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LG
07-11-2007, 04:27 AM
Moving along now people, there's no porn to see here....

Let me however preface my cut-and-paste exercise with a suggestion to the moderators of these wonderful forums: Do you think we should have a separate area on news items? Or shall I continue posting here?

Let's move on shall we:

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Thailand’s ‘third sex’ seeks legal recognition

Androgynous Thais are out to change the country’s new constitution, says Edward Loxton
The First Post Magazine, Thailand, July 11

Visitors to Thailand may soon be asked to fill out immigration forms asking them to which of three genders they belong: male, female or other.

The third category is designed to embrace transsexuals, Thailand's high-profile community of mostly androgynous citizens called, in Thai, katoeys.

Katoeys, ranging from cross-dressers to young men who have completed the surgical process of becoming women, have long been an accepted and colourful section of the Thai community. Now they are pressing for full legal recognition of their status.

Ironically, their campaign received a boost with last September's coup that brought a straitlaced military junta to power. The generals are working on a new constitution, and katoeys see a chance of enshrining their rights in the new charter that has to be completed by the end of the year.

Among the changes they want to see is an official recognition that a third sex exists in Thailand. Such recognition would be enshrined in all Thai documentation - including identification documents, passports and any form requiring personal details.

At present, many Thai transsexuals have difficulty obtaining passports and other identity documents because they are unable to declare conclusively to which gender they belong. Even though the cost of sex-change operations in Thailand (the equivalent of about £1,500) is low by international standards, most transsexuals have difficulty raising the money and have to settle for breast implants and hormone treatment.

"They live in a sexual limbo," says Rapeepun Jommaroeng, assistant secretary of the Rainbow Sky Association, a gay rights organisation.

"Male or female, these people are still individuals and have their rights," says Nathee Teerarojjanaponse, president of the Thai Political Gay Group. "The new constitution should recognise that."

Katoeys are a very visible section of Thai society, not only on the streets and in the hostess bars of Bangkok and other cities, but on the entertainment scene. No Thai television comedy show or soap opera is complete without a katoey or two, turning in camp performances that no Western producer would dream of demanding from his cast.

Two of Thailand's most successful theatre shows, the Simon Cabaret, in Pattaya and Chiang Mai, are Las Vegas-style spectaculars, lavishly staged and costumed, and so wholesome that they're billed as family entertainment. Many of the gorgeous 'girls' who strut their stuff on the Pattaya and Chiang Mai stages are working to save enough for a full sex-change operation.

With well-paid work in television or cabaret beckoning, Thai village families who used to send daughters off to Bangkok to earn money in its seedy bars and karaoke lounges are now known to encourage their sons to become katoeys. Some even end up with prosperous Western partners - like Pui, a Chiang Mai katoey who lives in some style with her/his Swedish male companion.

"I was turned down for military service and I've given up trying to get a passport," Pui says. "I feel like a third-class citizen. The least the government can do is to give us third-class status - as a third sex."

Earlier this month, a 21-year-old student, who says her aim is to work for transsexual rights, won a Pattaya pageant to find the country's most beautiful katoey. Thanyarasmi Siraphatphakorn was crowned Miss Tiffany 2007 at an event watched by millions of Thais on national television. She won a new Mercedes Benz, a gem-studded tiara and the equivalent of £1,500 in cash - just about the same amount of money she probably spent on sex-change operations.

Jericho
07-11-2007, 05:48 AM
At present, many Thai transsexuals have difficulty obtaining passports and other identity documents because they are unable to declare conclusively to which gender they belong.

It will be interesting to see how the rest of the world reacts to that, if it becomes a reality.

DJ_Asia
07-11-2007, 08:46 AM
some schools in Thailand have 3 bathroom facilities available so there is at least some social acknowledgment already going on.

I'd like to see this become a reality...the girls deserve it.

Steve-Russell
07-11-2007, 09:05 AM
Remember seeing a documentary a couple of years ago on the ladyboy industry, seems it is almost a career choice for people from some of the poorer communities in the countryside.

All power to them !

Take Care

Steve

BlackAdder
07-11-2007, 10:34 AM
step in the right direction!

odelay24
07-11-2007, 10:37 AM
It's interesting to consider the idea of "other" in that a lot of trans people would still prefer to conform to the two pre-determined gender roles.

It would take a long time for this sort of thing to become engrained in peoples minds, and by a long time I mean hundreds of years and a complete cultural shift, but it would totally changed what we saw as 'gender'.

rt_saurus
07-12-2007, 03:52 PM
Let me however preface my cut-and-paste exercise with a suggestion to the moderators of these wonderful forums: Do you think we should have a separate area on news items? Or shall I continue posting here?

I quite like LG's news stories as they break up the "Am I gay?" or "Who is this hot girl?" posts. If they sat in their own area I might not check them out so often (my own fault of course).

There is a certain logic to keeping Politics and Religion, etc. separate as they are definitely off topic and tend to fire up the populace, but these items are a pleasant change to come upon in the main board.

Ecstatic
07-12-2007, 04:26 PM
Thanks for posting the news, LG. That is a welcome bit to hear!

LG
07-12-2007, 04:41 PM
Thanks rtsaurus and Ecstatic. I will continue posting such news stories in the main forum as I come across them.

I get the feeling, from reading stories like this one that the tide is slowly but surely changing. Transpeople are demanding fair treatment and legislators and the public are recognizing this. More exposure is given to the isse of trans rights. It will take a while, and there will always be bigots and haters, but things will change for the better, I think.