Photo shooting in the Philippines. Just back

[GroobySteven]

I've just got back from a trip to Manila at the weekend (read a day by day at http://www.grooby.com/blog/ if your interested) and was going to write a post on why we don't see more sites shooting there, when my good friend Ecstatic announced his new site from there!

Anyway, I still thought I'd share my thoughts on Filipino content in case any affiliates wanted to try some Asian promotions which were specific to that or people were interested in content from there. We've been getting content from the PI for years through Frank and Jud and a while back there was a shit load of Filipino content coming out but it seems like recently, all the quality sites are shooting 100% Thai.
It's much harder shooting the girls in the PI (no bars/clubs, hotels a bit more suspicious) but once you have them in the room, it's very easy. Why? They all speak great English, take very little hormones and can cum super easy. We haven't done any hardcore there yet like we have in Thailand but we'll look into it for the future.
The girls are very different looking to Thai girls. From the models below, Joanna was nearly 100% European, Jessica was the most Asian being 1/2 Filipino and 1/2 Korean and the other girls were all mixes (Maui actually looks like she's from Maui). Many of them speak great English so I got good interviews with them and many speak Japanese also, so if anyone is promoting to Japanese sites let me know and I'll have some clips made for you.

Overall the girls aren't quite as feminine as the Thai girls but their other attributes might encourage those looking for a different type of Asian shemale - or those who just want something different from the Thais.

If any blog owners or websites would be interested in doing some Filipino specific promotions, email me and we can talk about some content and such - I think it could be a good angle to try.
Anybody else have thoughts?

Thanks
Steven

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http://www.grooby.com/promo/annax.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/anna.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/ayax.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/aya.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/applex.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/apple.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/ginax.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/gina.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/jessicax.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/jessica.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/joannex.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/joanne.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/kristix.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/kristi.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/mauix.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/maui.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/mayumix.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/mayumi.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/naomix.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/naomi.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/shynax.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/shyna.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/xanellex.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/xannelle.jpg)

[DeathFox]

"Overall the girls aren't quite as feminine."
^
I resent that statement. You just don't know where to look for girly shemales in our country. :twisted:

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

"Overall the girls aren't quite as feminine."

I resent that statement. You just don't know where to look for girly shemales in our country. :twisted:

I agree! Seanchai you need to hook up with a ladyboy in the PI who knows the ins and outs where to find these girls like (colleges and universities) and can take you to pageants in different parts of Manila to recruit beautiful filipina transexuals.

Filipina transexuals are more on the dl compared to Thai's. You'd defnitely wont see them hanging around bars. Dance clubs maybe and gay bars (since we dont have tg bars in Manila). Try Malate. I'm quite positive you'll see alot down there. Also there are the giant malls like Gloriatta, SM Mega Mall, Shangrila Plaza, Robinson's Ermita etc. Why not hold a beauty contest? Hold auditions (like the Japanese do)? Put an Ad at a local newspaper? Girls will come out if there's a handsome prize awaiting them..say a one year modelling contract and spread with grooby for all 12 finalist? LOL

~Kisses.

HTG

[DeathFox]

Wait... Hara is from the Philippines???

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Wait... Hara is from the Philippines???

Yep I am! ;) LOL

~Kisses.

HTG

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Wait... Hara is from the Philippines???

Yep I am! ;) LOL

~Kisses.

HTG

And, a damn fine woman!!! :rock2

[DJ_Asia]

ive had the pleasure of spending private time with 4 PI girls..2 in the states and 2 here in Thailand...oddly all 4 were very aggresive tops,and were into a little kink as well which suits me just swell.

The Thai girls I know(and I know a few)are predominantly bottoms and kink factor is almost non existent...

Given the social attitudes between the cultures I would think just the opposite.

[johnie]

Does the lack of "openness" among the Philipino girls come from that fact that their country is overall more socially conservative than Thailand? I believe the predominant religion in the Philipines is Catholic and attitudes towards sexual freedom are generally lower than the "free spirited" Thais.

