Gradually more mainstream?

[dan_yearsgone83]

Maybe it's because I'm in the northeast and we're more accepting (if accepting is essentially don't ask don't tell), but it seems like tg porn is becoming more mainstreamed. Two days ago my roommate's girlfriend was here and she had me use booble.com (a porn web search engine) to look up Allanah Starr. I played it dumb and went along with it, and acted confused when I saw Allanah's "surprise" because I don't have the sack to be open about my interest...but even so, it's cool to see tg sexuality being talked about more than just in lectures that are solely directed at the GLBT community.

[popperluv]

Dan you should take a trip down to NYC and actually meet her.

[LBCDO]

Wait, im kinda confused. She was looking for XRated pictures of her? Whats the rest of the story?

I know so many people who like TSs, but they are afraid to say anything out loud! Ive stumbled so many peoples bookmarks, porn in sharedfolders in Kazaa or Limewire than Id like to count! People are just hiding it, but a lot of people are actually liking it. I remember when I was like 14, and I was testing a friend to see hwat he thought about TS. He was like "Its the same as doing anal with a girl, anal is anal, Id do it". LOL, but now its so accessible, its not really a problem! its just the girls being out there! I guess im fortunate to live in ATL, but Im not into the "southern girls", I need an up-north trip

[dan_yearsgone83]

She was looking for x-rated pictures of Allanah and wanted both me and Justin to see what she was talking about, probably to see our interest in her. Nevertheless, I can't tell you for sure what her motive was.

[zerrrr]

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1478887&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Interesting thread and responses, although I may be opening a can of worms. I am surprised that the yes percentage is so high.

By the way, it is the best use of $10 in my life.

[LG]

zerr wrote:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1478887&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Interesting thread and responses, although I may be opening a can of worms. I am surprised that the yes percentage is so high.

By the way, it is the best use of $10 in my life.


Can't actually see what percentage voted yes- I think you have to be a member (I assume the $10 is the fee?), but there do seem to be a lot of yes replies (including many who guys who'd rather have a pre-op). I'm not sure whether the sample would be representative of society as a whole but it would be interesting to know roughly, how many people are actually INTO T-girls (rather than just willing to date a post-op that looks as good as Harisu and try and forget she used to have a penis)


There are many negatives too though and some very narrow-minded comments made. Here are some comments from that poll that show what TGs are up against:


"I don't make enough to pay for all the psychotherapy these confused bitches probably need."

"If I found out it was a man, I'd kick it's ass because morally I'm not beating up a woman."

"Voted no... mainly because s/he's probably at least a bit mentally fucked."

"I believe transgendered individuals should be treated as if they have a disorder, how is the belief that you are a woman when you are biologically a man any different than the delusional beliefs a paranoid schizophrenic?"

"The very existance of transsexuals offends me. "

I suppose for a TG, these comments, make for pretty deppressing. Unfortunately, intolerance is alive and well...

[Bigguy]

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1478887&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Interesting thread and responses, although I may be opening a can of worms. I am surprised that the yes percentage is so high.
Yep it is interesting to read about what the average person thinks about it.
I came across this one a while back, http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=38332&forum_id=8&cat_id=3&38332.htm

[zerrrr]

Can't actually see what percentage voted yes- I think you have to be a member (I assume the $10 is the fee?), but there do seem to be a lot of yes replies (including many who guys who'd rather have a pre-op). I'm not sure whether the sample would be representative of society as a whole but it would be interesting to know roughly, how many people are actually INTO T-girls (rather than just willing to date a post-op that looks as good as Harisu and try and forget she used to have a penis)

It is $10 to join. Almost 56,000 members and over a million threads. The $10 goes towards paying the monthly server bills and keeping the place running.

As for the results (as of 11:45PM Wednesday night)...

26.38% yes
62.44% no
11.17% maybe

1,935 votes

Deep within the topic is a discussion about how far SRS surgery has come in the last 20 years. Pretty interesting stuff. You get some homophobic comments but that would be expected anytime a thread like that is started in a 'regular' chatroom. I find it interesting that the thread has generated 350 posts in a day and a half and over 26% of the respondants voted yes.

[LBCDO]

Im surprised that it is so high. With the internet, I think more people are developing their desire, or at least figuring out where they are at. There are so many damn people who are undercover. There are so many celebrities that I know for a fact that are certified chasers! It surprised me when I first found out. Next time you bump into a TS at a grocery store or whatever, just observe how many dudes aproach her, and not ot talk shit. Hell, there are guys who find out and are still down for the girls!

[Ecstatic]

A poll was started on Elite Fitness forums http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157289 in July of 2002 asking:

Would you fuck a hot shemale?

Would you have sex with a shemale that's the hottest bitch you've ever seen?

Results as of today:

Yes - 127 - 40.97%
No - 183 - 59.03%

253 posts have been made as recently as March 1, 2005.

