Any update on Miriam Rivera?

[EdelweissFan]

This important topic has simply dropped off the face of the earth.

Is she OK? Is she recovering? How are her spirits? Have any suspects been identified?

(For those who are not aware, Miriam Rivera, one of the most stunningly beautiful and famous transsexuals in the world, star of the British reality TV show, "There's Something about Miriam," and an Australian season of "Big Brother," was brutally attacked and thrown from the window of her third floor apartment in New York City. She survived but was horribly injured. There was a sticky thread about this shortly after it happened but it was abrupty removed with no explanation.)

[EdelweissFan]

More for Miriam

[CORVETTEDUDE]

I recall the thread, a very unfortunate set of circumstances. I haven't seen nor heard anything regarding her present condition, but like you, would be interested in some news.

[Legend]

She is probably doing ok but something shady happened since she asked not to be discussed her anymore.

[shutheight]

I saw her on Lincoln Road in South Beach on the 4th of July.

She was with friends and having a good time at Score.

She seemed to be in good spirits.

[EdelweissFan]

She probably asked not to be discussed here because some people made baseless accusations that the reason she had been attacked was because of something "shady" she had done.

That doesn't seem logical to me, because it was she and her supportive friends that posted the news about the attacks and updates here. Only when people began throwing around unsupported accusations did she/they ask that the threads be pulled.

It was truly a low point in HA's history. The poor girl had been beaten to within an inch of her life, as asking for support from the community, and some posters started basically insinuating that it was her fault.

So I'm appealing to her friends that if you have any good news about her recovery please post it here and hopefully no one will say anything mean spirited.

[EdelweissFan]

Thanks Shutheight! Is she able to walk and get around? Last time we had news she was just able to get out of bed and into a wheelchair.

[shutheight]

Thanks Shutheight! Is she able to walk and get around? Last time we had news she was just able to get out of bed and into a wheelchair.

She's able to walk and gets around on her own just fine -- with some expected limitations.

[AjaxSwann]

I recall seeing Miriam on the Brit TV show. Sorry to hear about her mishap. Hope she's doing well.

[tgirlzoe]

i was wondering about her periodically, i'm glad to hear she's alright now.

[Realgirls4me]

It was truly a low point in HA's history. The poor girl had been beaten to within an inch of her life, as asking for support from the community, and some posters started basically insinuating that it was her fault.

So I'm appealing to her friends that if you have any good news about her recovery please post it here and hopefully no one will say anything mean spirited.

That was low. Very low. ...What moron(s) insinuated that?


Nevermind. I'd rather not know.

[Legend]

She probably asked not to be discussed here because some people made baseless accusations that the reason she had been attacked was because of something "shady" she had done.

That doesn't seem logical to me, because it was she and her supportive friends that posted the news about the attacks and updates here. Only when people began throwing around unsupported accusations did she/they ask that the threads be pulled.

It was truly a low point in HA's history. The poor girl had been beaten to within an inch of her life, as asking for support from the community, and some posters started basically insinuating that it was her fault.

So I'm appealing to her friends that if you have any good news about her recovery please post it here and hopefully no one will say anything mean spirited.

The people that were wishing her well and making donations fairly outweighed the people making those kind of accusations,i mean you just don't ask for donations,gifts and suddenly say you don't wanna be discussed anymore,don't the people who helped you deserve to know how your progression is going.

[BrendaQG]

The people that were wishing her well and making donations fairly outweighed the people making those kind of accusations,i mean you just don't ask for donations,gifts and suddenly say you don't wanna be discussed anymore,don't the people who helped you deserve to know how your progression is going.

I would say they don't. It's enough to know that she is recovering. People who are ~24/25 years old can bounce back from things like this.

The whole thing really is a big mystery though. Someone who was once written of in people magazine in the US, and was tabloid fodder for a good while in the UK almost dies. Then not a peep. People say that it would be buried because they say "she had been seeing a client" or had been in porn. I mean those things were true when when she first made the news. I mean what would it take to have a short column of newsprint mentioning that. Then there is the frightening aspect of this. That there is probably someone out there who thinks it's ok to toss someone out of a window and the police don't care. Last but not least all the transgender activist types can do with the story is moan and complain about the premise of that old TV show. That it was "degrading to all transwomen" ( mainly those who are old ugly cannot pass and would never be in that kind of situation in 1 billion years). As if any of that crap has anything to do with the matter at hand.

