HBO's NY Taxicab Confessions - post op pussy

[Toro]

I just saw an episode of HBO's Taxicab Confessions in NYC, and they had a pretty hot post op with a guy, and she kept referring to her new vagina as a 'wound'. She hated her penis - she didn't look at it at all when she had it, and she got it chopped early, like when she was 19.

TS that get SRS definitely become more feminine, but I wonder how many post op TS have boyfriends that don't play with their new 'pussy'.

I can't get into it - I am just not turned on by a vagina that a doctor made and I think of a man-made pussy as a wound, too, like the post op on the show. Personally, I LOVE to eat pussy - but I wouldn't want to lick a post-op's vagina anymore than I'd like to stick my tongue in a tracheotomy hole. I speak from experience on this, too. Anyone else feel the same way?

I also wonder if post ops really want/need a guy to play with their pussy, or if they just wanted a vagina to validate the way they feel inside.

[GroobySteven]

I've been with a fair number of post-ops and the ones who've had the most recent operations are extremely happy with them. I dated a girl when she was a pre-op and she couldn't orgasm (been on hormones since 12 + psychological issues) no matter what she tried, in fact only came when she had a wet dream.
After the operation and a little pain the first few times we had sex she really got into it and orgasmed everytime. The pussy felt good, looked good and tasted good and it worked with her physically and psychologically. While I'm sure there are plenty of transgenders who are either genital dysphoric or do want the operation as purely a valdiation, I think there are more that see it as what they need to do, to be a woman - which I tend to agree with.

I fail to see your association of something which causes your partner pleasure with a something which is a symptom of cancer? Isn't sucking a circumcised cock just the same as a "corrective surgery" vagina in terms of it being medically changed?

seanchai

[Toro]

While I'm sure there are plenty of transgenders who are either genital dysphoric or do want the operation as purely a valdiation, I think there are more that see it as what they need to do, to be a woman - which I tend to agree with.

Isn't that the same thing? You're saying on the one hand that some get the operation to validate their being a woman, and on the other it's what they 'need to do, to be a woman'. What's the difference?


I fail to see your association of something which causes your partner pleasure with a something which is a symptom of cancer? Isn't sucking a circumcised cock just the same as a "corrective surgery" vagina in terms of it being medically changed?

You seem like a smart guy - surely you see the association. One is a hole a doctor makes in a person's throat and the other is a hole a doctor makes in a person's lower abdomen.

I don't know if I agree with you about your comparison on sucking a cock vs. a corrective surgery vagina, as you call it. I don't know...a girl with a huge clit is still a girl. It's what you do with the equipment that dictates the gender roles, if you ask me. But I'm not into sucking cock. And this is not about doing things to please someone you care about. When I'm with a hot girl, I'll lick her ass... to please her and ger her off, not because I enjoy the taste of 'ass'.

If I know a girl is a post op when I meet her, it's a concern if she's going to want me to get down with her new goods and I don't think I am alone in my thinking.

[GroobySteven]

Isn't that the same thing? You're saying on the one hand that some get the operation to validate their being a woman, and on the other it's what they 'need to do, to be a woman'. What's the difference?
Well you wrote "just wanted a vagina to validate the way they feel inside." which seems to indicate that some girls do it almost frivalously. The difference I would put is that some girls might do it because they think thats what they have to do, others might do it because they know thats what they need to do. [/quote]



You seem like a smart guy - surely you see the association. One is a hole a doctor makes in a person's throat and the other is a hole a doctor makes in a person's lower abdomen.
I can see that association - that both are surgical procedures but thats as far as it goes. If you fail to see any other differences then obviously we approach sex at massively different angles.




I don't know if I agree with you about your comparison on sucking a cock vs. a corrective surgery vagina, as you call it. I don't know...a girl with a huge clit is still a girl.
By huge clit I presume you mean cock? As much as I call the girls I work with girls, identify with them as girls and for all social occassions I see them as girls, I know that they're transgenders ie; different to a girl in some way. (BTW post-op is same also). Vicki wrote a good passage on how she identifies herself somewhere in the forum. [/quote]



It's what you do with the equipment that dictates the gender roles, if you ask me.
I'd tend to agree - but most people on this forum wouldn't. By that distinction if a tgirl is fucking a guy in the ass, then the gender roles are....?



