She Males in Prison

[ABSOLUTE SHADE]

I dont know if anyone saw the show on "E" about prison love...

but guess what? I went to the website and saw that men can write to transgender prisoners.

So here goes the site for you guys:

http://www.writeaprisoner.com/

[Vicki Richter]

Wow that site is a trip. Where did you find the trannies? There aren't any in Cali or NYC. That site is pretty neat. Lots of 1st degree murderers (among others) looking for a date.

On this topic, transsexuals do typically get put in boy prison. However, some prisons actually have seperate wings for the TS. AZ had a big problem with a TS inmate complaining of regular rapes and such.

[hondarobot]

One of the subjects I had thought about doing a documentary on this summer was "Girls Serving Life In Prison".

Researching it, I found lots of weird, sad cases. One girl was 18, and she has stated in interviews that her brother had shot their father, and she took the blame to protect him, claiming she had been abused by her dad. Things, obviously, didn't work out (if her story is true), as she is now locked-up.

I'm still not sure if I'll work on that project or not.

[ABSOLUTE SHADE]

WHY DO U FIND THAT WEIRD?

[hondarobot]

Let's go over it piece by piece:

Brother shoots Father (for some trivial reason, can't recall)

Sister offers to cover-up for brother

Sister makes up story of being abused, killing father in self defense

Jury doesn't buy story about "self defense", sends girl to prison for life

Father dead
Sister in jail for life
Brother (only person who committed crime) lets sis take the fall, is free and clear as we speak.

Weird. Although horrible or tragic may have been better terms, assuming her story is true.

[Ecstatic]

If her story is true, her brother is reprehensible for letting her take the fall...though I'll bet she's not nearly as naive now as she was then, for whatever it's worth. Sounds like a movie of the week to me.

[hondarobot]

Of course, the flip side of that coin is she could be lying, and trying to sell her brother down the river. Two or more sides to every story, so ya just can't know for sure.

Where the hell is Wonder Womans Lasoo of Truth when ya need it?

(Hmmm, pretty sure that's not how "lasoo" is spelled, I can honestly say it's the first time I ever used it in a sentence)

[cruiser]

I think it's lasso...

[Felicia Katt]

Let's go over it piece by piece:
Brother shoots Father (for some trivial reason, can't recall)
Sister offers to cover-up for brother
Sister makes up story of being abused, killing father in self defense
Jury doesn't buy story about "self defense", sends girl to prison for life


That girl's story is a lot like the lyrics to the song "The Night the Lights went out in Georgia". Maybe the jury found her version off key?

Felicia

[hondarobot]

For some reason, I just laughed my ass off at the "Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia" reference, and I dont even really know the lyrics to the song.

Gallows humor, I guess, but I really did LOL.

Ahhhh, time to mix another drink. . .

[Felicia Katt]

He was on his way home from candletop
Been two weeks gone and he thought he’d stop
At web’s and have him a drink for he went home to her
Andy wo-lo said hello
He said hi what’s a doing
Wo said sit down I got some bad news that’s gonna hurt
Said I’m your best friend and you know that’s right
But your young bride ain’t home tonight
Since you been gone she’s been seeing that amos boy seth
He got mad and he saw red
Andy said boy don’t you lose your head
Cause to tell you the truth I’ve been with her myself

Chorus:
That’s the night the lights went out in georgia
That’s the night that they hung an innocent man
Don’t trust your soul to no back woods southern lawyer
Cause the judge in the town’s got bloodstains on his hand

Andy got scared and left the bar
Walking on home cause he didn’t live far you see
Andy didn’t have many friends and he just lost him one
Brother thought his wife must’ve left town
So he went home and finally found the only thing
Daddy had left him and that was a gun
He went off to andy’s house
Slipping through the back woods quiet as a mouse
Came upon some tracks too small for andy to make
He looked through the screen at the back porch door
He saw andy lying on the floor
In a puddle of blood and he started to shake

The georgia patrol was making their rounds
So he fired a shot just to flag em down
And a big bellied sheriff grabbed his gun and said
Why’d you do it?

The judge said guilty in a make believe trial
Slapped the sherrif on the back with a smile and said
Suppers waiting at home and I got to get to it

Chorus

They hung my brother before I could say
The tracks he saw while on his way
To andy’s house and back that night were mine
And his cheatin wife had never left town
And that’s one body that’ll be found
You see little sister don’t miss when she aims her gun

[hondarobot]

Wow, that song is actually a pretty cool little story. I'm going to have to listen to it again.

Of course now I'm wondering: maybe the sister or the brother were thinking of those lyrics when one of them hatched the whole scheme. . .

