COP PEPPER SPRAYS and PUNCHES Girl During CURFEW arrest

[Kriss]

This makes me sick, and people try to tell me that the police are not racist thugs

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/051007_curfew_arrest.htm

[cockcraver]

cops like that deserve to get seriously beaten up...i mean the girl was resisting but that was just crazy! and they wonder why theyve a bad name!!

[SarahG]

As much as I detest Alex Jone's tinfoil hat conspiracy theories, I can't help but agree with his position on law enforcement ethics.

[cockcraver]

she was a 15yo girl and he used UNECCESSARY force...(obviously racist) if he was the only cop there and id a baseball bat id break it over his head....and he'd deserve it

[Kriss]

More racist thugs in power! School Guards Break Child's Arm And Arrest Her For Dropping Cake after he made her go back and clear it up 3 TIMES!
He then called her 'nappy head' andbust her arm!

http://www.infowars.net/articles/september2007/280907Cake.htm

[Legend]

The police are nothing more then power hungry thugs that should be avoided at all costs.I bet you this doesn't give half the media attention as the "don't tase me,bro" clown for obvious reasons.

[BBaggins06]

YEEHAW!! Alright, why stop with just cops? All transsexuals are escorts, every guy here is a cock hungry tranny chaser. Every black person is a drug dealer, all asian men have small dicks, jews are cheap and secretly control the world. Every native american is a drunk and all baseball players take steriods.

Threads like this make me sick. Mahalo

Matt

[wombat33]

This makes me sick, and people try to tell me that the police are not racist thugs

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/051007_curfew_arrest.htm



I am fine with what she got. If she was off the street when she was supposed to be.........problem solved.


Then.......all she had to do was go along with the request to put her hands behind her back and she constantly refused after 100 requests.

Then when he has no choice to use force, she bites him. At that point she deserved to get punched and pepper sprayed. I am on the cops side here.

I also do not think race has anything to do with this.

I am usually not on the cops side in cases like "41 shots" and (sp?) amadu dialo. Those cops should rot in hell.

But here..........the law is the law. I don't care what race, what sex, or what age you are.

I'd thank him for doing his job.

[Kriss]

MORE Police Stupidity/Brutality caught on tape!!!

COP maces INNOCENT girl in burger bar after insisting that she short changed him yet we can clearly see on the unedited cctv tape that she did not AND her manager checked the till and found no $20 bills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaHyuWgir8U&mode=related&search=

what a moron, this cop will surely make sergent

[TJT]

I spent three days in grown-up jail for a curfew violation when I was 15. Friday night arrest,no judge in until Monday, a lovely weekend.

You wanna know what it was like to be a long haired 15 year old kid locked up w/ a bunch of cons and drunk rednecks in the South in 1971? It ain't fun. The ass-whuppin' I got from the cops before I got there was the easy part.

[Kriss]

...all she had to do was go along with the request to put her hands behind her back and she constantly refused after 100 requests.


Why was there a need to cuff her? the REALITY is that black people know that if they go into the back of that car, for whatever reason, they may end up beaten, abused or dead and it will hit the news for a day but not one copper will be held accountable for his actions. And that is here in the U.K. and I KNOW it's worse in the states.


I am fine with what she got. If she was off the street when she was supposed to be.........problem solved.

HE PUNCHED HER IN THE HEAD!!! What kind of society allows this?

AND WHY WAS THERE A CURFEW? A FUCKING CURFEW! IN 2007. IN AMERICA! WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE WORLD?


But here..........the law is the law. I don't care what race, what sex, or what age you are. I'd thank him for doing his job.

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Jude.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

[Kriss]

Mob of Police beat down a 63 year old man...

Then shove, threaten and intimidate news reporters filming the incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6BsZUuZmr4

[Kriss]

would you want your underage daughter to be able to traipse across the city at any hour?

But I should decide that, NOT the police

[Kriss]

would you want your underage daughter to be able to traipse across the city at any hour?

But I should decide that, NOT the police

actually, no, you shouldn't decide that...laws that protect minors exist for a reason...if you think your underage daughter should do porn, that ISN'T your choice...

fuck off smart arse

[Kriss]

New york cops beat peaceful Jewish protesters

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4980935547382643974&q=cops+beat&lr=lang_en&total=841&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

Cops beat down Jews in Boro Park

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2748447830672822788

[Kriss]

OUT OF CONTROL cops randomly beating citizens

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6640466590399130384

[General124]

Mob of Police beat down a 63 year old man...

Then shove, threaten and intimidate news reporters filming the incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6BsZUuZmr4

And guess what? They got off in July. One of the four killed himself. Although drug tests proved the old man was not drunk (no alcohol in the blood at all), the judge found the officers all not guilty. His justification in releasing them was that had the man not resisted, he wouldn't have gotten beat up. What the fuck is wrong with that picture?

[tsafficianado]

kriss, get your head out of your ass.
please, kriss, get your head out of your ass.
sir, please, you need to dislodge your head from your rectum.
please, i don't want to hurt you, get your head out of your ass.
your head's in your ass, you have to remove it.
please kriss, get your head out of your ass.
you have to pull your head out, come on sir.
if you don't pull your head out of your ass i'll have to use force.
please, pull your head out of your ass.
i don't want to have to use force, just pull it out, please.
come on sir, pull your head out of your ass.
you're going to have to pull it out, don't make me force you.
sir, if you don't pull your head out of your ass i'll have to use force.
please kriss, slide your head out of your ass.
sir, i don't want to use force, just pull your head out of your ass.
come on, please kriss, pop your head out of your ass.
oh, never mind, just leave it in.

you idiots used to be stupid enough to think the news was the news. now you think youtube is the news.

[Kriss]

i love cops, this is me and my buddy officer night-stick......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViCCbqieLoM&mode=related&search=

[SarahG]

I am fine with what she got. If she was off the street when she was supposed to be.........problem solved.

Yea, because god knows everytime the cops accuse someone of breaking the law, they're right. I mean no one has ever, ever been falsely accused under our system, let alone convicted... right?



Then.......all she had to do was go along with the request to put her hands behind her back and she constantly refused after 100 requests.

Then when he has no choice to use force, she bites him. At that point she deserved to get punched and pepper sprayed. I am on the cops side here.


No cop with proper training is going to respond that harshly just because the minor refused to put her hands behind her back.

I agree with you that her biting him gave the cop the excuse he needed to respond physically- in that sense you're correct IMO. That was the defining moment.



But here..........the law is the law. I don't care what race, what sex, or what age you are.

I'd thank him for doing his job.

Agreed.... but just because the law is the law doesn't mean that police get to ignore protocol and training whenever they suspect someone is "doing something bad"

The cops aren't lawyers and law enforcement will always trample civil liberties if given the freedom to do whatever they please. This is not a fault per say, its just an understandable characteristic.

The legal system is about order, it is not about justice. There will be people who were innocent who will be convicted, there will be people who were guilty who will be let off.

If you're job is to deal with scum all day, every day- then it only stands to reason that a cop is gonna want to go out side of the system to "deal with it." If a cop truly believes a given person goes around raping lil kids, but can't get a conviction- then to go beyond the system to act as a judge, jury and executioner is not surprising. What separates a good cop from a bad cop is that a bad cop will resort to this street [in]justice while a good cop knows that the system isn't gonna catch everyone and will respect the civil liberties of the good, the bad, and the inbetween.

Our system is based on checks and balances, it requires it- there simply is no excuse for having ANY kind of law enforcement unchecked to do as they please... even if their intentions are good and their mission statement honorable.

[justatransgirl]

Before I transitioned I had a great deal of respect for the police. I spent 8 years as a photographer for a major mens magazine. I have 2 good friends who are cops, and I used to know a number socially. I actually was once a harbor patrol / lifeguard officer myself for a summer in college.

Since my transition 3 years ago, the ONLY people I've met (other than two homeless homophobic drunks) who have been unaccepting, hatefull, bigotted mean people to me were cops and one Emergency Room experience.

Other than the drunks asking if I was a man - I've never had anyone make a derrogatory comment to me. Except cops - and same with Jessica - the sweetest kindest young girl on the planet - I've hear dcops call her nasty vile things, "he, him, it, boy, faggot, all the hate words.

They are PSYCHOS with guns.

And if there are any cops who ARE worth a shit - and if they ever read this - WHY haven't YOU done anything to stop this kind of treatement of people in your departments?

I would say the #1 threat to us a transgendered people are the police. I would say we really don't need to worry about job discrimination - we need to demand the police and courts give us equal and fair treatment and stop beating and killing us and throwing us to the wolves in the male jails.

But we are all so busy trying to survive in our own little worlds that we all end up fighting our wars alone, and losing.

If I could do one thing for our community I would like to bring us all together as a single voice. So that when one of us - even the most strung out drug addicted street whore - is killed or beaten by police they would have 10,000 people on their ass demanding justice.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[El Nino]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1964707186772642906

5 ignorant cops murder an innocent man... taser him for over a minute, right over the heart, even though he was already subdued. These men will someday pay for their repugnant acts by the hands of the almighty authority. Police brutality is an epidemic in this country. Abuse of local laws all the way up to the Constitution. We the people will put an end to this. Watch the fucking video

[cockcraver]

[TJT wrote:
I spent three days in grown-up jail for a curfew violation when I was 15. Friday night arrest,no judge in until Monday, a lovely weekend.]

Hope u had a tight grip of the soap :shock: :shock:

[SmashysmashY]

would you want your underage daughter to be able to traipse across the city at any hour?

But I should decide that, NOT the police

actually, no, you shouldn't decide that...laws that protect minors exist for a reason...if you think your underage daughter should do porn, that ISN'T your choice...

that's a brilliant deduction sherlock. curfews are there to keep minors from being hurt so if minors break curfew punch them in the face and mace them. are you really going to argue from this position or were you just trying to amuse me?

[InHouston]

That little brat got exactly what she was asking for. Had her parents whipped her little spoiled ass when she was younger, she wouldn't be trying to kick and whine her way out of being arrested.

I'm behind the police all the way, and I think it's ridiculous how you people take the side of a spoiled-ass brat teenager who acts her shoe size rather than her age. Look at how she's acting! If that was my daughter I would be absolutely embarrassed by her behavior. It's ridiculous! The only bad thing in that video is what the judge is going to think of her when he sees it. It will be obvious to the judge that she doesn't give a rat's ass about the law, and that she doesn't feel responsible for her actions. She's gonna get the book thrown at her.

Youngsters these days just don't have near the level of respect for authority and elders like they used to. If you people pay attention to the video, it's difficult to get someone's arm behind their back when you're behind them and their elbows are bent and tucked in front of the their chest. That's give her a lot of leverage to squirm and resist the handcuffs. Now, he could have used brute force to get her arms behind her back, but she's a thin girl and he repeatedly explained that he didn't want to hurt her by using more force, so he pepper-sprayed her ... after she bit him ... that little bitch. Whoop-tee-fucking-do. And what do you know? It worked.

Wake up people. You people bitch about cops being the bad guys, yet their the first ones you call when you're in danger.

Morons!

[InHouston]

she was a 15yo girl and he used UNECCESSARY force...(obviously racist) if he was the only cop there and id a baseball bat id break it over his head....and he'd deserve it

Oh Yeah ... you're a very compassionate person aren't you? Just walk up and bash the man in the skull with a bat for trying to arrest a whiny teenager who obviously gets her way with her parents by kicking and screaming. And the cop is probably married and with children at that. Yeah, you're a real upstanding human being. In case you didn't realize, his brain is there in his skull and you'd probably kill him, or severely cripple him. I'll tell you what would happen if you did that, you would have been shot dead where you stand too, and you'd deserve it.

