Why are Guys Into Trans?

[irishgirl]

So, I've just started seeing a man who is into trans women. He's really awesome and amazing and good looking and sweet - but I'm still kind of freaked out that he's into transgirls. Cause' it seems most people into trans girls, want to get topped by them , or at least like, give them a BJ, and I have no interest in any boy touching my bits. We've had sex once, and he was good and didn't show any interest in that part of me, and maybe he's geninuinly not interested in playing with it, which would be cool.

So, like, are any of you guys into trans girls "just cause" and not because you want to play with thier penis'?

Thanks for the input.

And so you'll actually comment, here's a cute pic of me from last night.


http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e258/banof1983/DSCN0990-1.jpg

[Trans_Lover]

irishgirl.... i'd eat you! guys like t-girls cuz they look like girls but have a dick

[irishgirl]

irishgirl.... i'd eat you! guys like t-girls cuz they look like girls but have a dick


What i'm getting at is, does that mean they also are attracted to the penis? Or can it also be the taboo of it all, or whatever else.

[Quinn]

So, like, are any of you guys into trans girls "just cause" and not because you want to play with thier penis'?

Thanks for the input.

Most guys here do want to get topped by transsexual women, but that definitely does not go for all of us. There are plenty who don't really care about the "bits" one way or the other. Speaking for myself, I date both Transsexual women and GGs. I top only and have no interst whatsoever in being topped.

So why date a transsexual woman when I can date a GG? Why not? To be honest though, I enjoy anal sex and find it to be far less of an issue when dating transsexual women than with GGs. Don't get me wrong, it's far from the only consideration, but it's in there somewhere. Hope this helps answer your question. I'm sure other guys will have plenty to add as well.

-Quinn

[legman]

Listen girlfriend, guys like me are into t-girls for the following reason(s),
We love the beauty and sensuality of a woman's body and soft, feminine features-to be a stunner like Salma Hayek. Imagine that, but with a functional cock! The fact is, yes to a degree we are attracted to the penis, but only if it's attached to our image of beauty as described above. We are not interested in men in any way. Look, I liked being topped and love to give head, ONLY if that dick is attached to a beautiful girl.

[shutheight]

Expecting your partner to stay away from what most others consider an erogenous zone may prove difficult.

It might be wise to communicate your boundaries and express your feelings about your privates beforehand. You will be more likely to find an agreeable match.

[mbf]

i dont know why "men are into trans", i can only speak from my perspective. and just like the cliche of the bladening, fattening "tranny chaser" (untrue as the self-pic threads here show...) ure about to readjust your opinions. i think my case doesnt stand alone.

i got drawn into the t-thing due to my love of anal sex. as the penetrator. as the fucker, not the fuckee.

with natural born women its always a hassle - many wont do anal, or think ure weird or - god forbid - GAY. with t-girls anal sex is the default setting -if actual penetration is desired. yes, not the most romantic approach but nevertheless thats the deal - at least with me and i am sure many others.

what i dont understand is, why does it freak you out that he likes ts??? be happy that you found a nice guy

[irishgirl]

Expecting your partner to stay away from what most others consider an erogenous zone may prove difficult.

It might be wise to communicate your boundaries and express your feelings about your privates beforehand. You will be more likely to find an agreeable match.

But if i say that to start out, even if he was into that sort of thing, he would lie to get into my pants.

[Nooksack]

I agree with legman completely. I have no interest at all in men, but a beautiful woman with a nice cock? I guess for me it's the novelty of having a woman who has lots of options. In my opinion, sex should be experienced from both sides to get the most pleasure, both dominant and submissive, so I happen to like it when a girl takes control sometimes... just seems that ladies with a little extra are litte better at it =P.

[tgirlzoe]

... because you're incredibly cute and smart!


love you babe!

[shutheight]

Expecting your partner to stay away from what most others consider an erogenous zone may prove difficult.

It might be wise to communicate your boundaries and express your feelings about your privates beforehand. You will be more likely to find an agreeable match.

But if i say that to start out, even if he was into that sort of thing, he would lie to get into my pants.

Well, I'm not saying that you sit down every guy you meet and give him the "my penis is not ready for prime time" warning. 'Cause then you are right -- you'd get lied to a lot.

OK. Set aside the "why guys are attracted" part. I don't have a clue on that one.

I guess what I was trying to say is that if you meet someone and sense mutual attraction, it would be important that the both of you talk about your likes and dislikes. [edit:] Most likely, he'll be the one to telegraph what he is looking for sexually.

Maybe after you meet someone special and become truly intimate, you may be more open to him enjoying your privates. Maybe not. Maybe you will find a guy who is right in line with your current feelings. Maybe not. Maybe SRS is the answer. Maybe not.

But, I do think you can find someone special that will respect your desires. Not all guys that like transsexual women are goo gobblers.

[werwt22]

Hmmm..... Sounds like your more worried about your guy being a "sissy" as opposed to a "man's man" than anything else. For myself trans women are like all women with 1 different feature. Plus something about them oozes sex appeal to me so I'm attracted naturally just like I am to a woman with a nice chest, booty, or figure. Being topped is a no go for me but eventually I'd be more open to pleasing my partner if that's what she truly wanted further into the relationship GG or TS. Don't make more of the situation than it really is IMO. He pleases you and you seem to enjoy his company so run with it.

[voy4her]

irishgirl.... i'd eat you! guys like t-girls cuz they look like girls but have a dick


What i'm getting at is, does that mean they also are attracted to the penis? Or can it also be the taboo of it all, or whatever else.

for me its just a crazy feeling i get, like major butterflies. I feel aroused and yet confused, they're so beautiful but they're not what they seem and i shouldn't feel like that...and i get ridiculously hard.
Im also turned on by the power reversal, and the fact that she is giving it up in submission to me... maybe none of this makes sense..

And im not interested in being topped. But i would like for my partner to come, so if she wanted some manual stimulation id be ok with it.

I pass no judgments on it, and i don't consider myself even bi because i dont find men interesting or attractive.

