What is rape?

[JamesHunt]

Thought provoking question.

David Cameron (conservative party leader in UK)is on a crusade at the mo, to save girls from being raped, and lock up more rapists. But what is rape. You've dated a girl a few months. It finally happens, she's a bit tipsy, and you fuck her in the heat of the moment, it's all consenting at the time of the act. But she wakes up in the morning, and you have a big fuck off argument, and you dump her, next thing you know, she's on the rape trail. How many guys are serving time cos of this scenario.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I don't fuck chicks that are high or drunk at the time we are hanging out, always been a rule of mine. Some of the best sex I ever had was 2 days after a chick I'd been partying with figured out I took her home, placed her on her couch, then walked out locking the door behind me.

My point: if a chick has to get blasted or high to have sex with you IMO she's not really into you. I'm sure this sounds weird to alot of people but it is my opinion.

[dan_drade]

Not a chance in hell that is rape.

[dan_drade]

I don't fuck chicks that are high or drunk at the time we are hanging out, always been a rule of mine. Some of the best sex I ever had was 2 days after a chick I'd been partying with figured out I took her home, placed her on her couch, then walked out locking the door behind me.

My point: if a chick has to get blasted or high to have sex with you IMO she's not really into you. I'm sure this sounds weird to alot of people but it is my opinion.

Holy shit!!!!!! That means a girl has never been into me LOL.

[Oli]

I don't fuck chicks that are high or drunk at the time we are hanging out, always been a rule of mine. Some of the best sex I ever had was 2 days after a chick I'd been partying with figured out I took her home, placed her on her couch, then walked out locking the door behind me.

Proves that you are a true Gentleman. And a decent person.

[tsntx]

what is rape. You've dated a girl a few months. It finally happens, she's a bit tipsy, and you fuck her in the heat of the moment, it's all consenting at the time of the act. But she wakes up in the morning, and you have a big fuck off argument, and you dump her, next thing you know, she's on the rape trail. How many guys are serving time cos of this scenario.



key word is CONSENTING


as long as before and during she says its ok... ITS OK

if at anytime before or during she says no or stop ... and you dont... its rape

[Legend]

If a girl is drunk there is no way i would violate her because she isn't in a correct state of mind,in my opinion if any guy does have sex with a girl who is intoxicated he is a scumbag.

[JamesHunt]

LMFAO, I've been played this game, then I leave my Samsung D900 on voice record, and she plays this shit, then I play it back to her, dumn bitch :lol:

[lust4ts]

Thought provoking question.

David Cameron (conservative party leader in UK)is on a crusade at the mo, to save girls from being raped, and lock up more rapists. But what is rape. You've dated a girl a few months. It finally happens, she's a bit tipsy, and you fuck her in the heat of the moment, it's all consenting at the time of the act. But she wakes up in the morning, and you have a big fuck off argument, and you dump her, next thing you know, she's on the rape trail. How many guys are serving time cos of this scenario.

Yeah but how many guys have got away with rape claiming consent, this type of shit works both ways.

Talking of UK politics, what’s the fucking point of voting for Labour or Conservative, they're no different. Once you strip away the spin it’s the same bullshit policies.

[dan_drade]

If a girl is drunk there is no why i would violate her because she isn't in a correct state of mind,in my opinion if any guy does have sex with a girl who is intoxicated he is a scumbag.

If you date a girl and get her drunk on the first date and take advantage of her, that would be a little scummy. But if you have already been dating for several months and it just happens that the first time you have sex is on a night that you go to a club or something and have a few drink and are having a lot of fun. I don't think that would be scummy at all.

[BXCanada]

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Scientific Name: Brassica napus
Other names: Rape, Colza, Oilseed Rape, Rapa, Rapaseed
Family: Brassicaceae or Cruciferae

[Legend]

If a girl is drunk there is no why i would violate her because she isn't in a correct state of mind,in my opinion if any guy does have sex with a girl who is intoxicated he is a scumbag.

If you date a girl and get her drunk on the first date and take advantage of her, that would be a little scummy. But if you have already been dating for several months and it just happens that the first time you have sex is on a night that you go to a club or something and have a few drink and are having a lot of fun. I don't think that would be scummy at all.


Same thing in my opnion dude even if you have dated for a while,she isn't in a right state of mind,what is to say that she really didn't want to have sex.

[BXCanada]

If a girl is drunk there is no why i would violate her because she isn't in a correct state of mind,in my opinion if any guy does have sex with a girl who is intoxicated he is a scumbag.

If you date a girl and get her drunk on the first date and take advantage of her, that would be a little scummy. But if you have already been dating for several months and it just happens that the first time you have sex is on a night that you go to a club or something and have a few drink and are having a lot of fun. I don't think that would be scummy at all.


