I have a SECRET for you ladies...Once you do porn NOTHING...

[ARMANIXXX]

I have a SECRET for you ladies....Once you do porn NOTHING mainstream will touch you.


Possible Exceptions: Rappers and perhaps a heavy metal rocker or two.


But pretty much, once you do porn you are done.....finished.....you are FOREVER pigeonholed and all you can do is porn or quit and get a regular job.


I'm simply a musician, and that's bad enough, because I don't believe any major label will want to sign the "stigma" of a pornstar.

Not only that, but I have a few director and actor friends, and I asked them about the possibility of doing porn, and they looked at me like I was crazy. They basically told me they'd only consider doing porn if they hit ABSOLUTE rock bottom, because once they crossed over to that, there is no going back and their mainstream aspirations would be over.


So, I see some girls trying to do "bigger and better things".....but some of these girls are pornstars.

Mabey these girls are just spinning their wheels.

What do you think?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I have a secret for you..

Get over yourself.

[Ecstatic]

There have been a few exceptions to prove the rule, but by and large I think you're right. Traci Lords comes to mind: she hasn't had a burgeoning career, but she has done a number of mainstream movies and TV shows and had a starring role in one a few years back. Others that come to mind include Ginger Lynn, Nina Hartley, Veronica Hart, Teri Weigel, and the fat man himself, Ron Jeremy.

[ARMANIXXX]

KellyShore said,


I have a secret for you..

Get over yourself.


__________________________________________________ _____

What do you mean "Get over yourself"?

There's nothing about this topic that's self absorbing.

Have I perhaps touched a nerve?

[ARMANIXXX]

mmm... interesting thread...

:popcorn





lol

I kinda thought so.

Pass the popcorn.

:popcorn

[MrsKellyPierce]

KellyShore said,


I have a secret for you..

Get over yourself.


__________________________________________________ _____

What do you mean "Get over yourself"?

There's nothing about this topic that's self absorbing.

Have I perhaps touched a nerve? No and learn how to quote. You can do more than just be a "pornstar" You can make it a marketable business, Jenna Jameson being one of the people. And now Meghan Chavalier with her book. I think it's pompous and negative to say such a thing, someone may just prove you WRONG.

If they believe in themselves enough and can sell themselves enough. One of these "pornstars" might change that. It's just negativity on your part.

[HornieHubbieinCT]

There is the phenomenon of Pornstar as Star. See Jenna Jameson. Ron Jeremy also falls in here.

I do see that Pornstars keep knocking at this door. Heather Hunter was rapping for awhile. Maybe they'll start pushing though.

Of course, there's that rap that Vanity keeps doing in most of her movies. I think there's a version on YouTube...does that count?

HH

[TJT]

There have been a few exceptions to prove the rule, but by and large I think you're right. Traci Lords comes to mind: she hasn't had a burgeoning career, but she has done a number of mainstream movies and TV shows and had a starring role in one a few years back. Others that come to mind include Ginger Lynn, Nina Hartley, Veronica Hart, Teri Weigel, and the fat man himself, Ron Jeremy.

Except for Tracy Lords in brief stints,the rest of those folks mainstream careers have been minimal at best.

I know of only two who had decent mainstream careers. Spaulding Gray,who did some hippy type free-love porn in the late 60's early 70's and Cassandra Peterson aka Elvira who did some of the same type of stuff in roughly the same period.

If Peterson hadn't developed the Elvira character,it's doubtful if she would've done much legit stuff outside her Groundlings work.

[ARMANIXXX]

^

Your dead here. LOL

[Felicia Katt]

I wonder what Academy Award winner and megastar Sylvester Stallone would say about whether doing porn means never having mainstream success?

http://www.nndb.com/people/761/000023692/

FK

[whatsupwithat]

not true. and I am personally working on some projects that will help to make that so.

also, check out 'colton ford'. his first single's dropping in a few weeks.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Simon Rex also did porn and look what it did for Paris Hilton's career lol

[MrsKellyPierce]

Oh god, I'm gonna stick my foot in it here, but here goes....rather bluntly... Men statistically are much more competetive than women. Dating a girl who's a whore is seen as cheap, and a loser.... There... said it... eekk!!! So doing porn makes you a whore?

