BrendaQG
07-28-2007, 11:45 PM
CULTURE.
This actuall occured to me a few days ago. In a discussion that was sort of about this. (see The Trials and Tribulations of a TS Trucker : by Chef Mike (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=23152&highlight=), andThe right way to transition after 25 : by Vicky Richter (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=23191&highlight=))
Someone wrote about the reason that some people waited untill 40 as being that they did not have the intenret and without the internet it was impossible to transition young.... I wrote that i agreed that reason for wating was BS. Then I wrote someting like " Before the internet a young boy who wanted to grow up to be a woman would meet an older transsexual either because they either looked for one or by accident. That person would then teach them what they needed to do etc. etc. You know "mother" them.
To some extent or the other that happens to almost all younger transsexuals. For some people the mother is part of an alternative family for others, especially these days, you may never meet the mother figure in person (you know them from the internet). Never the less they are there. They teach you certain facts, and values. They socialize you into a subculture through with you can grow into a TS woman. This is a culture that really values passing, and attractiveness. A culture for which SRS is perhaps a bonus. A nice thing to have had but not the point of being a transsexual.
For transsexuals who transtioned when they themselves were older. (say they had their first hormones or first time out in womens dress at like 30 or 40) that is not the case. For what ever reason, perhaps just luck, they never make contact with such a person. I will not speculate on that right now. They grow for a long time and are socialized into the mainstream as a male. They learn ways to act, dress walk, talk, etc that are not helpful in a transsexuals life. Then when they finally can't take it anymore they find a different culture. A culture of transsexuals that is differnt from ours. A culture that values the notion of being a "real woman" as they have defined it. A culture in which there is a strong sense of stratification along lines of surgical status where SRS is the op. The op is the end all and be all of being a transsexual. As one said to me "the magic of SRS will make me a real woman exactly like my mother or sister. A culture where passing and attractiveness are seen as privillages that are granted (not goals that can be worked at).
These cultures are at odds because they have different values. No different than two different cultures that don't like each other. Like the Soviet Unuion and the USA.
Mystery solved.
Edited for clarity and to add: I couls write a book hundreds of pages long and not really be able to express all of the complexity of this topic. Describing both of these cultures in detail and then comparing and contrasting them. Such a project would take years.
This actuall occured to me a few days ago. In a discussion that was sort of about this. (see The Trials and Tribulations of a TS Trucker : by Chef Mike (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=23152&highlight=), andThe right way to transition after 25 : by Vicky Richter (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=23191&highlight=))
Someone wrote about the reason that some people waited untill 40 as being that they did not have the intenret and without the internet it was impossible to transition young.... I wrote that i agreed that reason for wating was BS. Then I wrote someting like " Before the internet a young boy who wanted to grow up to be a woman would meet an older transsexual either because they either looked for one or by accident. That person would then teach them what they needed to do etc. etc. You know "mother" them.
To some extent or the other that happens to almost all younger transsexuals. For some people the mother is part of an alternative family for others, especially these days, you may never meet the mother figure in person (you know them from the internet). Never the less they are there. They teach you certain facts, and values. They socialize you into a subculture through with you can grow into a TS woman. This is a culture that really values passing, and attractiveness. A culture for which SRS is perhaps a bonus. A nice thing to have had but not the point of being a transsexual.
For transsexuals who transtioned when they themselves were older. (say they had their first hormones or first time out in womens dress at like 30 or 40) that is not the case. For what ever reason, perhaps just luck, they never make contact with such a person. I will not speculate on that right now. They grow for a long time and are socialized into the mainstream as a male. They learn ways to act, dress walk, talk, etc that are not helpful in a transsexuals life. Then when they finally can't take it anymore they find a different culture. A culture of transsexuals that is differnt from ours. A culture that values the notion of being a "real woman" as they have defined it. A culture in which there is a strong sense of stratification along lines of surgical status where SRS is the op. The op is the end all and be all of being a transsexual. As one said to me "the magic of SRS will make me a real woman exactly like my mother or sister. A culture where passing and attractiveness are seen as privillages that are granted (not goals that can be worked at).
These cultures are at odds because they have different values. No different than two different cultures that don't like each other. Like the Soviet Unuion and the USA.
Mystery solved.
Edited for clarity and to add: I couls write a book hundreds of pages long and not really be able to express all of the complexity of this topic. Describing both of these cultures in detail and then comparing and contrasting them. Such a project would take years.