is it that hard for ts to find truye love ?

[jessicamoore]

I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO TELL TELL ME WHY CANT MOST TS FIND LOVE YES I CAN MEET MEN BUT WHEN I DO THEY STEAL LIE CHEAT IM SO TIRED OF GUYS SAYING I WANNA BE WITH YOU BUT THEY FORGOT TO TELL ME THEY ALSO WANNA BE WITH ALOT OF OTHER PEOPLE TOO JUST WONDERING ?

[ptyseminole]

I think is hard for everyone...and yes, maybe TS have a harder time given that their target market is smaller than the target market for GGs.

[62des]

As already said don't make this seem like a TS problem because GG's get this same stuff handed to them. Its all in the matter of what type of guys you are dating.

[Trogdor]

Depends on 'who' you are dating. If you're dating the 'bad boys', meaning jerks, punks, gangbangers and hoodlems, don't expect much. :P

[lincspoacher]

Hi Jessica,

Nice to meet you .. as already stated,please don't see this problem as being unique to TG women .. we men have much the same kind of problems ..

OK,so we don't get cheated or stolen from (unless you put yourself in a silly position to begin with) but we do have to contend with the,probably quite justified in many cases .. jaundiced view of many T-Girls that ALL men are a waste of space & that anything we say is automatically a lie ..

It can be just as frustrating .. knowing that there are men out there who completely ruin things for those of us who are genuine .. shame there isn't some kind of definitive test to determine who's genuine & who's not .. :lol:

Until some bright spark comes up with a foolproof method of weeding out the fantasists, wannabees & downright liars (personally,I'm all in favour of stringing up men like that by their nuts .. using a rusty cheese-wire) .. I guess you'll just have to continue relying on your own good judgement .. but please,whatever you do .. don't let it make you blind to the fact that there are decent men out there & I hope you meet one soon .. :wink:

Bye for now,

Poacher xx

[torakiki]

This is a right question, as well as the opposite....
Why it is so hard to find a ts with whom we can have a serious LTR ?
I've realized that most of ts tend to act in a way that push "nice guys" far from them...

[yodajazz]

My humble advice is to don't give it up too easily. The longer you can wait and get to know the person, you can judge a little about their character. Of course it is easier to hide things for a long time, but some things you can see after a short period of time. Take everything they say with a 'grain of salt', because their actions will speak as much as their words.

You will eventually find the one that makes the wait worth it. And remember that if you get to a long term thing, you will have spent a lot more time talking than having sex.

[lincspoacher]

Megabody,

Many thanks for your spirited defence of the older man (I'm 57) .. :wink:

What you say is quite true .. the more mature men have already done all the silly,callow things of youth & are now ready to settle into a loving,stable,mutually-respecting relationship ..

I agree (to a certain extent) about looks too .. having said that I'm no oil painting (but I'm no fat,saggy slob either) .. I'm not looking to date a "Cover Girl" type either (but if she happens to come along .. :lol: ) .. one has to accept,along with everyone else in the "dating game" .. that beauty is in the eye of the beholder ..

I keep going back to the point that "looks" .. or "external equipment" are just the "wrappings" .. strip those away .. have a good look at what's "inside" .. that's where you'll find out what sort of person someone really is .. whether they be Male,Female or TG ..

Bye for now,

Poacher xx

[KiraHarden]

BECAUSE MIST TS GIRLS LIKE THE WRONG GUYS......THEY PICK THUGS AND PLAYERS TO BE THIER MAN.......I GOT A CREW OF FRIENDS ALL LOOKING FOR ROMANCE, THEY SWEAR ALL TRANNYS SUCK.....THEN I KNOW A TON IF GIRLS SEEKING ROMANCE , THEY CLAIM ALL MEN SUCK......I TELL THEM ALL, YOU LAY DOWN WITH DOGS YOU CATCH FLEAS....IF YOUR LOOKING FOR A TROPHY HUSBAND OR WIFE THEN YOUR DEALING WITH A SELFISH EGOTISTICAL PERSON....START LOOKING FOR A HEART, NOT AN OVA BOY AND YOULL FIND WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR...HINT......HE AINT UNDER 35..........OLDER GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY WANT IN LIFE....A 21 YEAROLD IS A BOY, HE STILL NEEDS TO SEW OATS.....HE WILL GO THROUGH CHANGES, YOULL BE SUNDAYS NEWS ON MONDAY TO HIM......STABILITY COMES WITH AGE, SO DOES WISDOM, THE OLDER THE GUY THE MORE SERIOUS HE IS ABOUT SEEKING A LIFEMATE....GOOD LUCK!