Interesting that someone noted that as soon as the Philipino girl was behind closed doors her kinky side came out in full swing. Yet more proof that societies with conservative sexual views are really the "freakiest" among us. The sexually liberated Thais are not as freaky behind closed doors, possibly because they have acceptable sexual outlets.

Just my thoughts.....

[Ecstatic]

Hey, thanks for the comment, seanchai! I greatly appreciate it. It was quite a kick to find out that you were shooting in the PI as we were preparing to launch. I like what I'm seeing, and I hope that between us and maybe a couple other sites (DJ?) we'll see more lovely Filipinas than we have in the past. The potential is there. BTW, I am signed up as an affiliate for all the grooby sites and am promoting them on the new site. We have an affiliate program set up (50% payout). We don't have deep pockets, but we are investing and want to build the site to be profitable and also to help the girls promote themselves.

Regarding the look of the Filipina girls, well, there's some truth in what you say, but I think primarily because Thai kathoey are so very feminine to begin with, and are predominantly Asian (though as you know better than I there are several major regions in Thailand with very different types, such as the Chinese intermarriages especially I think in the north and the Laotian/Thai mix along the Mekong River border country), whereas the Filipino population has mingled much more extensively with Europeans (Portuguese and Spanish and American), plus historically going back some 2000 years are a mix of Pacific Islander and Chinese as well. It largely goes to what you find desirable. I've always favored Thais myself, but the Filipinas combine a sense of shy innocence with raw sex that is quite compelling. And the preference to top or be versatile seems to be much higher than among the Thai.

But I also agree with Hara and Deathfox, there are many very beautiful Filipina tgirls, and I think between us we will be showcasing many of them. Hara, I am indeed working with one of the top ladyboys in the PI, Aubrey, who is based in Cebu and manages her own club as well as being a very actively touring escort who visits Bangkok, Singapore, Hong Kong, Beijing, and other key cities. She knows "all the girls" as it were. She's a great gal, and enjoys being dominant in bed (not that I know this personally...yet....lol)

As discussed in "The TG connection between the spirit and the flesh" (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=21338), there is no term for transsexual or transgender or even gay in the PI; the loose and rather offensive generic term is bakla, but we will not be using that term anywhere on the site (except maybe in the keywords) because it is offensive. The tgirls there seem to favor the imported term "ladyboy" as less offensive.

Anyway, best of luck with the new content, seanchai. I hope that they bring in lots of members. I won't threadjack by posting sample pics here, but I will be posting more elsewhere in the forum. (hint)

[Ecstatic]

Does the lack of "openness" among the Philipino girls come from that fact that their country is overall more socially conservative than Thailand? I believe the predominant religion in the Philipines is Catholic and attitudes towards sexual freedom are generally lower than the "free spirited" Thais.

Interesting that someone noted that as soon as the Philipino girl was behind closed doors her kinky side came out in full swing. Yet more proof that societies with conservative sexual views are really the "freakiest" among us. The sexually liberated Thais are not as freaky behind closed doors, possibly because they have acceptable sexual outlets.

Just my thoughts.....
Johnie, I think you're basically right. The PI is heavily influenced both by 350 years of Spanish rule and by being 95% Roman Catholic, so it is a very conservative country. Thailand is conservative, too, but in its own way: public displays of love are frowned upon there as in most Asian countries, afaik. But the Filipinas do like to get their freak on behind closed doors.

[juliana_dominguez]

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[GroobySteven]

hrmm i wonder when can i do my set? im sure it'll be super nice!

Frank is there this week? Want to work with him - he's ready to shoot you.
PM me!

seanchai

[GroobySteven]

"Overall the girls aren't quite as feminine."

I resent that statement. You just don't know where to look for girly shemales in our country. :twisted:

I agree! Seanchai you need to hook up with a ladyboy in the PI who knows the ins and outs where to find these girls like (colleges and universities) and can take you to pageants in different parts of Manila to recruit beautiful filipina transexuals.


