Crowd Kills Man After Car Hits Child

[Legend]

Has this world come to vigilante mobs becoming judge,jury and execution a really sad story.



AUSTIN, Texas - Police on Wednesday were pleading for witnesses to help them track down members of an angry mob that beat a man to death after the car he was riding in apparently struck and injured a child.

Investigators were struggling to piece together what happened Tuesday when David Rivas Morales died defending the driver from members of a crowd. There could have been anywhere from two to 20 attackers, Austin Police Commander Harold Piatt said.

The car in which Morales, 40, was a passenger had entered an apartment complex's parking lot when it struck a 2-year-old boy, Piatt said. The boy was taken to a hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.

The driver got out of the car to check on the child and was confronted by several people, Piatt said. When they attacked the driver, Morales got out of the car to protect the driver and was attacked as well. Police said no guns or knives were used.

The driver got away and is cooperating with investigators. Police identified the child as Michael Hosea Jr.

There were conflicting accounts of how many people were in the area. Police originally estimated 2,000 to 3,000 and a woman who lives at the complex said hundreds who had been at a Juneteenth festival filled the parking lot and street.

But late Wednesday police spokeswoman Toni Chovanetz said only 20 people were in the area where the assault occurred.

Chovanetz also said there was no connection to the nearby city-sponsored festival for Juneteenth, which commemorates Texas slaves getting the word that they had been freed.

Margaret Morales said a young boy came to her door to tell her that her brother was lying on the ground outside. She found David Morales, sprawled on the pavement 100 feet from her townhouse, battered and choking on blood.

She said her mother came running after hearing her screams, but police wouldn't let either of them get close to him.

Police arrived one minute after receiving a 911 call, by which time the beating had stopped, Chovanetz said. But the Morales family complained that medical help was slow in coming.

Chovanetz said witnesses told police that three or four men attacked Morales, knocking him to the ground. A man got out of another vehicle and hit Morales again, Chovanetz said.

David Morales arrived at the hospital about 35 minutes after the 911 call was received, said Warren Hassinger, Austin-Travis County Emergency Services spokesman. Emergency officials said police ordered them to wait until the area was secure.

Several hundred people had filled the parking lot and street as the daylong festival at a nearby park ended and spilled over into the surrounding neighborhoods, said Katherine White, a Morales family friend who lives in a townhouse next door to where the beating took place.

Margaret Morales said her brother, who was staying with her, was a painter on his way home from work. The driver, whom she knew only as Victor, picked him up and dropped him off everyday, she said.

The Morales family remembered David as a caring brother who loved the San Antonio Spurs and was thrilled when they won the NBA title last week. Earl White, Katherine's brother, said David Morales enjoyed sitting on the porch, watching the neighborhood children play in the parking lot.

"I just want the people caught and brought to justice," another sister, Elizabeth Morales, said. "I want them to feel the same pain that they caused my brother."

[Dkg]

an eye for an eye
a tooth for a tooth

[BlackAdder]

Hey well, its not more or less fair then our current legal system, and makes about as much sense.


Let me clue you in Legend.....This world was all about vigilante mobs LONG before Judge, Jury and Executioner.

[mustang]

I am not proud of that one!!!!!

[Legend]

an eye for an eye
a tooth for a tooth

isn't their something called the justice system pal,this might have been a accident and yet a couple of idiots who acted like they were from the animal kingdom decided that their barbaric reaction was justice.

This isn't the f**king midevil times were crowds decided justice by stoning someone to death this is the 21 first century where we have a thing called due process but in this case that didn't even apply because those morons went after the wrong guy.

[SarahG]

Hey well, its not more or less fair then our current legal system, and makes about as much sense.


Let me clue you in Legend.....This world was all about vigilante mobs LONG before Judge, Jury and Executioner.

The question for any system dealing with law violations is rather the system is there for justice, to preserve order, for revenge, or for redemption as they are all seperate things.... although I suppose a combination of them could and is at times implemented.

Over simplified it goes like this; justice would be if someone gets penalized for doing wrong, and everyone moves on after. With preserving order, the system is there just to make sure there is stability without care to the specifics (think traffic court here; a cop says you are speeding- maybe he has proof maybe he does not, you go before a judge- you say you were not speeding, the cop says you were, the judge goes and believes the cop... all to try to maintain order on the roadways- it is neither justice nor revenge nor redemption). Revenge is alot like Hammurabi's code (eye for an eye or; if someone kills my mom I go and kill them or their mom to "make it even"). With redemption, that would be like- if using the prior example, I went and killed the murderer, his mom, his dad, his siblings, cousins and everyone in his family... because he killed my mom (this is usually the flavor of system "justice" used in certain genres of movies...).

