A Guys Point of View, I had to ask

[TsVanessa69]

yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:32:12 PM): You haven't found any man to kick it with on a regular basis?
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:34:43 PM): guys don't do that
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:34:51 PM): you have females to kick it with
yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:34:56 PM): I forgot
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:35:02 PM): and fuck on the dl when you get in the mood
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:35:23 PM): you are the perfect example
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:35:31 PM): not sayiing it to be mean
yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:37:50 PM): You are not mean... Its true. I'm out of that phase... I stop doing that. Doing that along time ago. I haven't been with a tgirl for awhile. Especially with me being with my girl, and she knows i like tgirls. I just don't belive in doing that to shemales anymore.... Its not right.
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:38:18 PM): yea guys always say that
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:38:28 PM): like shemales are not worthy to date
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:38:35 PM): just fuck as a thrill
yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:38:41 PM): You are
yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:38:49 PM): you are a worthy date
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:38:54 PM): thats why I charge
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:39:04 PM): I got tired of being used
yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:39:21 PM): I know... You told me that in your last coversation
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:40:03 PM): its true
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:40:14 PM): why are you guys that way?
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:41:09 PM): i never understood
yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:41:50 PM): We... Are...Pussies! Plain and simple.... Instead of coming out and saying I like tgirls we go into a shell and never come out. We are afraid of being rejected by our friends and famile and losing everybody we know. It took forever to tell my girlfriend everything.
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:42:46 PM): so why not man up?
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:42:55 PM): what if you fell in love with a ts?
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:43:49 PM): You gonna not be happy just to worry about what other people say?
yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:45:28 PM): I did fall in love with one... She is a full woman now... but I did a couple of years back. She was different from evrey tgirl I ever met. She made me respect transexuals so much more. She was not an escort, she went to school, she had a job and she was a very caring person. She made me see tgirls in a whole new perspective.

[TsVanessa69]

I used to see him off and on, then one day he disapeared. No good by, nothing. Then about 6 months ago he told me he found love in a female.
yesterday he sent me an IM to tell me she moved to Chicago and they now live together.
So now he wants to chat with me, so I had to ask, as I never have asked a guy that I hung out with WHY? why are ts not good enough to date? why are we just a fling?
He shed a little light, any girls expierence simular?

[Night Rider]

TS are definatley good enough to date. The only thing holds people back is worrying about how their friends, family think. TS are relatively new to the scene (a few decades) and it will take a bit of time for it to be fully accepted.

Think about it, homosexuals have become more and more exepted and are getting a lot more rights. It's only a matter of time before tgirls get the rights they deserve.

I would definatley have a relationship with a ts, but there are a lot of narrowminded people that worry to much about how other people percieve them...their loss ;)

[blckhaze]

Its all case by case. Just as soem guys wont date TS, some will. Personally, I've done both, and right now, i'm in a relationship with a gg for about 2 yrs now. She know about my attraction to TS's and while she doesn't fancy it, she understands that not everyone has the same tastes. My most serious relationship with a ts happened whil i was a soph in college, and that lasted 6 months (it ended mutually, no hard feeling at least on my side) I'd never say i wouldnt date a ts again, but while i'm dating one person, unless my partner knows about it and is ok with it, i don't sleep with anyone else. I can't speak for other, only myself. I'm kinda old school that way. I've seen first hand what a cheating husband can do to a family (my father ended up marrying 3 three woman at once, including my mother, and since their divorce he's been married 3 MORE times). One woman at a time definitely lessens the drama long term.

[ed_jaxon]

What's happening Vanessa.

One theme that repeats over and over is that many men want to avoid confrontation and commitment. We compartmentalize things so we don't have to deal with what we don't want to have to deal with at that time.

A man pays an escort for sex because when its over he can walk away and not have any strings. Complications frustrate us and its just easier to walk away. It is somewhat similar to the girl who gets tired of being burned by guys and then keeps them at arms length by escorting. I understand that.

I for one like my life this way for right now because I have too much to deal with on my own without dealing with what someone else's baggage.

One day I will hook back up with someone but tg or gg she will have to have fewer problems than me.

Never hook up with someone who has more problem than yourself.

Hope to see you around Chicago sometime.

[TsVanessa69]

What's happening Vanessa.

One theme that repeats over and over is that many men want to avoid confrontation and commitment. We compartmentalize things so we don't have to deal with what we don't want to have to deal with at that time.

A man pays an escort for sex because when its over he can walk away and not have any strings. Complications frustrate us and its just easier to walk away. It is somewhat similar to the girl who gets tired of being burned by guys and then keeps them at arms length by escorting. I understand that.

I for one like my life this way for right now because I have too much to deal with on my own without dealing with what someone else's baggage.


One day I will hook back up with someone but tg or gg she will have to have fewer problems than me.

Never hook up with someone who has more problem than yourself.

Hope to see you around Chicago sometime. Good point

[TJ347]

Sorry in advance should I piss anyone off with my unsolicited response, but speaking as a man who has dealt with escorts, I felt I could add something of value here, so here goes...



yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:38:49 PM): you are a worthy date
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:38:54 PM): thats why I charge
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:39:04 PM): I got tired of being used
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:40:14 PM): why are you guys that way?

With all due respect, I will never understand someone who chooses of their own free will to be escort complaining about being used. I for one believe that if anyone gets "used" it's the client, but that's another issue entirely...

Why will the majority of guys not date an escort, transsexual or otherwise? Because they don't like the idea of other guys getting some ass from what's supposed to be their woman. Sure, there's the odd guy who's the exception, but ever notice these types seem to be found only as companions of your more well known transsexual escorts, and appear to overwhelmingly be kept men? I'm guessing being taken care of financially helps these dudes overlook any issues they have with their woman getting banged on the regular by other guys.

Really though, does anybody know of a serious relationship between a man and a ts woman where both are on the same financial footing? I'm sure there are some, but I've always seen where somebody's being taken care of in that scenario, be it the man or the woman. I'd love to know of a single example where that wasn't the case. Take your time...



yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:45:28 PM): I did fall in love with one... She is a full woman now... but I did a couple of years back. She was different from evrey tgirl I ever met. She made me respect transexuals so much more. She was not an escort, she went to school, she had a job and she was a very caring person. She made me see tgirls in a whole new perspective.

See, now here the guy explains an experience with that rare transsexual woman who isn't an escort or working in porn. Notice this girl made a big impression on him, whereas other transsexuals, despite maybe wanting to have a commited relationship with him instead of one as a service provider, did provide sexual services for pay, making it impossible for him to imagine dating them seriously... not that too many guys who're into seeing escorts are really interested in something serious anyway.

In any event, this guy found a transsexual woman who made him change his whole way of thinking, and he fell in love. It didn't work out in the end apparently, but the point still can't be missed... If you really want to find love, selling the ass probably doesn't help, nor does refusing to recognize that if it seems that every man or every woman is letting you down, then the problem is you. It would also help to be a caring person such as this woman was, I'm sure, but perhaps I've already asked for too much...