I was with some university girls and I met girls from all over. They are not as feminine as Thai girls - even most of the PI girls I spoke to agreed with that. It's not a put down - there were many beautiful PI TS's so don't start getting all over-protective, I've seen more TS's worldwide than most people have.
The reason the Thais are more feminine, is that many start hormones at way to young an age, retarding their body growth and also stopping hair growth, softening features etc.
I spotted girls in malls, in Malate everywhere, etc. They're not more on the DL than Thailand, they're prevalent in both countries.

seanchai

[fitz207]

:shock: Will these girls be on lb-lb or franks site seanchai??

[GroobySteven]

Ladyboy-Ladyboy.com - the logo is on them - only Frank shoots for Franks-Tgirlworld.com

Ta
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[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I was with some university girls and I met girls from all over. They are not as feminine as Thai girls - even most of the PI girls I spoke to agreed with that. It's not a put down - there were many beautiful PI TS's so don't start getting all over-protective, I've seen more TS's worldwide than most people have.
The reason the Thais are more feminine, is that many start hormones at way to young an age, retarding their body growth and also stopping hair growth, softening features etc.
I spotted girls in malls, in Malate everywhere, etc. They're not more on the DL than Thailand, they're prevalent in both countries.

seanchai

Not at all. I dont think I was being over-protective. I'm just saying..You said it yourself that you were with some university girls and you met girls from all over. It doesnt sound right to "generalize" based on a few "some" you've met here and there.

Like Thailand we have alot of tg population all over the country (Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao. The PI has 7,100 islands). And like Thailand the breeds of filipina tg's are getting better simply because every girl starts younger and younger each year. Mostly were influenced by TG pagents which are held all over the country. We even have a televised national one's just like Thailand. And people as young as 3 are exposed to them. That's what I meant. ;)

And by DL, I meant that the PI doesnt have tg bars where girls can hang out and or prey for expats/foreigners and work as escorts. Not DL as in they dont go out of the house and be exposed out in public places. Most Filipina tg's are somewhat conservative while out in public unlike their other asian counterpart. Thai girls that's got their own hooking street/district where sex was their main trade and or source of living.

Surely you canot draw out a conclusion based on the small "type/calibre of girls" you've met and the lenght of your stay in the PI vs. you living in Thailand a few months out of a year. Come on! LOL How come Ecstatic's met "provincial" based tgirls and yet they look alot better (polished?) than your find in Manila which was supposedly the main hub of advanced transitioned/transitioning ts'es who goes to reputable colleges/universities and or working as showgirls in Japan? :?

Again, If you were solely refering to the ones you've met then I agree (After Ive seen their pictures). ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Opp's double post!

[Ecstatic]

One quick note Hara: I wish it were otherwise, but I have not met these girls, at least in person, though I have (in some cases very often) correspond with them via email and IM. I have loose plans to travel to the PI (and Thailand, a long time dream) perhaps late this year and of course do a lot of photoshoots while I'm there.

[GroobySteven]

Not at all. I dont think I was being over-protective. I'm just saying..You said it yourself that you were with some university girls and you met girls from all over. It doesnt sound right to "generalize" based on a few "some" you've met here and there.

Like Thailand we have alot of tg population all over the country (Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao. The PI has 7,100 islands). And like Thailand the breeds of filipina tg's are getting better simply because every girl starts younger and younger each year. Mostly were influenced by TG pagents which are held all over the country. We even have a televised national one's just like Thailand. And people as young as 3 are exposed to them. That's what I meant. ;)

And by DL, I meant that the PI doesnt have tg bars where girls can hang out and or prey for expats/foreigners and work as escorts. Not DL as in they dont go out of the house and be exposed out in public places. Most Filipina tg's are somewhat conservative while out in public unlike their other asian counterpart. Thai girls that's got their own hooking street/district where sex was their main trade and or source of living.

