For the Girls: Brow Shave vs Brow Lift

[rvince]

here's a bump to the top for you :-)

[TsVanessa69]

I got pumped along the browbone and in the space between the nose and forhead,, where men have that"dent" when you look at their side profile, thus softening the heavy browbone look. also some , very little pumping on the actual forehead to make it appear rounder instead of flat.

[BeardedOne]

This place just got an avalanche of posts pertaining to cock, tits, and ass. Yet the first Transatlantic Transsexual Arm Wrestling Championship. and my brow shave thread are going down for the count on page 3. Therefore I am bumping both threads.

I only just caught this (And will bump for a friend), but jeez! I don't even want to think about this stuff. :shock:

More power to you, gurls. I have enough trouble sniffing shirts in the morning before I got to work. :P

[Rod la Rod]

This place just got an avalanche of posts pertaining to cock, tits, and ass. Yet the first Transatlantic Transsexual Arm Wrestling Championship. and my brow shave thread are going down for the count on page 3. Therefore I am bumping both threads.

I have met 2 women face to face who have had the full works with Dr. O. The cost is 30K +. Their websites are listed below.You can judge for yourself. I think that not many younger transitioners go to Dr. O because of the cost. A couple younger FFS girls are listed below. One from Dr. O, one from Dr. Z. It is massive and major surgery and it has a profound effect. There is a lot of online info about FFS. Google; facial feminization



http://www.beginninglife.com/FFS.htm

http://members.aol.com/karaflynntg/index2.html

http://soylentmean.livejournal.com/33693.html

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/~mirror/FFS/LynnsFFS.html

http://www.annelawrence.com/twr/

[justatransgirl]

I haven't done either and have no intention of it. Particularly after watching an episode of DR90210 where Dr. Alter did a brow shave on this t-girl.

They make a half moon cut from above one ear to the other, fold your forehead over your face, grind the brow bone flat, blow out the dust, stretch it back in place and staple you up.

I can't imagine what the post op pain must be like after having the top of your head split in half and your forehead ground down like a wooden floor, but having suffered from migraines for years I can promise I won't be subjecting myself to any unnecessary head trauma.

However for those tougher than I... I personally know several girls who have had brow shaves in Thailand by Dr. Chettewhut and they all look great. I also know a girl here in SD who recently had one be Dr. Osterhouser in SF and she looks great too.

Have fun... and get plenty of Vicodin.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[CORVETTEDUDE]

What you girls have to go through, just because nature fucked up, is unbelievable!!! :frustrated

[KiraHarden]

I have plans for my ffs surgery next yr

[CORVETTEDUDE]

I have plans for my ffs surgery next yr

And...you need to do that, because....? (Just askin')

[KiraHarden]

I have plans for my ffs surgery next yr

And...you need to do that, because....? (Just askin')
my nose, jaw, forhead, trachea shave brow lift... I dont like my face, still looks male to me

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Hey Sweetie

Here is some advice from me.

When I was much younger and started my transition- I wanted a lot of surgeries that a lot of surgeons told me were not possible- like a brow shave and chin and jaw reduction.

This was before the internet was available and the wealth of knowledge that now exists .

This was 12 years ago- back then, you just relied upon refferences from a girl you knew from a doctor she went to. There was no FFS support groups, or the networks there are now.

I did a lot of surgery that a doctor told me to do to feminize my face that did not. One of them was a direct brow lift that left bad scars.

I have had to have a lot of corrective surgeries from those early surgeries.

A brow lift will NEVER substitute for a forehard reduction.

If you want the best brow work, Dr. O is really the ONE. I went to Dr Lesesne in NYC and he did a pretty good job considering for 5k but Dr O will give the best looking forehead without a doubt..

I do plan to go bacl to Dr.O to do retouched on it. I was not satisfied with my jaw or chin from him but I think his foreheads are amazing.

Nearly every transsexuals that has gone through puberty as male requires FFS- especially in the forehead. Very few have the brow bones or orbital rims of a woman naturally.

[Unregistered]

I haven't done either and have no intention of it. Particularly after watching an episode of DR90210 where Dr. Alter did a brow shave on this t-girl.

They make a half moon cut from above one ear to the other, fold your forehead over your face, grind the brow bone flat, blow out the dust, stretch it back in place and staple you up.

I can't imagine what the post op pain must be like after having the top of your head split in half and your forehead ground down like a wooden floor, but having suffered from migraines for years I can promise I won't be subjecting myself to any unnecessary head trauma.

