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CymruInstinct
08-23-2007, 08:38 AM
"...And A Scientist Under Siege"

From yesterday's (Tues., 8/21/07's) Science Times, just wondering what people's thoughts were:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/health/psychology/21gender.html?_r=1&ref=science&oref=slogin

August 21, 2007
Criticism of a Gender Theory, and a Scientist Under Siege
By BENEDICT CAREY

In academic feuds, as in war, there is no telling how far people will go once the shooting starts.

Earlier this month, members of the International Academy of Sex Research, gathering for their annual meeting in Vancouver, informally discussed one of the most contentious and personal social science controversies in recent memory.

The central figure, J. Michael Bailey, a psychologist at Northwestern University, has promoted a theory that his critics think is inaccurate, insulting and potentially damaging to transgender women. In the past few years, several prominent academics who are transgender have made a series of accusations against the psychologist, including that he committed ethics violations. A transgender woman he wrote about has accused him of a sexual impropriety, and Dr. Bailey has become a reviled figure for some in the gay and transgender communities.

To many of Dr. Bailey’s peers, his story is a morality play about the corrosive effects of political correctness on academic freedom. Some scientists say that it has become increasingly treacherous to discuss politically sensitive issues. They point to several recent cases, like that of Helmuth Nyborg, a Danish researcher who was fired in 2006 after he caused a furor in the press by reporting a slight difference in average I.Q. test scores between the sexes.

“What happened to Bailey is important, because the harassment was so extraordinarily bad and because it could happen to any researcher in the field,” said Alice Dreger, an ethics scholar and patients’ rights advocate at Northwestern who, after conducting a lengthy investigation of Dr. Bailey’s actions, has concluded that he is essentially blameless. “If we’re going to have research at all, then we’re going to have people saying unpopular things, and if this is what happens to them, then we’ve got problems not only for science but free expression itself.”

To Dr. Bailey’s critics, his story is a different kind of morality tale.

“Nothing we have done, I believe, and certainly nothing I have done, overstepped any boundaries of fair comment on a book and an author who stepped into the public arena with enthusiasm to deliver a false and unscientific and politically damaging opinion,” Deirdre McCloskey, a professor of economics, history, English, and communication at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and one of Dr. Bailey’s principal critics, said in an e-mail message.

The hostilities began in the spring of 2003, when Dr. Bailey published a book, “The Man Who Would Be Queen,” intended to explain the biology of sexual orientation and gender to a general audience.

“The next two years,” Dr. Bailey said in an interview, “were the hardest of my life.”

Many sex researchers who have worked with Dr. Bailey say that he is a solid scientist and collaborator, who by his own admission enjoys violating intellectual taboos.

In his book, he argued that some people born male who want to cross genders are driven primarily by an erotic fascination with themselves as women. This idea runs counter to the belief, held by many men who decide to live as women, that they are the victims of a biological mistake — in essence, women trapped in men’s bodies. Dr. Bailey described the alternate theory, which is based on Canadian studies done in the 1980s and 1990s, in part by telling the stories of several transgender women he met through a mutual acquaintance. In the book, he gave them pseudonyms, like “Alma” and “Juanita.”

Other scientists praised the book as a compelling explanation of the science. The Lambda Literary Foundation, an organization that promotes gay, bisexual and transgender literature, nominated the book for an award.

But days after the book appeared, Lynn Conway, a prominent computer scientist at the University of Michigan, sent out an e-mail message comparing Dr. Bailey’s views to Nazi propaganda. She and other transgender women found the tone of the book abusive, and the theory of motivation it presented to be a recipe for further discrimination.

Dr. Conway did not respond to requests for an interview.

Dr. Ben Barres, a neurobiologist at Stanford, said in reference to Dr. Bailey’s thesis in the book, “Bailey seems to make a living by claiming that the things people hold most deeply true are not true.”

At a public meeting of sex researchers shortly after the book’s publication, Dr. John Bancroft, then director of the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender and Reproduction, said to Dr. Bailey, “Michael, I have read your book, and I do not think it is science,” according to accounts of the meeting. Dr. Bancroft confirmed the comment.