Surely you canot draw out a conclusion based on the small "type/calibre of girls" you've met and the lenght of your stay in the PI vs. you living in Thailand a few months out of a year. Come on! LOL How come Ecstatic's met "provincial" based tgirls and yet they look alot better (polished?) than your find in Manila which was supposedly the main hub of advanced transitioned/transitioning ts'es who goes to reputable colleges/universities and or working as showgirls in Japan? :?

Again, If you were solely refering to the ones you've met then I agree (After Ive seen their pictures). ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

What a bunch of stupid racist comments you come out with Hara. First of all, there were more streetwalkers in Manila than Thailand, much more and they were dressed far less conservatively than the streetwalkers in Thailand (with the exception of certain area of Pattaya and Phuket). I met around 20 Filipino Tgirls on this trip and have met maybe another 30 worldwide over the past 10 yrs - which is quite a large amount. I stated I met some students - others were call center girls, working girls (prostitutes) and girls who stayed at home working with their familes. Some came from the country, some from the city. Many had travelled abroad.

Ecstatic has never met any PI girls outside the US. I'm not going to be so crass as to compare his girls to the ones I shot. They are all beautiful. I've seen maybe sets of 200 different PI girls over the past few years and most were great.
The fact stands, they're not as feminine as Thai girls. That's my professional opinion and I guarantee I've met more tgirls than you.

It's little wonder people take you as a joke when your head is stuck so far up your arse, you can't smell the shit the you spout. There is no reason to feel like your a victim because your Filipino (didn't you used to claim you were Japanese?). In my opinion, Filipino girls as beautiful as they are, as stunning as they are and as much as I love them on my sites (and in person) are not as feminine as Thai girls. Every photographer I know who works in both countries, feels the same.

seanchai

[juliana_dominguez]

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[Realgirls4me]

Whew! When I saw "shooting" in the topic heading, I thought it was as in "bang-bang,pow-pow" as with a firearm. ...I thought I had maybe missed something in the news today.

Don't startle me like that, Sean.

;)

[GroobySteven]

You didn't see the "photo" word before shooting.... :roll: :twisted:

(ahem)

[Realgirls4me]

You didn't see the "photo" word before shooting.... :roll: :twisted:

(ahem)

Nope. I guess I didn't. "Shooting" trumped everything. ...As far as familiar phrases go, I would be one looking to utilize "Photo Shoot" in such a case, but hey, that's moi.


:)

[GroobySteven]

You didn't see the "photo" word before shooting.... :roll: :twisted:

(ahem)

Nope. I guess I didn't. "Shooting" trumped everything. ...As far as familiar phrases go, I would be one looking to utilize "Photo Shoot" in such a case, but hey, that's moi.


:)

Nah just joking, I edited it after I saw your post :-)
I did see a shit load of guns in the PI, even the security guards in Starbucks had them and every hotel or bar (and shopping mall) I went, I was stopped and felt for a gun. Not unlike parts of Brazil.
seanchai


seanchai

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

What a bunch of stupid racist comments you come out with Hara. First of all, there were more streetwalkers in Manila than Thailand, much more and they were dressed far less conservatively than the streetwalkers in Thailand (with the exception of certain area of Pattaya and Phuket). I met around 20 Filipino Tgirls on this trip and have met maybe another 30 worldwide over the past 10 yrs - which is quite a large amount. I stated I met some students - others were call center girls, working girls (prostitutes) and girls who stayed at home working with their familes. Some came from the country, some from the city. Many had travelled abroad.

Ecstatic has never met any PI girls outside the US. I'm not going to be so crass as to compare his girls to the ones I shot. They are all beautiful. I've seen maybe sets of 200 different PI girls over the past few years and most were great.
The fact stands, they're not as feminine as Thai girls. That's my professional opinion and I guarantee I've met more tgirls than you.

