We don't need to know.................................

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

A few things.............................

WE don't need to know the following:
Where you went to school
What clothing you buy mainly
What nationalities you're mixed with
Your dislike of certain sexual things some men prefer to do to you that pays your bills monthly
Your dislike of a particular nationality
How much weight you lost by trying a new bullshit diet
How you lost a high paying client because you chose the good looking client
Your dislike of men with weaker penises
Your dislike of men with larger penises
Your dislike of women with large penis strap-ons
Your dislike of another person's attire forgetting your small closet when you began transitioning and how it wasn't the best
Your war stories that resulted in you having a shitty (pun intended) client
How chick [a] said something to chick [b] offline which needed to be put online for dramatic effect hours later


All we need to know since we are all [dogs] is how much, how long, and are you any good?
:shrug


JWBL™

[Tomfurbs]

JWBL said:

'We don't need to know ... Where you went to school '

I always find this funny: girls are always talking about how they are either 'are in/going to/ or saving up to'/ go to college, as if university is this massive big saviour in the sky. Trust me, a degree means shit. None of my friends who graduated with me are pulling in any major monies. The ones who are doing well got there thanks to the character traits they had before uni.

All I got out of university was £15,000 worth of debt (at 4.75% interest) and an Honours degree no-one gives a crap about. I have friends who went straight from HS to work and are saving up for their first home while I'm playing catch-up. Stick with the three figure escorting - you'll be taking early retirement while I'll still be working into my 80's.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

hey tom, i have to agree, every class was bullshit, all of it save 2 or 3 were mainly hours I paid for to get a piece of paper.....................

[trannybanger]

A few things.............................

WE don't need to know the following:
[list]Where you went to school
:shrug


JWBL™

The most hilarious part of this, is the girls that give their information about where they attended college, do it with such poor grammar and sentence structure that it is beyond difficult to believe.

[Tomfurbs]

hey tom, i have to agree, every class was bullshit, all of it save 2 or 3 were mainly hours I paid for to get a piece of paper.....................

Totally...
it is a bit more worrying when it is girls in their late 20's early 30's who are talking of going to college for the first time and you're thinking 'please don't, you'll waste 3/4 years to come out the other side ten years behind everyone else. If you are not studying a vocational course (make-up, hair styling lol) than save yourself some cash and leave college alone. Employers think graduates have just spent their time getting wasted anyway'

End rant

[whatislove]

I have a friend who didn't start college till after 30... She's a professor at a University now. Decent $, time to write, full insurance, tenure... it could be worse. First class she took was remedial English (before 1A) now she be a English professor!

College is not one size fits all, but it's not cool completely blow off the one factor that best correlates with increased income, once you normalize for background.

[BrendaQG]

:-( that list contains 90% of what is interesting to us girls about this board.

Things no other transsexual wants to know about another.
How much
How long
and how good they are at it.

(yet some girls brag about those things and how big of a cock they can take in their mouth/ass.)

@Tomfurbs
I agree so much with that that I could have written it myself. So many t-girls make college out to be a big deal. Especially those who did not go. They think that a college degree will magically change their life. As if being educated cancels out bigotry, and they give it this mythical status. The ol sheepskin becomes the golden fleece in their minds. It breaks my heart to disabuse some young girl of that notion when I inform them of how educated I am and what I still have to do for money.

[Oli]

http://www.statefarm.com/_images/earn_graph.gif

• Higher levels of education lead to higher earnings. Over a working life, the typical full-time year-round worker with a four-year college degree earns more than 60 percent more than a worker with only a high school diploma.
• Those with master’s degrees earn almost twice as much per year, and those with professional degrees earn almost three times as much as high school graduates earn over their working lives.
• Median lifetime earnings for the typical individual with some college but no degree are 19 percent higher than median lifetime earnings for high school graduates with no college experience.
• The typical college graduate who enrolls at age 18 and graduates in four years earns enough in 11 years to not only compensate for borrowing to pay the full tuition at a public college, but also to make up for wages forgone while in college.
• College-educated workers are more likely than others to be offered pension plans. Among those who are offered pension plans, college degree-holders are more likely to participate.

[Tomfurbs]

Actually, having some college education is now the norm... therefore, the playingfield has been leveled. I am just speaking from experience. Those who have been to college are sweating away with loans, overdrafts and crappy £. Those I know who never bothered with uni are definitely in a better situation.
Everything could change in 10 years time, but frankly I think University is definitely over-hyped. Yes if you want to be a college prof then it is a requirement, but that is a very limited market anyway.