Friggin prick.

[SarahG]

That little brat got exactly what she was asking for. Had her parents whipped her little spoiled ass when she was younger, she wouldn't be trying to kick and whine her way out of being arrested.
Morons!

Of course, everyone knows how kids that are beaten into submission by their parents never ever do anything wrong or illegal :roll:

The most fucked up guys i've ever met had parents that were "strict." There is more to human behavior than aversion therapy.

[El Nino]

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com

Watch it

[rawrr]

This makes me sick, and people try to tell me that the police are not racist thugs

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/051007_curfew_arrest.htm

Lol this thread is so dumb, racist I think not, I just hate it when people cry racist at every opporuity so that others get into trouble. God this world is so PC at times.

[tsntx]

personally, flame me all you want, but i dont think he acted any other way then he would anyone else FORCEFULLY resisting arrest and then biting him... he wasnt beating her to a pulp, he stayed calm, he referred to her as miss the whole time, she was resisting and obviously if he wanted to hurt her, like he said he didnt, he could have easily forced her hands behind her back... he was trying not to break her arms, like he said bc she was so fragile.... she then bit him and he sprayed her w/ pepper spray... someone bites me i punch them... shes lucky... he has size and a billy club all he did was spray her... she was in the wrong -j

[Legend]

personally, flame me all you want, but i dont think he acted any other way then he would anyone else FORCEFULLY resisting arrest and then biting him... he wasnt beating her to a pulp, he stayed calm, he referred to her as miss the whole time, she was resisting and obviously if he wanted to hurt her, like he said he didnt, he could have easily forced her hands behind her back... he was trying not to break her arms, like he said bc she was so fragile.... she then bit him and he sprayed her w/ pepper spray... someone bites me i punch them... shes lucky... he has size and a billy club all he did was spray her... she was in the wrong -j

Thats you opinion and no one should flame you for it even if they disagree,what i posted earlier is what i think of police in general thats why they should be avoided at all costs.In this sitution i think the resistance should have been avioded by the girl but the use of excessive force by the officer could have been avioded to.

[Kriss]

Since my transition 3 years ago, the ONLY people I've met (other than two homeless homophobic drunks) who have been unaccepting, hatefull, bigotted mean people to me were cops

The "two homeless homophobic drunks" were probably off-duty cops

[Night Rider]

It would've been interesting to see if she was white..He didn't do anything illegal but he didn't need to punch her in the face and then pepperspray her eyes. If a 15yo girl bit me I would restrain her and be rough but I definately wouldn't punch her in the face (even though i'd really want to) And the fact that she was so young and skinny I don't think the cop was trying that hard to put her cuffs on but trying to just piss her off basically by bending her arms behind her back. Either that or he wasn't doing his job right bc he could've easily put the cuffs on without all that effort. Trust me I've family in the police and they tell me there are a lot of low life fucks corrupting it. Pigs like that deserve to run in to a few gangsters when they're off duty!

[Kriss]

Look at how she's acting! It's ridiculous! Youngsters these days just don't have near the level of respect for authority and elders like they used to.

The girl is TERRIFIED because she is being arrested/abducted by an overly agressive bully of a cop and she WILL know of people who have been beaten/framed/killed by cops in her own town. Why did he need to cuff her in the first place?

Cops Admit To Planting Marijuana on 92 Year Old Woman Killed in Botched Drug Raid........

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/300407raid.htm

http://www.mpp.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=glKZLeMQIsG&b=1847069&ct=3829713

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20070629-0322-elderlyshootout.html

[slinky]

personally, flame me all you want, but i dont think he acted any other way then he would anyone else FORCEFULLY resisting arrest and then biting him... he wasnt beating her to a pulp, he stayed calm, he referred to her as miss the whole time, she was resisting and obviously if he wanted to hurt her, like he said he didnt, he could have easily forced her hands behind her back... he was trying not to break her arms, like he said bc she was so fragile.... she then bit him and he sprayed her w/ pepper spray... someone bites me i punch them... shes lucky... he has size and a billy club all he did was spray her... she was in the wrong -j

Have to agree with this.

[slinky]

BTW: one thing that any parent absolutely needs to teach their kids*:

If you EVER get stopped by police:
Don't smart mouth them, don't resist them physically, speak respectfully and know your rights. As soon as they are able to understand what's printed on it, hand them the ACLU bust card.

http://www.aclu.org/racialjustice/racialprofiling/15865pub20040714.html


* kids today are so used to smart mouthing their parents, their teachers, and anyone else in a position of authority that they don't realise the police are different in that they actually can and will "put their hands on them". And this doesn't stop with kids..............

[Kriss]

i dont think he acted any other way then he would anyone else FORCEFULLY resisting arrest

Now this is an excellent example of doublethink.
The way our language has been twisted and subverted by 'newspeak'.

Goverment propagated phrases that totally contradict and invert the true
meaning of the words.

Phrases like "FRIENDLY FIRE" to describe shooting to death soldiers in your own or allied armies.

My favourite is "NATIONAL SECURITY", every move the government make to increase of strengthen your "national security" just makes the people feel more under THREAT and LESS SECURE. More distrusing of your neighbours. The only 'terrorists' are ones trained by MI5 and CIA (for your 'national security') .

Now this "FORCEFULLY RESISTING" is a great one. It is such a cointradiction that it is the best example of newspeak and police state doublethink.

The word RESISTING by its very use implies that an EQUAL OR GREATER force must first exist for there to be any resistance. Electrical current is turned into power by the use of resistance, to regulate this force. Similarly with an old fashioned water-mill, the wheel is turned by the current of the river and the ENERGY is produced by
the wheel RESISTING the flow of the water, The same principle applies with hydro-electric power, using the rushing 'falls' in DAMS to turn turbines that generate electric current. But we cannot use resistance to make energy unless the FORCE is ALREADY THERE.

The phrase "forcefully resisting" implys that the girl was somehow in a dominant position of power, But to RESIST the must ALREADY be a GREATER force in existance to resist against. If she is resisting at all then the opposing force MUST be GREATER and more forceful than her. When she applies a greater FORCE than the EXISTING force then she ceases to be resisting, she would st that point OVERCOME and we did not see that once in the video.

MORE POLICE STATE NEWSPEAK......

Affirmative Action / Racial Discrimination - Both mean "preferential treatment for a particular race". However, the first is mandated by law and the second in illegal.

Civilian Casualties / Collateral damage - Other countries kill their own citizens... America only damages them.

[Kriss]

p she then bit him and he sprayed her w/ pepper spray... all he did was spray her...

Actually the pig PUNCHED HER IN THE HEAD and THEN he sprayed her in the face. The spray was NOT all the cowardly pig did. Did you forget that bit or just not see it?

WATCH THIS EXCELLENT SHORT CLIP ABOUT MIS-DIRECTION......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxBroBF-uKI

[TJT]

[TJT wrote:
I spent three days in grown-up jail for a curfew violation when I was 15. Friday night arrest,no judge in until Monday, a lovely weekend.]

Hope u had a tight grip of the soap :shock: :shock:

LOL. About a half hour in I had a jailer slip me a razor blade and say,"Don't be afraid to use it when the lights go out."

[Kriss]

I'd love to see how you armchair revolutionists would react to an apocalyptic world without police and structure, where it would be survival of the fittest...some of you don't even realize how utterly stupid you sound...you are living in cartoon land...

Geezer, the last thing I want is yet ANOTHER REVOLUTION.
A RE-VOLUTION is simply a cycle, the perpetual turning an REturning to the SAME position.

A REVOLUTION only affects those in power, ONLY government can lose or benefit from revolution, life for the masses at the bottom remain unchanged.

I propose EVOLUTION. revolution is just a change of leadership that inhibit EVOLUTION, THE evoling nature of the PEOPLE.

BUT a good point is raised that we have become regressive and DE-VOLVED rather than E-VOLVED , we have all this great instant food but less and less of us can cook, who knows how to sucessfully grow food? Even our farmers have become so dependant on fertilisers and addittives and fungicides and pesticide and industry methods. How many of us could catch and skin a rabbit?

The great DAVE CHAPPELLE said of leaving comedy central "when you have people doing things for you all the time, you get ATROPHY, you STOP DEVELOPING"

[evilash]

p she then bit him and he sprayed her w/ pepper spray... all he did was spray her...

Actually the pig PUNCHED HER IN THE HEAD and THEN he sprayed her in the face. The spray was NOT all the cowardly pig did. Did you forget that bit or just not see it?

WATCH THIS EXCELLENT SHORT CLIP ABOUT MIS-DIRECTION......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxBroBF-uKImy question is why are you preaching all this on a transsexual forum? Shouldn't you be off starting a revolution
Or getting involved with politics or studying law so you can change things? Instead you come to this site where most the people here don't care. Its pretty simple, the girl resisted arrest and she done got taught a lesson, boohoo. I think most the cops in this country are too nice and underpaid.
Yall just have personal vendettas against the police, yall jus don't like anyone having power over you that's all.

[Kriss]

yall jus don't like anyone having power over you that's all.

TOO FUCKIN TRUE PAL. and neither should you

[Kriss]

There would be total anarchy without the police and the law of the jungle would prevail. Life would be "Hell on earth" if we didn't enjoy the everyday protections so many seem to take for granted.

SO you prefer the police state system that is paradise for those with the army of brainwashed thugs and "hell on earth" for any who dissent.

[TSLoverIB]

Yeh Yeh we know kids these days are spoiled more then 5 month old milk. Yeh we know some cops are pigs, not all are. The facts are, One this is not 60 minutes. Second is who gives a rats azz, this is a TG forum. I have no freakin idea why iam reading this and not looking at naked beautiful ladies. haha BUT now iam going to look.
TSNTX, wow you are smokin good looking.

[Kriss]

Don't smart mouth them, don't resist them physically, speak respectfully

FUCK OFF. who the fuck are you or any cop to say what is or is not "smart mouth". the very phrase implies that you should not speak what you know to be true. I like people with 'smart mouths' , better than morons that blindly obey authority.

This is why cops are so OBSESSED with people fearing and respecting them. RESPECT HAS TO BE EARNED. Again and again we see Cops fly into rage , out of control because they percieve some lack of respect. sorry but if you are STUPID, A BULLY, IGNORANT and yes RACIST then you cannot hope to get anyones respect. There is difference between respect and fear.

FIREMAN are RESPECTED.

POLICE are FEARED

YOUR WHOLE ATTITUDE regarding "smart mouth" is the very worst "if you criticise me, i will silence you with force " approach taken by the most cowardly GANGSTERS and DICTATORS who cannot even think of a lie to justify thier actions

DO NOT "speak respectfully" to police. GIVE EM ATTITUDE cos as a citizen they are your SERVENT.

[SarahG]

BTW: one thing that any parent absolutely needs to teach their kids*:

If you EVER get stopped by police:
Don't smart mouth them, don't resist them physically, speak respectfully and know your rights. As soon as they are able to understand what's printed on it, hand them the ACLU bust card.

That's the best, most logical, and intelligent post I've seen in this thread- and I am not saying that as an insult to the other posts.

I think you're really onto something here.

If only education in such matters was more... comprehensive.

[SarahG]

Don't smart mouth them, don't resist them physically, speak respectfully

FUCK OFF. who the fuck are you or any cop to say what is or is not "smart mouth". the very phrase implies that you should not speak what you know to be true. I like people with 'smart mouths' , better than morons that blindly obey authority.

This is why cops are so OBSESSED with people fearing and respecting them. RESPECT HAS TO BE EARNED. Again and again we see Cops fly into rage , out of control because they percieve some lack of respect. sorry but if you are STUPID, A BULLY, IGNORANT and yes RACIST then you cannot hope to get anyones respect. There is difference between respect and fear.