[rvince]

Most TS are "good to date",...

...but men don't want their family/friends to find out about it, because for all the "non TS-friendly" people, shemales are guys in drags and their BFs are gays.

[TJ347]

Most TS are "good to date",...

...but men don't want their family/friends to find out about it, because for all the "non TS-friendly" people, shemales are guys in drags and their BFs are gays.

Several people have said this, and it certainly has its merits, but there are other things to be considered that for some reason the men here are avoiding, and while I have suspicions as to why, I won't go into that, but instead just say "Grow a pair, fellas."

From my personal experiences, not that they are extensive or allow me to conclude that they represent the behavior of all transsexuals...

1.) Many ts women are exceptionally self-centered
2.) Many ts women have unpredictable mood swings
3.) Many ts women have substance abuse issues

Unscientific conclusion: Many ts women are not, in fact, relationship material, having a number of issues that are not compatible with having a stable, long-term relationship.

This is, again, my conclusion based on my experiences. Your experiences may differ. The point is, it's not always about other people's perceptions. Sometimes, it's about not wanting the drama that so many transsexuals seem to have swirling about them 24/7.

Thank you.

[peggygee]

Pre and post op, I have been in long term, mid and short term
relationships.

The men that I were involved didn't treat me as a dirty little secret, we
didn't creep on the down low. In most instances I met their friends and
families whenever appropriate.

How did I accomplish this?

Simple, I wouldn't allow them to treat me in any other manner. You treat
me with the respect and dignity that I am going to treat you with, or you
are not going to be with me...period.

So don't come looking for a booty call, don't step to me with that friends
with benefits bullshit, etc.

The panties don't drop for any Tom or Harry's dick. If you are looking for
a quickie or a jump off, I am not the one.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/pant22.jpg

So come correct or don't come at all. :smh

[Night Rider]

TJ347 u raise some good points, and i like ur honesty.

"1.) Many ts women are exceptionally self-centered
2.) Many ts women have unpredictable mood swings
3.) Many ts women have substance abuse issues"

Stating the obvious, there are also many that don't have these problems.

And also for those 3 points u could say the same for gg's...

[TsVanessa69]

TJ347 u raise some good points, and i like ur honesty.

"1.) Many ts women are exceptionally self-centered
2.) Many ts women have unpredictable mood swings
3.) Many ts women have substance abuse issues"

Stating the obvious, there are also many that don't have these problems.

And also for those 3 points u could say the same for gg's...
My point exactly
You guys can deal with a self-centered, moody female but not a trans woman? as for substance abuse, all ts are not into drugs, so I can't speak on that one being its not my thing. I do know alot of female crackheads and they all have staedy bf. So how many trans woman have you openly datedTJ347 to come to these conclusions? And all the females you have dated didn't have any of these tendancies?

[whatsupwithat]

Don't get me wrong. I like escorts and i have done business with them.

You'll never be able to build a solid foundation for a true lasting relationship until you aren't escorting anymore. That goes for GG or TS escorts.....it will never happen. :smh

i hate to say this, but i disagree. trust and honesty and openness are the basis of solid relationships. can you have that with an escort? yes. is it more difficult at times? yeah, it can be. but more often than not that difficulty has to do with one's own self esteem issues, how you perceive or feel about yourself.

in fact, i think i learned more about myself and my own internal weaknesses and doubts and fears by dating an escort.

vanessa, i am sorry about that that guy said. it was wrong, hurtful, spiteful, and, while it may be indicative of many men, it's not a portrait of all of us.

[whatsupwithat]

You think trust and honesty go hand in hand with infidelity? You're a nice guy Eric but with all due respect...i think you're telling yourself what you want to believe, which isn't the same as reality.

i've had to go through a lot of soul searching, yes. did i make myself believe it? no. it came naturally. i just don't see it as 'infidelity'.

it's a really long and personal story how i came to this place. i never thought i could. or would, for that matter. but here i am today. believing.

[TJ347]

Firstly, I agree with M77 wholeheartedly.

Secondly, yes, Night Rider, many of the problems I stated having had with the few transwomen I've known are certainly shared with countless genetic females... but we were talking about transwomen, not genetic females. That said, while I am well aware that many genetic women have these same issues, on average, I've found more transsexual women who have these issues than genetic females. Again, I can't speak on all women, because I don't know all women obviously, but I can speak on those women, both transsexual and genetic, who I do know, and what I've said holds true for them.

Lastly, Vanessa, I don't deal with self-centered, unpredictably moody females, period. Life's too short for the bullshit, you know? And again, I'm not trying to speak for every transwoman on Earth, because I certainly can't do that... I'm speaking only on those that I know. I've had a few transwomen friends in the past whose behavior was unpredictable to say the least. One would blow up if I talked to another woman for more than five seconds in her presence, even though there was never anything sexual between us. Two others developed drug problems and resorted to prostitution, and had more mental demons than you could shake a stick at well before that time. One was, so far as I'm concerned, as stable as any genetic female I've ever known, and I very briefly had a thing with her that quickly went south because she didn't know whether she wanted me as a friend or something more. I no longer talk to any of them. Besides that, I admit my experiences are limited to escorts, all of whom had one or more of the issues I previously mentioned. As far as openly dating transwomen, as I've said, I've had friends who I've hung out with publicly, but that was the extent of it. Would I openly date a transwoman? Yes, but just as is the case where genetic females are concerned, not where there's excessive baggage on their part, which, once again, is something I've found is common with the transwomen I have known.

[downblow]

TJ347 u raise some good points, and i like ur honesty.

"1.) Many ts women are exceptionally self-centered
2.) Many ts women have unpredictable mood swings
3.) Many ts women have substance abuse issues"

Stating the obvious, there are also many that don't have these problems.

And also for those 3 points u could say the same for gg's...
My point exactly
You guys can deal with a self-centered, moody female but not a trans woman? as for substance abuse, all ts are not into drugs, so I can't speak on that one being its not my thing. I do know alot of female crackheads and they all have staedy bf. So how many trans woman have you openly datedTJ347 to come to these conclusions? And all the females you have dated didn't have any of these tendancies?

I do agree with you Vanessa when you said that men will tolerate females but not trans women. From my experiences(which isn't much) I've found that trans women are very materialistic. Guys with lots of money are usually their first priority. Guys with lots of money rarely respect anyone let alone a section of society that isn't fully accepted(which is wrong). So yes they would tolerate crap from GG's but not trans women because it's socially acceptable. How do you think they made that money? By kissing ass and conforming to society's standards which is usually screw over the other guy.