[62des]

I just know I'm gonna get flamed like hell but here goes. I'm one of the guys that likes tgirls because their girls but what excites me is that I get to have anal sex with her which MOST GG's do not go for. I don't like tgirls because of the penis. I'll never allow myself to be topped so that's completely out of the question. I forgot to add that I'm so intrigued by their feminine beauty, not to mention my fetish for skirts and high heels, my horny level goes up and I'm too horny to give a damn if she's pre-op. But if I can see any trace of her looking like a man then that one's not for me.

[tgirlzoe]

Penises are just easier:
One guy I am friends with online said that he prefers tgirls over GGs because vaginas creep him out (it's true, they are kinda weird and scary).

More female than female:
Other guys like tgirls because they're not less but more than other girls. We are attracted to individuals, of course, but also broad ideas about gender and what we look for in a person. One of those things is gender. I like men. I like men who are men and have an interest in actively being men. The same goes for men who are attracted to women ~ they like women who want to be women. Androgyny may be all the rage but a lot of people aren't down with it, it can be kind of blah. We fought tooth and nail to be living as women because we had a strong gender identity. Some natal women actively embrace their femininity but many these days don't and I think a lot of guys miss that so tgirls, who are often more feminine than average (at least in the beginning*), fill that void.

Why can't a woman, be more like a man?
On the other hand, it's probably a fallacy, but there is the idea that since we were raised boys, we have a greater understanding of the male experience than a female would. Supposedly, we also give better blowjobs too because we have similar equipment ^_^

Exoticism:
You don't see transsexuals every day (well, depends on where you live LOL), it's something new and exciting and different and that's intriguing to some guys. Other than the prevalence of beautiful transsexuals from the Philippines and Brazil, I think exoticism contributes to their dominance in porn much in the same way as race works in mainstream porn. White girls almost seem a minority in TS porn though.

Dominance:
It's a fallacy that all men are tops and all women are bottoms. Female tops and male bottoms exist in heterosexual relationships as well as gay ones. Throughout history, the phallus has been seen as a symbol of power and control. A dominant woman who has a cock, especially a large one, is that much more symbolically in control than a woman without one. Straight couples do "role-reversal" with strap-ons more and more these days and they are both finding that they like to mix things up. We have a tool that is actually alive.

Crossdressers:
Some men don't only want to fuck tgirls, they want to be them but for whatever reason have chosen not to but often are crossdressers. If anyone remembers the "Gallery of Goddesses" website a few years back, if I remember right the author of the website had gone through a period of transition but had decided that it wasn't what he wanted but now is an admirer (no offense to the man if I'm confusing him with someone else). When they hire escorts, they want to be dressed up and made pretty more than they just want to fuck or be fucked.

Other types?
I'm probably missing a lot more guys who could be fairly easily put into a typology and I'm sure a lot of guys resent it but these are the things I've seen in my day. The important thing is that a guy loves and respects you and treats you like a woman, not like a fetish object.

~~~
* Some studies have shown that transsexual women start off self-describing on a number of attributes more feminine than the average woman but after several years, they end up more balanced and within the ranges of natal women.

[Odelay]

So, I've just started seeing a man who is into trans women. He's really awesome and amazing and good looking and sweet - but I'm still kind of freaked out that he's into transgirls. Cause' it seems most people into trans girls, want to get topped by them , or at least like, give them a BJ, and I have no interest in any boy touching my bits. We've had sex once, and he was good and didn't show any interest in that part of me, and maybe he's geninuinly not interested in playing with it, which would be cool.

So, like, are any of you guys into trans girls "just cause" and not because you want to play with thier penis'?

Thanks for the input.

I'm assuming you're a pre-op TS, correct? If so, you might want to proceed on to being a post-op very soon, so that you don't even have to think about whether a guy you're with is interested in your cock, or not.

As for your question... when it comes to love, I love the whole person. Loving certain parts or only certain aspects of my lover would never work for me. Prior to falling in love, though, I could well form a temporary obsession about a T-girl's cock. Hope that makes sense.

[62des]

I forgot to add that I've NEVER once seen a post on this forum that a tgirl was grossed out by sexual acts that men wanted to do with the tgirl. Meaning tgirls are way more open sexually. Like most women would be completely grossed out by the fact that a man would want to give her a rimjob even though its HER ass and probably wouldn't want to kiss tyou anymore. Also its rare for a tgirl not to want to give a blowjob.

[tgirlzoe]

I'm assuming you're a pre-op TS, correct? If so, you might want to proceed on to being a post-op very soon, so that you don't even have to think about whether a guy you're with is interested in your cock, or not.

I think that's ideal for a lot of TS women ~ to be normal girls dating normal guys. We just don't have $20,000 laying around ~ that's what porn and escorting is for. However, most of us aren't willing to hold off on dating until that time comes.


As for your question... when it comes to love, I love the whole person. Loving certain parts or only certain aspects of my lover would never work for me. Prior to falling in love, though, I could well form a temporary obsession about a T-girl's cock. Hope that makes sense.

Obviously initial attraction is different than love. But there's nothing wrong with, say, loving that your wife has an awesome ass in addition to your deeper attraction to her.

[tgirlzoe]

I forgot to add that I've NEVER once seen a post on this forum that a tgirl was grossed out by sexual acts that men wanted to do with the tgirl. Meaning tgirls are way more open sexually. Like most women would be completely grossed out by the fact that a man would want to give her a rimjob even though its HER ass and probably wouldn't want to kiss tyou anymore. Also its rare for a tgirl not to want to give a blowjob.

For the record, I don't think I'd be down with rimjobs either way, it's just gross. As for blowjobs though, I do love cock.

[irishgirl]

Yeh, this guy was very into anal and rimming. Rimming makes me uncomfotable - i just dont feel sexy in that way - maybe if i was straight out of the shower.

[tgirlzoe]

Yeh, this guy was very into anal and rimming. Rimming makes me uncomfotable - i just dont feel sexy in that way - maybe if i was straight out of the shower.

Just fart on him and he'll never do it again :-P

[tsntx]

oh i thought you were a woman and thats the only reason guys liked you?

not really trying to debate w/ you but if youre gonna claim "im not a ts im a woman" in other threads dont change your mind here.

carry on

[irishgirl]

oh i thought you were a woman and thats the only reason guys liked you?

not really trying to debate w/ you but if youre gonna claim "im not a ts im a woman" in other threads dont change your mind here.

carry on

I dont get the logic?

I am a woman... but there is still a lot of drama with finding a cool guy whose down with this whole crazy business. So, I found a cool hot guy who is down, and I'm giving it a shot. I am concerend about his motivations and stuff, so I'm just explorting that here.

I think he's a keeper, but it's still good to think things through.

Oh, and I didn't say I wasn't a ts. I just said that I was a woman. A woman who is TS. I'm of the opinion that TS' are women, not a weird third gender.

[tgirlzoe]

oh i thought you were a woman and thats the only reason guys liked you?

not really trying to debate w/ you but if youre gonna claim "im not a ts im a woman" in other threads dont change your mind here.

carry on

I know I didn't say "I'm not a TS, I'm a woman", I said that "TS" isn't a noun, it's an adjective (or I may have said that in the chat, I don't remember). Nikki's (Michael's?) whole "you are not a girl!" thing was what bothered me. Actually, wait... new thread.



Please only respond in this line of thought here: http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=22836

[mbf]

I am a woman... but there is still a lot of drama with finding a cool guy whose down with this whole crazy business. So, I found a cool hot guy who is down, and I'm giving it a shot. I am concerend about his motivations and stuff, so I'm just explorting that here.


oh, and what makes you think that straight guys are NOT after pussy - as probably their only motivation when sweet-talking to chicks?

[shutheight]

More female than female:
Other guys like tgirls because they're not less but more than other girls. We are attracted to individuals, of course, but also broad ideas about gender and what we look for in a person. One of those things is gender. I like men. I like men who are men and have an interest in actively being men. The same goes for men who are attracted to women ~ they like women who want to be women. Androgyny may be all the rage but a lot of people aren't down with it, it can be kind of blah. We fought tooth and nail to be living as women because we had a strong gender identity. Some natal women actively embrace their femininity but many these days don't and I think a lot of guys miss that so tgirls, who are often more feminine than average (at least in the beginning*), fill that void.

Why can't a woman, be more like a man?
On the other hand, it's probably a fallacy, but there is the idea that since we were raised boys, we have a greater understanding of the male experience than a female would. Supposedly, we also give better blowjobs too because we have similar equipment ^_^

Exoticism:
You don't see transsexuals every day (well, depends on where you live LOL), it's something new and exciting and different and that's intriguing to some guys. Other than the prevalence of beautiful transsexuals from the Philippines and Brazil, I think exoticism contributes to their dominance in porn much in the same way as race works in mainstream porn. White girls almost seem a minority in TS porn though.