Same thing in my opnion dude even if you have dated for a while,she isn't in a right state of mind,what is to say that she really didn't want to have sex.

if you are both dateing long term and you decide to have a night out drinking and you both get home and are intoxicated a long as it is not forced sex than i don't see what your problem is. lots of couples get drunk and then jump into bed together.

[suckseed]

I wonder if Honda will chime in here.

[blckhaze]

long story short, just leave it alone. rape laws are on a womans side, for some god reasons, but girls can be vindictive, and its certainly one way for a girl to TOTALLY fuck up a mans life far beyond jail time.

[Leverage87]

All I know is that the law in America says that someone is unable to consent to sexual advances if they are intoxicated. Technically that means any time you have sex with someone who is over a certain limit of BAC, your actually commiting rape.

[suckseed]

Blackhaze....wtf does your avatar mean? Did you come up with that?

[dan_drade]

All I know is that the law in America says that someone is unable to consent to sexual advances if they are intoxicated. Technically that means any time you have sex with someone who is over a certain limit of BAC, your actually commiting rape.

Well I don't think I would have sex with a girl that is fall down drunk or passed out on my bed. What fun would that be? But if we are both buzzed and a both feeling in the mood, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. And I belive in the original post that James states that his gf was "a bit tipsy". I hardly consider that to be fall down drunk or passed out on the bed. IMHO she is well aware of what is going on and she can make her own decisions at that point.

[Leverage87]

Well, im not exactly sure what they state at which point someone is that level of drunk, but I dont think its too high... I don't know for sure though.

[dan_drade]

Well, im not exactly sure what they state at which point someone is that level of drunk, but I dont think its too high... I don't know for sure though.

Alchohol is a funny thing. I think it is used as an excuse by a lot of people to cover up stupid choices that they have made while intoxicated. I have been drunk many times. And sometimes really drunk, but I still know when I am doing something wrong no matter how drink I get. Even after a whole bottle of jack, I know when I am wrong. So, unless someone is passed out or falling on the floor, I think they know what they are doing. And if they use the alcohol for an excuse, they are probably sull of shit. At least IMHO.

[Leverage87]

Ive only ever had one blackout, and nothing happened really, it was me and 2 of my buddies from highschool, and way way too much beer and vodka. All that happened was I woke up at 5 pm the next day and my house was filled with vomit pretty much.

[dan_drade]

Ive only ever had one blackout, and nothing happened really, it was me and 2 of my buddies from highschool, and way way too much beer and vodka. All that happened was I woke up at 5 pm the next day and my house was filled with vomit pretty much.

I hate it when that happens. LOL

[lust4ts]

Ive only ever had one blackout, and nothing happened really, it was me and 2 of my buddies from highschool, and way way too much beer and vodka. All that happened was I woke up at 5 pm the next day and my house was filled with vomit pretty much.

The only time I have blacked out was when this fucked up thing started going round high school where you lean down, take in three deep breaths and someone pushes on your chest causing you to pass out. The stupid thing is the reason why you pass out is because it temporarily stops your heart. Of course at the time I did not know this. Anyway while I was out I was in some fucked up fairground with music and spinning lights with this sense that something was about to kill me, I've always wondered if it was some chemical reaction caused by the stopping of my heart, almost like a near death experience. When I woke up it was all blurry and everyone was laughing and I thought I must have been naked or wet myself or something and for the whole day after it was like I had forgotten how to write. Eventually the teachers found out about the craze, held some big assembly and explained the dangers. Sometimes you do the dumbest things when you are a kid, well I did anyway. Maybe my High School was just fucked though, or it might have even gone round else where?

[Leverage87]

Yeah we did that shit too Lust. Did it to one of my buddies, and he started drooling all over like 'Sloth' from the goonies.

[lust4ts]

Yeah we did that shit too Lust. Did it to one of my buddies, and he started drooling all over like 'Sloth' from the goonies.

Yeah, that was so fucked. I remember looking at my friends face as he pushed on my chest thinking this isn't going to work, then gradually he started disappearing and I was out in some shit scarry little world, nasty shit :roll:

[Leverage87]

Yeah, I had those sentiments exactly, I'm just glad we never did it drunk, one of us might have started hurling or something like that

[lust4ts]

Yeah, I had those sentiments exactly, I'm just glad we never did it drunk, one of us might have started hurling or something like that

Did you ever do the chicken stratch bullshit or blood brothers?

[blckhaze]

Blackhaze....wtf does your avatar mean? Did you come up with that?


LOL.
http://sexy.namedecoder.com/
insert name. pick a picture. tada. instant avy.

[justatransgirl]

What is rape - simply put non-consensual penetration.