However for those tougher than I... I personally know several girls who have had brow shaves in Thailand by Dr. Chettewhut and they all look great.

Have fun... and get plenty of Vicodin.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)I would be doing brow bone shaving/breast implants next march with Dr. Chettawut, wish me luck lol. 8) most likely I would either become a prostitute or commit suicide when my family can't take it anymore, oh well, part and parcel of being a trans. :roll:

[Vicki Richter]

I had a brow shave with a scalp advancement and lift concurrently with Dr. SuPorn. The lift alone won't do anything for you really. You will still have the brow ridges that leave a telltale mark. The face needs boney work before you start the soft tissue stuff. I echo Allanah's recommendation to go to Dr. O. He is the best of the best. He is more extreme and cutting edge than anyone else and always pushes the envelope. I do think Dr. Suporn is a good alternative. He actually copied Dr. O's full procedure of late.

By the way, and without singling anyone out, I can't really understand TS who say that they are worried about surgical pain. Hello? Is the quality of life improvement that one experiences from going through sometimes painful surgery not worth it? My recovery time was maybe a week and a half and I was walking around Thailand with Thai men saying "beeeeeeeeautiful" (true story swear to God). If you were born a man, and transition after 18, true feminine beauty costs money. Period. Hormones are not going to do it.

Before my first surgeries, in public I would get gawked at, laughed at, whispered about... and this was when I was 5'7 130# and I got tons of positive attention/feedback from sisters and men the transgender community. While I admire all transsexual women for their bravery. I don't know how some girls do it. I could never have lived that way long term. I would have been back living as a boy in shame.
If that makes me not a real TS, I guess it does. I may be a crazy TS (per medical community standards), but I am not irrational.

[melissacarter]

They make a half moon cut from above one ear to the other, fold your forehead over your face, grind the brow bone flat, blow out the dust, stretch it back in place and staple you up.

You are correct. A brow lift for a TS typically involves not only stretching forehead skin and pulling down your hairline, the surgeon often "burrs" the forehead ridge, that slight projected area at the brow line men have. I believe they use the term "burr" not "grind" but the idea's the same.

I am planning to have that procedure along with a few others as soon as I've paid down my credit card. It's hugely expensive. I'm using Dr. Taylor of Allure plastic surgery in NJ.

[BrendaQG]

I haven't had any surgery but from how you describe it a brow lift would just move your eyebrow hair off of the bump that is under it. The bump would still be there.

I would say either take Vanessas advice and get pumped by someone who knows what they are doing or go for the shave. Either mask the bump or get rid of it.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I had the same thing done as Vicki did, and am very pleased with the results so far.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I had the same thing done as Vicki did, and am very pleased with the results so far. I would choose brow shave over brow lift. Just from what I've seen from other girls that have had browlifts done, it's hardly noticeable (the results) in my opinion.

[Rod la Rod]

I had a brow shave with a scalp advancement and lift concurrently with Dr. SuPorn. The lift alone won't do anything for you really. You will still have the brow ridges that leave a telltale mark. The face needs boney work before you start the soft tissue stuff. I echo Allanah's recommendation to go to Dr. O. He is the best of the best. He is more extreme and cutting edge than anyone else and always pushes the envelope. I do think Dr. Suporn is a good alternative. He actually copied Dr. O's full procedure of late.

By the way, and without singling anyone out, I can't really understand TS who say that they are worried about surgical pain. Hello? Is the quality of life improvement that one experiences from going through sometimes painful surgery not worth it? My recovery time was maybe a week and a half and I was walking around Thailand with Thai men saying "beeeeeeeeautiful" (true story swear to God). If you were born a man, and transition after 18, true feminine beauty costs money. Period. Hormones are not going to do it.

Before my first surgeries, in public I would get gawked at, laughed at, whispered about... and this was when I was 5'7 130# and I got tons of positive attention/feedback from sisters and men the transgender community. While I admire all transsexual women for their bravery. I don't know how some girls do it. I could never have lived that way long term. I would have been back living as a boy in shame.
If that makes me not a real TS, I guess it does. I may be a crazy TS (per medical community standards), but I am not irrational.

VR, You are a true heroine of the TS community. You really should write a book. You have got it all. Brains and beauty.

[hondarobot]

I had a brow shave with a scalp advancement and lift concurrently with Dr. SuPorn. The lift alone won't do anything for you really. You will still have the brow ridges that leave a telltale mark. The face needs boney work before you start the soft tissue stuff. I echo Allanah's recommendation to go to Dr. O. He is the best of the best. He is more extreme and cutting edge than anyone else and always pushes the envelope. I do think Dr. Suporn is a good alternative. He actually copied Dr. O's full procedure of late.

