Mainstream Movies and Songs with TGs [Archive] - HungAngels

02-13-2005, 11:57 PM

One way for transexuality to become more accepted by society at large is, I believe, through music and film. But then again I can't think of very many films and songs abour or featuring transgendered people. Can you?

Here are my suggestions, in random order:

SONGS

- Lola- The Kinks
"Lola smiled and took me by the hand...And said dear boy I'm gonna make you a man...Well I'm not the world's most masculine man...But I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a man...And so is Lola..."

- Take a Walk on the Wild Side- Lou Reed
"Holly came from Miami F.L.A. ... hitch-hiked her way across the U.S.A. ...plucked her eyebrows on the way...shaved her legs and then he was a she..."

- Dude looks like a lady- Aerosmith
"She had the body of a venus...Lord, imagine my surprise..."

And a couple of almosts:

- Boys and Girls- Blur
"Girls who are boys...Who like boys to be girls...Who do boys like they’re girls...Who do girls like they’re boys...Always should be someone you really love..."

- Get Back- The Beatles
"Sweet loretta martin thought she was a woman...But she was another man..."

FILMS

- Princesa (with the transexual prostitute played by an actual transexual)

- Myra Breckenbridge (Raquel Welch as a rather unpleasant mysogynistic M2F)

- The World According to Garp (John Lithgow delivers the killer line: "I mean, I had mine removed surgically under general anesthesia. But to have it bitten off in a Buick...")

- All About my Mother and Bad Education (both by Pedro Almodovar)

- Woman on Top (Harold Perrineau looks pretty sexy as .ca Jones)

- Gaudi Afternoon (I actually guessed that Marcia Gay Harden's character was a TG before it was revealed- and Marcia Gay Harden is a woman!)

- Rock Star (Dagmara Dominczyk had a pretty small part as a preop PR girl)

- The Last Seduction (blink and you'll miss this revelation- Mike left his wife Stacy because he found out she was a preop...interesting...)

- Boy's Don't Cry (the film based on the tragic story of Teena Brandon kind of qualifies, but Teena never fully made the transition before her life was cruelly ended)

- Soldier's Girl (Another tragic true story)

- Normal (TV movie with Jessica Lange and Tom Wilkinson)

And a couple of films about drag queens:

- To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar (John Leguizamo didn't look too bad)

- The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert (about two drag queens and a transexual)

I haven't managed to see all these films, and I'm sure there are many others I haven't seen or can't remember(I can also remember a horrible film from the 70s or 80s with a M2F serial killer- anyone know the name so I can avoid ever watching it again?). Throw in your suggestions!

Slither

02-14-2005, 12:40 AM

From the Stone Temple Pilots song Crackerman

"Trippin’ as I’m thinkin’
’bout a boy, his name was sue
He’s a man, he’s a man
Crackerman, crackerman
He’s a woman too"

GroobySteven

02-14-2005, 12:54 AM

How did you miss out The Crying Game? That was a shock to me!
Also:
Ma Vie en Rose (My Life in Pink) - excellent French movie.
Doberman - another cool French movie with one of the bank robbers as transsexual.

US television:
The Golden Girls - ran for years with Bea Arthur playing a transsexual accepted by her mother and friends (although never actually mentioned!).

seanchai

Ecstatic

02-14-2005, 02:01 AM

Many examples on US television; I'm sure there are others, but these are prominent:

Nip/Tuck, with Famke Janssen playing a post-op TS for most of the second season, a sexual predator who plays on the underage son of one of the plastic surgeons as a "life coach" (but with a well-played scene visiting a clinic specializing in SRS).

Ally McBeal: two storylines, one featuring Stephanie (played by openly gay actor and GLAAD board member Wilson Cruz), a transgendered fashion designer who also turns tricks to pay the bills. Ally defends Stephanie on the basis of an insanity plea based on "transvestite fetishism" and "gender dysphoria" and who is ultimately murdered by a john who, according to a cop, freaked when he found out she was a man. The second, which played out over several episodes and two distinct story arcs, featured Lisa Edelstein as Cindy, a pre-op transsexual who the firm represents and with whom one of the lawyers, Mark (played by James LeGros), falls in love but discovers he can't handle the fact that she is transgendered. The show imho is a mix of exploitation and sensitivity, which relays a conflicted message.

CSI: Ch-ch-changes episode, featuring several transsexuals in a storyline centered on the brutal slaying of a TS. Several of the TS in the show are played by real TS, which is a positive thing, and much of value is shared, though personally I thought the show over-emphasized the seedy side of the life.

In music, there's Cyndi Lauper's song "Ballad of Cleo & Joe" about a TV who lives as Joe by day at work but lives for stepping out at night as Cleo:

"And he works his body just to be somebody. There's a woman in the mirror looking like a dream. And he works his body...and he feels somebody...and the working boy becomes a dancing queen."

fgbz99

02-14-2005, 02:21 AM

In 2001/02 CBS ran a series starring Richard Dreyfus called the Education of Max Bickford. Set in a small town University, Max's best friend Steve returned from a sabbatical as Erica (Helen Shaver) after SRS. She was portrayed very positively.

Ecstatic

02-14-2005, 02:55 AM

fgbz99, how could I have forgotten that one? Thanks! Any others?

wbilly

02-14-2005, 03:12 AM

A list (which includes some already mentioned)

As Girls Go - Suzanne Vega ("99.9" album, 1992)

Boy or a Girl - Imperial Drag
The overall message could be about any relationship headfuck but seems to be about an attraction to a TGirl, with gender bent phrases like "Do you feel misunderstood?.......I feel straight but I'm not so sure" and the title question "Are you a boy or a girl?" Eric Dover and his Imperial Drag are a wonderful and talented throwback to the sound of the glam rock epoch.

Diamond Dogs - DavidBowie - Sex ch-ch-changin' is the theme here "with your silicone hump and your ten inch stump"

Drag Queens in Limousines - Mary Gauthier -

Dude Looks Like a Lady - Aerosmith -

I Wanna Be a Beauty Queen - It was theme song for British film of same name.)

Lady Stardust - David Bowie - the serene song of the Ziggy Stardust epoch;

Lola - The Kinks - Lola

Now I'm Your Mom - Talkingheads song about a parental sex change. It's on the album "Uh Oh" sung by David Byrne.

