Is the fact that most GG women aren't that feminine...

[Nowhere]

these days what draws many men to the girls here, today?

I was just thinking on how it's become sort of the norm for women to more and more mannish these days, never wearing skirts, not wearing makeup, etc, etc - while the girls here really appreciate their femininity, actually to the point of EMBRACING it, which might be why a lot more men are into them.

Of course, there's a lot who are just c*ck bandits, but that's for another thread.

What do you think?

[Night Rider]

I love tgirls that dress sexy, but that's not why im attracted to them. I'm attracted to beauty and femininity, even if they dress like quakers lol...

...it's when they've their clothes off that matters :wink:

[Falrune]

I think it is only a sampling error. The femininity probably runs the entire spectrum for both TG and GG

[whatsupwithat]

I think it is only a sampling error. The femininity probably runs the entire spectrum for both TG and GG

ha! good answer.

[peggygee]

I think it is only a sampling error. The femininity probably runs the entire spectrum for both TG and GG

I'm inclined to agree.

Not all transwomen do the hyper-sexual Barbie doll look. And not all
natal females let themselves go to Hell in a handbasket.

The norm may lie somewhere in between.

[BeardedOne]

The norm may lie somewhere in between.

Norm never lies!

[BeardedOne]

In all seriousness (Yah, royt!), everyone's reason for attraction varies.

I've been around some drop-dead gorgeous GGs, all primped and done out in their best evening finery and all that came to mind was whether or not they might get ketchup on that fine gown when we stopped at Fuddrucker's.

To the other end of the spectrum, I've encountered grease-covered dykes at the local motor shop that got my dick hard just by saying "Hello".

And somewhere in the mix are the T-gurls. :shrug

'Course, it certainly doesn't hurt that I am a confessed cockbandit. :?

[peggygee]

The norm may lie somewhere in between.

Norm never lies!

"Norm!"

[SexyMagdi]

One thing I do take pride for is looking my best when in my female form. I believe that all women not just TS's should look femanine and sexy. To fix up their hair and put on make up where ever they go. But its true many women today dont care how they look aslong as its not a major situation like a fancy dinner, or the movies. Even if the reson why the woman looks fabulous is becuase shes a cock bandit so be it as long as she looks amazing thats all that matters, not look like a monster.

[62des]

Sorry, but just WTF ARE YOU GUYS TALKIN ABOUT? lol What chicks are yall seing!? Really, where ever you guys are you need to relocate immediately. lol Secondly who are us guys and TS to say what how feminine a GG is and isn't? Do you think all women shouldn't play sports and just look pretty screaming at every little bug they see? No. That's not what femininity is all about. It is natural and there are times when women should dress sexy, and other times when they shouldn't. But that's a whole nother story.

[El Nino]

I love the femininity that that just oozes from a sexy Tgirl. It's what I am attracted to very much. The cock in the panties is an added bonus though. I can't wait to have my first intimate encounter. It is something that I look forward to and excites me.

[Harvey Byrdman]

So what is more feminine that an actual female?

[62des]

^ Good question. Answer is, "nothing." That was what I was trying to say.

[Trogdor]

So what is more feminine that an actual female?

If said female is alot like Linda Trip or one of the hag-beasts from The View, than the answer is anything. A labia, vagina and overies are not a feminine person make.

In my neck of the woods ( Southeastern Michigan ), a sexy, feminine GG is a rare find. Most of them here look and act more like a bunch of guys moaping around like Hank Hill and his buddies. Often built like a barrel, dressed like they came from a rummage sale, hair that makes ya think the 3 stooges are back in town, and probably can out-belch the most capable of male slobs.

Me, I like girly girls.....I like the girls who have the nice hair, the pretty faces, the femme bodies, the nice clothing, the long nails, the high heels......I like that stuff. Problem is most of those girls are either married or lesbians.....the only available chicks who like men are the ones that are like Rossie O' Donnel.

Excuse me please, I need to use the restroom.

:puke

[62des]

Well I'm used to seeing hotties around my way so I could only imagine what its like to see slobs all the time.

[Trogdor]

Well I'm used to seeing hotties around my way so I could only imagine what its like to see slobs all the time.

Come to the Michigan/Ohio area, and you'll find out.

[TrueBeauty TS]

Well I'm used to seeing hotties around my way so I could only imagine what its like to see slobs all the time.