FIREMAN are RESPECTED.

POLICE are FEARED

YOUR WHOLE ATTITUDE regarding "smart mouth" is the very worst "if you criticise me, i will silence you with force " approach taken by the most cowardly GANGSTERS and DICTATORS who cannot even think of a lie to justify thier actions

DO NOT "speak respectfully" to police. GIVE EM ATTITUDE cos as a citizen they are your SERVENT.

If cops are as you say, then to what advantage would it be for someone to escalate the situation by being rude to them?

[tubgirl]

DO NOT "speak respectfully" to police. GIVE EM ATTITUDE cos as a citizen they are your SERVENT.

oh my fucking god, i can't stop laughing at this. do you even realize how unreasonable this sounds, or do you speak before you think?


good luck with that...

[stimpy]

This makes me sick, and people try to tell me that the police are not racist thugs

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/051007_curfew_arrest.htm

Cop Pepper Sprays Girl After Being Bitten By Girl.

Don't let truth get in the way.

[Trogdor]

This makes me sick, and people try to tell me that the police are not racist thugs

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/051007_curfew_arrest.htm



I am fine with what she got. If she was off the street when she was supposed to be.........problem solved.


Then.......all she had to do was go along with the request to put her hands behind her back and she constantly refused after 100 requests.

Then when he has no choice to use force, she bites him. At that point she deserved to get punched and pepper sprayed. I am on the cops side here.

I also do not think race has anything to do with this.

I am usually not on the cops side in cases like "41 shots" and (sp?) amadu dialo. Those cops should rot in hell.

But here..........the law is the law. I don't care what race, what sex, or what age you are.

I'd thank him for doing his job.

You sicken me, you know that?

If only police would be so 'brave' and go after REAL CRIMINALS, like I dunno....killers and rapists.....plus cops are never around when you really need 'em, they just show up to clean the mess after it's all happened.

And you want proof....come on over here to Detroit....where the police are more dangerous than the folks they are supposed to protect us from. Like the cops who shot to death a deaf guy on his yard who was weilding a rake at them....a smegging rake. And don't get me started on these coppers who are trigger happy with the tazer....one pig got this one tiny, under 100 pound chick, who was already in cuffs, and was the fat fuck was tazering her over and over....and was tazering her in the car....she was banging her feet on the window, trying to break it, cause she was scared for her life. Or how one guy was turned down for a job on the police force when he scored TOO HIGH on the IQ test!!!!! Also, I had seeing hypocracy....they bust your ass for traffic violations....yet they go and brake the exact same traffic laws you just did........I think we need a group of people to police the police...I mean it makes perfect sence to me. I mean if that's what 'to protect and serve" means, I'll rather trust my hands to a good 'ole shotgun any day, cause I never trusted my life to the hands of police, and never will. More like "patronize & annoy" or like The Decepticon Barricade from Transformers, "To punish and enslave".

And I agree with a previous poster....respect needs to be earned. I don' t put any authority figures on a pedistal till they PROOVE the are worthy of respect....that covers cops, politicians and the like. And cops in particular outta be kept in line, since we ARE their employers you know. ~hears gasps of shock in the crowd.~

Anyone else dig with me here?

[El Nino]

Many Cops (not all) are only a few I.Q. points away from being legit retards. This is proven. Oh yeah about that pig punching a little girl in the face like that? It enrages me and makes my blood boil. If these guys keep on abusing the civilians they are supposed be protecting, bad things will happen to them by the victims friends or family. For them its a personal suicide, and in the end, its societal suicide for our country. It is an epidemic, the civilian police forces have been militarized and are now trained that we are the enemy. Do the research if you don't believe me., and learn the Bill of Rights that our founding father's set forth.

[El Nino]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVqiCj09gKM

[El Nino]

Geez, you are a dark person Dark Thanos. If you did ANY ANY ANY research, you would see clearly that some police organisations are truly corrupt. Planting guns, drugs and framing people for the sake of training or recent "arrest competitions" by police forces across the country; is not my idea of them "protecting" us. By the way, they don't get paid shit money, for middle-class standards at all so stop it. www.truthnews.us

[El Nino]

Check out this generous IQ chart

http://www.geocities.com/rnseitz/Definition_of_IQ.html

Give any person with a low IQ a gun and tell them what to do, and they'll do it. Add a little propaganda to the mix and you have yourself a regular old Gestapo a la Adolph Hitler! Peace

BTW cops make between 72,000 and 100,000/year in my town, so that's actually pretty decent"

[El Nino]

No disrespect man, but those financial figures came out of my local newspaper, I have no reason to make that shit up. I am tired of debating online. All I can say is that people need to learn and stand up for their Constitutional rights and not let cops (our civil servents) abuse them. The duty of a civilian police officer is to make sure these rights are protected PERIOD. When abuses happen it is important that they do not go unnoticed for this very reason. History has shown that those given "power" have a difficult time keeping it in check. It would be nothing more than Un-American to let these atrocities happen and turn a blind eye towards them.
So good bye officer Dark Thanos... and don't tase me, bro...

[Trans Mission]

I would've punched her wrinkled penny!

[Trans Mission]

I would've punched her wrinkled penny!

Uh? Que? Quoi? What? :?:

I would've punished her anus to negate her obvious transgression :roll:

Just a joke, nothing more. Intentional inflammatory hyperbole!

[marissaazts]

i wonder how many of these anti police people have criminal records and have been arrested themselves ... sure ya hate police cause you are prob. the ones causeing shit like the girl was

kids today need ot learn some damn respect and how to behave

[Trans Mission]

i wonder how many of these anti police people have criminal records and have been arrested themselves ... sure ya hate police cause you are prob. the ones causeing shit like the girl was

kids today need ot learn some damn respect and how to behave

I totally agree with you. Police are constantly put in precarious positions, yet when things get heavy their decisions are contemplated and dissected like they are trying to cure the HIV.

Police are under a very fine microscope nowadays, and it is going to impede law enforcement eventually.


How many police are there?...yet some bleeding heart, spineless coward posts this video in an attempt to thwart any credibility by the very people who put their lives on the line to protect citizens of a particular nation.

This one incident encapsulates the nations police officers, correct :roll:

I am a Libertarian, but I even find this erroneous culling of law enforcement shameful.

Here's a fact, this would be moot if the girl were white.

Yellow seems to be the en vogue color.

[Trans Mission]

i wonder how many of these anti police people have criminal records and have been arrested themselves ... sure ya hate police cause you are prob. the ones causeing shit like the girl was

kids today need ot learn some damn respect and how to behave

Yea, police officers are always right. They never abuse their power. :roll:

By your logic, they are always wrong and always abuse their power?

[Trans Mission]

i wonder how many of these anti police people have criminal records and have been arrested themselves ... sure ya hate police cause you are prob. the ones causeing shit like the girl was

kids today need ot learn some damn respect and how to behave

Yea, police officers are always right. They never abuse their power. :roll:

By your logic, they are always wrong and always abuse their power?

Sigh. http://m-w.com/dictionary/sarcasm


Braveman, you're a dullard! No post count will ever act as salvation against that. You should feel blessed that you endow the cerebral prowess to create a heartbeat unconsciously?

[Trans Mission]

i wonder how many of these anti police people have criminal records and have been arrested themselves ... sure ya hate police cause you are prob. the ones causeing shit like the girl was

kids today need ot learn some damn respect and how to behave

Yea, police officers are always right. They never abuse their power. :roll:

By your logic, they are always wrong and always abuse their power?

Sigh. http://m-w.com/dictionary/sarcasm


Braveman, you're a dullard! No post count will ever act as salvation against that. You should feel blessed that you endow the cerebral prowess to create a heartbeat unconciously?

What's with the personal attack? Did i attack you? No. You asked a question and I responded. I'm happy to continue this conversation, but not if you are going to resort to name-calling. I think two adult men can have a civil discussion.

Braveman, I retract my initial attack. Yes, let's communicate amicably.

It's easy to be an ass on an internet forum, so tx- for being a voice of reason.

[tsntx]

im a LEO and im purr-fect :D

[Trans Mission]

Braveman,

My Mother and sister are Leo's. Typically, I find astrology to be a deceptive science or as Jim Morrison called it a pseudo-science.


Am I even playing in the right ball park, now?

[Trans Mission]

im a LEO and im purr-fect :D

You have to be pet to purr!

[Trans Mission]

Braveman,

My Mother and sister are Leo's. Typically, I find astrology to be a deceptive science or as Jim Morrison called it a pseudo-science.


Am I even playing in the right ball park, now?

Law Enforcement Officers. Sorry about that, I go back and forth between police and LEOs.

I believe, it's the internal cadence that counts, so. yeah, let's party!

[wombat33]

[quote="wombat33"]...all she had to do was go along with the request to put her hands behind her back and she constantly refused after 100 requests.


Why was there a need to cuff her? the REALITY is that black people know that if they go into the back of that car, for whatever reason, they may end up beaten, abused or dead and it will hit the news for a day but not one copper will be held accountable for his actions. And that is here in the U.K. and I KNOW it's worse in the states.


I am fine with what she got. If she was off the street when she was supposed to be.........problem solved.

HE PUNCHED HER IN THE HEAD!!! What kind of society allows this?

AND WHY WAS THERE A CURFEW? A FUCKING CURFEW! IN 2007. IN AMERICA! WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE WORLD?


But here..........the law is the law. I don't care what race, what sex, or what age you are. I'd thank him for doing his job.

you forgot this part sir

I am usually not on the cops side in cases like "41 shots" and (sp?) amadu dialo. Those cops should rot in hell.

[wombat33]

I am fine with what she got. If she was off the street when she was supposed to be.........problem solved.

Yea, because god knows everytime the cops accuse someone of breaking the law, they're right. I mean no one has ever, ever been falsely accused under our system, let alone convicted... right?



Then.......all she had to do was go along with the request to put her hands behind her back and she constantly refused after 100 requests.

Then when he has no choice to use force, she bites him. At that point she deserved to get punched and pepper sprayed. I am on the cops side here.


No cop with proper training is going to respond that harshly just because the minor refused to put her hands behind her back.

I agree with you that her biting him gave the cop the excuse he needed to respond physically- in that sense you're correct IMO. That was the defining moment.



But here..........the law is the law. I don't care what race, what sex, or what age you are.

I'd thank him for doing his job.

Agreed.... but just because the law is the law doesn't mean that police get to ignore protocol and training whenever they suspect someone is "doing something bad"

The cops aren't lawyers and law enforcement will always trample civil liberties if given the freedom to do whatever they please. This is not a fault per say, its just an understandable characteristic.

The legal system is about order, it is not about justice. There will be people who were innocent who will be convicted, there will be people who were guilty who will be let off.

If you're job is to deal with scum all day, every day- then it only stands to reason that a cop is gonna want to go out side of the system to "deal with it." If a cop truly believes a given person goes around raping lil kids, but can't get a conviction- then to go beyond the system to act as a judge, jury and executioner is not surprising. What separates a good cop from a bad cop is that a bad cop will resort to this street [in]justice while a good cop knows that the system isn't gonna catch everyone and will respect the civil liberties of the good, the bad, and the inbetween.

Our system is based on checks and balances, it requires it- there simply is no excuse for having ANY kind of law enforcement unchecked to do as they please... even if their intentions are good and their mission statement honorable.



thank you for disagreeing respectfully. I respect that.

[wombat33]

This makes me sick, and people try to tell me that the police are not racist thugs

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/051007_curfew_arrest.htm



I am fine with what she got. If she was off the street when she was supposed to be.........problem solved.


