Holmes (god rest his soul) would u not feel betrayed? Offended? Hurt? distrusting?

No, not really. If my girl was talking to him i wouldnt care less.

The reason for that is because he was ugly and my gf wouldnt fancy him.

I dont care if he has some 12 inch dick. You seem to think that most real girls are cocksluts, this is not the case. Most real girls want a man who is good looking, funny, with a decent sized cock, who loves them. Someone they can have prospects with.

Most real girls do not fancy male porn stars, there are far better looking guys out there with much much more going for them than a pornstar.

This is what you have to understand. Now add in that a pornstar might be a frigging sex worker as well, how many educated girls from good backgrounds who's families have money and they have decent jobs would want to date a male escort who is also on camera fucking lots of women (or men)?

Be serious. Live in the real world.

If you said brad pitt who is a v good looking guy, an a list hollywood star, multimillionaire and probably has a regular sized dick, except he doesnt escort and he doesnt do porn, he just sells hollywood mega busters and gets paid 10-20 million dollars per movie. Then you might have had a point.

Conversely do you think that someone as succesful as brad pitt (lets take out the whole movie star part, because that is unrealistic) but lets say that you have the oppurtunity to go out with a guy you really really fancy. He treats you with lots of respect (he doesnt know you are a prostitute at this stage), he takes you on a few dates and doesnt try sexual advances because he has more respect for you than that. Respectful guys will not try to have sex with a date after the first or second date, they are dating because they respect women (or ts women as the case might be) and dating for a reason, to find someone they like and want to be in a relationship with.

Yet on the date (that he booked and paid for in a nice restaraunt) you say you need to go to the toilet, so he says 'oh hun, whilst you're up, can you get 2 drinks in please, i'll have a bud please, thanks hun, see you soon).

Yet you are appauled and shocked, you feel it is terrible behaviour, how dare he ask you to spend 12 dollars on a drink (when he is buying you dinner, paying for taxi and bar entrance, bowling, cinema etc), how dare he! How dare he ask you to buy the next round of drinks!!!

So are you saying that this would make you feel very upset?

He asked if you would buy the next round of drinks?

Some of the advice given to you on here is truly laughable.

One person in particular who is what, in her 50's, a sex worker, has a transexual gf. To that person, would you charge your transexual girlfriend money to take you on a date, or does she charge you?

The bottom line is that young ts girls (either sex workers or not) are attracted to men, they are not attracted to other trans or women (or maybe 10-20%, but they want a boyfriend). What boyfriend in their right mind would simply expect to put up with a greedy and selfish ts girl, when he has the goods to simply find another one or a real girl who will be kind and friendly and not see a relationship as some sort of money agreement.

This is what prostitution does. You have been tarnished now. You seem to think a relationship is an exchange between sex and money. It doesnt work like that in the real world. A proper relationship is about love, not about money. A relationship that works is one about companionship and about mutual love for each other.

It is because you love each other that you have sex, to make love, to feel something special, to have the connection with the person you love, with the guy you fancy and who makes you go weak at the knees. Its not about money, its not about 'oooh, does he have 9 inch dick or is it 11 inches?' It is about who you feel special with, if you fancy him, if he turns you on and you feel good together.

Otherwise you can expect never ever to get married and definately never to meet anyone who loves you for you and not for something between your legs because he sees you as a freak or something, his little pet freak that he will pay for sex in return to keep you quiet whilst he goes and marries a rich regular girl and has a family with her, is that what you want?

Love is not about money. Find a guy that you fancy (if he fancies you), go on a few dates with him, see how things go. If he treats you well, forget about who pays what or when, he will probably pay at least his half anyway, then if you feel the spark and the romance is there, that you get good vibes and slowly you can trust him, you know he is your man.

There are good men out there.

But expect your relationship to end as soon as he finds out you are a prostitute, thats for sure in 90% of cases.

You missed the enire point.... The question was to guys who are in relationships with TRANNYS, so if u would have read the whole thread before posting u woulda saved yourself a lot of time writing such irrelevant nonsense

If you actually took heed of advice, that was neither supposed to be 'against' or 'buttlicking' you might actually learn something.