But I'm not into sucking cock. And this is not about doing things to please someone you care about. When I'm with a hot girl, I'll lick her ass... to please her and ger her off, not because I enjoy the taste of 'ass'.
So when you're with a girl you'll lick ass to please her and get her off - but when you're with a post-op you won't like her to please her and get her off? I'm missing the point here? For me, pleasing my partner is a massive part of sex.




If I know a girl is a post op when I meet her, it's a concern if she's going to want me to get down with her new goods and I don't think I am alone in my thinking.
So if you're that turned off by a post-op I'd presume when you meet her you wouldn't be interested in her at all because of her genital status? I'd wouldn't criticise you because of this, I think most people on this board although into transgenders have vastly different likes/dislikes. However, I think you're personal feelings about post-op girls/surgery are leading you down an incorrect path on how that girl feels about it, how she reacts with guys into her and how a guy into her reacts about it.
seanchai

[roy404]

I've been with a fair number of post-ops and the ones who've had the most recent operations are extremely happy with them. I dated a girl when she was a pre-op and she couldn't orgasm (been on hormones since 12 + psychological issues) no matter what she tried, in fact only came when she had a wet dream.
After the operation and a little pain the first few times we had sex she really got into it and orgasmed everytime. The pussy felt good, looked good and tasted good and it worked with her physically and psychologically. While I'm sure there are plenty of transgenders who are either genital dysphoric or do want the operation as purely a valdiation, I think there are more that see it as what they need to do, to be a woman - which I tend to agree with.

I fail to see your association of something which causes your partner pleasure with a something which is a symptom of cancer? Isn't sucking a circumcised cock just the same as a "corrective surgery" vagina in terms of it being medically changed?

seanchai

A agree. I have been with more than 30 post-op since the 60's. They run the gambit just like GG's. The true TS is totally discusted with the penis and wants it gone and will not use it in sex at all. You have to remember most of the people that say they are TS's are just shemales or TV"s that really are messed up. One of the major problem is Thailand. Believe it or not any person with the $$ can get the surgery. That is why the "TG" ranks are filled with creatures that do not know how to be women. They have lived as a man forever and now have a pussy, sound like a longshoreman after a good drunk, do not know how to wear womens clothes or move like a woman. Yet with all this they wonder why society treats them as outcasts. To be anything from a DR to a officer worker takes work and skill. These people have none.
Remember most of the TRUE TS's that go thru the surgery you will never hear about and many you will never be able to tell of there past. Yes I love post-op women and as I have stated before I was married to one twice aND WILL DO IT AGAIN SOON AS MY so IS SOON TO HAVE srs.

[davemaine]

I had alreayd posted about this when they airedit the first night lol

[Ecstatic]

I have been with more than 30 post-op since the 60's. They run the gambit just like GG's. The true TS is totally discusted with the penis and wants it gone and will not use it in sex at all. You have to remember most of the people that say they are TS's are just shemales or TV"s that really are messed up.
Roy, you seem to demonstrate a lot of understanding of that group of transgendered people who are MtF TS who opt for SRS, but very little understanding or sensitivity towards those who are not. Defining "the true TS" as one who "is totally disgusted with the penis and want it gone and will not use it in sex" is wholly unfair and insensitive to those who do not share that point of view.

