So, Im sitting here thinking...

[DesireeBBWBlackTS]

ImIm sitting here thinking about my future. Im about to go to school across from Manhattan to finish college, and thinking about the one thing that always comes to mind with some transsexuals. Why?

The why has many questions attached to it.

So...i have never had a boyfriend. I have had opportunity. Im just picky.
I never thought about any of this stuff when I was a kid with female feelings. All i knew was i felt like a girl.

Im thinking all kinds of things, but mostly about guys. So I just wanna ask some guys these questions.

Why is there the assumption that all transsexuals like having a dick?
(Disclaimer: For those transsexuals that do like what they have, thats great...I respect them just as much as the next)

Why is it that everytime a guy sees that Im black and a BBW, and a transsexual, they automatically jump to the conclusion that Im a dominant, aggressive top?
(once again, for those that are, more power to you. No disrespect intended)

Why are guys stupid? Why do they assume and conclude what one transsexual does and likes upon what "the other transsexuals (they) have been with liked"? Some people don't like chocolate...some don't like ice cream. Some don'tlike to drink Coca Cola. To those who like those things, it can be wiered when omeone does not like them.

Why do guys complain that many transsexuals are excorts or soliciting money? What do you want to do with that transsexual? Are you going to call her in a few days? Are you going to introduce her to youtr friends as the girl you are dating? Are you going to want to walk in the park, or go in the alley? What if she was not a transsexual? What's your purpose...to objectify? Do you act the same way with natal girls? That may answer your question as to why they want money.

Is it true that many of the guys in NYC that have an interest in transsexuals are homosexuals in denial? I heard from a guy that went to an outing that most of the guys were bottoms, looking to get ass-fucked or suck dick. He even told me that a guy hit on him and he's not even TS/TG. He called them Johns.

Where are the other transsexual girls that want something real in life? Im talking you wanna go to college, be a nurse, doctor, lawyer, teacher, or business woman. Some people just don't know how easy it is to go to school to do anything. I think the bottom line is most transsexuals are afraid that the potential colleges would discriminate against them when it comes to being a student. I got news for you...so many schools have progressed to having really good treatment for transsexual students. Some even have doctors at the student health clinics that are trying to learn transsexual medicine for those students so that their medical costs willbe a part of their education.

Oh well so much for thinking.
I need to get back to this college paperwork

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

due to my allergies and it still being Friday the 13th for 2 more hours I will answer this at a safer time.............

[DesireeBBWBlackTS]

Yes its Fri 13th...so I'll look forward to your answer in a few hours.
Are you allergic to me, Johnnie? LOL

[Ecstatic]

ImIm sitting here thinking about my future. Im about to go to school across from Manhattan to finish college, and thinking about the one thing that always comes to mind with some transsexuals. Why?
You pose some great questions, Desiree. First off, congrats on going back to finish college; I have not idea of your academic interests or career plans, but good luck and do well.


Why is there the assumption that all transsexuals like having a dick?
(Disclaimer: For those transsexuals that do like what they have, thats great...I respect them just as much as the next)
If HA or guys looking for TS escorts and dates are your sample, you're looking at a skewed sample. I don't think all or even most think that way, but it's true a lot do, especially in this context. Why? Because that's what we see presented most of the time in the media (from Povich and Springer to TS porn websites to Eros ads to XXX movies), so that's what many come to expect.

On the flip side, I've engaged in discussions (including many in the archives of this board) where transsexuals proclaim that all transsexuals hate their dicks and don't want anything to do with them, but tolerate them in order to make money off tranny chasers, so I'm glad to see that you recognize and respect that there are those that do, and those that don't (like their dicks, that is).


Why is it that everytime a guy sees that Im black and a BBW, and a transsexual, they automatically jump to the conclusion that Im a dominant, aggressive top?
(once again, for those that are, more power to you. No disrespect intended)
I've only been with a couple of black transsexuals, so I can't respond in any general way with any validity, but I have to wonder (and correct me if I'm wrong) if that doesn't have as much to do with being black as with being transsexual? I've often read posts--several here in the last few days, in fact, though I don't remember the thread offhand--about the flip side of that point, where black guys are offended that transsexuals (especially Asian and white) strongly favor white clients and disrespect or avoid black and Hispanic clients. Personally, I think it's stereotyping, just like many guys expect Asian transsexuals to be compliant and submissive or at least very feminine. That's all part of the culture, and I think there may be some unfortunate truth there, but we should strive to see beyond those stereotypes.