The backlash soon turned from the book to its author.

After consulting with Dr. Conway, four of the transgender women who spoke to Dr. Bailey during his reporting for the book wrote letters to Northwestern, complaining that they had been used as research subjects without having given, or been asked to sign, written consent.

One wrote a letter making another accusation against Dr. Bailey: she claimed he had had sex with her.

Dr. Conway and Dr. McCloskey also wrote letters to Northwestern, accusing Dr. Bailey of grossly violating scientific standards “by conducting intimate research observations on human subjects without telling them that they were objects of the study.”

They also wrote to the Illinois state regulators, requesting that they investigate Dr. Bailey for practicing psychology without a license. Dr. Bailey, who was not licensed to practice clinical psychology in Illinois, had provided some of those who helped him with the book with brief case evaluation letters, suggesting that they were good candidates for sex-reassignment surgery. A spokesman for the state said that regulators took no action on the complaints.

In an interview, Dr. Bailey said that nothing he did was wrong or unethical. “I interviewed people for a book,” he said. “This is a free society, and that should be allowed.”

But by the end of 2003, the controversy had a life of its own on the Internet. Dr. Conway, the computer scientist, kept a running chronicle of the accusations against Dr. Bailey on her Web site. Any Google search of Dr. Bailey’s name brought up Dr. Conway’s site near the top of the list.

The site also included a link to the Web page of another critic of Dr. Bailey’s book, Andrea James, a Los Angeles-based transgender advocate and consultant. Ms. James downloaded images from Dr. Bailey’s Web site of his children, taken when they were in middle and elementary school, and posted them on her own site, with sexually explicit captions that she provided. (Dr. Bailey is a divorced father of two.) Ms. James said in an e-mail message that Dr. Bailey’s work exploited vulnerable people, especially children, and that her response echoed his disrespect.

Dr. Dreger is the latest to arrive at the battlefront. She is a longtime advocate for people born with ambiguous sexuality and has been strongly critical of sex researchers in the past. She said she had presumed that Dr. Bailey was guilty and, after meeting him through a mutual friend, had decided to investigate for herself.

But in her just-completed account, due to be published next year in The Archives of Sexual Behavior, the field’s premier journal, she concluded that the accusations against the psychologist were essentially groundless.

For example, Dr. Dreger found that two of the four women who complained to Northwestern of research violations were not portrayed in the book at all. The two others did know their stories would be used, as they themselves said in their letters to Northwestern.

The accusation of sexual misconduct came five years after the fact, and was not possible to refute or confirm, Dr. Dreger said. It specified a date in 1998 when Dr. Bailey was at his ex-wife’s house, looking after their children, according to dated e-mail messages between the psychologist and his ex-wife, Dr. Dreger found.

The transgender woman who made the complaint said through a friend that she stood by the accusation but did not want to talk about it.

Moreover, based on her own reading of federal regulations, Dr. Dreger, whose report can be viewed at www.bioethics.northwestern.edu, argued that the book did not qualify as scientific research. The federal definition describes “a systematic investigation, including research development, testing and evaluation.”

Dr. Bailey used the people in his book as anecdotes, not as the subjects of a systematic investigation, she reported.

“The bottom line is that they tried to ruin this guy, and they almost succeeded,” Dr. Dreger said.

Dr. Dreger’s report began to circulate online last week, and Dr. Bailey’s critics already have attacked it as being biased.

For their part, Northwestern University administrators began an investigation of Dr. Bailey’s research in later 2003 (there is no evidence that they investigated the sex complaint).

The inquiry, which lasted almost a year, brought research to a near standstill in Dr. Bailey’s laboratory, and clouded his name among some other researchers, according to people who worked with the psychologist.

“That was the worst blow of all, that we didn’t get much support” from Northwestern, said Gerulf Rieger, a graduate student of Dr. Bailey’s at the time, and now a lecturer at Northwestern. “They were quite scared and not very professional, I thought.”