[TJT]

Wasn't Stallone's stuff softcore?

I remember seeing stills from his supposed skin flicks in the 70's. Other than his butt ugly mug and hairy ass,they're wasn't much to see.

There were rumors at that time that he'd done some gay porn,but it was never substantiated that I know of?

[ARMANIXXX]

No and learn how to quote. You can do more than just be a "pornstar" You can make it a marketable business, Jenna Jameson being one of the people. And now Meghan Chavalier with her book. I think it's pompous and negative to say such a thing, someone may just prove you WRONG.

If they believe in themselves enough and can sell themselves enough. One of these "pornstars" might change that. It's just negativity on your part.[/quote]

__________________________________________________ _____________________

Pompous and negative?

Perhaps it is,

But it's the truth.


Jenna Jameson. Jenna Jameson is the Pinnacle of the porn industry, and what has she done? Some voice overs? A cameo here and there. Trya Banks?

Give me a break please. Are you tellin me with the MILLIONS of dollars she has made and is still amassing, you tellin me the BEST she can pull off are bit rolls on forgettable shows and B movies?

Jenna Jameson, Next up: JERRY SPRINGER.

I hope that's not your idea of "breakin in the bigtime".

Don't get mad at me...I didn't make the rules up here.....I'm just the reporter of bad news.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Oh god, I'm gonna stick my foot in it here, but here goes....rather bluntly... Men statistically are much more competetive than women. Dating a girl who's a whore is seen as cheap, and a loser.... There... said it... eekk!!! So doing porn makes you a whore?

errr, basically.... YES :lol: Really, hmm well I look at my dating life 100 times differently then I look at when I am doing a porn film. I still have morales, standards, and expect a certain respect. I am not going to clubs and bringing guys home for a one night stand etc.

So I think you might want to define what makes you a whore.

[francisfkudrow]

Believe it or not, I own Traci Lords' 1995 techno album, 1000 Fires. It's not bad.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Oh god, I'm gonna stick my foot in it here, but here goes....rather bluntly... Men statistically are much more competetive than women. Dating a girl who's a whore is seen as cheap, and a loser.... There... said it... eekk!!! So doing porn makes you a whore?

errr, basically.... YES :lol:

Really, hmm well I look at my dating life 100 times differently then I look at when I am doing a porn film. I still have morales, standards, and expect a certain respect. I am not going to clubs and bringing guys home for a one night stand etc.

So I think you might want to define what makes you a whore.

From www.dictionary.com

1. a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money; prostitute; harlot; strumpet. Okay Silvester if you say so. If you are going to use what a dictionary say to define a persons character and what they are about, then you better stick to what the definition it gives to transexuals and guys that date us or have sex with us. I hope you are comfortable with that. You are very closed minded, I never took you as that. Love ya Mary

[ARMANIXXX]

Felicia Katt said,


I wonder what Academy Award winner and megastar Sylvester Stallone would say about whether doing porn means never having mainstream success?

http://www.nndb.com/people/761/000023692/

FK

__________________________________________________ ____________________


There's 2 train of thoughts here about ol Rock, and I happen to subscribe to both.

1. Stallone got lucky. He was never a particular good actor. Enough said. What he did have was an Idea, "Rocky", and because he knew a couple people through some friends, he managed to get a major studio to back his screenwrite. Never again was Stallone able to garner the same critical acclaim outside of the Rocky Series.




2. This is important to this post.

At the time, the studio execs didn't know about Stallones porn activities. There was no internet, no 24 hour cable news, E channel, etc. Stallone used a fake name for his porn exploits, and he was smart for doing so. Had the execs got word of his brief stint in porn, ol Rock woulda hit the canvass before it even made it to the editing table.






The morale of the story.....lets try not to use examples that far back please. It doesn't really mesh with the times of today.....not really.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Felicia Katt said,


I wonder what Academy Award winner and megastar Sylvester Stallone would say about whether doing porn means never having mainstream success?

http://www.nndb.com/people/761/000023692/

FK

__________________________________________________ ____________________


There's 2 train of thoughts here about ol Rock, and I happen to subscribe to both.

