Why so shallow?

[GrimFusion]

Feel free to call me Captain Obvious, but I've noticed that outside of escorting, many of the women around here are SUPER FUCKING PICKY about the kind of guys they date, make friends with, invite to parties... hell, even talk to.

Why is that? I don't want to make it sound like I'm spouting off in representation of all the ugly ducks around here, but hanging around HA for the past couple of years, I've come to realize most of the male members are actually pretty damn cool personality-wise.

Tell me if I'm wrong, though. I mean, when it comes to matters as simple as a dude asking for an AIM or as complex as a guy asking to hang out platonically, are looks that big a deal? Do you screen your friends for attractiveness? Sense of style? Severity of body odor? lol.

[ARMANIXXX]

Can you give an example of what you're talking about?

[ironx]

Feel free to call me Captain Obvious, but I've noticed that outside of escorting, many of the women around here are SUPER FUCKING PICKY about the kind of guys they date, make friends with, invite to parties... hell, even talk to.

Why is that? I don't want to make it sound like I'm spouting off in representation of all the ugly ducks around here, but hanging around HA for the past couple of years, I've come to realize most of the male members are actually pretty damn cool personality-wise.

Tell me if I'm wrong, though. I mean, when it comes to matters as simple as a dude asking for an AIM or as complex as a guy asking to hang out platonically, are looks that big a deal? Do you screen your friends for attractiveness? Sense of style? Severity of body odor? lol.

I think I understand what you mean, allthough I do not posses any of the negative features you just listed... :P :P

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Feel free to call me Captain Obvious, but I've noticed that outside of escorting, many of the women around here are SUPER FUCKING PICKY about the kind of guys they date, make friends with, invite to parties... hell, even talk to.

Why is that? I don't want to make it sound like I'm spouting off in representation of all the ugly ducks around here, but hanging around HA for the past couple of years, I've come to realize most of the male members are actually pretty damn cool personality-wise.

Tell me if I'm wrong, though. I mean, when it comes to matters as simple as a dude asking for an AIM or as complex as a guy asking to hang out platonically, are looks that big a deal? Do you screen your friends for attractiveness? Sense of style? Severity of body odor? lol.

Because beggars cant be choosers. LOL ESCORTING is a "business" and the girls need to make their coins to pay their monthly bills..i.e. rent, electricity, phone and internet access, groceries, clothes, make up, nail salon, shoes, hair care etc. Therefore, being picky while working won't generate any girl the "quota" they need for the day/week or month! ;)

Meanwhile, at their leisure time they can be picky with whom to see, date, have coffee with, make friends etc. WHY is this you ask? I'm guessing a lot of girls just want to call the shots (when off work) and have a great time. A great time with CLIENTS rarely ever happens. We all know the types of horrendous men ESCORTS have to deal with on an hourly basis..Old men, sweaty cocks and balls, B.O., smelly feet, communicable skin diseases, halitosis, ultra hairy men, men with bad attitudes, guy's who's MO is to "haggle" the girls from what was agreed upon originally, men trying to swing a free bee by saying they forgot their wallet or ask if they would take a check (that has a negative balance or was closed out previously), and or credit card that's already maxed out to begin with etc. etc. LOL If they don't screen or pick which guy to have good times with (for NSA fun) while off the clock then why even have an off time if they would have to deal with the same types of men? Does that make sense? ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[justatransgirl]

Well, considering a lot of young women, trans or not are rather self centered and picky about who they hang out with or let slide between their legs are you really surprised?

When you were in high school did the cool chicks let you hang out with them? So why should the teenage and 20 something trans porn stars here on HA?

So how do you get cool t-girls to hang out with you? Well you've got to be cool too. That means being NICE! Supportive, understanding, affectionate, financially solvent, friendly, loving and a friend. (It doesn't mean allowing yourself to be taken advantage of by a gold digger.)

And really - very few guys and t-girls form LTR relationships or friendships from internet contacts. Expecting such just isn't reality I'm sorry to say.