And yes I agree Brenda

[Ecstatic]

Oli, your chart is rather misleading as it implies that a professional degree is the highest degree on an ascending academic scale. Such is not the case. Professional degree programs are designed for successful preparation of a professional career, and typically a professional degree earned at the graduate level is conferred as either a master's degree or a doctorate, but may also be conferred as an undergraduate depending on the field and the program. Professional degrees include law, medicine, engineering, and architecture, among others. There is a wide distribution of subsequent income depending upon in which field the professional degree is earned.

Thus, one may earn a professional master's degree in engineering, as opposed to a doctoral degree in English; in academic terms, the doctorate is the higher degree, but it does not in and of itself prepare one for a specific profession. The professional degree does not represent a higher level of education, only a more specialized field of professional preparation as reflected in the degree.

I earned my master's in English with a 4.0 GPA and a fellowship, taught college English for ten years, and now make 3x as much income as a webmaster as I ever did as an English teacher. But I don't regret my education a whit; it's an invaluable part of who I am. However, I am very glad that I completed my master's before college prices went through the roof, almost 25 years ago. The income to expense ratio today is worse by several factors than it was then.

[Oli]

Ecstatic, the graph is poorly titled, it was meant as an average of earnings across the various final educational level achieved.

[Oli]

Actually, having some college education is now the norm... therefore, the playingfield has been leveled. I am just speaking from experience. Those who have been to college are sweating away with loans, overdrafts and crappy £. Those I know who never bothered with uni are definitely in a better situation.
Everything could change in 10 years time, but frankly I think University is definitely over-hyped. Yes if you want to be a college prof then it is a requirement, but that is a very limited market anyway.

And yes I agree Brenda

Tom that may be true now, but in ten years those without a degree will find their options limited as they move up in the corporate world. A degree becomes essential to move into middle and upper management in larger companies. Advanced degrees are almost a necessity to advance beyond middle management.

In the near term, I can understand your belief that those w/o a degree aren't saddled with the loans for their education, and are earning an equal salary to those who have one. That will not be the case down the road.

Remember, India and China are graduating more people every year, and they are competing for the same jobs you and your friends are.

[biguy4tvtscd]

While going to college in itself will usually help after graduation, the degree you earn is the most important part.

Most employers value a degree (any degree) over none, because it displays two things..
1) you gave enough of a shit about your education to continue it beyond the mandatory 12th grade
2) you have the potential to learn the job at hand in a timely and competent manner.

However, the degree you earn most certainly has a large effect on whether the "big money" comes rolling in after graduation.

If you leave college with a degree in English Lit, chances are slim you'll ever earn anything comparable to someone with an Engineering degree.

Also, you've got to be careful you don't get caught in the supply/demand cycle of degrees.
Traditionally, college degrees go in waves. For example...in the early-mid 90's, people with computer related degrees commanded whatever salary they wanted. Word got out, and everyone and their brother enrolled in a computer related degree. The market got flooded with computer techs, and thus the salaries got pushed downward. As salaries dropped, so did the number of those enrolled. As the number of graduates drops, the salaries once again rise. And so the cycle starts all over again.

[Ecstatic]

Ecstatic, the graph is poorly titled, it was meant as an average of earnings across the various final educational level achieved.
True, but "professional degree" is not an educational level in the same sense that the other categories are. Professional degrees can be conferred at any collegiate level: undergrad, master's, doctorate. It's apples and oranges. And I mistrust lumping all professional degrees together for an average for two reasons: 1) the fields are extremely diverse and distinct, so the average really is meaningless (e.g., the average accountant does not earn the same rate as the average corporate lawyer), and 2) we do not know which professions are included and which excluded (the assumption being that all professional degrees are included, but without specificity, this is purely assumption).

It is true, however, that if earning potential is your primary goal, you should seek a degree in the profession of your choice.

[peggygee]

A transwomen without an education will find her options severely limited.

To further complicate that, if she has no work history, her options again
are severely limited.

With an education, a work history, and the ability to pass, a transwoman
should be able to assimilate into mainstream society, if she so desires.

[SarahG]

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[TJ347]

A transwomen without an education will find her options severely limited.

To further complicate that, if she has no work history, her options again
are severely limited.

