The Group Secret

[MrsKellyPierce]

Nikki X, Shaela, and Felicia. Are very talented girls. You should send them kudos on their www.youtube.com and check out when their website will be up.

Nikki X is the one that is helping Miriam through this hard time, she's incredibly sweet, beautiful, and talented. Along with the other two girls.

To watch their videos

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=nikkibarbiedoll

[elo]

I think i know their secret. :P

The new Spice Tgirls. :claps

[Legend]

They won't get far unless their singing improves because right now that sound like crap.

[MrsKellyPierce]

They won't get far unless their singing improves because right now that sound like crap. :roll:

[Legend]

They won't get far unless their singing improves because right now that sound like crap. :roll:

Don't give me the rolling eyes emoticon,i'm just giving a little constructive criticism come on kelly i think it's cool what they are trying to do but their singing is horrible.

[MrsKellyPierce]

They won't get far unless their singing improves because right now that sound like crap. :roll:

Don't give me the rolling eyes emoticon,i'm just giving a little constructive criticism come on kelly i think it's cool what they are trying to do but their singing is horrible. If you say so. I liked their singing, and you probably didn't watch both videos. They were fooling around being funny in the one on the streets. And if Rupaul can make a singing career, they can too. And have you heard the Pusscat Dolls sing live? They aren't that great. And God love Dana International, but she isn't either.


Nikki singing Danity Kane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m7-9WgsIJw

[LG]

Thanks for this Kelly...

Shaela (Sunny spelled it Shayla in another thread) looks like a girl I could really fall for. What a beautiful, sweet smile....

Their music and singing ain't that great, I'll agree, but I think they'll improve with some coaching and experience. A lot of worse singers have become big names thanks to the right management. I'll look forward to their European tour. Maybe I can meet Shaela then :D

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

one word: ugh

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I cant sing for shit so I'll give them "props". Although, I noticed that there were "real vocals" behind the song in which they were trying to go along with using their real voices? They're pretty girls tho. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[hwbs]

still laughing ay the youtube post jwbl put up of one them....

[CORVETTEDUDE]

"The Three Amigos!!"

[ILuvGurls]

much better dancing than singing.....my 2 pennies

[Nooksack]

Good aspiration... nice dancing... improve the vocals.

[Quinn]

"The Three Amigos!!"

LMAO..... I wish them the best of luck, but, unfortunately, they really can't sing for shit.

-Quinn

[peggygee]

Here's my :2cent

I think you have a shot.

I've just spent 30 minutes watching your
videos with a dicerning eye. I see a
level of marketable talent.

However, you are going to need more vocal
coaching, and work on range, pitch, control,
choice of material, etc.

It's true that 'studio magic' can correct a
multitude of sins, but it would really be
great for you girls to be known as ladies
who could really sing, and not be a
novelty act, or a one hit wonder.

Along those lines, I might suggest that you
somewhat limit your exposure until you
have tightened up your act. You don't want
to alienate any potential fans by putting
yourself out there prematurely.

And while Youtube, and the like are fun and
trendy things to do, they also can be marketing
devices. So if you are going to utilize them,
try to put your best foot forward.

The music business can be fun, but bottom
line, it is a business. If you truly desire to
make it in that industry, you should treat it
accordingly.

Good luck.

Hope to hear much more from you soon.

[lisaparadise]

nikki omfg shes the hottest babe ive seen in awhile smokin thanks for the vids kelli

[MrsKellyPierce]

You're welcome Lisa. I'm choosing to ignore the negative things said. They are very marketable, and they always put them through all those things when they sign to a record label.

[suckseed]

They are very marketable, and they always put them through all those things when they sign to a record label.

Actually that's not true...sorry to be the 'bear of bad news' (roar!) but nowadays record companies get so many potential Beyonces that can sing their asses off and just need to be paired with material that they don't do much in the way of artist development. Profits are down, and talented acts get dropped all the time. You've got to have the goods before you hit the stage, otherwise it's karaoke time.
Whenever I hear a vocal group that sounds like the average gathering of people singing 'Happy Birthday' in 5 different keys at once I stop listening immediately unless I want to be amused. I'm not saying that's the case here, but singing not only to a prerecorded track, but over existing vocals....that's the sign of girls getting together for fun, not as a career move. Which is fine.

[ARMANIXXX]

Ok,

I'm gettin ready to give this a listen, but I give fair warning, I'm a musician and I'm not gonna take it easy on them......I'm serious about music.

Here goes.

[lesrg]

very nice

[MrsKellyPierce]

They are very marketable, and they always put them through all those things when they sign to a record label.

Actually that's not true...sorry to be the 'bear of bad news' (roar!) but nowadays record companies get so many potential Beyonces that can sing their asses off and just need to be paired with material that they don't do much in the way of artist development. Profits are down, and talented acts get dropped all the time. You've got to have the goods before you hit the stage, otherwise it's karaoke time. Then how do you explain Danity Kane and other pop groups that were trained. The Spice girls went through 2 years of training before even coming out with an album.

[bob85]

this is all im going to say
Felicia is pretty hot

[peggygee]

Ok,

I'm gettin ready to give this a listen, but I give fair warning, I'm a musician and I'm not gonna take it easy on them......I'm serious about music.

Here goes.

Stay tuned to this station for developments on this story.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/TV-screen.jpg

And now back to American Idol, already in progress;

Simon: "Paula wake up you drunken hasbeen slut"

Paula:"Fuck you Simon you pompous twat".

Randy: "Dawg, which Jackson am I related to Jesse or Michael?"

:lol:

[suckseed]

They are very marketable, and they always put them through all those things when they sign to a record label.

Actually that's not true...sorry to be the 'bear of bad news' (roar!) but nowadays record companies get so many potential Beyonces that can sing their asses off and just need to be paired with material that they don't do much in the way of artist development. Profits are down, and talented acts get dropped all the time. You've got to have the goods before you hit the stage, otherwise it's karaoke time. Then how do you explain Danity Kane and other pop groups that were trained. The Spice girls went through 2 years of training before even coming out with an album.

Who or what in the hell is a Danity Kane. What kind of name is that? Calamity Jane? Sounds like a porn star name like, oh...Jessica Labia or something. Alicia Keys will be remembered in twenty years, because she's an artist. But for the sake of argument, let's limit ourselves to teeny-bopper stuff. Certain 'supergroups' are put together by guys with deep pockets for the purposes of appealing to the masses, who are known for their good taste. These cigar-chewing types look for extremely goodlooking and/or talented individuals to apply the starmaking machinery to. But these groups are the exception, not the norm in the business.

[MrsKellyPierce]

They are very marketable, and they always put them through all those things when they sign to a record label.

Actually that's not true...sorry to be the 'bear of bad news' (roar!) but nowadays record companies get so many potential Beyonces that can sing their asses off and just need to be paired with material that they don't do much in the way of artist development. Profits are down, and talented acts get dropped all the time. You've got to have the goods before you hit the stage, otherwise it's karaoke time. Then how do you explain Danity Kane and other pop groups that were trained. The Spice girls went through 2 years of training before even coming out with an album.

Who or what in the hell is a Danity Kane. What kind of name is that? Calamity Jane? Sounds like a porn star name like, oh...Jessica Labia or something. Alicia Keys will be remembered in twenty years, because she's an artist. But for the sake of argument, let's limit ourselves to teeny-bopper stuff. Certain 'supergroups' are put together by guys with deep pockets for the purposes of appealing to the masses, who are known for their good taste. These cigar-chewing types look for extremely goodlooking and/or talented individuals to apply the starmaking machinery to. But these groups are the exception, not the norm in the business. You totally went around what I was saying. There is no use debating if thats how you debate. The Facts remain that all POP groups are trained. N'sync, New Kids On The Block, Spice Girls, The Pussy cat Dolls, all of them. Because it's a group of girls or guys that are just meeting for the first time or they need finessing.

lol Lawdy and Danity Kane is from Puff Daddy. And all the girls seem to love them.

[suckseed]

:lol: :lol: ok ya got me kelly. i actually just youtubed and wikipedia'd up freaking danity kane (that name kills me.)
Kelly, this is a reality show band! totally manufactured, with millions being spent promoting their manicured asses! And you're right - this debate is silly.
Hey, I wish 'Secret' all the luck in the world.
I'll make you a bet, kelly: if 'Danity Kane' still exists by the end of 2008...I'll make your bunk beds! (I kid!)

[MrsKellyPierce]

:lol: :lol: ok ya got me kelly. i actually just youtubed and wikipedia'd up freaking danity kane (that name kills me.)
Kelly, this is a reality show band! totally manufactured, with millions being spent promoting their manicured asses! And you're right - this debate is silly.
Hey, I wish 'Secret' all the luck in the world.
I'll make you a bet, kelly: if 'Danity Kane' still exists by the end of 2008...I'll make your bunk beds! (I kid!) All pop groups are manufactured. They have to be, especially if they are meeting for the first time. And you are working with 2, 3, 4, 5 and so on and so forth singers rather than just one. But Britney Spears, Beyonce, and yes even Destiny's Child went through training before they came out with their first album. Yes yes they practiced for years on their own and with Beyonce's father, but they had more FORMAL training when they signed to their record label.

It's a group, they are going to be manufactured. To get the best harmony out of the group.

[elo]

Shaela reminds me of Eve.Not only her look,her voice as well.Sweet.Could be the rapper of the band like Left Eye.

Felicia/Athena is cute too,but she really needs more singing lessons.No offens.

They have for sure potencial,now they have to do something with it.
Very important would be a really good PR and own songs.Not only covering songs or dancing on stage to songs.