If you really are looking for true love then don't concern with money or superficial things. Guys that don't have a lot of money don't have money to cheat on you with or even the time. Plus most men that don't have 75,000-1,000,000 in their bank accounts don't really give a flying damn what society thinks anyways, which means they'll love you for you and won't be ashamed to show you to everyone they know. Stay clear of the good-looking guys with no money though, they make a living from using stupid, shallow women and milking them out of their money.

Trans women are the harbingers of their own dooms. You want society to accept you, yet you disregard a section of society that accepts you and labels them as TRANNY CHASERS. Just because a guy likes trans women doesn't mean it's only about sex.

[whatsupwithat]

i've had to go through a lot of soul searching, yes. did i make myself believe it? no. it came naturally. i just don't see it as 'infidelity'.

it's a really long and personal story how i came to this place. i never thought i could. or would, for that matter. but here i am today. believing.

I still know that i am right about this.... But i suppose we'll never agree on this topic.

Oh well. :shrug

maybe we will someday. i'm still learning.

[LBCDO]

See, now here the guy explains an experience with that rare transsexual woman who isn't an escort or working in porn. Notice this girl made a big impression on him, whereas other transsexuals, despite maybe wanting to have a commited relationship with him instead of one as a service provider, did provide sexual services for pay, making it impossible for him to imagine dating them seriously... not that too many guys who're into seeing escorts are really interested in something serious anyway.


I think I gotta kind of step in here, and drop a gem. Now, there are TONS of girls out there that ARE NOT into porn. I dont know you and your experiences, but I know from talking to a lot of people online and in person that people generally feel that in order to get an idea of how many TSs are in your city is by how many Escorts they see on Eros. The world is so much bigger. I met a lot of girls who never sold any ass and looked good just like the girls you seen online. But I actually went out with a couple of girls, went to the club with them, hung out at my TS gf's house, and you meet people. Shit, one of the BADDEST TSs in ATL work at a Washington mutual in buckhead. You got to understand that its not the only way TSs make money.

But at the same time, people dog girls who escort, but where do you think the money comes from to make those nonpassable/transiioning girls passable? Mones cost money, implants cost money, surgery cost money. Im like Jay, and I always say this, cant knock the hustle...

[Quinn]

I do agree with you Vanessa when you said that men will tolerate females but not trans women. From my experiences(which isn't much) I've found that trans women are very materialistic. Guys with lots of money are usually their first priority. Guys with lots of money rarely respect anyone let alone a section of society that isn't fully accepted(which is wrong). So yes they would tolerate crap from GG's but not trans women because it's socially acceptable. How do you think they made that money? By kissing ass and conforming to society's standards which is usually screw over the other guy.

This paragraph is so rife with factually unsubstantive generalities that I don’t even know where to begin.

-Quinn

[TomSelis]

I always find these threads interesting, just from the wacky conclusions being drawn.

[alphanumeric]

well coming from my perspective, relationships require 2 to tango as it were. you ask why men dog you around, perhaps it's in the quality of the company you keep.

Vanessa you are a very beautiful and very desirable woman. and as such, I am sure you seek the same.

I haven't been into the dating scene for a long time. I'm pretty much content to just :popcorn the whole world go to hell in an greyhound express handbasket, but when I was and I'm sure if you look at any dating site for whomever or whatever you always see this little caveat.

"slim fit good looking whatever/whomever seeks same for whatever."

Now I'm a fat bastard, I am overweight, and a skin colour other than white, which keeps me from dating alot of people. something I'm sure you understand Vanessa. (the skin colour I mean :lol: ) But I treat everyone I meet with courtesy and respect, until such time as they prove they are unworthy of such, which sadly can be quite quickly. I don't smoke, drink or to drugs, I am in other words a "nice guy" and believe you me nice guys DO finish last.

I love how people say "well lose weight then" losing weight won't change who I am, all that would be would be that there would just be less of me. :lol: and if thats all that someone would require of me before dating them, then I probably wouldn't want to be with that person anyways.

my point is this try looking outside your comfort zone you may be suprised.

[TJ347]

LBCDO, I am aware that not all transwomen, or even most, are escorts or working in porn. That's why I repeatedly stated that I was only talking about the few I knew, though doing so has never once resulted in anyone here seeming to make that distinction. Anyways, of course surgery costs money, as do clothes, cars and houses. My sister had a boob job, has a car, lots of clothes, and her own home, and she didn't escort to get any of those things, so I again fail to see where anyone can believe escorting is the only option for those transwomen who seek the same. Unless doing real work is the issue...



I do agree with you Vanessa when you said that men will tolerate females but not trans women. From my experiences(which isn't much) I've found that trans women are very materialistic. Guys with lots of money are usually their first priority. Guys with lots of money rarely respect anyone let alone a section of society that isn't fully accepted(which is wrong). So yes they would tolerate crap from GG's but not trans women because it's socially acceptable. How do you think they made that money? By kissing ass and conforming to society's standards which is usually screw over the other guy.

This paragraph is so rife with factually unsubstantive generalities that I don’t even know where to begin.

-Quinn

True Quinn, but that's not exactly unusual here, now is it? :wink:

[downblow]

LBCDO, I am aware that not all transwomen, or even most, are escorts or working in porn. That's why I repeatedly stated that I was only talking about the few I knew, though doing so has never once resulted in anyone here seeming to make that distinction. Anyways, of course surgery costs money, as do clothes, cars and houses. My sister had a boob job, has a car, lots of clothes, and her own home, and she didn't escort to get any of those things, so I again fail to see where anyone can believe escorting is the only option for those transwomen who seek the same. Unless doing real work is the issue...



I do agree with you Vanessa when you said that men will tolerate females but not trans women. From my experiences(which isn't much) I've found that trans women are very materialistic. Guys with lots of money are usually their first priority. Guys with lots of money rarely respect anyone let alone a section of society that isn't fully accepted(which is wrong). So yes they would tolerate crap from GG's but not trans women because it's socially acceptable. How do you think they made that money? By kissing ass and conforming to society's standards which is usually screw over the other guy.

This paragraph is so rife with factually unsubstantive generalities that I don’t even know where to begin.

-Quinn

True Quinn, but that's not exactly unusual here, now is it? :wink:

Factually unsubstantive.........show me one example. Typical response from someone who possibly exhibits or agrees with such behaviors. It's easy to weed out the players and such, when you expose their games. If you've ever spent time with people from rich families then you'd see how true my "generalizations" are. Speaking of which, are you going to tell me you don't stereotype people? How about when you see someone who is not dressed as well as you want. Does that make them a lesser person? Who is to say what style is correct and what isn't? Everyone stereotypes in some fashion, it's people like you two that pretend they don't, you really have to watch out for. If you can lie about a basic human personality fault what other things are you lying about? Fact is, fellow forum members, "generalizations" are usually based on factual evidence. Find a guy hanging around a street corner at 3am avoiding the cops stares and the "generalization" is that he's up to something no good. Guess what, regardless of the color of their skin, that person 99.9% of the time is up to no good.

