UNhappy with Subscription to Website(s)

[LOAS]

So I went ahead and did it I subscribe to 3 of the most popular sites that I always see advertised here in the Forums.

It was very easy sign up. I only hope that it will also be that easy to cancel my accounts which I plan to do since I am not happy.

I did get to see full layouts of all of the Girls and superstars that have been posted in the Forums. however

1. I do not see the point of having 7 to 10 shots of the girls in the same
poses with their clothes on. ( I thought it was a Porn site)
2. Not enough full body nude shots where you can see her whole body.
3. Shemales are famous for their well shaped Booty. Why do I only get 2
to 3 shots.
4.I couldn't tell whether I was looking a penis or the photographers
thumb.
5. Videos take forever to download, you have to have 3 to 4 different
player to view. (please pick one format)
6.Videos are so poorly shot with bad sound quality ( have to keep
adjusting screen size and volume)
7. If a thumbnail has a certain girls picture on it, I expect to see that girl
when I click on it
8.Hire a freelance writer or something to write Bio's of these girls, I
am sure there is more to their lives than you telling us how you did or
didn't want to bang them.
9. No more hotel room backdrops, you are traveling to some exotic
countries to shoot them, how about a little scenery.
10.Give us some email address and contact numbers man... I am sure
the girls won't mind.
11.Don't advertise updates and then show me pics of the girls
from their last or first photo shoot and claim that you just shot them a
few weeks ago.
12.Try to update the content more frequently, there are billions of people
in this world some of them might even be shemales,
shoot (photographically) them and post them. I want to see more girls
not the same ones over and over.

In the end my fellow Hungangelinos I would rather take my chances searching thru free galleries, catching a virus and paying some PC tech $25.00 per month to clean the viruses from my pc that I have contracted thru the free gallery site.

[The Truth]

Come on Loas, open up a little bit. Tell us how you really feel about TG pay sites.

FYI, I understand your frustration. I gave up on pay sites long time ago.

[kiss my grits]

I agree though, some of the sites are ridiculous with photo choice. Does anyone want to see 75 pics of the model in clothes, and only 10 nude with maybe 3 or 4 erect.
Different video formats on the same site is just lazy. I shouldn't have to install real player and quicktime to view a few old videos. Sites need to spend a few hours with a freware video converter and save customers the hassle.

And what's with only giving one preview picture and no description for a 150MB video file.

Tranny porn sites could learn a few things from the better straight porn sites.

that being said though, they're still worth joining. :D

[ballzNnutz]

i never have paid for a paysite for photos. if i do pay its for the videos.

[Darkwing Duck]

My only wish is for some of the older sites to put their older galleries in more convenient single zip file downloads. :D

[fitz207]

I agree with all of you. The slow download speeds at most sites are horrible, don't they understand that most people who join these sites have an high speed connection. Please update your damn server for high speed.

What are we paying you for?

[ILuvGurls]

Am i the only one who wishes that he could just enjoy the movie and the girl without hearing the guy behind the camera talk? Oh, and i don't need his penis to suddenly appear in the photos either.

:claps co-sign

[werwt22]

Hmmmm a have a lot of pet peeves with most paysites.

I hate the recurring billing for one....there should be an option for just one month. It's like it's not their for the convenience of not having to sign up again but for hoping you forget to cancel your membership and them getting another month out of you.

Secondly, ZIP files were one of the best ideas when it comes to porn. But theres nothing worse than downloading all the new content and then getting to the older content and having to get everything one-by-one. If you decide to implement it into your site, do the whole site not just part of it.

Thirdly, I hate when movies don't transition from one stage to another....I wanna see these girls walk from the couch to their balcony, I wanna see a continuous shot when the scenario changes instead of clothed teleport dance teleport underwear teleport masturbate teleport cumshot end clip. Let them get to where they are going then start the next scene, dont just show a bunch of clips that look separate were merged.

I hate when the picture quality is amazing and the video quality is absolute trash or vice-versa.