1. Stallone got lucky. He was never a particular good actor. Enough said. What he did have was an Idea, "Rocky", and because he knew a couple people through some friends, he managed to get a major studio to back his screenwrite. Never again was Stallone able to garner the same critical acclaim outside of the Rocky Series.




2. This is important to this post.

At the time, the studio execs didn't know about Stallones porn activities. There was no internet, no 24 hour cable news, E channel, etc. Stallone used a fake name for his porn exploits, and he was smart for doing so. Had the execs got word of his brief stint in porn, ol Rock woulda hit the canvass before it even made it to the editing table.






The morale of the story.....lets try not to use examples that far back please. It doesn't really mesh with the times of today.....not really. Simon Rex has been in a lot of movies also

[ARMANIXXX]

Felicia Katt said,


I wonder what Academy Award winner and megastar Sylvester Stallone would say about whether doing porn means never having mainstream success?

http://www.nndb.com/people/761/000023692/

FK

__________________________________________________ ____________________


There's 2 train of thoughts here about ol Rock, and I happen to subscribe to both.

1. Stallone got lucky. He was never a particular good actor. Enough said. What he did have was an Idea, "Rocky", and because he knew a couple people through some friends, he managed to get a major studio to back his screenwrite. Never again was Stallone able to garner the same critical acclaim outside of the Rocky Series.




2. This is important to this post.

At the time, the studio execs didn't know about Stallones porn activities. There was no internet, no 24 hour cable news, E channel, etc. Stallone used a fake name for his porn exploits, and he was smart for doing so. Had the execs got word of his brief stint in porn, ol Rock woulda hit the canvass before it even made it to the editing table.






The morale of the story.....lets try not to use examples that far back please. It doesn't really mesh with the times of today.....not really. Simon Rex has been in a lot of movies also


Who?

[ARMANIXXX]

Simon Rex has been in a lot of movies also

__________________________________________________ _______

--IMDB.COM

Actor Simon Rex had an auspicious entrance into the world of entertainment when he appeared in some hard-core pornographic solo scenes in a series of straight-to-video gay porn releases. Though he initially found mainstream fame as an MTV VJ, his naughty past came back to haunt him and cost him that job. A series of television flops followed, speckled occasionally with a supporting role in films. Some mainstream credibility returned after a stint on "Felicity" (1998) and eventually an acclaimed comedic turn as a spoof-on-Eminem rapper in Scary Movie 3 (2003), but Rex has never been able to escape his reputation as a pretty face with a checkered history in adult entertainment.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Felicia Katt said,


I wonder what Academy Award winner and megastar Sylvester Stallone would say about whether doing porn means never having mainstream success?

http://www.nndb.com/people/761/000023692/

FK

__________________________________________________ ____________________


There's 2 train of thoughts here about ol Rock, and I happen to subscribe to both.

1. Stallone got lucky. He was never a particular good actor. Enough said. What he did have was an Idea, "Rocky", and because he knew a couple people through some friends, he managed to get a major studio to back his screenwrite. Never again was Stallone able to garner the same critical acclaim outside of the Rocky Series.




2. This is important to this post.

At the time, the studio execs didn't know about Stallones porn activities. There was no internet, no 24 hour cable news, E channel, etc. Stallone used a fake name for his porn exploits, and he was smart for doing so. Had the execs got word of his brief stint in porn, ol Rock woulda hit the canvass before it even made it to the editing table.






The morale of the story.....lets try not to use examples that far back please. It doesn't really mesh with the times of today.....not really. Simon Rex has been in a lot of movies also


Who? He was an Mtv VJ he has been in sitcom series on tv he has been in Scary Movie 4 and other movies.

[ARMANIXXX]

^

So I've read

:roll:

[MrsKellyPierce]

^

So I've read

:roll: He is still doing mainstream stuff, he has another movie coming out. And Jenna Jameson has done a few scary movies and sitcoms also.

