Chaser to "trans-ally"

[dc_guy_75]

When I was in my twenties I'd probably consider myself a tranny chaser. I went to Edelweiss, Luckys, and later NowBar, I enjoyed the girls company and had some memorable experiences.

Now that I'm in my early thirties (and will always be attracted to t-girls), I find that I'm interested in issues related to them, whether it be political (gay marriage, anti-discrimination laws etc) or societal; I can't tolerate anti-trans comments or people. It feels like I'm part of their community by default, since I like them.

As "chasers" get older, does anyone else feel they become more of a "trans-ally"?

[TJ347]

Only in their own minds. For most of the girls it seems, if you like them, you're a chaser, while if you profess not to like them, you're either a closet homo or a bigot.

[dc_guy_75]

Only in their own minds. For most of the girls it seems, if you like them, you're a chaser, while if you profess not to like them, you're either a closet homo or a bigot.

Although most girls are disgusted by men who are attracted to them, thats the way they're wired and there's nothing anyone can do about that. Granted, it does make life a little less enjoyable for us and them.

Anyways, not ALL of them are like that. And that shouldn't prevent someone who cares about them to not be aware and fight for issues that pertain to their (our) community.

[peggygee]

Only in their own minds. For most of the girls it seems, if you like them, you're a chaser, while if you profess not to like them, you're either a closet homo or a bigot.

TJ, I am going to have to beg to differ with you. There are many men
who can show by their actions and sometimes their words that they are
our allies.

Believe it or not we can differentiate between those who are 'walking
the walk or just talking the talk'. Indeed there are many on this board
who are on our side.

To the original point:




As "chasers" get older, does anyone else feel they become more of a "trans-ally"?



If a person has an open mind and an open heart they can make the
transformation from fetish seeker to an ally, and that catharsis can be
a beautiful thing to see.

[peggygee]

[quote=TJ347] And that shouldn't prevent someone who cares about them to not be aware and fight for issues that pertain to their (our) community.

That's hot. :wink:

[TJ347]

Only in their own minds. For most of the girls it seems, if you like them, you're a chaser, while if you profess not to like them, you're either a closet homo or a bigot.

I quote the above because, if you've read what many of the girls here have said in various threads, it is quite true. Now, that doesn't mean that all girls are like that, of course, but going on what I've read here and personal experience, it seems to me that a large percentage are indeed like that. Does that mean that you shouldn't care about the community? Not at all, however now we're moving into a totally different issue.

What I maybe should have said was that a "chaser" doesn't become an ally of the transgendered simply with the passing of time. I won't bother to give examples, for obvious reasons I should think. Perhaps that's not what you meant exactly, but that's certainly how I read it. Maybe you meant that with the passing of time do "chasers" actually come to care about the transgendered community? Well, again I'd say no, given what we can readily observe. I'll move on now, having nothing else to add to this topic.

[BrendaQG]

"dc_guy_75"
"Now that I'm in my early thirties (and will always be attracted to t-girls), I find that I'm interested in issues related to them, whether it be political (gay marriage, anti-discrimination laws etc) or societal; I can't tolerate anti-trans comments or people."

NO! Your statement above says it all. "gay marriage" :smh:

The issue for TS women is to have our change of sex&gender recognized. Once legally female "same sex" marriage is a non issue

proves you dont get it.

[TheOne1]

"dc_guy_75"
"Now that I'm in my early thirties (and will always be attracted to t-girls), I find that I'm interested in issues related to them, whether it be political (gay marriage, anti-discrimination laws etc) or societal; I can't tolerate anti-trans comments or people."

NO! Your statement above says it all. "gay marriage" :smh:

The issue for TS women is to have our change of sex&gender recognized. Once legally female "same sex" marriage is a non issue

proves you dont get it.

not all ts women want a full gender change.... :smh

[dc_guy_75]

"
NO! Your statement above says it all. "gay marriage" :smh:

The issue for TS women is to have our change of sex&gender recognized. Once legally female "same sex" marriage is a non issue

proves you dont get it.

What?

Even if a girl has SRS, in many (if not most) states the marriage can be annulled. Many courts view it that biologically, post-ops are still male. This doesn't even cover tgirls who don't have surgery.

