Guys? What worries you about TS's

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

But my limited experience of TS's is a fucked up one, the ones I met are crazy, and in the worst case are really crossdressers pretending to be transsexuals.

LOL :lol: Damn, Let it go Sil and move on.
Same rant different thread. :roll:

~Kisses.

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[TJ347]

jeez, hope this makes sense to someone :cry:

If you can only hope it makes sense to someone else, that means it shouldn't be a thread, I believe. :smh

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

LOL :lol: Damn, Let it go Sil and move on.


Let what go?

:lol: Im soo tired and lacking some sleep yet I understood pretty well what you wrote? Did you? LOL


But my limited experience of TS's is a fucked up one, the ones I met are crazy, and in the worst case are really crossdressers pretending to be transsexuals.

Let go of your animosity/grudge or whatever you call it..grrr :evil: Do I have to spell it out for you?
Let go of your bitter feelings about your past bad experiences meeting blokes who "thinks" they were transexuals and move on.

That's all. ;)

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[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Yes I do agree 101%. Girls gotta eat (no matter if one looks like a chimpanzee, a duck or a fly). LOL Also, please note that taste of men varies and beauty is subjective. What others find pretty you might find manly and replusive. So what are you going to do?

You can live and let live. Let other men oggle at trannies not your type and vice versa.

~Kisses.

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[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Mark on her wrist? I'm lost. Are doctors now "tagging" transexuals from birth? How would they know if an infant is really a transexual when he or she grows up? Or are you saying a real TS must be suicidal (and attempts to slash her wrist to prove it)? While it is true that there is a large number of emotionally and mentally unstable ts'es..It's not true for everyone. You just had some bad luck.

On the side note: As far as Porn and escorting goes..Atleast it's not like they are robbing banks, stealing cars, mugging people etc. The girls are just trying to make a living and live the life they think would make them happier, right? ;)

~Kisses.

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[bklynboy]

Here's the deal.

I dated and fell in love with a t-girl. We had a four-year relationship before she passed away from cancer. I treated her as an equal and went through everything you can think of. The stigma from my parents, the stigma from her parents. The only one who accepted me was her brother. We became close. Other than that for those who didn't know or were curious, it wasn't an issue nor should it ever be.

What was the issue was that she was a really bad person. She cheated on me, stole from me, lied to me, conned me. This is a person I took care of and loved. She also felt the world owed her so she didn't have to pay taxes and could lie and cheat as she wanted. As she lay dying, (and she didn't tell me she had pancreatic cancer until stage three), she estranged herself from her family. When her brother and I came down to florida to help her, I said to her brother "do you honestly believe, after all she's lied about, that she has PanCan?" He said no. Now comes the dicey part. I said "we are almost family (I would have asked for her hand in marriage under different circumstances) and I will back you if we need to dig deeper into this. We need to know what we are really dealing with." When she found out about this, she threw us both out of the house - a house I paid for. Her brother, turned around, left and was never heard from again by me. I stayed two more days to feed her, bath her and do what was needed for her. In the end I took such verbal abuse from her that I had to leave. It was the only option for me (and yes I checked this out with as many psychiatrists as I could find). Four months later, I found out she died - alone, penniless, broke and was a dead a week before anyone found her. As for my health, and her death, I made sure I was checked numerous times for AIDs, blood disorders, you name it. I am clean as a whistle, knock on wood. I ask myself to this day, could I have made her death easier? Married her, put her on my health plan and perhaps saved a life? I think about this almost all the time.

All I have to say is a relationship is a relationship. I couldn't care less if she has a dick or pussy between her legs. For those of you out there who think this is a trip to the wild side. well it ain't. It is like any other relationship.

Let's hope none of you have to face the same choices I had had to make. And oh yes about her family . . . the brother is over 40, a tax cheat and has ahrdly ever worked and the father a bookmaker. As for me, I'm careful about who I see. I wasted a great deal of money on this woman because love is blind. It won't happen again.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Now THAT (what bklynboy just wrote and shared above) is something alot of guys should be WORRIED about! LOL ;)

This thread seems to be going where it's suppose to afterall. :claps

~Kisses.

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[mbf]

hit the wrong button, forgive me!

[juliana_dominguez]

thanks for sharing your story bklynboy

[houstonshemalefan]

Since at this point in my life all I want to do is suck and fuck a shemale, the only thing that worries me about them is the HIV factor. I wish the ones that were positive would not escort but I know this will never happen as they also need money. :(

[peggygee]

Here's the deal.