~~~
* Some studies have shown that transsexual women start off self-describing on a number of attributes more feminine than the average woman but after several years, they end up more balanced and within the ranges of natal women.

Reasons two through three sound pretty reasonable to me.

[TJT]

An extremely functional penis can kill the deal for me. It depends on the girl though.

If she likes a little mutual masturbation while we kiss and play,that's ok. So is stroking her there while we have sex. If I like her and she wants it,it's cool.

I have no interest in being screwed in the ass by a TS/TV/man or anything else with a dick. (Cute goats excluded)

[62des]

Yeh, this guy was very into anal and rimming. Rimming makes me uncomfotable - i just dont feel sexy in that way - maybe if i was straight out of the shower.

BUT OF COURSE! :lol: Who's gonna lick a girl's ass when its not clean?! :lol: I agree with TJT I'll give her a little stimulation down there but don't even think about my ass.

[peggygee]

Penises are just easier:
One guy I am friends with online said that he prefers tgirls over GGs because vaginas creep him out .....

More female than female:
Other guys like tgirls because they're not less but more than other girls. .....

Why can't a woman, be more like a man?
On the other hand, it's probably a fallacy, but there is the idea that since we were raised boys, we have a greater understanding of the male experience than a female would.

Supposedly, we also give better blowjobs too because we have similar equipment ^_^

Exoticism:
You don't see transsexuals every day (well, depends on where you live LOL), it's something new and exciting and different and that's intriguing to some guys. .....

Dominance:
It's a fallacy that all men are tops and all women are bottoms. Female tops and male bottoms .....

Crossdressers:
Some men don't only want to fuck tgirls, they want to be them but for whatever reason have chosen not to but often are crossdressers. If anyone remembers....



In my life, I've been in a fair number of LTRs, quite a few short term
relationships. In the overwhelming majority none of the men involved
wanted me to be the penetrative partner. I believe much of that is due
to the angst that my penis caused me, that I have spoken about so often.

Some of the men that I have been involved with had been with other
transwomen, some had not. In all of the relationships that I was in, I
either verbally told my partners or through my body lanquage conveyed
that I preferred to be the passive partner sexually.

I have heard the theories that you have put forth here, and in many
instances they will be true.

The one about men fearing the vagina rings true. Most men are not
very knowledgeable of female anatomy and the vagina is a source of
mystery to them, maybe that's where some of the anti post op sentiment
comes from with the tgirl enthusiast.

Interestingly men who aren't into the pre op experience may be open to the post op. :shrug

More female than female:: There are many transwomen who ooze
sensuality, they are hypersexual in their dress and demeanor. This can
be a good thing or a bad thing, particularly if the woman is trying to blend.

Why can't a woman, be more like a man?: I believe the longer a
woman is in her adopted gender, the more she will take on the
characteristics of that gender. I do believe though, she may have the
home court advantage when it comes to knowing how to rock a mans
world, at least to a certain extent, because of her herstory.

Exoticism:: That may pique a mans interest, but it won't keep him
around when the novelty wears off.

For that it takes chemistry, personality, and working on the relationship.

[rick_932]

i'll date a ts woman just as if id date a GG. i dont focus on just dating one group. im not completely focused on if a girl has a dick or not, i really dont care. i dont suck or receive dick, and have no desire to. so im into trans girls just the way im into GG: looks, personality, and all the other good stuff that comes with the package

so why are guys into trans? i think for most its the fantasy and reality of sucking the dick of or receiving anal from a ts woman. and for the rest, maybe they feel that a ts can relate more to a man's feelings, or she tries to be more feminine than GG and thats what attracts them, or other various reasons that i've heard from guys over the years. this is just my opinion

[NadiaUSA]

I think guys like TS because they are attracted to ultra feminine people. Plus having external sex organs is less stinky.