By the way, and without singling anyone out, I can't really understand TS who say that they are worried about surgical pain. Hello? Is the quality of life improvement that one experiences from going through sometimes painful surgery not worth it? My recovery time was maybe a week and a half and I was walking around Thailand with Thai men saying "beeeeeeeeautiful" (true story swear to God). If you were born a man, and transition after 18, true feminine beauty costs money. Period. Hormones are not going to do it.

Before my first surgeries, in public I would get gawked at, laughed at, whispered about... and this was when I was 5'7 130# and I got tons of positive attention/feedback from sisters and men the transgender community. While I admire all transsexual women for their bravery. I don't know how some girls do it. I could never have lived that way long term. I would have been back living as a boy in shame.
If that makes me not a real TS, I guess it does. I may be a crazy TS (per medical community standards), but I am not irrational.

How the hell did you sneak this post in? I was watching and I missed it.

If I don't get some breakfast at this point, though, I'll starve.

You're not crazy, you're just a goof. And a pretty one, too.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I had the same thing done as Vicki did, and am very pleased with the results so far. I would choose brow shave over brow lift. Just from what I've seen from other girls that have had browlifts done, it's hardly noticeable (the results) in my opinion.What does he charge for just a brow bone shave? I think my hairline is fine as is.He charges 2,900

[MrsKellyPierce]

I had the same thing done as Vicki did, and am very pleased with the results so far. I would choose brow shave over brow lift. Just from what I've seen from other girls that have had browlifts done, it's hardly noticeable (the results) in my opinion.What does he charge for just a brow bone shave? I think my hairline is fine as is.He charges 2,900Ty. I'll PM you with questions about some other details if that's ok. Of course

[Vicki Richter]

Wow... $2900? Ousterhaut is like $15000 for that surgery. It was even more than that in Thailand almost 8 years ago.

If the guy is good, go for it.

[Unregistered]

I paid US$4200 for brow bone, chettawut raised his prices recently though.

[Rod la Rod]

I paid US$4200 for brow bone, chettawut raised his prices recently though.

I don't get it. You just posted that you were doing it in March. I was actually very moved by your post. Did you pay in advance? Nicely played. Good luck.


I would be doing brow bone shaving/breast implants next march with Dr. Chettawut, wish me luck lol. Cool most likely I would either become a prostitute or commit suicide when my family can't take it anymore, oh well, part and parcel of being a trans.

BTW the reason that foreign surgeons are raising their prices is illustrated below. THE US DOLLAR IS CRASHING!!!!. Rod la Rod is cashing in. Pay for your surgeries now in US dollars.

FREE INVESTMENT ADVICE FOR ALL TRANNIES!!! PM me for more info.

It's just my way of giving back to the community.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I plan on going to Dr. O for jawline, but it does scare me that Allanah wasn't happy with her results.

[SarahG]

BTW the reason that foreign surgeons are raising their prices is illustrated below. THE US DOLLAR IS CRASHING!!!!.

BINGO.

Our currency isn't worth anything anymore, and it doesn't look to be getting better any time soon.

What's worse is that China has been paying for our war in Iraq by giving us unlimited loans (which they can easily pay for since everything Americans buy is at least partly made in China).

Iraq has gone on longer than WW2, it has cost more than the entire operation of Vietnam.

If we were to piss off China, and if they were to dump all these loans and other American investments in retaliation (they themselves have said this is a possibility if it came down to it), our economy would be completely and comprehensively destroyed. We're talking another huge scale depression scenario.

Now consider that the housing market has collapsed, energy prices are sky rocketing (as the middle east has been destabilized and Iraq has been effectively taken out of crude production). And you end up with an economic perfect storm.

Remember, nothing is more dangerous to an economy than run away inflation. Unemployment you can deal with.

[Unregistered]

I paid US$4200 for brow bone, chettawut raised his prices recently though.

I don't get it. You just posted that you were doing it in March. I was actually very moved by your post. Did you pay in advance? Nicely played. Good luck.


I would be doing brow bone shaving/breast implants next march with Dr. Chettawut, wish me luck lol. Cool most likely I would either become a prostitute or commit suicide when my family can't take it anymore, oh well, part and parcel of being a trans.