Yes there are a ton of unanswered questions.

[house]

The people that were wishing her well and making donations fairly outweighed the people making those kind of accusations,i mean you just don't ask for donations,gifts and suddenly say you don't wanna be discussed anymore,don't the people who helped you deserve to know how your progression is going.

I would say they don't. It's enough to know that she is recovering. People who are ~24/25 years old can bounce back from things like this.

The whole thing really is a big mystery though. Someone who was once written of in people magazine in the US, and was tabloid fodder for a good while in the UK almost dies. Then not a peep. People say that it would be buried because they say "she had been seeing a client" or had been in porn. I mean those things were true when when she first made the news. I mean what would it take to have a short column of newsprint mentioning that. Then there is the frightening aspect of this. That there is probably someone out there who thinks it's ok to toss someone out of a window and the police don't care. Last but not least all the transgender activist types can do with the story is moan and complain about the premise of that old TV show. That it was "degrading to all transwomen" ( mainly those who are old ugly cannot pass and would never be in that kind of situation in 1 billion years). As if any of that crap has anything to do with the matter at hand.

Yes there are a ton of unanswered questions.

Who says the POLICE DONT CARE?? Yeah maaaan, the government, they dont caaaare maaaaan. You want some applause for saying something like that? Do you have any idea about what happened or what the detectives in charge have in terms of evidence? Its so easy to say the police don't care. If you care so much, write to a precinct and organize a protest to get something done...wait but YOU DONT CARE enough to do that.

[BrendaQG]

It feels like I am hijacking this thread. Such was not my intent. So be it. What was said demands a public response.



Who says the POLICE DONT CARE?? Yeah maaaan, the government, they dont caaaare maaaaan. You want some applause for saying something like that? Do you have any idea about what happened or what the detectives in charge have in terms of evidence? Its so easy to say the police don't care.

:-? why the hostility?

What we have is what should be treated as a case of attempted murder in which there have been no arrest or prosecutions or real investigation as far as anyone knows. It's not like this happend in the middle of nowhere in Montana either. Their would have been at least one witness, afterall someone called for an ambulance. There would also be some physical evidence of some kind. Given those circumstances it is 100% reasonable to conclude the authorities really don't care, aren't trying, or are just plain incompetent.


If you care so much, write to a precinct and organize a protest to get something done...wait but YOU DONT CARE enough to do that.

I cared, but to her I am virtually a perfect stranger. Nor am I a known activist. For such reasons when I did try to raise this issue with such people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jokestress#Regarding_Miriam_being_attack ed_and_it_not_being_reported_in_the_media). I really rode them on this. Eventually the activist I had the most contact with, as well as others expressed that they feel the very existence and activities of people like Miriam (and incidentally practically every TS who post here). Which implies that they feel that Miriam or anyone remotely like her "undermies their hard work" and so is not worthy of their help (see here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hfarmer#Miriam_article)). They are full of "reasonalbe' excuses for why a young latino TS is unworthy of the kind of help that susan Stanton got (as opposed to Izza Lopez who was also fired for being TS but unlike stanton would not have savings etc. to fall back on and also is not white). For good measure ,you will note, she saw fit to personally attack me.

I wan't no applause :smh I am just a concerned curious citizen like everyone else who commented in this thread.

[NYTSJulie]

I think it was kinda messed up she was asking for donations then after she got some she asked to threads on her removed.

[Legend]

I think it was kinda messed up she was asking for donations then after she got some she asked to threads on her removed.

That's exactly what i was thinking,her freind nikki was literally begging for help and then all of a sudden just asked for the threads to be remove.

[Tanuki]

Ithink unless you have been a victim like this it would be hard to stand up and tell someone how they should behave.
Furthermore. tabloids dont discuss REAL life issues.. just bubblegum fluff.. A tragic story like this is not going to sell magazines.
haters should turn off there computers and go outside and get some sunshine.

[yodajazz]

I would not call the people who have posted in this thread “haters”. When ever there is a mystery, people will ask questions. As far as the investigation, it is always difficult to know what the police have and are really doing. I think it may have been easy for the perpetrators to leave unnoticed after their crime. This is pure speculation, but when there are professional criminals involved, like ‘mafia types’, people are very reluctant to come forward as witnesses. And of course it would be understandable if Miriam herself was afraid to tell all she knows. It’s a mystery.