From the tone of your post, it almost seems like you're against gay-marriage, which would be ridiculously ironic, all things considered.

[peggygee]

"
NO! Your statement above says it all. "gay marriage" :smh:

The issue for TS women is to have our change of sex&gender recognized. Once legally female "same sex" marriage is a non issue

proves you dont get it.

What?

Even if a girl has SRS, in many (if not most) states the marriage can be annulled. Many courts view it that biologically, post-ops are still male. This doesn't even cover tgirls who don't have surgery.

From the tone of your post, it almost seems like you're against gay-marriage, which would be incomprehensible, all things considered.

You may be alluding to the Littleton case in Texas, where the marriage
was adjudicated invalid. In that case a post op transwoman was
married, her husband died due to medical complications. She then
sued the doctor, whose insurance company counter claimed that since
she was born a male, that the marriage was not legal.

A Texas court upheld that opinion. Thus it is case law in Texas, and is
not binding in other states. While some states do mandate that marriage
can only occur between two different biological genders, for the majority
of states there does not exist those guidelines.

Another problem that may occur is when a state does not allow a woman
to amend her birth records to indicate the new gender, this would also
preclude her from marrying.

But I would go on record as stating that it would be a minority of states
that would make marriage for a post op transwoman problematic, or
grounds to render it invalid.


Transgender People and Marriage: The Importance of Legal Planning

Developed by Shannon Minter, senior staff attorney for the National Center for Lesbian Rights.

Transgender people face unique legal issues with regard to marriage. Although marriage is not yet a legal option for gay or lesbian people in any state, it is already an option -- and a reality -- for many who are transgender. This article summarizes the legal issues surrounding marriage for transgender people and suggests some ways that transgender people can protect their marital relationships.

A very real option

Some people are aware that transgender individuals are often able to enter into a heterosexual marriage after undergoing sex-reassignment. What may be less well-known, however, is that a transgender person may also be married to a person of the same sex. That situation arises, for example, when one of the spouses in a heterosexual marriage comes out as transsexual and transitions within the marriage. If the couple chooses to stay together, as many do, the result is a legal marriage in which both spouses are male or female. Alternatively, in states that do not allow a transgender person to change his or her legal sex, some transgender people have been able to marry a person of the same sex. To all outward appearances and to the couple themselves, the marriage is a same-sex union. In the eyes of the law, however, it is a different-sex marriage because technically speaking, the law continues to view the transgender spouse as a legal member of his or her birth sex even after sex-reassignment. In short, marriage is a very real option for a variety of transgender people in a variety of circumstances.

Two contrasting cases

In practice, however, the legal validity of marriages involving a transgender spouse is not yet firmly established in the great majority of states. In 1999, for example, an appellate court in Texas invalidated a seven-year marriage between Christine Littleton, a transgender woman, and her deceased husband. The case arose when Ms. Littleton brought a wrongful death suit seeking damages for her husband’s death as a result of alleged medical malpractice. Rather than ruling on the merits of Ms. Littleton’s suit, the court held that a person’s legal sex is genetically fixed at birth and that Ms. Littleton should be deemed to be legally male, despite her female anatomy and appearance, and despite the fact that she had lived as a woman for most of her adult life. As a result of that decision, Ms. Littleton was denied all of the rights afforded to a legal spouse -- not only the right to bring a wrongful death suit, but the right to intestate inheritance (or inheritance without a will), to obtain her deceased husband’s Social Security and retirement benefits, and many others as well.

In contrast, in 1997, a trial court in Orange County, Calif., affirmed the validity of a marriage involving a transgender man. The case arose when the wife sought to invalidate the marriage in order to deprive her husband of his parental rights vis-a-vis the couple’s child, who was born through alternative insemination. The trial court rejected the wife’s argument that the transgender husband should be considered legally female and refused to nullify the marriage. The court held that California law recognizes the post-operative sex of a transsexual person for all legal purposes, including marriage. Notably, however, if the court had ruled differently, or if the transgender spouse had not undergone extensive and expensive sex reassignments surgeries prior to the marriage, it is likely that he would have lost any right to maintain a relationship with his child.