Rebel Rebel - DavidBowie - the ultimate gender bender song that went so mainstream that many people mistakenly overlook its transgender topic as just a glam-rock tune;

Secret Girls - Sonic Youth -

Sweet Dreams - Annie Lennox - a song about pansexual freedom

Sweet Transvestite - Rocky Horror Picture Show -

Take a Walk on the Wild Side - Lou Reed -

Two Headed Sex Change - The Cramps -

Last but not least: The Lumberjack Song - Monty Python

Movies:

Hedwig & The Angry Inch (better as a play)
Dressed To Kill - Michael Caine as a cross-dressing killer
Bird Cage - Gene Hackman!
Psycho - Norman as Mom

TrueBeauty TS

02-14-2005, 04:17 AM

Silence of the Lambs. With one of the creepiest/funny lines ever.....

"Would you F*** me? I'd F*** me."

Creepy

Hugh Jarrod

02-14-2005, 05:31 AM

There was a real good episode of CBS's cold case files (not the A & E show) about a transgendered love affair and it was done real well. CBS also did (as someone mentioned) the 100th episode with Cassandra a bartender at Diva's in San Francisco. I thought the aformentioned Princessa was good, their was an episode of Girlfriends with Dania/Nikki although it was somewhat negative kind of an Ace Ventura thing. At least they got a real T though. Also mentioned the Crying Game was a very good film. The thing for me is how many of the mentioned films above are actually about drag queens and not transsexuals, there is a difference. We have to wait for The Chick Magnet to come out, and let's hope they don't cut the beautiful Dannielle Foxx out of Ms. Congeniality 2.

02-14-2005, 10:30 AM

seanchai wrote:

How did you miss out The Crying Game? That was a shock to me!

Whoopsie! The obvious one (and a pretty good film too) and I did mean to include it, but then it slipped my mind.

With regards to the Golden Girls, if it was never actually mentioned, how can you tell? As for all the other TV series, I've never seen most of them (I live across the pond) but I'll check them out on DVD.

Notice also I haven't included cross-dressing films or songs, because there are too many to mention: Mrs Doubtfire, Tootsie, Some Like it Hot, and songs like I'm a Boy (by the Who) and The LumberJack song by Monty Python.

A few more I've come up with:

Flawless (actually about a drag queen)
Just like a Woman
Orlando
M. Butterfly
Farewell My Concubine

There's also a bunch of body-switching films where women enter male bodies and vice versa, such as Switch, Prelude to a Kiss and others.

But from the poll I can see that we all agree that the entertainment industry's portrayal of TGs has, with the exception of mostly arthouse and foreign language films, been pretty negative...

NYCe

02-14-2005, 10:39 AM

seanchai, Please don't get this site in trouble with the legions of Bea Arthur fans out there.

Did anyone see Holiday Heart? It featured Ving Rhames as a Drag Queen. And yes he did look as bad as one imagines, but its a good movie.

In cartoons The Oblongs (shown on The Cartoon Network during their Adult orientated Programming) has a transsexual Bartender. So did Shrek. I see a theme here.

IFC shows a film by the name of "Different For Girls". I'm sure someone already mentioned it.

dajuicy2

02-14-2005, 02:55 PM

only caught it once on tv..but that film looked pretty damn, real life to me, and on point., and the t girl who plays the lead was absolutely mezmerizing.....the crying game, is a solid film, on many levels, terrific movie, with solid story and perfomrances....forrest tucker terrific,..as well as the irish/scottish? dude, and the t girl herself......when it come on, i always revisit it....

02-14-2005, 04:11 PM

Interesting movie is Belle al Bar, by Italian director Alessandro Benvenuti, starring Eva Robins.
How a man comes to fall in love with his transsexual cousin. No porn.

xact

xact

02-14-2005, 04:14 PM

Previous post is mine... I'd forgotten to login... Sorry

xact

Edmund

02-14-2005, 05:39 PM

In cartoons The Oblongs (shown on The Cartoon Network during their Adult orientated Programming) has a transsexual Bartender. So did Shrek. I see a theme here.

I thought so, too, but the director of Shrek 2 has been adamant that Larry King's character was just an extremely manly GG.

Lobo

02-14-2005, 05:45 PM

I surprised nobody has mentioned the song "Somebody Told Me" by The Killers out of Las Vegas:

"Somebody Told Me"

Breaking my back just to know your name
Seventeen tracks and I've had it with this game
I'm breaking my back just to know your name
But heaven ain't close in a place like this
Anything goes but don't blink you might miss
Cause heaven ain't close in a place like this
I said heaven ain't close in a place like this
Bring it back down, bring it back down tonight
Never thought I'd let a rumor ruin my moonlight

Well somebody told me
You had a boyfriend
Who looked like a girlfriend
That I had in February of last year
It's not confidential
I've got potential

Ready? Let's roll onto something new
Taking its toll and I'm leaving without you

Cause heaven ain't close in a place like this
I said heaven ain't close in a place like this
Bring it back down, bring it back down tonight
Never thought I'd let a rumor ruin my moonlight

Well somebody told me
You had a boyfriend
Who looked like a girlfriend
That I had in February of last year
It's not confidential
I've got potential
A rushin', a rushin' around

Pace yourself from me
I said maybe baby please
But I just don't know now
When all I wanna do is try

Somebody told me
You had a boyfriend
Who looked like a girlfriend
That I had in February of last year
It's not confidential
I've got potential
A rushin', a rushin' around

TrueBeauty TS

02-14-2005, 08:00 PM

And also (TS & TV)...................

Dude, Where's My Car?

Homicidal

Ed Wood

Bratman

02-15-2005, 12:32 AM

It looked like rainbows would appear
Whenever you came near
the clouds would dissapear
Because you look just like a girl
your baby blues would flash
and suddenly a spell was cast
you're such a delicate boy
in the hysterical realm
of an emotional land slide
in physical terms

Hugh Jarrod

02-15-2005, 04:30 AM

Hugh Jarrod

02-15-2005, 04:56 AM

Also forgot about another episode of CSI in which a big movie star sleeps with 2 asian girls and one turns out to be a TS so he kills them both. When they uncover one girl in a golf course sand trap Nick (George Eads) says frank and beans. Indicating she has male genitals.