BTW the reason that foreign surgeons are raising their prices is illustrated below. THE US DOLLAR IS CRASHING!!!!. Rod la Rod is cashing in. Pay for your surgeries now in US dollars.

FREE INVESTMENT ADVICE FOR ALL TRANNIES!!! PM me for more info.

It's just my way of giving back to the community.

I paid in advance, why were you moved by my post? :?

[Unregistered]

Our currency isn't worth anything anymore, and it doesn't look to be getting better any time soon.


You currency is still worth at least 1.4x my currency. :wink:

[SarahG]

Our currency isn't worth anything anymore, and it doesn't look to be getting better any time soon.


You currency is still worth at least 1.4x my currency. :wink:

Which currency is that?

Obviously isn't Canadian.

[Unregistered]

singapore

[justatransgirl]

By the way, and without singling anyone out, I can't really understand TS who say that they are worried about surgical pain. Hello? Is the quality of life improvement that one experiences from going through sometimes painful surgery not worth it? My recovery time was maybe a week and a half and I was walking around Thailand with Thai men saying "beeeeeeeeautiful" (true story swear to God). If you were born a man, and transition after 18, true feminine beauty costs money. Period. Hormones are not going to do it.

Before my first surgeries, in public I would get gawked at, laughed at, whispered about... and this was when I was 5'7 130# and I got tons of positive attention/feedback from sisters and men the transgender community. While I admire all transsexual women for their bravery. I don't know how some girls do it. I could never have lived that way long term. I would have been back living as a boy in shame.
If that makes me not a real TS, I guess it does. I may be a crazy TS (per medical community standards), but I am not irrational.


Giggle - "without being singled out..." A week and a half of face pain? Ouchy! :-)

Maybe if I was younger, or if I ran into a lot of "whispers" or didn't get migraines it would be a different story. But I wear bangs anyway, and if someone doesn't like my looks they have a choice of not dating me or kissing my a... :-)

But absolutely for many people a brow shave makes sense.

I am going to do something about my lips, either a lift or some kind of filler and a lower face and neck lift so I can still be "37" when I reach 50. Maybe a treachea shave if it shows after a lift but it doesn't now unless I til my head way back.

I can't imagine anyone gawking at you though Vickki unless it was some guy wanting to jump your bones.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[SarahG]

By the way, and without singling anyone out, I can't really understand TS who say that they are worried about surgical pain. Hello? Is the quality of life improvement that one experiences from going through sometimes painful surgery not worth it? My recovery time was maybe a week and a half and I was walking around Thailand with Thai men saying "beeeeeeeeautiful" (true story swear to God). If you were born a man, and transition after 18, true feminine beauty costs money. Period. Hormones are not going to do it.

Before my first surgeries, in public I would get gawked at, laughed at, whispered about... and this was when I was 5'7 130# and I got tons of positive attention/feedback from sisters and men the transgender community. While I admire all transsexual women for their bravery. I don't know how some girls do it. I could never have lived that way long term. I would have been back living as a boy in shame.
If that makes me not a real TS, I guess it does. I may be a crazy TS (per medical community standards), but I am not irrational.


Giggle - "without being singled out..." A week and a half of face pain? Ouchy! :-)

Maybe if I was younger, or if I ran into a lot of "whispers" or didn't get migraines it would be a different story. But I wear bangs anyway, and if someone doesn't like my looks they have a choice of not dating me or kissing my a... :-)

But absolutely for many people it makes sense.

I am going to do something about my lips, either a lift or some kind of filler and a lower face and neck lift so I can still be "37" when I reach 50. Maybe a treachea shave if it shows after a lift but it doesn't now unless I til my head way back.

I can't imagine anyone gawking at you though Vickki unless it was some guy wanting to jump your bones.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

Odd, I have chronic migraines and I have found that it gives me a higher tolerance for most pain, including on my head than what most people have.

[Rod la Rod]

I paid US$4200 for brow bone, chettawut raised his prices recently though.

I don't get it. You just posted that you were doing it in March. I was actually very moved by your post. Did you pay in advance? Nicely played. Good luck.


I would be doing brow bone shaving/breast implants next march with Dr. Chettawut, wish me luck lol. Cool most likely I would either become a prostitute or commit suicide when my family can't take it anymore, oh well, part and parcel of being a trans.

BTW the reason that foreign surgeons are raising their prices is illustrated below. THE US DOLLAR IS CRASHING!!!!. Rod la Rod is cashing in. Pay for your surgeries now in US dollars.