But, youll carry on doing the same shit, listening to the same fools (look at the state of them in the whole scheme of things) and carry on dating the same idiots and expecting a beautiful male adonis with lots of money who will stay totally faithful to his transexual prostitute girlfriend :lol:

Come on, its about living in the real world.

Just think like a real girl for a minute. YOU ARE A WOMAN! So think like one!

If all these women can have regular relationships and get married, why can you not?

How many female prostitutes end up with great caring families and gorgeous husbands?

Be honest with yourself rather than try to attack me or pull off a snide remark.

You're a nice looking girl, save up for an education, when youve got it, you can get a nice regular job with nice regular people and get a nice relationship with a guy you fancy.

Yourself and others will end up with absolutely nothing in the long run, if you continue on self destruct mode. Im not trying to be rude, just writing advice.

Your choice whether you take it though. Anyway, maybe youll find the guy for you in the future, if/when he comes along...THINK...be normal!

Dont be 'hmmm this is a business transaction, you get to fuk me if you buy me things'...you want to date a guy, you dont want to be his dirty secret he has whilst he is secretly in a relationship with pretty real girl from a wealthy family, you dont want to be his little pet freak do you...you want to be his beautiful girlfriend, and the pair of you are faithful and in love...just think how true lovers act. Its got nothing to do with money or who pays for what.

Just some friendly advice. Love is far superior than money, it is also far harder to come by.

[RubyTS]

its not firendly advice, ur makins assumptions on what type of person i am and u dont even know me.

I dont feel a relationship is a business transaction, but if u really think about it, how many women lock men into relatiosnips by purposely getting pregnant? How many women do u know who would rather date a plumber over a doctor?

IF i were to involve myself in a relationship., YES he would have to be hott and hung, faithful, he would need a car, he needs to have a good well paying job. This is not up forr debate! its my own personal preference and its not gonna change.

Im not gonna date someone im not attracted to!
Im not gonna date someone who cant satisfy in the bedroom!
Im not gonna date someone who cant do things for me that i can already do for myself

Until then, im happy to remain single and an escort. And like this girl said earlier, its just as easy to fall in love with a rich guy. (not that in looking for a rich guy but it would be nice)

[phobun]

If all these women can have regular relationships and get married, why can you not?

How many female prostitutes end up with great caring families and gorgeous husbands?
Oh get real, silly! Pretty Woman was a fucking documentary. Everyone knows gerbil boy was doing a reality show. And of course Disney edited out that Cinderella was a working girl too. But she ended up happily ever after!


Just some friendly advice. Love is far superior than money, it is also far harder to come by.
Much of your advice is just common sense if people just sit down and consider potential consequences over the long-term.

My sense is that this ability gets lost the longer one is in the business.

The mark of a jaded prostitute, who has sort of lost touch, is that she begins to see every guy as a john, or at least willing to pay for sex. For too many prostitutes, their entire outlook and personality gets corrupted by this demeaning work, and it is a slow downward spiral. Listen to the tales from that choker Spitzer's whores... physical and emotional abuse is all too common, not to mention the fear from the danger of catching something (genital warts, herpes and the serious STDs); all this takes a toll, and it is surprising that drug abuse by prostitutes is not more common as a means of escape. All the emotional baggage is too much for most self-respecting guys (who would want it?), and they will almost always choose a less attractive girl, who is not a call-girl, as the better option.

Besides, there is such a cynical view about marriage anyways, that people are gold-diggers and such, so why would a guy choose a professional faker who sells herself for cash as a wife? I think most guys would perceive that option as a set-up for failure.

[dj4monie]

I've said it once and I'll say it again. American TS take on the WORST traits of an American Genetic Woman. Saying many woman would rather marry a doctor than a plumber. I guess she's just thinks "Joe The Plumber" is typical and only makes 30-35K a year. That would be false, because for ONE he's not an actual plumber he's a a Plumber In Training, my god the man was on Welfare once... He's WHITE TRASH, period.

The average plumber makes about 50K or more a year. Doctors don't make as much as they used too when you add in malpractice insurance.

Its seem all half way decent looking women feel they deserve the sexiest, richest man they can get. Good looking and Money bring a whole multitude of problems nobody even thinks about until its too late, nor does it automatically mean you'll have a happy and successful relationship.

Rich good-looking men beat their wives too...

Some people think I'm out of line for demanding any T girl I was involved with to sound, move and look like any other girl out there and I prefer post op contrary to many on this board, I don't have a "thing" for she-dick it does nothing for me.

Many providers have successfully married a "John" or some guy they met "off duty". In the case of the man they met off duty, many do not tell of their past life and often relocate to further distance themselves from their former lifestyle. That is concealing the truth, is it fair that the man your with or married doesn't know about your past life? Doesn't he have the right to know?

They are plenty of nice looking, faithful men that would date or marry a T-girl, even if they never considered it otherwise.

I also understand the desire to find a protector, somebody that will confront those people out there that have clocked you and resort to physical violence like they killed your mother and not just said "That's a Boy!". What's the saying "Sticks and Stones....." If you wanna date these pee-brained papi chulos and black thugs, go ahead. They'll more than likely end up in jail or dead as corp thugs don't exist, its a fabrication.

Nice men finish last but only until your a GG past her "best used before" date has 1 or 2 children from fair weather males/husbands and nobody wants an old T-Girl, but that's when dating Nice Men is finally acceptable...

I call that "Damaged Goods"

[russtafa]

im worried that one wants to move in with me and i dont know if shes right for me

[Teydyn]

ur makins assumptions on what type of person i am and u dont even know me.


he would have to be hott and hung
he would need a car
he needs to have a good well paying job.
You dont have a relationship with a cock, a car or a job.

Thats just bonus.

The personality is the one and only thing important for a good, long relationship. I hope you realize that before you are old.

[RubyTS]

ur makins assumptions on what type of person i am and u dont even know me.


he would have to be hott and hung
he would need a car
he needs to have a good well paying job.
You dont have a relationship with a cock, a car or a job.

Thats just bonus.

The personality is the one and only thing important for a good, long relationship. I hope you realize that before you are old.

Yes i do realize that. If i were to simply fall in love with someone then what can i say? What will be will be. I dont see that happening through the means of which i meet people now. I would not invest my time in getting to know someone that im not physically attracted to.

[ef9hatchman]

ur makins assumptions on what type of person i am and u dont even know me.


he would have to be hott and hung
he would need a car
he needs to have a good well paying job.
You dont have a relationship with a cock, a car or a job.

Thats just bonus.

The personality is the one and only thing important for a good, long relationship. I hope you realize that before you are old.

Yes i do realize that. If i were to simply fall in love with someone then what can i say? What will be will be. I dont see that happening through the means of which i meet people now. I would not invest my time in getting to know someone that im not physically attracted to.
Awe Rubes talking about falling in love....Imma cut u if u do lol J.K Have fun in NJ

[Ts CinthyaNY]

IF i were to involve myself in a relationship., YES he would have to be hott and hung, faithful, he would need a car, he needs to have a good well paying job. This is not up forr debate! its my own personal preference and its not gonna change.

Im not gonna date someone im not attracted to!
Im not gonna date someone who cant satisfy in the bedroom!
Im not gonna date someone who cant do things for me that i can already do for myself

Until then, im happy to remain single and an escort. And like this girl said earlier, its just as easy to fall in love with a rich guy. (not that in looking for a rich guy but it would be nice)

Good girl.... Your said Ruby... Some man find hard to believe this but we all have our perfect man in mind and love start in sight . Most guys here overrated us about we being whores even in our relationships and it's not completely true.

We can find our true love in the average Joe, without this one to be a thug or someone who abuse us but instead a guy who may be supporting us all the way in every decision we make, that's love.

If a guy who is looking for love with a TS he better be ready to live with it and open up to society, family and more. It require a great level of maturity to carry a relationship with a TS woman and who escort for a living, unfortunately those men are hard to find.

Love...

Cinthya.

[alyssats]

^ I concur

[phobun]

It require a great level of maturity to carry a relationship with a TS woman and who escort for a living, unfortunately those men are hard to find.
Men willing to carry on a serious relationship with an prostitute do NOT exist, except for desperate souls, lying pimps and other losers.