Now as for myself, my only standard is the gold standard, bring me enough gold and I don't care what you look (or smell) like... :-)

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[GrimFusion]

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Well, considering a lot of young women, trans or not are rather self centered and pick about who they hang out with or let slide between their legs are you really surprised?

When you were in high school did the cool chicks let you hang out with them? So why should the teenage and 20 something trans porn stars here on HA?

Now as for myself, my only standard is the gold standard, bring me enough gold and I don't care what you look like... unless you smell... :-)

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

You act like I was a social misfit back in high school. I was one of the stoners, but I was one of the few people who broke out of the cliques and passed from group to group freely. I don't think my situation applies well to this topic, but I can still see where you're going with this.

I don't necessarily mean JUST the working gurls either. I know I typed "outside of escorting", but I didn't mean during off-hours. I meant ladies that just aren't into that.

I agree that none of this has anything to do with TGs and TGs alone. A lot of GGs are the same way. I just see it a bit more with TGs.

Personally, I think it has to do with fashion and the lengths a lady has to go to achieve femininity. I can understand that transitioning takes a lot of money, patience, and will power and coming out of something like that and looking back, I'm sure most couldn't help but think "I put a lot of effort into myself, so I deserve some eye candy".

Where does that leave the honest joe-shmoe who doesn't fit into the "tranny chaser" mold, isn't all about sexual attraction, is just looking to make friends or strike up a relationship, but isn't naturally blessed with the features of Brad Pitt? There are all these women out there looking for "Mr. Right" and ending up with modelesque male-pigs. I just can't help but think that this is the kind of situation which lead to Camilla Castro's death.

[GrimFusion]

Feel free to call me Captain Obvious, but I've noticed that outside of escorting, many of the women around here are SUPER FUCKING PICKY about the kind of guys they date, make friends with, invite to parties... hell, even talk to.

Why is that? I don't want to make it sound like I'm spouting off in representation of all the ugly ducks around here, but hanging around HA for the past couple of years, I've come to realize most of the male members are actually pretty damn cool personality-wise.

Tell me if I'm wrong, though. I mean, when it comes to matters as simple as a dude asking for an AIM or as complex as a guy asking to hang out platonically, are looks that big a deal? Do you screen your friends for attractiveness? Sense of style? Severity of body odor? lol.

Because beggars cant be choosers. LOL ESCORTING is a "business" and the girls need to make their coins to pay their monthly bills..i.e. rent, electricity, phone and internet access, groceries, clothes, make up, nail salon, shoes, hair care etc. Therefore, being picky while working won't generate any girl the "quota" they need for the day/week or month! ;)

Meanwhile, at their leisure time they can be picky with whom to see, date, have coffee with, make friends etc. WHY is this you ask? I'm guessing a lot of girls just want to call the shots (when off work) and have a great time. A great time with CLIENTS rarely ever happens. We all know the types of horrendous men ESCORTS have to deal with on an hourly basis..Old men, sweaty cocks and balls, B.O., smelly feet, communicable skin diseases, halitosis, ultra hairy men, men with bad attitudes, guy's who's MO is to "haggle" the girls from what was agreed upon originally, men trying to swing a free bee by saying they forgot their wallet or ask if they would take a check (that has a negative balance or was closed out previously), and or credit card that's already maxed out to begin with etc. etc. LOL If they don't screen or pick which guy to have good times with (for NSA fun) while off the clock then why even have an off time if they would have to deal with the same types of men? Does that make sense? ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

Yeah, it makes sense. I just have problems understanding what determines a guy attractive enough to be easy to deal with. I mean, you make it sound like the only assholes in the world are all ugly as hell. Why have sex or sexual attraction be a quotient at all when a chick selects guys worth talking to, hanging out with, or befriending? As far as logic is concerned, I'd think they'd do just the opposite, since attractive men are usually far more high maintenance and high drama than average dudes. You'd think that going to a club with an average dude on your arm would just make you look better. I mean, am I totally off the right track here?