Johnny Cocksville

02-15-2005, 06:07 PM

Law and Order: SVU had two well done episodes. The first dealt with a set of twins ( a boy and a girl) who turned out to both be boys (one's circumscsion(sp) went awry.

The second episode involved a rape murder. The girl who was almost raped turned out to be a TS. When her boyfriend found out he committed suicide. The next part of the episode dealt with her attempt to get transfered to a female prison. She ended up getting assaulted in rikers.

02-15-2005, 06:23 PM

Johnny Cocksville wrote:

Law and Order: SVU had two well done episodes. The first dealt with a set of twins ( a boy and a girl) who turned out to both be boys (one's circumscsion(sp) went awry.

Never saw it, but it sounds like its based on the true and tragic story of Bruce/ Brenda Reimer. I quote from a previous posting of mine. I wrote:

Recently I saw an interesting TV programme on Discovery- the true story of a boy named Bruce Reimer who was conditioned by an 'expert' psychiatrist into being a girl after a botched circumcision left him with little genitals to speak of. The procedure was previously applied to hermaphrodites only. The newborn underwent various procedures and took hormones and lived all his young life as Brenda. Unhappy throughout his/her childhood, young Brenda behaved very much like a little boy. Eventually Brenda's father told his rebellious child the truth. Brenda's first though was to hunt down the doctors who botched his circumsision. Instead, he left home and tried to begin his new life as a man, becoming David. He commited suicide last year aged 38.

Ecstatic

02-15-2005, 11:55 PM

I just thought of another tv show which featured TS girls: Sex in the City, when Samantha moved to the meat packing district and had a neighborhood war going on with the trannys living on her block, out loud and late at night. They fought back and forth, until Samantha had the wits to invite them over for a party, and they made friends.

I don't know the NY scene very well, though the girls in the episode seemed to represent that scene pretty well. Most were definitely not passable as I recall.

domweb

02-16-2005, 09:56 PM

Don't think I've seen this one so far:

"It's Different For Girls", a movie (caught it on Showtime) about the blossoming relationship between a post-op t-girl and her male friend from her childhood, when she was a boy.

Ecstatic

02-17-2005, 12:12 AM

Here's another from this season, sensitively portrayed: Veronica Mars. On one episode, the teenage sleuth helps a friend track down his missing father, only to find out that his father had SRS and is now a woman, living with a man fifty (iirc) miles away. At least once a week, the post-op father drives to the video store the son works at to rent videos and interact a little bit with her son without giving away that she's his father. The kid freaks at first, but later seems to come to terms.

LBCDO

02-17-2005, 06:44 AM

Like a year ago there was a post op on Oprah, if that counts for anything.

roy404

02-17-2005, 07:21 AM

Interesting movie is Belle al Bar, by Italian director Alessandro Benvenuti, starring Eva Robins.
How a man comes to fall in love with his transsexual cousin. No porn.

xact

Eva is also in a mainstream movie you can find in Blockbusters in some locations. Called "Mascara". The movie also has Romy Hagg as well as many of the Italian Drag show girls of the era. A good look at the underground TS world of 80's Italy. Nothing like today.

Buzz

02-18-2005, 01:06 AM

One of my favorite tgirl movies which I haven't seen mentioned yet is Iron Ladies. It's been called a sports movie with a difference: the true story of a Thai volleyball team composed of gays, transvestites and transsexuals which won the Thai national title in 1996.

This is a very nicely made movie about transgendered people and it's been one of the most popular international releases from Thailand. There's been a sequel as well (but haven't seen that one yet).

I first saw Iron Ladies at a big outdoor summer screening here in Amsterdam which was part of the yearly gay pride weekend, but it's also on DVD. I can recommend it as an antidote to films about transsexuals with tragic endings and as a good way to practice your Thai :lol:

IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0263957/

xact

02-18-2005, 09:03 AM

For a exhaustive list of movies (thousands of them) containing at least one spot related to transgenderism see:
http://members.fortunecity.com/jayekayetv/tmovies/0.htm

xact

02-18-2005, 01:14 PM

xact wrote:

For a exhaustive list of movies (thousands of them) containing at least one spot related to transgenderism see:
http://members.fortunecity.com/jayekayetv/tmovies/0.htm

Great link xact! I'll try and check out all the movies I can from the list.

Hugh Jarrod

02-20-2005, 05:09 AM

Someone said Iron Women hadn't been mentioned but I think it was. There are other episodes of good TV showa I can think of but some involve Ambigious genitals situations not sure what is to be said about that? I guess it's a transgender thing but it's more of a what do you do? Question.

lurker

02-20-2005, 05:31 AM

Just saw the Toby Keith (US Country/western music performer) music video for "I Love This Bar".

There are no lyrics refering to TSs, but in the video this guy starts pushing up on this great lokkin' chic who happens to be taller than him. After makin' out, and dancin close stuff they cut to another scene. When they come back the guy is going to the men's room, where he finds his beautiful damsel standing at the urinal! When she comes out of the bathroom, the rest of the guys react as if they already knew and it was no big deal. (Hey, I'd do her.)

(Yeah, it was a country/western music video, and the song is a hit and Toby Keith is very famous in the genre. And no smart-ass comments about me watchin' country music please!)

--lurker

Hugh Jarrod

02-20-2005, 06:53 AM

How about someone sayin' there's nothing wrong with you watchin' country videos.

Hugh Jarrod

02-22-2005, 11:04 AM

There was an episode of Two and a Half men when Charlie (Sheen) meets a guy who used to be a woman he had slept with years ago. As a man his old girlfriend ends up sleeping with Charlie's mom and calamity insues.

02-22-2005, 11:42 AM

I wasn't referring to TV show episodes as well, 'cos I suppose there's been a few of those, but since we've started mentioning them, here are a couple more.

I seem to remember an episode of Spin City (in its Michael J Fox days) where Carter tricks Stuart into dating a gorgeous blonde transexual. There was also a Seinfeld episode where Jerry went on a date with a woman (who may have been a TS) who had "man hands" as he called them.