With an education, a work history, and the ability to pass, a transwoman
should be able to assimilate into mainstream society, if she so desires.

It would seem though that quick cash options are all most find interesting, despite the fact what you've said is undeniable. I sure do hope people are putting dough away for a rainy day, but we all know full well that a stash of a couple grand isn't going to go far towards financing your lifestyle in old age... and so one can only assume most plan to die early, rather than live on Alpo at the local mission.

I know several linemen who work every day making good money, but for mishandling their money years ago can't afford to retire now, though they find the physical nature of their jobs increasingly difficult. Not a good place to be in your late 50s/early 60s... But at least they've got some kind of 401K. Which makes me wonder how much worse things generally are for people without one, who similarly don't have much in the way of savings. What options are there for someone in that position?

[youcancallmeclaire]

That's great and all, but how about some naked pictures?

[TJ347]

That's great and all, but how about some naked pictures?

Okay then... After which point I trust we can resume the original topic of the thread, yes?

[peggygee]

A transwomen without an education will find her options severely limited.

To further complicate that, if she has no work history, her options again
are severely limited.

With an education, a work history, and the ability to pass, a transwoman
should be able to assimilate into mainstream society, if she so desires.

It would seem though that quick cash options are all most find interesting, despite the fact what you've said is undeniable. I sure do hope people are putting dough away for a rainy day, but we all know full well that a stash of a couple grand isn't going to go far towards financing your lifestyle in old age... and so one can only assume most plan to die early, rather than live on Alpo at the local mission.

I know several linemen who work every day making good money, but for mishandling their money years ago can't afford to retire now, though they find the physical nature of their jobs increasingly difficult. Not a good place to be in your late 50s/early 60s... But at least they've got some kind of 401K. Which makes me wonder how much worse things generally are for people without one, who similarly don't have much in the way of savings. What options are there for someone in that position?

I've always thought it would be great if the girls could do an online
degree, or otherwise return to school as they have very flexible
schedules.

But you're right about occupations like construction and the like, they're
for the young. And if you haven't a pension plan with a union, 401K,
you're between the rock and the hard place.

So good financial planning is important for all of us.

[youcancallmeclaire]

That's great and all, but how about some naked pictures?

Okay then... After which point I trust we can resume the original topic of the thread, yes?

I guess..

*kicks a tin can*



I think this thread took on a life of its own long before I asked for nudes.

[BrendaQG]

Peggy I agree in principle that what you say should be possible.

But for many reasons things just don't work out that way all the time. Getting a job is a two person thing. You have to look and then someone has to say yes. The transsexual thing may be too much for many people. Especially those who have closed minds or are very "conservative". Then there is the creeping bit of sexism that is only ok to apply to transsexuals these days. You know the stereotypes regarding what jobs a transsexual is fit for.

[peggygee]

A transwomen without an education will find her options severely limited.

To further complicate that, if she has no work history, her options again
are severely limited.

With an education, a work history, and the ability to pass, a transwoman
should be able to assimilate into mainstream society, if she so desires.





Peggy I agree in principle that what you say should be possible.

But for many reasons things just don't work out that way all the time. Getting a job is a two person thing. You have to look and then someone has to say yes.

The transsexual thing may be too much for many people. Especially those who have closed minds or are very "conservative". Then there is the creeping bit of sexism that is only ok to apply to transsexuals these days. You know the stereotypes regarding what jobs a transsexual is fit for.

When I am referring to a woman passing, I don't just mean that she won't
get clocked, but also that her documentation is congruent to how she
presents.

I would say the vast majority of women on this forum pass from their
photos, I don't about voice or other characteristics, but I still would say
the majority.

But I get the sense that many, I would daresay the majority don't have
their documents in order.

Yes the transsexual issue rears it's ugly head if you are applying for a job
as Eve, but your ID says Steve.

And I do realize that all states won't change your gender designation w/o
the SRS but at least they will change the name.

Thus if a person has the education, a work history (which many women
in the industry for a long period of time will not have), and close to
proper identification, they may get the job.

Here is a link to have documentation changed:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=11147&highlight=identification

[justatransgirl]

Regarding Oli's Chart -

I hope you don't mind but I made a few modifications...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[trannybanger]

Regarding Oli's Chart -

I hope you don't mind but I made a few modifications...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

Honestly I find it hard to believe that those numbers are anywhere near reality for most girls turning tricks. To make that kind of money, at the average of $200 a session, a girl would have to see at least 15 clients a week and take no vacation. Is this realistic?