Still the need to protect yourself

As these and other similar cases make clear, it is critical that transgender people who are married become aware of their potential legal vulnerability and take steps to protect themselves as much as possible. As an initial matter, transgender people who are married should certainly act accordingly and should not hesitate to exercise their rights as legal spouses, whether that be the right to file married tax returns, the right to apply for spousal benefits or the right to have or adopt children as a married couple. At the same time, however, it is also important to create a safety net in the event that the validity of the marriage is challenged.

Although there are many benefits and protections that arise exclusively through marriage and cannot be duplicated through any other means, there are also some basic protections that can be safeguarded and secured through privately executed documents and agreements. At a minimum, a transgender person who is married should have:

(1) A last will and testament for both spouses;

(2) Financial and medical powers of attorney in which each spouse designates either the other spouse or another trusted person to be his or her legal agent in the event of incapacitation; and

(3) A written personal relationship agreement including a detailed account of each spouse’s rights and responsibilities with regard to finances, property, support, children and any other issues that are important to the couple.

The agreement should also include an acknowledgment that the non-transgender partner is aware that his or her spouse is transgender to avoid any later claims of fraud or deception. Ideally, the couple should draft those documents with assistance from an attorney and supplement them with any other legal planning documents that are appropriate for their specific circumstances.

With those basic documents in place, transgender people who are married can at least ensure that the spouses can inherit each other’s estates and retain control over their own financial and medical decisions, even if the validity of the marriage is challenged. In many cases, the safety net created by extra legal planning will never have to be used. In others, the presence of that extra protection will shelter the transgender person and his or her spouse from devastating emotional trauma and financial loss.
_________________

[peggygee]

Can a Male-to-Female Transsexual Marry a Man?

Answered by Jennifer Levi, an attorney with Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders. Sept. 25, 2001

Can a male-to-female transsexual marry a man?

Q: Dear Jennifer,

I am a male-to-female transsexual who will undergo sexual reassignment surgery in 2003. At that point, I expect to receive a new birth certificate from California declaring me female. If this happens, can I legally marry a man in Florida?

Thank you,
Robyn

A: Dear Robyn,

Unfortunately, transgender people are in somewhat of a legal nether land when trying to evaluate the lawfulness of their marriages.
In years past, I have advised people that they should be able to lawfully marry a person of the opposite sex if they changed the sex designation on their birth certificate or had the birth certificate issued in the jurisdiction where they sought to have a marriage validated.But two recent appeals court cases from Texas and Kansas cast some doubt on this advice. In both cases, the transsexual litigants either had, or could have had, a birth certificate designating that they were of the opposite sex of their partner. Despite that, however, the courts looked beyond the birth certificate to other factors.

In Littleton v. Prange, 9 S.W.3d 223 (Tex. App. 1999), a Texas appeals court invalidated the otherwise legal six-year marriage of a post-operative transsexual woman, holding that no surgery or treatment can change a person’s sex in Texas and that only the marriage of a biological man and a biological woman is valid.

In re Estate of Gardiner 22 P.3d 1086 (Kan. Ct. App. 2001), a Kansas appeals court recently reversed a lower court decision invalidating the marriage of a transsexual woman and remanded for a factual determination of the widow’s sex based on numerous factors, including chromosome makeup, gonadal sex, internal morphologic sex, external morphologic sex, hormonal sex, phenotypic sex, assigned sex and gender of rearing and sexual identity. It was a much better outcome than Littleton but still leaves unanswered the question of whom a transgender person may legally marry.

For what it is worth, in Gardiner, the court spoke favorably of a prior New Jersey decision, which placed great emphasis on whether a transsexual person was capable of "consummating" the marriage - that is, of engaging in traditional penile-vaginal intercourse. A court evaluating the validity of a marriage may look at the question of consummation as a prior New Jersey court did in validating the marriage of a male-to-female woman. See MT v. JT, 355 A.2d 204 (N.J. App. Div. 1976).

One California trial court also followed the New Jersey rule in validating the marriage of a female-to-male man.

While there remain strong legal arguments in most jurisdictions that a transsexual person may lawfully marry a person of the opposite sex, we also know that upon separation or divorce, some spouses have sought to invalidate otherwise lawful marriages using arguments of fraud or invalidity. My strongest advice to you would be to ensure that you document that any person you marry knows at the time of the marriage that you are transsexual. This acknowledgement could undermine any effort of a nontransgender spouse from disavowing the validity of the marriage in the future. It would not, however, be instrumental in defending the validity of the marriage as to third parties.