It is worth note the origins of the term vigilante... during the Roman empire, in the city of Rome... the rich, powerful, politicians etc hired these mercenary-like thugs which were called vigilantes... there was no law and order on the streets (not like today where if a cop sees you try to pick pocket; you get arrested), so these elites would hire these vigilantes to basically escort them around the city streets... and often when there were feudes between powerful figures, their vigilantes would end up fighting each other on the streets like an over glorified so-called "civilized" historical version of gang warfare. Quite different from the modern use of the term IMO.

Street justice isn't justice but I would be inclined to agree it is the oldest of the "responses" to certain activities. Of course I would be curious to see what systems if any were employed to handle such issues in north America prior to European contact.... the disadvantages of a lack of a written record :(

[SarahG]

I would add that;


This isn't the f**king midevil times were crowds decided justice by stoning someone to death

Usually even in the dark ages in Europe this would be viewed as unacceptable behavior. They did have a system for handling executions, had trials (or depending on the country and time; a system for handling accusations...). Even during the inquisition people weren't randomly beaten to death on the streets.

That's not to say mob violence didn't occur then and there, all socities have such instances from time to time (some moreso than others....).

[TheOne1]

snitches get stitches

[Quinn]

There have been a couple of instances in NYC over the years where livery cab drivers have been beaten by mobs after hitting pedestrians. To anyone who's seen how these inhuman scumbags drive through neighborhoods, it's an understandable response.

So far as the inception of this thread is concerned, however, it's an extremely unfortunate event.

-Quinn

[ARMANIXXX]

heh.



"Don't Mess With Texas."

[tsntx]

an eye for an eye
a tooth for a tooth

1. the kid had non-life threatening injuries
2. the driver got away
3. the passanger is the one that died

[tsntx]

watching it on the news right now

[downblow]

Has this world come to vigilante mobs becoming judge,jury and execution a really sad story.



AUSTIN, Texas - Police on Wednesday were pleading for witnesses to help them track down members of an angry mob that beat a man to death after the car he was riding in apparently struck and injured a child.

Investigators were struggling to piece together what happened Tuesday when David Rivas Morales died defending the driver from members of a crowd. There could have been anywhere from two to 20 attackers, Austin Police Commander Harold Piatt said.

The car in which Morales, 40, was a passenger had entered an apartment complex's parking lot when it struck a 2-year-old boy, Piatt said. The boy was taken to a hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.

The driver got out of the car to check on the child and was confronted by several people, Piatt said. When they attacked the driver, Morales got out of the car to protect the driver and was attacked as well. Police said no guns or knives were used.

The driver got away and is cooperating with investigators. Police identified the child as Michael Hosea Jr.

There were conflicting accounts of how many people were in the area. Police originally estimated 2,000 to 3,000 and a woman who lives at the complex said hundreds who had been at a Juneteenth festival filled the parking lot and street.

But late Wednesday police spokeswoman Toni Chovanetz said only 20 people were in the area where the assault occurred.

Chovanetz also said there was no connection to the nearby city-sponsored festival for Juneteenth, which commemorates Texas slaves getting the word that they had been freed.

Margaret Morales said a young boy came to her door to tell her that her brother was lying on the ground outside. She found David Morales, sprawled on the pavement 100 feet from her townhouse, battered and choking on blood.

She said her mother came running after hearing her screams, but police wouldn't let either of them get close to him.

Police arrived one minute after receiving a 911 call, by which time the beating had stopped, Chovanetz said. But the Morales family complained that medical help was slow in coming.

Chovanetz said witnesses told police that three or four men attacked Morales, knocking him to the ground. A man got out of another vehicle and hit Morales again, Chovanetz said.

David Morales arrived at the hospital about 35 minutes after the 911 call was received, said Warren Hassinger, Austin-Travis County Emergency Services spokesman. Emergency officials said police ordered them to wait until the area was secure.

Several hundred people had filled the parking lot and street as the daylong festival at a nearby park ended and spilled over into the surrounding neighborhoods, said Katherine White, a Morales family friend who lives in a townhouse next door to where the beating took place.

Margaret Morales said her brother, who was staying with her, was a painter on his way home from work. The driver, whom she knew only as Victor, picked him up and dropped him off everyday, she said.

The Morales family remembered David as a caring brother who loved the San Antonio Spurs and was thrilled when they won the NBA title last week. Earl White, Katherine's brother, said David Morales enjoyed sitting on the porch, watching the neighborhood children play in the parking lot.