[Evilhomer]

of course she did it ...she was found guilty by a jury and is in prison.....everyone in prison is guilty....

[Felicia Katt]

of course she did it ...she was found guilty by a jury and is in prison.....everyone in prison is guilty....

I don't know if you were being facetious or sarcastic or sincere. If its the latter, you should check this out:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/01/31/illinois.executions.02/

Of the 25 people on death row in Illinois, 13 were exonerated. In other words, more than half were not guilty. That's in capital cases, where the trials are done in the most careful and scrupulous fashion. So who knows what the rate of wrongful convictions is in lesser cases.

Felicia

[Caleigh]

Felicia, thanks for that sobering news.

You so rock. Beautiful, sweet and socially aware.

[Vicki Richter]

Felicia,

I sincerely doubt 13 of 25 were not guilty. Our legal system is so fucked up that they could have been guilty, but got off on a technicallity. Lets be realistic here. I honestly believe in a fair trial and such, but I would gather that we have a lot of murders out on the streets because the police didn't do something procedurally correct in their arrest. Isn't that what the law is all about? Do something wrong, but keep contesting until you find someone to change their mind. I don't believe in sending good people to jail unjustly, but lets be reasonable. Of those 13 people who were sentenced in a jury trial, I would say closer to 11 or 12 of them were actually deserving. I don't think the law err's on the side of justice as much as we think.

V

[GroobySteven]

Here's another interesting statistic:
25% of the worlds inmates are in USA yet the US only accounts for about 5% of the world's population.

Of course, it's purely co-incidental that this rise happened at the same time as private, profit making prisons...

There are no citizens of the USA - only employees.
seanchai

[joyboy123]

Felicia,

I sincerely doubt 13 of 25 were not guilty. Our legal system is so fucked up that they could have been guilty, but got off on a technicallity. Lets be realistic here. I honestly believe in a fair trial and such, but I would gather that we have a lot of murders out on the streets because the police didn't do something procedurally correct in their arrest. Isn't that what the law is all about? Do something wrong, but keep contesting until you find someone to change their mind. I don't believe in sending good people to jail unjustly, but lets be reasonable. Of those 13 people who were sentenced in a jury trial, I would say closer to 11 or 12 of them were actually deserving. I don't think the law err's on the side of justice as much as we think.

V
I hope you are right.

[Felicia Katt]

Vicki, accepting your math, solely for purposes of argument ie that only 2 out of 25, were "not guilty", and ignoring that under this country's rule of law you are presumed innocent until proven guiity with due process of law, then around 8 per cent were wrongfully convicted.

According to my sources, the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world. In 2003, 5.6 million Americans either were or had been in prison. That works out to one American in 37. 8 per cent would mean that almost half a million (448000) didn't deserve to be there. In Texas alone, somewhere between 150 and 170 people have been executed in the last several years. That would mean 13 innocents were killed by that State.

Another study found there were serious reversible errors in over 50 per cent of all death penalty cases. Where those accused were retried 82 per cent got lesser sentences than death and fully 7 per cent were found not guilty.

http://www.dpio.org/archives/Articles/Fraught_with_Error.html

I agree with you that our legal system is screwed up. But its like Churchill said 'It's the worst system imaginable -except for every other one that's actually been tried". People are outraged when someone who seems to be guilty goes free. But no one seems to raise their voice, or if they do, have it heard, when an innocent loses his life or liberty.

As Martin Luther King wrote (ironically from a prison cell where he was being wrongfully held) "An injustice to one man threatens justice jo all men equally"

Felicia

btw, its good to have you to argue with again :)

[Felicia Katt]

Felicia, thanks for that sobering news.

You so rock. Beautiful, sweet and socially aware.

I can't plead guilty as charged. But thank you :)

Felicia

[Vicki Richter]

Here's another interesting statistic:
25% of the worlds inmates are in USA yet the US only accounts for about 5% of the world's population.

Of course, it's purely co-incidental that this rise happened at the same time as private, profit making prisons...

There are no citizens of the USA - only employees.
seanchai

That is kinda true... Sad and funny at the same time. I think legalized minor drug use and prostitution would actually improve our way of life considerably. Then the government could tax and regulate both industries. It would be so much better for guys to be able to date girls with regular tests, etc. I've mentioned this before. I am not a drug user and never have even tried marijuana. I'm not an escort either as many people know. However, I see nothing wrong with either. I would imagine X in moderation is OK too but again I've never tried it.