[mbf]

once uve done poern, ur mainstream career is over-what a heap of BS!

in fact, thats true with ANY profession of field of knowledge. if u made a name for yourself in a certain field of lets say engineering or the arts or even as the best plumber in downtown, if u wanna change career or ur workfield it will always be tough.

besides: in the meantime its getting the other way round. mainstream/celebrity-world has become very pornographic anyways. u started out as the girl next door type and now ure record-sales/downloads are down? easy, become "robo-whore" britney/guilera style. same with current hip-hop - boy, it CANT be the music in those vids that attracts people.

and then theres ageing "mainstream" stars (admitted with a strong connotation to sex) like pam anderson or beloved bimbo paris that gave a strategically placed private porn vid a boost for their career.

the list goes on......

especially in the enterteinment-world ure stuck with what made u successful. a prime example are actresses/actors who got popular with certain roles/shows. they will always be "Moulder" (in the case of david duchovny), no matter how hard they try to be in other movies.

and in fact horror AND porn brought so many people into the enterteinment industry, admitted, mostly behind the scenes. directors, cutters, make up etc etc. because thats the way u learn things. that definitely seems to have changed with the internet tho.

[TsJennifer]

This is one of the reasons I have decided to never do any kind of porn.

[GroobySteven]

This is one of the reasons I have decided to never do any kind of porn.

Yet don't you escort?

seanchai

[GroobySteven]

The original poster is correct in the fact that no pornstars have really broken into mainstream but really, how many people have? Certainly almost no transsexual pornstars. If you truly have the talent and aspirations to go into the non-adult entertainment industry then do now do adult work, it will work against you and it will forever, be brought back up.

An adult performer is not a "whore" anymore than any mainstream actor selling or playing a sexual role is. If they're having sex on-screen then they're doing the same thing.

seanchai

[Azanti]

What seanchai said.

[taniatv]

I have a SECRET for you ladies....Once you do porn NOTHING mainstream will touch you.


Possible Exceptions: Rappers and perhaps a heavy metal rocker or two.


But pretty much, once you do porn you are done.....finished.....you are FOREVER pigeonholed and all you can do is porn or quit and get a regular job.


I'm simply a musician, and that's bad enough, because I don't believe any major label will want to sign the "stigma" of a pornstar.

Not only that, but I have a few director and actor friends, and I asked them about the possibility of doing porn, and they looked at me like I was crazy. They basically told me they'd only consider doing porn if they hit ABSOLUTE rock bottom, because once they crossed over to that, there is no going back and their mainstream aspirations would be over.


So, I see some girls trying to do "bigger and better things".....but some of these girls are pornstars.

Mabey these girls are just spinning their wheels.

What do you think?

That's not exactly correct but I think you might be right if you said ex porn stars rarely make it big in the mainstream.

Here's a wiki list that would disagree with your initial statement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_porn_stars_who_appeared_in_mainstream_film s

[LG]

I wonder what Academy Award winner and megastar Sylvester Stallone would say about whether doing porn means never having mainstream success?

http://www.nndb.com/people/761/000023692/

FK

True...

But Stallone managed to cover it up pretty well from the studio execs who gave him his first breaks. And, even though he didn't bury the movie, I understand that has been edited heavily and that the hardcore scenes have since been taken out.

But Stallone made just one porn film. He was never a porn star. No porn star has ever made it big in Hollywood (I'd say the definition of making it big is having at least one- preferably more- major role in a hit movie not a supporting role in a movie that bombed at the box office, Tania), not even Traci Lords or Ron Jeremy, because they have played mostly minor roles and the appearance of the Jeremy in films like Orgazmo was basically an in-joke.

Any girl that does porno will always have that fact brought against her. It's not right, but it'll always happen. I doubt I'll ever be taking my kids to watch a movie starring Tera Patrick or Sylvia Saint, much less Vaniity or Saigon Lee, even though all four would look beautiful on the silver screen. It just won't happen.

That's not to say all doors outside the porn industry are closed to her. It's only to say that Hollywood will tend to keep the gates firmly shut.

And mbf, I can't say I agree with you. Changing your career is difficult but possible (I know this from experience). A successful engineer can still become a successful painter, for example, and a good doctor can still succeed as an architect if he gets the qualifications and is good enough. It's not that people can't change careers , it's that there is a stigma attached to porn. Simply put, most people would not take their kids to a movie starring a former porno actress (or actor).

Sure, porn stars can become presenters, DJs (case in point: the lovely Niki Bellucci), VJs and even columnists writing sex-related columns (even in the mainstream media) but making it big in mainstream movies? I doubt it.

