View Full Version : So if it's not about genitals, what is it about trans women?
whatsupwithat
10-02-2007, 05:17 AM
someone (thank you, luna!) passed this quote on to me and i so loved and heard it, i had to share.
"My friend, still perplexed, asked me, "So if it's not about genitals, what is it about trans women's bodies that you find most attractive?"
I paused for a second to consider the question. Then I replied that it is almost always their eyes. When I look into them, I see both endless strength and inconsolable sadness. I see someone who has overcome humiliation and abuses that would flatten the average person. I see a woman who was made to feel shame for her desires and yet had the courage to pursue them anyway. I see a woman who was forced against her will into boyhood, who held on to a dream that everybody in her life desperately tried to beat out of her, who refused to listen to the endless stream of people who told her that who she was and what she wanted was impossible.
When I look into trans women's eyes, I see a profound appreciation for how fucking empowering it can be to be female, an appreciation that seems lost on many cissexual women who sadly take their female identities and anatomies for granted, or who perpetually seek to cast themselves as victims rather than instigators. In trans women's eyes, I see a wisdom that can only come from having to fight for your right to be recognized as female, a raw strength that only comes from unabashedly asserting your right to be feminine in an inhospitable world. In a trans woman's eyes, I see someone who understands that, in a culture that's seemingly fueled on male homophobic hysteria, choosing to be female and openly expressing one's femininity is not a sign of frivolousness, weakness, or passivity, it is a fucking badge of courage. Everybody loves to say that drag queens are "fabulous," but nobody seems to get the fact that trans women are fucking badass!"
- Julia Serano, "Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity"
yeah!!!! yes, yes, yes!
Mr_Man
10-02-2007, 05:48 AM
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JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel
10-02-2007, 05:52 AM
what I look into a woman's eyes it's usually to wonder how they'd look with sunglasses on so it wouldn't seem as if they were trying to fuck me mentally with those bedroom stares.......................
great thread E
hey Jen's
(hehe all 3 of you)
slinky
10-02-2007, 05:53 AM
vomitvomitvomitvomitvomitvomitvomitvomit
mikejones
10-02-2007, 05:53 AM
someone (thank you, luna!) passed this quote on to me and i so loved and heard it, i had to share.
"My friend, still perplexed, asked me, "So if it's not about genitals, what is it about trans women's bodies that you find most attractive?"
I paused for a second to consider the question. Then I replied that it is almost always their eyes. When I look into them, I see both endless strength and inconsolable sadness. I see someone who has overcome humiliation and abuses that would flatten the average person. I see a woman who was made to feel shame for her desires and yet had the courage to pursue them anyway. I see a woman who was forced against her will into boyhood, who held on to a dream that everybody in her life desperately tried to beat out of her, who refused to listen to the endless stream of people who told her that who she was and what she wanted was impossible.
When I look into trans women's eyes, I see a profound appreciation for how fucking empowering it can be to be female, an appreciation that seems lost on many cissexual women who sadly take their female identities and anatomies for granted, or who perpetually seek to cast themselves as victims rather than instigators. In trans women's eyes, I see a wisdom that can only come from having to fight for your right to be recognized as female, a raw strength that only comes from unabashedly asserting your right to be feminine in an inhospitable world. In a trans woman's eyes, I see someone who understands that, in a culture that's seemingly fueled on male homophobic hysteria, choosing to be female and openly expressing one's femininity is not a sign of frivolousness, weakness, or passivity, it is a fucking badge of courage. Everybody loves to say that drag queens are "fabulous," but nobody seems to get the fact that trans women are fucking badass!"
- Julia Serano, "Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity"
yeah!!!! yes, yes, yes!
Powerful stuff. I never really considered it that deeply. Good post.
Ecstatic
10-02-2007, 06:59 AM
Excellent post, e. I'm going to have to look up that book.
El Nino
10-02-2007, 07:45 AM
I concur. Nice post. The cock in the panties doesn't hurt though... :)
TrueBeauty TS
10-02-2007, 09:17 AM
I concur. Nice post. The cock in the panties doesn't hurt though... :)
It will if it's big enough. :wink:
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justatransgirl
10-02-2007, 11:16 AM
It IS all about genitals... and wallets...
Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)
Well expressed in that quote...makes me want to read and hear more what Julia Serano has to say.