Then.......all she had to do was go along with the request to put her hands behind her back and she constantly refused after 100 requests.

Then when he has no choice to use force, she bites him. At that point she deserved to get punched and pepper sprayed. I am on the cops side here.

I also do not think race has anything to do with this.

I am usually not on the cops side in cases like "41 shots" and (sp?) amadu dialo. Those cops should rot in hell.

But here..........the law is the law. I don't care what race, what sex, or what age you are.

I'd thank him for doing his job.

You sicken me, you know that?

If only police would be so 'brave' and go after REAL CRIMINALS, like I dunno....killers and rapists.....plus cops are never around when you really need 'em, they just show up to clean the mess after it's all happened.

And you want proof....come on over here to Detroit....where the police are more dangerous than the folks they are supposed to protect us from. Like the cops who shot to death a deaf guy on his yard who was weilding a rake at them....a smegging rake. And don't get me started on these coppers who are trigger happy with the tazer....one pig got this one tiny, under 100 pound chick, who was already in cuffs, and was the fat fuck was tazering her over and over....and was tazering her in the car....she was banging her feet on the window, trying to break it, cause she was scared for her life. Or how one guy was turned down for a job on the police force when he scored TOO HIGH on the IQ test!!!!! Also, I had seeing hypocracy....they bust your ass for traffic violations....yet they go and brake the exact same traffic laws you just did........I think we need a group of people to police the police...I mean it makes perfect sence to me. I mean if that's what 'to protect and serve" means, I'll rather trust my hands to a good 'ole shotgun any day, cause I never trusted my life to the hands of police, and never will. More like "patronize & annoy" or like The Decepticon Barricade from Transformers, "To punish and enslave".

And I agree with a previous poster....respect needs to be earned. I don' t put any authority figures on a pedistal till they PROOVE the are worthy of respect....that covers cops, politicians and the like. And cops in particular outta be kept in line, since we ARE their employers you know. ~hears gasps of shock in the crowd.~

Anyone else dig with me here?


I AM SORRY I SICKEN YOU SIR.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU ONLY MY OPINION AND WHILE I KNOW THERE ARE BAD COPS OUT THERE TO SOME DEGREE, MOST OF THEM ARE GOOD PEOPLE DOING THIER JOBS PROPERLY.

YOU SHOULD TAKE A JOB AS A COP. SEE HOW YOU FEEL WITH YOUR ASS ON THE LINE EVERY DAY. I USED TO LIVE IN THE BRONX IN NEW YORK IN AN AREA THAT MAKES DETROIT LOOK LIKE DISNEYLAND. MY BEST FRIEND WAS A COP AND WOULD TAKE MA AROUND TO SEE THE SHIT HE HAS TO PUT UP WITH EVERY DAY.

MOST PEOPLE THAT HAVE FORCE USED AGAINST THEM TOTALLY DESERVE IT. YET AS I MENITONED IN MY FIRST POST THERE ARE COPS LIKE WITH THE 41 SHOTS CASE AND THE AMADU DUALO CASE THAT WERE 100% AT FAULT ABD SHOULD BE LOCKED UP FOR LIFE.

OR DID YOU MISS THAT PART LIKE THE VIDEO TSNTX POSTED ABOUT MISDIRECTION?

I AM NOT A NAZI, I CAN ASSURE YOU.

BUT I AM A REALIST AND KNOW THAT WHEN A COP TOLD ME TO DO SOMETHING I DID IT. EVEN AS A TROUBLED TEEN. ME ANY MY BROTHERS RECIEVED BEATINGS FROM COPS. I GOT MINE RESISTING ARREST, SPITTING, AND SWINGING AT THEM. I GOT MY ASS KICKED PROPERLY AND I AM THANKFUL TO THE NYPD FOR THE EXPERIENCE AND HELPING ME TO REALIZE HOW THE WORLD REALLY WORKS.

I MAY NOT BE A LIBERAL, BUT I AM NOT A NAZI.

[phxguy]

Go Dbacks. Fuck the Rockies.

[phxguy]

Your looks alone could stop traffic. That's a compliment......

What the hell do you care. You're a narrow-minded charlatan who thinks it's unmanlike to blow.

[Kriss]

so good bye officer Dark Thanos... and don't tase me, bro...

:claps :claps :claps :claps :claps

Now that made me truly LAUGH OUT LOUD

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:rock2 :rock2 :rock2 :rock2 :rock2 :rock2

NICE!

[cockcraver]

excessive weed will do that to u :)

[Adultlexicon]

This makes me sick, and people try to tell me that the police are not racist thugs

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/051007_curfew_arrest.htmwhy in the hell is this racism the bitch bit the cop i would have done the same !

i admit it looks shocking but i think he didnt do anything wrong

[BBaggins06]

Don't smart mouth them, don't resist them physically, speak respectfully

FUCK OFF. who the fuck are you or any cop to say what is or is not "smart mouth". the very phrase implies that you should not speak what you know to be true. I like people with 'smart mouths' , better than morons that blindly obey authority.

This is why cops are so OBSESSED with people fearing and respecting them. RESPECT HAS TO BE EARNED. Again and again we see Cops fly into rage , out of control because they percieve some lack of respect. sorry but if you are STUPID, A BULLY, IGNORANT and yes RACIST then you cannot hope to get anyones respect. There is difference between respect and fear.

FIREMAN are RESPECTED.

POLICE are FEARED

YOUR WHOLE ATTITUDE regarding "smart mouth" is the very worst "if you criticise me, i will silence you with force " approach taken by the most cowardly GANGSTERS and DICTATORS who cannot even think of a lie to justify thier actions

DO NOT "speak respectfully" to police. GIVE EM ATTITUDE cos as a citizen they are your SERVENT.

Respect must be earned? How about do unto others as you would have done unto you? Why do you demand respect when you don't respect them? That's highly hypocritical.

Your whole bullshit attitude is summed up in your last "thought". We are NOT your fucking servants. Just because you pay my salary, it doesn't mean you can shit all over me or anyone else. I'm a fireman and thank my lucky stars for having a police escort on hundreds of calls. I might not be here if it wasn't for them having my back. I've been shot at and assaulted several times. I see the complete lack of disrespect that others have for anyone else. It sickens me that some people think they have a constitutional right to treat cops like garbage. Mahalo

Matt

[Adultlexicon]

why in the hell is this racism the bitch bit the cop i would have done the same !

i admit it looks shocking but i think he didnt do anything wrong

She is not a "bitch." She's a yound lady, a teenager, a scared child. She is not a female dog. Should she have bitten the officer? Of course not, but that does not make her a "bitch."

:roll:
so if some girl bit you in the arm you still would call her a lady??

you gotta be kiddin

[BBaggins06]

Check out this generous IQ chart

http://www.geocities.com/rnseitz/Definition_of_IQ.html

BTW cops make between 72,000 and 100,000/year in my town, so that's actually pretty decent"

LOL

So having an IQ of 100 is low? That means 50% of the world is. Did you even read that chart before you posted? I think the only ones with low IQs in this thread are you and Kriss. You're probably a greeter at Wal-Mart and hate yourself for having to do that. Also, about 5 years ago all new recruits in the CPD had to have a college degree before joining the force. Finally, just because some 30 year Captain makes a 100K, it doesn't mean that they all do. And you never answered Dark Thanos' question on what your standard of living is. Without that info, that salary range is less than meaningless. Mahalo

Matt

[El Nino]

http://digg.com/videos/educational/Police_MURDER_man_by_tasering_him_His_last_words_d on_t_kill_me

[Kriss]

im a LEO and im purr-fect :D

Your looks alone could stop traffic. That's a compliment......

Just DON'T look at her directly. She can't turn you to stone if you ONLY view her reflection.

[Kriss]

We are NOT your fucking servants. Just because you pay my salary, it doesn't mean

Actually, you got me there, I haven't paid taxes in years so I guess I don't really pay your salary. Sorry I got you so riled up over nothing. But a public servent is a servent of the public, no?

[El Nino]

Breaking Story that Ocurred Today:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299946,00.html

[Kriss]

...and I'm so impressed that you proudly proclaim your lack of following the law, by not paying taxes...

Actually THERE IS NO LAW requiring AMERICANS to pay tax. The INCOME TAX law was NEVER ratified by all states and is AGAINST the U.S. CONSTITUTION, where it states that no tax will be apportioned on your labour.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q=freedom+to+facism&total=84&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Historic interview with AARON RUSSO, former manager of bette midler, producer of 'Trading Places' Where he describes how David Rockerfeller told him 11 months before 911 "There's gonna be an EVENT and America is going into Afghanistan, you're gonna see soldiers looking for people in caves"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5420753830426590918&q=aaron+russo&total=479&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=8

An old documentary on the FEDERAL RESERVE. Covers a LOT of American history, Overseas conflict, The REMOVAL of the GOLD STANDARD. Anyone feeling the pinch of thier morgage might want to watch this vid and learn how they did it to you.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7757684583209015812&q=federal+reserve+duration%3Along&lr=lang_en&total=155&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=6

http://makethestand.com/

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=152568743

You should take a look at the COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT available free to citizens. every city has one and it explains all the money spent by the city and all the money they made. The truth is every city runs AT A PROFIT. business taxes and rates pay for most ammenities.

INCOME TAX PAYS THE INTEREST ON THE NATIONAL DEBT. The FEDERAL RESERVE is about as federal as FED-EX. It is PRIVATELY OWNED and has the sole liscence to print currency that it LENDS to the Government and charges INTEREST on that DEBT.

http://edbrownvlog.blogspot.com/

In the U.K. we have COUNCIL TAX (replaced the beloved poll tax), depending on where you live, it is about £500 - £1500 per year. It pays for POLICE, WASTE MANAGEMENT, etc but mostly COUNCIL EMBEZZLEMENT . ROADS are managed by the highways dept which is paid for with DRIVERS LICENCES. National Health Service AND BENEFITS is paid for by NATIONAL INSURANCE which is separate from income tax. WATER is paid direct to the privatised (and foreign owned) water companies.

SO WHAT DOES INCOME TAX PAY FOR?

It pays for the INTEREST on the NATIONAL DEBT.

[Trogdor]

We are NOT your fucking servants. Just because you pay my salary, it doesn't mean

Actually, you got me there, I haven't paid taxes in years so I guess I don't really pay your salary. Sorry I got you so riled up over nothing. But a public servent is a servent of the public, no?

ahhhh, it's all so clear now...look at the way you spell servAnt...it isn't a typo, you truly believe it is spelled in that manner...clearly underscores your level of intelligence, or lack thereof...and I'm so impressed that you proudly proclaim your lack of following the law, by not paying taxes...your whole bullshit attitude shines through in this post!

I hope one day you are in a situation where the only thing stopping you from dying a violent death is a police officer's intervention, and he pisses on your fate (note that I am speaking figuratively, so don't try to call me out on a typo of "face")...

There is actually no law that states we need to pay income tax.

And many people ask to see the law where we need to pay 'em....and no one shows anything. Hell, there is a 100,000 dollar reward being offered to anyone that shows this income tax law and also violations to the 5th amendment and any real proof the 16th amendment is a legit one.

and remember folks, america was around for over 80 years before an income tax was made and the country was doing fine still. Hell, we don't need an IRS, and I don't understand why our livelyhoods are being taxed....just make a sales tax and that's all that's needed. And everyone one of us will be better off without an income tax, cause with the extra money, we can buy what we need, invest and so on, not to mention more freedom without that 800 pound gorilla on our backs.