Being a TS group might be helpfull at the beginning to catch attention but there has to be more tuo come.As i said they have potential.

[suckseed]

Roger that on Shaela. Very cute.

[ARMANIXXX]

Well.....I want to critique this group, unfortunately there isn't much to critique at this point since they don't have their own material and they sang over tracks.

I did however appreciate the routine they had. Sure, it wasn't full on and there were some obvious miscues, that can be expected at this juncture of thier development. I think they did an ameteur but admirable job routine wise.


What I don't personally quite find admirable is the "singing over tracks", especially since I'm a vocal specialist. I definately want to hear THEM, and they aren't gonna be able to hide from that forever. At the very least, they could have walked into just about any Karaoke store and bought an instrumental version of the song they sang.


So because I haven't had a listen to thier voices "raw and uncut", I will reserve any precepts and criticism.



I would like to offer to them the advice of attaining a vocal coach, a serious coach/instructor. Groups often need and benefit from coaches because it's often difficult to mesh multiple voices into to a GOOD sounding harmony.


Good luck to SECRET, and I hope they have something vocally legitimate soon.

[Vicki Richter]

Legend you're a jackass as usual.

Hung Angels Rule #57 - Legend is a jackass and should be banned.

[Vicki Richter]

My personal assessment is that they are a ton better than I would have expected. Have you guys (on HA) ever heard TS sing before? It is usually terrible. It is like listening to nails on chalkboard combined with an evil rabid pit bull eating a squeeky chewtoy. These girls are actually pretty good.

I would question the marketability of TS in general to the American public, but you really do have to give these girls props. I was expecting something terrible and this was pretty descent for people only doing this a few months.

[ARMANIXXX]

All pop groups are manufactured. They have to be, especially if they are meeting for the first time. And you are working with 2, 3, 4, 5 and so on and so forth singers rather than just one. But Britney Spears, Beyonce, and yes even Destiny's Child went through training before they came out with their first album. Yes yes they practiced for years on their own and with Beyonce's father, but they had more FORMAL training when they signed to their record label.

It's a group, they are going to be manufactured. To get the best harmony out of the group.

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On the idea that a major record label will be willing to possibly give SECRET a "development deal"......I suppose anything's possible.

But not likely. Record labels don't give those out anymore and certainly not like they used to.
The music business has been hard on them and they don't spend the resources "develping" and grooming acts anymore.

What they will do is take pretty near finished products (acts), acts that have some material already that they like, sign em up, and spend the majority of the budget finding more material to complete an album. Those acts are usually VERY polished acts, with sometimes a hint of rawness. While the material gets hammered out, the act can work out the raw and get the finishing polish. This type of deal is EXTREMELY rare however.


But because CEO's don't last long these days AND because investors want to be paid NOW, Most Major's want FULLY COOKED acts these days....material and all. They simply don't want to wait for said act to "possibly find awesome material" and POSSIBLY become elite performers. They now want the WHOLE DEAL RIGHT NOW, and they want it for as cheap as possible. No more lush budgets and heavy spending on any new acts.

Gone are the days of half or partially cooked acts gettin dream deals. The internet is also a big reason for this. Why, because crappy artists aren't selling well anymore....they're gettin downloaded.

[Legend]

Legend you're a jackass as usual.

Hung Angels Rule #57 - Legend is a jackass and should be banned.

Isn't it time for you to make another meaningful video for your youtube fans :roll:

I'm a jackass because i was the first one to point out that those girls can't sing what so ever in which other posters are in agreement with me.Its cool what they doing but from that one video she removed they are full of themselves already talking about selling millions of albums i'm saying if your that cocky at least back it up with killer vocals.

The gimmick can only last so long until they realize they are going to actually sing great,if you want examples look at other transgendered groups that have failed.

[Kabuki]

It's amazing that TG groups and singers can actually do well in Asia. You would think that a free speech country like the USA would have similar success stories. The truth is that mainstream America isn't ready yet. Purchasing their album in the states would be like participating in an "Am I gay?" thread on HA. I wish the girls all the luck in the world, but I have my doubts. Especially with today's music industry.

[ARMANIXXX]

My personal assessment is that they are a ton better than I would have expected. Have you guys (on HA) ever heard TS sing before? It is usually terrible. It is like listening to nails on chalkboard combined with an evil rabid pit bull eating a squeeky chewtoy. These girls are actually pretty good.

I would question the marketability of TS in general to the American public, but you really do have to give these girls props. I was expecting something terrible and this was pretty descent for people only doing this a few months.

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Well Vicky,

What exactly are you saying they were good at?


Cause as I said, they sang over tracks.

There's nothing good about that. I'm not saying they were bad singers in thier performance, rather I'm simply saying, there really was NO vocal performance at all.

*shrug*

[ed_jaxon]

It's amazing that TG groups and singers can actually do well in Asia. You would think that a free speech country like the USA would have similar success stories. The truth is that mainstream America isn't ready yet. Purchasing their album in the states would be like participating in an "Am I gay?" thread on HA. I wish the girls all the luck in the world, but I have my doubts. Especially with today's music industry.


But if they have talent (I liked them) they can go overseas and do well.

We might not be ready but the rest of the world would probably love them.

Cutting edge music and acts eg. jazz and house are always embraced first there.

[Legend]

It's amazing that TG groups and singers can actually do well in Asia. You would think that a free speech country like the USA would have similar success stories. The truth is that mainstream America isn't ready yet. Purchasing their album in the states would be like participating in an "Am I gay?" thread on HA. I wish the girls all the luck in the world, but I have my doubts. Especially with today's music industry.

I think their being transgender has nothing to do with it or free speech people want to hear groups they can actually sing.

[Solitary Brother]

My personal assessment is that they are a ton better than I would have expected. Have you guys (on HA) ever heard TS sing before? It is usually terrible. It is like listening to nails on chalkboard combined with an evil rabid pit bull eating a squeeky chewtoy. These girls are actually pretty good.

I would question the marketability of TS in general to the American public, but you really do have to give these girls props. I was expecting something terrible and this was pretty descent for people only doing this a few months.

I think they are pretty good and I KNOW MUSIC.
I got a news flash for some of your haterz out there...BEYONCE sucks!
If this were the 80's should wouldnt even get a recording contract and she is the top female singer out so what does that tell ya'?
These girls arent trained musicians give them credit for the talent they do have.
If they posed with there cocks out you guys would saying something completely different.

[trannybanger]

I think they are pretty good and I KNOW MUSIC.
I got a news flash for some of your haterz out there...BEYONCE sucks!
If this were the 80's should wouldnt even get a recording contract and she is the top female singer out so what does that tell ya'?
These girls arent trained musicians give them credit for the talent they do have.
If they posed with there cocks out you guys would saying something completely different.

are you serious?
they are pretty good?
no "trained musician" would just sing over a cd that they bought at the Barnes & Noble and neither would any amateur musician starting out with the aspiration to make a real tangible career out of it

[Solitary Brother]

I think they are pretty good and I KNOW MUSIC.
I got a news flash for some of your haterz out there...BEYONCE sucks!
If this were the 80's should wouldnt even get a recording contract and she is the top female singer out so what does that tell ya'?
These girls arent trained musicians give them credit for the talent they do have.
If they posed with there cocks out you guys would saying something completely different.

are you serious?
no "trained musician" would just sing over a cd that they bought at the Barnes & Noble

Can u read nimrod?
I said they ARENT trained and she was just giving us a taste of what she can do.

[Legend]

My personal assessment is that they are a ton better than I would have expected. Have you guys (on HA) ever heard TS sing before? It is usually terrible. It is like listening to nails on chalkboard combined with an evil rabid pit bull eating a squeeky chewtoy. These girls are actually pretty good.

I would question the marketability of TS in general to the American public, but you really do have to give these girls props. I was expecting something terrible and this was pretty descent for people only doing this a few months.

I think they are pretty good and I KNOW MUSIC.
I got a news flash for some of your haterz out there...BEYONCE sucks!
If this were the 80's should wouldnt even get a recording contract and she is the top female singer out so what does that tell ya'?
These girls arent trained musicians give them credit for the talent they do have.
If they posed with there cocks out you guys would saying something completely different.


STFU and get your head of out nikki's ass,no one even said anything about beyonce so i can tell were your coming from on this matter.No one is gonna tell these girls their singing is all that when they clearly aren't that good.


"These girls arent trained musicians give them credit for the talent they do have."

LOL

[trannybanger]

I think they are pretty good and I KNOW MUSIC.
I got a news flash for some of your haterz out there...BEYONCE sucks!
If this were the 80's should wouldnt even get a recording contract and she is the top female singer out so what does that tell ya'?
These girls arent trained musicians give them credit for the talent they do have.
If they posed with there cocks out you guys would saying something completely different.

are you serious?
no "trained musician" would just sing over a cd that they bought at the Barnes & Noble

Can u read nimrod?
I said they ARENT trained and she was just giving us a taste of what she can do.

I obviously submitted too quickly to try and get a reply in before I choked from laughter at the fact that you "KNOW MUSIC" but before you even typed this, I had edited it to my sentiments. So yes, nimrod, I actually can read, but apparently I don't posess the fortitude to notice musical genius when I see it. The "taste" you say they gave us is plenty for me to know what they can do.

So why don't you climb back up to Mt. Olympus where you all knowing music moguls sit and get off my tip. Hell, you are probably Puffy anyway. Bad Boy 4 Life.

[ARMANIXXX]

I think they are pretty good and I KNOW MUSIC.
I got a news flash for some of your haterz out there...BEYONCE sucks!
If this were the 80's should wouldnt even get a recording contract and she is the top female singer out so what does that tell ya'?
These girls arent trained musicians give them credit for the talent they do have.
If they posed with there cocks out you guys would saying something completely different.