Threads: 350,419, Posts: 4,338,668, Members: 88,909

:twisted:

[Tara Emory]

Booble? well I tried that and came up with nothing for Allanah Starr, myself or Joanna Jet, so we can't be mainstream enough if we're not showing up on their search engine. They do have listings for Vicki Richter and Gia Darling though, so maybe we just have to list our URL with them or sumthin'

Stick my name in google however, and you'll be inundated with mainstream porn sites that use my name as a meta tag. You won't find anything about me though on those sites.

-Tara

[Bigguy]

booble isn't much of a search engine. It became popular when google was going after them because their page looked just like google's and there were a few articles about it. I think its just run by one guy and he manually enters in sites and he prefers ones he can add with affiliate links.

[Tara Emory]

yeah, i see.. It looks like I can submit my url though, and they will list my site as long as I link back to them, which is fine.

-Tara

[hondarobot]

I think a big step towards "going mainstream" would be for a good documentary to be produced about the current TS scene. I'm sure something like this has probably been done, and I'm just not aware of. If so, anyone who has info about it, please let me know.

I do know that Vaniity is working on something, but I don't know the details about how much of the community beyond, uh, "Vaniitopia", is involved.

If not. . .well, it should happen. Just the posters here would make kick-ass participants for a documentary:

Allanha, Tara, Vicki, Danielle, Gia, ect, ect. .

[WendyWilliams]

Interesting Tara I typed in my name and I came up along with someone named wicked wendy. Ive never listed myself on there but once I looked at my hits report from my hosting company I receive very little hits if not none from booble search engine. HE isnt apart of my affiliate program however exposure is exposure.

Wendy

[Tara Emory]

Hmm.. Ive actualy done dcoumentaries (in college/video school).

While I want to do some more instense porn films, I have had the itch to do something a little more serious.. Perhaps this is an oppurtunity?

-Tara

[hondarobot]

If I had the financing, I'd be out in NYC and rolling video tomarrow. It's sad to say, but getting capital for something like this is going to be difficult. On the other hand, if it was easy, what fun would that be?

And Tara, a whole documentary could be shot just focusing on your amazing outfits. I don't think I've ever seen clothing before that qualified as legitimate art.

[hillbilly]

Angela's right. A motivated filmmaker can put a film together for next to nothing on their home computer. Heck you could even take a Final Cut class and maybe even have access to lots of equipment for just a few bucks.

The documentry "Southern Comfort" is an amzing low budget film about a FtM.

[hondarobot]

The fundamentals are very cheap, these days, for making a documentary. I already have a 3ccd digital cam, audio and light gear, Sony Vegas Video+DVD, and all the other bells and whistles, but it still takes time and travel.

I work at huge gay nightclub in Minneapolis, so I have access to drag queens and a few TS girls here at home, but the real action is NYC and LA (not to mention Europe, Thailand, South America, and, it seems, Anywhere other than Minneapolis :))and getting there and staying long enough to record good material aint cheap. That's the problem.

Maybe I'll apply for an arts grant. . .

[LBCDO]

Its not that easy. I mean, a sony VX2000 is still going for $2k, then editting, promotion, distribution, etc. etc. etc.

[Felicia Katt]

someone did a documentary that was aired at one of the festivals that cost less than 250.00.

http://romanticmovies.about.com/od/directorinterviews/a/tarnation101504.htm

If you want to make a documentary, and have any kind of computer or video equipment, creativity, not cost, should be all that limits you.

Felicia

[hondarobot]

The thing that guy had going for him was that he used footage he collected over 20 years and just edited it all together. He also had the whole "crazy mother" thing going on, which apparently made for good material (I probably could have worded that nicer, but I haven't seen the movie).

Unfortunately, I don't have Gia, Vaniity, Tara, Vicki, Danielle, and all the other current TS bombshells living with me and always available for recording, so a project is going to cost me a little more then a couple hundred bucks.

I could just load up my gear and hit the road, Jack Kerouac style, hop trains across country and go balls out making the movie or die trying. Actually, if I didn't have to keep an eye on my cats, that would be a pretty fun idea. Oh, and I'd lose my job, I suppose. . .

Where's the anonymous, wealthy benefactors (like in a Charles Dickens story) when you need 'em?

Any millionaires out there? Have you ever dreamed of becoming "executive producers"?

;)

[Tara Emory]

Yeah, I actually could see myself making a film or documentary about something not even connected to the tg thing. If someone else wanted to do that type of thing, I would be available for interview or just for following around with the camera.

-Tara

[hondarobot]

Sweet! Tara is on board (at least so far). The first thing I need to do is make a short list of subjects to interview/follow around for a few days. But, of course, it's still going to require some funds. I'm thinking of pursuing limited financing (I'll take out some ads and keep my fingers crossed), just enough to get a short of maybe 20 minutes long in the can. Then send the short to film fests and hope to attract financing for a feature.