An interesting sidebar here: I know two girls well, one from Thailand and one from Mexico, and both have told me that in their country when they were with men the men never even touched their penises; they were interested in them exclusively as women. It wasn't until they came to the US that both discovered that American men want to be topped. And in both cases, they discovered that they really enjoyed it. That's a small sample, so others may have more to say on the matter, but I thought it interesting.


Why are guys stupid?
I take it this is a rhetorical question? :lol:


Why do they assume and conclude what one transsexual does and likes upon what "the other transsexuals (they) have been with liked"?
Good question. I try not to make assumptions with anyone I'm seeing, but I tend to fail in the other direction, not expecting or demanding enough sometimes, with the result that I sometimes get a lot less out of the time than I should have tried for. My bad, in those situations.


Why do guys complain that many transsexuals are excorts or soliciting money? What do you want to do with that transsexual? Are you going to call her in a few days? Are you going to introduce her to youtr friends as the girl you are dating? Are you going to want to walk in the park, or go in the alley? What if she was not a transsexual? What's your purpose...to objectify? Do you act the same way with natal girls? That may answer your question as to why they want money.
Great questions. A corollary--related to questions above--I think follows in the old saw that any girl who you pay for play is never going to be interested in you beyond that, and trebly so for a transsexual who doesn't like her dick and therefore doesn't like guys who seek her company because she has a dick; they want a guy to fall for them because of the woman they are, not because of their "something extra." It's strange company, often.

But to answer you question, personally, if I make a connection with a girl I certainly do want to call her in a few days, I want to be friends to whatever degree possible. I'm married (with a very understanding wife), so I'm not looking for a girlfriend, but friendship is very important to me and I seek it out. There are 2 or 3 transsexual friends I've made who I sometimes see as a client but with whom I also have social interaction--phone calls, IM sessions, dinner, mutual interests in other areas like photography--all of that is important to me. In public, I'm just with a friend, whether we're out shopping or having dinner together or just walking, and I'm very comfortable with that.


Is it true that many of the guys in NYC that have an interest in transsexuals are homosexuals in denial? I heard from a guy that went to an outing that most of the guys were bottoms, looking to get ass-fucked or suck dick. He even told me that a guy hit on him and he's not even TS/TG. He called them Johns.
Just NYC guys? Whew, that means the rest of us are safe. :P Of course, that's the number one concern of most guys when they first test these waters. I'm bi and therefore being with a transsexual lover was the most natural thing in the world to me, so that was never an issue for me. But how many are gay in denial, how many bi-curious, and how many straight but with a twist, who knows? I like Vicki Richter's term: stray (straight + gay, meaning no interest in men but a love of TS women).


Where are the other transsexual girls that want something real in life? Im talking you wanna go to college, be a nurse, doctor, lawyer, teacher, or business woman. Some people just don't know how easy it is to go to school to do anything. I think the bottom line is most transsexuals are afraid that the potential colleges would discriminate against them when it comes to being a student. I got news for you...so many schools have progressed to having really good treatment for transsexual students. Some even have doctors at the student health clinics that are trying to learn transsexual medicine for those students so that their medical costs willbe a part of their education.

Oh well so much for thinking.
I need to get back to this college paperwork
It's great to hear that about colleges and their attitudes towards the transgendered; I left school over 20 years ago, so I don't have direct experience there (I did teach at a small junior college for most of the 90s, but the college was too small for anything of that nature to appear). I don't have the figures to hand, but I've read some studies which set the number of m-t-f transsexuals living 24/7 as women in the US is in the 10s of 1000s and that most are doing so quietly, living normal lives with their sexual status unknown to most. The public figures of actresses and escorts is a small, if highly visible, subset of all transgendered people.

[DesireeBBWBlackTS]

We;;, as far as getting a legimate career, I still don't realyl understand why so many transsexuals don't want to go to college, etc.