I think Brenda is correct about the support from the trans community. A certain trans activist saw to it that information about Miriam was removed from her Wikipedia post after someone tried to update it about her attack. She ended with pics and bio information being removed, rather than added to the article. I thought it was very shady. Wikipedia said that the attack could not be documented, and here we have seen pics of her injuries. From my limited understanding, Miriam’s past and a porn actress and other activities, made her unworthy of public support from some in the community.

No one can judge what another person should do for their recovery, but I agree what has been stated here by others. Despite negativity from a few, there was a great outpouring of support from many people. I among many people said that our prayers were with her, and I did pray. I don’t think that she got a lot of cash donations, however. But she did get some. I think someone from a band said they were writing a song about her. I do not remember when she ask that information be removed, if people were thanked or not for their support or not. Generally, I think that it is important to acknowledge good will and also ignore the ignorance of some people.

[Legend]

I hate that the accident happened but something went on there that none of us has any knowledge of and for her not to come out with somes detail is a little suspect after all people aren't going to support you if you don't tell them anything.I'm just saying you can't fault the public or trans community for not supporting her when they didn't know any of the details.

[NYTSJulie]

Well this what I heard, and this is hearsay so if its not 100 percent true I dont want to hear people freaking out on me. I heard that drugs were involved, and that yes she was attacked but she was not thrown from the window she jumped to escape the attack.

[Tanuki]

Yo,, I dont think that the people posting now about this are haters.I thought that would be confusing. wrote it anyway..

as a general footnote however, haters should turn off there computers and go outside in the sunlight..
hahaha

[Legend]

Well this what I heard, and this is hearsay so if its not 100 percent true I dont want to hear people freaking out on me. I heard that drugs were involved, and that yes she was attacked but she was not thrown from the window she jumped to escape the attack.

That activist didn't fight to have that stuff taken down for nothing,personally i think what you said sounds like the most likely scenario because alot of details were held back that really shouldn't have.

[TrueBeauty TS]

I hate that the accident happened but something went on there that none of us has any knowledge of and for her not to come out with somes detail is a little suspect after all people aren't going to support you if you don't tell them anything.I'm just saying you can't fault the public or trans community for not supporting her when they didn't know any of the details.


Squeaky wheel gets the grease. If she wants her story told and wants lots of support, she has to do her part and get the story out there. All it would take is a couple simple phone calls.

As it is, it seems she wants things to be quiet and that's her choice. It may be for good reasons.



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[BrendaQG]

Well this what I heard, and this is hearsay so if its not 100 percent true I dont want to hear people freaking out on me. I heard that drugs were involved, and that yes she was attacked but she was not thrown from the window she jumped to escape the attack.

Wow that's a hell of a choice to have to make.

[tsntx]

Well this what I heard, and this is hearsay so if its not 100 percent true I dont want to hear people freaking out on me. I heard that drugs were involved, and that yes she was attacked but she was not thrown from the window she jumped to escape the attack.

Wow that's a hell of a choice to have to make.

desperate times call for desperate measures :?:

[Azanti]

Either way, she didnt deserve it, thats for sure.

[EdelweissFan]

If the rumors of drug use are true, it really should not make too much difference in whether the community should support her.

There is an interesting comparison: Kevin Aviance. Aviance is not really transsexual. He is a gay male drag performer of some notoriety in downtown Manhattan. Aviance is at about the same level of celebrity as Miriam, although it does seem that he has a few more powerful friends in the entertainment industry than Miriam.

Aviance was badly beaten by a group of young men in the East Village about a year ago, and within days his story was in the tabloids and the gay community rallied around him. According to his story, the police initially didn't believe his story about being beaten, but within days arrested the perps -- probably because of the gay/entertainment activism/publicity machine that went into gear to help him.

Aviance apparently felt very ambivalent about becoming a symbol of anti-gay violence at political events, because he was used to being a performer and not a professional victim, but it seems he also felt the responsibility to help the community put the issue of anti-gay violence in the public spotlight.

Now here is the interesting parallel. About a year after the attack, the Village Voice did a big profile of Aviance and his attempt to recover physically and psychologically from the attack:

http://www.villagevoice.com/nyclife/0725,weinstein,76974,15.html

One of the aspects of Aviance's life the article highlights is his former drug use -- something that never came up in the publicity flurry immediately after the attacks. He admitted in the recent profile that he had been a regular drug user before the attack and that after the attack he went on a downward spiral of meth use before getting into rehab.