I dated and fell in love with a t-girl. We had a four-year relationship before she passed away from cancer. I treated her as an equal and went through everything you can think of. The stigma from my parents, the stigma from her parents. The only one who accepted me was her brother. We became close. Other than that for those who didn't know or were curious, it wasn't an issue nor should it ever be.

What was the issue was that she was a really bad person. She cheated on me, stole from me, lied to me, conned me. This is a person I took care of and loved. She also felt the world owed her so she didn't have to pay taxes and could lie and cheat as she wanted. As she lay dying, (and she didn't tell me she had pancreatic cancer until stage three........



Bklynboy, my condolences at your loss.

That was a compelling and poignant re-counting of your relationship.

And you're right in admonishing these guys about the 'fantasy' of a
relationship with a transwoman. A relationship with us is the same as
it would be with any other woman. With the exception that often-times
some transwomen may arrive with more emotional baggage in the
moving van than some natal females.

A question though that has been on my mind since you've been here,
is that I notice that you often will post nude photos of your now deceased
loved one. And without getting all Oprah on you, it seems as if there are
still some lingering vestiges of love, pain, anger, the sense of betrayal
that you speak of, and an uncertainty as to future relationships.

I realize that you may still be going through a grieving process, and they
say that time heals all wounds.

But yet your's still seems like a very fresh wound.

[tonkatoy]

I went through a situation vaguely similar to bklynboy, although no where near as tragic. I have only dated one ts woman, and she was and is involved in the business, so my experience with her has probably colored my views. What worries me about ts women is the future. It seems that some ts women only live for the moment, and make no plans for the future, and maybe do not even want to think about long term things. I would ask my ex where she saw herself in 5 years, what she would be doing, she never had an answer. There was another thread on here about 'don't feel sorry for escorts' because they make so much money. From anecdotal accounts, plus some things I have seen, they spend a lot of money too. Most are not saving for any sort of retirement, and most are gambling with their health, even if you are as safe as you can be, multiple partners, high volume of partners, has to increase your odds of contracting a STD. Many women are vain, ts are no exception, but there is a lot of pressure to stay young in the scene I think, since that is where the money is. When appearing young gets harder and harder then what? When I first started dating a ts girl, i thought about a lot of things, like MPB, I just decided that none of that mattered, as long as we were together.

I guess what I worry about is the staying power of some transsexuals. With a future not involving children for most, what does family mean? This is not a Christian view of things, I am an atheist, but without kids marriage is more of a legal deal, guaranteeing right of survivorship and things like that.

As I read over my post, i realize that most of these concerns have more to do specifically with pre-op girls in the porn or escorting business, then with transsexuals as a whole. As long as your background is pretty clean, most couples (m,ts) could probably adopt, so that is a good thing. There are more and more ts women in the workplace, so that is promising as well. I doubt that alot of girls who escort would be very willing to work a 40 hr week for the same money they could get from a few clients and a few hours though. I wonder what the statistics are for ts life expectancy, in some ways the larger population of ts women is probably too young to have good data so far, but I would be willing to bet its much higher among post ops, or girls who aren't in the adult world.

I have rambled a bit, but i guess my main concern is transsexuals as they age, ts want to be women, not old women, and it seems like many wind up alone. Some girls step into the world of escorting or porn thinking they are going to stay long enough to pay for srs and other surgery and never manage to do it, or there are older ts who cash in a 401K to transition, and end up alienated from family and friends.

[62des]

I look at it this way. Most people wether family and friends or others don't find it ok to date TG's. They think its morally wrong and other reasons. I always weigh the consequences before the actions. The common thing that will happen is that you'll lose family and friends if you date or marry TG's. I can live without relationships with a transwoman. Losing family and friends don't seem worth the risk. That's why I would avoid the relationship part. Sure I could say "I don't care what they think", but why should I?

[TheOne1]

whats all the worrying about? im sure your family have suspected something, and prepared themselves with the following book;
http://rpa.union.rpi.edu/images/books/straight_parents_gay_children.jpg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

[bklynboy]

Folks:

I didn't mean to cause a thunderstorm.

The thing I take from my relationship, is that a relationship is a relationship. You are there for each other. If you love her, love the person. Do you think that this situation is any different than an interracial situation? I don't.