[D'yer Mak'er]

Listen girlfriend, guys like me are into t-girls for the following reason(s),
We love the beauty and sensuality of a woman's body and soft, feminine features-to be a stunner like Salma Hayek. Imagine that, but with a functional cock! The fact is, yes to a degree we are attracted to the penis, but only if it's attached to our image of beauty as described above. We are not interested in men in any way. Look, I liked being topped and love to give head, ONLY if that dick is attached to a beautiful girl.

I'd have to agree with this. I don't like the male form at all, but I'm also not particularly fond of most vagina. You take the best part of a woman (everything but the genitals), and the one interesting part of a man (the genitals), and it comes out as heaven.

[TomSelis]

I think guys like TS because they are attracted to ultra feminine people. Plus having external sex organs is less stinky.

FLAWLESS VICTORY!!!!!

:lol: 8)

[mbf]

well, what interests me is: how did u get to know prince charming in the first place?

[irishgirl]

well, what interests me is: how did u get to know prince charming in the first place?

Well I take it all back, doucebag stood me up tonite.

I've been officially played :-(.

I met him from a sweet ad he had on cl. It was like " Looking for a pretty passable tgirl to go on a date, and possibly a ltr if things click well"

[ToyBoy6669]

This topic has been posted a zillion times and it always makes me scratch my head...if a guy goes looking for a "Tgirl" (because this thread uses that term I'm using it) he is looking for the whole package, the breasts, penis, taboo, everything. If you go to a TS dating site, thats what you will find, guys looking for women with penis's (9 times outta 10 at least), thats what I was looking for when I had my first experience, I wasn't looking for a women I could only have anal sex with. If you want guys who want a women, you should perhaps "sell your self" as a women to men and not a TS, then if you feel the man trusts and loves you reveal your self to him later, I know many men who would be alright with it so long as they didn't have to be involved in the "other end" of it. The other side of that is that you should always be your self and “sell your self” or in perhaps better terms “portray your self” as a TS up front to save that awkward talk later.

I've always liked “Tgals” because of the entire package, then again it never made sense to me to order a hamburger with the works only to remove the pickle when it got to the table.

I guess the long and the short of it is that life is tuff and love is a battle field, your bound to have a few deserters.

[thompsonforsheriff]

Well...here goes my leap from lurker to poster...

I am gonna elaborate on tgirlzoe's crossdresser reason:

I can't tell you why all guys are into transsexuals, only myself. I think the term is somewhat controversial in psychology/science, but when I read it, I was sure it accurately described me, and it is autogynephilia. Which is the sexual arousal due to the thought of oneself as a woman. Well, not completely accurate, as it's not just the thought of oneself, but any male-to-female transperson. At one point in adolescence it made me slightly confused about which gender I should be(I think if I had transitioned I probably would've spent a large portion of my life in front of a mirror masturbating), but as soon as the sexual arousal is gone so is the desire to be a woman. Which is probably why some people get off on forced feminization stuff, crossdressing, etc...I experimented with crossdressing myself for a period but decided it's not for me. And the level of sexual arousal related to this seems to be higher than I can experience with genetic girls. I have no interest in being topped, and it's not just the penis that interests me. Just women who used to be men. So, this helped me to be quite a bit more open minded toward the transsexual population. I figure since I'm interested, the sexual aspect of it is so enticing(pre or postop doesn't matter), and transsexuals have a hard time finding decent guys(hope I'm not going to far in assuming this or that I'm a decent guy...must remain modest), why not pursue them? So that's my two cents. Can anyone else identify with this? Anyways, at this point I've only ever been with genetic girls, so the tgirl thing is only a dream/fantasy at this point.

Also, your are quite attractive in the pic you posted. That guy is stupid for passing you up.

[shutheight]

Well I take it all back, doucebag stood me up tonite.

Sorry to hear about that. He sounded like a promising prospect earlier.

[tgirlzoe]

like i told you earlier, he's an idiot.

[Kabuki]

He's an idiot if he stood you up love. As for why guys are into trans, I don't believe there's one reason behind it. The human brain is complicated, and I just go by physical attraction and personality. If you're a GG or TG, I need that mental and physical attraction. So, I'm not a chaser.

[NadiaUSA]

well, what interests me is: how did u get to know prince charming in the first place?

Well I take it all back, doucebag stood me up tonite.

I've been officially played :-(.

I met him from a sweet ad he had on cl. It was like " Looking for a pretty passable tgirl to go on a date, and possibly a ltr if things click well"

Craigs list strikes again. Why does anyone trust anyone on that site?

[tsntx]

well, what interests me is: how did u get to know prince charming in the first place?

Well I take it all back, doucebag stood me up tonite.

I've been officially played :-(.

I met him from a sweet ad he had on cl. It was like " Looking for a pretty passable tgirl to go on a date, and possibly a ltr if things click well"

lol thats the oldest trick in the book...

CL = hit it and quit it

[BrendaQG]

well, what interests me is: how did u get to know prince charming in the first place?

Well I take it all back, doucebag stood me up tonite.

I've been officially played :-(.

I met him from a sweet ad he had on cl. It was like " Looking for a pretty passable tgirl to go on a date, and possibly a ltr if things click well"

:-( Oh well to hell with him then. Did the jerk even give you a call and say why?

As far as I am concerned CL is only use is to "sell yourself", or that old car you want to get rid of.


My take on the topic is this. The majority of guys who are into transsexual women are looking for a total fantasy. They are looking for as it was put earlier..."Salma Hayek with a penis". Which I am sorry to say guys does not exist. Even a woman who could hope to approach that kind of a look does not wake up in the morning looking like Salma Hayek would. The difference between looking good as a transsexual and looking like John Leguzamo is not that large.

So what happens when you see them in the morning?

[irishgirl]

Well, with this dude it was real weird.