OOPS ONE MORE THING...THE REALITY FACTOR, IF GIRL IS 6'4" TALL, OR A MAN IS A FAT SAGGY SLOB AND YOU EXPECT TO GET A TROPHY MATE, THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK IN THE REALITY MIRROR...YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR OWN REFLECTION, MEANING IF YOUR NOT ATTRACTIVE BUT SEEK A SUPERMODEL.....YOU WILL BE ALONE...YOU NEED TO LOOK FOR YOUR EQUAL

I'm 6'-3' Damn, now I know why I have never had a boyfriend, and I thought it was because I was a shy. I guess im doomed to a life of being alone.... LOL

[bklynboy]

I had a meaningful, loving relationship for four years. I found out in the end she was a player. Stole high five figures from me. Its par for the course. If you come by things honestly including being honest with yourself, things will happen for you.

[lincspoacher]

Hi Kira,

If what you believe is true .. then that's an awful shame .. and if I may say so a dreadful waste of a very good looking lady ! .. :wink:

At just under 6' 0" I'm hardly short .. but I once dated a 6' 2" Girl & felt dwarfed,especially when she wore heels too .. :lol:

I'm sure someone "right" will come your way before long .. 8)

Bye for now,

Poacher xx

[62des]

BECAUSE MIST TS GIRLS LIKE THE WRONG GUYS......THEY PICK THUGS AND PLAYERS TO BE THIER MAN.......I GOT A CREW OF FRIENDS ALL LOOKING FOR ROMANCE, THEY SWEAR ALL TRANNYS SUCK.....THEN I KNOW A TON IF GIRLS SEEKING ROMANCE , THEY CLAIM ALL MEN SUCK......I TELL THEM ALL, YOU LAY DOWN WITH DOGS YOU CATCH FLEAS....IF YOUR LOOKING FOR A TROPHY HUSBAND OR WIFE THEN YOUR DEALING WITH A SELFISH EGOTISTICAL PERSON....START LOOKING FOR A HEART, NOT AN OVA BOY AND YOULL FIND WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR...HINT......HE AINT UNDER 35..........OLDER GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY WANT IN LIFE....A 21 YEAROLD IS A BOY, HE STILL NEEDS TO SEW OATS.....HE WILL GO THROUGH CHANGES, YOULL BE SUNDAYS NEWS ON MONDAY TO HIM......STABILITY COMES WITH AGE, SO DOES WISDOM, THE OLDER THE GUY THE MORE SERIOUS HE IS ABOUT SEEKING A LIFEMATE....GOOD LUCK!



OOPS ONE MORE THING...THE REALITY FACTOR, IF GIRL IS 6'4" TALL, OR A MAN IS A FAT SAGGY SLOB AND YOU EXPECT TO GET A TROPHY MATE, THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK IN THE REALITY MIRROR...YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR OWN REFLECTION, MEANING IF YOUR NOT ATTRACTIVE BUT SEEK A SUPERMODEL.....YOU WILL BE ALONE...YOU NEED TO LOOK FOR YOUR EQUAL

Couldn't be more true.

[melissacarter]

I'm 6'-3' Damn, now I know why I have never had a boyfriend, and I thought it was because I was a shy. I guess im doomed to a life of being alone.... LOL

Kira, please don't shortchange yourself. There are thousands of guys that would love a girl like you, regardless of height.

I found love nine months ago. He has become my best friend, lover and trust him with my life. He is so wise, fair and kind. I'm lucky. But I always feel he's one step away from dumping my ass. Maybe thats because there is so much drama connected to the life of a TS, it can be a little much...

He is single and available. I think one reason many TS have trouble finding committed loving relationships is because half the admirers are either married or tied to another person, often a GG. From the TS perspective its a huge turn off when guys say "I'm available daytime during the week". Another way of saying, "you will always be second in line".

[irishgirl]

Well, I hate to bring this up again, but i think there is a very very small pool of guys who are interested in trans women in a serious way, who don't have weird hangups about it that would keep them from being in ltr. So, the odds of a real connection between dudes open to a ltr with someone who is trans and a trans woman is pretty tiny. However about half the population are men who would be open to dating a trans woman if they did not know they are trans. It would be much easier to find someone with whom you shared a personal connection from that pool. Of course they then need to be ok when they find out your trans, but if youve made a personal connection thats likely to happen.

As for me I'm looking for love from any angle, but it's been rough sailing too.

[Azanti]

True love is hard to find for anyone, anywhere, at any time - when it does happen, it's great...