In addition, I strongly advise any transgender person who marries to execute a will, financial and medical powers of attorney and a relationship agreement. In other words, a transgender person is well advised to take every legal step possible to ensure that his or her legal relationship is respected if the lawfulness of the marriage is ever questioned.

Sincerely,
Jennifer Levi
Levi is an attorney with Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders.
Sept. 25, 2001

[mbf]

When I was in my twenties I'd probably consider myself a tranny chaser. I went to Edelweiss, Luckys, and later NowBar, I enjoyed the girls company and had some memorable experiences.

Now that I'm in my early thirties (and will always be attracted to t-girls), I find that I'm interested in issues related to them, whether it be political (gay marriage, anti-discrimination laws etc) or societal; I can't tolerate anti-trans comments or people. It feels like I'm part of their community by default, since I like them.

As "chasers" get older, does anyone else feel they become more of a "trans-ally"?

well, I am approaching the big "3" as well. yet, I am xperiencing contrary sentiments. the negative aspects of t-life (which all have been discussed on here over the cours of time) seem to outweigh the others more and more lately, at least for me.

so, I am more and more inclined to leave "the life" behind me, get me some gilr, marry her, have children and dont look back.

(note: I am referring only to myself, and with "the life" I mean those aspecs of a supportive male within the "trans-community")

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Only in their own minds. For most of the girls it seems, if you like them, you're a chaser, while if you profess not to like them, you're either a closet homo or a bigot.

There is a big difference between liking a girl or tgirls (for that matter) and haunting them like a lunatic! LOL Seriosly tho its TRUE! If you really like a girl then you'll be conscious of your own action not to suffocate, stalk, irritate, annoy to a point turn off and scare away the object of your affection. :wink:

It's ok to like someone. It's not ok to hug all their time online and keep sending them messages daily or worst "buzz" them trying to be cute for that really doesnt work well (Atleast not for me. I simply get annoyed when guys send me that irritating "buzz" sound on YIM instead of a cute message as if I wasnt answering his calls on my celly)! LOL :evil:

~Kisses.

HTG

[TJ347]

Only in their own minds. For most of the girls it seems, if you like them, you're a chaser, while if you profess not to like them, you're either a closet homo or a bigot.

There is a big difference between liking a girl or tgirls (for that matter) and haunting them like a lunatic! LOL Seriosly tho its TRUE! If you really like a girl then you'll be conscious of your own action not to suffocate, stalk, irritate, annoy to a point turn off and scare away the object of your affection. :wink:


You're right of course, Hara, but it seems few others make such clear distinctions, as I'm sure you've noticed from reading certain threads.

Moving on, not to irritate, annoy, turn off or scare you away, but that avatar of yours is really distracting me from forming a coherent sentence right about now. Sweet! :shock:

[dc_guy_75]

so, I am more and more inclined to leave "the life" behind me, get me some gilr, marry her, have children and dont look back.



True, the vast majority of guys that post here or who are attracted to tgirls eventually do leave "the life"; even if you do become a suburbanite with a wife and kids, theres no reason why you can't care about the issues that affect tgirls.

I believe that with all "chasers", the attraction for tgirls will ALWAYS be there. Its not like it'll disapear under parental stress; self-awareness is key.

I'm not trying to take a high road or anything, but its something I feel strongly about. The least we can all do is let it be a factor when/if we vote.

[TJ347]

I believe that with all "chasers", the attraction for tgirls will ALWAYS be there.

I think I've misunderstood what you were saying, due to your use of the word "chaser". You see, I believe that a "chaser" is interested in tgirls only for his own sexual gratification, whereas a guy such as you and I are attracted to feminine beauty on multiple levels, not just the physical. For me, this means that a tgirl has to both act and look like a woman; a cheap wig, some falsies and a pair of heels won't do. Those guys for whom that is enough, however... those are the guys I would say are probably just "chasers", in that it's about the sex more than the appearance of anything feminine. And as for the guys who rave about getting banged in the ass and sucking impossibly big dicks all the time... well, you know what a guy who's into that is called. Not that I'm judging them, mind you, but a homosexual, bisexual and heterosexual are not the same thing, otherwise we'd only have one term to use, and not three.