[ARMANIXXX]

This is one of the reasons I have decided to never do any kind of porn.


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Interesting.


Do you have music or TV/movie aspirations?

[Ecstatic]

Believe it or not, I own Traci Lords' 1995 techno album, 1000 Fires. It's not bad.
So do I, and it is quite decent. "Control" was a Billboard top ten at one point, and her autobiographical "Father's Field" recounting her childhood rape and how it affected her life (especially the errie distancing from herself that helped feed her porn activities) is striking.

Success? Well, how do you define success?


Lords moved into mainstream films, and has appeared in a number of B-movies. At 18, Lords began studying at the Lee Strasberg Theatre Institute, and soon after, starred in a remake of Roger Corman's cult favorite Not of This Earth. Then in 1990, she was added to the cast that included Johnny Depp, Ricki Lake, and Iggy Pop, in John Waters' Cry Baby, playing the role of Wanda Woodward. Other movies on her resume include Blade, Extramarital, Black Mask 2: City of Masks, and Chump Change. The latter won her a Best Actress Award at the U.S. Comedy Arts Festival.

In addition to movies, Lords has also made many appearances in various TV shows, including Married... with Children, MacGyver, Highlander, Tales from the Crypt, Hercules, Gilmore Girls, and Will & Grace among others, along with recurring roles in Profiler, Roseanne, and Melrose Place. From late in 2000 to 2001, Lords appeared in the Francis Ford Coppola produced sci-fi series First Wave, playing Jordan Radcliffe, the newest member of a group called Raven Nation that combats extraterrestrial aliens.

[Felicia Katt]

LG, the topic was Once you do porn, not once you become a porn star. I stand by my response. Stallone succeeded because he wrote a great screenplay and then insisted on acting in it, against all the exec's wishes. If you have talent and drive and guts, and a little luck, having done porn will not hold you back.

FK

[Jennifer_English]

I have a SECRET for you ladies....Once you do porn NOTHING mainstream will touch you.

Make a good job of it and you wont need to do anything else anyway !

:wink:

[LG]

LG, the topic was Once you do porn, not once you become a porn star. I stand by my response. Stallone succeeded because he wrote a great screenplay and then insisted on acting in it, against all the exec's wishes. If you have talent and drive and guts, and a little luck, having done porn will not hold you back.

FK

You're right. I know. But Stallone was an exception and there's a whole lot of difference between doing one small porn film and being known as a porn actress. And since the post referred to the girls here who have done porn I think my point is relevant. Most of the girls here who have been in porn have done several porn films (Vicki, Allanah etc).

And I agree that nothing will hold you back if you have talent. But there is a stigma attached to porn. And that is why I think that it will be very, very, very difficult for any girl to truly succeed in the movie business if she has become known as a porn actress.

That said, there are many other jobs in the entertainment industry the girls can do (DJing, VJing and presenting TV shows are three I mentioned and all three have been done by former porn stars). Just not the movies (can you imagine a conservative family watching a film with their kids that stars Sylvia Saint or Saigon Lee?).

[ARMANIXXX]

LG, the topic was Once you do porn, not once you become a porn star. I stand by my response. Stallone succeeded because he wrote a great screenplay and then insisted on acting in it, against all the exec's wishes. If you have talent and drive and guts, and a little luck, having done porn will not hold you back.

FK


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Stallone and talent is almost an oxymoron.

lol

[ARMANIXXX]

I have a SECRET for you ladies....Once you do porn NOTHING mainstream will touch you.

Make a good job of it and you wont need to do anything else anyway !

:wink:


__________________________________________________ ________________________


Agreed.

[Realgirls4me]

This is one of the reasons I have decided to never do any kind of porn.

... Like I've suggested in the past, just do a supporting role or cameo on a TS video with all your clothes on. Scantily and scintillating wear such as some beautiful lingerie or a hot bikini would work for me. You need not go carnal, girl.

Do it for your fans, Jen. :)

[peggygee]

The original poster is correct in the fact that no pornstars have really broken into mainstream but really, how many people have? Certainly almost no transsexual pornstars. If you truly have the talent and aspirations to go into the non-adult entertainment industry then do now do adult work, it will work against you and it will forever, be brought back up.

An adult performer is not a "whore" anymore than any mainstream actor selling or playing a sexual role is. If they're having sex on-screen then they're doing the same thing.

seanchai




That's not exactly correct but I think you might be right if you said ex porn stars rarely make it big in the mainstream.

Here's a wiki list that would disagree with your initial statement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_porn_stars_who_appeared_in_mainstream_film s

Armanixxx, way to earn that CTE. :wink:

There is a long history of media stars from different genres crossing
over to mainstream Hollywood success.

Singers like Frank Sinatra, Judy Garland, Barbara Streisand, Cher, hell
even Elvis had some decent roles.

Today the rap industry has turned Will Smith, Ice Cube, Queen Latifah,
LL Cool J, Mos Def, into household names with a huge box office draw.

Sadly the same has not held true for the porn star overall.

[ILuvGurls]

I wonder what Academy Award winner and megastar Sylvester Stallone would say about whether doing porn means never having mainstream success?

http://www.nndb.com/people/761/000023692/

FK

i wasn't aware that stallone had won an academy award, of course the film "Rocky"(best picture) won but i don't think sly actually won an oscar.

[peggygee]

I have a SECRET for you ladies....Once you do porn NOTHING mainstream will touch you.

Make a good job of it and you wont need to do anything else anyway !

:wink:

Does a porn star particularly a TS porn star make enough to ensure
them for a life time?

To my knowledge there are no residuals on the video. The star is paid
a few hundred dollars per scene.

She may make more money now as an escort because she has name
recognition.

However, in the porn industry or escort profession we are talking a
prime earning period of between 18 - 35 at the outside. If a women
doesn't have a second carrer, another marketable skill or hasn't
invested wisely, she may find herself in a precarious financial situation.

[LG]

I wonder what Academy Award winner and megastar Sylvester Stallone would say about whether doing porn means never having mainstream success?

http://www.nndb.com/people/761/000023692/

FK

i wasn't aware that stallone had won an academy award, of course the film "Rocky"(best picture) won but i don't think sly actually won an oscar.

Nominated two times (Best Actor and Best Screenplay) for Rocky. No actual Oscars and no nominations since, I believe.

Hey, even Ben Affleck got an Oscar for Best Screenplay.

[Jennifer_English]

Does a porn star particularly a TS porn star make enough to ensure them for a life time?


I guess if they are wise with their $$, Produce their own porn rather than line someone else's pockets they could.....(Wendy williams and Joanna Jet style) - damn i hope so!!

:wink:

[ARMANIXXX]

I wonder what Academy Award winner and megastar Sylvester Stallone would say about whether doing porn means never having mainstream success?

http://www.nndb.com/people/761/000023692/

FK

i wasn't aware that stallone had won an academy award, of course the film "Rocky"(best picture) won but i don't think sly actually won an oscar.


__________________________________________________ ________________________________



He didn't.





Edit in..... Apparently it's been said like 2 or 3 times.

*shrug* One more can't hurt I guess.

[HornieHubbieinCT]

The original poster is correct in the fact that no pornstars have really broken into mainstream but really, how many people have? Certainly almost no transsexual pornstars. If you truly have the talent and aspirations to go into the non-adult entertainment industry then do now do adult work, it will work against you and it will forever, be brought back up.

An adult performer is not a "whore" anymore than any mainstream actor selling or playing a sexual role is. If they're having sex on-screen then they're doing the same thing.

seanchai




That's not exactly correct but I think you might be right if you said ex porn stars rarely make it big in the mainstream.

Here's a wiki list that would disagree with your initial statement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_porn_stars_who_appeared_in_mainstream_film s

Armanixxx, way to earn that CTE. :wink:

There is a long history of media stars from different genres crossing
over to mainstream Hollywood success.

Singers like Frank Sinatra, Judy Garland, Barbara Streisand, Cher, hell
even Elvis had some decent roles.

Today the rap industry has turned Will Smith, Ice Cube, Queen Latifah,
LL Cool J, Mos Def, into household names with a huge box office draw.

Sadly the same has not held true for the porn star overall.

Doesn't mean it never will. But does mean that porn is not a stepping stone to sucess in the entertainment industry, it's a hurdle.