It's little wonder people take you as a joke when your head is stuck so far up your arse, you can't smell the shit the you spout. There is no reason to feel like your a victim because your Filipino (didn't you used to claim you were Japanese?). In my opinion, Filipino girls as beautiful as they are, as stunning as they are and as much as I love them on my sites (and in person) are not as feminine as Thai girls. Every photographer I know who works in both countries, feels the same.

seanchai

LOL I wasnt even actually intending to argue with you Seanchai. But seing as the Almighty Hugh Hefner of trannies talk about something he has complete no utter knowledge about..It's pathetic!

First of all, I grew up there. I grew up within the tg filipino community back in the PI. So how could you insist you knew more about filipina tg's? Claiming they arent as feminine as the Thai girls? That is you talking out of your ass with what 20, 30 or so pinay tg's you've met?. :roll:

So you've met 20 in your last trip and 30 more filipnina tg's world wide. I have met thousands..3 thousand to be exact at one point at a national TG beauty contest. Girls coming from all over 7,100 islands from Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao. Met them all starting from the prelims to finals. Girls of all shape, color, height weight, stages of transition etc. So to insist and that your generalization was more accurate than mine is simply retarded at best. It's ignorant! I had alot of respect for you up unti, now because you're the one who is being a racist. Your biased nature is unprecedented. You keep comparing Thai girls with Filipina girls but why? What is there to compare? I never once mentioned nor recall having mentioned anything bad againts Thai girls. I just said that to draw out conclusion based on your minuscule experience meeting filipina tg's was wrong. Yes you continued to profess your arrogance and bigotry to save face...Pleasee!

And what's this about "With the exception of Pattaya and Phuket"? You dont even need to combine the two cities cos between Pattaya, Phuket and Manila..Manila would come in a shy 3rd as far as tg street walkers. Chew on that and digest it! This is where you're position and reputation as a tg world connoisseur comes into question. Sorry to burst your bubble. If you felt offended let me tell you now that responding to your post I actually never meant any harm. It's just discussion and varying opinions like beauty is subjective and varied from one person to the next. There are plentiful beautiful and likewise ugly people of every race. That's just called variety.

And nope. I dont feel like a victim at all contrary to what you might have thought. I was just stating facts through personal experience with my strong opinion upon yours. Also FYI, I never once claimed I was Japanese. You're confusing my handle here on HA to be my heritage which is NOT! I've always stated that I am a mix of Chinese-Filipino and Spanish heritage. So you are highly misinformed..go check your data and facts before throwing something to my face you cannot support yourself! Proves how much you knew nothing about me and or filipina tg's. :evil:

Furthermore, These filipina tgirls might not be the best but they are unaltered. No surgeries but maybe hormones. I think hey all got great potentials to look as fab as the ones below.

http://www.grooby.com/promo/annax.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/anna.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/ayax.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/aya.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/applex.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/apple.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/ginax.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/gina.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/jessicax.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/jessica.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/joannex.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/joanne.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/kristix.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/kristi.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/mauix.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/maui.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/mayumix.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/mayumi.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/naomix.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/naomi.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/shynax.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/shyna.jpg)
http://www.grooby.com/promo/xanellex.jpg (http://www.grooby.com/promo/xannelle.jpg)

In additon to the above. Does these filipina ladyboys look unfeminine to you?

http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/aubrey1_15_577.jpg
http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/chanel28_110.jpg
http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/trisha44_179.jpg
http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/allyana02_152.jpg

Oh but wait! Here's what you've said:


I'm not going to be so crass as to compare his girls to the ones I shot. They are all beautiful. I've seen maybe sets of 200 different PI girls over the past few years and most were great.


Right (sounded like you just swallowed what you've said earlier huh?)! So now it's 200 (sets) over the past few years. :lol: So meaning 200 filipina "tg sets" but not in person? Way to draw out a conclusion..Ha! LOL You give me a headache Seanchai. LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[TJT]

I don't know about the Pinay tg's,but if you're looking for Asian gg's with boobs and back,Filipinas are the way to go.

[hondarobot]

A real Fight Club match begins, it would seem.