FREE INVESTMENT ADVICE FOR ALL TRANNIES!!! PM me for more info.

It's just my way of giving back to the community.

I paid in advance, why were you moved by my post? :?

I was moved by the part about becoming a prostitute and suicide. Were you serious or do you just have a dry wit?

Btw I have a position in the Singapore stock index ETF. It is up over 100% in the last 2 years.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I think that temporary physical pain and/or other peoples' opinions are not good enough reasons to avoid any surgery which will improve the quality of your life as a woman. I mean, let's face it; "beauty is pain". Besides, there is plenty of lingering emotional pain involved in transitioning as it is. And I don't care who likes or doesn't like how I look. Because if that was an issue, I could have avoided transitioning altogether. But if you're truly content with what you see in mirror, you'd be wasting your time and money by going under the knife. agreed the pain I feel tonight and the pain felt during the first week makes up for everything when I look in the mirror.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Oh and honestly the face surgery was a breeze I don't feel a thing of pain from my face. IT'S THE BREAST THAT HURT!!

[Danielle Foxxx]

Here is my input.

When I was 22 I had my cheeks pumped, lips and chin. This past June I corrected alot of it with a good surgeon who was able to handle silicone. It was hard to find but I am pleased with my lift and bileteral chin implant because his opinion is that my chin was too pointy.

I oped not to have anything done to my brow bone. Instead I had hair graphs which in cunjunction with:

Lift
Octoplasty ( ears )
Chin inplants

Ran me $ 12,500

I didn't wanna look like someone else. My concern was to look in the mirror and not recognize the person I was used to seeing. I just didn't want to go too drastic. And my concerns were adressed without major surgery. But I think first you have to look in the mirror and know that you are a gorgeous person. You gotta say it and believe it, then you will have a clear picture of what you trully need vers what you think people need from you so that they can accept you as a trans woman.

[justatransgirl]

IT'S THE BREAST THAT HURT!!


Noooooooo....... :-)

Oh well, no pain, no gain...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[Danielle Foxxx]

Well, I used to be the same way about the " wispers ". Even now when people laugh I think they are laughing at me, and even if they are who cares anyway... they are the assholes and I am living my life the way that makes me happy. I can understand where you are coming from, I grew out of the " paranoid " brain pattern for most part, but it all comes with time I guess - Ohhh and lots of money on therapy.

I am not against surgery at all - Just adding my view on things.

Instead of looking at my forehead like I hated it, I just started to let go of that feeling that consumed me when I looked in the mirror. No one needs to do that at all. We are all different and a lovely unique woman like yourself should focus on just that - your uniqueness! Fuck the haters ! lol

[Danielle Foxxx]

One more thing to note is that you have come a looooong way since we last spoken, and you will just blossom even more. If you get FFS you may end up over animated, and some people just stand out even more after they get it done.

By your Avitar picture the shape of your forehead is good, maybe lower your hairline and you are all set

I do not believe everyone needs FFS, some adjustments maybe but not complete FFS...

[Unregistered]

I was moved by the part about becoming a prostitute and suicide. Were you serious or do you just have a dry wit?

Btw I have a position in the Singapore stock index ETF. It is up over 100% in the last 2 years.

oh, I thought that many if not most ts go through that, besides, I'm pretty sure many other ts are having it much worse than me.

What's Singapore stock index ETF, sorry I don't really know much about such things.

[Danielle Foxxx]

I am still trying to find that perfect tatoo person LOL ! Missed you too girl. You know I love your honesty and your uniqueness is what sets you appart.
I emailed Katt Von Dee from LA ink but her shop is near here so I think I will just stop by and ask.
I will get one now and then one when I get back from Overseas on the back of my neck that says " Made in Thailand "... What do you think of that bioootch??? How about them apples?

Here is a horrid picture of me after the procedure. My baby hair is still growing in the front ofcorse but I am happy with the results. This is a non glam pic of me just hanggin at home.

[GIA LOVES RON]

One more thing to note is that you have come a looooong way since we last spoken, and you will just blossom even more. If you get FFS you may end up over animated, and some people just stand out even more after they get it done.

By your Avitar picture the shape of your forehead is good, maybe lower your hairline and you are all set

I do not believe everyone needs FFS, some adjustments maybe but not complete FFS...