I do look at this:
Many who are excorts come from underprivaledged homes, and are usually race minorities. But, still, im in that boat, but going to college.
I think that so many that are race minorities get into the "life"...the shows, balls, etc, because they don't find an embrace at home. When they get into that bowl, they are usually rebellious, don't initially do well in school, and that lifestyle becaomes...well..their life. They are so inthralled in making money to buy a gown or new outfit for the next ball or show, that they cant focus on Academic Studies, and may not do well. but there are so many other things like VoTech programs that can get them so much.

Another thing, I think that a lot of transsexuals are notinto the college thing because of passing issues. It can certainly play over into your studies when classmates are starting and questioning. Then theres the whole housing issues. Several places are taking care of this though

[DesireeBBWBlackTS]

No offense...i just noticed that you said in your post that you have a very understanding wife, and are not looking for a relationship.

No offense, as Im sure you are a nice guy.

But, to me, that still puts you in that pool of guys who are in no way interested in something where the transsexual is the only woman they are seeing, and is indeed their girlfriend or monogamouse partner.

But, you are older I assume> I notice this much mor ewith older guys. You got married...then discovered for whatever reason, you like transsexuals...could be genitals, femininity or whatever.

This is not meant in disrespect at all...but it is just to say that, while you are a nice guy, some would say that you still have a place among the typical men we eet as transsexuals. That is, someone who is not able to have a monogamous long term relationship, and that is not lookign for a girlfriend.

[Ecstatic]

I think you're right about many of the girls coming from underprivileged homes (and also coming to the "golden land" of the US from poorer countries), getting caught up in the life because it offers instant external validation and (if you're "working") substantial income without a 9-5 job let alone college education and career. But the sad thing is that so many girls never grow beyond that, and when they get older (and one ages very quickly in that life if one is not careful), what alternatives does one then have? A 22 year old hot transsexual babe workin' it is one thing, a 35 year old is another, and after that?

But it's not true of all; I know girls who are invested in real estate and engaged in other businesses like restaurants, so some find alternative paths even without college. Good luck in your studies, Desireé.

[texas4000]

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[DesireeBBWBlackTS]

lets just call her your girlfriend...the T-girlfriend...thats putting other "things" first IMHO lol.

Thanks so much about the Point Scholarships. Im already going to apply for next funding cycle.

but anyway...as far as college stuff goes, im looking for grants and funding too. BUT I can certainly tell you what schools are headed forward with Transsexual students well-being.

[magic9inch]

HOW BIG IS YOUR DICK DESIREEBBW :D

[DesireeBBWBlackTS]

So...you see some wanker asked me how big my dick is.

1. i am not interested in men who want to suck or get fucked by a dick. If I liked having a dick, I would not put myself thru the extremities of descrimination on the job, etc by going thru a sex change.

2. There still was not a direct, concrete answer to my question. Why do so many guys who are into transsexuals, assume that a Black transsexual is a dominant, dick slinginger? I can be on any website, or chat room, and the first set of questions a guy will ask...Am i dominant, am I Hung and Am I a top. They will then talk about how "Black t-girls have huge clitties". Im not interested in all that bullshit. If they really want to know, I am the complete opposite of any of those three silly questions they would ask.

3/ A guy may be nice, but if he can't offer a transsexual that is living full time a relationship to where she is his girlfriend, and is publically presented to those he is around as his girlfriend/wife/ main woman etc...he is in the same pool as the rest of the guys that want nothing real to do with us. If a guy is attached to another woman, even one who is "understanding", and sees transsexuals on the side, and is not in love with her, a transsexual is still nothing to him but ssomething he objectifies. Sorry...its just the facts of life. No one who is a nice guy wants to be put in the pool with the jerks. Just like guys who don't liek fat women. They may be nice to fat women, but in the end, they don't find fat women attractive...the visuals take over. Therefore, theyr "nont-so-nice" potential increases. They are still nice, but that is the little thing about them that is a flaw...the flaw whcih they seek to overlook by calling themselves a nice guy, Ther person is nice, but the ways are no different from the others.