Despite being a fan of both series, I don't think either shone a very positive light on TGs.

beldan

02-22-2005, 03:29 PM

"59 Chrystie Street" by the Beastie Boys

There's a girl over there...
(Ahh ahh yeah!)
With long brown hair
(Ahh ahh yeah!)
I took her to the place
(Ahh ahh yeah!)
I threw the mattress in her face
(Ahh ahh yeah!)
Took off her shirt
(Ahh ahh yeah!)
Took off her bra
(Ahh ahh yeah!)
Took off her pants
(Ahh ahh yeah!)
You know that I saw?!?
A wick wick wack
(Ah ha ha ha!)

will_able

02-23-2005, 07:29 AM

Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil
Mercy (Ellen Barkin, had a CD murderer)
Sleepaway Camp (horror)

NYCe

02-23-2005, 08:26 AM

EPMD - Jane (actually the whole Jane Series)

NYCe

03-15-2005, 05:47 AM

Flawless (actually about a drag queen)...

This finally came up in my Netflix queue. Great film.

rankinworks

03-15-2005, 06:25 AM

GIRLS WILL BE GIRLS is a campy drag flick with the famous Miss Coco from TRICK. As far as tv series goes, QUEER AS FOLK as transgender storylines as well. I just saw BRIDE & PREJUDICE (hindi inspired move based loosely on Jane Austen's Pride & Prejudice) and they had some crossdressers and transsexuals dancing on the streets with the main characters in the beginning and ending song sequences. Even the spoof reels in the end of the credits showed them.

Hugh Jarrod

04-05-2005, 11:05 AM

Recently an episode of Without a Trace was a really good one. Yet I was slightly wierded out by an episode of the Japanese game show Banzai in which they had 5 little girls lined up and you had to pick out the boy.

kieron

04-05-2005, 01:28 PM

Supposedly a song sung by Gloria Gaynor "I am what i am" was penned by a transgender person. anyone have any more info?? would be interested to know,

thanks,

kieron

rocklob

04-05-2005, 09:49 PM

Let's not forget probably the greatest proponent of tgs in film: Pedro Almodóvar. While occasionally not positive images (father in All About My Mother, a character in Bad Education-I won't say which cuz it might spoil the film), Pedro has always featured tgs, including one of the most beautiful in creation, the great Bibi Andersen, who is so accepted in Spain that she appears on variey shows on tv and her love life is covered just like anyone else's in People type magazines.

ABSOLUTE SHADE

04-05-2005, 10:35 PM

Ma Vie en Rose (My Life in Pink) - excellent French movie.

US television:
The Golden Girls - ran for years with Bea Arthur playing a transsexual accepted by her mother and friends (although never actually mentioned!).

seanchai

I love Ma Vie en Rose

LOL @ The Golden Girl comment

Andreyah

04-12-2005, 05:54 AM

How could you all forget RISKY BUSINESS?!? Remember when Joel (Tom "Mr Eternally Sexy" Cruise) called the shemale escort by mistake... :P

Hugh Jarrod

04-12-2005, 09:54 AM

How could you all forget RISKY BUSINESS?!? Remember when Joel (Tom "Mr Eternally Sexy" Cruise) called the shemale escort by mistake... :P

Oh yeah, pulled that one outta the way back machine!

freak

03-14-2007, 07:25 AM

The protector
The bad lady boss is a real life Transsexual

Beautiful boxer
about a thai kickboxing champ

qeuqheeg222

03-14-2007, 08:37 AM

didnt n.w.a have a song where they are robbing a bank and eazy -e goes to fuck some girl on the florr and she turns out to be a tg..."an the beyatch had a!!!!!!the old 70's song by orleans i think called new orleans lady i'm sure is about tgs in the french quarter!!!ohh they sashay by."

crayons

03-14-2007, 09:07 AM

Wow, everyone here watches the same movies. You guys don't watch Brazilian or Cuban films? I can't even begin to mention the amount of films made that feature tgirls as the main heroines.

peggygee

03-14-2007, 10:48 AM

I haven't managed to see all these films, and I'm sure there are many others I haven't seen or can't remember(I can also remember a horrible film from the 70s or 80s with a M2F serial killer- anyone know the name so I can avoid ever watching it again?). Throw in your suggestions!

Dressed to Kill (1980)

Directed by
Brian De Palma

Writing credits
Brian De Palma (written by)

Release Date:25 July 1980 (USA) more
Genre:Crime / Horror / Mystery / Thriller more
Tagline:The Latest Fashion In Murder more

Plot Outline:A transsexual murders one of his psychiatrist's
patients, and now he's after the prostitute who witnessed it. :roll:

Michael Caine ... Doctor Robert Elliott
Angie Dickinson ... Kate Miller
Nancy Allen ... Liz Blake
Keith Gordon ... Peter Miller

Dennis Franz ... Detective Marino
David Margulies ... Dr. Levy
Ken Baker ... Warren Lockman
Susanna Clemm ... Betty Luce
Brandon Maggart ... Cleveland Sam
Amalie Collier ... Cleaning Woman
Mary Davenport ... Woman in Restaurant
Anneka Di Lorenzo ... Nurse (as Anneka De Lorenzo)
Norman Evans ... Ted
Robbie L. McDermott ... Man in Shower
Bill Randolph

TJT

03-14-2007, 11:25 AM

Someone mentioned "Soldier's Girl",that's damned good movie.

In the very early 80's there was a movie that was essentially a bio-pic of Toronto drag performer. It was a real snapshot of the TV/TS scene pre-AIDS in Toronto and NYC. I can't remember the name of the pic or the performer now?

"Kiss of The Spiderwoman" is highly stylized,but the scenes of Raoul Julia's flashbacks/dreams give a glimpse of the Brazilian TS/TV street scene in those days.

The Tubes had a video that features Alexis Arquette dressed,sharing a car in a funhouse ride w/ a little boy. I think the title of the song was "One in Million"? The Tubes stage shows featured all sorts of alternative lifestyle folk on stage in the 70's. They used to get banned at all sorts of venues.

Lance.Trebor

03-14-2007, 11:32 AM

The picture with the Tronto drag performer was Outrageous! actually a seventies film staring Craig Russel
There was also a follow up called too Outrageous I think though it was nowhere near as good as the first film

TheMan

03-14-2007, 10:38 PM

I'm looking for a film that was released late 80's early 90's about a guy who was abusive to women and then was changed into one. I can't find the title.