[Bluejay]

You not getting a hot Hunangel has something to do with Camilia d'Castro's death?!

Please explain?

[justatransgirl]

Sweetie - can you READ the first line in my post you quoted below?

Now please go back and read my complete post...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

PS - Not picking on you personally honey, just posting while DUI... besides shouldn't you be kissing ass to Kelly right now about her pictures... :-) :-) LOL

PS - I'd do you.



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Well, considering a lot of young women, trans or not are rather self centered and pick about who they hang out with or let slide between their legs are you really surprised?

When you were in high school did the cool chicks let you hang out with them? So why should the teenage and 20 something trans porn stars here on HA?

Now as for myself, my only standard is the gold standard, bring me enough gold and I don't care what you look like... unless you smell... :-)

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

You act like I was a social misfit back in high school. I was one of the stoners, but I was one of the few people who broke out of the cliques and passed from group to group freely. I don't think my situation applies well to this topic, but I can still see where you're going with this.

I don't necessarily mean JUST the working gurls either. I know I typed "outside of escorting", but I didn't mean during off-hours. I meant ladies that just aren't into that.

I agree that none of this has anything to do with TGs and TGs alone. A lot of GGs are the same way. I just see it a bit more with TGs.

Personally, I think it has to do with fashion and the lengths a lady has to go to achieve femininity. I can understand that transitioning takes a lot of money, patience, and will power and coming out of something like that and looking back, I'm sure most couldn't help but think "I put a lot of effort into myself, so I deserve some eye candy".

Where does that leave the honest joe-shmoe who doesn't fit into the "tranny chaser" mold, isn't all about sexual attraction, is just looking to make friends or strike up a relationship, but isn't naturally blessed with the features of Brad Pitt? There are all these women out there looking for "Mr. Right" and ending up with modelesque male-pigs. I just can't help but think that this is the kind of situation which lead to Camilla Castro's death.

[justatransgirl]

You act like I was a social misfit back in high school. I was one of the stoners, but I was one of the few people who broke out of the cliques and passed from group to group freely. I don't think my situation applies well to this topic, but I can still see where you're going with this.

I don't necessarily mean JUST the working gurls either. I know I typed "outside of escorting", but I didn't mean during off-hours. I meant ladies that just aren't into that.

I agree that none of this has anything to do with TGs and TGs alone. A lot of GGs are the same way. I just see it a bit more with TGs.

Personally, I think it has to do with fashion and the lengths a lady has to go to achieve femininity. I can understand that transitioning takes a lot of money, patience, and will power and coming out of something like that and looking back, I'm sure most couldn't help but think "I put a lot of effort into myself, so I deserve some eye candy".

Where does that leave the honest joe-shmoe who doesn't fit into the "tranny chaser" mold, isn't all about sexual attraction, is just looking to make friends or strike up a relationship, but isn't naturally blessed with the features of Brad Pitt? There are all these women out there looking for "Mr. Right" and ending up with modelesque male-pigs. I just can't help but think that this is the kind of situation which lead to Camilla Castro's death.

Oh and while I'm here...

You are absolutely right honey. T-girls are narcissict bitches who are in love with themselves and your money...

And sadly the honest Joe often doesn't get a chance. How is his blue collar job going to compare with her six figure income? And if you are talking non escort, non-porn star "real" TS - who doesn't look like a truck driver - the pickings are slim.

So you either lower your standards and find a nice girl who will love you even if you aren't Brad Pitt. Or you move to Hollywood, get a house in Malibu and a porsche and plastic surgery until you DO look like Brad and find a shallow gold digging bitch - like most hollywood sorts end up with...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

Please excuse me while I mix another drink... or slit my wrists... :-)

[GrimFusion]

You not getting a hot Hunangel has something to do with Camilia d'Castro's death?!

Please explain?