[TsVanessa69]

Regarding Oli's Chart -

I hope you don't mind but I made a few modifications...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)
I love it!! Very true. I know a few TS who went to college or are in college. They are all broke. As my one girlfriend said. The business world is not ready for a trans woman. However this thread has some valid points. Getting the ID change. Some girls think they don't need it, they do. We ALL do. The voice. yep even to an extent I have the voice issue. But I know to "adjust" it to a higher pitchin certain situations. On the phone it goes either way as my voice is inbetween. Most people on the phone address me as miss. Now with the name change they automatically call you miss. Onr thing i must say , Just because you are a transexual, do not think that you are esorting material. thats not always the cae. See this is a real job and required alot of skill. Its not as easy as some of you guys and even girls think. maybe we should have a degree in Escorting! :wink:

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I know 2 transsexual MtoF's that are in the business world and are very successful, one of them is not passable at all, while the other is. IMO it depends on the company and how much an individual brings in, because the non passable tranny is pulling 6 figures annually.

[BBaggins06]

Regarding Oli's Chart -

I hope you don't mind but I made a few modifications...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

Honestly I find it hard to believe that those numbers are anywhere near reality for most girls turning tricks. To make that kind of money, at the average of $200 a session, a girl would have to see at least 15 clients a week and take no vacation. Is this realistic?

Another thing about Jamie's column, don't forget most, if not all, is untaxed so even just $100K is worth $150K or more depending on the tax rates where they live. :) Mahalo

Matt

[BrendaQG]

Vanessa is so so right. I never intended to give anyone the idea that being a call girl was "easy". However these days anyone with a library card, cell phone, and a digital picture of themselves can put an ad on craigslist and, if they have the right look, make money. Even if it's just several hundred a week.

Though that is not "easy", it is not as difficult as becoming say...an accountant or a lawyer. One can advertise as an accountant or a lawyer but that does not make them one.

Then even if someone puts in the effort to become such a professional the money they will make may not even be that great compared to a good (not ever great just good) escort.

[trannybanger]

I know 2 transsexual MtoF's that are in the business world and are very successful, one of them is not passable at all, while the other is. IMO it depends on the company and how much an individual brings in, because the non passable tranny is pulling 6 figures annually.

This is the bottom line. Especially if we are talking about a 100% capitalist country like the US, money is the driving force. If you can make things happen and bring in the cash, you will find a way. This all becomes about focus and individual tenacity, and most could care less what gender you believe you are.

[trannybanger]

Regarding Oli's Chart -

I hope you don't mind but I made a few modifications...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

Honestly I find it hard to believe that those numbers are anywhere near reality for most girls turning tricks. To make that kind of money, at the average of $200 a session, a girl would have to see at least 15 clients a week and take no vacation. Is this realistic?

Another thing about Jamie's column, don't forget most, if not all, is untaxed so even just $100K is worth $150K or more depending on the tax rates where they live. :) Mahalo

Matt

All though it was stated as income, not value, I made that calculation. But even in that case do you really think most of these girls are doing even seeing a minimum of 10 clients per week, average of two every day? It is already a very difficult career path and I am being realistic here. There are not very many of these girls living in great apartments in Manhattan or beautiful homes elsewhere and driving new luxury vehicles... and that doen't mean they all have a large stake in :google instead. I know this from true experiences, but it may not be something any ladies readily want to cop to.

[TsVanessa69]

Funny fact. With the graph posted, the original unedited Jamie's version, in a slow year my income matched that of one with a Bachelors degree. And I never set foot in college. I finished high school and am a beauty school drop-out. Street smarts sometimes out weigh book smarts.

[TJ347]

While there are no doubt a number of escorts, TS, GG and male who make considerable dough for their troubles, tax free no less, I believe you'd be hard pressed to find many who despite years of making said "mountains of cash" have much to show for themselves later on.

I'm going on observations I've personally made, mind you. You know as well as I do if you've ever known an escort that an apartment filled with the latest fashions is the norm, and damn near every dime after rent is paid is spent on clothes, bags, shoes, etc. So, where're the savings for all the dough coming in? Exactly... It's one thing to have dreams of what you're going to do at some distant point in the future when you stop escorting, but the reality ultimately is very, very different I'm sure for the overwhelming majority.

