TS tv Show on the 'WE' network tonight at 12 cntrl

[tsntx]

like the title says.

flipping through channels and saw last 2 mins of it... according to tv guide channel it was simply called "transgender" but it re-airs at midnight for all those that might wanna see... -j

[mustang]

mine says transgender/prison??? I can't imagine what that will be. It could be pretty crazy!!..lol

[tonkatoy]

my gf and i watched it, it is pretty sad.

[yodajazz]

It's regarding transgender women, who were sent to men's prisons.

Incidently the one Black woman from New Jersey, looked very familiar. I think she may have been on Black T Girls. If anyone watches it tell me if you think it's her. I'll search for a picture.

[tsntx]

it is pretty sad... it should be a lesson to every ts out there that getting your name and gender marker legally corrected to fit the new you and carrying a copy of your court documents w/ you at all times, is crucial.

[yodajazz]

The sad thing to me is America claims to be a ‘Christian’ nation, but is the most punishment oriented nation on earth. Christ taught forgiveness and compassion. An troubled 18 year old ts, was given 67 years for robbing a bank with out a gun. But those corporate crooks who steal are not punished so severely. They clearly have the education and intelligence in which to make informed decisions before they commit crimes.

I also wish that some of could have been help to develop more realistic survival plans, like going back to school. I think in the long run it would save money to help offenders get survival skills. But society is more interested in punishment.

Whatever. I guess we should just take the 30 odd six straight to the head like they do in the Arab world.

If you're in prison it's because you did something wrong.

Still want to look pretty? Don't do wrong shit.

Christ taught that there are consequences to actions. Don't give me the forgiveness bullshit. I can tell you personally that Christians can shoot that bullshit down FASTER than you can put it up. Consequences are real!

Like I said. If you still want to be pretty, don't rob banks.

[yodajazz]

Whatever. I guess we should just take the 30 odd six straight to the head like they do in the Arab world.

If you're in prison it's because you did something wrong.

Still want to look pretty? Don't do wrong shit.

Christ taught that there are consequences to actions. Don't give me the forgiveness bullshit. I can tell you personally that Christians can shoot that bullshit down FASTER than you can put it up. Consequences are real!

Like I said. If you still want to be pretty, don't rob banks.

So you say Jesus Christ is a bullshitter? No wonder you are ignorant.
And the problem with consequences is that they are vastly unequal for different classes of people. Poor people, racial and sexual minorities are treated much more harshly for the same behaviors.

Take drug laws. They decided that the type of cocaine used in the Black communities was more dangerous than the type used more in the White communities. A Black person with a certain weight of coke in rock form will recieve several times the length in punishment of a White person with the same weight of the substance in powder form. We are talking years, that is multiple times the punishment for the exact same weight.

In that documentary the person who robbed the bank was a troubled young person 18 years old and recieved 67 years. I was told that it was not even a real gun. But other people kill people and have it ruled as manslaugter and are given 5 to ten years. I don't think that person actually got any money from thier crime. But around here a man who cheated people of millions of dollars recieved a seven year sentence. Those were people's retirement savings and life investments. Some people are on trial for miss using 20 million dollars of public funds. None of those convicted will receive more than ten years. Yet those men were intelligent, educated and should have been more aware of the consequnces of their actions than a 18 year old.

Yes, there are consequences of all actions, but ideally the consequences should be equal for all classes of people.

TFan, I cant help it if Christian people dont get the essence of Christ's message. Someone asked him if they should forgive a person seven times for offending them. Chirst said it should be more like "seventy times seven". I guess you would say he was 'bullshilting' when he said it. I suggest you study more of what the Bible said came out of his mouth.
He said that you will be judged by God, the way you judge others in your life.

[Rild]

I'm a Christian. The religion has nothing to do with this. You can't put these individuals in a woman's prison.

Because of the fact they was born men, they are stronger than women and could put the lives of women in danger.

They are criminals, they have to serve their time. I don't see you arguing for policemen in prison, or gay men in prison.