You can't question anyone's choices about how public they want to make their lives. OTOH, performers tend to be extroverts, and their lives are to some extent already out there.

I just think it has been extremely brave of Aviance to talk about the attack and his drug use. In other words, the fact that he has had drug problems does not excuse his attackers or make him any less a symbol of anti-gay violence. The same should be true for Miriam, but if she chooses not to play that role, well that's her choice.

[Legend]

Him being beaten wasn't drug related,he was beaten for being gay.There is no telling what happened in her situation so its hard to compare the two.You can't expect the trans community or public to defend or speak up if illegal activity went on.

There is a reason she is being quiet about this matter.I just think its not right for people to say she wasn't defended by the trans community because she was pretty and had her own show they probably didn't know what happened.

[house]

It feels like I am hijacking this thread. Such was not my intent. So be it. What was said demands a public response.



Who says the POLICE DONT CARE?? Yeah maaaan, the government, they dont caaaare maaaaan. You want some applause for saying something like that? Do you have any idea about what happened or what the detectives in charge have in terms of evidence? Its so easy to say the police don't care.

:-? why the hostility?

What we have is what should be treated as a case of attempted murder in which there have been no arrest or prosecutions or real investigation as far as anyone knows. It's not like this happend in the middle of nowhere in Montana either. Their would have been at least one witness, afterall someone called for an ambulance. There would also be some physical evidence of some kind. Given those circumstances it is 100% reasonable to conclude the authorities really don't care, aren't trying, or are just plain incompetent.


If you care so much, write to a precinct and organize a protest to get something done...wait but YOU DONT CARE enough to do that.

I cared, but to her I am virtually a perfect stranger. Nor am I a known activist. For such reasons when I did try to raise this issue with such people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jokestress#Regarding_Miriam_being_attack ed_and_it_not_being_reported_in_the_media). I really rode them on this. Eventually the activist I had the most contact with, as well as others expressed that they feel the very existence and activities of people like Miriam (and incidentally practically every TS who post here). Which implies that they feel that Miriam or anyone remotely like her "undermies their hard work" and so is not worthy of their help (see here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hfarmer#Miriam_article)). They are full of "reasonalbe' excuses for why a young latino TS is unworthy of the kind of help that susan Stanton got (as opposed to Izza Lopez who was also fired for being TS but unlike stanton would not have savings etc. to fall back on and also is not white). For good measure ,you will note, she saw fit to personally attack me.

I wan't no applause :smh I am just a concerned curious citizen like everyone else who commented in this thread.


why the hostility? why do you have such hostility towards cops? Just b/c you watch some crime shows on tv and think every precinct in nyc is equipped with unlimited manpower and equipment doesnt make it so. There isn't always this breadcrumb of evidence leading from a crime to the perpetrator. cops do more than alot and it angers me that some ignorant person who watches crime dramas think they are lazy just b/c they havent turned up a suspect in some drug induced, possible prostitution case.

"it is 100% reasonable to conclude the authorities really don't care, aren't trying, or are just plain incompetent. "

100% reasonable huh? How reasonable do you think it is for two cops to approach a car in crown heights and get shot down? It happens all the time in nyc. there are bigger things going on all the time. you can't just expect the entire force to put everything theyve got into solving one of the tens of thousands of crimes that go on every year and ignore everything else. get real. please move to crown heights or brownsville or east new york and then talk about how the cops are lazy. youll never walk out of your home.

[BrendaQG]

@ Edelwiess fan

You are exactly right. If she wants to fade to black that's her rightful prerogative. It's nice that even the niche media that could be interested in this has respected her privacy. Assuming what you say is true.

@ legend.

The trans activist Andrea James as well as those in the UK's "press for change" group. Criticized her for doing the following on TV....dating some guys and not telling them right away that she was a transsexual. Read the thread on "tranny's in straight bars" you will see that basically what Miriam did is quite common. It is incidental that only those who are both pretty and passable can do that.

Since you are not TS I would not expect you to know this but there is a real divide in the TS community. It's hard to totally characterize it. It should suffice to say that Andrea and I are on different sides of that chasm.

@house

It would be most appropriate to reply to you privately so I shall.

[Legend]

@ Edelwiess fan

You are exactly right. If she wants to fade to black that's her rightful prerogative. It's nice that even the niche media that could be interested in this has respected her privacy. Assuming what you say is true.