HH

[suckseed]

I wish all the women here would make a youtube video, actually. If J. Paris does one, I'll re-enact my first humiliating time with a ts escort with sock puppets and put it up!!

[AlySinclair]

Mainstream. Who wants to be mainstream anyway. That's like eating vanilla ice cream forever and ever and ever every day for eternity. What would I have to do to deserve that?

[mbf]

Mainstream. Who wants to be mainstream anyway. That's like eating vanilla ice cream forever and ever and ever every day for eternity. What would I have to do to deserve that?

*applause *applause *applause

@lg: mainstream? whats the definition ? likeu wrote movies u would take ur kids with? sure u wont have former porn stars in them, because those "all-family"-movies nowadays see to be all computer generated animation anyway.

u wont see 99.9999% of ANY actor/actress in big hit movies (pirates of the caribbean, spiderman etc), because its only a few big names that will get those films the desired number of viewers.

[LG]

@lg: mainstream? whats the definition ? likeu wrote movies u would take ur kids with? sure u wont have former porn stars in them, because those "all-family"-movies nowadays see to be all computer generated animation anyway.

u wont see 99.9999% of ANY actor/actress in big hit movies (pirates of the caribbean, spiderman etc), because its only a few big names that will get those films the desired number of viewers.

What am I, a dictionary? :lol: Joking, joking.

I'd say the movies you mention are mainstream. I'd say it's stuff with a decent chance of being shown on general release in the US, where the arthouse market is not as large as France or Spain. I'd say it represents what is seen as the 'norm', whatever that means. In this case, Hollywood movies could be considered mainstream. It doesn't have to be big budget, but anything that most people would be likely to go to. So John Woo's Paycheck and Face/off I'd consider mainstream movies. John Woo's Hardboiled may have been a mainstream movie in Hong Kong but in America it is considered an arthouse/cult action-thriller.

That also shows, I think, how it's possible to cross over. Almodovar, at first was not even mainstream for Spain. Now he's accepted in the US, although his films still don't get widely released (so not stricly mainstream, I would say) but the stars of his films, like Penelope Cruz and Antonion Banderas have crossed over into what I would consider the mainstream.

It's difficult to define. Sure, I can get a dictionary definition for you, but I think it's better to think about it like this with examples. And this is just my view, of course.

But how important is it to be mainstream? Perhaps for an individual artist, not very. An artist of any kind who appeals to an eclectic crowd has more freedom, but less recognition (and less income). For transsexual movie stars and musicians, this recognition brings not just personal satisfaction, I feel, but also furthers the transgender movie.

I feel a few things need to happen before transgender people can become accepted as artists by more than a selected few, before transsexual girls can become goddesses of the silver screen, and before records by transgenders can win awards that are well-known rather than awards specifically for LGBT musicians . Firstly, guys need to be able to watch a tgirl onscreen or buy a record by a tgirl band and not be embarrassed or feel like they will be teased for being "gay" (here we need education as much as anything). Secondly, parents have to be willing to have their kids watch films starring and listen to music made by transsexuals. And in this case, if a girl has been in porn, it makes it doubly difficult for her to be accepted.

Rocco Siffredi has been in an arthouse movie (I did not see it but heard that his acting was more wooden than his dick). Ron Jeremy has had supporting roles as has Traci Lords. Some pornstars have hosted TV shows, but I can't imagine NBC giving them their own sitcom or chat show. I won't say nothing will touch you if you've been in porn, but I do think it makes it very difficult to make it big in many kinds of work, particularly in Hollywood.

Just my views...

[hondarobot]

From what I've read in this thread, I'm not the first to say this, but:

The internet has completely changed the "porn stigma". A video shoot or a photo set itself probably doesn't pay a great deal (although, for TS girls, payment is on the higher end of the scale), but establishing a porn persona through these means and then creating a website can be very financially rewarding.

I think the reason why more porn people don't pursue "mainstream success" anymore is because it would be a pretty dumb thing to pursue. It's nearly impossible for anyone to break into mainstream entertainment, and even if they do it's a rough path to take. Virtually everyone who tries to be a Hollywood Movie Star gets fucked up in the process, most people just hear about the miniscule number of people who catch lightning in the bottle.