Think about it.

[yodajazz]

I'm a Christian. The religion has nothing to do with this. You can't put these individuals in a woman's prison.

Because of the fact they was born men, they are stronger than women and could put the lives of women in danger.

They are criminals, they have to serve their time. I don't see you arguing for policemen in prison, or gay men in prison.

Think about it.

My argument was not really about putting transexuals in women's prison, as much as it is about the US being more and more of a punishment society. If we did not have 2 million people locked up, then there might be room to place tg prisoners in more specialized facilities. Treating people humanely, is part of Christianty. Jesus did mention visiting people in prison in a list of behaviors, when he said, "that which you do to the least of my brethern, you do unto me."

So yes I am arguing for gay men and everyone in prison in a general sense, as we become a nation of criminals. For example the the thirty million people, who they say have smoked marijuana. How about riding in a car wilthout a seatbelt?

You have people like TFan saying that everyone deserves what ever treatment they get. But that's only because he would probably enjoy being stripped searched in a room full of burley men. But most people, I think would think that being stripped searched for forgetting your insurance card is not humane treatment. There is a line when punishment becomes excessive punishment. Punishment is excessive when it creates more problems than the original offense. Harsher punishment for everything is creating it's own problems, these days. To forgive is a Christian concept that needs more understanding, in America and the world.

[yodajazz]

I believe I found the picture of the TS women from New Jersey in the film. She was lighter skinned, probably from lack of sun. Her hair was Black, whereas in the photo shoot she is called Blondie. But I believe that this is her.

If I remember correctly didn't she serve 14 months without a court hearing. Overcrowding helps to create issues like that, which essentially deny people their Constiutional rights to a fair and speedy trail.

Excessive isolation is an additional punishment from being locked up. That is how they punish people in lockup.

So you say Jesus Christ is a bullshitter?


No, I say you're a bullshitter and a panderer.


No wonder you are ignorant. And the problem with consequences is that they are vastly unequal for different classes of people. Poor people, racial and sexual minorities are treated much more harshly for the same behaviors.


OMG! There must be a god because someone raised you from the dead. Welcome back, Lenin. Old habits die hard they say and I see you're still playing class warfare. How are them earthworms doing?



Take drug laws. They decided that the type of cocaine used in the Black communities was more dangerous than the type used more in the White communities. A Black person with a certain weight of coke in rock form will recieve several times the length in punishment of a White person with the same weight of the substance in powder form.


Isn't your beard tired from all the scratching? Crack crimes are overwhelmingly violent. As opposed to cocaine crimes which are overwhelmingly white and geeky. If you commit GTA and muggings, you're going to the big house. If you take off your clothes at the bar, you're going to sleep in jail.

You see how this works?

[RangeHova]

I know that these people did wrong things that got them locked up but the punishment does not fit the crime. Something like a fist fight or even a robbery should not sentence you to being beat, raped, being forced to be a sex slave and murder.

I think the jail system is flawed in areas that it doesn't have to be flawed. They let lawlessness become a part of the jail experience on people that in most cases will be set free into society.

Even if the tramswomen aren't allowed in female prisons, they can at least be allowed to be safe where they are. That goes for anyone in jail. The fact that institutions turn thier backs on rape (of any kind) is a part of the problem.

There has to be a better option than 23 hours of solitary confinement.

[tsntx]

I know that these people did wrong things that got them locked up but the punishment does not fit the crime. Something like a fist fight or even a robbery should not sentence you to being beat, raped, being forced to be a sex slave and murder.

I think the jail system is flawed in areas that it doesn't have to be flawed. They let lawlessness become a part of the jail experience on people that in most cases will be set free into society.

Even if the tramswomen aren't allowed in female prisons, they can at least be allowed to be safe where they are. That goes for anyone in jail. The fact that institutions turn thier backs on rape (of any kind) is a part of the problem.

There has to be a better option than 23 hours of solitary confinement.

TOTALLY AGREE :D

[yodajazz]

So you say Jesus Christ is a bullshitter?