Women stereotype, men stereotype it's a human trait that in our society shouldn't work but most of the time does. People don't like it because like in most cases they don't like being exposed for their crappy behavior. You both can sit behind your computers and pretend we live in a utopia where stereotypes don't apply to anyone but the truth is, most(not all) stereotypes do apply(especially when it comes to criminal behaviors). This is the world we(meaning me and everyone not obsessed with falsities) live in.

You have almost every trans woman on here saying money is key to their relationship, yet you two both go against their words(like you know them better than they know themselves right?) and say I'm making "generalizations"? This somehow shows how intelligent you both are right? Explain how........................

No rush, eat, sleep, go for a few drinks and get back to me when you got a chance.

-Be merry fellow forum members.

[BXCanada]

TS are relatively new to the scene (a few decades) and it will take a bit of time for it to be fully accepted.

i would like to correct this before i respond, TS/shemales/ladyboys... so on and so forth have been around for centuries. as long as there have been gay men there have been effeminent males as well and many where used as sexual slaves way way way way back by so called "straight" men of the time.

in any case Yes TS are very dateable, and any guy that is embarresed to be seen with a TS girlfriend because of what is family and friends might think doesn't desirve to have a such a wonderful woman to be on his arm.

[TJ347]

Downblow, how about you take the trouble to actually read what I've said before getting all self-righteous? When did I say I that I never stereotype anybody? And where was it exactly that I ever said I believed we live in a utopia? I think you'll find that I never said either, because that wasnt' what was being discussed.

Anyway, as far as your generalizations go, if you believe stereotypes are accurate 99.9% of the time, that's your business. I'm not interested in trying to disprove that, lacking both the time and energy to do so. But with that said, I defy you to find where "almost every transwoman here" has said money is the key to her relationship. And note, if you can't find proof that the majority have said this in some form or fashion, that'll be one of your generalizations proven wrong... among a number of others that could be if one gave enough of a damn.

[Night Rider]

TS are relatively new to the scene (a few decades) and it will take a bit of time for it to be fully accepted.

i would like to correct this before i respond, TS/shemales/ladyboys... so on and so forth have been around for centuries. as long as there have been gay men there have been effeminent males as well and many where used as sexual slaves way way way way back by so called "straight" men of the time.

in any case Yes TS are very dateable, and any guy that is embarresed to be seen with a TS girlfriend because of what is family and friends might think doesn't desirve to have a such a wonderful woman to be on his arm.

What i meant to say was the TS 'scene' was relatively new...wrote this late last night! [just wanted to correct that]

I agree with ur second paragraph...

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I used to see him off and on, then one day he disapeared. No good by, nothing. Then about 6 months ago he told me he found love in a female.
yesterday he sent me an IM to tell me she moved to Chicago and they now live together.
So now he wants to chat with me, so I had to ask, as I never have asked a guy that I hung out with WHY? why are ts not good enough to date? why are we just a fling?
He shed a little light, any girls expierence simular?

Been there done that! Guys who fall out of circulation off the face of the earth only to ressurrect when he is in need I got no respect nor patience for! :evil:

I mean, how's keeping up appearance so hard to do? Phonecalls, emails, IM's from time to time (not neccessarily meeting in person) is just showing he respects and values you or your friendship to say the least. :roll:

Guys like that needs to be punished and castrated! LOL

~Kisses.

HTG

[TsVanessa69]

Sorry in advance should I piss anyone off with my unsolicited response, but speaking as a man who has dealt with escorts, I felt I could add something of value here, so here goes...



yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:38:49 PM): you are a worthy date
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:38:54 PM): thats why I charge
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:39:04 PM): I got tired of being used
SexiMami (10/23/2007 4:40:14 PM): why are you guys that way?

With all due respect, I will never understand someone who chooses of their own free will to be escort complaining about being used. I for one believe that if anyone gets "used" it's the client, but that's another issue entirely...

Why will the majority of guys not date an escort, transsexual or otherwise? Because they don't like the idea of other guys getting some ass from what's supposed to be their woman. Sure, there's the odd guy who's the exception, but ever notice these types seem to be found only as companions of your more well known transsexual escorts, and appear to overwhelmingly be kept men? I'm guessing being taken care of financially helps these dudes overlook any issues they have with their woman getting banged on the regular by other guys.

Really though, does anybody know of a serious relationship between a man and a ts woman where both are on the same financial footing? I'm sure there are some, but I've always seen where somebody's being taken care of in that scenario, be it the man or the woman. I'd love to know of a single example where that wasn't the case. Take your time...



yungbuck_2001 (10/23/2007 4:45:28 PM): I did fall in love with one... She is a full woman now... but I did a couple of years back. She was different from evrey tgirl I ever met. She made me respect transexuals so much more. She was not an escort, she went to school, she had a job and she was a very caring person. She made me see tgirls in a whole new perspective.

See, now here the guy explains an experience with that rare transsexual woman who isn't an escort or working in porn. Notice this girl made a big impression on him, whereas other transsexuals, despite maybe wanting to have a commited relationship with him instead of one as a service provider, did provide sexual services for pay, making it impossible for him to imagine dating them seriously... not that too many guys who're into seeing escorts are really interested in something serious anyway.

In any event, this guy found a transsexual woman who made him change his whole way of thinking, and he fell in love. It didn't work out in the end apparently, but the point still can't be missed... If you really want to find love, selling the ass probably doesn't help, nor does refusing to recognize that if it seems that every man or every woman is letting you down, then the problem is you. It would also help to be a caring person such as this woman was, I'm sure, but perhaps I've already asked for too much... So you are saying that because I escort, I shouldn't have a steady man in my life? I can't be happy? Does it mean I am not a caring person? Does it mean I don't have feelings?

[TsVanessa69]

LBCDO, I am aware that not all transwomen, or even most, are escorts or working in porn. That's why I repeatedly stated that I was only talking about the few I knew, though doing so has never once resulted in anyone here seeming to make that distinction. Anyways, of course surgery costs money, as do clothes, cars and houses. My sister had a boob job, has a car, lots of clothes, and her own home, and she didn't escort to get any of those things, so I again fail to see where anyone can believe escorting is the only option for those transwomen who seek the same. Unless doing real work is the issue...



I do agree with you Vanessa when you said that men will tolerate females but not trans women. From my experiences(which isn't much) I've found that trans women are very materialistic. Guys with lots of money are usually their first priority. Guys with lots of money rarely respect anyone let alone a section of society that isn't fully accepted(which is wrong). So yes they would tolerate crap from GG's but not trans women because it's socially acceptable. How do you think they made that money? By kissing ass and conforming to society's standards which is usually screw over the other guy.

This paragraph is so rife with factually unsubstantive generalities that I don’t even know where to begin.