"I just want the people caught and brought to justice," another sister, Elizabeth Morales, said. "I want them to feel the same pain that they caused my brother."

Sick group of people who deserve the death penalty themselves.
The kid did not die, nor was he seriously injured.
The driver stopped and offered help. Shows compassion for the victim.
The mob acted like a bunch of mindless animals and when the passenger got out of the car to help his friend he ends up getting killed for his bravery.

I hope you find and arrest every single one of those pieces of trash.
Personally i hope they don't have that festival again because it obviously attracts the sick and fucking demented assholes.
A decent man died for nothing.
I pray god will in someway even the score with those people.

[ARMANIXXX]

I don't know what really happened or the specifics of this case, but I'll say this,


I bet NOBODIES gonna drive around speeding in that neighborhood.

[Legend]

I don't know what really happened or the specifics of this case, but I'll say this,


I bet NOBODIES gonna drive around speeding in that neighborhood.

Why i'm i not surprise you have that kind of ghetto mentality you figure because you cowardly gang up on someone they are suppose to be afraid, the only people that jump on one person is a group of cowards.

[Dkg]

an eye for an eye
a tooth for a tooth

isn't their something called the justice system pal,this might have been a accident and yet a couple of idiots who acted like they were from the animal kingdom decided that their barbaric reaction was justice.

This isn't the f**king midevil times were crowds decided justice by stoning someone to death this is the 21 first century where we have a thing called due process but in this case that didn't even apply because those morons went after the wrong guy.

lol, I wasn't saying that what they did was right. and yes, I do believe in the legal system, for the most part.

[ARMANIXXX]

I don't know what really happened or the specifics of this case, but I'll say this,


I bet NOBODIES gonna drive around speeding in that neighborhood.

Why i'm i not surprise you have that kind of ghetto mentality you figure because you cowardly gang up on someone they are suppose to be afraid, the only people that jump on one person is a group of cowards.


__________________________________________________ __________________________


911 is a Joke

Hit me
Going, going, gone
Now I dialed 911 a long time ago
Don't you see how late they're reactin'
They only come and they come when they wanna
So get the morgue embalm the goner
They don't care 'cause they stay paid anyway
They teach ya like an ace they can't be betrayed
I know you stumble with no use people
If your life is on the line they you're dead today
Late comings with the late comin' stretcher
That's a body bag in disguise y'all betcha
I call 'em body snatchers quick they come to fetch ya?
With an autopsy ambulance just to dissect ya
They are the kings 'cause they swing amputation
Lose your arms, your legs to them it's compilation
I can prove it to you watch the rotation
It all adds up to a funky situation
So get up get, get get down
911 is a joke in yo town
Get up, get, get, get down
Late 911 wears the late crown

911 is a joke

Everyday they don't never come correct
You can ask my man right here with the broken neck
He's a witness to the job never bein' done
He would've been in full in 8 9-11
Was a joke 'cause they always jokin'
They the token to your life when it's croakin'
They need to be in a pawn shop on a
911 is a joke we don't want 'em
I call a cab 'cause a cab will come quicker
The doctors huddle up and call a flea flicker
The reason that I say that 'cause they
Flick you off like fleas
They be laughin' at ya while you're crawlin' on your knees
And to the strength so go the length
Thinkin' you are first when you really are tenth
You better wake up and smell the real flavor
Cause 911 is a fake life saver

So get up, get, get get down
911 is a joke in yo town
Get up, get, get, get down
Late 911 wears the late crown

Ow, ow 911 is a joke


--publicenemy

[Legend]

an eye for an eye
a tooth for a tooth

isn't their something called the justice system pal,this might have been a accident and yet a couple of idiots who acted like they were from the animal kingdom decided that their barbaric reaction was justice.

This isn't the f**king midevil times were crowds decided justice by stoning someone to death this is the 21 first century where we have a thing called due process but in this case that didn't even apply because those morons went after the wrong guy.

lol, I wasn't saying that what they did was right. and yes, I do believe in the legal system, for the most part.

I don't know what the hell you were saying you just posted a old simple phrase that implies justice by any means nessescary which in this case doesn't imply because the guy did nothing wrong.

[Legend]

I don't know what really happened or the specifics of this case, but I'll say this,


I bet NOBODIES gonna drive around speeding in that neighborhood.

Why i'm i not surprise you have that kind of ghetto mentality you figure because you cowardly gang up on someone they are suppose to be afraid, the only people that jump on one person is a group of cowards.