I would add, so that things are kept honest here, that I have myself on a few occasions given oral to a tgirl, but this was due to the fact that she had a penis and not a vagina... What's a guy to do in that situation? I'm not one of those guys raving about how great it'd be to have Yasmin Lee powerfucking my throat though, or fantasizing about Nefertiti plowing a multi-lane highway through my bowels. Just want to be clear, and again, honest.

[Bee]

Now that I'm in my early thirties (and will always be attracted to t-girls), I find that I'm interested in issues related to them, whether it be political (gay marriage, anti-discrimination laws etc) or societal; I can't tolerate anti-trans comments or people. It feels like I'm part of their community by default, since I like them. As "chasers" get older, does anyone else feel they become more of a "trans-ally"?

I think we share the same experience here...

[SarahG]

"
NO! Your statement above says it all. "gay marriage" :smh:

The issue for TS women is to have our change of sex&gender recognized. Once legally female "same sex" marriage is a non issue

proves you dont get it.

What?

Even if a girl has SRS, in many (if not most) states the marriage can be annulled. Many courts view it that biologically, post-ops are still male. This doesn't even cover tgirls who don't have surgery.

From the tone of your post, it almost seems like you're against gay-marriage, which would be ridiculously ironic, all things considered.

I think what she is getting at is that the "real" issue here is gender/sex status recognition moreso than universal marriage rights. The argument has always been that we, or rather at the very least fully transitioned postop trans girls, should be treated no differently from GGs in society.

In that sense, universal marriage rights would be an issue not about mental health disorders such as GID, but rather one's orientation alone. Realistically, if we have an "agenda" it is to be treated no differently from GGs to the point where we have the same "issues" as they do in society, or lack thereof in other cases (i.e. I know les postop girls who are still married to GGs from before they transitioned and it is a sensitive subject because of a "wait a minute, we're a les couple who can do this, and the gg les couples we are friends with can't"- being treated the same means taking both the good AND the bad).

How states define the way in which fully transitioned postops are seen as by the system have a whole list of implications beyond marriage law.

As to nonops... we as a community have trouble coming to common opinions as to what constitutes a transsexual, let alone something like "what does being fully transitioned truly mean?" For better or for worse, this board's mentality that "merely getting srs" isn't completely transitioning seems to be a bit... uncommon. Personally, I think that regardless how we define such things and/or how the system uses these terms, it seems a bit illogical for the system to go strictly based on genitalia or sex chromosomes... I shudder at the idea of the system indefinitely throwing all girls into the general male population of prisons because they are either nonop, preop or have the "wrong blood"

But I also, at the same time, shudder at the idea of the system going by a third gender setup in which a third catagory exists for ids, bathrooms, prisons, etc etc etc. If we are to have the states using T in place of M or F on DLs, install T bathrooms in public buildings, and other such measures- it would make it impossible for us to be seen as being identical to GGs in the system's eyes.... or the general public for that matter. Don't kid yourselves by thinking that the system would do this only for preops/nonops and would then allow postops to have all the proper documentation, societal/legal statuses etc.... this would be a HUGE step backward IMO.

[Chuck]

I can relate to what dc_guy is saying. I am just a few month shy of 40. When I was in my 20's t-girls / shemales / trannies / where just a fun sexual experience I had from time to time. Now, I can honestly say that I am ready to share my life with one. It has been a long journey but I am no longer a "tranny chaser". If any of you have followed a thread I started two weeks ago I talked about the "girl" I have had a 7 year relationship with who I just broke up with. I am still hurting from it but I am ready to move on and still hope to share my life with the right person. I am comfortable and honest with who I am and the meaningful relationsip I seek. For those of you who are young "tranny chasers" if you are lucky you will grow out of it and become true lovers of transgender women.

Oh, and by the way, I did the wife and kids thing 16 years ago. They know who I am and accept me. It does not make me a bad father and ex-husband.

TO THINE OWN SELF BE TRUE

[62des]

Only in their own minds. For most of the girls it seems, if you like them, you're a chaser, while if you profess not to like them, you're either a closet homo or a bigot.