-Quinn

True Quinn, but that's not exactly unusual here, now is it? :wink:
Escorting was a personal choice, but is not my only choice. My "job" is an entertainer, and I also have a very sucessful phoneline and webchat page going. When I was a kid I rember being asked in school being ask what I wanted to be when I grow up and I said Iris Chacon. Nobody understood, so I said the lady on tv. See Iris is a famous singer from Puerto Rico, very curvacious, with big hair, tons of feathers and beads. See I knew that was my job in life. And I was blessed to make it a reality. Some people have jobs that they are not happy with and have to do to pay the bills. I love my job. I get to entertain people, put a smile on their faces, take them into another world, for a moment they forget their problems and enjoy good quality entertainment. And I have one a few beauty pageants too. Escorting is just a side gig so to speak. Shit as slow as the business is here in Chicago, if I lived off escorting like some gals do, then it would be pretty sad.See I am a business woman, not an esort. And for the right reasons I can stop. And anybody that says escorting isn't work needs to try it. Guys can be so shallow sometimes. :roll:

[downblow]

Downblow, how about you take the trouble to actually read what I've said before getting all self-righteous? When did I say I that I never stereotype anybody? And where was it exactly that I ever said I believed we live in a utopia? I think you'll find that I never said either, because that wasnt' what was being discussed.

Anyway, as far as your generalizations go, if you believe stereotypes are accurate 99.9% of the time, that's your business. I'm not interested in trying to disprove that, lacking both the time and energy to do so. But with that said, I defy you to find where "almost every transwoman here" has said money is the key to her relationship. And note, if you can't find proof that the majority have said this in some form or fashion, that'll be one of your generalizations proven wrong... among a number of others that could be if one gave enough of a damn.

TJ347, did you not agree with the other persons point of view on my post? What do you think that person is going to say as to why they made their remark? That's stereotypes don't work and so on. That in itself is a stereotype. Don't see the connection do you? Anyways, you agreed with someone who thinks my post is full of too many "generalizations" which means that you will also agree with the persons reason for posting. Try to read in between the lines, there will always be people that want to to avoid arguing about a topic and will try to run away by writing a one lined bunch of drivel, usually aimed at trying to belittle or make fun of the other person. This is the behavior of which you agreed with, don't blame me for your actions. As for the ladies who posted their preferences...try reading their posts sometimes and I mean all of them about specific topics. Not just one answer. I haven't been on here as long as you and the others yet even I know most of the stars have jaded view points on men. How could you miss that? Hell I think you may have even brought that issue up before. Take the time to read all the answers in the posts if you really want to get to know people on here.

Now about your "generalization" in regards to me being all self rightious, I beg to differ. In absolutely NO WAY, do I think that I'm better than anyone. I think both you and I are equals along with everyone else living on this earth. You have your ideas which I respect and read. I don't think you are stupider or lesser of a person and I don't think that of any person. One thing I've learned about human nature over the years is that a persons perspective can be clouded due to certain circumstances within ones life. Sometimes it'll lead them to not look at situations realistically or to even make up things about lovers personalities that never was there to begin with. It took me many years of soul searching to finally accept the world the way it is. To see people and life in a whole new way and to accept everyone for the choices they make. I may get a tad testy on here but that's only because I can't see your faces and don't know if you're being an asshole or honest in your view points. Some people on here just like picking fights to be assholes, I'm sure you noticed that already about a few members on here......no not you so don't think that. If you thought I was being high and mighty then perhaps you see me as being better than you. I'm not, in my world we are both equals.

[TJ347]

You know what, downblow? I agree with you that most transsexual porn stars are jaded. Can I prove it statistically? No. But nonetheless, I believe it, based on what I've read here and a few other places. So, does that mean I'm generalizing based on a rather small sampling? Yes. But I'm not going to do one of your moves and announce a conclusion as to why they're jaded, because I don't know why they are. Extrapolating like that and boldly announcing a conclusion is foolish, because the conclusion in that case is not based on fact. It's like me saying that you have brown eyes, and Mike Tyson has brown eyes, and concluding therefore that both of you must have been born in the same city.

But seriously, the hell with all this. I'm not going to see your point, and you clearly aren't going to see mine, so fuck it. We'll agree to disagree. Even so, at least you have an opinion of your own, and stick to your guns. That's not exactly widespread around these parts, you know... based on my experiences.

[TJ347]

So you are saying that because I escort, I shouldn't have a steady man in my life? I can't be happy? Does it mean I am not a caring person? Does it mean I don't have feelings?

1. No, I'm saying that because you escort, having a steady man in your life is going to be harder than it would be otherwise.

2. Sure you can be happy. The question is, why aren't you? I mean you no disrespect Vanessa, but I have yet to see where any of the frustrations you have expressed has ever been attributable to any actions on your part, and in my opinion (not that it means anything to you or anyone else), this is at the root of many issues transwomen have with keeping good men when they come across them and creating stable relationships. If it takes two to tango, the man can't be the only one to take the blame. Your are part of your problem, and its only solution at the same time.

3. Not necessarily. In fact, it seems to me that you're attracted to guys who aren't looking for anything more than a booty call, which would mean you're trying to "care" for the wrong type of guys. But, I don't know you to say whether you're caring or not as a partner. I can say based on the posts I've read, that you rarely consider the other persons point of view... or, to put it another way, you refuse to consider any opinions outside of those you've already formed, which while not a good indication of whether or not you're a caring person, is an indication...

4. No, it doesn't mean that at all. You clearly have feelings, as your posts often show. And I don't mean that sarcastically.

[Quinn]

I do agree with you Vanessa when you said that men will tolerate females but not trans women. From my experiences(which isn't much) I've found that trans women are very materialistic. Guys with lots of money are usually their first priority. Guys with lots of money rarely respect anyone let alone a section of society that isn't fully accepted(which is wrong). So yes they would tolerate crap from GG's but not trans women because it's socially acceptable. How do you think they made that money? By kissing ass and conforming to society's standards which is usually screw over the other guy.

This paragraph is so rife with factually unsubstantive generalities that I don’t even know where to begin.

-Quinn

True Quinn, but that's not exactly unusual here, now is it? :wink:

Factually unsubstantive.........show me one example. Typical response from someone who possibly exhibits or agrees with such behaviors. It's easy to weed out the players and such, when you expose their games. If you've ever spent time with people from rich families then you'd see how true my "generalizations" are. Speaking of which, are you going to tell me you don't stereotype people? How about when you see someone who is not dressed as well as you want. Does that make them a lesser person?

You have almost every trans woman on here saying money is key to their relationship, yet you two both go against their words(like you know them better than they know themselves right?) and say I'm making "generalizations"? This somehow shows how intelligent you both are right? Explain how........................

Let’s see, where shall I begin? This will do:

1)

From my experiences(which isn't much) I've found that trans women are very materialistic.

You have almost every trans woman on here saying money is key to their relationship, yet you two both go against their words(like you know them better than they know themselves right?) and say I'm making "generalizations"?