__________________________________________________ __________________________


911 is a Joke

Hit me
Going, going, gone
Now I dialed 911 a long time ago
Don't you see how late they're reactin'
They only come and they come when they wanna
So get the morgue embalm the goner
They don't care 'cause they stay paid anyway
They teach ya like an ace they can't be betrayed
I know you stumble with no use people
If your life is on the line they you're dead today
Late comings with the late comin' stretcher
That's a body bag in disguise y'all betcha
I call 'em body snatchers quick they come to fetch ya?
With an autopsy ambulance just to dissect ya
They are the kings 'cause they swing amputation
Lose your arms, your legs to them it's compilation
I can prove it to you watch the rotation
It all adds up to a funky situation
So get up get, get get down
911 is a joke in yo town
Get up, get, get, get down
Late 911 wears the late crown

911 is a joke

Everyday they don't never come correct
You can ask my man right here with the broken neck
He's a witness to the job never bein' done
He would've been in full in 8 9-11
Was a joke 'cause they always jokin'
They the token to your life when it's croakin'
They need to be in a pawn shop on a
911 is a joke we don't want 'em
I call a cab 'cause a cab will come quicker
The doctors huddle up and call a flea flicker
The reason that I say that 'cause they
Flick you off like fleas
They be laughin' at ya while you're crawlin' on your knees
And to the strength so go the length
Thinkin' you are first when you really are tenth
You better wake up and smell the real flavor
Cause 911 is a fake life saver

So get up, get, get get down
911 is a joke in yo town
Get up, get, get, get down
Late 911 wears the late crown

Ow, ow 911 is a joke


--publicenemy

Your a bigger simpleton then i thought,i'm sure public enemy meant when all else fells jump and kill a guy for no apparent reason,learn what the lyrics mean so you don't take them out of context ever again.

[ARMANIXXX]

As I said,

I don't know the specifics of this,

but perhaps this was a case of "boiling tension" between residents of this neighborhood and "typical" slow responses of Police officers and/or paramedics.



This sort of pro-active "street vigilence" tends to be a symptom of that.

If that is the case, and I admit conjecture on my part, if that's the case though, then my Public Enemy reference would be warranted here.


Sorry you get butt hurt on the internet so easily though.

[tsntx]

Your a bigger simpleton then i thought,i'm sure public enemy meant when all else fells jump and kill a guy for no apparent reason,learn what the lyrics mean so you don't take them out of context ever again.

you expected more from a bible thumping, cock sucking, tranny lovin, hypocrite? really? i expected more from you legend. lol -j

[Legend]

As I said,

I don't know the specifics of this,

but perhaps this was a case of "boiling tension" between residents of this neighborhood and "typical" slow responses of Police officers and/or paramedics.



This sort of pro-active "street vigilence" tends to be a symptom of that.

If that is the case, and I admit conjecture on my part, if that's the case though, then my Public Enemy reference would be warranted here.


Sorry you get butt hurt on the internet so easily though.


You don't know the specifics yet somehow you tie this in with police or ambulance not showing up LOL that's really f**king laugable,ok there not showing up so lets kill a guy please STFU.Please stop with this ghetto tough guy shit.

[Legend]

Your a bigger simpleton then i thought,i'm sure public enemy meant when all else fells jump and kill a guy for no apparent reason,learn what the lyrics mean so you don't take them out of context ever again.

you expected more from a bible thumping, cock sucking, tranny lovin, hypocrite? really? i expected more from you legend. lol -j

LOL He really is a f**king joke!

[Nooksack]

Not sure what to make of this other than the fact that the people who killed the passenger should all be lined up in front of their families and shot themselves. What good can come out of beating a man to death for trying to protect someone who didn't even mean to do what happened?

Once again, we find out that stupidity rules the world and the price is the life of a man trying to do the right thing. Pitiful.

[ARMANIXXX]

Your a bigger simpleton then i thought,i'm sure public enemy meant when all else fells jump and kill a guy for no apparent reason,learn what the lyrics mean so you don't take them out of context ever again.

you expected more from a bible thumping, cock sucking, tranny lovin, hypocrite? really? i expected more from you legend. lol -j

LOL He really is a f**king joke!


__________________________________________________ _____________________________


I will not return your insults Mr. Legend.



As an exerpt from article you quoted :

Police arrived one minute after receiving a 911 call, by which time the beating had stopped, Chovanetz said. But the Morales family complained that medical help was slow in coming.




It would seem my assumptions may not fall too far from the tree....................Just maybe.

[Legend]

[quote=Legend]

Your a bigger simpleton then i thought,i'm sure public enemy meant when all else fells jump and kill a guy for no apparent reason,learn what the lyrics mean so you don't take them out of context ever again.

you expected more from a bible thumping, cock sucking, tranny lovin, hypocrite? really? i expected more from you legend. lol -j

LOL He really is a f**king joke!