I totally agree with Danielle. By the way Danielle, you are one of the girls I admire when it comes to surgeries decisions that you have made. Very smart move for you! I don't think all transwomen needs the complete FFS surgery. Same as Danielle's point of view about looking animated....I don't want to look animated or cartoonish or just have that "surge look". I mean beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But in my case, I do believe in inner beauty...if your beautiful from the inside, it shows from the outside. As much as I hate some parts of my face. Hopefully I will do the right procedures to make me look as natural as I can even through the means of surgery. I haven't done anything to my face yet just like Nicole Dupree. But I am actually thinking of getting the same procedures as her. Brow shaving and lifting. I think these procedures alone will help me go to the more feminine features that I am wanting for a long time. Also I would love to have Jawline softening and cheek implants! hahaha! Very vain! But going back to Nicole's topic abut her getiing it done, im my opinion Nicole (judging from your pics here in hungangels)....I think that you already have the feminine features bu i think brow shaving and lifting and forehead lowering would do a great deal for your transition. In my country girls can't afford these procedures so they usually do collagen on the brow bridge and brow bone to soften the face and also they put it in the cheeks where there is the "sunken" look. It's relatively cheap and very safe for your face...since we have the natural collagen in our face the moment we we're born. Just my thoughts! :D

[Danielle Foxxx]

Gia,
YOu are smoking really good crack girl! LOLOLOL
You honestly mean to tell me that you look at yourself in the mirror and see something wrong witht that gorgeous face? OMG!

I think you are soooooo pretty, but hey... You are right... It's how you see yourself and how you want to feel that matters

Love your look

[WendyWilliams]

Yes Gia is very pretty. Danielle I think your mug is beat now and I couldnt imagine you making anymore adjustments.

Afer postponing surgery a year to get business back on track, move, and some family issues. I have my brow shave/lift, hairline, 2nd nose job, and bocal fat removal scheduled for March.

FINALLY!!

[GIA LOVES RON]

Gia,
YOu are smoking really good crack girl! LOLOLOL
You honestly mean to tell me that you look at yourself in the mirror and see something wrong witht that gorgeous face? OMG!

I think you are soooooo pretty, but hey... You are right... It's how you see yourself and how you want to feel that matters

Love your look

Thank you for yor kid words again Danielle. I'm very happy for you with all the SRS and everything. I hope I can get mine done as soon as I can. Hope is well with you and best wishes for everything you do in life!

Gia

[resdog]

wow Gia you look really hot in ur avatar babae

[Danielle Foxxx]

Doesn't she? I would cheat on my lesbian lover Vicki for her anytime. Maybe when you get your SRS we can be lesbian lovers and bring guys home from the club as toys LOLOLOLOL

Congrats Wendy, haven't talked to you since you yelled at me...LOL... Hope everything is a bit smoother for you now and the storm has passed

[WendyWilliams]

Life couldnt be better! Yea I think we both got caught up in each others own storms LOL But its sunny and a beautiful life, right?

Ok back to brow bones and eye lids LOL

[AllanahStarrNYC]

As far as the pain discussion is concerened- I experienced absolutely no pain from my forehead reduction and scalp advancement. The only semi uncomfortable part was the removal of the staples.

A face lift was much more intense- the jaw and chin was far the worst pain and recovery. Oh and lipo- that felt like I had been stabbed with a knife over and over again.

Nose never hurt- and never did the 6 sets of implants or breast lifts. ANd most of my surgeries have been pretty painless.

I think the pain of the years of electrolysis combined definately outweighs any of the surgical pain.

And I certainly do not have a high threshold for pain but the truth is that pain varies from person to person and that a lot of stuff does not hurt as much as you think it does afterwards.

[BrendaQG]

What I really fear is not pain but complications and scarring. I have the luck of the irish lately. With that I would probably be the one who goes for breast and ends up with craters in my chest.

Seriously so many things can go wrong.

[Danielle Foxxx]

Allanah,
I had the same experience. My Lift hurt on the Jaw and cheeks, and the staples I was crying. And lipo was the worst EVER, followed pretty close by my octoplasty.

[peggygee]

My philosophy is get the 'work' that you feel you need.

It's already been said, but the temporary physical pain
you will experience is nothing compared to emotional pain
that society can heap upon you if you don't pass.

So for me it was HRT, nose job, tracheal shave, chin implant,
sil in the cheeks of my face, hips, and butt, breast augmentation,
and recently lipo. Below the waist first the orchi then the SRS. Of
course there was electro and I believe there are a few procedures
I may have forgot about.

Start as early as you can with your transition, and don't half-step
or play at it.

I can understand if a girl doesn't want to go all the way to the SRS,
but without being shady I don't think the non-op option works beyond
your teens.