:shock:

And it kinda sucks because I was going to start posting some cool Youtube clips I found tonight, like the original Australian soundtrack Mad Max opening sequence. But the battles continue.

:P

[mikie49]

Damn! the one riding the rail! MY OH MY, THAT SURE IS GOOD!!!!

[DeathFox]

Damn! the one riding the rail! MY OH MY, THAT SURE IS GOOD!!!!

:evil:

[Tanuki]

Hormones? thats a great idea!!!! It would be so much easier to change boys into girls with hormones rather than spending all that time glueing penis' onto females. I always wondered how they went to the bathroom with those things glued on down there.

[GroobySteven]

Ok (deep breath and previously removed post).
I apologise for losing my temper with you Hara.
Let me try to explain why your incorrect in having a go at me for stating that "Filipino TG's are not as feminine as Thai TG's", why in my opinion your statement is racist and why I'm more qualified to talk about this subject - but ultimately how it's a matter of my professional and personal views on the masses amount of content I have seen and girls I have met over the years.

1. Your argument that I haven't seen every TS in the PI but seen many in Thailand is worthless. I've seen a good representation over the years of many PI and many Thai transgenders. Although this was my first trip to the PI, I met girls from various backgrounds. Some were first timers and some were very popular entertainment girls in Japan. I met and worked with 20 personally. I've also seen 100's of models shoots which we've paid for. I think thats a pretty fair representation of models and not just 2 or 3.

2. It's factual from everybody I've spoken to either in the PI or across the internet that Filipino TG's don't start hormones as early as many Thai TG's. I think this is a good thing - as I stated, the Thai girls starting them pre-puberty or at puberty are stunting their growth as well as other health issues. Hormones feminise. Stating that Filipino TG's aren't as feminine is a fair point. They have more body hair and facial hair than Thais for start which could be be genetic or hormonal, they have stronger physical features than the rounder Thai features (probably genetic) which lead to a beautiful look but not as feminine. I'm not comparing femininity with beauty, I'm stating that their overall appearance is not as feminine as the Thais.

3. I've never met any photographer, or any individual who works or dates girls from both country who would disagree with me. I'm not talking about beauty pageants and shows. We're talking girl in the street, girl working in the store, girl working at the hotel.

4. Streetwalking. Your statement "Most Filipina tg's are somewhat conservative while out in public unlike their other asian counterpart. Thai girls that's got their own hooking street/district where sex was their main trade and or source of living." Stinks of racism to me and if you don't understand why, then maybe you better take a trip back to Manila and then Bangkok. Pattaya and Phuket are exceptional (as is Subic so I heard). I saw Filipino streetwalkers in Malate, around the Oriental Hotel, etc. They could in no way be called "conservative" in the way they dress. I don't have a problem with that but don't believe all Thai ladyboys are streetwalkers. There are as many in day to day jobs as prostitution, just like I suspect in the Philippines.

5. The girls on PIladyboy look more polished as they look like they've had pro-makeup artists in and chosen the more polished types of girls (as well as retouched heavier then we tend to). I think they're great but on my sites, I prefer to show more of the girl next door look. There is something for everyone. Any of the girls I shot, with professional makeup and some further retouching would look as good as them. Frank's images who is far better at lighting than I, will show that.

6. You could have seen a million Filipino TS's and you still not as qualified. Watching girls on pageants and in darkened rooms is very different to having a naked body in front of you, under bright photography lights. I've seen girls all over the world and viewed them objectively and as I can imagine will see them.

Simply put, Filipino TS's in the Philippines, in my opinion, are not as feminine as Thai TS's in Thailand.
I've never claimed to be the Hugh Hefner of trannies and to state that I have "no utter knowledge" of shows how unwilling you are to listen to someone else point of view. You felt you needed to defend your counties TS's from something that wasn't a put down, your not objective, you felt the need to then attack both me and the models I had shot in Manila as they're not to your taste.