Come to the Michigan/Ohio area, and you'll find out.


Dude, you need to move out of the sticks.


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[Trogdor]

Well I'm used to seeing hotties around my way so I could only imagine what its like to see slobs all the time.

Come to the Michigan/Ohio area, and you'll find out.


Dude, you need to move out of the sticks.


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When I have the $ to, I intend to.

$$$ is also hard to get in these states, we're the bottom of the barrel in the economy as well. :P

[justatransgirl]

I think it's because T-girls want to express their feminity because a lot of us work hard to obtain what GG's grow up with.

I like to dress up, but in our everyday lives we just dress like any other girl. T-shirts and jeans, flip flops or Uggie boots.

I often wear skirt suits, or designer sweats depending on the situation. In the summer I wear levi minis and flip flops a lot even though it embarrases the hell out of Jessica.

Jessica is a university student, she dresses in the school girl "uniform" - levis, beater, t-shirt and sweat shirt if it's cool.

If we go clubbing then we dress slutty like all the other slutty girls...

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[SarahG]

these days what draws many men to the girls here, today?

I was just thinking on how it's become sort of the norm for women to more and more mannish these days, never wearing skirts, not wearing makeup, etc, etc - while the girls here really appreciate their femininity, actually to the point of EMBRACING it, which might be why a lot more men are into them.

Of course, there's a lot who are just c*ck bandits, but that's for another thread.

What do you think?

So you're saying in order to be feminine a girl has to wear skirts & makeup?

Not sure I agree with that. A GG friend of mine is a very "lumberjack lesbian" type and can wear all the skirts, heels and makeup in the world and STILL not have anyone (even drunks) think she's feminine.

It's all about a girl's personality. You can't make someone seem feminine through clothes and makeup if they're not feminine to begin with.

oh yea, another thought- now if by feminine you mean western gender roles, then maybe (maybe) you'd have a stronger argument. I think girls who are trans are more likely to follow traditional western gender roles due to a number of reasons, such as in some cases- trying to blend in/assimulate, fearing having any major deviations from traditional female gender roles would increase chances of being read- whatever.

Then, to bring in a whole other mess into this thread, I have seen numerous people (trans and not) observe that cds tend to exaggerate gender roles & stereotypes while in their "mode." Perhaps over compensation or part of a fetish mindset? I really don't know.

[Katoey-Thaiger]

Often a TG-girl likes much more to be very feminine. She shows this in her dresses, make up, all other accessories and her feminity behaviour.

And GGs likes more and more to show some male manners. And if she do this always in her job for to getting more success and acceptation, or at home often with her partner then it`s not so easy for hold on this sweet kind of female.

[Shining Star]

IMHO, many TS girls express heavy overt feminity as either a way of covering up or for compensating masculinity. There is also the case to be made that a large percentage of TS girls emulate the more extreme forms of females such as fashion models, porn stars, lingerie models, rap video girls, and so forth because that is what they believe men want in a woman. Finally there is the fact many TS girls work in the life, and thus need to present a certian apperance for financial gain.

Being as all this may, a large percentage of men, even those who oggle pictures in Playboy or Maxim, rarely marry or establish long term realtionships with such women as noted above. Men will sleep and or date such women, but by and large look for other traits when choosing a life partner. Indeed if such behaviour and looks were sucessful in attracting a mate, women like Pamela Andersen Lee wouldn't have gone through several husbands to date.

Physical standards of beauty and femininity vary by culture, as well as what is considered appropriate dress and behaviour. Anyone who has been to any of the Latin countries,or at least watched novellas on televison, will quickly note women and young girls have great latitude in what they may wear and how they may behave and still be considered "la propia mujer" .

It is not unusual to see female doctors, judges, attorneys, office workers, college students and so forth going about at work and elsewhere in short skirts, great expanses of bosom, and tight fitting clothing with no great damage done to their reputation. Being feminine in such countries, even to the point of being hyper-sexy feminine in North American eyes, is considered normal and indeed healthy. My latest favourite example of this would be the character "Alicia" on the novella "La Fea Mas Bella" (Ugly Betty), played by Patricia Navidad. Alicia totally personsified the Latin version of "using what you got to get what you want". Huge mane of long (bleached) blonde hair, hips, bosom, rear, and thighs in good poportion and some parts always on display (usually vast expanses of pushed-up bosom). All this is reinforced by coquettish/little girl speech and behaviour when speaking to men that would strike an American woman as beyond stupid.