It’s more than obvious that your experiences with transsexual women have, indeed, been very limited. To begin with, you do realize that HA is an adult-themed forum where many, though certainly not all, of the transsexual women are or have been in the business of escorting. For you to waste your time complaining that some women in the business of escorting would prioritize their financial dealings accordingly is akin to walking into an investment bank like Bear Sterns and complaining that everyone is discussing corporate finance. For you to then take the behavior of this select segment of the population and attribute it to all members of the population is fallacious reasoning at best and intellectually dishonest at worst.

2)

Guys with lots of money rarely respect anyone. . . .

How do you think they made that money? By kissing ass and conforming to society's standards which is usually screw over the other guy.

Which is it? Do "guys with lots of money" spend their time running around disrespecting everyone or do they spend their time running around kissing ass? Seriously, if you’re going to spend your time denigrating the wealthy, the least you could do is avoid the use of contradictory vilifications.

3)

If you've ever spent time with people from rich families then you'd see how true my "generalizations" are.

Which generalization? How about sorting out your contradictions first? Then, once you’ve picked an argument, you might want to consider providing some sort of factual support for it (a study for example) – as opposed to more poorly crafted and intellectually specious generalizations. Lastly, this statement, like so many of your other statements, relies upon unsubstantiated conclusions; that is, that I haven’t spent time with “rich families” and experienced something different or more nuanced than your crude generalization.

Look, downblow, I could go on citing examples of your imprudence in this matter, but it’s just not that important. The fact is that your basic assessment of the women on this site if far from universal in it’s applicability to them – let alone transsexual women as a whole. Taken with your other statements, the totality of your remarks comes across as bitter, and that is truly unfortunate.

-Quinn

P.S. TJ, you are right, that’s not exactly unusual around here.

[tslvr]

Vanessa, when I come to Chicago, I hope you will go on a regular date with me....you know, pizza and a movie, just a fun, real date that both people have fun with and neither gets used or abused.

[hwbs]

being in this "lifestyle" i take the good with the bad an i don't look for sympathizers because i know the deal. i def feel 4 u Vanessa because i have met and chatted with you and u come off as a real genuine person. like my friend says don't make someone a priority who thinks of u as an option. i dont consider myself an expert in ts even though most of my time here was a ltr with a few girls over these last 5 years.

trust me more bad than good has come out of these relationships. the best part is all of the friendships i have made via these girls i have dated. i don't live on the dl or have a wife and kids sitting at home.i have had a lot of bad things done to me by my gf's that even my best friends don't have a clue about these things. i also have never cheated on any of them. i personally have no interest in another one of these relationships. doesn't mean i am not open to a new relationship but i am not active in dating.

these guys just thinks life with a ts is a big porn movie.now with that said i don't regret anything really. i just think of it as a big learning experience. i am not looking for someone to feel sorry for me . i am just giving you guys a little insight from my experiences. i still have a couple girls i hook up on a reg basis. but hey i am single and can do what i want. one of these i have known for a long time and would love to date her . but i am pretty sure she has been hiding a bf , lol . well enough rambling time to get some booze b4 the sox game 1 ,lmao. LATER BITCHES !!!!!!

[TJ347]

From my experiences(which isn't much) I've found that trans women are very materialistic.

Just wanted to say that the above statement is in keeping with my experiences as well for the most part, though not in all cases. But then, the above statement is speaking about in all cases, isn't it? Nevermind... :roll:

[Night Rider]

This is a bit off topic, but it's a quote i liked that peggygee posted..

"If you can get a tranwomen to
open her heart, and to trust you, you will have found one of the most
intense lovers you will ever know".

I've never had a relationship with a ts, and as crazy as it seems, i believe this. Must be intuition or something :roll: (or maybe i've just had a taste from escorts)

My point is these women are hard to come by and i don't think we truely appreciate them. Mentally, they seem to have the best qualities of men and women. Sure they can be a bit emotional sometimes, bc of the hormones, but all women have mood swings.

Anyway, back to topic....

[mbf]

well, here is a guys perspective....

a ts can have a relationship with me any time, just please have the following qualities:

A) pls dont look like quasimodos ugly sister (yes, its shallow, but looks DO count)

B) dont do drugs

thats all I expect.

escorting or other forms of participation in the sex-trade are debatable, as long as the TS in question shows a real, plausible effort to enter a different career before the age of 30-35.

you can be a drama queen, I quite like that actully, but dont expect me to put up with too much BS, especially your insecurities.

@the ladies directly: if you REALLY want a ltr with a "good man", drop the "all men are pigs"-attitude. you know who you are, and its expressed quite regurarly on this forum, and it need not be explicitly stated. reading between the lines will show this disposition as well. If you think like that, you will automatically chose an ass - subcounsciously - just to further reinforce your stereotype.

Its definitely NOT always the mens fault relationships dont work, the girls have to take the blame as well.

*pseudo rant over*

(and yes, I ve been in a ltr with a TS, and I dotn regret anything )

[werwt22]

TJ you make a lot of good points. Especially the original one. Kudos =D.

As for Vanessa TS women are good enough to date. Though me personally, as well as a few others, will never date a TS that continues to escort. Quite franky I dont give a damn whether any escort considers it business or pleasure.....fucking someone else is fucking someone else and I cant get down with someone I love and care for sleeping with other men. Whether you choose to believe it or not, it drives a wedge in between you and a potential boyfriend getting close to you. Just the thought of it drives me crazy if I chose to take it that far with an escort. Odds are pretty low you wont get any decent relationship or more than a fling out of it til you stop. You probably have no clue how many guys that drives away as far as LTR.

[downblow]

You know what, downblow? I agree with you that most transsexual porn stars are jaded. Can I prove it statistically? No. But nonetheless, I believe it, based on what I've read here and a few other places. So, does that mean I'm generalizing based on a rather small sampling? Yes. But I'm not going to do one of your moves and announce a conclusion as to why they're jaded, because I don't know why they are. Extrapolating like that and boldly announcing a conclusion is foolish, because the conclusion in that case is not based on fact. It's like me saying that you have brown eyes, and Mike Tyson has brown eyes, and concluding therefore that both of you must have been born in the same city.

But seriously, the hell with all this. I'm not going to see your point, and you clearly aren't going to see mine, so fuck it. We'll agree to disagree. Even so, at least you have an opinion of your own, and stick to your guns. That's not exactly widespread around these parts, you know... based on my experiences.

I'll agree with you on the "We'll agree to disagree" point.

[downblow]

Dear Quinn,


"It’s more than obvious that your experiences with transsexual women have, indeed, been very limited. To begin with, you do realize that HA is an adult-themed forum where many, though certainly not all, of the transsexual women are or have been in the business of escorting. For you to waste your time complaining that some women in the business of escorting would prioritize their financial dealings accordingly is akin to walking into an investment bank like Bear Sterns and complaining that everyone is discussing corporate finance. For you to then take the behavior of this select segment of the population and attribute it to all members of the population is fallacious reasoning at best and intellectually dishonest at worst."