@ legend.

The trans activist Andrea James as well as those in the UK's "press for change" group. Criticized her for doing the following on TV....dating some guys and not telling them right away that she was a transsexual. Read the thread on "tranny's in straight bars" you will see that basically what Miriam did is quite common. It is incidental that only those who are both pretty and passable can do that.

Since you are not TS I would not expect you to know this but there is a real divide in the TS community. It's hard to totally characterize it. It should suffice to say that Andrea and I are on different sides of that chasm.

Are you saying that didn't she remove that info on wiki because miram did that show and because she has they ability to pick up guys in a bar,i'm not talking to insult by any means but that sounds ridiculous.A person could have been hurt and they have the info remove because of jealousy.

No im not a transsexual but i do know of older generations clashing with younger people.I just think those sometimes it's best to be safe brenda and doing a show like that doesn't help trying to spead the message of being safe.I am in no why saying that miram's story shouldn't been told because she did the show.

[BrendaQG]

The activist of the UK's "Press for Change" group showed their ass when they put this in a footnote of one of their doccuments. "www.wallbanks.com/PDF/CONTEMPORARY%2520HUMAN%2520RIGHTS%2520ISSUES%2520F OR%2520PEOPLE%2520WITH%2520TRANSSEXUALISM_%2520R%2 520Wallbank%2520290804A.pdf+UK+press+for+change+%2 2Something+about+Miriam%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us]CONTEMPORARY (http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:myVEX_fS4KIJ:[url) HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES FOR PEOPLE WITH TRANSSEXUALISM

Paper delivered at the Gendys conference September,2004, UK[/url]"


The Australian movie Pricilla Queen of the Desert and the recent Channel 10 program There’s
Something About Miriam is a good example of the confusion, exploited by the program, between
people who have no desire or need to bring their body (and especially their genitalia) into harmony
with their mind who display transgender expression and are, subject to their own confusion, extreme
cross-dressers, and do not experience transsexualism yet are labelled as such. People with
transsexualism undergo sex affirmation surgery for their own benefit and peace; rathe than choice.

The implication of that statement, as I read it, is that they feel that people like Miriam, and by extension every non-op or pre-op who is not all anxious to cut it off with the discarded top of a tin can... is not a transsexual. By their actions or lack there of they approve of and abet discrimination and violence directed towards people like Miriam. Such people are who is guarding our rights's? I feel really secure knowing that, not.

[yodajazz]

There have been some good points made in this thread, particularly by Legend.

Brenda, I think you are correct in your interpretation of what they said. I think what they said is terrible, besides the wording itself being poor. They are judging people and defining them by their sexual organs. Here’s what I believe. It should be more than about transsexuals but should be true for everybody. That is when you know that you are working with the truth:

1. My sexual organ(s) is private, between me and those I wish to share with.

2. I am a lot more than a sexual organ. Any policy, rules, regulations, and anything else has to take this into account.

3. I have a right to define myself, and have my own identity. I have rights to present myself in accordance with the identity that I define myself as, as long as I am not engaging in, or hiding criminal activities.

I know that their statement is just an excerpt from a long document. But what they say in the quoted statement here, does not take into account those transitioning, those that cannot afford the surgery, as well as those that love in non-op status. It is like they’re saying you’re nobody, until someone performs surgery on you.

I have something I want to say about the issue of non-op transsexual presenting themselves in public and even interacting with straight men. It says in the Bible somewhere, to “judge not by appearances, but use righteous judgment”. So if a man goes to a club and sees a hot looking woman, he might meet and talk to her, but he should get to know her, so he can use “righteous judgment” before putting the moves on, so to speak. Those men on that show, “Something about Miriam” were on there for money and vanity (to be on television). In my opinion, if they were using “righteous judgment”, they would have been out trying to get to know women in their everyday lives, instead of being on a tv program. In my opinion, they somewhat deserved what they got.

So if men lived more by that Bible phrase, they would get to know a woman’s mind before getting physical. In the case of a TS woman, then she would be able to tell him of her status before the physical stuff got deep. According to my statement above, she has a right to present herself as she believes herself to be. Because, the man is supposed to be looking beyond the outer presentation, anyway.

[redtiger]

IMHO, one of the other reasons for her wanting the posts removed was because some of the people who posted in here regarding her "dilemma" claimed that the whole thing was a scam and that no actual beating of Miriam took place.