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I have to take exception to what you said.

First, How or why would you say Beyonce sucks? How does a girl who obviously has strong and polished TRUE life vocal prowess suck?

Why would you say an act, such as Beyonce, who can obviously sing, but can dance, write material, and act with at least moderate capacity......how or why would you say she sucks?

See, I KNOW MUSIC and when someone is good, it's often very apparent, often right away.

Now, I wouldn't fault you for claiming not to personally like her.....that would be ok, but someone who claims to know music, I'm sorry brotha, I do take exception and would have to question your own musical knowledge.

If you are a true musician, most musicians, most serious musicians themselves like and want to hear good music/performances. I honestly have never heard Beyonce give a bad performance. Have you
Solitary Brother, Cause I honestly haven't yet.

One more thing, as I asked Vicky,
What was it that you personally liked about Secret?
I did appreciate their dancing, but there was NO singing. Singing over tracks is not singing.....not from a vocalist's standpoint.

Maybe you might explain.

thanks.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I think they are pretty good and I KNOW MUSIC.
I got a news flash for some of your haterz out there...BEYONCE sucks!
If this were the 80's should wouldnt even get a recording contract and she is the top female singer out so what does that tell ya'?
These girls arent trained musicians give them credit for the talent they do have.
If they posed with there cocks out you guys would saying something completely different.

__________________________________________________ _____________________


I have to take exception to what you said.

First, How or why would you say Beyonce sucks? How does a girl who obviously has strong and polished TRUE life vocal prowess suck?

Why would you say an act, such as Beyonce, who can obviously sing, but can dance, write material, and act with at least moderate capacity......how or why would you say she sucks?

See, I KNOW MUSIC and when someone is good, it's often very apparent, often right away.

Now, I wouldn't fault you for claiming not to personally like her.....that would be ok, but someone who claims to know music, I'm sorry brotha, I do take exception and would have to question your own musical knowledge.

If you are a true musician, most musicians, most serious musicians themselves like and want to hear good music/performances. I honestly have never heard Beyonce give a bad performance. Have you
Solitary Brother, Cause I honestly haven't yet.

One more thing, as I asked Vicky,
What was it that you personally liked about Secret?
I did appreciate their dancing, but there was NO singing. Singing over tracks is not singing.....not from a vocalist's standpoint.

Maybe you might explain.

thanks. I posted a video of where you could hear Nikki singing Danity Kane and she sounded awesome. Again let me repost it. And you can hear her plain as day as the song goes on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m7-9WgsIJw

Not to mention they aren't asking for Grammy Awards in these videos they are just trying to show themselves get their names out there and their personality. And obviously they are all very sweet and funny girls.

So stop being Simon Cowell.

[Vicki Richter]

Britney Spears always lip syncs and has overpowering background vocals on all her tracks. Everyone knows she is a average singer at best. These girls have to be at least that good. At least in my opinion, they are that good.

I didn't hear the thing about the millions of albums. That is pretty silly. That sounds like one of those 80's rock bands in "The Metal Years" saying "we're gonna make it" before they even write a song.

[MrsKellyPierce]

All pop groups are manufactured. They have to be, especially if they are meeting for the first time. And you are working with 2, 3, 4, 5 and so on and so forth singers rather than just one. But Britney Spears, Beyonce, and yes even Destiny's Child went through training before they came out with their first album. Yes yes they practiced for years on their own and with Beyonce's father, but they had more FORMAL training when they signed to their record label.

It's a group, they are going to be manufactured. To get the best harmony out of the group.

__________________________________________________ _________________________



On the idea that a major record label will be willing to possibly give SECRET a "development deal"......I suppose anything's possible.

But not likely. Record labels don't give those out anymore and certainly not like they used to.
The music business has been hard on them and they don't spend the resources "develping" and grooming acts anymore.

What they will do is take pretty near finished products (acts), acts that have some material already that they like, sign em up, and spend the majority of the budget finding more material to complete an album. Those acts are usually VERY polished acts, with sometimes a hint of rawness. While the material gets hammered out, the act can work out the raw and get the finishing polish. This type of deal is EXTREMELY rare however.


But because CEO's don't last long these days AND because investors want to be paid NOW, Most Major's want FULLY COOKED acts these days....material and all. They simply don't want to wait for said act to "possibly find awesome material" and POSSIBLY become elite performers. They now want the WHOLE DEAL RIGHT NOW, and they want it for as cheap as possible. No more lush budgets and heavy spending on any new acts.

Gone are the days of half or partially cooked acts gettin dream deals. The internet is also a big reason for this. Why, because crappy artists aren't selling well anymore....they're gettin downloaded. Sweety they give them out still. Epic, Columbia, and Arista all still do. If they got picked up by one of them they would do it for sure.

[Legend]

Britney Spears always lip syncs and has overpowering background vocals on all her tracks. Everyone knows she is a terrible singer. These girls have to be at least that good. At least in my opinion, they are that good.

I didn't hear the thing about the millions of albums. That is pretty silly. That sounds like one of those 80's rock bands in "The Metal Years" saying "we're gonna make it" before they even write a song.

Comparing there vocal talents to britney spears isn't saying much thats basically saying they suck like her.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Britney Spears always lip syncs and has overpowering background vocals on all her tracks. Everyone knows she is a terrible singer. These girls have to be at least that good. At least in my opinion, they are that good.

I didn't hear the thing about the millions of albums. That is pretty silly. That sounds like one of those 80's rock bands in "The Metal Years" saying "we're gonna make it" before they even write a song.

Comparing there vocal talents to britney spears isn't saying much thats basically saying they suck like her. lol yeah she sucks so much that she has is the only female artist to have 4 number 1 consecutive albums. Lets not forget the power of STAR POWER.

[Kabuki]

It's amazing that TG groups and singers can actually do well in Asia. You would think that a free speech country like the USA would have similar success stories. The truth is that mainstream America isn't ready yet. Purchasing their album in the states would be like participating in an "Am I gay?" thread on HA. I wish the girls all the luck in the world, but I have my doubts. Especially with today's music industry.

I think their being transgender has nothing to do with it or free speech people want to hear groups they can actually sing.

A lot of singers can't actually sing in this day and age. It's all about how the corporations back these singers. That's why you see the same crappy videos on tv, and hear the same crappy songs on the radio. The labels pay for air play. Britney Spears can't sing, but made millions. Most pop singers can't sing.

[Vicki Richter]

One more thing, as I asked Vicky,
What was it that you personally liked about Secret?
thanks.

I didn't really say I liked it. I said they were much better than I expected. I don't buy CD's anymore and haven't for years. I don't even listen to the radio. When I go to dance clubs, even the new stuff is just rehashed/remixed stuff that has already been done different ways. I honestly often feel it would be nice if I was more into music.

Would I rush out to buy their CD? No, but then I don't buy any CD's. What I said was, as TS, they are very good. TS sound terrible 99% of the time - so bad it it sounds retarded. These girls didn't sound terrible. Does that mean I think they are Christina Aguelera or Pussycat Dolls? No, but they are very good for TS who actually sing and don't just lipsync.

[ARMANIXXX]

Britney Spears always lip syncs and has overpowering background vocals on all her tracks. Everyone knows she is a average singer at best. These girls have to be at least that good. At least in my opinion, they are that good.

I didn't hear the thing about the millions of albums. That is pretty silly. That sounds like one of those 80's rock bands in "The Metal Years" saying "we're gonna make it" before they even write a song.


__________________________________________________ ________________________


See, the difference between Britney Spears and SECRET....Britney Spears is established.

Britney Spears came out appealing to Elementry School kids during the time BEFORE the internet really took off and before people were downloading and such. Now, Now it's a differen't ballgame.

Not to mention, Britney "hot shitty mess" Spears had hooks in the industry via disney Disney.


Furthermore,

Britney Spears, as an artist, she's dead in the water and her entertainment career, as it once was, I'm betting it's over.

Christina Agulera, on the other hand and for the most part, her career can go for as long as she wants.

[Legend]

My whole point is that do you people corporations are gonna support this group right now NO thats why i think they need to rely on their singing abilities right now their singing sucks,so you can throw away comparing then to talentless people like spears and such.

[Vicki Richter]

Britney Spears always lip syncs and has overpowering background vocals on all her tracks. Everyone knows she is a terrible singer. These girls have to be at least that good. At least in my opinion, they are that good.

I didn't hear the thing about the millions of albums. That is pretty silly. That sounds like one of those 80's rock bands in "The Metal Years" saying "we're gonna make it" before they even write a song.

Comparing there vocal talents to britney spears isn't saying much thats basically saying they suck like her. lol yeah she sucks so much that she has is the only female artist to have 4 number 1 consecutive albums. Lets not forget the power of STAR POWER.

Here is why a TS band will never make it in the next 20 years. Guys won't buy the albums. They will call other guys who listen to it gay. Guys who profess that the girls are hot would get ostrasized. That leaves the women - which honestly don't always relate to TS women. TS probably aren't a very big market for teen America. You can't have young boys or girls thinking they are hot like you can Back Street Boys or Britney. So, even if they think they are hot, nobody can admit to it without getting the gay stigma. And then gay guys don't think they are hot because they like other guys. The girls actually fuck themselves by doing their act at gay events - which might be the only venue, but would alienate straight mainstream society - particularly the men. It's really a fucked up thing without a credible, defineable fan base.

If I was a TS band, I would get some amazing DJ/mixer to create some tracks that were unique and addicting. The music is what could make any group. Don't rely on yourselves to write good beats and songs. That is very unlikely. If people just like it because it's fierce, then they can overcome social stigma. Also, write gender ambiguous lyrics.