[werwt22]

I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO TELL TELL ME WHY CANT MOST TS FIND LOVE YES I CAN MEET MEN BUT WHEN I DO THEY STEAL LIE CHEAT IM SO TIRED OF GUYS SAYING I WANNA BE WITH YOU BUT THEY FORGOT TO TELL ME THEY ALSO WANNA BE WITH ALOT OF OTHER PEOPLE TOO JUST WONDERING ?


All women, TS or GG, go through the same thing. Everyone gets used at some point and time. But theres a few problems I see a lot with TS. They always have up this protective barrier, like a mental brick wall, where they dont wanna let anyone in and you have to go way too far for them to accept you. You'll never find love until you allow yourself to be loved.

Some need to come off of their high horse while some need to stop being so paranoid and others need to know when to listen. I see so many men approach looking for a possible relationship or friendship and all the TS does is try to seal another $200-$600 bucks. It doesnt take much to let someone in. Yes you may get hurt opening up, but there's also the possibility that you'll end up happy. IMO it's worth the risk b/c being lonely forever hurts.

[irishgirl]

[ I see so many men approach looking for a possible relationship or friendship and all the TS does is try to seal another $200-$600 bucks. It doesnt take much to let someone in. .

Your equating working girls with trans women. Not all trans women are working girls. And trans women that are working girls need to get their bills paid same as anyone else, so them trying to make a buck is separate from their state of emotional availability.

[tsntx]

BECAUSE MIST TS GIRLS LIKE THE WRONG GUYS......THEY PICK THUGS AND PLAYERS TO BE THIER MAN.......I GOT A CREW OF FRIENDS ALL LOOKING FOR ROMANCE, THEY SWEAR ALL TRANNYS SUCK.....THEN I KNOW A TON IF GIRLS SEEKING ROMANCE , THEY CLAIM ALL MEN SUCK......I TELL THEM ALL, YOU LAY DOWN WITH DOGS YOU CATCH FLEAS....IF YOUR LOOKING FOR A TROPHY HUSBAND OR WIFE THEN YOUR DEALING WITH A SELFISH EGOTISTICAL PERSON....START LOOKING FOR A HEART, NOT AN OVA BOY AND YOULL FIND WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR...HINT......HE AINT UNDER 35..........OLDER GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY WANT IN LIFE....A 21 YEAROLD IS A BOY, HE STILL NEEDS TO SEW OATS.....HE WILL GO THROUGH CHANGES, YOULL BE SUNDAYS NEWS ON MONDAY TO HIM......STABILITY COMES WITH AGE, SO DOES WISDOM, THE OLDER THE GUY THE MORE SERIOUS HE IS ABOUT SEEKING A LIFEMATE....GOOD LUCK!



OOPS ONE MORE THING...THE REALITY FACTOR, IF GIRL IS 6'4" TALL, OR A MAN IS A FAT SAGGY SLOB AND YOU EXPECT TO GET A TROPHY MATE, THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK IN THE REALITY MIRROR...YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR OWN REFLECTION, MEANING IF YOUR NOT ATTRACTIVE BUT SEEK A SUPERMODEL.....YOU WILL BE ALONE...YOU NEED TO LOOK FOR YOUR EQUAL

Couldn't be more true.

uh... no... couldnt be more wrong... saying that a girl is tall is equal to her being unnatractive is just SOME ppls insecurities about THEIR height reflected onto others... listen kids.. its not OUR fault your short as shit... dont blame us for being tall... blame your parents inferior genes.

the part about looking for a heart is right the part of looking for your physical equal is right... but telling a 25 yr old really attractive girl she needs to date an old man.... thats wishful thinking -j

[tsntx]

... its also just as likely an old man will trade a once pretty young thing for a newer model... age doesnt secure shit... it goes both ways

[mbf]

Well, I hate to bring this up again, but i think there is a very very small pool of guys who are interested in trans women in a serious way, who don't have weird hangups about it that would keep them from being in ltr. So, the odds of a real connection between dudes open to a ltr with someone who is trans and a trans woman is pretty tiny. However about half the population are men who would be open to dating a trans woman if they did not know they are trans. It would be much easier to find someone with whom you shared a personal connection from that pool. Of course they then need to be ok when they find out your trans, but if youve made a personal connection thats likely to happen.