I have many, many friends in the T-girl community. I treat them as I would any other friend. However, I have learned to keep many at a distance. Why? Because for every person in the community I have helped, bought a drink for or a meal, the mantra is more, more more. For example at one of the Saturday parties in New York, a friend of mine used to call me up and say "are you going?" If I said yes it was always oh, pay for my taxi, or spot me a drink. I said "if you want to come to the party, come." She would latch on to go a guy once there anyway. I've seen this behavior so many times. Its like I said in my very difficult post yesterday. Many TS people think they are owed. I'll get deeper on the subject here. I am terribly dyslexic (hence my poor spelling) yet managed to get a high-end Masters in a top-20 university. To this day my co-workers treat me as though I'm the dumbest shit that ever walked the planet. Why? We're (dyslexics) are prone to mistakes. And like a TS, there is an incredible stigma attached. The "normal" person is just not equipped to deal with the "different" person. Why, I don't know. Difference should be celebrated and accepted. I don't go around saying people owe me. If anything I work harder to earn it.

Now back to my moocher friend. She graduated with honors in fashion design and like so many in the TG community, she is talented. Whether she has a pussy or cock makes no difference. Its about heart, application of skill and talent.

Ladies, understand you don't have to shake it to get noticed. There are many of us who put heart and soul before what is between the legs. I don't blame anyone in being skeptical (both sides of the fence - men not trusting the ladies and vice versa). But there are people here willing to help, promote, and be cheerleaders.

And to put a final note on all this, after she died, I found out she bilked so many people it was unbelieveable. I went poor to give her a lifstyle better than mine (I learned a tremedous life lesson there). One of the guys she fooled around with was a married real estate person who has holdings all over florida and New York and was every bit the cheat she was.

Ain't life grand?

[dc_guy_75]

As with ggs, there are plenty of t-girls that are out for "providers". As with ggs, you can usually tell who the high maintanance girls from a distance (or after a drink or two).

I can easily understand the attraction to these girls, generally they are prettiest and know exactly how to dress and act sexy...

For me, being interested in the t-scene and meeting many girls over the past decade, you become aware of the "sugar-daddy" types and try to abscond...however difficult that might seem at the time.

I've always found its very difficult to meet "down-to-earth" girls on the club scene... but isn't that expected? I see very, very few tgirls in my normal day-to-existence... Its like looking for unicorns, lol.

[yodajazz]

Here's the deal.
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What was the issue was that she was a really bad person. She cheated on me, stole from me, lied to me, conned me...

Back in my Army days I met a TS girl and we hung out for a couple days. During a conversation at a restaurant, she said she felt that being TS was a ‘sin’ and she was condemned to hell after death. So this meant that it didn’t matter what she did in life, since she was already condemned. I knew that was wrong even back then.

I have advanced a lot spiritually since then. I know that TS people are no better or worse than anyone else if they understand the “Golden Rule” and basic spiritual principles. BrklynBoy’s post points to that fact. His negative experience with his girlfriend was more about her values than anything else. So my main concern is that our community needs more spiritual mentoring. Everyone needs it. One of the main reason people go to church regularly, is they realize they need to continually strive to be better people.

Hopefully, discussions on forums like this can help.

[mph]

What worries me is that she'll only want me for my body, not my mind. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/traurig/a025.gif

[TJ347]

What's with people deleting their comments? I mean, if you don't have the balls to stand behind your beliefs in the first place, then why put them out there, much less, as in this case, start a thread based on those beliefs? So, your position comes under fire, and you quickly run for the hills, deleting your comments despite portions of them being quoted in subsequent posts... WTF is that? I'm just saying...

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

LOL I'm guessing it's simply because he's realized that his rant and worries are NOT that important muchless realistic TJ347! :lol:

I mean, come on..The guy's into transexuals and despises that some looks mannish is laughable because to start with all m to f transexuals were born baby boys (with a penis) who's later transitioned in life. Others were lucky they were born with great genes and or have the mean$ to finance their transition while others werent that lucky.

One guy's personal issues and bad experiences hinders him greatly in believing there are REAL tg's out there thus he remains very negative and supicious of every tgirl he meets and thinks of them as nothing but crossdressing men out to get (fool) him? :roll:

What's he doing here anyways if all he can say and rant about is this same issue/s? He could have stick with GG's. It's honestly begining to sound like a black propaganda againts transgenders in general. It becomes OLD NEWS after awhile you know?!?

Personally. I'm just dead tired hearing/reading about it! He needs to get over it!!