A spokesman for the university declined to comment on the investigation, which concluded in 2004.

One collaborator broke with Dr. Bailey over the controversy, Dr. Bailey said. Others who remained loyal said doing so had a cost: two researchers said they were advised by a government grant officer that they should distance themselves from Dr. Bailey to improve their chances of receiving financing.

“He told me it would be better if I played down any association with Bailey,” said Khytam Dawood, a psychologist at Pennsylvania State University.

Dr. Bailey said that the first weeks of the backlash were the worst. He tried not to think about the accusations, he said, but would wake up in the middle of the night unable to think of anything else. He took anti-anxiety pills for a while. He began to worry about losing his job. He said that friends and family supported him but that some colleagues were afraid to speak up in his defense.

“They saw what I was going through, I think, and wanted no part of it,” he said.

The fog of war, which can overwhelm the senses of real soldiers, can also descend on academic feuds, and it seems to have done so on this one.

In October 2004, Dr. Bailey stepped down as chairman of the psychology department. He declined to say why, and a spokesman for Northwestern would say only that the change in status had nothing to do with the book.

These unknowns seem if anything to have extended the life of the controversy, which still simmers online.

“I think for me, for the work I do, honestly, I don’t really care what his theories are,” said Mara Keisling, executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality, of Dr. Bailey. “But I do want to feel like any theories that affect the lives of so many people are based in good science, and that they’re presented responsibly.”

But that, say supporters of Dr. Bailey, is precisely the problem: Who defines responsible? And at what cost is that definition violated?

It is perhaps fitting that the history of this conflict, which caught fire online, is being written and revised continually in the online encyclopedia Wikipedia, which is compiled and corrected by users. The reference site provides a lengthy entry on Dr. Bailey, but a section titled “Research Misconduct,” which posts some of the accusations Dr. Dreger reviewed, includes a prominent warning.

It reads: “The neutrality of this section is disputed.”

yodajazz
08-23-2007, 09:08 AM
It has been discussed here in other threads. The problem as I see it Bailey's theory was too simplistic, by trying to place all transexuals into two categories. Sometimes an explanation which is too simple can be dangerous, by obscuring complexities. Sexuality is complex. If you don't believe me ask "the bearded one".

It seemed to me that his conclusions could have been used to deny surgeries to large group of transgender people who seek them today. I understand that academics have rights to propose new theories. But I think that they have to look at the possible uses of their theories if they are widely accepted. I may be wrong, but his theory could have been used to further discriminate against a minority who are struggling for accpetance, and even existance.

wiiwii
08-23-2007, 04:14 PM
Well I think this is a complicated issue, but first of all let me say that i havent bothered to read anything else about this subject besides what is in this post. These are increasingly bad times for science as regards political correctness. Science by its nature deals with the unknown and tries to make sense of it, and in particular psychology is complex and hard to define. Its asolutely crazy that someone should be hounded because people dont like the results they come up with. The person who criticized bailey is a good example. So that person would refuse and debunk anything that one scientist came up with, but you can be damn sure that the same person would love a scientist who invented a pill to magically change gender. Science has nothing to do with opinion. And to bring up the nazis is pretty funny. Maybe that person would like to have followed political correctness in ww2 germany, and kill jews guilt-free. Politics changes with the breeze, science never changes. Oh and the whole thing about that other person taking pictures of his children....jesus christ!

hondarobot
08-23-2007, 04:45 PM
That's a lot to read, and I gotta get to work soon, so I just skimmed most of it for now. From what I read, it seems that the central contention this guys detractors have is this:


"In his book, he argued that some people born male who want to cross genders are driven primarily by an erotic fascination with themselves as women."

What's the problem with that theory? It's a bit of a no-brainer in my opinion. Obviously some people change gender due to an erotic fascination. That Brazilian former porn star who gets mentioned here occasionally and went back to being male is a prime example.