I found this performance by her, 5 minutes of her being "cocky" :D
http://img.youtube.com/vi/a95JP8i8GuE/1.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95JP8i8GuE)http://img.youtube.com/vi/a95JP8i8GuE/2.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95JP8i8GuE)http://img.youtube.com/vi/a95JP8i8GuE/3.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95JP8i8GuE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95JP8i8GuE
Now to sit back and watch how many punters will comment on her appearance rather on than the substance of what she has to say.
trannybanger
10-02-2007, 04:10 PM
I concur. Nice post. The cock in the panties doesn't hurt though... :)
It will if it's big enough. :wink:
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Now that, is fuckin funny.
whatsupwithat
10-02-2007, 05:32 PM
i've seen videos of her before. she's spot on in a lot of what she says.
62des
10-03-2007, 01:56 AM
That sounds like a dumb question. How could you not be attarcted to a female figure that looks really good? As him if Halle Berry had a dick, would he suck it...He should get the point then.
dc_guy_75
10-03-2007, 02:08 AM
It is a really good post... strength and sadness; while one is required to even consider living as a women, the other is a product of all the shit every tgirl has had to emotionally go through.
Thanks for that....
peoriashyguy
10-03-2007, 02:24 AM
Definitely the genitals
Wicked Mira
10-03-2007, 03:37 AM
someone (thank you, luna!) passed this quote on to me and i so loved and heard it, i had to share.
"My friend, still perplexed, asked me, "So if it's not about genitals, what is it about trans women's bodies that you find most attractive?"
I paused for a second to consider the question. Then I replied that it is almost always their eyes. When I look into them, I see both endless strength and inconsolable sadness. I see someone who has overcome humiliation and abuses that would flatten the average person. I see a woman who was made to feel shame for her desires and yet had the courage to pursue them anyway. I see a woman who was forced against her will into boyhood, who held on to a dream that everybody in her life desperately tried to beat out of her, who refused to listen to the endless stream of people who told her that who she was and what she wanted was impossible.
When I look into trans women's eyes, I see a profound appreciation for how fucking empowering it can be to be female, an appreciation that seems lost on many cissexual women who sadly take their female identities and anatomies for granted, or who perpetually seek to cast themselves as victims rather than instigators. In trans women's eyes, I see a wisdom that can only come from having to fight for your right to be recognized as female, a raw strength that only comes from unabashedly asserting your right to be feminine in an inhospitable world. In a trans woman's eyes, I see someone who understands that, in a culture that's seemingly fueled on male homophobic hysteria, choosing to be female and openly expressing one's femininity is not a sign of frivolousness, weakness, or passivity, it is a fucking badge of courage. Everybody loves to say that drag queens are "fabulous," but nobody seems to get the fact that trans women are fucking badass!"
- Julia Serano, "Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity"
yeah!!!! yes, yes, yes!
Wow! I'm truly taken aback by this. It really got to me.
First, my gratitude to Julia Serano. Will you marry me?
Whatsup, thank you for bringing that to this thread. I'm a post-op ts woman, and have been for about 10 years. I'm fascinated by what I have come to discover is a group of men who really do appreciate ts women, especially post-ops. And I'm so very grateful because they have been instrumental in helping me gain confidence and self-assurance as a ts woman, particularly sexually.
I have asked men interested in ts women the reason for their attraction. After all, I can see pre-op or non-ops. Chick with a dick thing. Easy. But why post-ops because if they want (to be blunt) pussy, why not just go to a gg girl?I have heard many explanations, mostly about our desire to be feminine. But never have I read or heard anything as accurate and insightful as this.
I think that life for everyone is a process of becoming comfortable in one's own skin and being happy with who you are. No small thing. In fact, it's really all there is. TS women are no different that way and but for us, even when we finally have the body we've so yearned for, it's not over. It's just beginning. Then we must begin trying to live as any other woman and for most of the last decade my life has been about trying to fit in. It's almost as though there's this subtle pressure to just be like any other woman. First, I don't know exactly what that's supposed to mean but I'm definitely not like any other woman and never wll be and never can be. I came to realize that I had started living just like everyone else and I wasn't any happier than they were. Watch out for the insidious tyranny of conformity, it is relentless.
I love having a woman's body. And reveling in that body and all its luscious, sensuous pleasure is worth every bit of sacrifice. And there is immense richness in all of the feelings that estrogen delivers. Men don't really have any real idea how testosterone narrows the scope of available emotions. After all, nature doesn't want the male of the species sitting around watching Terms of Endearment and sobbing as Debra Winger dies before her mother's eyes. Nature wants you toughened, more impervious, so you will go out there and kill the fucking bear. Estrogen makes a woman soft, to touch and in spirit and men so love that, they need that.