~Kisses.

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[LG]

I agree, Hara, but do you know what annoys me about TSs?

It annoys me that they're all in Thailand/Brazil/Argentina/the Philippines/LA/New York/London or some other place and I'm stuck here in the asshole of the earth and the only way I can contact girls like you is through a computer.

And that fucking gets my goat!

:wink:

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I agree, Hara, but do you know what annoys me about TSs?

It annoys me that they're all in Thailand/Brazil/Argentina/the Philippines/LA/New York/London or some other place and I'm stuck here in the asshole of the earth and the only way I can contact girls like you is through a computer.

And that fucking gets my goat!

I know! I hear you LG. Well atleast we have a computer. Can you imagine living without one? And no way to find ways to contact any tgirl? LOL Computer's are a big help thesedays..I mean it's a start, right? ;)

~Kisses.

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[Jericho]

Guys? What worries you about TS's

Some of the crackpots they attract! :wink:

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Guys? What worries you about TS's

Some of the crackpots they attract! :wink:

LOL :lol: Like moths to a flame! LOL

~Kisses.

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[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

LOL You talking to yourself again in the mirror Sil?!? :lol:

~Kisses.

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[bklynboy]

Hi All:

If you noticed on page one of this barad there was a thread about TS women with regular jobs. In many industries, it doesn't matter. - fashion for example.

The problem is that many TS women I meet aren't interested in using their talents. My ex was an incredible designer, but she felt that customers should come to her, that she didn't have to shake the tree. When I got her a client, her gender wasn't an issue. I supported her initatives as best I could.

I know there is plenty of prejudice out there - an incredible amount. And I feel it every day. How do I know this? Because as I mentioned previously, I am dyslexic and therefore a little slower than some. I am somewhat prone to making mistakes (quite correctable with light medication), but every day I walk into a hostile office environment where it doesn't matter how good I am at what I've done or doing. To these people I'm just a mistake-making dumbass who fell off a turnip truck. They wonder how I got a master's degree. Yet here I am every day trying to contribute.

My friend I mentioned in a previous thread - the one who graduated from a fashion school with honors yet mooches off people and is now into the white stuff, just doesn't get it. A lot of TS women I meet just don't get it.

To my ex, I was a dumb shit who couldn't do anything right. When I was jobless and paying her rent and mine, I had to buy a refrigerator so I made a deal for a floor model and got a good deal. Her response was and I qoute (and please don't be offended because these were her words not mine). "You're nothing but a cheap jew bastard. What's wrong with you? You bought a fucking floor model? Didn't I teach you better? Are you just stupid or what? What's it with you Jews? You're no better than those n____." I'll leave it at that folks.

All I say is if you have talent, use it. If I can overcome my situation you can too.

[yodajazz]

Hi All: ...

All I say is if you have talent, use it. If I can overcome my situation you can too.

I appreciate what you’re saying, and I need to take those words to heart for myself. It sounds to me that you are concerned about your friend. Maybe you should take it upon yourself to talk to her as one. I think that most recreational drugs make people live for the pleasures of the moment, and they end up neglecting their future selves. I can speak on that from my own personal experience.

I have a question. Do you think our girls understand how much more money a regular job is worth when it has health benefits? I recently came to understand that Gender Identity Disorder is listed a mental health diagnosis. But as long as this is so, the government and health agencies are legally able to pay for treatments to help the person live more comfortably with their ‘disorder’.

[62des]

What's wrong with a guy liking GG's more than trannies?

[bklynboy]

Yodajazz:

I appreciate what you are saying about her. I have talked to her, but she's youynger than me and quite a stunner and refers to me as an "older brother". There is only so much you can do for a person without winding up as an enabler. Tough love isn't understood.

I do the best I can do to make people who have talent realize they have talent. Me, I'm just an ordinary guy who is skilled at survival. I survived grad school based on work ethic. I just wish I had the talent some of these people do.

It hurts me deeply that my ex who died was so talented, yet instead of tapping into it and working with it, she shoved it down peoples' throats and aliented them.

It is a real shame.

[whatsupwithat]

Hmmm...the lack of trust in others.

[TrueBeauty TS]

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[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

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Lmao :lol: I concur! LOL

~Kisses.

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[LTR_Seeker]

What worries me is they have brains & beauty & rather do escort stuff like they resign themsleves to just be fantasy things to guys when they can use their talents to do things betetr .