None of this conversation has anything to do with me. It's just a trend I've noticed. I'm in NO WAY trying to disrespect Camilla. I was just bringing her up as a means to support my argument. She leaped off the top of a building because despite looking, she couldn't find anyone she felt genuinely loved her. Sure, it may be an assumption, but I suggest that perhaps she wasn't looking in the right place and simply expected too much out of a dude.

It doesn't have to be about relationships or lovey-dovey bull shit, though. I just notice that most TGs downright don't have anything to do with average-looking men outside of escorting and I don't think that having to deal with less-than-desirable dudes while running tricks has much to do with it.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Yeah, it makes sense. I just have problems understanding what determines a guy attractive enough to be easy to deal with.

It all boils down to one's preference I suppose since beauty is subjective. ;)


I mean, you make it sound like the only assholes in the world are all ugly as hell.

On the contrary. I actually didn't mean it like that. I have met lesser attractive men who are extremely nice and are perfect gentlemen. :P But making it to my bed is a different story! LOL


Why have sex or sexual attraction be a quotient at all when a chick selects guys worth talking to, hanging out with, or befriending?

I don't personally get that either. I had guy friends whom I didn't find attractive also. But the thing is..sometimes they are damn too slow to get it! That I am NOT into them and only wants us to be good friends.


As far as logic is concerned, I'd think they'd do just the opposite, since attractive men are usually far more high maintenance and high drama than average dudes. You'd think that going to a club with an average dude on your arm would just make you look better. I mean, am I totally off the right track here?

If women and tgirls are "wise" and would follow "logic" everyone would be dating ugly/undesirable men but one who can take care of them and offer financial security. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[GrimFusion]

Oh and while I'm here...

You are absolutely right honey. T-girls are narcissict bitches who are in love with themselves and your money...

And sadly the honest Joe often doesn't get a chance. How is his blue collar job going to compare with her six figure income? And if you are talking non escort, non-porn star "real" TS - who doesn't look like a truck driver - the pickings are slim.

So you either lower your standards and find a nice girl who will love you even if you aren't Brad Pitt. Or you move to Hollywood, get a house in Malibu and a porsche and plastic surgery until you DO look like Brad and find a shallow gold digging bitch - like most hollywood sorts end up with...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

Please excuse me while I mix another drink... or slit my wrists... :-)

WOW. That is the kind of honesty I like. I wish everyone were that blunt. I think that was the answer I was searching for. I know it's pretty Captain Obvious shit, but nobody ever has the guts to actually lay it out on the table like that and because the topic is a bit taboo, it lead me to thinking that it might just be some OTHER reason.

That's kinda upsetting, really. I've never thought of myself being the type of guy who'd shell out for sex, but now I kinda realize that because I do fall into that blue collar, average group of guys; it's either throw down some cash and unrealistically hope that an escort sees something in me she hasn't seen in the 20-some guys before me that day, or just put up with the fact that my interests, no matter what their intentions, are going to go on completely undiscovered.

That's kinda depressing. lol.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

And if you are talking non escort, non-porn star "real" TS - who doesn't look like a truck driver - the pickings are slim.

So you either lower your standards

This pretty much sums it up! but Ive to add..

So you either lower your standards (accept her for everything that she is including flaws) or settle for a ts that looks like a truck driver. LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[MrsKellyPierce]

cause I am

[GrimFusion]

cause I am

Good answer! Pfft! You're such a dildo. lol.

[MrsKellyPierce]

hehe hee

[submisboi]

here's the thing see, they take their clothes off in front of the whole world, so they obviously have alot of fans. if they were to be friends with all of them then they would have no time to take their clothes of for us.