I am female in spirit and in body. I am tempered in character by struggle and triumph. As for the rest of me, others can argue about who and what I am.
hondarobot
10-03-2007, 04:16 AM
[/quote]Nature wants you toughened, more impervious, so you will go out there and kill the fucking bear. [/quote]
I think the caveman era ended awhile ago. Most testosterone-overdriven type guys end up either overtly, or stealth, with the gay crowd. They just lie to women more and feel the need to keep a "beard". It's true.
I think most us straight guys have no need to "kill the bear". That seems like kinda a dumb thing to want to do.
Ecstatic
10-03-2007, 05:59 AM
I don't know. Everytime a guy roots for his favorite football team to crush the other team, it's a substitute for killing the bear. It's still very much with us.
Wicked Mira
10-03-2007, 06:19 AM
Well expressed in that quote...makes me want to read and hear more what Julia Serano has to say.
I found this performance by her, 5 minutes of her being "cocky" :D
http://img.youtube.com/vi/a95JP8i8GuE/1.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95JP8i8GuE)http://img.youtube.com/vi/a95JP8i8GuE/2.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95JP8i8GuE)http://img.youtube.com/vi/a95JP8i8GuE/3.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95JP8i8GuE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a95JP8i8GuE
Now to sit back and watch how many punters will comment on her appearance rather on than the substance of what she has to say.
Wonderful. Really. Thanks so much for turning me on to this. I had to put it on my myspace page and my personal blog. She is something.
Wicked Mira
10-03-2007, 06:21 AM
Nature wants you toughened, more impervious, so you will go out there and kill the fucking bear. [/quote]
I think the caveman era ended awhile ago. Most testosterone-overdriven type guys end up either overtly, or stealth, with the gay crowd. They just lie to women more and feel the need to keep a "beard". It's true.
I think most us straight guys have no need to "kill the bear". That seems like kinda a dumb thing to want to do.[/quote]
Killing bears is a dumb thing to do. That's mostly why guys do it. However, that wasn't really the point.
I kill bears because they're good to eat.
What's the attraction of T-Girls to me? They're different than everyone else. Unique people interest me.
If they're nice actin'/lookin' and want to fool around with me that's even better.
El_hefe
10-03-2007, 06:47 AM
It's ALL about the cock, whether you suck it or not. The fact that it's connected to a nice smelling, long haired feminine creature closes the deal.
And then you kill the bear to "prove" your not gay.
scroller
10-03-2007, 07:25 AM
Voting for: "It's about genitals + boobs".
justatransgirl
10-03-2007, 07:45 AM
Thank you Mira for your wise and insightful comments as always.
Actually I think for a guy wanting to be topped it is more about the genitals. But for a guy who sees a t-girl as a woman and not a set of boobs attacked to a dick, I think what's below the belt is unimportant.
Like last night I went on a great date. He took me to my favorite Itallian place then to his hotel on the ocean. We had a fabulous time but he wasn't in the least intersted in my penis. Our time was about passion as a man and a woman. If I'd had a vagina would he have fucked it? Probably. But he wanted to see me because I am trans (and maybe because I have a very tight ass...) but not because I have a cock.
Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)
JANIRA
10-03-2007, 07:48 AM
I have to say that the way you expressed your feelings towards us Tgirls was very heartfelt, real , and undeniably beautiful. Its beautiful to see someone who can see surapas the boobs , cock, and female attributes , and so forth, Yes, it all does play a part in what the essence of Tgirls are , But there is so much more to a Tgirl than just the apparent physical features ,, theres a depth of truth, and pain, struggles, and a fearless way of being, to achive what we really want , to reach & strive for our happiness no matter what we have had to sacerfice and leave behind all the chaotic episodes we have encountered just to be who were ment to be.
mikey_stl
10-03-2007, 08:53 AM
It's not entirely about the genitals, although that's definitely part of it. And it's not so much about size, but whether or not she has them. But there's still more than genitals.
I find the quote interesting and can relate to it. There is something else about TGs that draws me to them. Many TGs have been through a lot in their life, and have endured a lot of pain and trauma. The few times I've gotten to know a TG well enough to know her story, it touches my heart. I want to hug her and hold her and encourage her and tell her everything's going to be all right.
I had that feeling some years ago -- my last experience with a TG escort. We had sex, which was good, but afterwards, rather than leaving, she told me that her mother, who she was very close to, had recently died. My mother had also recently died, and we commiserated about that. Then she told me that she recently broke up with her boyfriend, after someone in his family had seen her picture on the Internet as an escort. His family didn't know she was TG. Her boyfriend knew she was TG, but didn't know she was an escort.