[hillbilly]

we are ALL flawed that's how we got here.

it wouldn't be HA if somebody didn't say something dumb right?lol.

i just think that guys don't think about why too much or at least too often. they just want what they want. sorry its what GG's deal with all the time.

maybe stop worrying about us and just find what you want. you know?

seems that you are moving in too many positive directions to get bogged down in the simply unexplainable (men). find somebody nice and move with it.

ecstatic is right we are looking at a extremely skewed sampling of TS'. they are the ones out and about and easy to find.

as to why some TS' don't pursue a higher education. well who knows? there are many other people who don't have college educations. so it's not simply TS'.

many legit questions for sure. in the end of little of it matters. you need to find your place and your own peace.

good luck you seem to be on your way.

give it time and these questions will melt away in time. promise! then you'll have new one. lol. it's called life.

[DesireeBBWBlackTS]

In order to find what we want.

There was s comment to stop worrying about them and find what I want. Thats pretty hard to do when the greater pool of ,men into TS seem to be unable to commit fully to a TS women in a monogamous situation.
My way of fetting around this is simply to just oook harder.

I am finding peace of mind, and getting on my way with life.

as far as college education goes, yes there are lotf of people, including TS, that do or do not go to college. What I am referring to is the "scene". I am curious as towhy so many girls that are on the streets or in the club scene don't have a gopal for something even as constructive as a Csmetology license from a Vo-Tech school.

oh well..im still sleeping and its 11 AM.

[Ecstatic]

3/ A guy may be nice, but if he can't offer a transsexual that is living full time a relationship to where she is his girlfriend, and is publically presented to those he is around as his girlfriend/wife/ main woman etc...he is in the same pool as the rest of the guys that want nothing real to do with us. If a guy is attached to another woman, even one who is "understanding", and sees transsexuals on the side, and is not in love with her, a transsexual is still nothing to him but ssomething he objectifies. Sorry...its just the facts of life. No one who is a nice guy wants to be put in the pool with the jerks. Just like guys who don't liek fat women. They may be nice to fat women, but in the end, they don't find fat women attractive...the visuals take over. Therefore, theyr "nont-so-nice" potential increases. They are still nice, but that is the little thing about them that is a flaw...the flaw whcih they seek to overlook by calling themselves a nice guy, Ther person is nice, but the ways are no different from the others.
Well, I have to disagree with you there, Desireé: since I'm a "nice" guy with an "understanding" wife, you have just clumped me in with those who objectify transsexuals, and as "no different from the others." That is just as much stereotyping as guys asking you how big your dick is or if you are a dom top. Why is it that, if I am someone who "sees transsexuals on the side," I am someone to whom "a transsexual is still nothing . . . but something [I] objectify"? The same could be said about anyone I see "on the side" (F, TS, or M).

My wife--and we've been married 24 years this month--is not and has never been particularly interested in sex. If I defined my involvement with a partner solely based on our sexual compatibility, she and I should never have married or gotten divorced ages ago. But we love each other very deeply, and there are far more aspects of our relationship that mean much more to us than sex. Now while she is what you might call "asexual" (simply uninterested in sex), I am bisexual, strongly attracted to women but with a passion for lovemaking which include male and female partners; for me, this very naturally led to seeking sexual relations with TS. Thus I often find sexual fulfillment "on the side" with her blessing. Since the girls I see are not interested in me as a boyfriend, this works out well. Were I to pretend to fall in love with someone (regardless of sexual identity) and led them on, then I think I would be guilty of what you say. But so long as it's mutual, I see no harm and no foul.

Now I will admit to objectifing transsexuals in the sense of enjoying photos and movies of models and actresses: but these women have put themselves out there in that way, and invite that response. In fact, they love the attention (or they are in the wrong business). But I don't transfer that to all women or all transsexuals.

Hillbilly has a good point about men: we want what we want. But that doesn't mean that we objectify all [fill in the blank] according to those desires. Some do, some don't. Some have very skewed ideas about TS in society because all they know is what they see here or on other websites or in XXX movies.

[Vicki Richter]

I think the fundamental problem is you coming to a sex focussed shemale forum and expect the guys to want to be nurturing. This forum isn't a transsexual issue forum although I am noticing more people asking those types of questions. Shemales, by definition, are "chicks with dicks", "hung angels", or "dolls with balls", and there is a fairly dramatic difference between us and the transsexual community. You likely won't find a nice nurturing man looking for a post-op transsexual in a club like Peanuts or at Allanah's parties either.