I mean it's bad enough we are china's bitch, I say get rid of the income tax and the country will be a nicer place.....and our country was founded on the notion of "No Taxation without Representation!" which lead us to kick England's ass....no offence at all to you, Kriss. ^_^

And I find is interesting....and said that only a few Americans know that the so-called income tax laws are not even constitutional.......this is a recurring topic on George Noory's coast to coast am show. :)

Oh, and to the one who said cause we pay the cops salary does not give us the right to treat 'em like dirt if we choose....well, guess what......how many of us has an employer that treats us like garbage, and gives the "Cause I'm paying you!" excuse.......same principle here.....I just wish we could fire these cowboy cops that decide to play the big bully. Cause really....what harm could a teenage girl give to ( an often ) over weight cop, hell.....probably the first young chick he's got any mouth action from in years, hey! :mrgreen: ~rimshot~

[chefmike]

Your looks alone could stop traffic. That's a compliment......

What the hell do you care. You're a narrow-minded charlatan who thinks it's unmanlike to blow.

You left out chickenshit closet-case, phxguy...

[SarahG]

and remember folks, america was around for over 80 years before an income tax was made and the country was doing fine still.

That's a very weak argument, our early history was very far from being trouble free.

We had nothing but problems in our early history, the weak, poorly funded federal government had very lil street cred in the international community. We were being walked all over by other nations, our sailors were being pressed into European service, and our military was too small to really do anything about it for the most part... although we did do quite well against those arab extremists in the Mediterranean.

The English even occupied parts of our country into the 19th century because we were not following our terms of the treaty ending the revolution. We were required to fiscally reimburse loyalists whom had all their property stolen/confiscated, and/or property that was lost by those fleeing into Canada & overseas. As a result the British military, in British bases- on American soil, occupied parts of the country for quite a while. This was one of the reasons for the War of 1812.

[Felicia Katt]

Article 1, section 8, of the U.S. Constitution provides (in part):

The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises [ . . . ] but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

The Sixteenth Amendment) of the United States Constitution which was ratified on February 3, 1913. provides as follows:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That's de jur, or what the law of the land says. But de facto is what the law of the land does, and the fact is that the State has been collecting income tax and punishing those who try to avoid their payment, with such actions being approved by every level of the Judicial system for close to 100 years.

Its one thing to trot out bizarre conspiracy theories on a forum. Try not paying your taxes and you will have those discussions in the cell block where you can proclaim your innocence just as loudly and with just as much credibility as all the other inmates there.

FK

[chefmike]

Its one thing to trot out bizarre conspiracy theories on a forum. Try not paying your taxes and you will have those discussions in the cell block where you can proclaim your innocence just as loudly and with just as much credibility as all the other inmates there.

FK


Bravo, FK.

[aasdnnn]

This makes me sick, and people try to tell me that the police are not racist thugs

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/051007_curfew_arrest.htm

She freakin' bit him! What would you suggest he do? "Gee whiz, ma'am. That really hurt. What say we sit here on the curb and eat some frozen yogurt until you decide it's OK to be arrested. In the meantime, did you see the most recent episode of Lost? Polar bears... wow!"

Bite me, I punch you. Punch me, I knock you out. Simple.

People don't realize that we have three choices when people resist arrest: stirke or otherwise man-handle them, use less-than-lethal weapons, or use deadly force. That's all we have once talking is over with, and this girl obviously didn't want to talk. She wanted to resist and get away.

Go on a few ride alongs with your local agency and see how people react when arrested and maybe you'll get a better feel for what it's like out there.

One of the worst injuries I ever got was from a girl who was 5'5", 110 pounds or so. She was being arrested for meth and agg assault on law enforcement. She was flexible, too, and it was almost imipossible to get her to stay still and get cuffed. She kicked me full hard in the shin. I have a two inch scar now.

[El Nino]

the Federal Reserve System -- a PRIVATELY OWNED banking cartel that is not controlled or even audited by our government -- and the income tax were both imposed on the American people in 1913.

The Federal Reserve System and the Internal Revenue Service were both created by the 16th Amendment to the United States Constitution. The Hearing included testimony, which proved that the 16th Amendment is a fraud: that it was not lawfully ratified by 3/4 of the States in 1913. And that as creations of the 16th Amendment, the Federal Reserve System and the IRS are not legitimate, constitutional operations of our government.

The Federal Reserve System and the income tax are inextricably linked. The income tax was instituted to provide lender security and guaranteed profits to this highly secretive, privately owned and unaccountable central banking system that has obtained absolute control over our country and the federal government.

We learned at the hearing that most of the revenue generated from the income tax is not used to run the government but is collected by the private Federal Reserve System as interest on the national debt -- money that this corrupt money system creates out of thin air, and then loans to the federal government -- in a fraudulent scheme that has kept the American people is a state of perpetual debt to these private bankers for three quarters of a century.

Since 1933, the privately owned Federal Reserve system has been granted the unconstitutional power to fabricate money out of thin air, charge interest to the government for the use of the Fed's fabricated money and to receive taxes to pay that interest, paid with the American people's labor.

Today, the average American family pays more in taxes than it does for housing, food and clothing combined.

There is no question that indentured servitude is alive and well in America.

American citizens are compelled by the government to perform labor in order to pay off the government's debt to the PRIVATE banking cartel. Most Americans are in a condition of continual, economic peonage and slavery to the federal government and the privately owned Federal Reserve System (in violation of our rights guaranteed by the 13th Amendment). The evidence also shows that our system of income tax collection has led to widespread and unjustifiable abuse of the People's unalienable due process rights.

Among the significant wrongs committed by our government to perpetuate this fraud include:

* The unlawful indictment, prosecution and imprisonment of law-abiding Citizens who dare question the government's legal authority to collect this tax.
* The unlawful seizures of property, wages, bank accounts -- all without court orders or proper warrants to satisfy supposed tax debts that, in fact, have no basis in law.
* The pervasive and systemic denial of due process rights and other constitutional protections in the daily administrative operations of the IRS.
* The collusion of the Courts in perpetuating the unlawful tax system by their failure to directly rule on proper legal challenges to our laws and the tacit approval of legal abuse by DOJ and the IRS against the People.


The only conspiracy involved here is the one thats smacking us in the face every paycheck, fo real

[El Nino]

Watch and Vote for this guy if you want to restore freedom and "legalize the constitution." He's the only candidate not controlled by special interest groups. Sure he's not perfect, but after you take a close look at all other candidates and taste the puke in your mouth... it's the only choice.

BTW, you have to register to vote this year by OCT, 12th, so get your ass to City Hall or the DMV and fill out a form. They changed the rules this year though and you have to register with the party your voting for!?!? So do it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2gEEUwRocU&mode=related&search

The applause and support this guy gets, is virtuos

[Kriss]

Bite me, I punch you. Punch me, I knock you out. Simple.

You're a real tough guy aren't you? A regular JUDGE DREDD.

HOW ABOUT THIS ONE ......

You try to abduct, bully or frame people and eventually the masses WILL HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE, with bottles and bricks and sticks......... and cunning. I will NEVER obey the laws you support. U.K. and especially US is UNDER OCCUPATIUON. Citizens are not free, they are locked down by fraudulent laws and a financial system of control based on debt.

Why don't you tell us about all the 'freebies', the drugs cops sell, the kickbacks, The planted evidence, Free blowjobs from the street whores


Bravo,


do you know about Irwin Schiff? He fought the law, and guess what? The law won.

Why are you MAGGOTS so obsessed with following THE LAW.

It's bullshit. Everyone of you FED lovers breaks laws EVERY DAY.

Cops break more laws than ANYONE, except those higher in the military-industrial complex, because they are UNACCOUNTABLE. They are BEYOND REPROACH. And you maggots support this system.

HILARIOUS DAVE CHAPELLE VIDEO about COPS

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-957784925851195138&q=dave+chappelle+police&total=18&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[tsafficianado]

Trogdor, had you considered the possibility that YOUR employer treats YOU like garbage because you ARE garbage?

el Nino....if someone wanted to waste their vote on an idiot who has no chance of winning, why wouldn't they simply vote for you?

Kriss....does the English national health plan provide medication for paranoid-schizophrenics? I suggest you check into it.

[chefmike]

Why are you MAGGOTS so obsessed with following THE LAW.
Maggots? Go piss in your tinfoil hat, lunatic.
If you walked(or were dragged) into any psych ward babbling the kind of batshit crazy BS that you post on this forum you would be put in restraints and heavily medicated like all the other paranoid schizophrenics, you fuckin' flake...get some therapy, asswipe.
And maybe you should also consider laying off the crackpipe for a while...

[El Nino]

Dr. Paul an idiot? Hahahahahahahaha, boy you're stuck in the propaganda matrix.

You also exhibit classic brainwashing, defeatist behavior. Grass-roots is the way out. Just because you think someone might not have a chance to win, does not mean you should not vote for them. The problem is most people feel this way and it is because the fucking media puts these fundamental ideas in our heads and tells you what to think and believe. WHo's really incharge of these networks??? The Mainstream Media networks black-list and virtually eliminate Ron Paul from their "programming." They do this for a very distinct reason, and if you can not see why ,I won't explain it. However, just as he surprised everybody with his fund-raising in the 3rd quarter, he will surprise everybody when it comes time to vote. He's the only candidate that wants to give you your rights back and you call him an idiot! Get out of your cave, bro.
I'm Out!

P.S. Go ahead and vote for a puppet candidate like warhawk Hitlery Clinton or Rudi "911" Giuliani and see where it get the country... All the other candidates are controlled, bought and sold by special interest groups and again if you take time to do the research you will find that this is an un-debatable fact.

www.ronpaul2008.com (No Strings Attached)

[El Nino]

October 3, 2007

Paul Campaign Raises Over $5,000,000 In Third Quarter

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA - The Ron Paul 2008 presidential campaign raised $5,080,000 during the third quarter of 2007. That is an impressive 114 percent increase from the second quarter.

Cash on hand for the Paul campaign is $5,300,000.

"Dr. Paul's message is freedom, peace and prosperity," said Paul campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "As these fundraising numbers show, more Americans each day are embracing Dr. Paul's message."

Ron Paul's 114 percent increase is in stark contrast to the decrease suffered by Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, and John McCain. Romney's fundraising was down 29 percent. Giuliani was down 40 percent. McCain was down 55 percent.

[tsafficianado]

el dimwit sez 'the fucking media puts these fundamental ideas in our heads and tells you what to think and believe'

this from a moron who thinks reality is the latest buffoon who plants some idiocy on youtube. here's a clue for ya, clueless, the media nor anyone else tells me what to think. you are a clown, and a delusional one at that. a bright red nose and floppy shoes do not necessarily make you a political sage.
you post unfounded delusion as fact and when you are challenged you crawl under a rock or present some infantile 'support' for your position. you back up nothing.
on the other hand, i contend that you are an idiot, and the ongoing babble you post on this and other threads is ample evidence.

[El Nino]

Remember, the biggest government conspiracy of all, is the view that there are no conspiracies. Also, you have to realize that not everybody thinks as independently as you do man. Plenty of "mindless gray masses" to go around. These are the ones I refer to...

P.S. To not be aware of, or to be indifferent to the political maneuvering that ocurrs behing the black curtain, just might keep one in an un-integrated state of mind. I like to question absolutely everything that is fed to me, and use a combination of intuition, research from alternative sources and corroboration to formulate societal and political ideas. I am a scientist by profession and not a polititian anyway, but there is just so much corruption going on right now that it is just bursting from the seems and it is hard not to take notice. By the way, what's with the negative tone Tsafficionado?