TheMan

03-14-2007, 10:41 PM

peggygee

03-14-2007, 11:02 PM

I'm looking for a film that was released late 80's early 90's about a guy who was abusive to women and then was changed into one. I can't find the title.

Switch (1991)

http://imdb.com/title/tt0103016/

Genre:Crime / Fantasy / Comedy more

Tagline:Steve and Walter used to have a preference
for blondes. Then Steve was murdered... and came back
as one. Will being a woman make him a better man?

Plot Outline:A sexist, chauvinist pig gets his just desserts
when his angry ex-girlfriends murder him and he
is reincarnated as a woman.

Ellen Barkin ... Amanda Brooks

Jimmy Smits ... Walter Stone

JoBeth Williams ... Margo Brofman

Lorraine Bracco ... Sheila Faxton
Tony Roberts ... Arnold Freidkin
Perry King ... Steve Brooks

Bruce Payne ... The Devil (as Bruce Martyn Payne)
Lysette Anthony ... Liz

Victoria Mahoney ... Felicia

Basil Hoffman ... Higgins

Catherine Keener ... Steve's Secretary

Kevin Kilner ... Dan Jones
David Wohl ... Attorney Caldwell

James Harper ... Lieutenant Laster

John Lafayette ... Sergeant Phillips

TomSelis

03-14-2007, 11:19 PM

Redman- A day of Sooperman Lover

-"Well how the hell did you save him?
Are you Police/Undercover?"
-"Naw baby,
The "S" on my chest stands for:"

Chorus: Sooperman Lover (Yeah!)
Baby call him the Sooperman Lover
Something wrong...
Something wrong, indeed
Something wrong. Yes, yes indeed...

Verse 2

She was grateful
Lookin' for ways to repay me
No money,
A donut, and some..uhm coffee maybe?
Of course
What kind of sauce(?) did I take?
Make my donut Jelly
And my coffee Sanka
We sat,
Unhooked the cape from the back
She felt my arms
'Cause my pythons looked stacked
"Goddamn, Sooperlover!
Yo shit looks thick
Tell me, how strong are you
With muscles like this? (you bad motherfucker!)"

(I'm stronger than a locomotive)

I'll keep hittin ya like Rocky
She ran to the room
And came back with a (?)
Negligee, high-heeled shoes,
Wit' a blunt in her mouth
Ready to roll up,
Hey hold up/ she had the dollar fold(ed) up
To mix the coke with the smoke
Yo, she was no joke
She took a sniff,
Some got on her top lip
That bitch stuck out her tounge
and gave her top lip a lick
and said: -"Here baby, hit it."
-"Naw baby, I ain't wit' it
You'd need more than a body
To make me wanna hit that shit!"
But I'll hit the blunt
So she took out her fronts
Cracked the philly
Opened the bag and laid out the skunk
Then I took a long pull
It was hype/ outtasite
We ran into the bedroom
So I cracked my pants for head room
Later, tossed the covers
And oh, brother! I was wit' it
Ready to hit it
Asked my dick, "YO, WHASSUP GEE?"
"Yo man, shit's thick"
Licked her down her belly
And kissed her on her back
Stuck my hands between the legs
And I felt the bozack(!)
As big as mine (YO!)
This bitch must be craze,
So I threw my suit on
And I was Swayze...
'Cause I'm the:

Chorus

RawNY

03-14-2007, 11:56 PM

jeffbee

03-15-2007, 03:37 AM

They Might Be Giants has a number of songs that can be interpreted as playing with gender. The two that are the clearest are "How can I sing like a girl?" (obviously) and S-E-X-X-Y.

"How can I sing like a girl
And not be stigmatized
By the rest of the world?
Tell me how can I sing like a girl
And not be objectified
As if I were a girl?"

The trick with S-E-X-X-Y is to interpret is as SEX = XY, the person's sex is male.

"There she is
Standing on the bed
Cookie in one hand, wig on her head
S-E-X-X-Y
X because it's extra baby
Y because it's extra baby
Unnoticed by few
Very very few
And that includes you"

The girl has something 'extra' that many people notice. ;-)

TheMan

03-15-2007, 05:59 AM

I'm looking for a film that was released late 80's early 90's about a guy who was abusive to women and then was changed into one. I can't find the title.

Switch (1991)

It's finally put to rest!

Thank you so much!

Matthias Powerbomb

03-15-2007, 06:21 AM

The movie Blast from the Past featured an actress named Jazzmun propositioning Christopher Walken, "using lawn furniture as a come-on!"

TheMan

03-15-2007, 06:44 AM

I'm suprised no one has said anything about:

40 year old virgin
Ace Ventura
White Chicks

strawberry

03-17-2007, 05:49 AM

Made for TV movie: A Girl Like Me: The Gwen Araujo Story (http://www.lifetimetv.com/movies/originals/agirllikeme.php)

This is one of those with "real transgender women" which you'd think would be positive right? I was online once with a woman who was an extra for the show... when they did the screen tests the "real transgendered women" looked like women!

Oops...

So they got the makeup people to ugly them them up so they looked like what they were "supposed" to look like for the stereotypes to play right. If they hadn't, the audience wouldn't have understood how authentic the scene was. Or something.

Yay for the media![/sarcasm]

ILuvGurls

03-17-2007, 03:34 PM

didn't see mention of "Victor/Victoria".

Synopsis:
The place and time is Paris during the 1930s. Men who can sing as women are all the rage. Desperate for a gig, Victoria, a woman, disguises herself as a man pretending to be a woman. She is all the rage in Paris, as audiences fully believe that she is a he who is just pretending to be a she. Things get even more complicated after the gangster, King Marchan, happens upon a show with Victoria. To his dismay, King Marchan finds that he is falling in love with this man – Victoria. Meanwhile, King's tough bodyguard, Squash, falls in love with Victoria's truly male friend, Toddy. In the end, Victor reveals that he is really Victoria meaning that King Marchan is not homosexual, as he feared.

muttley

04-01-2007, 12:02 PM

T-Rex's Solid 'Gold Easy Action' is about a TS.

iloveshemales77

04-01-2007, 01:37 PM

And who can forget "Tootsie" in which Dustin Hoffman has that great line:
"I was a better man with you, as a woman, than I ever was with a woman, as a man. Know what I mean? I just gotta learn to do it without the dress."

peggygee

05-10-2007, 06:39 AM

Did anyone see Holiday Heart? It featured Ving Rhames as a Drag Queen. And yes he did look as bad as one imagines, but its a good movie.