Anyway, we talked and cuddled for a couple of hours -- and could have gone on longer, but she had to get up and catch a plane early the next morning. I thought about asking her out on a date, but I really don't think I could date someone who was currently working as an escort.
I'm not sure why I went into all of that. I think some men are drawn to women who have endured a lot of suffering. A lot of the GGs I've been attracted to have been the same way. Such women tend to bring out the best in me.
It's late at night and I'm tired and I'm not sure any of this is making any sense to anyone but me.
So much of this attraction that I have to TGs and certain GGs takes place on a gut level -- it's very instinctual. That's why it's so hard for me to explain it or analyze it. It just is.
Sideburns Brent
10-03-2007, 10:48 AM
Really it's not about the genitals.
I'm attracted to TG women more than GG women because TG women have had more to struggle for; which I respect them greatly.
Secondly, TG women seem to be more self reliant, self motivated, and determined than most of the women in my life.
TG women also exude a type of femininity that is very different from GG women (unfortunately I can't quantify).
Lastly, TG women look better than GG women and take more pride in being who they are, and really know who they are and want to be.
62des
10-04-2007, 02:19 AM
I'm strictly an ass man myself. Dick is just there physically speaking. Its not like there's a way to concince our dicks that these are not women. I love GG's but there no discrimination on TG's on my part because I admire them too.
youcancallmeclaire
10-04-2007, 05:11 AM
Inconsolable sadness? It's nothing that a superbuick won't fix.
Oh, wait...
I guess it is. Fuck. :cry:
tenduckmountain
10-04-2007, 08:16 AM
its mainly about the cock here... and ass.. but uh, i like ggs because of pussies and asses. so at least i'm fair.
Does this mean transsexuals can't hunt bears?
hondarobot
10-05-2007, 12:37 AM
Does this mean transsexuals can't hunt bears?
I doubt "Transexual Bear Hunt" would be a very good idea, especially if using the Hairy Gay Guy term for "bear". We have a Mens Only leather bar at our club, and I've snuck girls in there before to see it, if the girl thinks it's some swinging sex party going on and is curious. If you want to see some homosexuals freak out, bring a girl into one of their dimly lit cruise bars. It's like a Vagina Bomb had just exploded in the room.
Funny stuff.
:lol:
TopHeavyCutie
10-05-2007, 12:42 AM
Someone once told me that Trans women do not take their womanhood forgranted like a genetic woman does. And I am in so accordance with that. I am willing to die for my womanhood. Gentic girls do take that such for granted. They figure just becuase they were born Genetic female, they cna afford to slack off. I dont think so. Try to tell a feminist that!...lol
TJ347
10-05-2007, 01:09 AM
If I'd had a vagina would he have fucked it? Probably. But he wanted to see me because I am trans (and maybe because I have a very tight ass...) but not because I have a cock.
Please help me understand here...
Some guy wanted to see you because you are "trans", as you say, and maybe because you have a very tight ass (nice plug for the business, by the way), but not because you have a cock... And that's better how exactly?
If a guy wants to "see" a transsexual woman (and I won't even get into the topic of guys who are exclusively into transsexual women again) because he desperately wants to fuck her "very tight ass", as opposed to sucking her off and/or being topped by her, what is the difference? Either way, he's there for his sexual gratification, period. To be used for your ass versus being used for your cock... I fail to see how one indicates any more consideration for your worth as a human being than the other.
CORVETTEDUDE
10-05-2007, 01:25 AM
If I'd had a vagina would he have fucked it? Probably. But he wanted to see me because I am trans (and maybe because I have a very tight ass...) but not because I have a cock.
Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)
Jamie....I'm sorry. I don't agree with that, at all. If you really think that's true, I believe you've been drinking your own bath water.
:shrug
Legend
10-05-2007, 07:43 AM
someone (thank you, luna!) passed this quote on to me and i so loved and heard it, i had to share.
"My friend, still perplexed, asked me, "So if it's not about genitals, what is it about trans women's bodies that you find most attractive?"
I paused for a second to consider the question. Then I replied that it is almost always their eyes. When I look into them, I see both endless strength and inconsolable sadness. I see someone who has overcome humiliation and abuses that would flatten the average person. I see a woman who was made to feel shame for her desires and yet had the courage to pursue them anyway. I see a woman who was forced against her will into boyhood, who held on to a dream that everybody in her life desperately tried to beat out of her, who refused to listen to the endless stream of people who told her that who she was and what she wanted was impossible.