[dan_drade]

Perhaps that girl should have watched this video firs. She would have saved herself a whole lot of hurt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gCCjFbFXn8

[evilash]

This makes me sick, and people try to tell me that the police are not racist thugs

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/051007_curfew_arrest.htm



I am fine with what she got. If she was off the street when she was supposed to be.........problem solved.


Then.......all she had to do was go along with the request to put her hands behind her back and she constantly refused after 100 requests.

Then when he has no choice to use force, she bites him. At that point she deserved to get punched and pepper sprayed. I am on the cops side here.

I also do not think race has anything to do with this.

I am usually not on the cops side in cases like "41 shots" and (sp?) amadu dialo. Those cops should rot in hell.

But here..........the law is the law. I don't care what race, what sex, or what age you are.

I'd thank him for doing his job.

You sicken me, you know that?

If only police would be so 'brave' and go after REAL CRIMINALS, like I dunno....killers and rapists.....plus cops are never around when you really need 'em, they just show up to clean the mess after it's all happened.

And you want proof....come on over here to Detroit....where the police are more dangerous than the folks they are supposed to protect us from. Like the cops who shot to death a deaf guy on his yard who was weilding a rake at them....a smegging rake. And don't get me started on these coppers who are trigger happy with the tazer....one pig got this one tiny, under 100 pound chick, who was already in cuffs, and was the fat fuck was tazering her over and over....and was tazering her in the car....she was banging her feet on the window, trying to break it, cause she was scared for her life. Or how one guy was turned down for a job on the police force when he scored TOO HIGH on the IQ test!!!!! Also, I had seeing hypocracy....they bust your ass for traffic violations....yet they go and brake the exact same traffic laws you just did........I think we need a group of people to police the police...I mean it makes perfect sence to me. I mean if that's what 'to protect and serve" means, I'll rather trust my hands to a good 'ole shotgun any day, cause I never trusted my life to the hands of police, and never will. More like "patronize & annoy" or like The Decepticon Barricade from Transformers, "To punish and enslave".

And I agree with a previous poster....respect needs to be earned. I don' t put any authority figures on a pedistal till they PROOVE the are worthy of respect....that covers cops, politicians and the like. And cops in particular outta be kept in line, since we ARE their employers you know. ~hears gasps of shock in the crowd.~

Anyone else dig with me here?Cops arent psychic, they cannot predict when all the crimes are gonna happen, life isn't a Philip K. Dick novel. Detectives solve the crimes or try to anyway. They do go after real criminals, go take a trip to your local prison and see for yourself.
Transformers? Yeahyah, that about says it all!!!

[Kriss]

they cannot predict when all the crimes are gonna happen, life isn't a Philip K. Dick novel.

Sorry, I have to disagree, increasingly life IS a Philip K. Dick novel

[chefmike]

Who was the idiot babbling about not paying taxes earlier? Oh that's right, it was KrazyKriss...now there's a shocker.

Here's a reality check for those who refuse to accept reality:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=25558

[tubgirl]

Who was the idiot babbling about not paying taxes earlier? Oh that's right, it was KrazyKriss...now there's a shocker.

Here's a reality check for those who refuse to accept reality:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=25558

i seriously think kriss is jaime michelle...

anyway, about the video... did anybody see the entire video? not what you were shown by the "news", but the whole thing? no? really?

and did anybody notice that the cop actually drags the girl back in front of the camera the whole time? why would he do that? oh, that's right, to protect himself in court. if he was doing something wrong, he would have done it off camera... god, some of you are stupid.

[chefmike]

i seriously think kriss is jaime michelle...

Rumor has it that Krisp is Jamie's husband...both the bride and groom wore matching tinfoil hats and straitjackets...

[El Nino]

First they ignore you.

Then they laugh at you.

Then they fight you.

Then you win.


--Mohandas Gandhi

[chefmike]

batshit-crazy...now say cheese...

[chefmike]

i seriously think kriss is jaime michelle...

Rumor has it that Krisp is Jamie's husband...both the bride and groom wore matching tinfoil hats and straitjackets...

Did I mention that Ron Paul was the best man? And Alex Jones made a lovely bridesmaid in his tinfoil outfit...

[El Nino]

Just believe everything Bill-O, Glenn Beck and Anderson Cooper throw at ya Chef... Everything is ALWAYS just as it appears, don't you know.

[chefmike]

Just believe everything Bill-O, Glenn Beck and Anderson Cooper throw at ya Chef... Everything is ALWAYS just as it appears, don't you know.

LMFAO...like I get my news from them...and like you know anything about legit news sources...or reality.

[Solitary Brother]

I JUST saw this on CNN......this is really really REALLY fucked up!
This is why black people hate the police.
Why do police like to beat on black people like this?

White people need to understand the HISTORICAL reason why blacks dont like and DONT TRUST the police.
Back in the jim crow days the police were the instrument used by racist white soceity to keep blacks in line INCLUDING LYNCHINGS!
The police were usually the ones who carried out ANY violence that was handed out to individuals or a whole community.
THIS is WHY blacks dont trust the police.........its a historical fact.

Were the fuck is Jesse and AL Sharpton when you need their big mouths?
This shit is getting out of hand.

[T5000]

Just believe everything Bill-O, Glenn Beck and Anderson Cooper throw at ya Chef... Everything is ALWAYS just as it appears, don't you know.And with that token, just believe everything that the conspiracy theorists tell you because you want that to be true. You are a sheep like everyone else. You never discover any of these conspiracy theories yourself you just believe what they tell you to believe because you like there answer better. Same coin, different side and both sides tell lies.

[Solitary Brother]

personally, flame me all you want, but i dont think he acted any other way then he would anyone else FORCEFULLY resisting arrest and then biting him... he wasnt beating her to a pulp, he stayed calm, he referred to her as miss the whole time, she was resisting and obviously if he wanted to hurt her, like he said he didnt, he could have easily forced her hands behind her back... he was trying not to break her arms, like he said bc she was so fragile.... she then bit him and he sprayed her w/ pepper spray... someone bites me i punch them... shes lucky... he has size and a billy club all he did was spray her... she was in the wrong -j

Your ignorant.

I want to say more but will save for the next time your ignorant which will be REAL soon!

[Solitary Brother]

When I read SOME of the comments in this thread it makes me very sad.
We cant even agree on right and wrong which is why there is war and racism and other problems.
Some of you are just ignorant and some of you are racist.......thats my opinion and no arguing or discussion will change you.
Some of you remind me of Larry Craig and Pastor Ted and ALL the others......hypocrites!
I tell you one thing......if that THING in that uniform had did that to MY daughter he would already be dead!
That was beyond gross what he did and to see white men on CNN discussing it as if it was some type of clinical transaction disgusts me.
We as a species have SO far to go.

[El Nino]

Reality 'is' relative and subjective. Therefore, there are as many different "realities" as there are conscious beings. That fact that you 'ChefMike' would suggest that there is one reality (that I should snap into) speaks volumes about your current state of evolution and/or development as a human. It also shows that you have succesfully been hegemonized, according to plan. Read the following, it's kind of like an explanation of your "reality."


Theories of hegemony:

Theories of hegemony attempt to explain how dominant groups or individuals can maintain their power -- the capacity of dominant classes to persuade subordinate ones to accept, adopt and internalize their values and norms. Antonio Gramsci devised one of the best-known accounts of hegemony. His theory defined the State by a mixture of coercion and hegemony, between which he drew distinctions. According to Gramsci, hegemony consists of socio-political power that flows from enabling the "spontaneous consent" of the populace through intellectual and moral leadership or authority as employed by the subalterns of the State. The power of the hegemony is thus primarily through coercion and consent rather than armed force. Such conceptions are sometimes referred to as "cultural hegemony."

[Legend]

personally, flame me all you want, but i dont think he acted any other way then he would anyone else FORCEFULLY resisting arrest and then biting him... he wasnt beating her to a pulp, he stayed calm, he referred to her as miss the whole time, she was resisting and obviously if he wanted to hurt her, like he said he didnt, he could have easily forced her hands behind her back... he was trying not to break her arms, like he said bc she was so fragile.... she then bit him and he sprayed her w/ pepper spray... someone bites me i punch them... shes lucky... he has size and a billy club all he did was spray her... she was in the wrong -j

Your ignorant.

I want to say more but will save for the next time your ignorant which will be REAL soon!

That's her opinion and just because you don't agree with it doesn't make her ignorant,it makes her a very opinionated person.Why does so many around here throw their goddamn ideological views on others.

Weren't you the same guy who stated that you didn't beleive that person in the hospital was miram because her legs were hairy,was that your opinion because some might confuse it with being ignorant?

[dan_drade]

Here is a question for everyone.

If a cop with a gun, club, pepper spray and handcuffs stops you for breaking a law and tells you to put you hands behind your back.

Do you...


A.) Stop what you are doing and put your hands behind your back?

OR

B.) Start flailing around proclaiming your innocence?


Ding, Ding, Ding!!!

If you picked answer A.), you are a winner and you will probably not get your ass kicked by the cop.

Wow, that was such a simple answer!!!

I'm sure that there are many people that would have picked answer B.), but then I guess thats why so many people get their asses kicked by the cops.

[TheOne1]

why not just read a book..then you will know what force they can use.. how far they must be to oc spray you, if they double-locked the handcuffs, if they announced themselves...and if they used both lights AND sirens while pulling you over, since they must use both...

it can be a pay day in court, especially civil cout.. if you get arrested and if the police don't do exactly everything correctly..

educate yourself.. (you-tube conspiracies don't count..sorry)

[El Nino]

Are you kidding dude?? Cops get away with vitually everything. They lie and the Judge says, ok cop... you're right. Sooo rare to encounter anything different. Money talks though.

[TheOne1]

Are you kidding dude?? Cops get away with vitually everything. They lie and the Judge says, ok cop... you're right. Sooo rare to encounter anything different. Money talks though.

civil court is MUCH different.... that is why most l.e. put everything in their wifes/husbands name..

if a person is cleared criminally...they can still go broke with a civil court decision

[Kriss]

Here is a question for everyone.

If a man has little or no self esteem, zero creative potential, he doesn't have any skills he can earn money with, he doesn't know his history or anyone else's, he has no real understanding of how the world works, no appreciation of other cultures, envious and resentful of his fellow man, always kept on the outside of real decisions, facing a life of grunt work, too fat for the army, too dumb for the mob

Isn't it fair that he can have a chance to feel important, powerful, feared, to get his own back on all those who have a choice in life

[tubgirl]

I tell you one thing......if that THING in that uniform had did that to MY daughter he would already be dead!


if the policeman did that to my daughter, the first thing i would do was question why my daughter was brought up to disrespect authority. c'mon, man, biting people? damn, i hope you don't actually have children...

[tubgirl]

Here is a question for everyone.

If a cop with a gun, club, pepper spray and handcuffs stops you for breaking a law and tells you to put you hands behind your back.

Do you...


A.) Stop what you are doing and put your hands behind your back?

OR

B.) Start flailing around proclaiming your innocence?


Ding, Ding, Ding!!!

If you picked answer A.), you are a winner and you will probably not get your ass kicked by the cop.

Wow, that was such a simple answer!!!

I'm sure that there are many people that would have picked answer B.), but then I guess thats why so many people get their asses kicked by the cops.

quoted for the truth...

[chefmike]

Here is a question for everyone.

If a cop with a gun, club, pepper spray and handcuffs stops you for breaking a law and tells you to put you hands behind your back.

Do you...


A.) Stop what you are doing and put your hands behind your back?

OR

B.) Start flailing around proclaiming your innocence?


Ding, Ding, Ding!!!

If you picked answer A.), you are a winner and you will probably not get your ass kicked by the cop.

Wow, that was such a simple answer!!!