IFC shows a film by the name of "Different For Girls". I'm sure someone already mentioned it.

I have seen 'Holiday Heart, twice on BET. I was pleasantly surprised
at Ving Rhames ability to portray a drag queen. It was actually a pretty
decent movie, a bit of a tear-jerker.

Another tear-jerker was Different For Girls, which had a number of poignant moments.

Guess, you could say I cry easily at movies. :oops:

TJ347

05-10-2007, 08:28 AM

Did anyone mention "To Wong Foo, Thanks For Everything! Julie Newar"? Probably...

TJT

05-11-2007, 06:44 AM

Kathleen Turner made a couple of appearances on Friends playing Chandler's MTF dad.(Mom?)

I was listening to old compilation of NYC mid-70's punk the the other day. Everyone's favorite punk rock TS,Wayne/Jayne County and the Back Street Boys were doing "Max's Kansas City" on it.

It was rumored that Mink DeVille's "Venus of Avenue D" was about a TG,but that's never been confirmed as far as I know?

partlycloudy

05-15-2007, 12:46 AM

there's a show on fx called 'the riches' that has a ts kid character. it's not that good, but it's interesting how they handle the character. there's a bunch of active torrents if you want to check it out.

NYTSJulie

05-15-2007, 01:42 AM

A bad light. Look at the movie "Trans-America". They made the character look like a cross-dresser who wasn't passable. That makes society think that the transsexual life is.....getting clocked, obstacle after obstacle and very sad.

TomSelis

05-15-2007, 01:52 AM

I saw Hedwig and the Angry Inch the other night on IFC, kinda trippy.

Had me scratching my head that the end....no not that one.

06-16-2007, 02:40 AM

Bump...

Because we've started talking about TSs in the media, on talk shows, in films and on TV. I think this is a relevant thread.

nyctraveler

06-16-2007, 03:05 AM

Does "Dog Day Afternoon" count? A young al pacino not robbing a bank for his ts girlfriend?

dan_drade

06-16-2007, 03:25 AM

I have seen Pincessa, The Crying Game, Ma Vie En Rose and Iron Ladies. I thought they were all great films, and I would love to see more like them. I don't know if I would call them positive or negative, but they seem to have a lot of truth to them at least from what I have seen.

06-16-2007, 03:27 AM

Another question: Should TSs in films be played by actual TSs (like the girl in Princessa)? And would that help the TG movement?

sexyredman

06-16-2007, 06:01 AM

Another question: Should TSs in films be played by actual TSs (like the girl in Princessa)? And would that help the TG movement?

That is the question. They are always casting a genetic male or female inadequate for the role. I am sure there are t-women out there who could fulfill the roles, but they are usually relegated to stand-in/extra-types to lend an air of authenticity. How about be authentic by casting a T-women in the role?

tsntx

06-16-2007, 06:45 AM

Another question: Should TSs in films be played by actual TSs (like the girl in Princessa)? And would that help the TG movement?

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ugh it really pisses me off when they butch up women just to make it "oh ok yeah i see how she could be a man" to middle america... why do we need to dumb shit down? there are a few, NOT MANY, ts women that are pretty enough to play pretty transexuals... to have women playing transexuals is like saying... transexuals arent actually this pretty so we have to use a real woman. fn lame.

TheGuard

06-16-2007, 06:48 AM

Bad Education was interesting, not for it's portrayal of a TS, sadly as a casual cliche, but rather just the personal story Almovdar interjects.

Hara_Juku Tgirl

06-16-2007, 06:55 AM

Another question: Should TSs in films be played by actual TSs (like the girl in Princessa)? And would that help the TG movement?

The reason why they chose real GG's tp play tg part is simply because they want gurantee at the box office in terms of $$. Also it does help if people knew the actor starring in said movie. If its just some tg's they dont know muchless never heard off I doubt the film would make waves, make money etc. having real TG's as actors playing the parts of tg's would be nice but rightnow it's not that feasible. Princessa was a little different because that was a foreign film and an indie at that. Remember Soldier's girl? I didnt think It wasnt even shown in the movie theaters but on cable (Showtime)? :evil:

American tv shows like CSI is a bit different. They actually hire tg actors to play the tg parts. And I think that is somewhat a start, right? ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

HornieHubbieinCT

06-16-2007, 07:12 AM

the crying game, is a solid film, on many levels, terrific movie, with solid story and perfomrances....forrest tucker terrific,..as well as the irish/scottish? dude, and the t girl herself......when it come on, i always revisit it....

Sorry, but I think you meant Forrest Whittiker.

Forrest Tucker was Sargent O'Rourke in F-Troop <guffaw>

HH

pampal

06-16-2007, 07:47 AM

There was an episode of Becker in which his old university pal returns as a post op but doesn't tell Becker right away. The post op tells Becker that she is his friends wife and manages to fool Becker for most of the show. In the end of the show the post op comes clean and tells all

Jericho

06-16-2007, 12:48 PM

Crossdressing count?

Echobelly and "Here comes the big rush"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXVMgVkiEEo

06-17-2007, 11:11 AM

We've already said how annoying it is that they use GGs and sometimes even guys to play TSs and TGs. But can TG actors and actresses make it in Hollywood? I'm not asking if they are good looking enough (the answer to that is a definitive and resounding YES).

We had a thread earlier where someone suggested that it's difficult to succeed once you've mad hardcore porn. I would say that success outside the movie industry or on TV is possible but it's difficult to work as a serious actress once a girl has done porn. I think there is a stigma to porn. And maybe it's rubbed off a little on how people see transwomen.

Soldier's girl is an interesting one because it's based on a true story and because- I think- Calpernia Addams acted as a conultant on the Showtime movie, but the part was played by a man

alpha2117

06-17-2007, 03:53 PM

Baby, You're So Strange lyrics
Artist: Icehouse
Album: A Sides... And Selected B Sides

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ooh, don't talk to me!