Cause we went on one date that was awesome, and then were both so excited that we met for a second date the next night, where we ended up staying the night with each other. But like the next morning he drove me home, had breakfeast with me at a neighborhood place, and then we texted back and forth all day. We talked on the phone at night, and this went on until Friday when he couldnt make it to a party he said he would go to (we were talking to each other via cell phone throughout the night - he had earlier mentioned he had a flat tire, and was driving on a donut, and then the car broked down). Anyways, on saturday at like 4pm we exchanged texts about when to meet - and that was the last I heard from him!!!

Like, if he was playing me that is an insane amount of energy and lying to go through, unless your a sociopath - which is a possibility. Also i suppose when we talked on the phone he could have been using that as a like, reminder back to the fantasy of being with a T-Girl, but not something he wants to be with.

Anyways, whatever, I had my fun too so I will try and not feel like too much of an asshole.

[irishgirl]

and then were both so excited that we met for a second date the next night, where we ended up staying the night with each other.

And how long have you known him for?

Eh, met him on CL on the weekend :?

[SteamMillenia]

Sounds like he just got cold feet. He kept making up excuses until he couldn't come up with anymore, then just disappeared.

[mbf]

My take on the topic is this. The majority of guys who are into transsexual women are looking for a total fantasy. They are looking for as it was put earlier..."Salma Hayek with a penis". Which I am sorry to say guys does not exist. Even a woman who could hope to approach that kind of a look does not wake up in the morning looking like Salma Hayek would. The difference between looking good as a transsexual and looking like John Leguzamo is not that large.

So what happens when you see them in the morning?

hmmm is that "fantasy" thing not universal and far from beeing a speciality in the t-realm? i mean dont fancy guys in camp-str8 women like marilyin Monroe, Pam Anderson, Lucy Liu, Halle Barry.....and women would be with Brad Pitt, Keanu Reeves , Wesley Snipes ....(insert name of the flavor of the month sex symbol here...........)? in other words, totally unaccessable people in very short supply?

however, for many if not the majority of guys transexuals are a phantasy, and a relationship with a t takes some huge balls not everybody comes equipped with.

yes, we ALL look s*** in the morning (i do)

[daltx_m]

i got drawn into the t-thing due to my love of anal sex. as the penetrator. as the fucker, not the fuckee.

with natural born women its always a hassle - many wont do anal, or think ure weird or - god forbid - GAY. with t-girls anal sex is the default setting -if actual penetration is desired. yes, not the most romantic approach but nevertheless thats the deal - at least with me and i am sure many others.


I think that summed it up nicely from the sex point of view. And I would definately tap Irishgirl.

[midatlanticphoto]

Well, with this dude it was real weird.

Cause we went on one date that was awesome, and then were both so excited that we met for a second date the next night, where we ended up staying the night with each other. But like the next morning he drove me home, had breakfeast with me at a neighborhood place, and then we texted back and forth all day. We talked on the phone at night, and this went on until Friday when he couldnt make it to a party he said he would go to (we were talking to each other via cell phone throughout the night - he had earlier mentioned he had a flat tire, and was driving on a donut, and then the car broked down). Anyways, on saturday at like 4pm we exchanged texts about when to meet - and that was the last I heard from him!!!

Like, if he was playing me that is an insane amount of energy and lying to go through, unless your a sociopath - which is a possibility. Also i suppose when we talked on the phone he could have been using that as a like, reminder back to the fantasy of being with a T-Girl, but not something he wants to be with.

Anyways, whatever, I had my fun too so I will try and not feel like too much of an asshole.

It happens, even to guys. I met a girl on CL that seemed to have everything right. After 2 weeks of emails and texts, we finally met. Great chemistry....yada yada. After sleeping with her a couple of times, things seemed great. Then it was like she fell off the face of the planet. Later I found out she was married and had 3 kids. It seemed like a lot of work just to get laid a couple of times.

I'll just blame it on our consumer society. We are use to just buying without thinking, knowing that we can just take it back without any consequence. To bad there's always consequence involved when it comes to people.

[neuromancer]

i spent 10th grade living with trans punks, goths, hustlers, junkies and prostitute strippers in the many LA punk squats of the 90s.

The Tgirls were always totally off the hook and the most fun to be around. Never a dull night running around hollywood with them creating drunk chaos.

The bands they were in were also notorious for getting arrested during shows for indecent exposure but none of them gave a fuck and kept doing it. In my 16 year-old mind, that was the punkest thing ever.

speaking of trans bands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI85hy5U32s

[Tomfurbs]

Cool vid

[Jericho]

So what happens when you see them in the morning?


You kick 'em out of bed and go back to sleep until they've got their shit together! :P

























Just Joking. Before someone takes it seriously!

[BrendaQG]

That's real thoughtful of you.

[downblow]

So, I've just started seeing a man who is into trans women. He's really awesome and amazing and good looking and sweet - but I'm still kind of freaked out that he's into transgirls. Cause' it seems most people into trans girls, want to get topped by them , or at least like, give them a BJ, and I have no interest in any boy touching my bits. We've had sex once, and he was good and didn't show any interest in that part of me, and maybe he's geninuinly not interested in playing with it, which would be cool.

So, like, are any of you guys into trans girls "just cause" and not because you want to play with thier penis'?

Thanks for the input.

And so you'll actually comment, here's a cute pic of me from last night.


http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e258/banof1983/DSCN0990-1.jpg


I can't speak for all men, but in my case i really enjoy the emotional/intellectual side of transexuals. I don't have any interest in being topped by them but i don't mind giving oral. My interest started when i actually got the nerve to talk with a young transexual one night. I always was attracted to transexual women mainly because they look so much like GG's, but once i started talking with them and learning how intelligent, kind, considerate and logical they are. Well right then i realized no GG could ever be better than a transexual woman for me. Giving oral doesn't turn me on but if that's what i have to do to be with a perfect lady then so be it.

[peggygee]

[the jerk even give you a call and say why?

As far as I am concerned CL only use is to "sell ...", ... that old car you want to get rid of.




I gotta admit, at this point in time I would be quite leery about
either buying or selling a car on CL, let alone meeting someone
off of there.

[whatsupwithat]

i spent 10th grade living with trans punks, goths, hustlers, junkies and prostitute strippers in the many LA punk squats of the 90s.