As for me I'm looking for love from any angle, but it's been rough sailing too.

well, from most of your posts regarding relationships and all that i get an odd feeling. you seem to start off from a negative bias already - from the very beginning you consider a guy that has some interest in you a rarity, therefore probably beeing overcritical.

so, why cant u just try and have a good time with someone who likes you? you seem overcomplicating things by always asking "is he sincere? isnt he just a "chaser" type?" that signals insecurity and immaturity - which isnt the most attractive thing.

for a guy who dates TS and sees her question anything - thats a huge turn off as well.

a realtionship is give and take (yeah, phrase alarm - nevertheless true)

[TomSelis]

I'm going to say this again: You can't have a relationship without demanding respect from the other person. If you don't get it, it's not worth having the relationship.

- If you start off with a bootie call, that's all it's going to be.

- If you see signs you don't like, you're not going to be able to change the person.

-If the relationship is not to your liking, you should walk away and fast.

I don't understand why people won't accept these truths and keep falling into the same rut. Learn from your mistakes. This is not even a TS v. Man issue, this is a personal issue. Hoping for the perfect one that's not going to hurt you is a nice dream, but not real.

[jessicamoore]

THANKS EVERYONE FOR YOUR COMMENTS BUT I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT I DONT LOOK FOR THUGS TO BE IN A RELATIONSHIP IM 35 YEARS OLD I DID THAT WHEN I WAS 20 I LIKE OLDER GUYS FROM 30 TO WHATEVER BUT I JUST SEEM TO FALL PREY TO GUYS WHO ARE DOGS I EVEN STATRED DATING WOMEN AND THEY CHEATED ON ME IT AWFUL THANK GOD I LIKE MY OWN COMPANY BECAUSE IF I DIDNT I WOULD GO CRAZY I DONT CHEAT I LIKE SPENDING TIME AT HOME BESIDE WHAT I DO AND IM TIRED OF THAT ITS TOO MUCH MUCH WORK NOW THAT IM OLDER IM ABOUT TO GO BACK TO COLLEGE AND FINISH MY 2 TEARS AND DO SOCIAL WORK JUST WANT LOVE THAT IT

[bklynboy]

Well, I hate to bring this up again, but i think there is a very very small pool of guys who are interested in trans women in a serious way, who don't have weird hangups about it

IRISH GIRL:

You are wrong. We are out here. You just have to give us a chance. Like me, I'm not the tallest, strongest, richest or most handsome guy on the planet, but I know that TS relationships can be difficult. Many of us do have hearts. We do understand. When I go to a TS bar, I hate getting "rolled up on". That seems to be the game. One I am very tired of.

[tsntx]

Well, I hate to bring this up again, but i think there is a very very small pool of guys who are interested in trans women in a serious way, who don't have weird hangups about it

IRISH GIRL:

You are wrong. We are out here. You just have to give us a chance. Like me, I'm not the tallest, strongest, richest or most handsome guy on the planet, but I know that TS relationships can be difficult. Many of us do have hearts. We do understand. When I go to a TS bar, I hate getting "rolled up on". That seems to be the game. One I am very tired of.

so dont expect to 1. a supermodel to be turned on by you and 2. dont expect to find love where most girls that are hookers are trying to work

im on several dating sites trying to find a BF ... all i can find are clients... if i go to an escort site all i ever seem to get are guys asking to be my bf ... do you see the problem that i and other TS are seeing?? -j

[lovablebear39]

hello i have not been here in a long time.lost my in fo.but found it.i have to say.i have been tring to meet a nice ts here in md for a very long time.i work have own place.and lead a normal life looking for that lady.i want to have a relationship.just hard to find a lady her in md who not a escort.or like them rough neck bad boys or muscler pertty boys.the last lady i meet we talked for a while.he to see me i go see her.then i chuaght her doing drugs in my bath room.she had to go.so i like what im reading.every one take care

[NadiaUSA]

- If you start off with a bootie call, that's all it's going to be.


Thats not so, at least if you mean client is the same as booty call.

How else are you going to meet the TS you want, sit there and wait for her to show up at a club.

I have met lots of super nice guys. I think most people need the TS to be financially stable though. It's hard to find someone that can afford the burdon of another persons expenses.

Nadia

[TomSelis]

Thats not so, at least if you mean client is the same as booty call.

How else are you going to meet the TS you want, sit there and wait for her to show up at a club.

I have met lots of super nice guys. I think most people need the TS to be financially stable though. It's hard to find someone that can afford the burdon of another persons expenses.

Nadia

Ummm, no sweetheart I'm not talking about a client/escort level. That seems to get confused a lot on this forum.

I'm talking about a relationship ending the way it starts off.

[tsntx]

Thats not so, at least if you mean client is the same as booty call.

How else are you going to meet the TS you want, sit there and wait for her to show up at a club.