__________________________________________________ _____________________________


I will not return your insults Mr. Legend.



As an exerpt from article you quoted :

Police arrived one minute after receiving a 911 call, by which time the beating had stopped, Chovanetz said. But the Morales family complained that medical help was slow in coming.




It would seem my assumptions may not fall too far from the tree....................Just maybe.

"Don't Mess With Texas."

"I bet NOBODIES gonna drive around speeding in that neighborhood"

"911 is a Joke"

Now you read it and flip flop it in your favor STFU

[Cat]

an eye for an eye
a tooth for a tooth
Even when it's a mistake?

The world isn't as black and white as that proverb.

[ARMANIXXX]

"Don't Mess With Texas."

"I bet NOBODIES gonna drive around speeding in that neighborhood"

"911 is a Joke"

Now you read it and flip flop it your favor STFU

__________________________________________________ _______________________________




It's just the internet buddy.

Just the internet.

[Legend]

Whatever

[laoda8]

Howsabout we all start taking advice from the iranian justice system. He really should have deserved to be buried up by the neck and bludgeoned.

f***ing idiots, people who do this kind of law without order nonsense should have a taste of their own medicine and have a trial without a jury.

[BlackAdder]

Damn, they killed the passenger?? Man, thats some messed up shit....And the kid wasnt even hurt??

Yeesh....im all for vigilantism, but this was more a mob riot then any kind of vigilante act.

[PhillyTSlover]

snitches get stitches

You must be a stupid nigger like the ones in Philly killing each other daily. I hope you get shot in the head someday. :)

[Legend]

snitches get stitches

You must be a stupid nigger like the ones in Philly killing each other daily. I hope you get shot in the head someday. :)

Was that use of the n word necessary.

[BlackAdder]

Snitches do get stiches though....

[Legend]

Snitches do get stiches though....

That's the mentality of a criminal or thug.

[trish]

Damn, they killed the passenger?? Man, thats some messed up shit....And the kid wasnt even hurt??

Yeesh....im all for vigilantism, but this was more a mob riot then any kind of vigilante act.

Vigilantism is stepping outside the law to punish a percieved criminal. It involves sidestepping legal due process. If there is a vigilante trail, it's only a farce as it is known before it starts the verdict will be guilty. There's no difference between mob rule and vigilante rule. In both the innocent are presumed guilty and the guilty are presumed guilty. Both put on full display the ugly side of human nature.

[BlackAdder]

Well, we all know your mentality Legend lol....>Points to avatar.. Granted, I can geek out with the best of them but cmon Legend...your posts have a ring to them, know what im saying?

I have the "how things work in the real world" mentality cause Ive dealt with some shit.


Legal due process is complete bullshit...dont even try and argue it with me because youll fall on deaf ears....4 years at Temple in the criminal justice program, 1 year working with montco children&youth, 2 years working with Phila PD and a NPO on juvenile crime.....In '98 i went into business administration and never looked back..

The Rule of Law is a JOKE. Its been the Rule of Man since time immemorial and it always will be. Racist cops looking to make a name, Prosecutors with chips on there shoulders or running for political office, judges that are *crazy* on the bench....fuck out of here!!!

Those with power and money beat the system and the disenfranchised get crushed under the wheels.

[HeHateMe]

It was a typical Juneteenth celebration in Texas!

[SarahG]

Those with power and money beat the system and the disenfranchised get crushed under the wheels.

That is because the system is in place solely to preserve order- it only needs the illusion of justice.

We have to ask ourselves what we want the judicial system to be and why it is there... to think it is only about justice is delusional... but perhaps that isn't necessarily a bad thing. In some ways, Hobbs was right.

[lewdguppy]

wow 4 pages of mudslinging, flaming and insults

I tell you this: check the name of the guy killed and his driving companion....

then: check the place where it has happened....

add up, not that hard: plain ol' racism

if that driver and his pal had been of the good ol' Aryan brotherhood crowd or at least looked the part it wouldn't have happened this way

but they looked probably "Mexican"

and it's all the rage these days; if it isn't gay-bashing it's goin' after the "Mexicans", cause of the media-hype that somehow the states are "invaded by the Latino horde of illegal aliens"

wich wouldn't happen at all if there weren't a couple of million entrepeneurs ready to hire immigrants for slave wages to do dirty jobs and then complain when those people actually DO show up tryin' to get a job.
amazing, but I digress

end of story.


the sheer stupidity and nastiness of "my fellow men" keeps pushing me more and more towards the animal kingdom
at least with animals you know where you stand :twisted: