Fight Chavez/ Free RCTV ! (rctv.com)

[White_Male_Canada]

On May 28th, the government of Venezuela shut down that nation's most popular TV station by not renewing RCTV’s broadcast license. Two days before the shutdown, the government seized RCTV’s property on the pretext that it was needed for the new channel that would replace RCTV. Immediately upon shutting down RCTV, the government began to threaten the broadcast license of Globovision, an all-news channel critical of the government. Thank you for visiting this site, a project of the Human Rights Foundation. It is now a site devoted to the protection of freedom of expression and will serve to memorialize the shutdown of RCTV. We invite you to raise your voice against censorship!

http://www.freerctv.com/

[Caleigh]

Ok, I can't believe I'm saying this but thankyou
for posting. I think everyone on the board and
especially everyone who espouses humanist values
needs to back it up with this very simple action.

[White_Male_Canada]

Ok, I can't believe I'm saying this but thankyou
for posting. I think everyone on the board and
especially everyone who espouses humanist values
needs to back it up with this very simple action.

You`ve just been blacklisted, a pariah to the leftists now. 8)

[guyone]

CHAVEZ doesn't have too much longer.

[luccas]

Chavez doesnt take advises, chavez doesnt hear anything but himself, chavez is thenew prototipe of dictators, and as the dissease he is is going to spread all over latinamerica unless you take him serious...remember Osama? well chavez have more money and less scrupulous....dont let him spread....

[tsmandy]

Yeah Chavez wages war all over the planet to protect his financial interests, Chavez sets up secret detention centers and thumbs his nose at habeas corpus, Chavez cuts taxes for his elite wealthy buddies while passing the harshest bankruptcy laws in history. Chavez presides over a country with more than 2 million people in prison, oh no, wait, that's all George Bush. Hmm...

The gall, kicking out US based multinational oil companies and having the nerve to think that the wealth of Latin America should benefit the people of Latin America. The gall, taking a license away from a TV station that openly supported a failed foreign invasion/coup, a mere outpost of cold war relic OSS, a media front for the CIA. Certainly we should start funding a whole new generation of death squads to overthrow him and make sure we gain control of the largest petrochemical reserves on the planet.

If you are interested in issues of media freedom, you might want to start by challenging the very real threats to any semblance of democratic media currently underway in the US and Britain.

Personally, I think anyone who holds power should be challenged, Chavez being no exception. But if you care about democracy and human rights then maybe you should also think about the hundreds of thousands who have died in Colombia, Guatemala, El Salvador, and elsewhere at the hands of death squads who are trained and financed by Uncle Sam.

Anything else is utter hypocrisy of the vilest kind.

[tsmandy]

And here's an interesting article from Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, a media watchdog that can be found online at www.fair.org

Coup Co-Conspirators as Free-Speech Martyrs
Distorting the Venezuelan media story

5/25/07

The story is framed in U.S. news media as a simple matter of censorship: Prominent Venezuelan TV station RCTV is being silenced by the authoritarian government of President Hugo Chávez, who is punishing the station for its political criticism of his government.

According to CNN reporter T.J. Holmes (5/21/07), the issues are easy to understand: RCTV "is going to be shut down, is going to get off the air, because of President Hugo Chávez, not a big fan of it." Dubbing RCTV "a voice of free speech," Holmes explained, "Chavez, in a move that's angered a lot of free-speech groups, is refusing now to renew the license of this television station that has been critical of his government."

Though straighter, a news story by the Associated Press (5/20/07) still maintained the theme that the license denial was based simply on political differences, with reporter Elizabeth Munoz describing RCTV as "a network that has been critical of Chávez."

In a May 14 column, Washington Post deputy editorial page editor Jackson Diehl called the action an attempt to silence opponents and more "proof" that Chávez is a "dictator." Wrote Diehl, "Chávez has made clear that his problem with [RCTV owner Marcel] Granier and RCTV is political."

In keeping with the media script that has bad guy Chávez brutishly silencing good guys in the democratic opposition, all these articles skimmed lightly over RCTV's history, the Venezuelan government's explanation for the license denial and the process that led to it.

RCTV and other commercial TV stations were key players in the April 2002 coup that briefly ousted Chávez's democratically elected government. During the short-lived insurrection, coup leaders took to commercial TV airwaves to thank the networks. "I must thank Venevisión and RCTV," one grateful leader remarked in an appearance captured in the Irish film The Revolution Will Not Be Televised. The film documents the networks’ participation in the short-lived coup, in which stations put themselves to service as bulletin boards for the coup—hosting coup leaders, silencing government voices and rallying the opposition to a march on the Presidential Palace that was part of the coup plotters strategy.

On April 11, 2002, the day of the coup, when military and civilian opposition leaders held press conferences calling for Chávez's ouster, RCTV hosted top coup plotter Carlos Ortega, who rallied demonstrators to the march on the presidential palace. On the same day, after the anti-democratic overthrow appeared to have succeeded, another coup leader, Vice-Admiral Victor Ramírez Pérez, told a Venevisión reporter (4/11/02): "We had a deadly weapon: the media. And now that I have the opportunity, let me congratulate you."

That commercial TV outlets including RCTV participated in the coup is not at question; even mainstream outlets have acknowledged as much. As reporter Juan Forero, Jackson Diehl's colleague at the Washington Post, explained (1/18/07), "RCTV, like three other major private television stations, encouraged the protests," resulting in the coup, "and, once Chávez was ousted, cheered his removal." The conservative British newspaper the Financial Times reported (5/21/07), "[Venezuelan] officials argue with some justification that RCTV actively supported the 2002 coup attempt against Mr. Chávez."

As FAIR's magazine Extra! argued last November, "Were a similar event to happen in the U.S., and TV journalists and executives were caught conspiring with coup plotters, it’s doubtful they would stay out of jail, let alone be allowed to continue to run television stations, as they have in Venezuela."

When Chávez returned to power the commercial stations refused to cover the news, airing instead entertainment programs—in RCTV's case, the American film Pretty Woman. By refusing to cover such a newsworthy story, the stations abandoned the public interest and violated the public trust that is seen in Venezuela (and in the U.S.) as a requirement for operating on the public airwaves. Regarding RCTV's refusal to cover the return of Chavez to power, Columbia University professor and former NPR editor John Dinges told Marketplace (5/8/07):

What RCTV did simply can't be justified under any stretch of journalistic principles…. When a television channel simply fails to report, simply goes off the air during a period of national crisis, not because they're forced to, but simply because they don't agree with what's happening, you've lost your ability to defend what you do on journalistic principles.


The Venezuelan government is basing its denial of license on RCTV's involvement in the 2002 coup, not on the station's criticisms of or political opposition to the government. Many American pundits and some human rights spokespersons have confused the issue by claiming the action is based merely on political differences, failing to note that Venezuela's media, including its commercial broadcasters, are still among the most vigorously dissident on the planet.

When Patrick McElwee of the U.S.-based group Just Foreign Policy interviewed representatives of Human Rights Watch, Reporters Without Borders and the Committee to Protect Journalists—all groups that have condemned Venezuela's action in denying RCTV's license renewal—he found that none of the spokespersons thought broadcasters were automatically entitled to license renewals, though none of them thought RCTV's actions in support of the coup should have resulted in the station having its license renewal denied. This led McElwee to wonder, based on the rights groups' arguments, "Could it be that governments like Venezuela have the theoretical right to not to renew a broadcast license, but that no responsible government would ever do it?"

McElwee acknowledged the critics' point that some form of due process should have been involved in the decisions, but explained that laws preexisting Chávez's presidency placed licensing decision with the executive branch, with no real provisions for a hearings process: "Unfortunately, this is what the law, first enacted in 1987, long before Chávez entered the political scene, allows. It charges the executive branch with decisions about license renewal, but does not seem to require any administrative hearing. The law should be changed, but at the current moment when broadcast licenses are up for renewal, it is the prevailing law and thus lays out the framework in which decisions are made."

Government actions weighing on journalism and broadcast licensing deserve strong scrutiny. However, on the central question of whether a government is bound to renew the license of a broadcaster when that broadcaster had been involved in a coup against the democratically elected government, the answer should be clear, as McElwee concludes:

The RCTV case is not about censorship of political opinion. It is about the government, through a flawed process, declining to renew a broadcast license to a company that would not get a license in other democracies, including the United States. In fact, it is frankly amazing that this company has been allowed to broadcast for 5 years after the coup, and that the Chávez government waited until its license expired to end its use of the public airwaves.

[chefmike]

DAMN SHE'S GOOD!!

White_Mounted_Canadian et al mounted once again!!

Now there's a shocker!

[White_Male_Canada]

And here's an interesting article from Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, a media watchdog that can be found online at www.fair.org


FAIR is a left-wing site trying their best to whitewash a Dictator.

Facts are Chavez rigged the elections.

- Súmate, Venezuela's non-governmental election watchdog stated that "the original recall rules called for manual voting. Chavez bought an electronic system with no impartial audits, no audit of the software and no source code was released, and finally, access was never allowed into the Totalization Room of CNE [National Electoral Council]."

- A multidisciplinary team in Caracas, Venezuela including the rector of Universidad Simon Bolivar, Frederick Malpica, and a former rector of the National Electoral Council, Alfredo Weil found that since 2003, Mr. Chavez has added 4.4 million favorable names to the voter list and "migrated" 2.6 million unfavorable voters to places where it was difficult or impossible for them to vote.None of these additions or migrations to the voter-register has been independently audited in Venezuela.

On the basis of this fraudulent manipulation, Mr. Chavez has claimed a national mandate for all of the following.

• asked his rubber-stamp Congress to let him legislate unilaterally including amending the Constitution, and 100% of the members of Congress voted for that;

• decreed under these powers that he can run for re-election to the presidency for life;

• plans to decree that cities and states will no longer be governed by elected mayors and governors, but by people's committees named by him;

• owned or controlled all but a few TV and radio stations that either cover his endless speeches averaging 40 hours a week or risk losing their broadcast licenses;

• created one political party and denied the rights of citizenship to recalcitrant members of opposition parties;

• took over the Federal Reserve and spent the national Treasury as if it were a personal checking account;

• funded his campaign with government money and publicly and repeatedly threatened government workers to vote for him or be fired;

• dictated wages, prices, interest rates, profits, and currency exchange rates under the economic theory that he knows best;

• created an army reserve commanded personally by him that was 10 times the size of the existing military;

• nationalized the telephone and electric utilities along with thousands of private enterprises on the theory that collectives are better than private enterprises;

• put military henchmen loyal only to him in charge of government and civil institutions that they have no qualifications to run;

• declared that schools would submit to a curriculum that rewrites national history as he sees it, and mandated military indoctrination for all children;

• dictated the purpose and occupancy for private homes, apartment houses, and properties under the threat of confiscation if owners did not comply;

• prosecuted human rights and voter-rights leaders for treason, which is punishable by 16 years in prison;

• jailed individuals for five years who voiced opinions on TV he disagreed with;

• looked the other way as thousands of his police and military worked the murder, kidnapping, theft, drug, and money-laundering trades with impunity;

• began considering declaring a national religion with him as its spiritual leader;

• changed the way unemployment and poverty are calculated when the international standards of measurement proved embarrassing to his false claims of having solved those problems;

• ran an off-budget slush fund that rivals the size of the official government budget;

• increased the size of a corrupt and inefficient bureaucracy so grandly that he now has at least one employee in half the families of the country;

• traveled the world lavishly preaching about ending poverty, welfare, and theft — the three main characteristics of his government;

• advertised his model of government — with the highest inflation rate and highest murder rate in Latin America, and one of the worst human rights records — as the hope of the world.

Not to mention a new penal code that criminalizes virtually any expression to which the government objects -- not only in public but also in private.

Start with Article 147: "Anyone who offends with his words or in writing or in any other way disrespects the President of the Republic or whomever is fulfilling his duties will be punished with prison of 6 to 30 months if the offense is serious and half of that if it is light." That sanction, the code implies, applies to those who "disrespect" the president or his functionaries in private; "the term will be increased by a third if the offense is made publicly."

There's more: Article 444 says that comments that "expose another person to contempt or public hatred" can bring a prison sentence of one to three years; Article 297a says that someone who "causes public panic or anxiety" with inaccurate reports can receive five years. Prosecutors are authorized to track down allegedly criminal inaccuracies not only in newspapers and electronic media, but also in e-mail and telephone communications.