Our society is a real contradiction at times. We have more than most countries, so there is more for people to want, and more for people to take. The very fact that someone like Martha Stewart ended up in prison is why our prisons are so full. She isn't dangerous. I think she should have had to pay back the money (plus interest), but jail? Nah. There is a lot of crime which just doesn't really warrant putting someone behind bars.

Anyway, I also see the dark side of our society. What is worse 1 innocent person getting put in jail for life, or 10 murderers walking free? It's a tough call right? I think a lot of people would take the "as long as it's not me" answer to that one. We don't want killers, rapists, or child mollesters walking among us. Rape is a really tough one though too. I hate that "her word against his" thing. I still think Mike Tyson got a raw deal. She went to his room at like 2-3am. What did she expect they were going to do?

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[T-chaser]

Yo Vicki, try it.. You might like it. Its not addicting and in moderation is better for you than drinking. Have you even ever had a drink? :)

[hondarobot]

I agree with most of what Vicki said (not really 100% on the Tyson rape thing, sure she probably figured they were going to the room for sex, but she certainly didn't want to be attacked- I'm just saying).

One solution, beyond decriminalizing drugs & prostitution, would be to make a serious attempt to improve the climate of prisons themselves. Allow people to be able to reform and educate themselves. Being locked up for theft would still suck, but you'd have a chance to improve yourself so you don't have to resort to stealing again, and not have to worry about getting raped, beat up, or shanked in the laundry room by Icepick the skinhead. And when the system does err on the side of caution and someone gets put away unfairly, it would not be a good time, but they also would not be thrust into utter hell, either.

For the child molestors, rapists, and violent psychopaths, I'd recommend a penal colony with very loose internal security.

[Vicki Richter]

Yo Vicki, try it.. You might like it. Its not addicting and in moderation is better for you than drinking. Have you even ever had a drink? :)

Drinking is my vice. I got it bad darlin. The NYC girls were jealous they couldn't drink as much as me.

[Ecstatic]

So your immune system is in great shape, but not so much your liver, ehh Vicki? :) (Just kidding)

This is an interesting exchange of ideas and perspectives. Innocent until proven guilty vs guilty until proven innocent: it's like the golden rule vs the silver rule:

Do unto others what you would have them do unto you (Gold)

or

Do not do to others that which you do not want them to do to you (Silver)

(the first attributed to Jesus but he got it from Rabbi Hillel, and the second centuries earlier to Kung Fu-tzu or Confucius)

[hondarobot]

It seems we're coming up with a combination of the Golden and Silver Rules, a White Gold Rule, maybe.

Hey, that just brought to mind some old Fantasy series. I remember the main character lived in the modern day "real world" but would occasionally slip into a coma and be transported to this sword-and-sorcery fantasy world, and he had this White-Gold ring that gave him some sort of power, or something. I think it was a ring, I guess it could have been his watch band or something.

In all probability, it was a ring. "Behold, my Casio of Eldritch Power!" just wouldn't have the same impact.

Anybody familiar with this?

I read the first book when I was in grade school, but I didn't really get into the rest of the series. I also think the guy had leprosy(!) which, really, just kinda freaked me out at the time.

[gaiseric]

The books you are thinking of are 'The Chronicles of Thomas Covernant - the Unbeliever' There were 2 sets of books and I think a third series has just been published. As you say, the hero used to be transported to a mystical place called The Land. He couldn't accept it because it cured his leprosy temporarily and he always used his disease as the only real thing in his life. He went through all kinds of hell and was eventually killed. A good set of books but very depressing. I suppose being in a fantasy land isn't always a better place.

[hondarobot]

That definately sounds depressing.

But on a lighter note, why would the author give the guy leprosy AND and that particular item? I hope there aren't any people afflicted with the disease reading this, and possibly offended, but I'm just imagining this scenario:

"Hmmm. . .I coulda sworn I had seven fingers left a minute ago. Oh, right, the leprosy thing. Dammit! Maybe I should get a septum piercing and wear that damn magic ring in my nose. . ."

[Shining Star]

Wow that site is a trip. Where did you find the trannies? There aren't any in Cali or NYC. That site is pretty neat. Lots of 1st degree murderers (among others) looking for a date.

On this topic, transsexuals do typically get put in boy prison. However, some prisons actually have seperate wings for the TS. AZ had a big problem with a TS inmate complaining of regular rapes and such.

In most state and local prisons/jails trannies are isolated from the general population, but can be in the "male" section (if they still have male equipment). Most of this has come about due to lawsuits resulting from homosexuals and transgendered persons being attacked and or otherwise abused. IIRC federal laws also may apply as well.