American women by and large, have restricted themselves to the Puritain, WASP ideal of beauty and feminitity a la Jackie Kennedy and the like, in short "Ladies". No English/American "lady" would think of parading her bosom around like they are first place at the county fair; nor would she condone undergarments that are often the stock and trade of public women. This image fits in with what most Amercian males wish in a wife and mother of their children. Blonde, beautiful, virginal, and pious (hopefully), such women represent the repository of all that is morally sound and upright with the culture. Their feminity is expressed demurely and purely. Which is why for quite some time, and still probably in some part today, public women, and or women who at least dress in a suggestive manner and are attacked, are considered getting what was coming to them. Nice girls don't dress or behave that way, and if her manner or dress brought out the beast in a man, well it is her fault.

In the workplace, American women havel long been told they must behave like "men" and drop all the frou-frou if they wish to get ahead. Certian behaviour and dress are not tolerated nor encouraged because of the possibility of sexual harrassment lawsuits. If say a woman dressed like a Spanish office worker mentioned above, and was subjected to constant catcalls and tauts by male workers, she might try to bring a lawsuit, but judge and jury weather right or wrong will factor into things how she dressed and behaved.

[hvybass]

my position is that biological women are not only politically oppressed but also genetically oppressed from millenia of conditioning,creatively,sexually and in many other ways..sad

[catpower]

So what is more feminine that an actual female?

I totally agree. Given, there are some that might act more mannish, but I am not really feeling the logic or premise behind this thread, that somehow ggs have lost their way, so guys are now into tgs.

whatev.

[62des]

I don't think anybody should be saying MOST GG's because if you go to the right places that's all you'll see is fine and sexy women. I see them all around where I stay. Its just a matter of where you are.

[Night Rider]

So what is more feminine that an actual female?

So ur saying Ellen DeGeneres is more feminine than the tgirls here?
You don't have to be female to be feminine, just as u don't have to be male to be masculine.

[Hazel Tucker]

I think everyone's got their own level of femininity, just like clothing style or persona. It's what makes us who we are.

Rebecca West
"I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat."

[Harvey Byrdman]

I just find it humorous how everyone tries to rationalize their attraction to TS women.

"I'm attracted to her femininity."

You are attracted to the cock. There are approximately 3,310,483,706 women in the world and while all may not be that vision of beauty you see when you close your eyes at night, I'm willing to bet that a larger percentage are than there are attractive TS women. Stop worrying about excuses and just live your life the way it makes sense for you. If you love the cock, embrace it, don't hide from it.

[MacShreach]

Physical standards of beauty and femininity vary by culture, as well as what is considered appropriate dress and behaviour. Anyone who has been to any of the Latin countries,or at least watched novellas on televison, will quickly note women and young girls have great latitude in what they may wear and how they may behave and still be considered "la propia mujer" .


Great post, Shining Star.

[MacShreach]

You are attracted to the cock.

You might like to consider speaking for yourself, cockhound.

Tell me, how do men who like post-op TS women fit into your gay-nazi world order?

Just because all you see is a cock to gobble or sit on does not mean the rest of us fit your limitations.

[tall, dark & Handsome]

my position is that biological women are not only politically oppressed but also genetically oppressed from millenia of conditioning,creatively,sexually and in many other ways..sad

I believe many are self oppressed. they continually try to heard men in as a control device. their self oppressed nature is to be an example to men.
And that's one to grow on.

[KiraHarden]

I take great care of my body, I have my nails done every two weeks, go see my hair dresser once a month, and my makeup is impecable,sexy walk, bubble baths, shopping, etc. I'm a girly girl, yet I dont like or wear high heels or dresses, I only wear jeans, flip flops, shorts, flats, boots, cute tops. Clothing has nothing to do with my feminity.

I think feminity comes from within, dont confuse high heels, sexy clothing with fetishes as being more feminine. Some CD think throwing on a dress, stockings (out of style), heels, and dressing like some GG holdout from the Hair band 80's makes them more fem than a TS living fulltime trying to fit in the normal everyday( Real ) life of woman.