[Vicki Richter]

My whole point is that do you people corporations are gonna support this group right now NO thats why i think they need to rely on their singing abilities right now their singing sucks,so you can throw away comparing then to talentless people like spears and such.

I don't think their singing sucks at all. That is my point. Sucky vocals is Neil Diamond or The Cars... or even Led Zepplin.

[Solitary Brother]

I think they are pretty good and I KNOW MUSIC.
I got a news flash for some of your haterz out there...BEYONCE sucks!
If this were the 80's should wouldnt even get a recording contract and she is the top female singer out so what does that tell ya'?
These girls arent trained musicians give them credit for the talent they do have.
If they posed with there cocks out you guys would saying something completely different.

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I have to take exception to what you said.

First, How or why would you say Beyonce sucks? How does a girl who obviously has strong and polished TRUE life vocal prowess suck?

Why would you say an act, such as Beyonce, who can obviously sing, but can dance, write material, and act with at least moderate capacity......how or why would you say she sucks?

See, I KNOW MUSIC and when someone is good, it's often very apparent, often right away.

Now, I wouldn't fault you for claiming not to personally like her.....that would be ok, but someone who claims to know music, I'm sorry brotha, I do take exception and would have to question your own musical knowledge.

If you are a true musician, most musicians, most serious musicians themselves like and want to hear good music/performances. I honestly have never heard Beyonce give a bad performance. Have you
Solitary Brother, Cause I honestly haven't yet.

One more thing, as I asked Vicky,
What was it that you personally liked about Secret?
I did appreciate their dancing, but there was NO singing. Singing over tracks is not singing.....not from a vocalist's standpoint.

Maybe you might explain.

thanks.

Fellow Bay Arean.
Beyonce sucks.
She is beautiful no question but she is an airhead.
How come this little UNTRAINED girl Jennifer Hudson can come out of nowhere and upstage her in the movie DREAMGIRLS?
"Strong vocals"?
What the hell are you smokin?
Strong vocals are Xtina......or Patty Labelle or Whitney Huston or Tenna Marie or Taylor Dane or Barbara Streisand or Aretha Frankiln or Mariah Carey or Linda Eder or Matha Walsh or Loletta Holloway or Stephanie Mills......there are many.
Beyonce?
Not so much.
She is fine as hell though........

(BART is driving me crazyyyyyy!!!)

[Kabuki]

Fellow Bay Arean.
Beyonce sucks.
She is beautiful no question but she is an airhead.
How come this little UNTRAINED girl Jennifer Hudson can come out of nowhere and upstage her in the movie DREAMGIRLS?
"Strong vocals"?
What the hell are you smokin?
Strong vocals are Xtina......or Patty Labelle or Whitney Huston or Tenna Marie or Taylor Dane or Barbara Streisand or Aretha Frankiln or Mariah Carey or Linda Eder or Matha Walsh or Loletta Holloway or Stephanie Mills......there are many.
Beyonce?
Not so much.
She is fine as hell though........

(BART is driving me crazyyyyyy!!!)

Beyonce can sing, and Jennifer Hudson went through American Idol boot camp. They train their singers off the stage. I wouldn't compare the two.

[TJ347]

If guys will buy Sylvester's albums, which they did, then they'd buy an album made by transsexuals... provided the albums are actually good. That's what did it for Sylvester, his talent as an artist couldn't be denied.

[Legend]

My whole point is that do you people corporations are gonna support this group right now NO thats why i think they need to rely on their singing abilities right now their singing sucks,so you can throw away comparing then to talentless people like spears and such.

I don't think their singing sucks at all. That is my point. Sucky vocals is Neil Diamond or The Cars... or even Led Zepplin.

You might not because you look at them as your transgender sisters trying to make it in the music industry but look at the comments by other posters their singing isn't that great,the lip syncing to a background track is over which is the way it should be.Of course those artist you named would be consider sucky nowadays their era is from the 80's where they were probably consider good at there time.

[Dina Delicious]

i give anyone credit that has the balls to expose themselves and try to reach for more

kisses
Dina

[MrsKellyPierce]

At least it cause controversy and it will help get their name out there no matter. Controversy makes people want to tune in.

[peggygee]

Here is why a TS band will never make it in the next 20 years. Guys won't buy the albums. They will call other guys who listen to it gay. Guys who profess that the girls are hot would get ostrasized. That leaves the women - which honestly don't always relate to TS women. TS probably aren't a very big market for teen America. You can't have young boys or girls thinking they are hot like you can Back Street Boys or Britney. So, even if they think they are hot, nobody can admit to it without getting the gay stigma. And then gay guys don't think they are hot because they like other guys. The girls actually fuck themselves by doing their act at gay events - which might be the only venue, but would alienate straight mainstream society - particularly the men. It's really a fucked up thing without a credible, defineable fan base.

If I was a TS band, I would get some amazing DJ/mixer to create some tracks that were unique and addicting. The music is what could make any group. Don't rely on yourselves to write good beats and songs. That is very unlikely. If people just like it because it's fierce, then they can overcome social stigma. Also, write gender ambiguous lyrics.

I was pretty much sold on Vicki's logic, until;




If guys will buy Sylvester's albums, which they did, then they'd buy an album made by transsexuals... provided the albums are actually good. That's what did it for Sylvester, his talent as an artist couldn't be denied.


I then recalled Sylvester, Boy George, RuPaul. Now of course those
were gay males, and Secret is transwomen, and the times are different,
but they may have an uphill battle to achieve mainstream popularity.

[ARMANIXXX]

I posted a video of where you could hear Nikki singing Danity Kane and she sounded awesome. Again let me repost it. And you can hear her plain as day as the song goes on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m7-9WgsIJw

Not to mention they aren't asking for Grammy Awards in these videos they are just trying to show themselves get their names out there and their personality. And obviously they are all very sweet and funny girls.

So stop being Simon Cowell.


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I listened to it.

And from an amateur standpoint, she wasn't bad. She only sang 1 verse, but she stayed in key while moving.


Not bad......certainly not horrible.

I have to go BBQ,

But I'll listen again later and check to see how this potential blow up thread turns out :lol:

later.

[TJ347]

I think where there's talent, there's customers. Elton John's still getting paid quite well to this day and his fans know he's gay. True, "Secret" is a group of transwomen, but my point is that if they've got the talent, they'll sell albums. Sure, they won't sell as many albums as they would if they were GGs, but if their music is good, they'll do well enough that they won't have to work part-time jobs to make ends meet.

[The Truth]

All talentless bubble gum pop groups are successful because they appeal to children. I doubt Secret can do the same. But they're not just that good to appeal to adults. Just my thought.

[62des]

By the way they're singing now they won't get two cents an album. But atleast they're sexy.

[The Truth]

They'll probably will be successful if they did some cabaret-type of thing (not porn). That I'll pay to see (although I'll pay for porn too).

[hwbs]

remember this is hung angels..i dont think we have launched any singing careers yet, lol....

[whatislove]

All talentless bubble gum pop groups are successful because they appeal to children. I doubt Secret can do the same. But they're not just that good to appeal to adults. Just my thought.

Way to boil it down! Just throw in Vicki's viewpoint... creative music and songs are the only way they could move any units. (Well, maybe they could move my unit, but they would have to do it face to face...)

[whatsupwithat]

No one mentioned Asia Vitale? Check her out on youtube.

And all my love and luck to Secret. I was in the music biz for a long time. Ain't easy and ain't all it's cracked up to be. :)

[whatsupwithat]

I just watched that video. They did Ultra Nate! Nice.

very nice. yay, girls!

oh, and you need a white boy dancing with you. :)

[Felicia Katt]

a 7 page thread about a Felicia, and its not even me LOL

I hope these girls have every success, but its a long shot for any group, and their odds are probably not enhanced by their being TS. Talent doesn't guarantee success and lacking talent isn't a barrier to it either. You never know what will make a hit record or hot group. Its a combination of skill and luck and timing. You would never have predicted Boy George or Rupaul before they hit it big either

FK

[Vicki Richter]

You guys keep mentioning Rupaul. Is he a singer? I thought he was just an entertainer. I bet he is totally broke now. Hardly someone for the community to stand behind.

[tsntx]

You guys keep mentioning Rupaul. Is he a singer? I thought he was just an entertainer. I bet he is totally broke now. Hardly someone for the community to stand behind.

sure he is... is he a good singer? well thats debatable... but i personally love him! not only is he entertaining but he does a lot of charity work.


hes still very part of the public eye and is still doing well for himself... hes far from broke.

official site
http://www.rupaul.com/

apparently his new movie starring, my fav. "queen", Candis Cayne is opening this weekend
http://www.starrbooty.com/

this is my favorite song hes done

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cru5PZPL9So


and of course....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh1m_-Vou08&mode=related&search=

[LG]

You guys keep mentioning Rupaul. Is he a singer? I thought he was just an entertainer. I bet he is totally broke now. Hardly someone for the community to stand behind.

sure he is... is he a good singer? well thats debatable... but i personally love him! not only is he entertaining but he does a lot of charity work.


hes still very part of the public eye and is still doing well for himself... hes far from broke.

I agree, although I'd say that RuPaul, strictly speaking is a drag queen rather than a full time pre-op/non-op TS.

It is difficult for any band to make it and especially so I think for LGBT bands, especially if they want to appeal to teenagers. Sadly, I can't imagine many conservative American parents wanting their kids to listen to transexuals. And I imagine any boy admitting to enjoying their music would be mocked by his friends.