The Tgirls were always totally off the hook and the most fun to be around. Never a dull night running around hollywood with them creating drunk chaos.

The bands they were in were also notorious for getting arrested during shows for indecent exposure but none of them gave a fuck and kept doing it. In my 16 year-old mind, that was the punkest thing ever.

speaking of trans bands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI85hy5U32s

"Where the Day Takes You"

I was your NYC equivalent on and off. On and off.

[whatsupwithat]

Oh. And the question? I gave up trying to answer for my sexuality years ago. So, why? I just do. I was 15 when I knew for sure. Do people ask straight people and gay people why they're straight or gay?

[yodajazz]

I think there have been some honest responses from the men who responded to this thread. They are all right in how they feel. But I must say this: You would be better off to draw no conclusion than to think you have the answer of why. There is infinite variety of human sexually. The problem is once you draw a conclusion of what men want, you are going to miss that exception to the rule. If you are looking for a relationship missing that one is really missing the boat.

You can’t even draw a conclusion for any one man, because the same man can have different types of relationships depending on the woman. For one woman he’s only interested in sex. Then he meets another woman and says, “I want to spend the rest of my life with this woman.” It’s the same man. So if you can't draw a conclusion from one man, how can you define what a group of men are like?

Let’s take a hypothetical situation. A man likes to bottom for ts women, but he likes gg’s. He meets a pre-op woman, but she really wants to have the full op. She would usually draw the conclusion, that if he wants to bottom, he would not like her once she goes post op. But the reality is that he already likes women who are not pre-op. If he really loves the pre woman and she becomes a post woman, they still could find ways to play, or he might even decide to give up that aspect of his sexuality for the sake of love.

If you draw a conclusion about what a man wants, that does not take into account, that he could change over time. Most men would love to have a variety of women, but they give up that for the sake of love, for extended periods of time, and sometimes ‘forever’. And I would say that is the majority of all men, because a majority will eventually get married.

The best any woman can do is to figure out what she ultimately wants. Don’t rule out a man who does not have everything you want at first. He might come to love you enough that he will give you almost everything. Love will do that to a man.

[TJT]

John Leguizamo didn't look too bad in "Wong Foo". I've woke up beside worse.

Here's a little something on men. Most men would fuck a bucket of warm crap if they were horny and thought it would feel good. Don't believe anything a horny guy tells you,especially one under 30.

[hwbs]

i have had a few ltr with ts and i dont think i cant give you guys a concrete answer why i date ts girls ..its not something i think about..its just something i just do..

[Dk2K4]

Listen girlfriend, guys like me are into t-girls for the following reason(s),
We love the beauty and sensuality of a woman's body and soft, feminine features-to be a stunner like Salma Hayek. Imagine that, but with a functional cock! The fact is, yes to a degree we are attracted to the penis, but only if it's attached to our image of beauty as described above. We are not interested in men in any way.

I agree with this completely. This is what drew me in... And has kept me for so many years...

[phxguy]

I'm into TSs because I love women but also I love cock.

[flabbybody]

I'm unsure if I've ever made a gg come from just me fucking her. They pant and make sounds, but how do you know if they're bullshiting just to get you to finish? (I think my last gf did this). just one of the advantages of t's.

[rawtape]

I can only only speak for myself and not other men. I've dated both TS and genetic women. It simply wasn't a case of preferring one over the other -- I was in the SF Bay Area then, and if a lady was both charming and interested in you, and you weren't seeing anyone else at the time, then you simply dated her, regardless of whether she might have been born with a penis or a vagina.

That said, I'm a top, and a penis on a pre-op woman does nothing for me. I do like sodomizing women though, and for obvious reasons, have found it easier with transsexual women.

[62des]

John Leguizamo didn't look too bad in "Wong Foo". I've woke up beside worse.

Here's a little something on men. Most men would fuck a bucket of warm crap if they were horny and thought it would feel good. Don't believe anything a horny guy tells you,especially one under 30.

My GOD. He pretty much just said the best reason there is possible. Tranny or not you grind on him and get him hard all he hears is himself having an orgasm. Oh, but make sure you're wearing silk, that'll have a better shot. :lol:

[crayons]

i think it's okay if a guy doesn't know a girl is a ts and they hook up and somewhere down the road she tells him and he goes "oh, well, it's fine with me. i mean, i fell in love you because of who you are not because you have a cock"
to me that seems like the guy loves the girl for who she is. but when guys are systematically looking for a girl with a cock, actually ruling out specific girls for whatever reason (oh she doesn't look like nerfititi or damn, that girl looks like christina aguilera only which a dick like rocco siffredi) then you have to wonder exactly where the line is drawn as to straight, bi and gay. i know everyone likes to use the excuse "I am what i feel or whatever i say" but thats bullshit. there needs to be a standard otherwise everyone is fucking normal and that doesn't make sense.

today i was watching maury and he had his usual "i used to be an ugly ducking but now i'm so hot" and everyone who had changed looked like a hooker. I think we have lost focus on what looks sexy. why couldn't they have one where someone comes out and says "i used to be ugly, but now i'm the CEO of BMW america, not to mention i have a wife of 12 years and 3 kids with scholarships to cambridge university. oh and my daughter just finished a masters thesis in biochemistry."

Does looking like a whore now count as being sex?

[jniowa]

I'm in trans women simply because I'm attracted to trans women. Maybe beucasue its supposed to be taboo or whatever I don't know. I'm just attracted to them. Its like saying I like blonds or red heads, no real reason. At least this is true for me, I can't speak for others.

[62des]

i think it's okay if a guy doesn't know a girl is a ts and they hook up and somewhere down the road she tells him and he goes "oh, well, it's fine with me. i mean, i fell in love you because of who you are not because you have a cock"
to me that seems like the guy loves the girl for who she is. but when guys are systematically looking for a girl with a cock, actually ruling out specific girls for whatever reason (oh she doesn't look like nerfititi or damn, that girl looks like christina aguilera only which a dick like rocco siffredi) then you have to wonder exactly where the line is drawn as to straight, bi and gay. i know everyone likes to use the excuse "I am what i feel or whatever i say" but thats bullshit. there needs to be a standard otherwise everyone is fucking normal and that doesn't make sense.

today i was watching maury and he had his usual "i used to be an ugly ducking but now i'm so hot" and everyone who had changed looked like a hooker. I think we have lost focus on what looks sexy. why couldn't they have one where someone comes out and says "i used to be ugly, but now i'm the CEO of BMW america, not to mention i have a wife of 12 years and 3 kids with scholarships to cambridge university. oh and my daughter just finished a masters thesis in biochemistry."