I have met lots of super nice guys. I think most people need the TS to be financially stable though. It's hard to find someone that can afford the burdon of another persons expenses.

Nadia

Ummm, no sweetheart I'm not talking about a client/escort level. That seems to get confused a lot on this forum.

I'm talking about a relationship ending the way it starts off.

the 3 main relationships ive been in started off as booty calls.. had they only lasted as casual sex your rule would apply ... one was for about 6yrs another 1.5yrs and the last was 10 months -j

[bklynboy]

All:

I'm not focused on looks.

What do you have in your heart and head? Where do you want life to take you? Very important questions that I want to know. That's what makes a mate.

[meghanchavalier]

I've been with my boyfriend for almost 7 years so I think it's quite possible to find love. I wasn't looking for it, but we found each other and have built a life knowing that we're both in it for the long haul. I think you have to be open to it and know that you'll have to learn to co-operate with each other on many differen't issues. I also think that it gets alot easier as you get older, I'm 38 so I waited until my 30's to settle down you're less prone to put up with someone's BS when you get older so it helps weed out the bad ones.
Just my thoughts 8)

[qeuqheeg222]

wax museum.

[TomSelis]

Thats not so, at least if you mean client is the same as booty call.

How else are you going to meet the TS you want, sit there and wait for her to show up at a club.

I have met lots of super nice guys. I think most people need the TS to be financially stable though. It's hard to find someone that can afford the burdon of another persons expenses.

Nadia

Ummm, no sweetheart I'm not talking about a client/escort level. That seems to get confused a lot on this forum.

I'm talking about a relationship ending the way it starts off.

the 3 main relationships ive been in started off as booty calls.. had they only lasted as casual sex your rule would apply ... one was for about 6yrs another 1.5yrs and the last was 10 months -j

There's no absolutes in love babe, only rules of thumb.

[TomSelis]

I've been with my boyfriend for almost 7 years so I think it's quite possible to find love. I wasn't looking for it, but we found each other and have built a life knowing that we're both in it for the long haul. I think you have to be open to it and know that you'll have to learn to co-operate with each other on many differen't issues. I also think that it gets alot easier as you get older, I'm 38 so I waited until my 30's to settle down you're less prone to put up with someone's BS when you get older so it helps weed out the bad ones.
Just my thoughts 8)

That's pretty much what I was saying, right there.

[manbearpig]

Defending the younger guys, not all of us have fidelity problems. Alot of us get all our craziness out as teens and we're perfectly capable of an honest relationship in our 20s (I'm 22...and single :wink: lol). And as far as hangups are concerned, it goes for dating TS as well as GG. A fear of commitment is a fear of commitment.

[justatransgirl]

I'm 6'-3' Damn, now I know why I have never had a boyfriend, and I thought it was because I was a shy. I guess im doomed to a life of being alone.... LOL

Kira you are HOT! If you haven't found a guy you are either looking or living in the wrong place or you are scaring them off somehow other than height.

Really girl, I'd die for your body!

Hugs,
TS Jamie

[tsntx]

Defending the younger guys, not all of us have fidelity problems. Alot of us get all our craziness out as teens and we're perfectly capable of an honest relationship in our 20s (I'm 22...and single :wink: lol). And as far as hangups are concerned, it goes for dating TS as well as GG. A fear of commitment is a fear of commitment.


true .. however you wont get outcast from your friends/ family/ job for bringing a gg home for the holidays

not that you will w/ a ts either... most guys just think they will so they never try... pussies

obviously if this doesnt apply to you... it doesnt apply to you no need to be mad at something that doesnt pertain to you... if it does... dont get mad at me for your own insecurities... im fine w/ who i am... are you?*








* you in general not you as in poster i quoted

[meghanchavalier]

There's a huge difference between guys in there 20's and guys 30 and older but you won't figure that out until you surpass the big 30. When you're in your 20's your supposed to want to go out and fuck anything that moves, it just comes with the territory.

[mbf]

There's a huge difference between guys in there 20's and guys 30 and older but you won't figure that out until you surpass the big 30. When you're in your 20's your supposed to want to go out and fuck anything that moves, it just comes with the territory.

well, now that i am approaching 30 i noticed differences. probably a shift from quantity into quality. experience just comes with age theres no denial of that.

[manbearpig]

There's a huge difference between guys in there 20's and guys 30 and older but you won't figure that out until you surpass the big 30. When you're in your 20's your supposed to want to go out and fuck anything that moves, it just comes with the territory.

lol then I guess I'm the odd ball. But I think thats a biased stereotype. There might be a huge difference in guys in their 20's and guys in their 30's, however you shouldn't judge all from the actions of a few. I've seen people in their 30's more f*cked up and childish than their 20 year old counterparts. It's best to get to know someone on a friendly, emotional and intellectual level before you count them out based solely on age.