The other thing, I feel, is S*E*C*R*E*T need a lot of work before they are ready to release a record. They need to have their own songs, they need a great deal of voice coaching, they need an ambitious and visionary producer to help them along the way, a choreographer and a lot of publicity. It could happen, but it's difficult. They're pretty girls (especially Shayla, if I may say it again) but that won't be enough on its own.

However, transgender singers have succeeded in Asia as has been pointed out (Harisu is one example, but there are at least two girl bands as well- Lady from Korea and Venus Flytrap from Thailand), but also elsewhere. There is a gimmicky cross-dressing band called The Honeytraps in the UK, then there's Lipstick Conspiracy in the US, Veronica Klaus, the very attractive Angela Piland, Dana International and the award-winning Transcendence Gospel Choir. Some of these girls can sing beautifully, others cannot sing for shit. Then again, that never stopped Britney or the Spice Girls (although Sporty Spice can sing okay).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_musicians
http://www.afterelton.com/archive/elton/music/2005/3/trans.html

So can they make it? Definitely. Will they? I hope so, but I'm not so sure. Will I buy their records? Certainly. Would I attend their concerts? Yes, especially if someone can get me a backstage pass to meet Shayla. :wink:

[hotfireman69]

I thought the lovely lady on the right was named Athena, at least that is what I have seen on SunnyDee party pics.....am I wrong...Did you change her name?

[Vala_TS]

You guys keep mentioning Rupaul. Is he a singer? I thought he was just an entertainer. I bet he is totally broke now. Hardly someone for the community to stand behind.

sure he is... is he a good singer? well thats debatable... but i personally love him! not only is he entertaining but he does a lot of charity work.


hes still very part of the public eye and is still doing well for himself... hes far from broke.

official site
http://www.rupaul.com/

apparently his new movie starring, my fav. "queen", Candis Cayne is opening this weekend
http://www.starrbooty.com/

this is my favorite song hes done

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cru5PZPL9So


and of course....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh1m_-Vou08&mode=related&search=

They have a doll of RuPaul? Weird. Do they have one of him/her as a guy too? Or are the hair and dress detachable?

Vala,

[LG]

They have a doll of RuPaul? Weird. Do they have one of him/her as a guy too? Or are the hair and dress detachable?

Vala,
:shock:


I just realised what you plan to do with it once you get one. :lol:

[ARMANIXXX]

How about the other 2 girls......can they sing?

[peggygee]

However, transgender singers have succeeded in Asia as has been pointed out (Harisu is one example, but there are at least two girl bands as well- Lady from Korea and Venus Flytrap from Thailand), but also elsewhere. There is a gimmicky cross-dressing band called The Honeytraps in the UK, then there's Lipstick Conspiracy in the US, Veronica Klaus, the very attractive Angela Piland, Dana International and the award-winning Transcendence Gospel Choir. Some of these girls can sing beautifully, others cannot sing for shit. Then again, that never stopped Britney or the Spice Girls (although Sporty Spice can sing okay).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_musicians
http://www.afterelton.com/archive/elton/music/2005/3/trans.html

So can they make it? Definitely. Will they? I hope so, but I'm not so sure. Will I buy their records? Certainly. Would I attend their concerts? Yes, especially if someone can get me a backstage pass to meet Shayla. :wink:

Asia = Buddhist, America = Judeo-Christian, different mindsets that
could hinder their success.

However this as an aside.

From a another time and genre.

Wendy Carlos (born Walter Carlos, November 14, 1939) is an American
composer and electronic musician. Carlos is one of the first famous
performers of electronic music using synthesizers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Carlos

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/carpixa.jpg

Discography
(Albums released during years 1968–1975 were originally released under
name "Walter Carlos". Later albums and all re-issues have been released
under the name "Wendy Carlos".)

Switched-On Bach (1968)
The Well-Tempered Synthesizer (1969)
Sonic Seasonings (1972)
A Clockwork Orange (soundtrack) (1972)
Switched-on Bach II (1974)
By Request (1975)
Switched-On Brandenburgs (1979)
The Shining: Score Selections (soundtrack) (1980)
Tron (soundtrack) (1982)
Digital Moonscapes (1984)
Beauty In the Beast (1986)
Land of the Midnight Sun (1986 composition, released on the 1998 Sonic Seasonings reissue)
Secrets of Synthesis (1987)
Peter and The Wolf (1988) (with "Weird Al" Yankovic)
Switched-On Bach 2000 (1992)
Tales of Heaven and Hell (1998)
Switched-On Boxed Set (1999)
Recovering Lost Scores, Volume 1 (2005) (The Shining, A Clockwork Orange, UNICEF)
Recovering Lost Scores, Volume 2 (2005) (The Shining, Tron, Split Second, Woundings)

[suckseed]

Not surprisingly.....the one transgender person do have been quietly prolific out of all the names mentioned? Wendy Carlos, due to her talent, vision and dedication to the music. And her gender was never made into the 'point' of her music at all.

Legend? may I suggest that you take a minute before you post and reread what you wrote? Maybe insert a comma or two, or break up the sentence into two? I know it's not writing for the newspaper, but it's easy enough to do, and I know it would make your posts easier to comprehend.

I also feel that I KNOW MUSIC, having played professionally, made several albums, etc., which all served to put me where I am today....catering at 30k annually :roll:

The great thing about recording nowadays is that there are so many home studios which are capable of sounding amazing. The girls need to find a guy into music and TS, of which I'm sure there are plenty in the city, and
get in there and record and experiment. They should be singing to their own tracks if they're going to sing to backing tracks live. In an age where the average kid can sound like a musical genius via Garageband, the girls should get a Mac and start writing their own tunes. It's a helluva lot of fun too.

Who is Sylvester?

[peggygee]

Not surprisingly.....the one transgender person do have been quietly prolific out of all the names mentioned? Wendy Carlos, due to her talent, vision and dedication to the music. And her gender was never made into the 'point' of her music at all.


The great thing about recording nowadays is that there are so many home studios which are capable of sounding amazing. The girls need to find a guy into music and TS, of which I'm sure there are plenty in the city, and get in there and record and experiment. They should be singing to their own tracks if they're going to sing to backing tracks live. In an age where the average kid can sound like a musical genius via Garageband, the girls should get a Mac and start writing their own tunes. It's a helluva lot of fun too.

Who is Sylvester?

Of transgender women who have become luminaries in the musical
industry, I feel that Wendy Carlos and Sylvester deserve mention.

I also agree with you about the home studio. Get a sequencer, sampler,
throw in a computer and the next thing you know, you'll be saying
"I would like to thank God, my producers, those bitches and bastards
at Hung Angels... made it Ma top of the world". :roll:

SYLVESTER

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/Sylvester.jpg

Born: 9-6-1947 Died: 12-16-1988 of A.I.D.S. at the age of 41.

A true superstar, Sylvester represented the black and gay cultural origins
of disco to mainstream America and made it possible for RuPaul's
success. His body of work includes crucial contributions to the disco
songbook, but his ballads proved he was a versatile stylist who brought a
realness and depth to all material.

Mighty Real" won several Billboard disco awards, placing Sylvester in
disco's stratosphere. The other single from the album, "Dance (Disco
Heat)," featured the Tons on lead vocals and their performance was pure
gospel spirit, so powerful that all Sylvester could do was come in halfway
through the song with a scream that anybody familiar with the black
church will recognize as the "happy shout."

You Make Me Feel Mighty Real." Cowley's synth overlays transformed the
former ballad into a disco tour de force. The driving beat and keyboard
flourishes reflected the intensity of gay disco at its best, while Sylvester's
impassioned vocals communicated the anticipation of sex. Arriving at
the height of discomania, the combination proved irresistable and much to
the horror of disco haters and homophobes (who were largely one and
the same), he was launched into the mainstream. The accompanying
video made a mockery of Fuqua's attempts to tone down his
flamboyance, as Sylvester strolled around a disco in full drag.

Sylvester also brought to prominence the Weather Girls of it's Raining
Men fame.

http://www.queerculturalcenter.org/Pages/Sylvester/Syl_Bio.html

http://www.discomuseum.com/Sylvester.html

[ARMANIXXX]

What happened to the video of them "on the street"?

I tried to click it yesterday, and it never loaded. Then is just disappered.

Was it them singing on the street.....singing for real?

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Who is Sylvester?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGE5Y0dLebU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKstAXq2hh8

;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[ARMANIXXX]

Is this really a picture of him?

The picture looks like some woman.

Not tryin to be funny...it just doesn't really look like him.

[whatsupwithat]

You guys keep mentioning Rupaul. Is he a singer? I thought he was just an entertainer. I bet he is totally broke now. Hardly someone for the community to stand behind.

WTF? Ru is not broke. And because of Ru, of whom I am a great fan, a generation of guys who didn't know they were attracted to trans or even know what it was suddenly found themselves wondering...am I?

Amanda Lepore? She's got one single out and new one ready to ship.

[whatsupwithat]

You know, I forgot to mention Jayne County, a true punk visionary to this day.

There was also the band Transister rocking Squeezebox back in the day.

There's even a few FTM punk bands out there.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Shaela has left the group and now Nikki is looking for a new girl.

[Legend]

Shaela has left the group and now Nikki is looking for a new girl.

That didn't take long,so which one is going into rehab next LOL i keed.

[trannybanger]

Shaela has left the group and now Nikki is looking for a new girl.

Probably coming out with a solo album. Damn, this shit really is entertaining whether they can sing or not. Give them a show on VH1.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Shaela has left the group and now Nikki is looking for a new girl.

Probably coming out with a solo album. Damn, this shit really is entertaining whether they can sing or not. Give them a show on VH1. Yeah thats what she is doing.

[trannybanger]

OMG, you know when sarcasm is the actual truth its time for reality TV Land :lol:

[peggygee]

Is this really a picture of him?