Does looking like a whore now count as being sex?

I agree on both things. When I look at tgirls I look at their femininity and level of attractiveness and I'm not really into what type of penis she has because that doesn't really interest me but will pleasure her only because well, how else will she have an orgasm? I think some guys here are just too hung up on the whole girl with a penis thing. I'm only interested in bottom girls because I don't like the idea of being topped. But ultimately I think what's more interesting about transwomen that are pre-op, is that there's no way to fake an orgasm and not hard AT ALL to please them. But I'm still a tranny virgin. Not too eager about paying those eros prices for just an hour of fun. I'd rather see if I can get lucky enough and find a dime in the bar or something. Maybe when I get more money. About Maury, I also think that too many of them comes out in stripper clothes and bragging about breats implants and what not. There are plenty of things that are "Classy but sexy" that would leave a little to imagine about.

[peggygee]

It's the dick, it's the dick...

Please baby baby bady, please baby baby girl...

Can I suck your.... :peanutbutter

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/SHES_GOTTA_HAVE_IT5x4.jpg

:roll:

[mbf]

I'm unsure if I've ever made a gg come from just me fucking her. They pant and make sounds, but how do you know if they're bullshiting just to get you to finish? (I think my last gf did this). just one of the advantages of t's.

hell, i am a guy and i have faked orgasms (occasionally....) so...

[62des]

I've heard that a lot of guys faked orgasms but for a TG you'd have to be dumb as hell if you go along with it. Just look for the sperm. For GG's you have nothing to look for.

[yodajazz]

i think it's okay if a guy doesn't know a girl is a ts and they hook up and somewhere down the road she tells him and he goes "oh, well, it's fine with me. i mean, i fell in love you because of who you are not because you have a cock"


I disagree with this part. I have heard this view expressed many times. I think this does not take into account that most men are attracted to women for there physical qualities. After their attraction, they may get to know them and develope a loving relationship. So a ts women should not rule out men who are attracted to their cock as well as the rest of them. A man who does not know they are ts will still be attracted to their physical qualities. Straight men are going after women for what's between their legs too.

I do agree that some are too obsessed with one part, but every man who is attracted to ts women should not be ruled out. Now that I look at your statement above, I think that any man who has a ltr with a transwoman would also say exactly what you have said: "I fell in love you because of who you are not because you have a cock".

Any kind of physical attraction can lead to love, though most don't.

[BlackAdder]

and I have no interest in any boy touching my bits.


You have serious issues.

[mofungo]

I prefer active M to F transsexuals for a few reasons.

First, I love the female form. That is, I like the round butt, titties, and femininity, however, I don't like vagina; I find it rather gross. Having had countless GG partners (mostly short-term), the benefits of the boobs and (varying degrees of) femininity, don't outweigh the presence of the slimy stink-hole.

Second, it's not that I love penis, as I don't find men attractive. But if my female partner has an active penis, so be it. I'm gonna do what I can to give her the pleasure she gives me. If that means a BJ or being a bottom for her, then I figure fair's fair; If I'm going to fuck her sweet arse, then she should get to have her fun too... and some TGs I've been with have done me, and made it feel great (I believe that's why men are born with a prostate -- the female equivalent of a g-spot).

Third, in my experiences I have noticed that most GGs are affected by hormones (brought on by menstruation) for between one and two weeks. This is a large amount of time for a guy to 'adjust' to mood alterations. Now I'm not saying that TGs aren't affected by hormones, but their affect (from my experience) seems more predictable, and a lot easier to live with.

[mbf]

all those TS i personally know have a great sense of whats fashionable, what does look good.

i am more a geekish-type personally and so i am absolutley NON-fashion savvy.

BUT a little shopping trip with one of em and ull look like a totally different guy :)

theyll just pick the shirts and pants which will bring out the hottie in you :wink:

[Dkg]

He's an idiot if he stood you up love. As for why guys are into trans, I don't believe there's one reason behind it. The human brain is complicated, and I just go by physical attraction and personality. If you're a GG or TG, I need that mental and physical attraction. So, I'm not a chaser.

qft

Likewise

[Trogdor]

Well, the ones I know are ALOT more feminen and take care of themselves ALOT better than the GG's I know. Most GG's where I am, after 22, get a gut and become total slobs. It's like having a bunch of guys moaping around.

[Trogdor]

Here's a little something on men. Most men would fuck a bucket of warm crap if they were horny and thought it would feel good. Don't believe anything a horny guy tells you,especially one under 30.

Most, but not all. I am 27, and where I live, 9 out 10 girls are slobs, cow queens and just total train wrecks. And I would not touch any of them with a 10 foot pole. I would not have girl problems if I did go with the "I'll fuck anything" mentality otherwise. :P

[TJT]

It's the dick, it's the dick...

Please baby baby bady, please baby baby girl...

Can I suck your.... :peanutbutter

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/SHES_GOTTA_HAVE_IT5x4.jpg

:roll:

I miss Mars Blackmon.

[LG]

I don't know the answer, but d'you know what? I don't think it's such a useful question to ask, actually. Genetic girls don't ask guys why they like them. True, maybe it's because they all expect us to say "Because you got the titties and we just want to get laid!", but in fact it's more complicated than that. Or perhaps less complicated. Maybe it really is just chemistry and the wiring in our brains. Maybe its pheromones.

So my own answer would be: I don't know. I do know that in my case it ain't just the dick (although that was the greatest part the initial attraction when I first laid eyes on TSs) because I also like post-ops and genetic girls as well as pre-ops. Perhaps it's because it's something different or maybe it's because transwomen make more of an effort at being feminine...I don't know and it's not important. I think once you start analysing something like that you end up arguing round in circles.