My friend is pregnant and due in 5 weeks, now thats feminity I wish I could expierence. (OR SPELL)

What makes a Masculine male? Is the tattoed beer bellied biker in a wife beater t-shirt more masculine than a well built muscular guy in a suit

[MacShreach]

I've already recounted how I got into this so I won't go over it again in detail but I remember seeing pix of Tula Cossey and being just staggered by how outrageously sexy she was.

And some years later I was cruising for a pick-up and saw a girl who did the same thing for me--I didn't know she was TS at first, I just thought she was tall and gorgeous....Granted it was about 1 am in a city I was not familiar with so I wasn't concentrating.... But I was strongly enough attracted to hire her services before I knew anything about the extra tackle, and it didn't make any real difference to the encounter. She was a little surprised that I didn't want my arse fucked (I think; we were communicating in Italian and neither of us spoke it very well) but after that she relaxed and we had great sex in my hired car.

Anyway the point is that in both these it was not the dick that got me interested, since the first case was PO and I didn't know about the second, well in the beginning...

.I think I am very attracted to a certain look and style....I've never been a fan of the Suzie Creamcheese type girls who are plastered all over the 'Net.

Having spent many years living outside of le monde Anglo-Saxon I think it's true that a lot of girls within it actively suppress their femininity...I mean a French girl can wear a baggy sweater and a pair of old jeans but she'll have a drop-dead hairdo, put on a bit of make-up, some jewellery and perfume, and bingo, hot stuff. I mean, they just walk sexy.

I think many TS girls do the same....I don't think I'd describe it as the feminine side, because as somebody pointed out, how can something be more feminine than a genetic woman.....But the expression of feminity as a sexual statement is something many TS women do very well. Ho yuss.

Gotta go.

[TJ347]

I personally like a woman who can look feminine without wearing too much makeup. It's one of those rare pleasures...

That's all I've got to say on this topic, as anything else I would've said has already been said.

[62des]

I'm gonna say this for the millionth time, how is it possible for a place to have such women that you guys describe, not feminine and shit. All i see around me is beautiful dimes. Or maybe you guys are expecting to find them in alleys. But you guys should seriously think about relocating.

[Harvey Byrdman]

You are attracted to the cock.

You might like to consider speaking for yourself, cockhound.

Tell me, how do men who like post-op TS women fit into your gay-nazi world order?

Just because all you see is a cock to gobble or sit on does not mean the rest of us fit your limitations.

Never said I wasn't. The beauty part is that I'm not bothered by it. Since this board is geared more toward pre-op TS I was mainly speaking on that subject. A post-op TS woman to me is the same as a GG. Of course I'm speaking solely on physical attraction, if you were really looking for an emotional connection you would be not be doing so on an internet message board predominantly filled with porn posts.

[GIA LOVES RON]

I agree that most tgirls tend to be so feminine that it gives them away. On the other hand i've seen a lot of gg's in my life that is so feminine that people start thinking if they are trannies. One way or another, femininty is a very beautiful thing. :D

[MacShreach]

You are attracted to the cock.

You might like to consider speaking for yourself, cockhound.



Never said I wasn't.

Oh really? Here's your OP, since you suffer from short-term memory failure--




I just find it humorous how everyone tries to rationalize their attraction to TS women.

"I'm attracted to her femininity."

You are attracted to the cock. There are approximately 3,310,483,706 women in the world and while all may not be that vision of beauty you see when you close your eyes at night, I'm willing to bet that a larger percentage are than there are attractive TS women. Stop worrying about excuses and just live your life the way it makes sense for you. If you love the cock, embrace it, don't hide from it.

Don't try to slime your way out of it with weasel words, jerk. You weren't speaking for yourself, you were telling everyone else how to live.

Typical Gay Nazi behaviour.

[62des]

You know, I'm starting to think that maybe some of you just couldn't get the pretty ones to start with. Don't care where you are, there's atleast a few fine women wether GG or TS I think you are all just making excuses.

[south09]

these days what draws many men to the girls here, today?

I was just thinking on how it's become sort of the norm for women to more and more mannish these days, never wearing skirts, not wearing makeup, etc, etc - while the girls here really appreciate their femininity, actually to the point of EMBRACING it, which might be why a lot more men are into them.

For me that has a lot to do with it. I like women who embrace the advantages of beauty they possess.