[RubyTS]

prostitute is such an ugly word, it almost sounds like its meant as a derrogatory term wen people say it here. I think pros stand on street corners and escorts are much classier. And there are cases of males able to accept the fact that it is just a job, and there are some guys that are even more sexually excited by the thought that their girl is being hoe'd out. I do agree that the majority are probably using the girl, or just desperate for love, but it is not a fact to ALL

[Coroner]

It require a great level of maturity to carry a relationship with a TS woman and who escort for a living, unfortunately those men are hard to find.
Men willing to carry on a serious relationship with an prostitute do NOT exist, except for desperate souls, lying pimps and other losers.

Hey, ever heard of Charles Bukowski? :)

[phobun]

prostitute is such an ugly word, it almost sounds like its meant as a derrogatory term wen people say it here. I think pros stand on street corners and escorts are much classier.
Semantics. A Mercedes is "pre-owned", never "used"...
I personally thought "streetwalkers" stand on streetcorners...
Nonetheless, let's not fool ourselves, prostitution is what it is, whether we personally prefer the term or not.

And there are cases of males able to accept the fact that it is just a job, and there are some guys that are even more sexually excited by the thought that their girl is being hoe'd out.
I didn't say that losers don't exist. As for a guy getting turned on by a "girl being hoe'd out"... that is just weird and reflects extreme emotional immaturity, even misogynism, on his part.

I do agree that the majority are probably using the girl, or just desperate for love, but it is not a fact to ALL
There is also a subjective aspect to what constitutes a creep or loser. A magic man in one woman's eyes might be a 90 year old guy in a wheelchair, or a even Ted Bundy character, and some women fall in love with prisoners.

[phobun]

It require a great level of maturity to carry a relationship with a TS woman and who escort for a living, unfortunately those men are hard to find.
Men willing to carry on a serious relationship with an prostitute do NOT exist, except for desperate souls, lying pimps and other losers.

Hey, ever heard of Charles Bukowski? :)
If I have a daughter some day I sure hope she grows up and marries a winner like him.

[Shining Star]

Yes, "prostitution" and the other "P" words are ugly, but it is what it is.

You have never seen girls break down and cry as when they have been arrested for hoeing and see the word in print and be called the same in court.

"Escorting" and "working" do sound nicer, and perhaps let some sleep better at night, but again, is is what it is.

[justatransgirl]

Men willing to carry on a serious relationship with an prostitute do NOT exist, except for desperate souls, lying pimps and other losers.

Wrong.

In my life outside of HA, (is there such a thing as life beyond HA?) I hang out occasionally with a group of straight hobbyists and GG escorts. Several of the girls have BF's or husbands who are NOT pimps but who definitely appreciate the high incomes their spouses bring into the family coffers. I wouldn't call any of them "desperate souls." They feel they are empowering their women to pursue an occupation that provides their families with a high income and quality of life they would not otherwise enjoy.

But these are very high end ladies so it's not the same thing. There is a BIG difference between a street walking prostitute and a courtesan.

Let's pose this question.

If YOUR GF could earn $2-3-4-500,000 a year as a sex worker would you support her?

What if she just did it for a couple of years - which would enable you both to live well for the rest of your lives? Would it then be OK?

Food for thought,
TS Jamie :-)

PS - yes I know there aren't any TS's making 3-500K a year, but there are a few GG's doing it.

[RubyTS]

Well i would greatly appreciate it if u guys would hold back on the "P' word. U can just as easily type escort and its even less letters. It sounds like ur purposely being malicious

And there ARE guys willing to be with an escort or pornstar who are NOT losers or wierdos

[RubyTS]

Your job doesnt define ur relationship. Ive had guys hit me on eros and CL ads before saying they wanna be my man and i KNOW theyre full of sshit. i dont wanna be in a relationship with a guy who wants to be with an escort.. i wanna be with someone who wants to be with ME! What i do doesnt define who i am as a person, and if u can love ME, every relatioship has its obstacles and every person has baggage.

[RubyTS]

And one more thing, lets not forget how huge the swinger industry is.... all these people are making their marriages and relationships work, NOT IN SPITE of being promiscuous, but BECAUSE OF IT!