When I look into trans women's eyes, I see a profound appreciation for how fucking empowering it can be to be female, an appreciation that seems lost on many cissexual women who sadly take their female identities and anatomies for granted, or who perpetually seek to cast themselves as victims rather than instigators. In trans women's eyes, I see a wisdom that can only come from having to fight for your right to be recognized as female, a raw strength that only comes from unabashedly asserting your right to be feminine in an inhospitable world. In a trans woman's eyes, I see someone who understands that, in a culture that's seemingly fueled on male homophobic hysteria, choosing to be female and openly expressing one's femininity is not a sign of frivolousness, weakness, or passivity, it is a fucking badge of courage. Everybody loves to say that drag queens are "fabulous," but nobody seems to get the fact that trans women are fucking badass!"
- Julia Serano, "Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity"
yeah!!!! yes, yes, yes!
Sorry for reponding so late to this thread but thats actually how i feel,although i never would be able to to express it like that.One of the reason why i am attracted to transwomen is thier passion to be their true selves no matter what people say or what obstacles are in their way.I don't know how this will come out but personally i judge any gg/tg on thier character and personality so the penis is illrelevant to me.
TrueBeauty TS
10-05-2007, 09:27 AM
someone (thank you, luna!) passed this quote on to me and i so loved and heard it, i had to share.
"My friend, still perplexed, asked me, "So if it's not about genitals, what is it about trans women's bodies that you find most attractive?"
I paused for a second to consider the question. Then I replied that it is almost always their eyes. When I look into them, I see both endless strength and inconsolable sadness. I see someone who has overcome humiliation and abuses that would flatten the average person. I see a woman who was made to feel shame for her desires and yet had the courage to pursue them anyway. I see a woman who was forced against her will into boyhood, who held on to a dream that everybody in her life desperately tried to beat out of her, who refused to listen to the endless stream of people who told her that who she was and what she wanted was impossible.
When I look into trans women's eyes, I see a profound appreciation for how fucking empowering it can be to be female, an appreciation that seems lost on many cissexual women who sadly take their female identities and anatomies for granted, or who perpetually seek to cast themselves as victims rather than instigators. In trans women's eyes, I see a wisdom that can only come from having to fight for your right to be recognized as female, a raw strength that only comes from unabashedly asserting your right to be feminine in an inhospitable world. In a trans woman's eyes, I see someone who understands that, in a culture that's seemingly fueled on male homophobic hysteria, choosing to be female and openly expressing one's femininity is not a sign of frivolousness, weakness, or passivity, it is a fucking badge of courage. Everybody loves to say that drag queens are "fabulous," but nobody seems to get the fact that trans women are fucking badass!"
- Julia Serano, "Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity"
yeah!!!! yes, yes, yes!
When I look in your eyes
I see the wisdom of the world in your eyes
I see the sadness of a thousand goodbyes
When I look in your eyes.
And it is no surprise
To see the softness of the moon in your eyes
The gentle sparkle of the stars in the skies
When I look in your eyes.
In your eyes I see the deepness of the sea
I see the deepness of the love
The love I feel you feel for me.
Autumn comes, summer dies
I see the passing of the years in your eyes
And when we part they’ll be no tears, no goodbyes
I’ll just look into your eyes.
Those eyes …
So wise, so warm, so real
How I love the world your eyes reveal.
Aww.... who are we kidding? It's all about the cock.
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Aww.... who are we kidding? It's all about the cock.
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lets not forget about the anus and those great blowjob skills :twisted:
Ecstatic
10-05-2007, 02:44 PM
Aww.... who are we kidding? It's all about the cock.
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Ah, but substitute 'cock' for 'eyes' and the song doesn't quite flow so well....
TrueBeauty TS
10-05-2007, 06:09 PM
Aww.... who are we kidding? It's all about the cock.
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Ah, but substitute 'cock' for 'eyes' and the song doesn't quite flow so well....
True. It also makes the song seem different when you know that it's a love song sung to a seal. Not a navy SEAL, but an animal seal.
But... it seemed fitting. :shrug
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62des
10-06-2007, 06:34 PM
I have an answer for this. When ANY straight man sees a woman, he wants to suck and lick all over her body on any protruding body parts that she has such as ears, breasts and nipples, toes, etc. If you saw a beautiful woman, but she had a penis, you can figure out the rest.
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