Well, you tell me I'm the one then you tell me not to come, oh yeah
Way you call me names way you play those games, oh yeah

Do you believe it? do you believe it?
Could it be another man? well, I just don't understand
Baby, you're so strange

She got high healed shoes, she got rhythm and blues, oh yeah
She got her red dress on 'n' her legs are long, oh yeah

Do you believe it? do you believe it?
Could it be another man? well, I just don't understand
Baby, you're so strange, ooh, yes you are

Baby, so strange...so strange..
Baby, you're so strange (bop, bop, bop, bop...ooo)
You're so strange (bop, bop, bop, bop...ooo)
Mmm, you're so strange (so, so, so, so...ooo strange)
Mmm, you're so strange, you're so strange (bop, bop, bop, bop...ooo)
You're so strange (bop, bop, bop, bop...ooo)
You're so strange (so, so, so, so...ooo strange)
Ah babe you're so strange, ooh

Do (ooh) you believe it? (ooh) do (ooh) you believe it? (ooh)
Could you be another man? well, I just don't understand
Baby, you're so strange

Baby, so strange...yoo-hoo, so strange..
Baby, you're so strange (bop, bop, bop, bop...ooo)
Oh so strange (bop, bop, bop, bop...ooo)
You're so strange (so, so, so, so...ooo strange)
Oh yo-you're strange...you're so strange...(bop, bop, bop, bop...ooo)
Ooh, you're so strange (bop, bop, bop, bop...ooo)
Ooh, babe you're so strange (so, so, so, so...ooo strange)
You're strange...you're so strange...(bop, bop, bop, bop...ooo)
Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam (bop, bop, bop, bop...ooo)
I said i'm so-so strange (so, so, so, so...ooo strange)
Oh, you're--you're positively weird!
You're so strange (bop, bop, bop, bop...ooo)
Mgh! you're so! you're so! you're so! (bop, bop, bop, bop...ooo)
You're so! mgh! (so, so, so, so) yeah, you look weird man!

alpha2117

06-17-2007, 03:59 PM

Jerry Springer
by Al Yankovic

Lyrics:

It's been one week since we got to see
Cheatin' lovers and cousins that marry
Five days since they had the show
With the hermaphrodite, the slut, and the crack ho
Three days since we heard the tale
About the guy who learned his woman was a she-male
Yesterday it occurred to me
That I've been watchin' a bit too much Jerry Springer

Holy cow, d'you see it last week?
Well, they had this one freak
Who sucker-punched his whole family
Do you recall when the brawl
Became a total free-for-all
And Jerry's in the middle tryin' to be the referee
Hey, see the stripper with the implants
She likes to lap dance
And date the boyfriend of her mother
Now here come's Jerry's next guest
And it's a slugfest
'Cause it's her trailer trash brother
Nymphomaniac is back on crack
It's like "When Animals Attack"
They all exhibit reprehensible behavior
Hit 'em in the nose, tear off their clothes
Step on their toes, that's how it goes
They get so violent they have to sign a waiver

They're always swearin', cursin', kickin' butt, and pointin' blame
On the air? They don't care, they've got no shame
There was one guy who I'm sure felt a little strange
When he found out that his wife had a sex change
They have a tendency to scream and yell constantly
They have a history of ripping off their shirts

It's been one week since they had the fight
With the Siamese twins and the transvestite
Five days since that awful brawl
They still haven't got the blood off the wall
It's been three days since the bitter fued
Between the KKK and that gay Jewish black dude
Yesterday, finally dawned on me
I'm spendin' way too much time on that Jerry Springer

Guy Guest : Baby, I've been sleepin' with your sister
Gal Guest : Oh? Well, which one?
Guy Guest : All of them
Gal Guest : Oh! Well, I've been sleepin' with your best friend Jake!
Guy Guest : Yah? Well, well me too!
Gal Guest : Oh!
Guy Guest : And I've sleepin' with your dog Woofie!
(barking)
Gal Guest : Woofie, you b-tch!
Gal Guest : Well, I'm also sleepin' with your pet goat!
(baaahhing)
Guy Guest : That goat doesn't love you!

Once you start watchin', there's just no stoppin'
Your brain shuts down, then your IQ's droppin'
Jerry's the king of confrontation
He's a sensation
He puts the 'sin' in syndication
It's totally worthless, like a bad check
It's like a train wreck
Don't wanna stare but you can't look away
Like Sally Jesse he does talk shows
But with more weirdos
The ratings jumpin' higher everyday
If you've seen the show, well then you know
It's just as low as you can go
The guests are tacky and they're lacking in their hygiene
And pretty soon some ugly goon
Comes in the room and then it's BOOM
In the face of some unsuspecting drag queen

Well it's the kind of show where people scream obscenities
Yankin' hair, throwin' chairs at their hubbies
"Jerry! Jerry!" Now the crowd starts their favorite chant
Should I turn off my TV? I just can't
I have a tendency to watch it religiously
I have a history of taping each one

It's been one week since the show about
Psycho killers with problems they should work out
Five days since the big surprise
When some loser's wife said she's still dating twenty guys
Three days since he interviewed
A bunch of psychic porn star midgets who were all nude
Yesterday, it occurred to me
That I've been watchin' a bit too much Jerry Springer
Tired of wastin' my time on that Jerry Springer
I've got way too much class to watch Jerry Springer
Come over here and pull on my finger

xact

06-17-2007, 06:00 PM

Eva Robin's in "Belle al Bar" (Alessandro Benvenuti 1994)...
A huge database of tg-related movies is http://members.fortunecity.com/jayekayetv/tmovies/

sexyredman

06-17-2007, 06:31 PM

Anybody mention "Bossom Buddies", Tom Hanks old sitcom?