[LilWyte]

Well i would greatly appreciate it if u guys would hold back on the "P' word. U can just as easily type escort and its even less letters. It sounds like ur purposely being malicious

And there ARE guys willing to be with an escort or pornstar who are NOT losers or wierdos
the losers n wierdos are the ones who pay for it

[RubyTS]

Well i would greatly appreciate it if u guys would hold back on the "P' word. U can just as easily type escort and its even less letters. It sounds like ur purposely being malicious

And there ARE guys willing to be with an escort or pornstar who are NOT losers or wierdos
the losers n wierdos are the ones who pay for it

thats not true at ALL! There are people who understand the price of discretion! Dealing with a professional as oppose to cheating on their girl with family membbers or friends! Guys who know that they can offer no more than what it is, and would rather be with a professional whos not gonna fall in love, not gonna chase him down, key his car and make his life miserable. Guys who are too busy in their life that they cant afford to spend time running game on a girl in order to get the goodies. Sure some guys are just ugly, but i have seen some veryyyy HOTT clients who if i met at a bar, i would have jumped on. When money isnt involved, feelings USUALLY are! Some guys just dont wanna deal with the drama

[phobun]

In my life outside of HA, (is there such a thing as life beyond HA?) I hang out occasionally with a group of straight hobbyists and GG escorts. Several of the girls have BF's or husbands who are NOT pimps but who definitely appreciate the high incomes their spouses bring into the family coffers. I wouldn't call any of them "desperate souls."
I would call those guys leeches. Or parasites.
I bet they appreciate living like fat cats as their wives prostitute themselves to strangers for money with all the risk that entails.
Dispicable lazy men.

They feel they are empowering their women to pursue an occupation that provides their families with a high income and quality of life they would not otherwise enjoy.
Is this comedy? Empowering them? Ridiculous.

But these are very high end ladies so it's not the same thing. There is a BIG difference between a street walking prostitute and a courtesan.
Yeah, Elliot Spitzer's prostitutes were reputedly high end but look at the crap they put up with catering to the fetish choker. It is not a respectable "profession", and if the girls truly respected themselves, they would another safer, legal profession that required the use of their brains. Oh yeah, you have to have a brain to be a good conversationalist, right. That is really what the losers are looking for.

Let's pose this question.

If YOUR GF could earn $2-3-4-500,000 a year as a sex worker would you support her?
If she was earning $2 or $3 or $4 a year she would obviously need additional support from some source, but if she is making $500,000 and she decides to keep a guy around, then he is serving as a psychological salve for her feelings of guilt and inadequacy, even as he feeds off of her.


What if she just did it for a couple of years - which would enable you both to live well for the rest of your lives? Would it then be OK?

Food for thought,
Somethings matter more than money. That is what many prostitutes eventually loses sight of.

[justatransgirl]

the losers n wierdos are the ones who pay for it

I agree with Ruby - when I was active I met a lot of very nice men. There are some very nice men here on HA too who don't mind helping out a girl a little.

It's mostly the younger boys who don't have much experience (or money) who want free love.

IMHO,
TS Jamie :-)

[phobun]

And one more thing, lets not forget how huge the swinger industry is.... all these people are making their marriages and relationships work, NOT IN SPITE of being promiscuous, but BECAUSE OF IT!
Do you seriously hold swingers up as models for how to have a successful marriage?

[justatransgirl]

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[LilWyte]

Well i would greatly appreciate it if u guys would hold back on the "P' word. U can just as easily type escort and its even less letters. It sounds like ur purposely being malicious

And there ARE guys willing to be with an escort or pornstar who are NOT losers or wierdos
the losers n wierdos are the ones who pay for it

thats not true at ALL! There are people who understand the price of discretion! Dealing with a professional as oppose to cheating on their girl with family membbers or friends! Guys who know that they can offer no more than what it is, and would rather be with a professional whos not gonna fall in love, not gonna chase him down, key his car and make his life miserable. Guys who are too busy in their life that they cant afford to spend time running game on a girl in order to get the goodies. Sure some guys are just ugly, but i have seen some veryyyy HOTT clients who if i met at a bar, i would have jumped on. When money isnt involved, feelings USUALLY are! Some guys just dont wanna deal with the drama
cheatin on their girl with family members???? damn thats some west virginia shit




the losers n wierdos are the ones who pay for it


It's mostly the younger boys who don't have much experience (or money) who want free love.