Like has anyone followed the indictment of the Orange County, CA indictment of Sherriff Corona? The whole affair started about 4 years ago when 3 boys around 18-19 got a slutty classmate who was 16 or 17 drunk and gang banged her on a pool table and videotaped it.

Naturally the video got out... the boys father was one of the undersherriffs, they tried to bury it, which resulted in some other questionable things coming to light, and now the boys are in prison (I think) and the Sherriff may join them soon.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

Which is a lesson - never, ever videotape sex unless you have a signed model release and ID copy.

And my rule for video or bdsm play or any play is if anybody ever says the words NO, or STOP, everything stops right then. If it's a bdsm date, it's over. If it's a video we stop and make sure what the intention was, sometime people say things in the heat of the moment, but in a video we'd have approval to continue on camera.

[arnie666]

Couple of questions,

1 what if your in bed one night totally pissed and some girl comes in your room gets in your bed and has her way to cheers from your friends who took photos with their phones ? .You never consented to it is she a rapist and are my mates co-conspirators?? Or if some fat bird knows you wouldn't touch her with your meaty pleaser sober so she sneakily waits unit you is drunk buys you a few more drinks and has her way? And you wake up with a giant love bite on your neck. Is she a rapist?

2 some seventeen yr old girl is being passed around your mates .(legal age in the uk) . She is pissed a lot of the time, she never said no though and seemed to be enjoying herself . Her mum complains but only because SHE was the one who used to be passed about. Can the mum say we raped her or get this girl to say we did because the powers that be told her to fuck off and not to bother them again ? Would like five of us go to jail?

[MacShreach]

key word is CONSENTING




Quite right, Jen. The question, however, is whether the woman is in a sufficiently coherent mental state to be able to give her consent.

Make an analogy with "date-rape" drugs. It's not just spiking the girl with a drug that constitutes a crime, it's what you do with her afterwards.

Therefore, if you got the girl pissed in order to make her accessible to you sexually, you're doing the same thing-- only while getting someone pissed is not illegal, the sex afterwards, in these circumstances, would be, because in both the woman is not in a competent state to give consent. And obviously, because the what you do after is the same, taking advantage of a girl's already drunken state would count as rape as well.

Regards the OP, Cameron is just electioneering-- the law in both England and Scotland is already clear on this and has been applied firmly in both jurisdictions in the past.

IE if you have sex with a drunk person you are wide open to a rape charge. It doesn't have to be a girl who is raped, BTW, although I have used that term for simplicity.

[arnie666]

key word is CONSENTING




IE if you have sex with a drunk person you are wide open to a rape charge. It doesn't have to be a girl who is raped, BTW, although I have used that term for simplicity.

Yeah but we all know mac that if some bloke complained a hottie 'raped' him as he was too drunk to consent the Rozzers would probably laugh and say he were a hermer . Probably want her phone number too.

[MacShreach]

key word is CONSENTING




IE if you have sex with a drunk person you are wide open to a rape charge. It doesn't have to be a girl who is raped, BTW, although I have used that term for simplicity.

Yeah but we all know mac that if some bloke complained a hottie 'raped' him as he was too drunk to consent the Rozzers would probably laugh and say he were a hermer . Probably want her phone number too.

That's right enough but the legal recourse is still there even though it is more theoretical than anything.

[Mr_Choc69]

Odd thing is - There are Wives who have accused their HUSBANDS of rape. Guess what fellas.....many of those husbands are now in prison. So the length of time you have "dated" or how much history you have may not really matter in a court of law.

[wombat33]

Thought provoking question.

David Cameron (conservative party leader in UK)is on a crusade at the mo, to save girls from being raped, and lock up more rapists. But what is rape. You've dated a girl a few months. It finally happens, she's a bit tipsy, and you fuck her in the heat of the moment, it's all consenting at the time of the act. But she wakes up in the morning, and you have a big fuck off argument, and you dump her, next thing you know, she's on the rape trail. How many guys are serving time cos of this scenario.


no consent, no sex

legal age


cover those two

[Nowhere]

Thought provoking question.

David Cameron (conservative party leader in UK)is on a crusade at the mo, to save girls from being raped, and lock up more rapists. But what is rape. You've dated a girl a few months. It finally happens, she's a bit tipsy, and you fuck her in the heat of the moment, it's all consenting at the time of the act. But she wakes up in the morning, and you have a big fuck off argument, and you dump her, next thing you know, she's on the rape trail. How many guys are serving time cos of this scenario.

And there lies the caveat.

When it's one person's word versus another's, and that's all you've got to argue with, with women being heavily protected, a woman can use this to destroy a man.