I'm sure that there are many people that would have picked answer B.), but then I guess thats why so many people get their asses kicked by the cops.

quoted for the truth...

KrazyKrisp wouldn't know the truth if it ran over him. Paranoid-schizophrenics who are off of their meds aren't capable of rational thought.

[DeepSecret]

so what should he of done? just let her go? he obviously was not getting anywhere asking her to put her arm behind her back. i dont think race or sex has anything to do with it. 15 seems young but shes old enough to know what shes doing. cop tells you to do something...just do it, it will make everything alot easier for everyone

[evilash]

Here is a question for everyone.

If a man has little or no self esteem, zero creative potential, he doesn't have any skills he can earn money with, he doesn't know his history or anyone else's, he has no real understanding of how the world works, no appreciation of other cultures, envious and resentful of his fellow man, always kept on the outside of real decisions, facing a life of grunt work, too fat for the army, too dumb for the mob

Isn't it fair that he can have a chance to feel important, powerful, feared, to get his own back on all those who have a choice in life
Sounds like a description of yourself Kris . Cops have to go through vigorous testing,physical,psychological, and academic before they are even considered to become cops. Your view on police is stereotypical,juvinile and just plain ignorant.
I'm not saying that there isn't bad police, there are but its a very small percentage. Let's remember that there are crooked people in every organization (even in the mob). This officer did nothing wrong and he knows that he did nothing wrong because he stayed in front of HIS video camera that is attached to his car.Its the media that blows everything out of proportion,you being into conspiracies should know this but I think you're just another hypocrite. Grow up yo.

[chefmike]

Here is a question for everyone.

If a man has little or no self esteem, zero creative potential, he doesn't have any skills he can earn money with, he doesn't know his history or anyone else's, he has no real understanding of how the world works, no appreciation of other cultures, envious and resentful of his fellow man, always kept on the outside of real decisions, facing a life of grunt work, too fat for the army, too dumb for the mob

Isn't it fair that he can have a chance to feel important, powerful, feared, to get his own back on all those who have a choice in life
Sounds like you're describing yourself.

LMFAO! Good call!

[Kriss]

cop tells you to do something...just do it, it will make everything alot easier for everyone

:banghead

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15649790/

[dan_drade]

Here is a question for everyone.

If a man has little or no self esteem, zero creative potential, he doesn't have any skills he can earn money with, he doesn't know his history or anyone else's, he has no real understanding of how the world works, no appreciation of other cultures, envious and resentful of his fellow man, always kept on the outside of real decisions, facing a life of grunt work, too fat for the army, too dumb for the mob

Isn't it fair that he can have a chance to feel important, powerful, feared, to get his own back on all those who have a choice in life


And just what are the voices in your head telling you to do now kriss? I'll bet they are really mean to you, aren't they.

[SarahG]

Cops have to go through vigorous testing,physical,psychological, and academic before they are even considered to become cops.

That's just plain wrong.

SOME cops depending on where they are go through extensive testing in those areas but that is not true everywhere in the country.

You know that 20 year old cop out in Wisconsin that shot 6 kids to death because they made fun of him recently? That cop had NEVER gone through any psyc screening whatsoever.

[DeClock]

As a retired Police officer I do disagree with many of the comments posted. I once had a 13 year old girl pull a knife on me so I understand the policy of "take them out first". The officer in the video gave the girl many attempts to comply she did not!! I would have sprayed her too. SORRY, but look at it from the point of view that as a Police Office we want to go home at the end of our shift, not the hospital or worst.

[tsafficianado]

When I read SOME of the comments in this thread it makes me very sad.
We cant even agree on right and wrong which is why there is war and racism and other problems.
Some of you are just ignorant and some of you are racist.......thats my opinion and no arguing or discussion will change you.
Some of you remind me of Larry Craig and Pastor Ted and ALL the others......hypocrites!
I tell you one thing......if that THING in that uniform had did that to MY daughter he would already be dead!
That was beyond gross what he did and to see white men on CNN discussing it as if it was some type of clinical transaction disgusts me.
We as a species have SO far to go.

so, SB, you would murder a police officer for performing the duties he is sworn to do? is this what you mean when you say 'we as a species have so far to go'?
you suggested in another rant that black people hate and fear the police for things that happened 50 and 100 years ago, do you REALLY think that was what was going through this little whiner's mind when she threw her tantrum? i didn't hear her saying 'don't throw me in the back of the police car and beat my ass, don't lynch me', i heard her saying 'i don't want to go to jail, i didn't do nothing'. ....she's a spoiled little brat, she does not believe she is accountable for violations of the law, and she does not believe ANYONE has the authority to tell her different....not her parents, not her teachers, not the police and not the judge. makes no difference to me WHAT race she was, if a little piece of white trash pitched the same fit i would expect the officer to react in the same way and i would endorse it. he wouldn't do it to my daughter because i wouldn't raise a spolied little piece of trash, perhaps you are different.

YOU are the racist, because you think that black people should be allowed to do as they damn well please because of things that happened a century or two ago. YOU think the black community needs to whine about the past and lash out at authority and subvert the system and worship hip-hop thugs and murder civil servants and rely on the rantings of idiots like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to deliver you to nirvana.....rather than encouraging young black people to value education and a work ethic and a stable family environment and a stable community environment or encouraging black men to take responsibility for the lives they create.

by the way, when you want to attack someone with a comment such as 'your ignorant' you might want to remember that the contraction of you and are is 'you're'.

[TheOne1]

Cops have to go through vigorous testing,physical,psychological, and academic before they are even considered to become cops.

That's just plain wrong.

SOME cops depending on where they are go through extensive testing in those areas but that is not true everywhere in the country.

You know that 20 year old cop out in Wisconsin that shot 6 kids to death because they made fun of him recently? That cop had NEVER gone through any psyc screening whatsoever.

are you sure that he never went through a psych eval.. or do you think that eval. would even make a difference from when he had first been recruited? Keep in mind L.E. is one of the most stressful jobs, and (i believe) has one of the largest suicide rates among occupations, and recenty had many programs to assist (a cop suicide hotline) i dont think it was because they just made fun of him.. didn't he go to the party where his ex gf was dating her new bf (which was one of his partners)..


as for the cops that make very bad judgement calls (also realize they have seconds to make a life changing decision, which the public or a court system has years to rip apart)
you have to take into account that most places in the country, L.E. agencies pays like shit..so the type of people that will accept that shit pay are mostly shit people just looking to have power.. you'll notice in the high paying L.E. agencies, you rarely hear ANYTHING going wrong with them because they actually care if they lose their 120K or more job...

[bxguy34]

I can't believe how naive some of the people in this forum are. That cop absolutly did the right thing. He intentionally brought the girl in front of his car w/ a microphone so that the whole thing would be recorded. He was only doing his job and this girl resisted. This girl got pepper sprayed, so what? She will quickly recover, it prevented it from becoming more violent. She tried to bite the officer, if she broke the skin who knows what disease she would expose him to, just so he can bring that home to his family at the end of the day. I applaud him for a job well done.

I'm not trying to say that police brutality doesn't exist, of course it does and has happened throughout history. Most of the time it is justified and the victim deserved it.

[youcancallmeclaire]

I tried to eat a sponge once.

[SarahG]

Cops have to go through vigorous testing,physical,psychological, and academic before they are even considered to become cops.

That's just plain wrong.

SOME cops depending on where they are go through extensive testing in those areas but that is not true everywhere in the country.

You know that 20 year old cop out in Wisconsin that shot 6 kids to death because they made fun of him recently? That cop had NEVER gone through any psyc screening whatsoever.

are you sure that he never went through a psych eval.. or do you think that eval. would even make a difference from when he had first been recruited? Keep in mind L.E. is one of the most stressful jobs, and (i believe) has one of the largest suicide rates among occupations, and recenty had many programs to assist (a cop suicide hotline) i dont think it was because they just made fun of him.. didn't he go to the party where his ex gf was dating her new bf (which was one of his partners)..


as for the cops that make very bad judgement calls (also realize they have seconds to make a life changing decision, which the public or a court system has years to rip apart)
you have to take into account that most places in the country, L.E. agencies pays like shit..so the type of people that will accept that shit pay are mostly shit people just looking to have power.. you'll notice in the high paying L.E. agencies, you rarely hear ANYTHING going wrong with them because they actually care if they lose their 120K or more job...

The following was on yahoo news:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/08102007/3/world-deputy-fired-30-rounds-rifle-wisconsin-house-party.html



Deputy fired 30 rounds from rifle at Wisconsin house party

Mon Oct 8, 1:03 PM

VANCOUVER (CBC) - An off-duty deputy sheriff who killed six people at a weekend house party fired 30 rounds of ammunition, police in Wisconsin said Monday.

Tyler Peterson, 20, was shot and killed Sunday morning, hours after opening fire in an apartment at a house in Crandon where a group of high school students and recent graduates had gathered for a pizza and movie party.

During a news conference on Monday, Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen confirmed Peterson was involved in some type of argument at the apartment before the shooting.

"Peterson then left the building, retrieved a rifle from his truck, forcibly entered the apartment and began to open fire," he said. "Approximately 30 rounds were fired inside the apartment."

Crandon Police Chief John Dennee said Peterson's former girlfriend was one of the victims.

"They were in a relationship for a few years, had broken up and were back and forth," he said.

Van Hollen said Peterson was in contact with police following the shooting, confirming to Dennee that he was the shooter.

Police and justice officials spoke to Peterson by phone when he was located in a home in a nearby town later Sunday morning and tried to get him to surrender, said Van Hollen.

"We did try to negotiate a potential settlement. We tried to get him to surrender," said Dennee, who said he spoke with Peterson during the standoff.

"He was calm. He understood the dilemma he was in."

Survivor upgraded

Van Hollen said shots were fired by both police and Peterson, and that the cause of the former deputy sheriff's death was under investigation. The bodies of all the victims and the shooter were undergoing autopsies, said Van Hollen.

A police officer was injured by broken glass during the exchange of gunfire, but has been treated and released, said Dennee.

The lone survivor of the shooting, Charlie Neitzel, 17, was upgraded to serious condition Monday, said a hospital spokesperson.

Wisconsin Justice Department spokesperson Kevin St. John said Peterson used the same type of rifle issued by the sheriff's department to carry out the shootings, but couldn't confirm whether it was a police weapon.

Family statement

During Monday's news conference, local pastor Bill Farr read a statement from the Peterson family, who expressed their shock, grief and sorrow over the deaths.

"We also feel a tremendous amount of guilt and shame for the horrible acts Tyler committed," said the statement. "We are struggling to respond like most of you. We do not know what we should do.

"We are in shock and disbelief that he would do such terrible things. This was not the Tyler we know and loved."

Three of the victims were Crandon High School students, said school district Supt. Richard Peters, and the other three had graduated in the past three years.

Classes were cancelled Monday but will resume on Wednesday, said Peters.

The rampage raised questions in the remote northern Wisconsin community about how Peterson could have met requirements to become a law enforcement officer.

No psychological testing was performed, but he had undergone other background checks and completed all required training by the state, authorities said.

"We had no idea, obviously, that anything like this would ever occur," said Dennee. "Once we realized that he was our suspect, he was no longer a cop."

With files from the Associated Press

[evilash]

Cops have to go through vigorous testing,physical,psychological, and academic before they are even considered to become cops.

That's just plain wrong.

SOME cops depending on where they are go through extensive testing in those areas but that is not true everywhere in the country.