yea cuz paying for sex is totally the norm :lol:

[phobun]

Your job doesnt define ur relationship. Ive had guys hit me on eros and CL ads before saying they wanna be my man and i KNOW theyre full of sshit. i dont wanna be in a relationship with a guy who wants to be with an escort.. i wanna be with someone who wants to be with ME! What i do doesnt define who i am as a person, and if u can love ME, every relatioship has its obstacles and every person has baggage.
You want a relationship with someone who wants to be with you even though you have sex with other men for money. Okay. All I'm saying is that the existence of successful guys who not creeps and who would accept a woman involved in such an occupation is dubious.

[phobun]

Well i would greatly appreciate it if u guys would hold back on the "P' word. U can just as easily type escort and its even less letters. It sounds like ur purposely being malicious

And there ARE guys willing to be with an escort or pornstar who are NOT losers or wierdos
If the word prostitute becomes forbidden because if ruffles one person's feathers that is silly.

[RubyTS]

there u go with the P word again i dont wana get hostile but ur being disrespectful. i asked very kindly that u not use the P word.

Ur saying that its impossible for a guy to wanna be in a relationship with an escort and im just trying to open up ur mind to the possibility.. no scratch that... fact that u are wrong! Because there ARE escorts in functional healthy relationships and i have seen it!

[phobun]

Somethings matter more than money. That is what many prostitutes eventually loses sight of.

Said like a true poor man of high principals... LOL

So why are you hanging out with us prostitutes... err I mean escorts.

Giggles,
TS Jamie :-)
I don't agree that discussing a topic on an internet forum means I'm hanging out with you.

[justatransgirl]

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[RubyTS]

lol lilwyte is mine i will cut u lol

[phobun]

there u go with the P word again i dont wana get hostile but ur being disrespectful. i asked very kindly that u not use the P word.
I'm not being disrespectful just because you don't like a commonly accepted word to describe what "escorts" do. If a girl is charged with "prostitution" and it made the papers, would she tell the reporter that "i dont wana get hostile but ur being disrespectful. i asked very kindly that u not use the P word." It would be absurd.

Ur saying that its impossible for a guy to wanna be in a relationship with an escort and im just trying to open up ur mind to the possibility.. no scratch that... fact that u are wrong! Because there ARE escorts in functional healthy relationships and i have seen it!
I have seen ghosts.

[RubyTS]

there u go with the P word again i dont wana get hostile but ur being disrespectful. i asked very kindly that u not use the P word.
I'm not being disrespectful just because you don't like a commonly accepted word to describe what "escorts" do. If a girl is charged with "prostitution" and it made the papers, would she tell the reporter that "i dont wana get hostile but ur being disrespectful. i asked very kindly that u not use the P word." It would be absurd.

Ur saying that its impossible for a guy to wanna be in a relationship with an escort and im just trying to open up ur mind to the possibility.. no scratch that... fact that u are wrong! Because there ARE escorts in functional healthy relationships and i have seen it!
I have seen ghosts.

ur very arrogant. put aside the fact that we are talkin on a forum because when i asked u respectfully not to use the word prostitute its because i can tell the manner in which u were using it was intended to sting. Now im asking again as a person who is having a RESPECTFUL debate with another person, we can agree to disagree and thats fine. but its not necessary to mud sling, and im telling u that i feel disrespected when u use the word prostitue. Now u dont have to listen to me, but were not in a court and im not talking to a lawyer. im asking you to be respectful of the fact that i feel offended with your use of the word. And should u choose not to, then i know for a fact that ALL u r trying to do here, is like u said earlier, ruffle feathers.

[BLKGSXR]

there u go with the P word again i dont wana get hostile but ur being disrespectful. i asked very kindly that u not use the P word.
I'm not being disrespectful just because you don't like a commonly accepted word to describe what "escorts" do. If a girl is charged with "prostitution" and it made the papers, would she tell the reporter that "i dont wana get hostile but ur being disrespectful. i asked very kindly that u not use the P word." It would be absurd.