[werwt22]

[ I see so many men approach looking for a possible relationship or friendship and all the TS does is try to seal another $200-$600 bucks. It doesnt take much to let someone in. .

Your equating working girls with trans women. Not all trans women are working girls. And trans women that are working girls need to get their bills paid same as anyone else, so them trying to make a buck is separate from their state of emotional availability.

OK and you must have missed the other 80% of my post. Fuck getting your bills paid....that's not the issue. As far as the "Working girls" issue, they work any time of they day they feel....if the opportunity is there it doesn't take much to ditch the whole quick buck attitude and find a possible candidate if one is staring you in your face. And is it my job to distinguish the ones that escort from the ones that don't? No...."I love whom I love." -The Last Unicorn. I see someone I wanna talk to and wanna spend time with then that's what I'll do....cut and dry and no excuses. Plenty of opportunity surrounds a lot of people and some just choose to not see.

[lincspoacher]

I think the main point to emerge from this thread is that whilst all looking for love .. we're all different & "love" means different things to different people .. and thank goodness for that .. it would be a very boring old world if we were all the same ... :lol:

I do truly believe that there is "someone" out there for everyone .. the problem is finding that special "someone" .. so .. the search,for me at least continues ... :wink:

Bye for now,

Poacher xx

[BrendaQG]

Love is something that was invented to sell greeting cards. I truly believe that. The only thing their is that looks like "true love" is attachment and getting used to having someone around. Then there is lust.

Live for the moment because nothing and nobody can really guarantee how they will feel tomorrow.

That is the same for TS GG and anyone else.

[bklynboy]

"Live for the moment because nothing and nobody can really guarantee how they will feel tomorrow.

That is the same for TS GG and anyone else."

Dumbest thing you can possibly say. That means I, I, Me, Me . . . it doesn't work like that. Love can be special and sometimes it takes time to happen. Your attitude connotes putting your hands in someone's pockets and being selfish. Wake up!

[SarahG]

Love is something that was invented to sell greeting cards. I truly believe that. The only thing their is that looks like "true love" is attachment and getting used to having someone around. Then there is lust.


I completely agree, in my own experience it is rare to see someone else with those sentiments.

[qeuqheeg222]

some bitterness in the wax museum...

[BrendaQG]

Love is something that was invented to sell greeting cards. I truly believe that. The only thing their is that looks like "true love" is attachment and getting used to having someone around. Then there is lust.


I completely agree, in my own experience it is rare to see someone else with those sentiments.

It is just such a socially unacceptable thing to say (see the unwarentedly hostile comments above). So most people don't say anything.

Love as we know it was invented in the 14-17th centuries by trubadors, romatic poets, and william shakespear.

I am not without a heart. I have felt strong feelings of attachment to people, my family, friends, and boyfriends. I just can't say that I would do a Romeo and Juliet Suicide over them. Understand?

[BrendaQG]

oops DP

[Trogdor]

I do truly believe that there is "someone" out there for everyone .. the problem is finding that special "someone" .. so .. the search,for me at least continues ... :wink:

Bye for now,

Poacher xx

Pffft :P

If I had a dollar for each time I heard that, especially when it's from a girl, I'd have myself an army of gold robots by now. :roll:

[Trogdor]

From the TS perspective its a huge turn off when guys say "I'm available daytime during the week". Another way of saying, "you will always be second in line".

Girls do that to guys all the time.

Here's how many girls I know think:

"Bad Boys" = The guys I wanna date, fuck, and have fun with.

Decent, respecitibe good guys = Guys I wanna marry.


Being the later, or 'the back-up plan' is neither good, nor flattring as well.

[manbearpig]

Love is something that was invented to sell greeting cards. I truly believe that. The only thing their is that looks like "true love" is attachment and getting used to having someone around. Then there is lust.


I completely agree, in my own experience it is rare to see someone else with those sentiments.

It is just such a socially unacceptable thing to say (see the unwarentedly hostile comments above). So most people don't say anything.

Love as we know it was invented in the 14-17th centuries by trubadors, romatic poets, and william shakespear.

I am not without a heart. I have felt strong feelings of attachment to people, my family, friends, and boyfriends. I just can't say that I would do a Romeo and Juliet Suicide over them. Understand?