-Oh the big words are coming out now are they? Far from your usual pathetic one line posts I see. Trying to work your way up in the world are we:) Please, PLEASE show me where I said the escorts cannot have a relationship? Just because they work within the sex industry it doesn't mean they should not be in a trusting relationship. Seems to me that you think sex workers are not entitled to an honest relationship. That's very sad Quinn. Isn't it funny how you complain about all my non-factual "generalizations", and yet you can't seem to find reasonable faults with what I wrote. I learned years ago, that people who either back out or won't raise VALID points to pursue their opinion(s) aren't really as smart as they think. Usually those children are the big worded, big mouthed type. Do you know anyone like that Quinn? Here's a hint take a look into your mirror my fellow forum member.



"Which is it? Do "guys with lots of money" spend their time running around disrespecting everyone or do they spend their time running around kissing ass? Seriously, if you’re going to spend your time denigrating the wealthy, the least you could do is avoid the use of contradictory vilifications."

-Do you have any experience working at all Quinn or does mommy and daddy feed you? Try working one day in your sad, pompous life and you'll see that kiss asses rarely respect anyone. First of all, it's nothing but disrespect when you lie to someones face, but I guess you don't see that right? Secondly, if you ever worked in an office, you'd know that the more well off people are usually the more snobbier and superficial people that look down upon poorer people. So apparently to you rich people can't have both personality traits right? Do you think everyone in this world is as one dimensional as you Quinn?


"Which generalization? How about sorting out your contradictions first? Then, once you’ve picked an argument, you might want to consider providing some sort of factual support for it (a study for example) – as opposed to more poorly crafted and intellectually specious generalizations. Lastly, this statement, like so many of your other statements, relies upon unsubstantiated conclusions; that is, that I haven’t spent time with “rich families” and experienced something different or more nuanced than your crude generalization."

-As I stated before Quinn, give me an example. I provided several examples on how "generalizations" are used within our society. From catching criminals to hiring the right person. Down to the lowest common denominator which is sex. There never can be a factual statement when it comes to personal experiences, but what others can do is come to a conclusion based on others experiences as well as your own. If you see a guy acting strangely and he has what looks like a gun in his coat pocket, do you still walk near him? Or do you cross the street? The "GENERALIZATION" in this matter says.......Avoid at all costs. If I lived life in your utopia then I would stay on the same side as him and possibly be assaulted or shot. Unfactual "generalizations" is a part of our society, like your friend tj, you both seem unable to understand this point. Which means either you are the victim of generalizations or feel that they belittle you in some way. Sad really that you'd let it affect both of you so.

"Look, downblow, I could go on citing examples of your imprudence in this matter, but it’s just not that important. The fact is that your basic assessment of the women on this site if far from universal in it’s applicability to them – let alone transsexual women as a whole. Taken with your other statements, the totality of your remarks comes across as bitter, and that is truly unfortunate."

-And yet you fail to see how something as simple as "generalizations" plays such a huge part within our society. No Quinn, what's sad is your inability to voice your opinion in a productive and logical way. Your attitude and demeanor is typical of someone who gets off belittling others because their vocabulary is not as potent as yours. Well what did your vocabulary prove here Quinn? That all you are is nothing but hot wind. Your arguments are full of accusations but nothing to back it up. In the end, all you are is a simple one lined remark. Which goes on to show not only childishness but arrogance. This makes you better than everyone else right? Oh how extremely disappointed your parents would be with your behavior on here Quinn.

Stay well my fellow forum member and may you know one day that inner peace doesn't come from being arrogant but from accepting all as equals and listening(in full, not just the parts you want to pick apart) without bias to their arguments.

-Downblow

ps---"Don't you realize that there are enough people to hate in the world already without your working so hard to give us another?"

[Quinn]

Dear Quinn,


"It’s more than obvious that your experiences with transsexual women have, indeed, been very limited. To begin with, you do realize that HA is an adult-themed forum where many, though certainly not all, of the transsexual women are or have been in the business of escorting. For you to waste your time complaining that some women in the business of escorting would prioritize their financial dealings accordingly is akin to walking into an investment bank like Bear Sterns and complaining that everyone is discussing corporate finance. For you to then take the behavior of this select segment of the population and attribute it to all members of the population is fallacious reasoning at best and intellectually dishonest at worst."

-Oh the big words are coming out now are they? Far from your usual pathetic one line posts I see. Trying to work your way up in the world are we:) Please, PLEASE show me where I said the escorts cannot have a relationship? Just because they work within the sex industry it doesn't mean they should not be in a trusting relationship. Seems to me that you think sex workers are not entitled to an honest relationship. That's very sad Quinn. Isn't it funny how you complain about all my non-factual "generalizations", and yet you can't seem to find reasonable faults with what I wrote. I learned years ago, that people who either back out or won't raise VALID points to pursue their opinion(s) aren't really as smart as they think. Usually those children are the big worded, big mouthed type. Do you know anyone like that Quinn? Here's a hint take a look into your mirror my fellow forum member.



"Which is it? Do "guys with lots of money" spend their time running around disrespecting everyone or do they spend their time running around kissing ass? Seriously, if you’re going to spend your time denigrating the wealthy, the least you could do is avoid the use of contradictory vilifications."

-Do you have any experience working at all Quinn or does mommy and daddy feed you? Try working one day in your sad, pompous life and you'll see that kiss asses rarely respect anyone. First of all, it's nothing but disrespect when you lie to someones face, but I guess you don't see that right? Secondly, if you ever worked in an office, you'd know that the more well off people are usually the more snobbier and superficial people that look down upon poorer people. So apparently to you rich people can't have both personality traits right? Do you think everyone in this world is as one dimensional as you Quinn?


"Which generalization? How about sorting out your contradictions first? Then, once you’ve picked an argument, you might want to consider providing some sort of factual support for it (a study for example) – as opposed to more poorly crafted and intellectually specious generalizations. Lastly, this statement, like so many of your other statements, relies upon unsubstantiated conclusions; that is, that I haven’t spent time with “rich families” and experienced something different or more nuanced than your crude generalization."

-As I stated before Quinn, give me an example. I provided several examples on how "generalizations" are used within our society. From catching criminals to hiring the right person. Down to the lowest common denominator which is sex. There never can be a factual statement when it comes to personal experiences, but what others can do is come to a conclusion based on others experiences as well as your own. If you see a guy acting strangely and he has what looks like a gun in his coat pocket, do you still walk near him? Or do you cross the street? The "GENERALIZATION" in this matter says.......Avoid at all costs. If I lived life in your utopia then I would stay on the same side as him and possibly be assaulted or shot. Unfactual "generalizations" is a part of our society, like your friend tj, you both seem unable to understand this point. Which means either you are the victim of generalizations or feel that they belittle you in some way. Sad really that you'd let it affect both of you so.