The picture looks like some woman.

Not tryin to be funny...it just doesn't really look like him.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/Sylvester.jpg

I know, and even though she's rocking a early
80s jerri-curl she looks like somebody's Mom or
Auntie, from around 'da way'. :wink:

[suckseed]

Shaela has left the group and now Nikki is looking for a new girl.

Exactly the kind of thing that has stopped countless bands. Getting two people to agree on things is hard...make it three, four or five? They call it creative differences. With my old band it was more like two guys holding me and the lead singer off of each other after I told him what a washed up piece of shit he had become. As an example, the guy turned an interview by CNN (which believe me was not a common occurrence and some publicity we desperately needed) into a rant about how much the music business sucked.
I heard the film crew saying the interview couldn't be aired and just lost it.
Everyone else either kissed the lead guy's ass or were past caring. I knew it was my best chance to be in a real band and fought for it....but the guy truly thought (and still thinks) he's a genius and a true star. And I bet 99% of you never heard of us.

I still get mad thinking about it. Here I am four years later, I've made two other records no one will ever hear, and I'm still figuring out what I'm going to do with my life. Gotta go - I have a guitar lesson in half an hour.

[peggygee]

Shaela has left the group and now Nikki is looking for a new girl.

Probably coming out with a solo album. Damn, this shit really is entertaining whether they can sing or not. Give them a show on VH1. Yeah thats what she is doing.

Wow, it's like deja vu, all over again.

Now where have I heard this story before?


http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/dreamgirls.jpg

:roll:

[tsntx]

lolololol ^

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well you gotta think it's three beautiful girls working together, there is always going to be a diva in a group. And by diva I mean wanting all the spotlight.

[elo]

Well you gotta think it's three beautiful girls working together, there is always going to be a diva in a group. And by diva I mean wanting all the spotlight.Who is supposed to be the diva?

[suckseed]

'Diva' used to be a term reserved exclusively for women who were 'prima donnas' - but delivered the goods. Thanks to VH1, it now apparently means
'singer who may start whining at any time.'

[LG]

'Diva' used to be a term reserved exclusively for women who were 'prima donnas' - but delivered the goods. Thanks to VH1, it now apparently means
'singer who may start whining at any time.'
:lol:

It's actually from the Italian and Latin word for goddess. It was once used only for opera singers and mainly for sopranos. Maria Callas was a diva in that sense of the word.

Now the meaning is applied to popular music. And becuase some divas were so full of themselves and difficult to work with, the word now has negative connotations. Ditto the expression "prima donna" which means "first lady" and was also used for leading ladies in opera but now applies to vain or temperamental woman (particularly in show business) who is hard to work with.

[elo]

BUMP

Hey,Kelly.Any infos on the group and Sheala?Has she started a solo career?

[tsntx]

Well you gotta think it's three beautiful girls working together, there is always going to be a diva in a group. And by diva I mean wanting all the spotlight.Who is supposed to be the diva?

the one pushing her dream on every ts she meets, the one who makes hillarious videos on youtube, the one who is a joke, the one when you watch her videos you practically pee on yourself laughing and waiting for the cat to kill her.

[trannybanger]

Well you gotta think it's three beautiful girls working together, there is always going to be a diva in a group. And by diva I mean wanting all the spotlight.Who is supposed to be the diva?

the one pushing her dream on every ts she meets, the one who makes hillarious videos on youtube, the one who is a joke, the one when you watch her videos you practically pee on yourself laughing and waiting for the cat to kill her.

oh shit! :lol:

[BrendaQG]

:lol: shit my sentiments exactly.

In my opinion they aint bad. What Vicki said is so true. Without a unique angle they aren't going anywhere. There are just so many people in the world who can sing but not so many that can write a song worth singing or paying money to listen to.

Good luck to them.

[ARMANIXXX]

tsntx said,




the one pushing her dream on every ts she meets, the one who makes hillarious videos on youtube, the one who is a joke, the one when you watch her videos you practically pee on yourself laughing and waiting for the cat to kill her.

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lol


I've gotta ask,

Why are you so mean?

I mean, your like the Anti TS, who happens to be a TS.

How come your not supporting them.

Keep in mind, before you turn your potential wrath upon me, I'm just asking.......nothing more.



So,
Shoot.

[Mami-Liiciouz]

i think shayla is back in the group, shes in the new vids.

[Legend]

tsntx said,




the one pushing her dream on every ts she meets, the one who makes hillarious videos on youtube, the one who is a joke, the one when you watch her videos you practically pee on yourself laughing and waiting for the cat to kill her.

__________________________________________________ _________________________


lol


I've gotta ask,

Why are you so mean?

I mean, your like the Anti TS, who happens to be a TS.

How come your not supporting them.

Keep in mind, before you turn your potential wrath upon me, I'm just asking.......nothing more.



So,
Shoot.

For someone from the hood you sure are soft or do you just play the role when its appropriate.

[tsntx]

tsntx said,




the one pushing her dream on every ts she meets, the one who makes hillarious videos on youtube, the one who is a joke, the one when you watch her videos you practically pee on yourself laughing and waiting for the cat to kill her.

__________________________________________________ _________________________


lol


I've gotta ask,

Why are you so mean?

I mean, your like the Anti TS, who happens to be a TS.

How come your not supporting them.

Keep in mind, before you turn your potential wrath upon me, I'm just asking.......nothing more.



So,
Shoot.

im also one of the biggest advocates for ts women... ive gotten awards for my role in the community blah blah blah... point is i give credit where its due, i call ppl on their bs when its due as well... i dont go after ts. i go after anyone preaching bs just like when yall feel im saying something thats bs yall comment on it... yall try to make so much of what yall say in defence of whoever i may be calling out, personal attacks on my looks or something else... im not the prettiest i dont claim to be and usually the ones that do claim to be the prettiest are usually the ugliest... if not on the outside for sure on the inside...
as far as "secret'' goes... common sence will tell you that shits never gonna work here in america... it might overseas somewhere... but not in the usa.. especially not w/ the lead singers attitude... shes shown her true self on here numerous times... watch all her vids on youtube, esp. the ones talking bout ppl being jealous of her, shes a fucking joke... she has a great look and could do some really positive things for the community but she wont shut up and stop talking about how great she is long enough.... there are several girls that ive talked to in PM that ive helped w/ getting them information that they need bc you guys were so mean to them in the threads they were asking for the help...
just like when "kelly-gate" was going on i said im not on anyones side but for sure not the side of bullshit and ill call it out when i see it.
im not here to make money, get clients, to be someone im not to pitch my latest dvd... *not saying that is what others are doing either* ... im just saying i dont have a hidden agenda and therefore im me, im blunt, im honest, but in the end im me.

[ARMANIXXX]

For someone from the hood you sure are soft or do you just play the role when its appropriate.[/quote]

__________________________________________________ _________________________



I think you've assumed too much.

[ARMANIXXX]

im also one of the biggest advocates for ts women... ive gotten awards for my role in the community blah blah blah... point is i give credit where its due, i call ppl on their bs when its due as well... i dont go after ts. i go after anyone preaching bs just like when yall feel im saying something thats bs yall comment on it... yall try to make so much of what yall say in defence of whoever i may be calling out, personal attacks on my looks or something else... im not the prettiest i dont claim to be and usually the ones that do claim to be the prettiest are usually the ugliest... if not on the outside for sure on the inside...
as far as "secret'' goes... common sence will tell you that shits never gonna work here in america... it might overseas somewhere... but not in the usa.. especially not w/ the lead singers attitude... shes shown her true self on here numerous times... watch all her vids on youtube, esp. the ones talking bout ppl being jealous of her, shes a fucking joke... she has a great look and could do some really positive things for the community but she wont shut up and stop talking about how great she is long enough.... there are several girls that ive talked to in PM that ive helped w/ getting them information that they need bc you guys were so mean to them in the threads they were asking for the help...
just like when "kelly-gate" was going on i said im not on anyones side but for sure not the side of bullshit and ill call it out when i see it.
im not here to make money, get clients, to be someone im not to pitch my latest dvd... *not saying that is what others are doing either* ... im just saying i dont have a hidden agenda and therefore im me, im blunt, im honest, but in the end im me.

__________________________________________________ _______________________________



Alrighty then.

Fair enough......please carry on.

[Legend]

tsntx said,




the one pushing her dream on every ts she meets, the one who makes hillarious videos on youtube, the one who is a joke, the one when you watch her videos you practically pee on yourself laughing and waiting for the cat to kill her.

__________________________________________________ _________________________


lol


I've gotta ask,

Why are you so mean?

I mean, your like the Anti TS, who happens to be a TS.

How come your not supporting them.

Keep in mind, before you turn your potential wrath upon me, I'm just asking.......nothing more.



So,
Shoot.

im also one of the biggest advocates for ts women... ive gotten awards for my role in the community blah blah blah... point is i give credit where its due, i call ppl on their bs when its due as well... i dont go after ts. i go after anyone preaching bs just like when yall feel im saying something thats bs yall comment on it... yall try to make so much of what yall say in defence of whoever i may be calling out, personal attacks on my looks or something else... im not the prettiest i dont claim to be and usually the ones that do claim to be the prettiest are usually the ugliest... if not on the outside for sure on the inside...
as far as "secret'' goes... common sence will tell you that shits never gonna work here in america... it might overseas somewhere... but not in the usa.. especially not w/ the lead singers attitude... shes shown her true self on here numerous times... watch all her vids on youtube, esp. the ones talking bout ppl being jealous of her, shes a fucking joke... she has a great look and could do some really positive things for the community but she wont shut up and stop talking about how great she is long enough.... there are several girls that ive talked to in PM that ive helped w/ getting them information that they need bc you guys were so mean to them in the threads they were asking for the help...
just like when "kelly-gate" was going on i said im not on anyones side but for sure not the side of bullshit and ill call it out when i see it.
im not here to make money, get clients, to be someone im not to pitch my latest dvd... *not saying that is what others are doing either* ... im just saying i dont have a hidden agenda and therefore im me, im blunt, im honest, but in the end im me.