You know that 20 year old cop out in Wisconsin that shot 6 kids to death because they made fun of him recently? That cop had NEVER gone through any psyc screening whatsoever.

are you sure that he never went through a psych eval.. or do you think that eval. would even make a difference from when he had first been recruited? Keep in mind L.E. is one of the most stressful jobs, and (i believe) has one of the largest suicide rates among occupations, and recenty had many programs to assist (a cop suicide hotline) i dont think it was because they just made fun of him.. didn't he go to the party where his ex gf was dating her new bf (which was one of his partners)..


as for the cops that make very bad judgement calls (also realize they have seconds to make a life changing decision, which the public or a court system has years to rip apart)
you have to take into account that most places in the country, L.E. agencies pays like shit..so the type of people that will accept that shit pay are mostly shit people just looking to have power.. you'll notice in the high paying L.E. agencies, you rarely hear ANYTHING going wrong with them because they actually care if they lose their 120K or more job...

The following was on yahoo news:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/08102007/3/world-deputy-fired-30-rounds-rifle-wisconsin-house-party.html



Deputy fired 30 rounds from rifle at Wisconsin house party

Mon Oct 8, 1:03 PM

VANCOUVER (CBC) - An off-duty deputy sheriff who killed six people at a weekend house party fired 30 rounds of ammunition, police in Wisconsin said Monday.

Tyler Peterson, 20, was shot and killed Sunday morning, hours after opening fire in an apartment at a house in Crandon where a group of high school students and recent graduates had gathered for a pizza and movie party.

During a news conference on Monday, Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen confirmed Peterson was involved in some type of argument at the apartment before the shooting.

"Peterson then left the building, retrieved a rifle from his truck, forcibly entered the apartment and began to open fire," he said. "Approximately 30 rounds were fired inside the apartment."

Crandon Police Chief John Dennee said Peterson's former girlfriend was one of the victims.

"They were in a relationship for a few years, had broken up and were back and forth," he said.

Van Hollen said Peterson was in contact with police following the shooting, confirming to Dennee that he was the shooter.

Police and justice officials spoke to Peterson by phone when he was located in a home in a nearby town later Sunday morning and tried to get him to surrender, said Van Hollen.

"We did try to negotiate a potential settlement. We tried to get him to surrender," said Dennee, who said he spoke with Peterson during the standoff.

"He was calm. He understood the dilemma he was in."

Survivor upgraded

Van Hollen said shots were fired by both police and Peterson, and that the cause of the former deputy sheriff's death was under investigation. The bodies of all the victims and the shooter were undergoing autopsies, said Van Hollen.

A police officer was injured by broken glass during the exchange of gunfire, but has been treated and released, said Dennee.

The lone survivor of the shooting, Charlie Neitzel, 17, was upgraded to serious condition Monday, said a hospital spokesperson.

Wisconsin Justice Department spokesperson Kevin St. John said Peterson used the same type of rifle issued by the sheriff's department to carry out the shootings, but couldn't confirm whether it was a police weapon.

Family statement

During Monday's news conference, local pastor Bill Farr read a statement from the Peterson family, who expressed their shock, grief and sorrow over the deaths.

"We also feel a tremendous amount of guilt and shame for the horrible acts Tyler committed," said the statement. "We are struggling to respond like most of you. We do not know what we should do.

"We are in shock and disbelief that he would do such terrible things. This was not the Tyler we know and loved."

Three of the victims were Crandon High School students, said school district Supt. Richard Peters, and the other three had graduated in the past three years.

Classes were cancelled Monday but will resume on Wednesday, said Peters.

The rampage raised questions in the remote northern Wisconsin community about how Peterson could have met requirements to become a law enforcement officer.

No psychological testing was performed, but he had undergone other background checks and completed all required training by the state, authorities said.

"We had no idea, obviously, that anything like this would ever occur," said Dennee. "Once we realized that he was our suspect, he was no longer a cop."

With files from the Associated Press
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/10/11/2007-10-11_thug_convicted_in_police_officers_shooti.html?r ef=rss

[evilash]

I tried to eat a sponge once.If you dont succeed the first time then by all means try try again.

[TheOne1]

Most dept.'s use one psych. doctor, and use the exam as a tool to weed out the people they did not want to get hired. If a person is in top percentage of state tests, has all requirements, and passes the physical tests, the only way a dept. can release a recruit without incident (being sued) is by the psych eval. (that is my own opinion)...

and as i stated before..police work is one of the most stressful jobs, and a psych eval. done before a person even has started working will not show red flags that a veteran police officer (or even one in their first probationary year) will show.

its a thankless job (obviously), and whoever does it, thank you.

[Kriss]

so, SB, you would murder a police officer for performing the duties he is sworn to do? is this what you mean when you say 'we as a species have so far to go'?

What the fuck?
are you just trying to push Solitary Brother's buttons or is there something weird that you are insinuating.
Yes , race IS relevant to the topic of police brutality and i KNOW that many police are racist while many are NOT.
Also , very relevant is that there are many Black officers that see and hear of these abuses and don't speak out and are intimidated by a strain of racism that lingers beneath the surface of our police departments.

We have a crazy system that is re-inforced by the corruption and lack of accountabilty within the police.

Cops are SCARED of the people. The people are SCARED of cops and cops are SCARED of other cops, their bosses and the media.

The only way to stem the wave of police brutality is for people to film the cops whenever they see anything thgey don't like, take numbers, plates, times.
Equally, COPS must choose to question orders they believe to be ineffective and also record names, numbers, times of officers they suspect of corruption or racism.

[SmashysmashY]

Article 1, section 8, of the U.S. Constitution provides (in part):

The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises [ . . . ] but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

The Sixteenth Amendment) of the United States Constitution which was ratified on February 3, 1913. provides as follows:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That's de jur, or what the law of the land says. But de facto is what the law-of the land does, and the fact is that the State has been collecting income tax and punishing those who try to avoid their payment, with such actions being approved by every level of the Judicial system for close to 100 years.

Its one thing to trot out bizarre conspiracy theories on a forum. Try not paying your taxes and you will have those discussions in the cell block where you can proclaim your innocence just as loudly and with just as much credibility as all the other inmates there.

FK

the stanton decision in 1916 found that the 16th amendment granted no new powers of taxation. the supreme court is the final arbiter of he law (marbury v. madison). Saying that the 16 amendment legalizes direct un-apportioned taxes shows your ignorance of the constitution. and even if it were constitutional it would still be tyrannical.

[Kriss]

Girl at high school brutalised by security thugs for dropping cake.....then arrested!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5zRPyg0at4

[redtiger]

Actually, from what I saw the officer acted appropriately. She was out past curfew. He was arresting her. She resisted arrest. He continuously told her to put her hands behind her back so he could handcuff her. She continued to resist to the point where she actually bit the officer. Let's see, so far she's broken curfew, which she probably knew about but thought she wouldn't get caught. She continuously resists arrest. Then she bites the officer-that's assaulting a police officer.

I'm not surprised she got punched or pepper sprayed. The punch was out-of-line, but he was well within his authority to pepper spray her because she kept resisting arrest.

While it's true there are some bad apples out there I don't think this officer was being racist. I didn't here him say the N-word while he was trying to arrest her. And I didn't here him say nappy-haired(whatever) either. I don't even think the B-word was used either.

The only part of the movie anyone really gets to see is the time she resists arrest. What about before he stepped in front of the camera. Perhaps she gave him good cause to arrest her and then when he did she realized she had taken it too far.

We can't judge all police officers by what you see on this video. Nor can we judge the 15yo by this video alone. We have to have ALL THE FACTS!! And this video alone does not provide that!

[fitfred]

why should the police have to fight without assistance to enforce the law - why should they have to fight on equal terms - why should biting a police officer be OK?

The police don't have to take their chances, they should be able to do their job on our behalf without having to wonder whether they are going to come home at the end of their duty alive, bitten, stabbed etc.

they put themselves in harm's way for us - and if we end up on the wrong side of the law, we should either acquiesce to their requests or face the consequences.

The police should not have to fight fair - they should not have to fight at all - and if we fight back, they should be able to use all reasonable measures to protect themselves and get their job done.

nothing i saw here contradicted that.

racist - what, because he is white and she is black its racist??

unfair becuase she is small and young?

try an existence without cops - try it for 3 hours - or 3 days, as happenned during a police strike once, and watch the law abiding citizens loot, murder etc as they did - or try it for years, like Bosnia.

Don't label every policeman's actions on the basis of a few bad men and their sick racist bullying behaviour - most do a fantastic job in shit conditions.

And finally. put yourself in his position. For whatever reason, you are arresting this girl - how would you deal with it?..go on, you know you would sit her down and have a rational discussion over a cup of tea - you just would, wouldn't you - you soft shite

[kaiser1one]

Since you decided to revive a dead topic.

I noticed after reading(all 17 pages....)
that ppl keep saying they'd had sprayed her as well.

Well keep in mind the dude PUNCHED her first.
THAT'S whats got alot of ppl on edge with that video.

I agree with the spraying too, but NOT the punch.
That chicks the size of my sister and I KNOW my sister couldn't fight off me let alone a full grown male adult.

[bulldog]

Since you decided to revive a dead topic.

I noticed after reading(all 17 pages....)
that ppl keep saying they'd had sprayed her as well.

Well keep in mind the dude PUNCHED her first.
THAT'S whats got alot of ppl on edge with that video.

I agree with the spraying too, but NOT the punch.
That chicks the size of my sister and I KNOW my sister couldn't fight off me let alone a full grown male adult.


I agree totally with this, he shouldnt have punched her, he should have just pushed her on the hood and maced her, because it wasnt the punch that did her in, it was the mace.

Ben

[redtiger]

This makes me sick, and people try to tell me that the police are not racist thugs

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/051007_curfew_arrest.htm



I am fine with what she got. If she was off the street when she was supposed to be.........problem solved.


Then.......all she had to do was go along with the request to put her hands behind her back and she constantly refused after 100 requests.

Then when he has no choice to use force, she bites him. At that point she deserved to get punched and pepper sprayed. I am on the cops side here.

I also do not think race has anything to do with this.

I am usually not on the cops side in cases like "41 shots" and (sp?) amadu dialo. Those cops should rot in hell.

But here..........the law is the law. I don't care what race, what sex, or what age you are.

I'd thank him for doing his job.


I agree with Wombat33. The girl was under aged and out past curfew. It was probably a school nite but yet she's out. What were her parents doing? She resisted the officer even after he repeatedly warned her. The punch might have been out-of-line, but after having bit him the level of the charges went up a notch too. Instead of just having her parents facing a possible fine for her being out past curfew, they now have to bail her out of jail for assault on a police officer.

If she had been smart the officer might have taken her straight home with a warning to her parents. But, as is sometimes the case, emotions cloud peoples judgement and they do stupid stuff which turns a bad situation into an even worse situation.

[kaiser1one]

Kids can sneak out of parents home you know.
Parents can't watch their kids with some invisble eye while they sleep.

[Cuchulain]

I just watched the video. here's my 2 cents. The cop behaved appropriately at first, but let things get out of control. She didn't look like some wild-eyed crackhead to me, just a scared kid. The punch may have been a visceral reaction, but one that he should have been trained to resist. It should result in disciplinary action and could be basis for a lawsuit. The mace was probably SOP, but shouldn't have been necessary. He was a head taller and probably 60 lbs. heavier than that little slip of a girl. If he couldn't control her, he needs to get his scrawny ass into the weightroom. What's he gonna do with a 300 lb. drunk, shoot him?

I wasn't there and don't know the full scenario, just reacting to the vid. I can't help wondering how my local Chief of Police - a good egg who really cares about the people of his community - would have handled this. I bet the girl would have been in the car quickly with no altercation. He'd quickly fire any deputy who ever punched a suspect unless his life was in danger.

[El Nino]

http://www.infowars.com/?p=1794

[El Nino]

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