What I do know is that consider myself versatile, but always thought that a 69 was a two-way process (and I aim to please). So if I am with a pre-op TS who likes to use her penis, then, by all means, she can use it on me as she pleases. But if she'd rather not, that's cool too. I'd never push a girl to do something she didn't want to do.

I don't think it's useful that some girls brand guys as "chasers" for merely being interested in them. Look at it this way: you're a girl (pre-op, post-op, whatever, it don't matter to me) and I am a guy. And we like each other. I would think that's a match made in heaven.

So if a girl and a guy are compatible (and this includes being sexually compatible, because any guy who is a strict bottom probably won't get along too well with a girl who would rather not have to touch her penis, let alone use it), then you're halfway there.

All you need is mutual respect. That, apart from sexual attraction, is the basic building block of any relationship. If the attraction is there and both are happy with it, why analyse? We should just be happy to have found each other.

Of course there will always be the guys who give us a bad name and force the girls to become wary and defensive. These are the assholes who want to use the girls, often married men who want to have some fun on the side without their wife's agreement, and guys so ashamed of how they feel that they want to keep the girl as their dirty little secret. There will always be guys who want to find 'em, fuck 'em and forget 'em, and the girls have to be wary of that. There are beaters and cheaters who hurt the girls physically or emotionally. But by pigeonholing all the guys together, girls lose out in the end and so do the many decent men who aren't even given a chance. Companionship and love are hard to find in this world. If you find it and you know it's real, there's no need to question its whys and wherefores.

If you can find the right person, if the two of you click, if it's real and honest, if there's mutual respect and trust between you, why does it matter what attracted you to that person in the first place?

[Jericho]

If you can find the right person, if the two of you click, if it's real and honest, if there's mutual respect and trust between you, why does it matter what attracted you to that person in the first place?

Well said, LG, that sums it up to a T.

[mph]

LG is my new hero.

[62des]

Wow LG that's deep. Very good point brought up. Why label someone as a "chaser", just thinking about it sounds really stupid. Would they rather a guy not be interested in TG's which would give them zero chance of ever being with that person. Instead some try to decieve guys that wouldn't normally be interested just to hope that they eventually come around. I call that total denial.

[eagleman12]

because there hole is tighter :)

[LG]

LG is my new hero.

LOL. Thank you :D

Glad to see there are a handful of people who see things my way. I was afraid I had gone off on a rant, again. :)

[62des]

because there hole is tighter :)

lol But if the guy's straight he's not gonna bottom for her unless he was a little funny to start with.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Why would you want to potentially fuck up an apparently "Good Thing", by overanalizing it. Shut the fuck up, and enjoy the moment!!! You fuckin' women are all alike!

[zukkobaby]

So, I've just started seeing a man who is into trans women. He's really awesome and amazing and good looking and sweet - but I'm still kind of freaked out that he's into transgirls. Cause' it seems most people into trans girls, want to get topped by them , or at least like, give them a BJ, and I have no interest in any boy touching my bits. We've had sex once, and he was good and didn't show any interest in that part of me, and maybe he's geninuinly not interested in playing with it, which would be cool.

So, like, are any of you guys into trans girls "just cause" and not because you want to play with thier penis'?

Thanks for the input.

And so you'll actually comment, here's a cute pic of me from last night.


http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e258/banof1983/DSCN0990-1.jpg

1. For some reason your photo link stopped working. I did manage to follow the folder link to photobucket. You are very pretty, you should have no trouble finding a guy who likes you and is willing to listen to your boundaries.

2. In my opinion, while my preference is not to be topped, I do like being able to experience a tg's equipment IF she enjoys that. Back in college I met 2 gurls, one from Canada that I chatted with for months, although we never met in person, I was so attracted to her personality that I was convinced that if we did date I would never break her trust and touch her dick. The other girl we did meet in person, it didn't go for long also because of distance, she was St. Louis I'm KC. Not only did she not want her dick to be touched, she also saw anal sex as disgusting and essentially wanted to plan on no sex until she had SRS... while I fully intended to not touch her dick to respect her wishes, the no sex til SRS would have killed the relationship if the distance hadn't.

[ezed]

lol But if the guy's straight he's not gonna bottom for her unless he was a little funny to start with.

What do you mean I'm funny?

What do you mean, you mean the way I talk? What?

Funny how? What's funny about it?

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

[sushitrap]

I don't know about other guys, but I guess I'm just as attracted to a beautiful TS as I am a normal beautiful woman. Maybe more so attracted to the TS's. It seems like most of the TS's I've talked to seem to have thier brains wired somewhere inbetween male and female, as opposed to strictly female. I've always got along more with girls who could hang out with the guys, as opposed to the pretty pretty princess types.

On the physical side: I'd just as likely go down on an attractive genetic female with a vagina as I would an attractive m2f with a penis.
Females are beautiful, smooth, soft, warm, cuddly. A+++. Guys are rough, and not pretty. But I think the male genitalia is much less imposing as the females.

Mew? Well, there's my thoughts.

[62des]

lol But if the guy's straight he's not gonna bottom for her unless he was a little funny to start with.

What do you mean I'm funny?

What do you mean, you mean the way I talk? What?

Funny how? What's funny about it?

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

LMFAO!!! You're not dumb.

[62des]

A penis doesn't turn guys on or off for this exact reason: WE HAVE A PENIS! Put in on a girl and you've got yourself a fuck partner. Wether you take it in the ass, or choose to ignore it and just fuck her ass is up you, but I guess different strokes for different folks. I bet a passive enough tranny in the right situation with damn near any guys, he's bound to have sex with her or atleast ask for a blowjob, which isn't any different to me except different sexual acts yet its sexual to say the least. But one thing we know, he'll never tell, unless he knows one of his friends has done the same. Unless you're planning on having a relationship and getting married, I don't see the need to tell anyone. Do you guys tell everyone about all of your one-night stands?

[ezed]

Do you guys tell everyone about all of your one-night stands?

Yeah, my secretary does daily press releases to the Boston Globe and Hearld, but they've chosen to ignore them. Go figure.