All your insights are good, but you are just trying to find answers in the wrong place. A lot of girls don't escort because they want to, they do it because it is the fastest ways to their goals. Surgeries are expensive. Life in general is expensive.

I honestly do think all shemales/pre-op transsexuals should be spending their escorting money on surgery and college instead of prada bags, expensive dresses they will wear once, or shoes. It's like hardly any T's want to think about the future or they think the sex industry will always be there to sustain them.

[JackHammer]

Vickie hit it on the nose...I read the post and the replies and started thinking that BBW is like a Born Again (or a Jehovas Witness)...comes knocking on your door, trying to sway your thought pattern...she knows where she is, and to whom her question are directed...but like Vicki states, we all freaky in here (sorry Vicki I ran away with that paraphrase, didn't I)

Magic 9 provided the comic relief (keep it real man)...I LMAO...and BBW replie with what amounts to be an admonishment (as a matter of fact there was a lot of seemingly condecension in her posts (there was also a lot of "this smacks of some guy trying to get answers for himself, I mean, if you're a transgendered person [how PC of me], going for yours in the standard fashion (by the way your question asking why more t-girls don't go the college route could be expanded to all walks of life...let's face it, college isn't for everyone), why worry about how others choose to live there lives. Some choices may seemed forced upon a individual (like economic need for example), but at the end of the day, that individual chooses to be a sex worker or not (whether it be a "stroller" or an adult film star [should the opportunity arise]), point is, the question didn't sound as if it were coming from a point of reality.

Good luck in college (it can open up opprotunites that may have not been available had you not gone, but it's not the be all, end all determining factor in success).

Peace

[Iluminati]

Nice questions. I'm going to go in the order you asked.

1)See the answer to 5. It has a lot to do with their fantasies
2)Apparently, you missed out on the meeting on being Black in America. Here's the unfortunate (especially for you) newsflash. High Melanin content + Penis = dominant. It's one of those silly racial chestnuts that has lasted 400 or so years.
3)You should be asking why people are stupid. I ask this all the time with GGs too. It's a part of the human condition.
4)Because people don't want to own up up and admit what they're doing. (Once again, see #5) People want to have their cake and eat it too.
5)I've come to the unscientific conclusion from my dilettante status in the scene that most (non-T) people around are closetcases, period. Besides, if you want a girl, why go through all the trouble of finding one with a dick? Seriously, as someone who writes TG erotica (and has it posted on one of the sites that regularly advertises on this board), I get it all the time about my stories lacking TGs fucking guys. Plus, take a cursory look at this board. You can see it's true for a lot of guys on here. (Though some, to their credit, are pretty open about their bisexuality.) It's like the old joke: Who are you going to believe? Them or your own eyes.
6)They actually do exist. In fact, the few TGs that I've met are otherwise solid, tax-paying citizens. Heck, even the one TG I've hooked up with (shiver) was an ordinary Jane Doe. They do exist...they just aren't on blast.


Oh, and I'm not hating on TGs. All I will say is that #5 can be confirmed from regrettable personal experience

Also, I think Vicki has it right. You don't go looking into sex-oriented places looking for a LTR, period. Now, it might be fucked up that there aren't other venues, but those are the breaks.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Alright my allergies are calm right now, the sun is rising slowly so I'll answer as fast as my vampire ass can...........



ImIm sitting here thinking about my future. Im about to go to school across from Manhattan to finish college, and thinking about the one thing that always comes to mind with some transsexuals. Why?

The why has many questions attached to it.

So...i have never had a boyfriend. I have had opportunity. Im just picky.
I never thought about any of this stuff when I was a kid with female feelings. All i knew was i felt like a girl.

Im thinking all kinds of things, but mostly about guys. So I just wanna ask some guys these questions.

Why is there the assumption that all transsexuals like having a dick?

Blame that on the videos that we see on the net and in the Habib stores on 8th Avenue in Manhattan. Many companies make their $$$ on pre-op t's fucking the shit out of some short haired blonde or brunette dude with waxed eyebrows

Why is it that everytime a guy sees that Im black and a BBW, and a transsexual, they automatically jump to the conclusion that Im a dominant, aggressive top?
Hmmmmmmmm, maybe the guys you run into want to be dominantly topped by someone of your stature........once again I blame this on the porn industry..................