The new code reserves the toughest sanctions for journalists or others who receive foreign funding, such as the election monitoring group Sumate, which has been funded in part by the National Endowment for Democracy. Venezuelans or foreigners living in the country can be punished with a 10- to 15-year sentence for receiving foreign support that "can prejudice the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela . . . or destabilize the social order," whatever that means. Persons accused of conspiring against the government with a foreign country can get 20 to 30 years in prison. The new code specifies that anyone charged with these crimes will not be entitled to legal due process.

In other words, a dictatorship.

[White_Male_Canada]

Yeah Chavez wages war all over the planet to protect his financial interests, Chavez sets up secret detention centers and thumbs his nose at habeas corpus, Chavez cuts taxes for his elite wealthy buddies while passing the harshest bankruptcy laws in history. Chavez presides over a country with more than 2 million people in prison, oh no, wait, that's all George Bush. Hmm...

Yeah, Chavez has done it for "the people". funny thing is, unless all these people work in one TV station, you`re wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBIJ568Qdbg

-Habeas corpus was never suspended by Prez Bush, that was Lincoln.You remember Abe Lincoln don`t you.

-Never in the history of the USA has illegal enemy combatants been given certain Constitutional rights. Rights given to foreigners, not only foreigners but under the Geneva Conventions, illegal enemy combatants who can be legally executed when captured. Exaclty what was done to those caught with no uniform during WWII, including an American citizen.

-Tax cuts for the rich? Poor people do not pay federal tax.


The gall, kicking out US based multinational oil companies and having the nerve to think that the wealth of Latin America should benefit the people of Latin America. The gall, taking a license away from a TV station that openly supported a failed foreign invasion/coup, a mere outpost of cold war relic OSS, a media front for the CIA. Certainly we should start funding a whole new generation of death squads to overthrow him and make sure we gain control of the largest petrochemical reserves on the planet.

What would you say if Bush nationalized the major means of production, created run away inflation, unemployment, appointed 100 Senators and 450 or so Reps, appointed whomever he pleased t othe Supreme court, shut down say CNN ?

-Chavez and family have numbered bank accounts worth hundred of millions while the people are left with empty shelves at supermarkets. Fact is I know, simply becuase I`m personally in touch with people who live there. They are friends of mine and describe massive inflation, worthless currency empty shelves for certain food stuffs,etc,etc.

-Chavez Penal code Article 147: "Anyone who offends with his words or in writing or in any other way disrespects the President of the Republic or whomever is fulfilling his duties will be punished with prison of 6 to 30 months if the offense is serious and half of that if it is light." That sanction, the code implies, applies to those who "disrespect" the president or his functionaries in private; "the term will be increased by a third if the offense is made publicly."
There's more: Article 444 says that comments that "expose another person to contempt or public hatred" can bring a prison sentence of one to three years; Article 297a says that someone who "causes public panic or anxiety" with inaccurate reports can receive five years. Prosecutors are authorized to track down allegedly criminal inaccuracies not only in newspapers and electronic media, but also in e-mail and telephone communications


If you are interested in issues of media freedom, you might want to start by challenging the very real threats to any semblance of democratic media currently underway in the US and Britain.

Like the "fairness doctrine" .


Personally, I think anyone who holds power should be challenged,

That `s what elections are for. Chavez thinnks elections are for idiots and riggs them.

[White_Male_Canada]

chavez`s armed goon squads randomly fire at people. Notice they`ve changed colors from brown shirts to red shirts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7o4leUJJVQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=200Gta_0uXI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ8GtK1yFxg

[Coroner]

Yeah Chavez wages war all over the planet to protect his financial interests, Chavez sets up secret detention centers and thumbs his nose at habeas corpus, Chavez cuts taxes for his elite wealthy buddies while passing the harshest bankruptcy laws in history. Chavez presides over a country with more than 2 million people in prison, oh no, wait, that's all George Bush. Hmm...

The gall, kicking out US based multinational oil companies and having the nerve to think that the wealth of Latin America should benefit the people of Latin America. The gall, taking a license away from a TV station that openly supported a failed foreign invasion/coup, a mere outpost of cold war relic OSS, a media front for the CIA. Certainly we should start funding a whole new generation of death squads to overthrow him and make sure we gain control of the largest petrochemical reserves on the planet.