Have had old school girls tell me stories about being held in custody at the courts in downtown NYC, in general population cells with men. These were girls with hormones and implants, so you can guess what sort of hard time they had.

When one is in custody, the state or local government is responsible for your well being. In some states if a trannie is already on hormones, and or wishes to start treatment, the prison must provide it.

Rikers Island in NYC has a section for trannies and maybe gays as well. This is not the ideal situation it seems because not all trannies are the type one would want to spend 18 hours or more a day locked up with. For instance you could have a real street type locked up with a somewhat scared and "innocent" type of girl. Guess who is going to be who's b***h?


Notwitstanding the above, there are some feminine gays that request to be put into general population, and work things out "the best they can". You can read between the lines to guess what that means.

Some girls/boys do not like being kept apart from GP because it means everytime you want to do something outside of your cell (shower) a guard has to escort you (unless your area has a separate shower for that unit). If a guard cannot be spared, you have to wait. Guess if one is only there for a night or a few months things cannot be bad, but years are another story.

Moral of the story is avoid going to jail/prison at all costs.

[Shining Star]

Here's another interesting statistic:
25% of the worlds inmates are in USA yet the US only accounts for about 5% of the world's population.

Of course, it's purely co-incidental that this rise happened at the same time as private, profit making prisons...

There are no citizens of the USA - only employees.
seanchai


Our society is a real contradiction at times. We have more than most countries, so there is more for people to want, and more for people to take. The very fact that someone like Martha Stewart ended up in prison is why our prisons are so full. She isn't dangerous. I think she should have had to pay back the money (plus interest), but jail? Nah. There is a lot of crime which just doesn't really warrant putting someone behind bars.



You have no idea how many innocent people are in jails/prisons because they pleaded guilty. Plea bargining has taken place of jury trials in so much of the criminal justice system. People with limited educational skills, those unable to afford good attorneys (thus get an over worked/under paid court attorney), are likely to take a plea because they are advised it is "easier" for them. Easier for the courts and police is more like it since they save tons of money with not having to prosecute. Meanwhile what most are not told is now they have a criminal record and even if things turn up later that can prove them innocent, it is very hard if not impossible to withdraw a guilty plea. So now they are done for.

You see this almost every day at various drug/prossie courts. First time offenders for prossing, smoking a joint on the street, are advised to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge, while others get lighter sentences or case dismissed after six months of being good.

[d]

In most state and local prisons/jails trannies are isolated from the general population, but can be in the "male" section (if they still have male equipment). Most of this has come about due to lawsuits resulting from homosexuals and transgendered persons being attacked and or otherwise abused. IIRC federal laws also may apply as well.

Have had old school girls tell me stories about being held in custody at the courts in downtown NYC, in general population cells with men. These were girls with hormones and implants, so you can guess what sort of hard time they had.

When one is in custody, the state or local government is responsible for your well being. In some states if a trannie is already on hormones, and or wishes to start treatment, the prison must provide it.

Rikers Island in NYC has a section for trannies and maybe gays as well. This is not the ideal situation it seems because not all trannies are the type one would want to spend 18 hours or more a day locked up with. For instance you could have a real street type locked up with a somewhat scared and "innocent" type of girl. Guess who is going to be who's b***h?


Notwitstanding the above, there are some feminine gays that request to be put into general population, and work things out "the best they can". You can read between the lines to guess what that means.

Some girls/boys do not like being kept apart from GP because it means everytime you want to do something outside of your cell (shower) a guard has to escort you (unless your area has a separate shower for that unit). If a guard cannot be spared, you have to wait. Guess if one is only there for a night or a few months things cannot be bad, but years are another story.

Moral of the story is avoid going to jail/prison at all costs.


pc aka protective custody aka punk city
where they keep the gays, the celebs, dirty cops and other targets
some girls stay out of pc by becoming the biggest guys girlfriend/wife
u mess with her and he's coming for you
some guys pimp their girls out (inside) for drugs n other contraband
its a trip
also you'll have some guys who become girls on the inside (dressing and takin hormones) and they stop once they are released
the girls are very ingenious, they'll make make up from pencil graphite shavings, hair dye from kool-aid, cut and tie up their jumpsuits to make tank tops and such
its wild
but yes the moral of the story is avoid going to jail/prison at all costs

[Vicki Richter]

You have no idea how many innocent people are in jails/prisons because they pleaded guilty. Plea bargining has taken place of jury trials in so much of the criminal justice system. People with limited educational skills, those unable to afford good attorneys (thus get an over worked/under paid court attorney), are likely to take a plea because they are advised it is "easier" for them. Easier for the courts and police is more like it since they save tons of money with not having to prosecute. Meanwhile what most are not told is now they have a criminal record and even if things turn up later that can prove them innocent, it is very hard if not impossible to withdraw a guilty plea. So now they are done for.