There is a big difference between liking a girl or tgirls (for that matter) and haunting them like a lunatic! LOL Seriosly tho its TRUE! If you really like a girl then you'll be conscious of your own action not to suffocate, stalk, irritate, annoy to a point turn off and scare away the object of your affection. :wink:

It's ok to like someone. It's not ok to hug all their time online and keep sending them messages daily or worst "buzz" them trying to be cute for that really doesnt work well (Atleast not for me. I simply get annoyed when guys send me that irritating "buzz" sound on YIM instead of a cute message as if I wasnt answering his calls on my celly)! LOL :evil:

~Kisses.

HTG

Again, what's the difference between men chasing women? Nothing! In the end us men will be just that! MEN!

[BrendaQG]

@ Sara G.


As to nonops... we as a community have trouble coming to common opinions as to what constitutes a transsexual, let alone something like "what does being fully transitioned truly mean?" For better or for worse, this board's mentality that "merely getting srs" isn't completely transitioning seems to be a bit... uncommon.

I don't know about that POV being so uncommon. There are and have been people who had SRS but could not honestly be said to be a transwoman. Consider the case of Gregory Hemmingway (http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/GregoryHemingway.html) who had one breast implanted and had SRS. Thus was Post OP. There are plenty of people like him. They have SRS, they show up at stome TS event. Then they want to tell pre op's and non-op's about being a transsexual woman. :roll:

[peggygee]

"
NO! Your statement above says it all. "gay marriage" :smh:

The issue for TS women is to have our change of sex&gender recognized. Once legally female "same sex" marriage is a non issue

proves you dont get it.

What?

Even if a girl has SRS, in many (if not most) states the marriage can be annulled. Many courts view it that biologically, post-ops are still male. This doesn't even cover tgirls who don't have surgery.

From the tone of your post, it almost seems like you're against gay-marriage, which would be ridiculously ironic, all things considered.

I think what she is getting at is that the "real" issue here is gender/sex status recognition moreso than universal marriage rights. The argument has always been that we, or rather at the very least fully transitioned postop trans girls, should be treated no differently from GGs in society.

In that sense, universal marriage rights would be an issue not about mental health disorders such as GID, but rather one's orientation alone. Realistically, if we have an "agenda" it is to be treated no differently from GGs to the point where we have the same "issues" as they do in society, or lack thereof in other cases (i.e. I know les postop girls who are still married to GGs from before they transitioned and it is a sensitive subject because of a "wait a minute, we're a les couple who can do this, and the gg les couples we are friends with can't"- being treated the same means taking both the good AND the bad).

How states define the way in which fully transitioned postops are seen as by the system have a whole list of implications beyond marriage law.

As to nonops... we as a community have trouble coming to common opinions as to what constitutes a transsexual, let alone something like "what does being fully transitioned truly mean?" For better or for worse, this board's mentality that "merely getting srs" isn't completely transitioning seems to be a bit... uncommon. Personally, I think that regardless how we define such things and/or how the system uses these terms, it seems a bit illogical for the system to go strictly based on genitalia or sex chromosomes... I shudder at the idea of the system indefinitely throwing all girls into the general male population of prisons because they are either nonop, preop or have the "wrong blood"

But I also, at the same time, shudder at the idea of the system going by a third gender setup in which a third catagory exists for ids, bathrooms, prisons, etc etc etc. If we are to have the states using T in place of M or F on DLs, install T bathrooms in public buildings, and other such measures- it would make it impossible for us to be seen as being identical to GGs in the system's eyes.... or the general public for that matter. Don't kid yourselves by thinking that the system would do this only for preops/nonops and would then allow postops to have all the proper documentation, societal/legal statuses etc.... this would be a HUGE step backward IMO.

Brenda, Sarah, thank you both Sarah for pointing out the distinction vis-a-vis
the gay marriage issue. While that is indeed an important issue for our
allies in the gay community and may have ramifications for us in the
transcommunity, the real issue is gender parity for transwomen.

As a post op woman I am not complacent nor content that I have a
modicum of rights that are comparable to those of the natal females.
For me is is of the utmost urgency that the non / pre op have those
same rights also.