Rupaul's talk show on VH1 was pretty groundbreaking and mainstream.

mbf

07-29-2007, 02:39 AM

the video to Faith No Mores "I am Easy"

John Waters "Pink Flamingo",

as well as John Waters "Serial Mom" - the scene in the court where Kathleen Turner discredits her opponents lawyer by displaying what she has found in his garbage - a "Chix with dicks"-pornmag lol

"The Badge" (usa, 2002) - Patricia Arquette is in it, playing the gf of a TS-hooker that has been murdered.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0286493/

oh, and then i remember one episode of "Married with children" where Al Bundy contacted his football team from highschool for whatever reason and one of th players turns out to have become a TS

oh, and then one of the early X-files episodes entitled "Gender Bender", which hasnt really a TS in it, but some mysterious people who live remote like the Amish but have the ability to morph and change their sexes. a man from that community breaks out and has fun in the city. sex with those poeple on the other hand leads to pheromone-overdose and kills the human partners by over-joy.

sexyredman

07-29-2007, 04:35 AM

the video to Faith No Mores "I am Easy"

John Waters "Pink Flamingo"

Funny enough, that "Easy" video by Faith no more has actual pink flamingos in it.

oh, and then i remember one episode of "Married with children" where Al Bundy contacted his football team from highschool for whatever reason and one of th players turns out to have become a TS

This is a common theme in sitcoms, they have had episodes like that for "The Steve Harvey Show" and the old Nell Carter show "Gimme A Break".

On an episode of the Showtime series "Soulfood" a client of Boris Kodjoe uses his pad to fool around with a girl who turns out to be trans to his dismay.

On an episode of "Girlfriends" they use her http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/16_175.jpg as a gag in a roomate search for Lynn.

Tomfurbs

07-29-2007, 05:01 AM

There is a TG ( or a TV) who features alot in 'Midnight Cowboy'. She has two scenes were she pretty much has the whole scene to herself.

Plus Stephanie Michelini, pictured in me avatar, who starred in the totally immense 'Wild Side'.

A thousand apologies if either of these two have been mentioned before.

sexyredman

07-29-2007, 05:03 AM

Plus Stephanie Michelini, pictured in me avatar, who starred in the totally immense 'Wild Side'.

That was a pretty good movie.

Nowhere

07-29-2007, 05:24 AM

mbf

07-29-2007, 09:47 PM

has the following one been mentioned before?

"Woman on Top" (USA 2000)

http://imdb.com/title/tt0206420/

Brazilian chef Isabella Oliveira (played by Penelope Cruz) moves to San Francisco when her husband, frustrated by her motion sickness, cheats on her. there she lives with a TS Monica Jons (played by Harold Perrineau)

whatsupwithat

07-29-2007, 09:53 PM

To be honest, I'm kinda surprised "Ugly Betty's" character "Alexis" played by Rebecca Romijn hasn't been referenced here, considering she's probably been the most mainstream TS character in history (based on sheer audience) yet. :?

Screw "ugly betty". Rebecca Romjin, a GG...no thanks!

/sorry, sick of the "Oh look at us being all daring and different come watch our show because we're sooooo edgy!" bullshiat

crayons

07-29-2007, 11:15 PM

you guys all mention the obvious stuff. has anyone seen that 80s movie where the killer is a tranny? it's got a bunch of athletes competing for the olympics.

what about boys don't cry? that was a transsexual wasn't it?

D'yer Mak'er

07-30-2007, 01:51 AM

Dario Argento's movie Tenebre had a scene with Eva Robbins, in the role of a gg, but that scene always seemed capricious and slightly irrelevant to me.
Kind of irrelevant to the thread perhaps too, but uh, hey she was gorgeous, and she stepped on a guy's throat after he slapped her.

mbf

08-01-2007, 03:33 AM

its been a while since i saw it....but

doesnt have "Trainspotting" have a ts-scene in it? when one of the guys gets his cock sucked iby a tranny in a car near a club???

mbf

08-21-2007, 10:30 PM

this aint really a movie- or song-reference but in one of the many "Larry Laffer" adventure games of the 1990ies i do remember that the main character, wannabe womanizer Larry, gets tricked by a tranny once

for those who dont know that game-series:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Laffer

mbf

09-21-2007, 11:41 PM

in futuramas episode "Fry and the Slurm Factory" Bender tries to get into a fem-bots pants, using his infamous "F-Ray" just to realize fem-bot is - T-bot.

t-bots answer: "Damn chico, one more upgrade and I'll be more lady than you can handle! Why you so stupid, stupid?"

partlycloudy

09-22-2007, 01:33 AM

the pharcyde - oh shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exT-1cYFHzM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK0M55i3Pts

JANIRA

09-22-2007, 02:59 AM

Honestlly , i would love to see more "Transsexuals" act, when it comes to the part of a transsexual being played by a male actor dressing up like woman, or a Tv, I find it it looses its essnence being that a Ts Couldnt play the role. For exsample i loved "Soliders girl " And it was beautifully done ,, exept for the fact that it was a male actor playing the part of the Ts And its been like that in a few to alot movies i have seen. The movie Prinzesa , was 1 of the very few movies i have seen that its based on a transsexuals life or story of.. That was played by a transsexual and other as well in the movie were aswell. Spanish director Pedro Almadovar is infamous for using Transexuals in his films,, Like bibi anderson, Antonia san juan, to name a few.... Of course in Europe its alot more open towards Gender , sexuality and even Transsexuals.... I just would love to see Transsexuals in films depicted in a diffrent light other than the stereotypical prostitute, or the decieving one who never tells the guys the truth and so forth. Yes, all of these stereotypes do exsit, but i would love to see a movie that will shine a light on Transsexuals not leave them in the dark .

Killah

09-22-2007, 03:59 AM

- Myra Breckenbridge (Raquel Welch as a rather unpleasant mysogynistic M2F)

I haven't managed to see all these films, and I'm sure there are many others I haven't seen or can't remember(I can also remember a horrible film from the 70s or 80s with a M2F serial killer- anyone know the name so I can avoid ever watching it again?). Throw in your suggestions!

Best portrayals ever!!! :P

Chuck

09-22-2007, 08:25 AM

Back in the late 70's (probably 1978) there was a show on NBC called Real People. They did a feature on Finnochios (hope that's the right spelling) in San Fran. It was the first time I saw real life trannies and CD's. Although only ten years old at the time, the seed was planted and I was never the same from that day on.

Nick Nolte also did a movie called Q&A in which he (a crooked cop) stangled a kind of good looking CD.

There was also a show on CBS in the early to mid 70's called Medical Center. In one episode Robert (Brady Bunch) Reed played a doctor seeking SRS. Robert Reed as a transsexual was definitely not cute.

alpha2117

09-22-2007, 09:35 AM