Nicely said if i may say.

[junior]

I can't believe I am going to actually post in this thread but here goes.......... I make my living in a few different facets of the music business. JWBL can attest to one of them. I write for music magazines as well as producing artists and being a musician myself and my main gig which Johnny knows but will back me up without spreading the specifics around.
Managers will "create" a group and train them not a record label. A management company will find a girl here or there but usually won't take a group as is. The management will hire choreographers and song writers and producers and make the group what they want it to be because they feel they know what sells. Thats what happened with The Monkees, The Spice Girls, N'Sync and all those groups. Record labels will no longer do this sort of thing. Record labels in these days of amazing recording technology at home will expect a band to rack up sales on their own home recorded CD before signing them. That is FACT.
These girls can dance in a club, I've seen them look great on a dance floor. They may not be able to learn to dance a routine together that a choreographer prepared for them. Yes Britney lip synchs but needs to be able to at least carry a tune. I can't really tell how well the girls sing because of the backing track. The real drawback though is one of the girls in the group has done porn shoots. Right or wrong nobody who started out in porn has ever had a sustainable main stream career in any form of entertainment here in the United States. I will not judge the girls talents I just felt the need to clarify some things people were saying in earlier posts because there was much incorrect info being posted about the business I do every day.

[tsntx]

^^^ nice

[Legend]

The hater video she made really had me cracking up from laughter "look at yourself in the mirror and tell me you like what you see" LOL and towards the end she gives a sarcastic thumbs up.

For someone with that kind of attitude she should at least be able to sing a tune but her singing really sucks and she is suppose to be the lead singer yikes.

[fugaziosbourne]

I can't believe I am going to actually post in this thread but here goes.......... I make my living in a few different facets of the music business. JWBL can attest to one of them. I write for music magazines as well as producing artists and being a musician myself and my main gig which Johnny knows but will back me up without spreading the specifics around.
Managers will "create" a group and train them not a record label. A management company will find a girl here or there but usually won't take a group as is. The management will hire choreographers and song writers and producers and make the group what they want it to be because they feel they know what sells. Thats what happened with The Monkees, The Spice Girls, N'Sync and all those groups. Record labels will no longer do this sort of thing. Record labels in these days of amazing recording technology at home will expect a band to rack up sales on their own home recorded CD before signing them. That is FACT.
These girls can dance in a club, I've seen them look great on a dance floor. They may not be able to learn to dance a routine together that a choreographer prepared for them. Yes Britney lip synchs but needs to be able to at least carry a tune. I can't really tell how well the girls sing because of the backing track. The real drawback though is one of the girls in the group has done porn shoots. Right or wrong nobody who started out in porn has ever had a sustainable main stream career in any form of entertainment here in the United States. I will not judge the girls talents I just felt the need to clarify some things people were saying in earlier posts because there was much incorrect info being posted about the business I do every day.
You are 100% correct on the business aspect.My brother was an AR man for Atlantic Records for 15 years and my band was signed to Warner Bros.Pre-fab.....what they sign and then don't market is nothing more than a tax write-off.They wanna see that you can draw fans in your home base,then the regional area and finally on a national level.The music business is morphing on an almost daily basis....

[whatsupwithat]

i give anyone credit that has the balls to expose themselves and try to reach for more

kisses
Dina

best comment in the whole thread.

[whatsupwithat]

I can't believe I am going to actually post in this thread but here goes.......... I make my living in a few different facets of the music business. JWBL can attest to one of them. I write for music magazines as well as producing artists and being a musician myself and my main gig which Johnny knows but will back me up without spreading the specifics around.
Managers will "create" a group and train them not a record label. A management company will find a girl here or there but usually won't take a group as is. The management will hire choreographers and song writers and producers and make the group what they want it to be because they feel they know what sells. Thats what happened with The Monkees, The Spice Girls, N'Sync and all those groups. Record labels will no longer do this sort of thing. Record labels in these days of amazing recording technology at home will expect a band to rack up sales on their own home recorded CD before signing them. That is FACT.
These girls can dance in a club, I've seen them look great on a dance floor. They may not be able to learn to dance a routine together that a choreographer prepared for them. Yes Britney lip synchs but needs to be able to at least carry a tune. I can't really tell how well the girls sing because of the backing track. The real drawback though is one of the girls in the group has done porn shoots. Right or wrong nobody who started out in porn has ever had a sustainable main stream career in any form of entertainment here in the United States. I will not judge the girls talents I just felt the need to clarify some things people were saying in earlier posts because there was much incorrect info being posted about the business I do every day.
You are 100% correct on the business aspect.My brother was an AR man for Atlantic Records for 15 years and my band was signed to Warner Bros.Pre-fab.....what they sign and then don't market is nothing more than a tax write-off.They wanna see that you can draw fans in your home base,then the regional area and finally on a national level.The music business is morphing on an almost daily basis....

fugazi? :P

what years was your brother at atlantic?

[tsntx]

The hater video she made really had me me cracking up from laughter "look at yourself in the mirror and tell me you like what you see" LOL and towards the end she gives a sarcastic thumbs up.

For someone with that kind of attitude she should at least be able to sing a tune but her singing really sucks and she is suppose to be the lead singer yikes.

agreed... someone should post the link... its just so laughable... the whole thing is

[ARMANIXXX]

I can't believe I am going to actually post in this thread but here goes.......... I make my living in a few different facets of the music business. JWBL can attest to one of them. I write for music magazines as well as producing artists and being a musician myself and my main gig which Johnny knows but will back me up without spreading the specifics around.
Managers will "create" a group and train them not a record label. A management company will find a girl here or there but usually won't take a group as is. The management will hire choreographers and song writers and producers and make the group what they want it to be because they feel they know what sells. Thats what happened with The Monkees, The Spice Girls, N'Sync and all those groups. Record labels will no longer do this sort of thing. Record labels in these days of amazing recording technology at home will expect a band to rack up sales on their own home recorded CD before signing them. That is FACT.
These girls can dance in a club, I've seen them look great on a dance floor. They may not be able to learn to dance a routine together that a choreographer prepared for them. Yes Britney lip synchs but needs to be able to at least carry a tune. I can't really tell how well the girls sing because of the backing track. The real drawback though is one of the girls in the group has done porn shoots. Right or wrong nobody who started out in porn has ever had a sustainable main stream career in any form of entertainment here in the United States. I will not judge the girls talents I just felt the need to clarify some things people were saying in earlier posts because there was much incorrect info being posted about the business I do every day.

__________________________________________________ ___________________________


I don't know who you are,

BUT I SAID EXACTLY what you said.

Except for the management part, that isn't always true, only because if management has to sink all that dough into a group he/she/they will obviously want more, which then, management would need to be MORE THAN MANAGEMENT.

But you're basic sentiment is on, and I'm not one who really cares for specifics.

--Major Labels not giving development deals....check

--Singing over tracks.....check

--Porn = bad for mainstream entertainment....check (different topic)

[tsntx]

--Porn = bad for mainstream entertainment....check (different topic)

then y did u give me crap when i said in here secret should take notice to the kit kat dolls problems?

[ARMANIXXX]

--Porn = bad for mainstream entertainment....check (different topic)

then y did u give me crap when i said in here secret should take notice to the kit kat dolls problems?

__________________________________________________ _________________


Kit Kat Dolls problems?

Are you sure that was me?

[tsntx]

lol no ... hold on ill look

[junior]

Except for the management part, that isn't always true, only because if management has to sink all that dough into a group he/she/they will obviously want more, which then, management would need to be MORE THAN MANAGEMENT.


The type of managers today are not the 10% of days gone by nor are they anything like the Partridge Family's Reuben Kinkaid. They are like Lou Pearlman. If you don't know who that is google him and then you will understand. I do care for specifics. This industry is how I make my living. That is EXACTLY what management does for pop bands these days. Plus as I said they will create the group not usually take one that already exists.

[tsntx]

ok wasnt you... lol kisses

[tsntx]

Plus as I said they will create the group not usually take one that already exists.

very true... i dont remember which member it was but when nysnc was created there was another guy and either joey/ lance/ or justin were trying to get in the group saying "im not signing if hes not" they said fine and replaced and let one of them go but whoever was let go changed their mind... i think it was lance.

[fugaziosbourne]

I can't believe I am going to actually post in this thread but here goes.......... I make my living in a few different facets of the music business. JWBL can attest to one of them. I write for music magazines as well as producing artists and being a musician myself and my main gig which Johnny knows but will back me up without spreading the specifics around.
Managers will "create" a group and train them not a record label. A management company will find a girl here or there but usually won't take a group as is. The management will hire choreographers and song writers and producers and make the group what they want it to be because they feel they know what sells. Thats what happened with The Monkees, The Spice Girls, N'Sync and all those groups. Record labels will no longer do this sort of thing. Record labels in these days of amazing recording technology at home will expect a band to rack up sales on their own home recorded CD before signing them. That is FACT.
These girls can dance in a club, I've seen them look great on a dance floor. They may not be able to learn to dance a routine together that a choreographer prepared for them. Yes Britney lip synchs but needs to be able to at least carry a tune. I can't really tell how well the girls sing because of the backing track. The real drawback though is one of the girls in the group has done porn shoots. Right or wrong nobody who started out in porn has ever had a sustainable main stream career in any form of entertainment here in the United States. I will not judge the girls talents I just felt the need to clarify some things people were saying in earlier posts because there was much incorrect info being posted about the business I do every day.
You are 100% correct on the business aspect.My brother was an AR man for Atlantic Records for 15 years and my band was signed to Warner Bros.Pre-fab.....what they sign and then don't market is nothing more than a tax write-off.They wanna see that you can draw fans in your home base,then the regional area and finally on a national level.The music business is morphing on an almost daily basis....

fugazi? :P

what years was your brother at atlantic?
91-04/05.....Zan Hefner is his name.....