[roy404]

Roy, you seem to demonstrate a lot of understanding of that group of transgendered people who are MtF TS who opt for SRS, but very little understanding or sensitivity towards those who are not. Defining "the true TS" as one who "is totally disgusted with the penis and want it gone and will not use it in sex" is wholly unfair and insensitive to those who do not share that point of view.[/quote]

I base my statement on the following. I have researched this subject for over 35 years. I have written numerous articles for mainstream magazines like Esquire, Penthouse and Playboy as well as helped with articles in Time, Look and Life magazine. I have also been published in many TS publications. I interviewed Dr Ben twice for about 15 total hours and sat in on interviews with him and patients.
Most of what I feel I learned from him and my meetings with over 1500 people in the lifestyle. Anyone that has read his writings will see what I mean. Yes there are stages of TS's. However you must realize a shemale or TV/CD/DQ is not a TS. DR Ben would spin in his grave if he knew how the term Transgendered was used. In no way is a TV like a Shemale or a TS. TG is a term the people use because they think it makes them "more mainstream."
If you are familiar with the TS world you surely know at least 1 person thast has taken their own life because they thought SRS was not in the cards. I have lost many friends that way.
I do not mean to cut down the other groups I just want people to see that a TS is a whole different scene. Rarely is there a TS on Springer but that is what society see as TS's.
I hope that clears things up.

[domweb]

They transgenders I have dated seem to fall into two categories and I consider them both to be valid.

The TS's on their way to SRS or post SRS seem to want to be totally female and want nothing to do with their male sexual organs.

Other transgender girls I have dated seem to want to keep their male genitalia and craft their bodies into a more feminine form through things like hormones, breast augmentation, laser hair removal, rhinoplasty, etc. These girls sometimes refer to the TS's who want SRS as 'fishy girls'.

It seems that your tastes run more toward the second group (as do mine). But they are all transsexuals. The variety only makes it better.

Some t-girls want to keep their penises and some don't. They are both transgender as far as I am concerned. If the person spends the majority or all of their lives as the opposite sex from their genetic coding they are transsexual. They don't require a 'tranny certification' from their local head shrinker.

Some people cannot go through with SRS or body modification because of health reasons, family obligations or economic reasons. They still totally indentify themselves with the opposite sex.

Is a gay man who cannot come out because of family not truly gay? No.

Is a transgender who cannot live fulltime as their preferred sex because of work and financial concerns not truly a TS? No.

Keep in mind, the last group of people who got hung up on labeling people regarding sexuality decided that the only real labels where men and women, gay and straight. Dr Ben may spin in his grave all he wants. This is a new world and the sexual theories must change with it.

[Ecstatic]

I base my statement on the following. I have researched this subject for over 35 years. I have written numerous articles for mainstream magazines like Esquire, Penthouse and Playboy as well as helped with articles in Time, Look and Life magazine. I have also been published in many TS publications. I interviewed Dr Ben twice for about 15 total hours and sat in on interviews with him and patients.
Most of what I feel I learned from him and my meetings with over 1500 people in the lifestyle. Anyone that has read his writings will see what I mean.
Roy, no offense, but 35 years of research and your conclusions are this biased and stilted? I just don't think transgenderism is that simplistic (which I'm sure you know full well and can quote volumes to that effect) and should not be reduced to either you hate your penis and want SRS or you're not a TS. You say:


Yes there are stages of TS's. However you must realize a shemale or TV/CD/DQ is not a TS. DR Ben would spin in his grave if he knew how the term Transgendered was used. In no way is a TV like a Shemale or a TS.
Of course I realize that a TV or a CD or a DQ is not a TS. Shemale is a term manufactured by the porn industry to exploit a lucrative market, and is usually considered derogatory (until reclaimed by T's like Vicki and Joanna) and certainly does not discriminate very well between different types of TS. If a gay guy actually goes through hormone treatment and surgery to adapt a very feminine appearance purely for monetary gain (by hooking), then he has some very serious psychological issues. But I contend that there are TS who live fully as women except that they do not desire SRS, do not want to trade in their penis for a vagina, and do not see their sexual nor gender identity solely in their genitalia. You may call these shemales, but though Vicki proudly claims that title, I think it is equally misrepresentative. I think that non-op TS is as valid as post-op or pre-op.