You see this almost every day at various drug/prossie courts. First time offenders for prossing, smoking a joint on the street, are advised to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge, while others get lighter sentences or case dismissed after six months of being good.

Wow this was a great post and really hit home. Great points. Putting people in jail for pot is among the most evil things our government does. I definitely could see the legal system f*cking over the lower class. I hate the class bias in our country. However, I have no idea how anyone would make it fair unless you cap all lawyers to making the same money so even if they are superstars working private practice wouldn't matter more than working for the state.

[Shining Star]

[quote]

Wow this was a great post and really hit home. Great points. Putting people in jail for pot is among the most evil things our government does. I definitely could see the legal system f*cking over the lower class. I hate the class bias in our country. However, I have no idea how anyone would make it fair unless you cap all lawyers to making the same money so even if they are superstars working private practice wouldn't matter more than working for the state.



Don't know what can be done about the average joe getting caught up in the legal/criminal justice system, but what amazes me is all these "high living" working girls that do not have a good lawyer on retainer (commonly referred to as prossie popper). Instead of spending thousands on Gucci, Pucci and what not, a girl needs to have a number she can call the moment things happen to protect her rights.

You have no idea how many girls start answering police questions with potentially damaging information (all being recorded usually), that helps tighten the noose around their necks. Even if/when a good lawyer later gets involved it can be hard to surpress such evidence if the DA's office can prove it was not forced.

[Shining Star]

[quote]



pc aka protective custody aka punk city
where they keep the gays, the celebs, dirty cops and other targets
some girls stay out of pc by becoming the biggest guys girlfriend/wife
u mess with her and he's coming for you
some guys pimp their girls out (inside) for drugs n other contraband
its a trip
also you'll have some guys who become girls on the inside (dressing and takin hormones) and they stop once they are released
the girls are very ingenious, they'll make make up from pencil graphite shavings, hair dye from kool-aid, cut and tie up their jumpsuits to make tank tops and such
its wild
but yes the moral of the story is avoid going to jail/prison at all costs

Want to make something clear, when I say special "section" that usually does not mean you are in a different area/whole other wing of a jail prison by yourself. This may be the case in some places, but normally protective custody means you are only segreated within either the general male or female population. This can mean a separate area, or nothing more than a cell by yourself within the same general male or female population. It also means if some one else in your situation is sent into pc, they can be put in with you. Again this is not like choosing a room mate, it can be anyone from some nice person to a street thug.

One must also remember to get to meals, book room, game room, doctor, what ever is outside your cell, you have to get through general population, so they will know you are there and there are ways to get to you.

Finally "pc" does mean you can be spending more time alone with prison/jail guards than would otherwise be necessary. This can lead to some serious problems, in fact there is a case in Federal courts about a trannie (she was being held pending deportation) who claims she was sexually harrased/abused by her guards.

Have to remember once you are inside it is in many ways a different world with different sets of rules. It is not supposed to be this way, but that is how things are. Most people don't give a hoot what happens to people inside, they figure you must have done something to get there, and thus get whatever you deserve while in prison/jail. You can threaten lawsuits and whatever legal/criminal action all you like, bottom line you are inside and those that have control over you can make life very difficult. So agian, the moral of the story is avoid jail/prison at all costs.

[sdman]

can shemales get conjural visits in prison?

[dgs925]

Stop bumping old threads if you don't have anything new to contribute, dumbass troll!

[bte]

Damn man, did somebody go to prison, because there are a lot of prison threads popping up.

[Jericho]

can shemales get conjural visits in prison?

Doubt it, it was turning tricks that got them in there in the first place! :shrug

[rockabilly]

Conjural?

I suppose if given a cauldron and some eye of newt and ginger root they could conjure a love slave.

But practicing witchcraft is forbidden in most prisons.

[natina]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/images/icons/icon4.gif they separate inmates based on GAY or STRAIGHT

they do not use the idea that a ts/tg is a girl

in prison a ts/tg is a gay male and goes in the gay

section of the jail.

they also have a separate section for snitches and child

molesters.

[Silcc69]

LOL wow!

[FreddieGomez]

Doubt it, it was turning tricks that got them in there in the first place! :shrug

lol:ignore:

[Human-After-All]

Theres a transgirl on that site called Joshua Risley...I must say I'm tempted.