I think love still exists in some form. You just have to go through lots of unnecessary bullshit to get there. People are just too afraid to let themselves go. Its ridiculous. And "preferences" eliminate at least half of your chance of finding it. I mean, really, how do you know that your "true love" isn't someone the complete opposite of what you're looking for?

[tsntx]

Love is something that was invented to sell greeting cards. I truly believe that. The only thing their is that looks like "true love" is attachment and getting used to having someone around. Then there is lust.


I completely agree, in my own experience it is rare to see someone else with those sentiments.

It is just such a socially unacceptable thing to say (see the unwarentedly hostile comments above). So most people don't say anything.

Love as we know it was invented in the 14-17th centuries by trubadors, romatic poets, and william shakespear.

I am not without a heart. I have felt strong feelings of attachment to people, my family, friends, and boyfriends. I just can't say that I would do a Romeo and Juliet Suicide over them. Understand?

I think love still exists in some form. You just have to go through lots of unnecessary bullshit to get there. People are just too afraid to let themselves go. Its ridiculous. And "preferences" eliminate at least half of your chance of finding it. I mean, really, how do you know that your "true love" isn't someone the complete opposite of what you're looking for?

if my "true love" could be found in both of the following canidates... i can gurantee you ill only look for it in one... looks matter... ive been in love w/ someone that wasnt exactly what i was looking for physically but he was close enough to get me interested... and thats important to everyone.

[BrendaQG]

If you want to see a good summary of many TS's love lives just look at one of those Bugs Bunny Cartoons where Bugs is in drag. What does he do? He marries the Tazmanian devil, or Elmer Fudd (both bad boys, thugs).... Both of whom have either been trying to kill or beat up Bugs. Just to have Taz or Elmer go basically go into shock then get angry when they find out their bride is really a bunny rabit.

All the basics are there.

[tsntx]

If you want to see a good summary of many TS's love lives just look at one of those Bugs Bunny Cartoons where Bugs is in drag. What does he do? He marries the Tazmanian devil, or Elmer Fudd (both bad boys, thugs).... Both of whom have either been trying to kill or beat up Bugs. Just to have Taz or Elmer go basically go into shock then get angry when they find out their bride is really a bunny rabit.

All the basics are there.

im sure there was a good point in there somewhere... ijust dont know where. :D

[mbf]

Love as we know it was invented in the 14-17th centuries by trubadors, romatic poets, and william shakespear.


id like to disagree on here, although one could argue that "love" is a concept of "western" culture, but it originated in ancient greek and rome - since there are love poems and odes to be found - for instance Publius Ovidius Nasos "ars amatorae" or "amores"

[BrendaQG]

If you want to see a good summary of many TS's love lives just look at one of those Bugs Bunny Cartoons where Bugs is in drag. What does he do? He marries the Tazmanian devil, or Elmer Fudd (both bad boys, thugs).... Both of whom have either been trying to kill or beat up Bugs. Just to have Taz or Elmer go basically go into shock then get angry when they find out their bride is really a bunny rabit.

All the basics are there.

im sure there was a good point in there somewhere... ijust dont know where. :D

Not really. Just thought it would be a funny way to look at the subject of this thread.

[SarahG]

Love is something that was invented to sell greeting cards. I truly believe that. The only thing their is that looks like "true love" is attachment and getting used to having someone around. Then there is lust.


I completely agree, in my own experience it is rare to see someone else with those sentiments.

It is just such a socially unacceptable thing to say (see the unwarentedly hostile comments above). So most people don't say anything.

Love as we know it was invented in the 14-17th centuries by trubadors, romatic poets, and william shakespear.

I am not without a heart. I have felt strong feelings of attachment to people, my family, friends, and boyfriends. I just can't say that I would do a Romeo and Juliet Suicide over them. Understand?

I think love still exists in some form. You just have to go through lots of unnecessary bullshit to get there. People are just too afraid to let themselves go. Its ridiculous. And "preferences" eliminate at least half of your chance of finding it. I mean, really, how do you know that your "true love" isn't someone the complete opposite of what you're looking for?

if my "true love" could be found in both of the following canidates... i can gurantee you ill only look for it in one... looks matter... ive been in love w/ someone that wasnt exactly what i was looking for physically but he was close enough to get me interested... and thats important to everyone.

lmao

At least Leno has that awesome car collection, but going by what I know about him I don't think he'd ever leave his wife, no matter what so rather or not he would be your true love becomes a moot point.

I know alot of grown straight men that would "go gay" for leno if it meant having access to his cars lol lol.