If you are interested in issues of media freedom, you might want to start by challenging the very real threats to any semblance of democratic media currently underway in the US and Britain.

Personally, I think anyone who holds power should be challenged, Chavez being no exception. But if you care about democracy and human rights then maybe you should also think about the hundreds of thousands who have died in Colombia, Guatemala, El Salvador, and elsewhere at the hands of death squads who are trained and financed by Uncle Sam.

Anything else is utter hypocrisy of the vilest kind.

You´re a genius, Mandy. This post is the most original and professional at the political field I ever read here. Damn!

"The RCTV case is not about censorship of political opinion. It is about the government, through a flawed process, declining to renew a broadcast license to a company that would not get a license in other democracies, including the United States. In fact, it is frankly amazing that this company has been allowed to broadcast for 5 years after the coup, and that the Chávez government waited until its license expired to end its use of the public airwaves." from fair.org

[guyone]

What a crock. A commie is a commie is a commie is a commie and this douche bag Chavez is gonna fall down hard. The world is starting to see the left for who they really are.

[chefmike]

Yeah Chavez wages war all over the planet to protect his financial interests, Chavez sets up secret detention centers and thumbs his nose at habeas corpus, Chavez cuts taxes for his elite wealthy buddies while passing the harshest bankruptcy laws in history. Chavez presides over a country with more than 2 million people in prison, oh no, wait, that's all George Bush. Hmm...

The gall, kicking out US based multinational oil companies and having the nerve to think that the wealth of Latin America should benefit the people of Latin America. The gall, taking a license away from a TV station that openly supported a failed foreign invasion/coup, a mere outpost of cold war relic OSS, a media front for the CIA. Certainly we should start funding a whole new generation of death squads to overthrow him and make sure we gain control of the largest petrochemical reserves on the planet.

If you are interested in issues of media freedom, you might want to start by challenging the very real threats to any semblance of democratic media currently underway in the US and Britain.

Personally, I think anyone who holds power should be challenged, Chavez being no exception. But if you care about democracy and human rights then maybe you should also think about the hundreds of thousands who have died in Colombia, Guatemala, El Salvador, and elsewhere at the hands of death squads who are trained and financed by Uncle Sam.

Anything else is utter hypocrisy of the vilest kind.

You can bet 'Maggie's farm' that the CIA are working 24/7 to make Chavez the next Allende, another social democrat. The legacy of Nixon and Reagan's Latin American death squads lives on...

"I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more.
No, I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more.
Well, I wake in the morning,
Fold my hands and pray for rain.
I got a head full of ideas
That are drivin' me insane.
It's a shame the way she makes me scrub the floor.
I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more.

I ain't gonna work for Maggie's brother no more.
No, I ain't gonna work for Maggie's brother no more.
Well, he hands you a nickel,
He hands you a dime,
He asks you with a grin
If you're havin' a good time,
Then he fines you every time you slam the door.
I ain't gonna work for Maggie's brother no more.

I ain't gonna work for Maggie's pa no more.
No, I ain't gonna work for Maggie's pa no more.
Well, he puts his cigar
Out in your face just for kicks.
His bedroom window
It is made out of bricks.
The National Guard stands around his door.
Ah, I ain't gonna work for Maggie's pa no more.

I ain't gonna work for Maggie's ma no more.
No, I ain't gonna work for Maggie's ma no more.
Well, she talks to all the servants
About man and God and law.
Everybody says
She's the brains behind pa.
She's sixty-eight, but she says she's twenty-four.
I ain't gonna work for Maggie's ma no more.

I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more.
No, I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more.
Well, I try my best
To be just like I am,
But everybody wants you
To be just like them.
They sing while you slave and I just get bored.
I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more."

-Dylan

[guyone]

Chef quite frankly I'm disappointed. Quoting a born again Christian?

[Coroner]

Guyone, your country´s gonna break-up. You cause new troubles everywhere instead of solving your own inside your borders. Capitalism especially doesn´t work in the US and people with progressive political ideas will be ignored by the usually ignorant American society. The next shit America does is trying to install some projectiles in the Czech republic and Poland. All in front of Russia. You´re playing with fire.
You still have people running your country who follow the classic American politics of interests: supporting the Nazis because the profit, supporting Latin American right-wing paramilitaries for the sake of the American companies, supporting the Taliban during the Cold War, supporting Saddam against Iran...... and you stabbed all your friends with a knife in the back. I´d never like to have you as a friend. You´re to twilight for me.