Why are guys stupid? Guys aren't stupid, they just don't know how to respond to women without opening their mouths, see when the mouth opens 9 times out of 10 something STUPID comes out, then we wonder why we aren't gonna fuck.

Why do they assume and conclude what one transsexual does and likes upon what "the other transsexuals (they) have been with liked"? Some people don't like chocolate...some don't like ice cream. Some don'tlike to drink Coca Cola. To those who like those things, it can be wiered when omeone does not like them.
In defense of every man on the planet, we do not all think alike. You're young and as you get older & wiser, you'll start to understand how different each man is in a particular way. Some like apples, some like oranges, some like both, doesn't make them the same when they utilize the thought process.........

Why do guys complain that many transsexuals are excorts or soliciting money? Because the initial meeting for most men with a Tgirl is one where she is an escort.
What do you want to do with that transsexual? Movies, club dancing, dinner, normal shit..............
Are you going to call her in a few days? If she gives her number to me yeah....lol
Are you going to introduce her to youtr friends as the girl you are dating? Hmmmmmmmmmm, for me thats a no.
Are you going to want to walk in the park, or go in the alley?I ain't going in no alleys in NYC, too many rats, but then again there's rats in Central Park too............
What if she was not a transsexual? What's your purpose...to objectify? Do you act the same way with natal girls? That may answer your question as to why they want money.
A woman is a woman (T or G). Mentally you all act the same in some aspects, been on dates with T's & G's, in the end it was a date........
Is it true that many of the guys in NYC that have an interest in transsexuals are homosexuals in denial? I heard from a guy that went to an outing that most of the guys were bottoms, looking to get ass-fucked or suck dick. He even told me that a guy hit on him and he's not even TS/TG. He called them Johns.
LOL @ that shit, I know Allanah will read this and laugh at my answer because we talked about it a while back..........well she talked I agreed with her. I like Tgirls, I preferably do not like to be fucked, and I refuse to suck dick; thats just me. The fact that I can admit to that means that there probably are other dudes out there just like me, then there's the dudes that like to get fucked, and like to suck dick. Bottomline to your question if they are homo's or not is "it varies." It depends on that particular person; and to categorize every guy in NYC in the same group would be ridiculous. I refuse to be categorized in the same group as a trenchcoat mafioso. Homo in denial, I beg to differ, I get repulsed at a man looking at me as a sex object, and it happens often since many T's hang out in gay bars which is about the only place you can go to see them when Opaline's isn't open for us on Thursdays. And we are all JOHNS, sorry guys you can cuss me out in a response, but the minute we shell out $$$ for that date, for that rose in the park, for those lobster dinners, etc. we are a JOHN working towards the goal of getting to the point where we can bust a nut!!!!!!!!

Where are the other transsexual girls that want something real in life? Im talking you wanna go to college, be a nurse, doctor, lawyer, teacher, or business woman. Some people just don't know how easy it is to go to school to do anything. I think the bottom line is most transsexuals are afraid that the potential colleges would discriminate against them when it comes to being a student. I got news for you...so many schools have progressed to having really good treatment for transsexual students. Some even have doctors at the student health clinics that are trying to learn transsexual medicine for those students so that their medical costs willbe a part of their education.

Oh well so much for thinking.
I need to get back to this college paperwork

I refuse to answer this many questions at once ever again, sun's almost up................ p.s. I hope my response didn't offend any of you guys out there, I told her I'd reply at a later time, and I wasn't going to bullshit the reply, thats as blunt as I could respond.[/b]

[hwbs]

dont take this the wrong way,lol....but this is a fucking porn site equipped with PORN store and escort ads,.......im so over all these generalizations from both sides......dont try to pretend its more than it is......it is good how people try to help one another out, but at the end of the day it is what it is.....i dont come here for dating advice or tech support 4 my comPuter,lol.....I may come off as an asshole but so be it....no one else to blame 4 our actions when dating in the TS scene, we are responsible 4 ourselves, ie the girls and the guys.....these days lately seem like more like a tranny census pol

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

lol, hollywood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
straight to the point