Also as a practical consideration your point about accomadations being
made for a third gender is something that we are seeing come up time
and time again. What is the equitable solution for the gender variant on
matters of identification, restrooms, etc. Admittedly there are no easy
answers, but we as a society can not adopt a head in the sand approach
and hope that the problem will go away.

The genie is out of the bottle and this issue must be dealt with
pragmatically and compassionately.

[whatsupwithat]

I thinks its awesome you posted this. Each of us is a part of the "community" in one way or another. But the difference to me between a chaser and someone who is an ally is whether they take or contribute. Whether contributing on a large scale or on a small scale like being there for a single trans friend, if each of us men stepped up in some way the community would benefit. And, in the end, society would benefit. No one said it is or will be easy, but there are many trans people who have had the courage to clear a path, now its our turn to keep it from growing over, to widen it, so that others can find their way. I've said it before, we're all in this together. So, the question is, are you going to continue to take from or are you going to contribute to the community?

[Somedude21]

Great topic you've started here, man.

I admit that in my earlier days when I realized I was attracted to transsexuals (that would be in my late teens) it was just about the sex and nothing more. Yet, after I came here and actually talked to some of the girls and matured in my own right more, I found myself more sympathetic to their cause. So much, in fact, that I want to be a part of it. I suppose that you could say that I'm already a part of it now by being here and a part of the "community", but I want to do more that just that.

What I plan to do once I get out of law school is to be a Public Defender for awhile. Once I've gotten the experience that I need, I plan to become a transsexual advocate lawyer in the state of Illinois (or maybe somewhere else, if I'm needed) and help these women be recognized in their own right. So yeah. I suppose that you could say that as you stay in the "community" more, you become more sympathetic to them and become less of a "chaser" and more of an "ally".

[hwbs]

having many friendships and girlfriends over the years, it would be hard for me not to care about the ongoing situations and issues in a transgendered society...i just have an honest interest of the comings and goings in the community ...not pretending so a girl would want to date me or anything like that..doing that is very very low in my opinion...if i was just in it for the sex i would have no problem stating so.

[peggygee]

I thinks its awesome you posted this. Each of us is a part of the "community" in one way or another. But the difference to me between a chaser and someone who is an ally is whether they take or contribute. Whether contributing on a large scale or on a small scale like being there for a single trans friend, if each of us men stepped up in some way the community would benefit. And, in the end, society would benefit. No one said it is or will be easy, but there are many trans people who have had the courage to clear a path, now its our turn to keep it from growing over, to widen it, so that others can find their way. I've said it before, we're all in this together. So, the question is, are you going to continue to take from or are you going to contribute to the community?

I never for a second doubted that we had many, many allies of the
opposite gender. And for all the talk of trannny chaser and the like, we
do know who's down with us. You don't survive in the life without being
able to read people.

No, not that type of read. :lol:

But seriously, whether you do it on small scale, large scale, micro or
macro, locally or internationally, please do something.

[peggygee]

Thought this was worthy of a

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/bump-1.gif

[flabbybody]

why do I have to feel guilty about wanting to fuck 80% of the tgirls I know and meet? My sex urge doesn't make me any less aware of the issues of job discrimination, family allienation and transitioning. Would I be helping the cause of transgenderism if I stopped going to the parties and deleted all my escort phone numbers?

I like what dc guy is saying. Chasing tgirl ass and caring about this community are not mutually exclusive. And I think we all know the small number of girls on this board who have disdain for all us guys, and it's really sad. cause deep down, it's themselves who they really hate.

[eggbert]

[quote="flabbybody"]why do I have to feel guilty about wanting to fuck 80% of the tgirls I know and meet? My sex urge doesn't make me any less aware of the issues of job discrimination, family allienation and transitioning.

Great quote. I for one feel the same way.

[tollroad]

When I was in my twenties I'd probably consider myself a tranny chaser. I went to Edelweiss, Luckys, and later NowBar, I enjoyed the girls company and had some memorable experiences.

Now that I'm in my early thirties (and will always be attracted to t-girls), I find that I'm interested in issues related to them, whether it be political (gay marriage, anti-discrimination laws etc) or societal; I can't tolerate anti-trans comments or people. It feels like I'm part of their community by default, since I like them.

As "chasers" get older, does anyone else feel they become more of a "trans-ally"?

Way to broadcast an obvious come-on line!