[yodajazz]

.....
The great thing about recording nowadays is that there are so many home studios which are capable of sounding amazing. The girls need to find a guy into music and TS, of which I'm sure there are plenty in the city, and
get in there and record and experiment. They should be singing to their own tracks if they're going to sing to backing tracks live. In an age where the average kid can sound like a musical genius via Garageband, the girls should get a Mac and start writing their own tunes. It's a helluva lot of fun too.


I agree with you, except you don't need a Mac these days. PC programs are pretty powerfull now. I have a lower priced program called Power Tracks Pro. It has 48 track of midi or audio. It gets upgraded with new features every year. I can generate 4 part harmonies from a single audio track as long as there are midi chords. It has on board audio effects. It retails at $49 to $69. I have a program called Goldwave which is a audio loop editor which is a free demo version. I have a free demo version of Acid, which is a looped based sequencer program. I upgraded from a friend to a version which got me unlimited tracks. My daughter uses the Fruity Loops program, but I prefer Acid. For my keys I use a Triton LE 61 note, and my for my piano I use an Alesis QS 7.1. With a mike and a small mixer, I'm rolling.

The girls just need some management. Management could concentrate on expanding the business and let them work on thier craft, if they are serious.

[Legend]

agreed... someone should post the link... its just so laughable... the whole thing is

Did you see the video she removed their is no way they had that much of a fan base already obviously those people were payed or relatives and the whole were going platinum attitude no wonder she removed that it.

[tsntx]

no.... ? what video ... details.. public details. ;D

[Legend]

no.... ? what video ... details.. public details. ;D

Her and the other girls were "supposely" talking to their fans i think it was some young boy and older women praising them on how good they were it was obviously fake but the worse part was them saying how they were gonna go platinum.This video was there the same day she uploaded the first concert video.She must have look at that video twice and removed it because it played to the attitude me and you were referring too.

[tsntx]

lol oh... well the other vids she left especially the "haters" video still show her attitude.

"tell me do when you look in the mirror what do you see? do you really look that good? ha! i dont think so!"

my responce to that would be...

"do you?"

people in glass houses.... shouldnt sing.

[Legend]

lol oh... well the other vids she left especially the "haters" video still show her attitude.

"tell me do when you look in the mirror what do you see? do you really look that good? ha! i dont think so!"

my responce to that would be...

"do you?"

people in glass houses.... shouldnt sing.

LOL

[tsntx]

lol 0;-)

[stillies77]

Nikki's blog about love is really good...she seems like a cool chick...although when she says she is picky and she knows what she is worth...lil bitchy lol.

[tsntx]

9 outta 10 times i agree w/ you stillies... this being the 1 exception

[idigtoo]

Did someone put Nikki's head in a vice?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Nikki's blog about love is really good...she seems like a cool chick...although when she says she is picky and she knows what she is worth...lil bitchy lol. Thats not bitchy thats being REAL and she is a girl with a certain expectation. AS ANYONE should have for themselves. Don't turn it into something it's not!

[tsntx]

Nikki's blog about love is really good...she seems like a cool chick...although when she says she is picky and she knows what she is worth...lil bitchy lol. Thats not bitchy thats being REAL and she is a girl with a certain expectation. AS ANYONE should have for themselves. Don't turn it into something it's not!

see stillies you should have used one of her other 100's of points of reference for bitchiness, just not that one.

[yodajazz]

http://www.mediamax.com/gzach/Hosted/nikki%20x4.mp3

Rather just debate about the group Secret, I decided to show what could be done. So I recorded Nikki’s Bio and created some music to put behind it. I am a keyboard player. Plus I added reverb on her voice to give it a bigger sound. I wrote words for a background chorus. I used a female vocalist, who recorded it in three part harmony in order approximate Secret’s three part harmony.

I used Nikki’s narrative without any edits at all. But I could have easily taken any part and arranged it or edited it. The technology of today is amazing. Even the software from my cheap program claims that it can correct pitch if the singer goes off key. I have not tried that feature, as a singer can just do the phrase over until it is correct. My singer Renee did a fantastic job. I did this at home on the computer, using only one of my two keyboards for the music. Think about what could be done with the higher end technology and being able to work face to face with the group. And also, if real musicians were used for each instrument, instead of me.

I have great respect for Nikki X for what she has done to support Miriam in her time of need. Plus, she kept us informed for a period of time, until Miriam decided to be private in her recovery from the injuries. I felt that Nikki was an angel for her support of her.

As for the group sing talent, I have not been able to judge yet. But even if they did not sound good, I have heard people make tremendous strides after a year of hard work. I wouldn’t count anyone out in the talent department.

Nikki x

(Background)
I don’t have to tell you this
But I just want to
I am proud of who I am
And you should be too

I don’t have to tell you things
But I just want to
I’m not afraid of who I am
Cause God made me too

I’m just trying to live my life
I do no harm to you
I’m just trying to reach my dreams
And hope that you do too

I’m just trying to live life
I do no harm to you
I’m just trying to live my dream
And hope that you do to

If anyone listens to it, let me know what you think, (especially Tsntx).

[tsntx]

lol well i have all kinds of feelings about nikki x, her coming to miriams side, the group secret, the chances; or lack thereof; of them making a dent in the music biz, and a slew of other things... but ill just focus on what you did... the reverb helped her a lot and to me sounded like she was in a cofee house telling a bit about herself or where the song she was about to sing came from... she has a great speaking voice... i have yet to hear her sing w/o an already signed music group contributing to the vocals....

and thats all im gonna say bout that... ;)

... for now

[peggygee]

http://www.mediamax.com/gzach/Hosted/nikki%20x4.mp3

Rather just debate about the group Secret, I decided to show what could be done. So I recorded Nikki’s Bio and created some music to put behind it. I am a keyboard player. Plus I added reverb on her voice to give it a bigger sound. I wrote words for a background chorus. I used a female vocalist, who recorded it in three part harmony in order approximate Secret’s three part harmony.

I used Nikki’s narrative without any edits at all. But I could have easily taken any part and arranged it or edited it. The technology of today is amazing. Even the software from my cheap program claims that it can correct pitch if the singer goes off key. I have not tried that feature, as a singer can just do the phrase over until it is correct. My singer Renee did a fantastic job. I did this at home on the computer, using only one of my two keyboards for the music. Think about what could be done with the higher end technology and being able to work face to face with the group. And also, if real musicians were used for each instrument, instead of me.

I have great respect for Nikki X for what she has done to support Miriam in her time of need. Plus, she kept us informed for a period of time, until Miriam decided to be private in her recovery from the injuries. I felt that Nikki was an angel for her support of her.

As for the group sing talent, I have not been able to judge yet. But even if they did not sound good, I have heard people make tremendous strides after a year of hard work. I wouldn’t count anyone out in the talent department.

Nikki x

(Background)
I don’t have to tell you this
But I just want to
I am proud of who I am
And you should be too

I don’t have to tell you things
But I just want to
I’m not afraid of who I am
Cause God made me too

I’m just trying to live my life
I do no harm to you
I’m just trying to reach my dreams
And hope that you do too

I’m just trying to live life
I do no harm to you
I’m just trying to live my dream
And hope that you do to

If anyone listens to it, let me know what you think, (especially Tsntx).

I listened to the 'Nikki re-mix'.

I enjoyed it.

You're quite correct about what studio
technology can do.

By the by, I really liked your playing and
arrangement as well. http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/thumbsup.gif

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/264589wud7f9xsat.gif

[Balcanoid]

yup, quite good, I like that mixture of music and raw narration...

[ARMANIXXX]

I haven't posted a message in a couple weeks, but that musical arrangement is the best thing Secrets done so far.

lol


Pretty good....needs some redo's, but has strong interlude potential for their album.

They should hire you.




Btw, what are you using yodajazz?

[yodajazz]

I using a Triton Le keyboard for the drum groove and sounds. Plus the sequencing program called PowerTracks Pro (for PC) for the mix and tracks. Power Tracks only costs $49 to $69. I do have other software, but that's all I needed for this one. I had played some lead lines but I accidently erased the track.

These days, I think any singer could post some acapella lines and let people build songs around them.

Thanks for listening. yodajazz

[peggygee]

I using a Triton Le keyboard for the drum groove and sounds. Plus the sequencing program called PowerTracks Pro (for PC) for the mix and tracks. Power Tracks only costs $49 to $69. I do have other software, but that's all I needed for this one. I had played some lead lines but I accidently erased the track.

These days, I think any singer could post some acapella lines and let people build songs around them.

Thanks for listening. yodajazz

Yodajazz, I've used a lot of different sequencing software, but have used
PowerTracks Pro, as well as Band In A Box by PG Music. And while
admittedly they are low in cost, you are able to get surprisingly good
results.

And Armanixxx, as you have pointed out, due to the electronic nature
of music, there is the ability to do online colloboration in the creation of
a song.

Thus the members of a group could literally be on the far flung corners
of the Earth, but can colloborate on their project, just as if they were in
the same studio.