Ur saying that its impossible for a guy to wanna be in a relationship with an escort and im just trying to open up ur mind to the possibility.. no scratch that... fact that u are wrong! Because there ARE escorts in functional healthy relationships and i have seen it!
I have seen ghosts.

ur very arrogant. put aside the fact that we are talkin on a forum because when i asked u respectfully not to use the word prostitute its because i can tell the manner in which u were using it was intended to sting. Now im asking again as a person who is having a RESPECTFUL debate with another person, we can agree to disagree and thats fine. but its not necessary to mud sling, and im telling u that i feel disrespected when u use the word prostitue. Now u dont have to listen to me, but were not in a court and im not talking to a lawyer. im asking you to be respectful of the fact that i feel offended with your use of the word. And should u choose not to, then i know for a fact that ALL u r trying to do here, is like u said earlier, ruffle feathers.
Rubes Hun dont worry with Phobun. He is what we LOVE to call assholes, A TROLL...He disgraces my favorite food at that. PHO...Rubes take yer ass get in bet sleep and dont listen to his douchebagness :D

[LilWyte]

isnt phobun that dude that got rejected by an escort

[BLKGSXR]

isnt phobun that dude that got rejected by an escortare you kidding me? no wonder he is mad. lol

[RubyTS]

And just so we're CLEAR! Because it seems u dont know the difference between a prostitute and an escort.

A prostitute trades sex for money

A escort accepts a donation for time and companionship. Sex is never a guarantee

Granted a escort will ALSO have sex with their clients lots of the time, but this site is filed with pornstars and escorts and im sure that im not the only one who takes the term prostitute offensive

Its equal to calling a black person nigger
A spanish person a spick
a guy who posts on hungangels a fag....
u get the point

[phobun]

there u go with the P word again i dont wana get hostile but ur being disrespectful. i asked very kindly that u not use the P word.
I'm not being disrespectful just because you don't like a commonly accepted word to describe what "escorts" do. If a girl is charged with "prostitution" and it made the papers, would she tell the reporter that "i dont wana get hostile but ur being disrespectful. i asked very kindly that u not use the P word." It would be absurd.

Ur saying that its impossible for a guy to wanna be in a relationship with an escort and im just trying to open up ur mind to the possibility.. no scratch that... fact that u are wrong! Because there ARE escorts in functional healthy relationships and i have seen it!
I have seen ghosts.

ur very arrogant. put aside the fact that we are talkin on a forum because when i asked u respectfully not to use the word prostitute its because i can tell the manner in which u were using it was intended to sting. Now im asking again as a person who is having a RESPECTFUL debate with another person, we can agree to disagree and thats fine. but its not necessary to mud sling, and im telling u that i feel disrespected when u use the word prostitue. Now u dont have to listen to me, but were not in a court and im not talking to a lawyer. im asking you to be respectful of the fact that i feel offended with your use of the word. And should u choose not to, then i know for a fact that ALL u r trying to do here, is like u said earlier, ruffle feathers.
You did not ask respectfully. You demanded, then insinuated that you might get hostile. That's not exactly a mature, or effective, means of getting your way. I don't mean to make you angry but I think it is important not to lose your cool and act petulant just because someone does something you don't like.
To get back to the subject of this thread, that of a T-girlfriend, in my very humble opinion, I don't think trading sex for money is a healthy and viable long term option and so I don't think that there are many guys sincerely interested in women that pursue such work. You have a good head on your shoulders and I think you are limiting your potential by not aspiring to greater things in life. You have seen the darker side of the city I'm sure, but with a good heart and brain, you could really make a big difference in peoples' lives!

[RubyTS]

im not gonna get into the many reasons y transgirls escort because i'll be here forever, but life in the so called "real word" is not as easy for trans women as people like to think. Nor is it as profitable as the sex industry. Most of us girls are hot BECAUSE we escort! There is such a high demand for trannies and surgeries dont come cheap. I would never want to be in a relationship with someone who isn't bothered by my work. But im trying to open up ur mind to the fact that there are guys out there who are willling to accept it, and are not losers. Like i said earlier EVERY relationship takes work.