I hate when the girls are riding and they always have their hands covering their privates. That's like one of the biggest thrills of seeing a TS ride you. It's hard enough to get some TS to stay erect while on top or being topped at all and when they do a hand is in the way 90% of the time. Cmon....we obviously hear you talking to the girls behind the camera....have enough sense to tell them we wanna see the goods LOL.

I hate when the camera guy misses the cumshot. I think one of the brazilian sites have the best idea of dealing with this. They take multiple angles of the cumshot and they have slowmo clips after the realtime cumshot. I dont wanna be forced to see a shot in slowmo if I wanna see it in realtime.

This isnt directed at anyone specific....just something I've noticed from majority of paysites that I know all lot of people don't like either.

[deep.lurkr]

I think the real problem with most paysites is that the demand outgrew the supply when the community was still in it's infancy.

The problem of how to get as much content online as quickly as possible to cash in on the demand was the primary milestone for anyone looking to survive the Dot-Bomb crash.

What we expect now from an adult site is typically a 2.0 website where much of the backend is driven by script, and updates are about as labor intensive as brushing your teeth. Unfortunately that doesn't apply to the more popular TS sites, simply because they've been in existence for a very long time now, and updating how they deliver their content is a HUGE undertaking. Furthermore, if it isn't broken, why fix it? People still get their downloads no matter if it takes a little longer to get there, and unless you feel like waiting months or years for it to filter into the public, you've only got one outlet for new material, the paysites.

Now I agree some of these sites could use an overhaul, but simply put, they're not broken. They still work, you paid to see what was in the member's area didn't you?

Let's be realistic, Porn is like art, it's highly subjective. You say you don't like looking at TS in clothes, well maybe I do, and 75 shots of her in a bill cosby sweater just might float some people's boat.

Just be glad we have an outlet for the beauty that surrounds us, imagine what our options were 20 years ago...

Much of this industry is still new and finding it's legs as it slowly becomes more and more accepted in our western culture. Webmasters are not going to hire the Ron Harris'es of Playboy ilk to come out and take shots for 50k a day when their site is finally turning a profit in YEARS. Just compare any of the top 3's TS site's archive shots to what we have now, and you'll see that the photographers have really made a lot of progress with their technique and composition. Just give us the time Heffner has had to perfect his artform and you bet you're going to see the most tastefully erotic and compositionally correct photos you've ever seen.

The good news is, we're almost there now. . .

I love my ladies, and I appreciate the paysites who have shared them with me.

Thanks Seanchai, Frank, and Joey.

[fitz207]

I hate when the picture quality is amazing and the video quality is absolute trash or vice-versa.


That is a pain. That why i prefer a site that has vidcaps of the video and not fancy still pics.

[mp.rodriguez21]

10.Give us some email address and contact numbers man... I am sure
the girls won't mind.


I don't disagree with your other points, but this one is ridiculous! Sure, they won't mind ... would you want your contact information given to a bunch of horny people who would undoubtedly leave you message after message asking when they could hook up with you? LOL

[LOAS]

10.Give us some email address and contact numbers man... I am sure
the girls won't mind.


I don't disagree with your other points, but this one is ridiculous! Sure, they won't mind ... would you want your contact information given to a bunch of horny people who would undoubtedly leave you message after message asking when they could hook up with you? LOL


Hey
-how many email address do you have, it now common to have 3 to 7.
-how many cell phone numbers do you have, many people now have at least
2 or 3 lines.
-Don't some of these girls post on eros and other eros like site with
numbers and email addresses.

Let me rephrase myself on #10.

10. It would be nice if the girls had an email address or a phone number
where fans like Mp3.rodriguez21 and I could send a message or a
comment of how Big fans we are.

Good or bad who doesn't like fan mail...

[LOAS]

Seanchai, Frank, and Joey. and others.

As you can see many of us do not share the same views, some like and some don't like what you produce. Never the less you as Artist, have our attention with your products. I am sure that with the subject matter that you are dealing with it may be difficult to gather up feed back.

Please do not take this as site bashing, look at it as a feed back tool.(honest criticism) from people who admire your work and services.


I hope that the comments and future comments will help and make your job easier. I understand that in the business side of things it's hard to find other people who share the same views as you.

The end

[GroobySteven]

Seanchai, Frank, and Joey. and others.

As you can see many of us do not share the same views, some like and some don't like what you produce. Never the less you as Artist, have our attention with your products. I am sure that with the subject matter that you are dealing with it may be difficult to gather up feed back.

Please do not take this as site bashing, look at it as a feed back tool.(honest criticism) from people who admire your work and services.


I hope that the comments and future comments will help and make your job easier. I understand that in the business side of things it's hard to find other people who share the same views as you.

The end

I don't know why your addressing these concerns to Frank, Joey or myself as pretty much all of you complaints are null on Grooby.com websites?

If you want to I can go through each complaint you made?

As far as content is concerned, different strokes for different folks. Some like some girls - some like others, some like photographer involvement - others don't, etc. which is why we show a massive amount of different material from different photographers.

I address feedback from members on my sites forums all the time and welcome it and adjust the site, if possible.

Thanks
seanchai

[Jericho]

I hate the recurring billing for one....there should be an option for just one month.

That's the only gripe i have.
I won't join a site where recurring billing is the only option for card sign-up.

[NYCe]

10.Give us some email address and contact numbers man... I am sure
the girls won't mind.


I don't disagree with your other points, but this one is ridiculous! Sure, they won't mind ... would you want your contact information given to a bunch of horny people who would undoubtedly leave you message after message asking when they could hook up with you? LOL


Hey
-how many email address do you have, it now common to have 3 to 7.
-how many cell phone numbers do you have, many people now have at least
2 or 3 lines.
-Don't some of these girls post on eros and other eros like site with
numbers and email addresses.

Let me rephrase myself on #10.

10. It would be nice if the girls had an email address or a phone number
where fans like Mp3.rodriguez21 and I could send a message or a
comment of how Big fans we are.

Good or bad who doesn't like fan mail...

To be honest, many girls can't be bothered with fan mail. Unless you're contacting them to schedule an "appointment for services" you are more than likely wasting their time.

[GroobySteven]

Let me rephrase myself on #10.

10. It would be nice if the girls had an email address or a phone number
where fans like Mp3.rodriguez21 and I could send a message or a
comment of how Big fans we are.

Good or bad who doesn't like fan mail...

http://www.real-tgirls.com - you don't even have to be a member to access that sort of information including the Brazilian girls from shemales-from-hell.com and brazilian-transsexuals.com
Practically every model that goes up on ladyboy-ladyboy.com from the PI or Thailand has phone number and email address with her update.

As NYCe stated, most really have very little interest in hearing from "fans" unless they're looking for a date.
seanchai

[moose146]

what pisses me off more is when girls are advertised being on a site and when you pay they cant be found anywhere what a rip off

[GroobySteven]

what pisses me off more is when girls are advertised being on a site and when you pay they cant be found anywhere what a rip off

I haven't seen that since the early days of wesites - which sites do that?

[werwt22]

what pisses me off more is when girls are advertised being on a site and when you pay they cant be found anywhere what a rip off

I haven't seen that since the early days of wesites - which sites do that?

LMAO there like spoof sites. I joined a boob site like that where the first page of women in the banner werent even on the site and it removed the money from my card, but it didn't appear on ccbill like it said. And it kept recurring so I had to get the bank to cancel it. Gotta watch sites like that.

[BeardedOne]

Wow!

This is a tough one to catch up to! :shock:


I don't know why your addressing these concerns to Frank, Joey or myself as pretty much all of you complaints are null on Grooby.com websites?

I'm sure that no ill intent was inferred towards Grooby websites (Or Frank, Joey, Buddy, Alannah, Vicki, Lisa...The list goes on), and am rather pleased that, to this point at least, no particular site was named in the gripes.

I'm the management geek for www.bestcoyotevideo.com and read these recurring gripe sessions with great interest (And am not adverse to adding one or two of my own). It is commonly known in the biz world that if a person is satisfied with your product or service, they will tell one or two friends about it. Yet, if someone is displeased about your product or service, they will tell ten people or more (And if they're displeased with your product or service as much as I am currently displeased with Chase credit cards, they will fucking rant to =EVERYONE= :evil: ....Er, *Kaff*, 'scuse me).

That said...

Comments and criticism from clients, subscribers, and customers is what advances any business model to the next level of positive customer service and, in turn, profit. So I turn a keen eye to these rants and try to weed out the psychos, like myself ( :wink: ), and learn a little from it. As Seanchai has said, he pays close attention to the interests, kudos, and even disappointments of his clientele and tweaks his sites accordingly. From my viewpoint, he ain't doing half bad with that system of customer service.


I won't join a site where recurring billing is the only option for card sign-up.

I hate that shit, too. It's primarily designed in by the payment processor (Not the site or content provider) and is specifically intended to keep you on an extra month or two if you "forget" to cancel. My feelings: From my perspective, in all honesty, keep it on. But I speak from a provider point of view. Payment processing firms take a significant percentage of the subscription fee for their services, so it is only natural for them to want a higher take (Therefore, a longer subscription). This is old nooz, as Mastercard/Mastercharge/Interbank and Visa/BankAmericard/Whatever have been tapping the world economy thusly since day one. So, to make any kind of workable income, sites (Be they mega-commercial or personal sites run by/for a particular gurl), must encourage the multi-month billing options.


To be honest, many girls can't be bothered with fan mail. Unless you're contacting them to schedule an "appointment for services" you are more than likely wasting their time.

Any mail that has "[Name of city] Have $$$" in the subject line will be opened first.

I kid.

Well...Maybe not. :shrug



moose146 wrote:
what pisses me off more is when girls are advertised being on a site and when you pay they cant be found anywhere what a rip off

I haven't seen that since the early days of wesites - which sites do that?

Trust me, it's more common than you think, but primarily independent/personal sites. I know a gurl that has a name site (Her name) and I was shocked to see how little material on the site featured her. I spoke to her about it and she just shrugged it off (Another surprise). I can't imagine the exponential growth her site might experience if she redesigned it and featured more of her own work there. :roll:


No more hotel room backdrops, you are traveling to some exotic
countries to shoot them, how about a little scenery.

Yah, we all know the pattern of Holiday Inn and Red Roof bedspreads. :roll: I can't help but laugh when I recognize them. Yet it does give me pause and amusement, when I am at one of those venues, to wonder what might be going on in the room next door. :wink:

Though Coyote is currently just playing with the video on demand model, we have set up studio models and have been working towards a production aspect. Granted, Holiday Inns are cheap settings, but have you ever been in the Bridal Suite of the one in Memphis, TN? :D Seriously, we're researching other venues/sets.


1. I do not see the point of having 7 to 10 shots of the girls in the same poses with their clothes on. ( I thought it was a Porn site)
2. Not enough full body nude shots where you can see her whole body.

I have actually met one gurl that scragged her nude/porn site for personal reasons and shifted to a more social/fashion site. She was amazed at how many of her original subscribers opted to stay on for the new material (Even though there is no nudity or porn). So, it truly is: Whatever floats your soap. :)

Rant on, boys, rant on. I'm reading very carefully. :)

[Ecstatic]

I hate that shit, too. It's primarily designed in by the payment processor (Not the site or content provider) and is specifically intended to keep you on an extra month or two if you "forget" to cancel. My feelings: From my perspective, in all honesty, keep it on. But I speak from a provider point of view. Payment processing firms take a significant percentage of the subscription fee for their services, so it is only natural for them to want a higher take (Therefore, a longer subscription).
Yes, the payment processors want a bigger slice of pie, but it's incredibly easy and fast in ccbill to set up whatever payment options you want. I think the minimum options should be one-time (typically one month, though I've seen 60 and 90 days) for a couple bucks more than the recurring.