[guyone]

C"mon you're making me cry! (snif - snif)

[White_Male_Canada]

C"mon you're making me cry! (snif - snif)

Don`t you find their undying belief in thugs and dictators like Chavez, Castro and Putin amazing?

I don`t. They display their allegiance to totalitarianism.

Their true colors are shining through.

[tsmandy]

It will be a while before I can address this any more, making a trek to the nearest city with a wifi connection isn't a priority of mine right now.

Not to mention, that the bold font is obnoxious, and the list of facts (a usual tactic of apologists for state terror) filled with outright falsehoods, subtle manipulations of facts and a complete bias towards the needs of a miniscule portion of the Venezuelan population will take more time to wade through than I can commit to.

Chavez has infuriated Bush and the Neo cons not just by nationalizing the oil industry and requiring oil wealth to stay in the hands of Venezuelans, he's also been subverting the Structural Adjustment Programs and Austerity measures of the IMF, loaning half a trillion dollars to Argentina after they refused to further sell off the little remains of an already plundered nation. At least according to reports in the business press (Wall Street Journal, Business Week, etc...) Chavez is a direct challenge to IMF control over Latin American wealth and this has folks in Washington very, very nervous. Venezuela's oil reserves potentially will outstrip our loving democratic friends the Saudi's, and he has cut Houston out of it. Oil, lots of it, going to China and India, and not a dime of that in the hands of Chevron (bet they wished they hadn't pissed off the indigenous in Orinoco now). My guess is, if history is even remotely a good indicator of events to come, that Chavez will die well before natural causes take hold. But who knows, with the price of oil skyrocketing, and money flowing in more than ever, he may be a bit difficult to knock off.

So, I gotta run, but spout your concerns for the lovely people of Venezuela. I will be glad to read your condemnation of our good friends the Columbians attacks on human rights and free speech, followed by reports on Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Kazakhstan, China, Sudan, ......and every other "democracy" that we enjoy lucrative partnerships with.

Ciao, enjoy the smog.

[White_Male_Canada]

It will be a while before I can address this any more, making a trek to the nearest city with a wifi connection isn't a priority of mine right now.

Not to mention, that the bold font is obnoxious....

Yeaahhh,even Brazil is allowing RCTV to broadcast from their country. Lulu may be a leftist but he`s not retarded. The only 1/2 truths come from dictators who`s whole regime is built on the two pillars of lies and violence.

And my bold font is not nearly as obnoxious as Chavez and what he`s doing to Venezuela :

“By calling Globovisión’s staff ‘enemies of the motherland’ and by clearly threatening participants in its broadcasts ‘if they don’t calm down,’ President Chávez is displaying paranoia and intolerance,” the press freedom organisation said"

“Unfortunately, there is no longer any doubt about his goals,” Reporters Without Borders added. “RCTV’s closure was just the prelude to the progressive disappearance of all the opposition press. Media that criticise the government will be snuffed out one by one until only the pro-government media are left.”

“The closure of RCTV, which was founded in 1953, is a serious violation of freedom of expression and a major setback to democracy and pluralism…President Chávez has silenced Venezuela’s most popular TV station and the only national station to criticize him, and he has violated all legal norms by seizing RCTV’s broadcast equipment for the new public TV station that is replacing it…The grounds given for not renewing RCTV’s license, including its support, along with other media, for the April 2002 coup attempt, are just pretexts.”

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=22374

Oscar Perez, the political leader from the group called the "Comando de la Resistencia" who organized the protests last weekend against the shutdown of RCTV has been detained. He had nothing to do with the demonstrations this week but had been the most visible opposition leader.

http://www.eluniversal.com/2007/05/30/pol_ava_oscar-perez-fue-dete_30A877627.shtml

Chavez`s world of plenty for the proletariat:

[guyone]

...requiring oil wealth to stay in the hands of Venezuelans

mainly Chavez's hands. He's got the whole oil fields in his pockets.