[tsntx]

I know alot of grown straight men that would "go gay" for leno if it meant having access to his cars lol lol.

well i meant physically not the real person behind each

[melissacarter]

From the TS perspective its a huge turn off when guys say "I'm available daytime during the week". Another way of saying, "you will always be second in line".

Girls do that to guys all the time.

Here's how many girls I know think:

"Bad Boys" = The guys I wanna date, fuck, and have fun with.

Decent, respecitibe good guys = Guys I wanna marry.


Being the later, or 'the back-up plan' is neither good, nor flattring as well.

I'm sure you're right, for you, but I was speaking only from my personal perspective. I'm with a guy that has both. I don't think of him as a "bad boy" its more like good looking, cool and fun. I'd rather use the label "good guy".

At 39 I'm not looking for a guy to do X and go rave with, or pick me up in his suped-up Mustang. I'll take dinner, a movie and good conversation. Maybe the gals you're speaking of are younger?

[KiraHarden]

I'm 6'-3' Damn, now I know why I have never had a boyfriend, and I thought it was because I was a shy. I guess im doomed to a life of being alone.... LOL

Kira, please don't shortchange yourself. There are thousands of guys that would love a girl like you, regardless of height.

I found love nine months ago. He has become my best friend, lover and trust him with my life. He is so wise, fair and kind. I'm lucky. But I always feel he's one step away from dumping my ass. Maybe thats because there is so much drama connected to the life of a TS, it can be a little much...

He is single and available. I think one reason many TS have trouble finding committed loving relationships is because half the admirers are either married or tied to another person, often a GG. From the TS perspective its a huge turn off when guys say "I'm available daytime during the week". Another way of saying, "you will always be second in line".
I was being sarchastic to his posting.

[PapiBear]

Some thoughts:
1. Relationships are hard. 60% of all *marriages* fail in this country. Now think about how many relationships end before marriage. So pick yourself up, grab a new lipstick, and get back out there girl.


2. Attraction is not a choice. Instead of trying to please your man, start thinking of what will make him even more attracted to you. For example

a. Give him the gift of missing you. (Let him call/write to you first)

b. Let him be a little-bit jealous. Men like to see that their women are in demand.

c. Seduce him. Dress sexy, set the stage, then let him think it’s all his idea. Even when you've been together for 7 years.

d. Let him work for you. The more he emotionally invests, the more he helps you, the harder it is to leave. Especially when you've been together for 7 years.

e. Act confidently: get out and about. If you’re leading an interesting life, you’re going to be much more confident and much more attractive.

Look at what else he finds attractive. If it works, do that. If it doesn’t, stop it.


3. Sex is kindling; Laughter and conversation are fuel. What do you guys talk about?
Bad topics:

a. How hard it is to be trans-g

b. His faults

c. “Us” (and what’s wrong with “us”)

d. You're weekly drama

Good topics:

a. Anything that makes his eyes light up

b. How great a job he did (insert something he did for you.)

c. Asking him to explain something really complicated

d. How dumb (insert favorite celeb) is

e. Those stupid single guys who are not lucky enough to have someone like you in their mouth every night.



4. Train him (like you'd train a dog). Yeah, this sounds a little unromantic but it can be great fun. You can train him to come, and, yes, to stay. (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/25/fashion/25love.html) He’ll be happy, you’ll be secure.

5. Checkpoint I: Have you met his friends & family? If you’ve been going out for 2 months and the answer is no, then dump him; he’s not for real.

6. Be You. So many people act one way when dating and other in a relationship and then wonder why it doesn’t work. Be yourself; see who shows up.

7. Checkpoint II: Travel Together: A week together on the road is the real test of a relationship. If you’re laughing and having a great time, you’re gold. Especially if you’re on a Vermont foliage tour and he’s using the M-word.

8. Have Eyes-Open Orgasm: Make sure you’re looking right into his eyes when he cums; and when you cum too. Do it often. You'll be amazed at the intimacy and bonding you create.

9. Don’t force it. Make sure he’s really the right one. If it’s easy and fun; if 1+1 = more than 2. If he’s really the person you want to spend your life with, and you’re the person who makes his days fascinating and worthwhile, then go for it. Otherwise, well, for a woman like you, there’re another three guys around the corner. Slam—whoosh (sound of an airlock shooting junk into deep space) Next please!

10. Take control. Relationships don’t just happen. Responsibility is NOT 50/50. It’s 100% on you. You’re not a victim. You are powerful and sexy. Now you GO!

11. Be confident. Be cool. Take care of your own feelings; let him work out his. The more he feels that you're a great thing in his life, the less anything else matters.

Or, you can just feed him a poison him that requires a weekly antidote...