[TsVanessa69]

Regarding Oli's Chart -

I hope you don't mind but I made a few modifications...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

Honestly I find it hard to believe that those numbers are anywhere near reality for most girls turning tricks. To make that kind of money, at the average of $200 a session, a girl would have to see at least 15 clients a week and take no vacation. Is this realistic?

Another thing about Jamie's column, don't forget most, if not all, is untaxed so even just $100K is worth $150K or more depending on the tax rates where they live. :) Mahalo

Matt

All though it was stated as income, not value, I made that calculation. But even in that case do you really think most of these girls are doing even seeing a minimum of 10 clients per week, average of two every day? It is already a very difficult career path and I am being realistic here. There are not very many of these girls living in great apartments in Manhattan or beautiful homes elsewhere and driving new luxury vehicles... and that doen't mean they all have a large stake in :google instead. I know this from true experiences, but it may not be something any ladies readily want to cop to. Good point. Here in Chicago, I see typically only 3 clients a week, sometimes up to 5 or 6. Now I also have other sources of income such as webcam, phone chat and drag shows. Now I did just leave NY where I honestly did turn 2 clients a day, being I was a visiting girl I averaged $250 a client, a few guys were even more generous. Girls who travel can make good money even after deducting hotel, airfair etc. Some girls do stretch the truth to impress people. But look at where they live and how they maintain, that speaks more than girl talk.

[trannybanger]

All though it was stated as income, not value, I made that calculation. But even in that case do you really think most of these girls are doing even seeing a minimum of 10 clients per week, average of two every day? It is already a very difficult career path and I am being realistic here. There are not very many of these girls living in great apartments in Manhattan or beautiful homes elsewhere and driving new luxury vehicles... and that doen't mean they all have a large stake in :google instead. I know this from true experiences, but it may not be something any ladies readily want to cop to.

Good point. Here in Chicago, I see typically only 3 clients a week, sometimes up to 5 or 6. Now I also have other sources of income such as webcam, phone chat and drag shows. Now I did just leave NY where I honestly did turn 2 clients a day, being I was a visiting girl I averaged $250 a client, a few guys were even more generous. Girls who travel can make good money even after deducting hotel, airfair etc. Some girls do stretch the truth to impress people. But look at where they live and how they maintain, that speaks more than girl talk.

PROPS for honesty

[BrendaQG]

While there are no doubt a number of escorts, TS, GG and male who make considerable dough for their troubles, tax free no less, I believe you'd be hard pressed to find many who despite years of making said "mountains of cash" have much to show for themselves later on.

I'm going on observations I've personally made, mind you. You know as well as I do if you've ever known an escort that an apartment filled with the latest fashions is the norm, and damn near every dime after rent is paid is spent on clothes, bags, shoes, etc. So, where're the savings for all the dough coming in? Exactly... It's one thing to have dreams of what you're going to do at some distant point in the future when you stop escorting, but the reality ultimately is very, very different I'm sure for the overwhelming majority.

True. Many young women are not so motivated to save. At times the money from escorting seems like it would never stop. Especially when you are very young...and it takes allot less money to impress you. (think of being 10 and having $40...or 16/17 and having a few hundred)

College kids are the same way though. The difference is that they get to spend money the have not even made yet. I'm not talking about educational loans. Credit cards. Someone who attends a ivory league university in a degree program with a high paying slary can get credit cards with no job. Cards with very very high limits (10-20 thousand dollars). I know of people who have credit card debts in the tens of thousands. Graduate students can get in even more trouble. Grad school does not leave much time for work unrelated to your degree. Thus even with a scholarship, and Teaching courses, loans are needed.

That is really where going to college bites you. Not in making less money but having to pay off debts.

Totaling up all my debts I am in the hole to the tune of $120,000. I could make $78,000 a year at a good job and still technically be worse off than a escort who only made say.... (250*2*52=) 26,000/year. Simply because the escort does not have the debts to service. After paying her bills she has plenty of money!

[trannybanger]

Totaling up all my debts I am in the hole to the tune of $120,000. I could make $78,000 a year at a good job and still technically be worse off than a escort who only made say.... (250*2*52=) 26,000/year. Simply because the escort does not have the debts to service. After paying her bills she has plenty of money!

I am not going to name names.... but..... someone should DEFINITELY become a motivational speaker.