[mimiplastique]

here's the thing see, they take their clothes off in front of the whole world, so they obviously have alot of fans. if they were to be friends with all of them then they would have no time to take their clothes of for us.
SO TRUE!!!!
but at the same time just like every man had a dream girl so do us tgirls i mean you guys are very picky over who you will date too i would give an example but i do not want to stir up any hard feeling s

[GrimFusion]

here's the thing see, they take their clothes off in front of the whole world, so they obviously have alot of fans. if they were to be friends with all of them then they would have no time to take their clothes of for us.
SO TRUE!!!!
but at the same time just like every man had a dream girl so do us tgirls i mean you guys are very picky over who you will date too i would give an example but i do not want to stir up any hard feeling s

I don't think I'm an exception here... and I'm not very picky. My ex and I lasted two years and I told her right from the start that had we not been friends for 3 years before our relationship, I would have NEVER approached her about it. I wasn't attracted to her and our likes, opinions, hobbies, and beliefs were total opposite to each other. Contradictory to that, we had a long, good relationship. Not because I coward the whole time, but because she grew on me and I learned to love her despite our differences. We broke up because she moved away. If she ever moves back, I'm sure we'll at least attempt getting back together.

My point is that while you seem to be proclaiming that you're shallow and have every right to be (I'm not saying it's wrong or that you don't have the right, mind you), you're balancing the argument by saying all of us are equally as shallow. See the fallacy here?

[KiraHarden]

Let me get this right. A guy can have his standards and the type of girl he wants to date, but a TS shouldn't have that option. I've noticed that most guys that approach A TS woman think we should be happy they are even talking to us. Are we not allowed standards(what we are attracted too) like GG or you MEN

Sorry to break this to you guys , I would rather die alone than settle for, and have to be with someone I have no attraction to mentally, physically or have a emotional connection with.

THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME SHALLOW.

PS I must add that I see how you guys like TS woman because we are more feminine, dress sexier than GG, well maybe Some of you guys should try being more MASCULINE and caring about how you look and present yourself as well... HINT HINT HINT!

[ironx]

Let me get this right. A guy can have his standards and the type of girl he wants to date, but a TS shouldn't have that option. I've noticed that most guys that approach A TS woman think we should be happy they are even talking to us. Are we not allowed standards(what we are attracted too) like GG or you MEN

Sorry to break this to you guys , I would rather die alone than settle for, and have to be with someone I have no attraction to mentally, physically or have a emotional connection with.

THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME SHALLOW.

Hmmm If you're a good looking TS the problem for most guys is the competition... besides a lot of TS being working girls out of need for sure... I think it is the other way around.. I'm very happy that a TS will talk to me and take me seriously without prejidous (spellll) cause there's just not enough of you...

Another problem.. most of us (i guess) lead "straight heterosexual" lifes.. coming out for the fact that you have no problem with your Girl having a penis.. makes most ignorant people think your gay...

I'm absolutely not Gay, but i don't mind a penis on a good looking woman.. for fuck sake i've got one meself... what's not to like.. But i need feminine touches, not just boobs but character and looks..

Fuck this is getting way to long.. signing of on this one..

ciao Baby... :P

[lust4ts]

It works both ways man, finding someone sexually attractive and thinking someone is a cool person are very separate things.

It does seem to me like guys can berate the so called "less good looking girls" but when a girl says a guy is not her type it is seen as shallow!

[tsntx]

oh puh-lease!!!!!!!!! if we were ugly beasts some of you cock hungry homos wouldnt even try to get to know us personally unless we had cock shots posted... i hate when guys think its ok for him to have friends outside and above his league but its totally wrong for a girl to not want guys that are below hers... as far as shes concerned

[tsntx]

Let me get this right. A guy can have his standards and the type of girl he wants to date, but a TS shouldn't have that option. I've noticed that most guys that approach A TS woman think we should be happy they are even talking to us. Are we not allowed standards(what we are attracted too) like GG or you MEN

Sorry to break this to you guys , I would rather die alone than settle for, and have to be with someone I have no attraction to mentally, physically or have a emotional connection with.

THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME SHALLOW.

PS I must add that I see how you guys like TS woman because we are more feminine, dress sexier than GG, well maybe Some of you guys should try being more MASCULINE and caring about how you look and present yourself as well... HINT HINT HINT!


fucking co-sign... i just kinda said the same thing but still totally agree :D -j