I don't think it's a very common phenomenon but it certainly does happen in a few rare cases. What's these peoples problem with this guy?

Oh shit, I just thought of something. I remember a guy awhile back who posted elsewhere that he was conducting a secret research paper of TS. My God! "Superman" finally got published!

:wink:

yodajazz
08-24-2007, 09:42 AM
What's the problem with that theory? .... I don't think it's a very common phenomenon but it certainly does happen in a few rare cases. What's these peoples problem with this guy?

:wink:

I think the problem with his theory is that he said the phenomenon was very common in transexuals. I think part of his theory was to explain why any trans would not be completely heterosexual after transition. I'll admit that I am no expert on his theories. But he seem to be particularly disliked by the people whose behavior he was trying to explain, transexuals. This is a strong indication that his theories were inadequete.
For example, according to Vicki Richter, she wrote this directly to Dr. Bailey


Anyway, I am glad that you have put your "degree(s)" toward good use. You are definitely clueless in your field and I find your research and banter extremely weak. You're just another jackass lumping transsexuals in with gays because you REALLY don't have a clue. Keeping talking with drag queens and women of the night for your research and the quality will remain as such.

Vicki

Here is a recent thread where his theories were discussed.

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=22846&highlight=bailey

hondarobot
08-24-2007, 03:23 PM
What's the problem with that theory? .... I don't think it's a very common phenomenon but it certainly does happen in a few rare cases. What's these peoples problem with this guy?

:wink:

I think the problem with his theory is that he said the phenomenon was very common in transexuals. I think part of his theory was to explain why any trans would not be completely heterosexual after transition. I'll admit that I am no expert on his theories. But he seem to be particularly disliked by the people whose behavior he was trying to explain, transexuals. This is a strong indication that his theories were inadequete.
For example, according to Vicki Richter, she wrote this directly to Dr. Bailey


Anyway, I am glad that you have put your "degree(s)" toward good use. You are definitely clueless in your field and I find your research and banter extremely weak. You're just another jackass lumping transsexuals in with gays because you REALLY don't have a clue. Keeping talking with drag queens and women of the night for your research and the quality will remain as such.

Vicki

Here is a recent thread where his theories were discussed.

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=22846&highlight=bailey

Oh no.

I had no idea Vicki Richter had any communication with this guy, I've never heard of him or his research before yesterday morning when I read this thread. I certainly don't agree with his idea that pursuing an erotic ideal is a common factor in transitioning gender. That could apply to drag queens and cross dressers, but it would be absurd to think it applied to actual TS.

I'm not going to bother reading this Dr. Bailey's stuff, because it's probably pretty stupid. I do stand by my statement that situations like the Brazilian porn star who reverted back to male have, in fact, happened. You can't just ignore documented fact. That's all I'm saying, and I have nothing further to add.

Caleigh
08-24-2007, 04:57 PM
"I'm not going to bother reading this Dr. Bailey's stuff, because it's probably pretty stupid. I do stand by my statement that situations like the Brazilian porn star who reverted back to male have, in fact, happened. You can't just ignore documented fact."

This sort of anecdotal story is one of the reasons Mr. Baileys work has been put under scrutiny. The fact that you can come up with ONE story does not mean that it is a common situation.

He is not the first to posit the autogynephilia model for transsexuality. What I personally believe is that it acconts for a LARGE percentage of the people you encounter in CD/TV/TG/TS chatrooms who seem to be mostly interested in sex and especially sex with other CD/TV/TG/TS but that very few of these people actually are profoundly enough TG to want to risk their families, friends and livelihood to transition. Who knows, maybe in the future they will do CAT scans on people and decide of you are a candidate for SRS/GRS based on the thickness of your corpus collossum or some other physical measurement instead of psych tests. This may not be more accurate, but at least it would be empirical and therefore would assuage the taxpayers who bitch about paying for the treatment of transsexuals while their gov't is practically shovelling $$ into the pockets of weapons manufacturers.

gosh, i think that qualifies as a mild rant, especially at the end.