No, I say you're a bullshitter and a panderer.


No wonder you are ignorant. And the problem with consequences is that they are vastly unequal for different classes of people. Poor people, racial and sexual minorities are treated much more harshly for the same behaviors.


OMG! There must be a god because someone raised you from the dead. Welcome back, Lenin. Old habits die hard they say and I see you're still playing class warfare. How are them earthworms doing?



Take drug laws. They decided that the type of cocaine used in the Black communities was more dangerous than the type used more in the White communities. A Black person with a certain weight of coke in rock form will recieve several times the length in punishment of a White person with the same weight of the substance in powder form.


Isn't your beard tired from all the scratching? Crack crimes are overwhelmingly violent. As opposed to cocaine crimes which are overwhelmingly white and geeky. If you commit GTA and muggings, you're going to the big house. If you take off your clothes at the bar, you're going to sleep in jail.

You see how this works?

How I live my life is between me and God, just like it is for everyone. I have long noticed your tendency to call names, rather than discuss specific issues. I have called you out on this several times. People have a right to disagree and discuss public policies. But name calling is simple disrespect. What is bullshit? You do not know me, except what I have written on this forum. You do not know my education or life experiences. From what I have written, you have a right to state your opinion on issues, but what is bullshit, except juvenile name calling?

I generally try to live my life, by certain principles. I try to make my principle consistent with those expressed by Jesus and use them in my daily life. For example he said “Love thy neighbor as thyself”. For me, I see it as a classic definition of the word ‘empathy’. I have observed that this is a quality that you seem to lack. For example, in another thread on this same topic, Tsntx (Jen) related a personal story of being falsely arrested, stripped searched and jailed. And it was in the context of discussing treatment of ts prisoners. All you could say was “quit whining” or something. There was no sympathy, empathy, or relating her experience to larger social issues. And this relates back to name calling. From things I have written, you do not seem to discuss larger issues and principles. You just call every one communists and other related names.

I will stop here and apologize for names I any have called you. You do not seem to relate to any thing else. But I know that I should not be descending to that juvenile level and I will try not to do so in the future.

What you call “class warfare” I simply call, an attempt to come closer to the principles on which this nation was founded, like the “Declaration of Independence”. I have seen injustices first hand and have heard about many more through conventional media. This is not bullshit, son.

As far as the drug issue, you have made an assumption based on fallacy which has grave consequences in the community. The truth is that people who commit violent crimes are already responsible by law, for what ever they do, whether drugs are involved or not. The injustice has to do with simple possession, and also the definition of possession with intent to sale. I am not advocating that people use drugs, I am saying that harsher punishments for simple possession has helped create a separate problem than the use of the drug itself. A cover article for "Newsweek" was called "The Prison Generation". It discussed some of the social problems caused by harsher and harsher punishments, and the implications for the future.

I am not just preaching from the sidelines, I am designing programming that would address these issues through education from within the community. But social policies which punish Blacks more than Whites for the same behaviors based on racist assumptions, must also continue to be addressed, for the sake of justice for all.

So TFan I have asked you to respect me on more than one occasion, and you have repeatedly called me names, like a juvenile would. So I ask you in all seriousness, is an ass-whopping the only language you will understand? This forum is for adults. (Check! And checkmate in two moves.)

[tgirlzoe]

hey, religion, politics, and shemale porn all on the same thread! awesome.

[Mami-Liiciouz]

Yodajazz u are right that is Yolanda, she is cool in person.

Does anyone know if this is gonna re-air?

[62des]

If you ask me jail is even more fucked up than criminals. Cops not even giving a shit when prison rape is going on. What kind of shit is that? I feel sorry for those who went to jail over weapon charges or somethin because they probably can't fight. Not to even imagine what would happen to transsexuals. It would be smart for them to carry around weapons if they can't fight. It seems to me that going to jail makes a person twice as bad, as stated by someone before. I know for sure if I went to prison I wouldn't try to be a good guy. That'll put a target on your head.