"Look, downblow, I could go on citing examples of your imprudence in this matter, but it’s just not that important. The fact is that your basic assessment of the women on this site if far from universal in it’s applicability to them – let alone transsexual women as a whole. Taken with your other statements, the totality of your remarks comes across as bitter, and that is truly unfortunate."

-And yet you fail to see how something as simple as "generalizations" plays such a huge part within our society. No Quinn, what's sad is your inability to voice your opinion in a productive and logical way. Your attitude and demeanor is typical of someone who gets off belittling others because their vocabulary is not as potent as yours. Well what did your vocabulary prove here Quinn? That all you are is nothing but hot wind. Your arguments are full of accusations but nothing to back it up. In the end, all you are is a simple one lined remark. Which goes on to show not only childishness but arrogance. This makes you better than everyone else right? Oh how extremely disappointed your parents would be with your behavior on here Quinn.

Stay well my fellow forum member and may you know one day that inner peace doesn't come from being arrogant but from accepting all as equals and listening(in full, not just the parts you want to pick apart) without bias to their arguments.

-Downblow

ps---"Don't you realize that there are enough people to hate in the world already without your working so hard to give us another?"

Downblow, at this point, it's clear that objective thought supported by logical conclusions just isn't part of your "intellectual" process. Given your seeming bitterness and obvious lack of prudence, all I can do at this point is offer you the advice of a simple, tragically appropriate adage:

"It is better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

-Quinn

[TJ347]

a ts can have a relationship with me any time, just please have the following qualities:

A) pls dont look like quasimodos ugly sister (yes, its shallow, but looks DO count)

B) dont do drugs

thats all I expect.


Wow! That's all you expect? :shock:

That's just the start for me, but to each his own. Maybe I'm just too picky, what with wanting a woman who's faithful, mentally stable, affectionate, respectful, dignified, legally employed and all. Maybe I should just cut the list down to "don't do drugs", and see what I get... :wink:

[Felicia Katt]

well, here is a guys perspective....

a ts can have a relationship with me any time, just please have the following qualities:

A) pls dont look like quasimodos ugly sister (yes, its shallow, but looks DO count)

B) dont do drugs

thats all I expect.



what about

c)carbon based

d)mammalian

LOL

meow

FK

[Night Rider]

well, here is a guys perspective....

a ts can have a relationship with me any time, just please have the following qualities:

A) pls dont look like quasimodos ugly sister (yes, its shallow, but looks DO count)

B) dont do drugs

thats all I expect.




what about

c)carbon based

d)mammalian

LOL

meow

FK

what about

e) has all her teeth

f) has a pulse

[wombat33]

Well, I have seena bunch of Escorts and a few non escorts.
A while back I was seeing a Tgirl on a regular basis. I was pretty much in love with her. I loved her look, the sex, the friendship, the laughter, and wanted her to be a big part of my life. She told me she really liked me as she likes big guys ( I am 6'2") and she was always attracted to white guys.

Things went really well. However I was NOT afraid to bring her out in public and even invited her to come out with friends of mine and once to a family reunion picnic. She told me what if people realizze her? I told her we just live out life and whoever knows.......knows.

It was HER that was not comfortable with it. She was the one who did not want to makeit all public. SHe was a part time escort here and there.

Anyway. I would have given in my all and made her my public angel if she was willing. Sad.

[2Kaiser]

Trans girls are a fetish, a curiosity. Nothing more nothing less.

[Night Rider]

Trans girls are a fetish, a curiosity. Nothing more nothing less.

Maybe for a shallow perverted guy like u, who puts a cock pic up for an avatar :lol:

[TsVanessa69]

Well, I have seena bunch of Escorts and a few non escorts.
A while back I was seeing a Tgirl on a regular basis. I was pretty much in love with her. I loved her look, the sex, the friendship, the laughter, and wanted her to be a big part of my life. She told me she really liked me as she likes big guys ( I am 6'2") and she was always attracted to white guys.

Things went really well. However I was NOT afraid to bring her out in public and even invited her to come out with friends of mine and once to a family reunion picnic. She told me what if people realizze her? I told her we just live out life and whoever knows.......knows.

It was HER that was not comfortable with it. She was the one who did not want to makeit all public. SHe was a part time escort here and there.

Anyway. I would have given in my all and made her my public angel if she was willing. Sad. Wow, it guess it does happen on both ends. Too bad for her. One day she will realize that men like you are one in a million.

[2Kaiser]

Trans girls are a fetish, a curiosity. Nothing more nothing less.

Maybe for a shallow perverted guy like u, who puts a cock pic up for an avatar :lol:

Reference my new avatar.

Thanks.

P.S. Stop stalking me fag.

[Night Rider]

Reference my new avatar.

Thanks.

P.S. Stop stalking me fag.

Stalking u??? :o

I think u need to lay off the weed...this is a forum

http://www.ashido.com/luigiscans/paranoid.JPG

[TsVanessa69]

Trans girls are a fetish, a curiosity. Nothing more nothing less.What an ignorant thing to say. Very ignorant and hateful.Mother fuck you bastard. :crap

[mbf]

a ts can have a relationship with me any time, just please have the following qualities:

A) pls dont look like quasimodos ugly sister (yes, its shallow, but looks DO count)

B) dont do drugs

thats all I expect.


Wow! That's all you expect? :shock:



well, I am not quite the prize pig myself so I have to aim real low.... :cry:

[mbf]

what about

c)carbon based

meow

FK

well, some of those biological entities are - at least partially - silicon based.... :shock:

[JohnnyVee]

A cool topic, belated response

Speaking for myself, but I'm sure there may be another man to two who are like me -- who are very good at denial -- their desire (TG) is what is comes natural to them, while at the same time they still hold open the dream that mom, dad, or their friends expected for them. I think for some guys they are unable to let go of the white picket fence so they're willing to stick the big toe into the pool.

Sadly it took another failed GG relationship for me to finally realize it was time to be honest about my own desires -- not only for myself but to stop lying. From that point on I stopped dating GG. It felt like a ton of brinks came off my shoulders. Life is too damn short for the BS.

[qeuqheeg222]

you know this topic is too hot for me to stay away from...i had moe than a couple very out in the open,public long term relationships with transwomen.to where they would come by my work,or house,meet my family or me meet theirs,hangin with mutual friends and the such..it is not that hard if you find the right person who is open minded and acceptin enough of the ts lifestyle..
however the drugs and the insanity that can come down are very difficult and people involved in these relationships need to make their beds and sleep in them...and really the escort thing is a huge problem on both sides!! i dated a ts who had a part time escort thing goin but was insanely jealous of any,i mean any female friends or even contact i had..it was ridiculous....