Say for example u meet a girl in a laundromat and u go on a few dates and things get more intimate. u 2 become close after a while and u REALLY like her and she REALLY likes u. And then she breaks the news that she is in the sex industry. She tels u her reasons for doing so, be it paying college, working on her transition or whatever. Now maybe YOU would choose not to pursue a relationship because in ur mind its doomed to fail. You're probably the jealous type or u know u couldnt handle it or whatever, but u really like her. I know lots of guys in that situation who would say hey i dont like what u do and most would say hell no at first, and shy away wind up missing the girl and feel that they will never find another woman like her. So they choose to pursue the relationship because they dont want to think about "What if's?" Theres so many diff scenario's.

I know one girl whos in a happy relationship with a school teacher. HE LOVES this girl, paid for her implants, nose job, trachea shave. Shes not using him, and he worked REALLY hard to get her her surgeries and she loves him very much and shes totally happy. they've been together like 5 yrs already. He doesnt cheat, she escorts from time to time. Heres the kicker, he is YOUNG, he is HOT and he is HUNG from what i hear. This gives me hope that MNAYBE there is someone out there for me

[phobun]

im not gonna get into the many reasons y transgirls escort because i'll be here forever, but life in the so called "real word" is not as easy for trans women as people like to think. Nor is it as profitable as the sex industry. Most of us girls are hot BECAUSE we escort! There is such a high demand for trannies and surgeries dont come cheap. I would never want to be in a relationship with someone who isn't bothered by my work. But im trying to open up ur mind to the fact that there are guys out there who are willling to accept it, and are not losers. Like i said earlier EVERY relationship takes work.

Say for example u meet a girl in a laundromat and u go on a few dates and things get more intimate. u 2 become close after a while and u REALLY like her and she REALLY likes u. And then she breaks the news that she is in the sex industry. She tels u her reasons for doing so, be it paying college, working on her transition or whatever. Now maybe YOU would choose not to pursue a relationship because in ur mind its doomed to fail. You're probably the jealous type or u know u couldnt handle it or whatever, but u really like her. I know lots of guys in that situation who would say hey i dont like what u do and most would say hell no at first, and shy away wind up missing the girl and feel that they will never find another woman like her. So they choose to pursue the relationship because they dont want to think about "What if's?" Theres so many diff scenario's.

I know one girl whos in a happy relationship with a school teacher. HE LOVES this girl, paid for her implants, nose job, trachea shave. Shes not using him, and he worked REALLY hard to get her her surgeries and she loves him very much and shes totally happy. they've been together like 5 yrs already. He doesnt cheat, she escorts from time to time. Heres the kicker, he is YOUNG, he is HOT and he is HUNG from what i hear. This gives me hope that MNAYBE there is someone out there for me
Well of course there is someone out there for you! Probably he's been walking the earth for as long as you have and then one day, bump, you'll meet each other.

Obviously I have my biases, but I will try to keep in mind Atticus Finch's words: "don't judge someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes." And perhaps the path does not matter as much as the end effect. I do not mean to judge you or diminish you, and I am sorry you were upset tonight. I remember a post I think it was you made a while back about your mom. Like I said, I think you have a big heart. My guess is that the future holds big things for you and that you'll put some of your many life experiences to use by making the world a better place...

[RubyTS]

:) OMG did i win??? lol just kidding. Thanx honey. I do expect big things for my future. I can feel it. I feel better now that youve opened ur mind a little bit

[BLKGSXR]

:) OMG did i win??? lol just kidding. Thanx honey. I do expect big things for my future. I can feel it. I feel better now that youve opened ur mind a little bitTHERE CAN BE ONLY ONE-Highlander.

[justatransgirl]

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[gemma58]

I have been living with my transsexual girlfriend in Bangkok for almost 7 months now. We met online and chatted, then I came to visit her during holidays last year. We hit it off and we realized we had strong feelings for eachother. And poof here I am. .
Poof, exactly.
My guess is she has strong feelings for your wallet. Things may continue to go well as long as the money is there.


Bitch . i am he gf and i never think shitty the same u thinks right now . actually i am good than u for sure Dumbass...