(BTW at least 4 of them had breast jobs and most had some sort of FFS or silicone/collagen injections)

I apologise for my assumption that you claimed that you were Japanese. I was sure that when you originally appeared under the name "Geisha" on Shemale Yum and that you continued to take a Japanese handle elsewhere - and that I remember you presenting yourself as part-Japanese elsewhere (no I don't have a copy just a good memory) that you were in-fact, part Japanese. My mistake for not asking you first.

I'm not going to continue fighting with you on this, your entitled to your opinion however wrong I think it is and however subjective it must be. I stand by my views. I'll certainly go back and continue to shoot the many excellent ladyboys in the Philippines and continue to both enjoy shooting them and find them easier to shoot than Thai models.

seanchai

[DeathFox]

Group Hug!!!

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Ok so lets clear this up:

The name Geisha was a "club name" Ive used since moving to NYC/NJ area from MN. If I recalled correctly, It was NOT Geisha yum used initially and that upsets me and called Tony Vee to changed it asap! I didnt want my real girl name be associated with any shemale site for personal reason.

Again, There was NO claim from me officially saying I was part Japanese. I recalled one instance where Moronica Foxx said I claimed to be Japanese which ofcourse like what I told you just awhile ago I also told her. Online handles and people like her who is kinda slow on the pick up could spread untrue rumours leading people like you who might have read it previously on her old forum way way back to be true. But it's NOT!

as for no1. I never said your views were worthless. I stated that you've only met 20 from your last trip and not a very good batch at that plus 30 some worldwide as youve previously typed not including 200 photo sets of Filipina ladyboys..generally STILL NOT a sure fire way to measure up filipina tg's in general. That's all. I just felt you are short-changins tgirls in the PI.

2. Actually, If you've spoken to any filipina ladyboys themselves..you would know that hormones in the PI is over the counter. Therefore, it's easy access to any tg to get ahold of. So again, maybe the small percentage you spoke to started way after their teens? But my batch from varied school all started young (12/13/14) and our predecesors and theirs started even earlier because of "influence". The last times I was there visiting relatives were back in '99, then 2000 and 2001 respectively where I went Mall hopping with a gay guy friend and saw teener tg's all over different malls with long hair, short skirts, very little make up, some hormones and they all look fish. Like a typical asian girls/women..small framed and petite.

3. Photogs of how many? Cant really summarized "filipina tg's are mostly unfemminine" either.

4. Like I said, Back when was visiting. I went to all the places you and I mentioned. I never saw a single transexual street walkers and Malate is known for alot of prostitutes. All the prostitues I ever saw was women and men hustlers (call boys?). Maybe times flew so fast and now its 2007 with the revolution of the internet and God knows how much a computer cost in the PI..people couldnt afford one for their home hence there are alot of internet cafe which rents pc's by the hour. Computer age and the internet has revolutionized some filipina tg's to work as escorts, street walkers, cam girls etc. in the past 3-4 years. Meanwhile, Thai tgirls were already ahead of Filpina tgirls in that department early on. It wasnt a racist comment but a fact! :P

5. No contest. I agree. Being polished is always a good thing. Im sure most girls would agree. ;)

6. That's when you're wrong. See here's the thing. Seing these girls without make up just wearing jeans and tshirt rehearsing stage blocking day in and out, working on production number choreography, dress rehersals not to mention being with them as a contestant and seing them upclose and personal on stage with giant glamour lights and off I would know alot better if one was femme or not so much. Does that make any sense? femininity isnt masked when were all outdoors in natural lighting goofing around etc.

So you think Filipina lady boys arent as femme as Thai's? But who really cares? Like Ive said that's what you think and I on the other hand think filipina tg's are at par with the Thai's. Again, beauty, feminineness etc. are all subjective. There's always a tgirl for each adoring men.

No Seanchai. I am listening. Some points you've made makes sense (So I wont bother disputing them) and others I just dont buy. We cant kill eachother now cant we? LOL :lol:

Ok glad we got this sorted out! ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[PatrickFromNYC]

WOW....I would love to see this !! Juliana Dominguez is world class cute :D