These are the girls, for various reasons, I'd like to approach for interviews this summer (I've kept it all U.S based, at this stage, for logistic reasons):

Gia Darling
Olivia Love
Kimberly Devine
Meghan Chavalier
Lisa Lawrence
Brandy Scott
Barbie Woods
Vaniity
Vicki Richter
Allanha Starr
Danielle Fox
Vo D'Balm

(and, of course, Tara Emory)

That's the short list, narrowed down to a basic 10. I'm not sure how many of them, if any, would be interested, but I'll email em directly after I wrangle some capital.

There's also other people like Joey Silvera, Tom Moore, Bob from Bobs Tgirls, maybe Chi Chi Larue, who would have good input.

Anybody have any ideas? Any additions, subtractions, corrections, etc?

Should I just go jump in a lake and forget this crazy plan?

Throw me a bone, people, I'm dying over here! :)

[texas4000]

.

[Tara Emory]

Yes, the budgets for my two delucious videos were practically nothing, since all the camera work was done by friends and fans, and I didn't pay someone else to edit it. Most of the music was made ona royalty basis, where the composer gets a percentage of profits from the video's sale.. I don't have a big distribution network, but the Centurians/Transformation magazine move quite a few.

Costumes were of course done for by website and my own use, but i guess if you had factored in the cost of the software and the camera i had owned for a couple of years, I guess technically it could cost thousands of dollars.

My next big project will have to have some sort of budget, as the most important thing i need is some serious studio space to dress up as sets like an 18th century French palace...

-Tara

[WendyWilliams]

hmm interesting, LOL

Well since my input was not needed I will give some advice or suggestions if I may.

Not sure why you have Chi Chi Larue listed as she isnt really related to the ts side of porn only the gay side. In fact Chi Chi has pretty much as she told me herself kept her image as a DRAG QUEEN and to the gay side of porn..........So not sure you want to criss cross those avenues of porn.

If you interview Senchai not sure you would need Bob , but you should really interview Kim CHristy who has ALOT of input since she was one of the very first figures to become mainstream through fetish videos and most importantly magazine. She is also a AVN Hall of Fame inductee.


Brandi Woods as she is pretty and did a few videos not sure what she could give to the project except for another pretty face. She really hasnt impacted the industry as entertainers such as Joanna Jet whom you left off your list who deserves to be there MUCH more than quite a few on your list. Joanna Jet did most of the groundwork with AVN to get the recognotion needed.

Individuals like Gia Darling for her longevity (sp) in the field.
Vaniity as the first AVN winner and of course Vicki for 2nd
Would be good to hear from someone old school who pioneered the industry for those like myself who are currently working: Olivia Love, Brandy Scott (not sure she would be easy to work with), and or Meghan Chavalier.

Current girls who are dealing with trying to work in the industry TODAY: Danielle FOx, Vo'D Balm, and myself.

ALLanah who is noted for her Transsexual Parties

Most def. shemaleyum for their long presence on the internet.


Those are just some ideas and input

Wendy

[hondarobot]

OK, I've been getting down to business, crunching numbers, burning the midnight oil, all that manly stuff.

I'll need travel cash. From what I've figured out, an Amtrack rail pass would be the most economical way to go, something like $400 and that gives me access to the whole country (and I'll need it, I'll be going West Coast, East Coast, and points in between).

Food and Lodging while on the road will come to around $1000 total (could be much more or much less, depending on alot of factors).

Expenses beyond that are pretty much booze, cigarettes and digital tape. Hmmm, that could be the name of some future documentary, "Booze, Cigarettes, and Digital Tape."

But I digress. . .

Since I have all the gear, that won't be a cost factor, and I'll do all the post-production work myself.

I'll have to miss some work, but I'm willing to bet I could get this thing shot for around $2000. If I aim for shooting in July, I need to set aside $500/month.

Sounds like a plan.

Oh, and anybody here on HA that throws out some helpful ideas will get their names in the credits.

-Jeff/Hondarobot

P.S. Wendy, I added Chi Chi for a number of reasons, but honestly, it's mainly because she got her start at the club I work at here in Minneapolis, so I could get ahold of her pretty easy through people who were around back then, and she knows alot about the porn biz.

And I left Joanna off the list because there's no way I can afford to get all around the country AND over to England, not without a serious budget.

If she wants to come over here. . .

[joannajet]

Hi,

Getting to me should not be a problem as I travel all of the time and I am often in the same cities as my peers.

All you have to do is ask rather than presume.

Regards,

Joanna Jet
xxx

[WendyWilliams]

Joanna I cant wait to see you, still amazed at HOW wonderful you looked in Vegas.

Wendy

[hondarobot]

I should not have presumed as such, Joanna, you are correct and I apologize. I have sent an email to your yahoo address as well as your Altered States one, and hope to hear from you.

(on a less serious note, Joanna's posting left me with the feeling that I had just been lightly slapped with a ruler by the head mistress, kinda turned me on :))

Jeff/Hondarobot

[HouseHead]

To answer the question about the polls. A truly scientific poll will sample about 800 people. I'm not sure why, but 800 people will most likely give you accurate sample of public opinion...