There was quite a bit of shouting going back and forth between a couple of the posters. With some wondering why donations such as flowers or cards could not be delivered in person, why it took so long to place an address to send them to on the board, why this matter never made much news in the GLB community; or even the major press-esp for someone who had been on a "major" TV show. Not to mention the legal ramifications of the matter; it was suggested that she was an undocumented (i.e., illegal) alien.

[DCGuy343]

Is this possible that she has returned and recovered? Or is this somone doing a bait and switch? If she has recovered then that is great for her!!! :claps

http://www.erostranssexuals.com/tampa-files/ny-olivia41-miriam1.htm

[BeardedOne]

Is this possible that she has returned and recovered? Or is this somone doing a bait and switch? If she has recovered then that is great for her!!! :claps

http://www.erostranssexuals.com/tampa-files/ny-olivia41-miriam1.htm

Well, there was something said up-thread about her being in Florida. If such is so, then good for her! Could just as much be the bait-n-switch as well, so we'll wait for the inevitable horror story to come out.

Recovered is relative. She could be all shiny-new and still have long-term physical therapy on the menu.

[Tanuki]

So, has anyone called???

[Coroner]

So, has anyone called???

You go first.

[Amped4TS]

Is she really touring in North Carolina now?

http://www.eros-carolina.com/files/ny-olivia41-miriam1.htm

[sucka4chix]

Is she really touring in North Carolina now?

http://www.eros-carolina.com/files/ny-olivia41-miriam1.htm

Ok, this "alleged" Miriam is apparently travelling with another girl. I called both numbers last night and got a "this voice mail is full message" from Miriam and a voice mail message from someone with a thick spanish accent on the other. I called again this morning, got the same message. But later "Miriam" called me back. I said "so you're out of the hospital and better?". She was like "Yes, how did you know about that?". I was trying to do the investigative work but I don't really know her well enough to say yay or nay it was her. I have talked to her but it was a long time ago. Her voice on the phone then was really high, almost squeaky, but I don't remember it being like that in person. Would love to take one for the team and find out if it's really her, but I just don't have the time------fuck. Gotta be in Michigan tomorrow... If only I hadn't been in NYC all week messin' around!!!!!

[wbrimley56]

SOMEBODY on this site (moderator, etc.) must (a) know Miriam, and (b) know if she is really touring. Since there hasn't been any confirmation from those that know her, it may be a good sign that it's not her.

Perhaps.

[redtiger]

According to the pic I just looked at for Eros she's in Boston. Hard to believe someone could go from being tossed from a 4th story window, to a hospital with her arms and legs in casts or with screws holding bones together, back to escorting so soon. :shock:

This whole thing is beginning to smell fishy. The copy at the bottom of her page says, "All photos are recent, what you see is real." That being so, where are the scars and bruises from the screws that were holding her broken bones in place? The incident wasn't all that long ago and yet her hair is as long as I've ever seen it in her photoshoots . The last picture I saw of her (on this forum) was with her having had her hair cropped rather short. Unless she's wearing a wig and the photos have been shopped, I can't see her hair growing to that lenth that fast or scars totally disappearing.

http://www.erostranssexuals.com/boston-files/ny-olivia41-miriam1.htm



What a miraculous recovery!! :roll:

[BrendaQG]

It takes about 6 weeks for bones to heal. As I recall this incident happened in March, four month's ago.

Perhaps some of the New Yokers here do know her or did know her and just don't want to touch this issue with a ten foot pole? Who knows?

[shutheight]

This whole thread is becoming ridiculous.

It’s been determined that Miriam is doing as well as can be expected.

What the fuck do you wankers care if the ads you see are hers or not? Are you going to call and make a date? Probably not ‘cause your stuck in your fucking basement whackin’ off while your wife is upstairs changing diapers.

Give this tread a rest. Please.

[tsntx]

This whole thread is becoming ridiculous.

It’s been determined that Miriam is doing as well as can be expected.

What the fuck do you wankers care if the ads you see are hers or not? Are you going to call and make a date? Probably not ‘cause your stuck in your fucking basement whackin’ off while your wife is upstairs changing diapers.

Give this tread a rest. Please.

co-sign... if youre NOT calling to make an appt... DONT FUCKING CALL.... as far as those pics go.. they are OLD.... like 4 or 5yrs old