TG is a term the people use because they think it makes them "more mainstream."
If you are familiar with the TS world you surely know at least 1 person thast has taken their own life because they thought SRS was not in the cards. I have lost many friends that way.
Fortunately, I have only had indirect contact with any who have died that way. For TS as those who deeply desire and ultimately (hopefully for them) get SRS, you're right. But I think it's unfair to not consider non-op TS as "true TS."


Dr Ben may spin in his grave all he wants. This is a new world and the sexual theories must change with it.
Amen.

[roy404]

To Ecstatic and Domweb
I am in a way set in my thought as to the nature of tyhe True TS. I may have not made it clear but I know and know of girls that can't get SRS due to health reasons. I have never met a TS that, if they really wanted SRS, let family control them. I have also known many that have eaten beans and rice for years to save and then reach there goal. Just as you and I are capabile of reaching our goals by determination and will this same force is what drives these women. I do feel sorry for the Medical problem that hold some back and have a few friends like that. They still do not want or like there male members and search for mates that have no desire to use it either.
This is why I really do not -like the tearm non-op. Even in the medical guidelines there is no reference to this until the movement addapted it and the shrinks saw $$ and came out of the woodwork as experts. You know as well as I do there are people that say they are non-op's that as TV's. A TS does not go home shut the door and windows and dress. Taking 2 or 3 low dose hormones a month does not make you a TS. They,TS's, try to move in society. This is not a fetish to them and they are very hurt by the fetish TV's saying they are TS's. Or equating themselves with the term TG.
I agree with you on the term shemale and was around the west coast when the TS movie movment started. Many girls like Sulka used the money for SRS.
I have known many ,lets say,shemales that in the 80's and 90's tried to fit in and got the SRS. They were and still are very unhappy and just used the surgery as a way to ease mental problems, which it did not they just mounted, or to attract more men with the mind and style of a gay man. That is why you still find post-op's in Drag shows.
Yes this is a new world or is it the same one with just hundreds of politically correct labels. Thought do need to change but a man in a wig going on the discovery channel or Springer saying they are TS's just sets the movement back years. They Gay man comunity is the most harse group on the TS's yet they want to be totally accepted. They put forth Gay marriage proposals with no mention of TS women at all.
Ts's try to stay out of the real spotlight and yes they do have there hero's. Tula was one. She married a US citizen and the press gay and straight thought it was terible. Yet Rosey "gets married" and it is great for the world. Where is the correctness in that?

[Ecstatic]

roy, you make a lot of very good points which I agree with. Yes, there are TVs pretending to be TS. Yes, there are unfortunate TS who want SRS but for health reasons can't get it (and that is truly tragic). But the one type of TS you seem to have no room for is what I call a non-op TS: not a TV pretending to be a TS, and not a TS who tragically can't have SRS, but one who as you say moves in society as a woman, who has always identified as a woman, even as a child, and yet who does not want to have SRS--whether because she doesn't want that type of invasive surgery or because she doesn't want to "trade in" her cock for a vagina. Not a "woman trapped in a man's body" so much as a different type of woman who loves being a woman but also wants to keep her genitalia intact. I don't claim your years of experience, but I've watched the scene from the outside for 25 years and have come to know (intimately and otherwise) several TS over the past few years. One girl I know always identified as a woman. She started on hormones very young and never used her "tool" sexually until a couple of years ago, but one guy convinced her to top him and, while she thought it weird at first, discovered that she loved it. There's a lot of pleasure there--you know it and I know it--so why should she feel the need to give it up? But why would that make her a TV pretending to be a TS? I think it just makes her another type of TS. She shouldn't feel compelled to SRS in order to be validated, nor be denigrated as a TV or CD because she doesn't want SRS.

[MaxiJavi]

Ecstatic


I think it just makes her another type of TS. She shouldn't feel compelled to SRS in order to be validated, nor be denigrated as a TV or CD because she doesn't want SRS.

Yeah, I am completely with you that one ... Surely who/what a person "is" can be better defined by how they lead their life as opposed to what medical treatment they are able/willing to embark on.

Unless "Transsexual" is a purely medical term ...

Cheers