Commies...God love 'em!

[tsmandy]

...requiring oil wealth to stay in the hands of Venezuelans

mainly Chavez's hands. He's got the whole oil fields in his pockets.

Commies...God love 'em!

Wait are we talking about Chavez or Bush? Or did Bush somehow convince Exxon to share its record breaking profits with anybody other than Republican and Democratic campaign coffers? Oh, no, that's right, Bush and his pals, you know the guys he snorted blow with while avoiding Vietnam, the guys that would listen to him babble over a glass of scotch, shoot ducks, you know, pals; well they have used 9/11 and the war in Iraq to help themselves to the largest corporate profits in history. Meanwhile, people in America are very pissed off. Unfortunately most people in this country think that Gays and Immigrants are somehow to blame for the crumbling infrastructure and decimated economy.

My mistake, let us not think about troubles (for all of us except the 7.4 millionares and 341 billionaires) at home and focus our anger at the tyrant in Venezuela who somehow has convinced the silly people of Venezuela to continually vote him in to office. Once he is gone and the petrol wealth of Latin America once again where it belongs we can rest easy and enjoy a round of golf together.

Hey this ranting business is kind of fun, drats I must get back to the business of planting and tending my garden.

[chefmike]

Don't be a stranger Mandy...and what are you planting, any culinary(or otherwise) herbs?

[hondarobot]

Ahh, so you're over here. I'm sure your apparent pursuit of Mandy is going well.

I'm just dropping in to say "hey", really.



:lol:

[hondarobot]

Nothing to say, eh, Chef? Don't worry, I've got an interest in your postings now.

:lol:

[chefmike]

LMFAO...you'd best get back to the shallow end of the gene pool ASAP, 'tardbot. You've even managed to make gumpone look like a Rhodes scholar, and that's saying a lot, 'tardbot. You're a pathetic cock-weasel and nothing more.

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=20970&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60



So you're gonna "break me up", jizzmopper?

I love it when you start up with that shit...please do continue, you pathetic schmuck. You've admitted on this forum to being too afraid to drive, fly, or even swim. You had to take a greyhound bus across the country to stalk VR. You have humiliated yourself, and in turn been humiliated by countless others on this forum, repeatedly...many times by the very same TS that you continue to be obsessed with...yet you still continue to come back for more...you couldn't "break up" a fucking matchstick...metaphorically or otherwise, tardbot...





blah blah, yeah we made a pact to bully around poor innocent shmucks like u.... and of course ill continue reading, why not? i read when im bored or need passion...

its simple, this site consists of the following:

the mods; from what i know all relatively well adjusted dealing with reality

the non member peekers; probably married, sexually confused, most likely republicans

the older, been there done that crowd; contribute interesting stuff every so often, write pretty well, respect the witty and insightful ones here, sometimes play peacemaker and tryin to squeeze as much as possible from memories, discourse and who knows what other surprises life offers

the filthy cumcatchers: the ones who beg for cock, who have no shame in describing their method of masterbation without request, who skip through any meaningful conversation and are here just to feel like they arent as pathetic as their inner self says cause wombat discussed his anal warts, posted pics of it and is even more low than they are

the witty bunch: not always a hit with their posts, but u can count on a few general quips and humrous observations in an above average rate

the trouble makers: playin the conservative card, playing the top vs bottom card, playin the racist card, playin the jesus is lord and came from outerspace card, etc.

the girls: some stars, some in their mind, some out of their mind, all valuable here, and thankfully many with good insight, despite agendas, into fields other than the ts community

the clueless ones: the know they like it, they dont know why, theyre way too concerned with figuring out why, probably from the south, probably love the lord, and probably not too successful in life

YOU: the guy who everyone is glad is around, because someone has to be the biggest loser, and its a good thing to spot the obvious winner right away and remove self doubt...the guy who youde think twice before shaking his bare hand...the guy who ur not shocked with anything he says or does since u put as little value on his life as he does...the one youde never let a family member or friend take a ride with...and the guy who knows all this but is putting up a pretend fight because dealing with reality would probably involve lots of drugs, alcohol and a noose...we all know its only time before ur 3 for 3





The above is one of my favorite rants from J, which was directed at the rodent who refers to himself as hondarobot....
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