Saying "porn ruins a porn star for mainstream success" can also be applied to brain surgeons, land barons and astronauts. Those morons sure fucked themselves, didn't they? They will never be movie stars, statistically speaking. Who want's to cast a brain surgeon in the next big blockbuster?

A modern day porn star, who runs a website or sites, conducts their business wisely, and invests, is very capable of having an extremely comfortable future.

[LG]

From what I've read in this thread, I'm not the first to say this, but:

The internet has completely changed the "porn stigma". A video shoot or a photo set itself probably doesn't pay a great deal (although, for TS girls, payment is on the higher end of the scale), but establishing a porn persona through these means and then creating a website can be very financially rewarding.

I think the reason why more porn people don't pursue "mainstream success" anymore is because it would be a pretty dumb thing to pursue. It's nearly impossible for anyone to break into mainstream entertainment, and even if they do it's a rough path to take. Virtually everyone who tries to be a Hollywood Movie Star gets fucked up in the process, most people just hear about the miniscule number of people who catch lightning in the bottle.

Saying "porn ruins a porn star for mainstream success" can also be applied to brain surgeons, land barons and astronauts. Those morons sure fucked themselves, didn't they? They will never be movie stars, statistically speaking. Who want's to cast a brain surgeon in the next big blockbuster?

A modern day porn star, who runs a website or sites, conducts their business wisely, and invests, is very capable of having an extremely comfortable future.

The question wasn't "Why would the want to" but "Assuming they do, can they?".

As for casting a brain surgeon in the next blockbuster, that won't happen, but a brain surgeon might just end up becoming a Hollywood star over a period of time and with hard work. As to why he would want to, I don't know.

Whoopi Goldberg- Mortuary cosmetitician
Denis Leary- Semi-pro hockey player
Ben Stein: Presidential speech-writer
Harrison Ford: Carpenter

These are just some who have made it in the mainstream entertainment biz despite having worked in other business. Rod Stewart was a grave-digger, apparently, and Ozzy Osbourne worked in a slaughterhouse, and I'll assume neither enjoyed his job, but there are case of people who succeed in one walk of life and then in another. There are musicians who paint, movie directors who write books, hell, you've even had an actor becoming president.

I still think there is a stigma. Then again, it may be a moot point, becuase a successful TS porn star can earn enough to retire quite young, if she has invested wisely. But, like I said, there is could be a huge gain for the transsexual movement if TS girls start appearing in movies. At the very least, it would be good to see TSs playing TS parts, rather than men (Jaye Davidson, Gael Bernal and others) or women (Marcia Gay Harden, Felicity Huffman etc).

[hondarobot]

That being said, LG, I'd say "yes". A porn star, a TS porn star, or a brain surgeon could all very well become a mainstream entertainment star. If that's what someone want's to do, they should pursue that. Past occupations may make things more difficult, but nothing is impossible.

The best part is that now if that does happen, I can refer back to this thread and say:

"Ha! What did I tell you? I was right again!"

:D

[Felicia Katt]

I wonder what Academy Award winner and megastar Sylvester Stallone would say about whether doing porn means never having mainstream success?

http://www.nndb.com/people/761/000023692/

FK

i wasn't aware that stallone had won an academy award, of course the film "Rocky"(best picture) won but i don't think sly actually won an oscar.

You are right, my bad. It won for best picture and bst director and Stallone was nominated for best actor and best screenplay. But it was his movie, start to finish, You can mock him for all his later career choices (Rhinestone????) but it takes real talent to make an enduring modern classic like Rocky.

FK

FK

[ARMANIXXX]

You are right, my bad. It won for best picture and bst director and Stallone was nominated for best actor and best screenplay. But it was his movie, start to finish, You can mock him for all his later career choices (Rhinestone????) but it takes real talent to make an enduring modern classic like Rocky.

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[TJT]

LOL!!!

[muhmuh]

I'd say it's stuff with a decent chance of being shown on general release in the US

by that definition the us is the only place that decides whats mainstream and what isnt
i dunno about you but personally i think being part of the us mainstream is less than undesireable and tend to not touch any movies that dont come with a limited tag with a 10 foot pole

and as far as straight porn stars are concerned or generally people in porn who arent excluded from mainstream by default ... would they do porn if they were good actors ?