Look at Kobe Bryant. The accusation lost him MILLIONS of dollars in contracts. MILLIONS. And, even though he was completely vindicated, she was able to stab him in the back with that.

Face it, it is a fact that a malicious or simply insane woman can claim rape and destroy a man based on the fact that he is on public display and his reputation is severely harmed in the criminal proceedings around it, with no recourse whatsoever, and that's not even addressing the fact that the laws are set in protection of the claimed raped (normally rightfully so), so that in a "your word versus mine" scenario the man can easily be falsely convicted, with no verifiable requirement of proof.

Don't get me wrong, I like that the laws are in place, but some changes need to be made in terms of (A) protecting the accused in the same way the claimed 'raped' persons are and (B) requiring solid proof of that.

Because the way things are, every time a man has sex with a woman, he i risking destroying his own life. Every time he does it, even sober, she could simpy go crazy, lock him up, make him lose his job and the respect of everyone he knows, family, friends, neighbors, etc - and even if he's vindicated, the damage will still be done, since people won't completely believe the vindication unless it's obvious (which can't be done in a he-said, she-said, scenario).

In modern life it is amazing how women can legally stab a man in the back, with full freedom, based on this, with no negative repercussions, whatsoever.

Even if a man is vindicated and it is shown that the woman is doing it with malicious intent, nothing happens to her. Nothing. So, they'll do it over and over again.

As the original poster said, who knows how many countless innocent men are locked up or lives destroyed as a consequence of this?

It's also tragic that this happens, since it belittles the real rape cases that need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[arnie666]

Thought provoking question.

David Cameron (conservative party leader in UK)is on a crusade at the mo, to save girls from being raped, and lock up more rapists. But what is rape. You've dated a girl a few months. It finally happens, she's a bit tipsy, and you fuck her in the heat of the moment, it's all consenting at the time of the act. But she wakes up in the morning, and you have a big fuck off argument, and you dump her, next thing you know, she's on the rape trail. How many guys are serving time cos of this scenario.

And there lies the caveat.

When it's one person's word versus another's, and that's all you've got to argue with, with women being heavily protected, a woman can use this to destroy a man.

.

But on the other side of it, many people believe including some women I might add that there is no smoke without fire on BOTH sides. There is still an element of 'she was asking for it' or 'look at what she was wearing' or 'look at her sexual history with other men' . I remember watching a video of two male Police Officers interviewing a woman who had made a rape allegation some years ago. And they basically accused her of making it up citing her mental health calling her mad and sex mad etc. They also used strong language and were shouting at her and no female officer was in the room when doing that. They were both sacked I gather but that was just one incident that the public know about. Things are different now with the Police but I still think in society there is an element of 'no smoke without fire ' concerning some victims of rape.Even when it is a nutter who raped a woman in an alley. I mean a female lawyer said because the victim was fat and her client was a goodlooking young male she must have enjoyed it and wanted attention. This was said in open court

In court too it can be very distressing for rape victims who are essentialy picked apart and asked to relive the whole experience. Of course this is necesscary because the mans life and reputation is at stake but still not pleasant I don't think. You also have the false allegations made by mental cases or women looking for revenge or just attention seekers which mean society doubts the cases of real rape. Personally I would like to see men remain anonymous until conviction because of how a mans life and be ruined .Plus prison sentences for those women who make malicious allegations. A believe one woman was sent to prison last year for this.

I think on the other side court should be make more sensitive perhaps to make it less daunting for women although the burden of proof should still be on the woman proving it. And tougher sentences for rape in general.

[TJ347]

Who did the raping and who was raped is the only question that need be asked. If a man says he was raped by a woman, no one wants to hear about it. If a woman says she was raped by a man, he's guilty until proven innocent, and even then his reputation is permanently besmirched. That's pretty much the way it goes, regardless of what extinuating circumstances there might be. I think Kelly Shore has something to do with things being that way... :wink:

[JamesHunt]

The point I was trying to make was that there is a big difference in dating a girl, and after knowing her for a while, you take her out, have a few glasses of wine, and end up having consentual sexual intercourse. Then, maybe you have a disagreement about something or whatever, and she conciously makes the decision to accuse you of rape, cos she knows she can. The motivation isn't that you raped her, she just want's to screw you, and will use the alcohol as an excuse, it's all pretty scary really.

[OEMEnemyNum1]

I thought up until recently it was actually very difficult to get a rape conviction. I heard something like less than 5% ever get convicted. Date rape is one reason that the conviction rate is so low. It's so hard to prove.

[SexyMagdi]

Hmm that woudlnt be considered rape. Cause if she was awake during the sex that means she was willing to do it. Its her fault for getting drunk. But for me rape is when a male or female force themselves on an unwilling person sexually. And physically abuse them while performing the act of sex.