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Niels Bohr
02-03-2005, 04:25 AM
To G. W. Bush I say this " To me, coming fomr you, friend is a four letter word......"

Ben
01-29-2014, 05:54 AM
Watched about 4 seconds of it....

AND:

A high stakes brand merger for Clinton and Obama

http://im.ft-static.com/content/images/62efba98-0950-11e1-8e86-00144feabdc0.img By Edward Luce


The former Democratic rivals will now sink or swim together
http://im.ft-static.com/content/images/35357c3f-0af5-4365-a522-8018a257357a.img©Matt Kenyon

After he won the Democratic crown in 2008, Barack Obama told friends that if Hillary Clinton succeeded him as president “I will have failed”. Things have come a long way since then. Now Mr Obama and Mrs Clinton will sink or swim together.
If Mrs Clinton takes the White House (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2a501652-8454-11e3-9710-00144feab7de.html?siteedition=uk) in 2016, Mr Obama’s legacy will be safe. Equally, if the president’s ratings continue to languish in the next three years, Mrs Clinton’s ambitions could be dashed. Each needs the other. Like it or not, their fates are tied.
Some might see this as a fairy tale union of once deeply embittered rivals. But the downsides are readily apparent. Mr Obama’s 2008 quip stemmed from the fact that he had been elected on the promise that he would break the mould of US politics. Mrs Clinton represented the old Washington rule book – the cynical game-playing that was personified by Bill and Hillary. Mr Obama offered something fresh. His youth-infused campaign played Silicon Valley start-up to Mrs Clinton’s tired old brand.

Now Mr Obama wants to breathe life into it. But, as they know in the world of business, two established brands do not always add up to more than the sum of their parts. Think of AOL’s merger with Time Warner. Or Hewlett-Packard’s takeover of Compaq.
The fact that Jim Messina, Mr Obama’s 2012 campaign manager, is now backing Mrs Clinton’s still undeclared bid says a lot. Mr Messina runs Priorities USA, a nominally independent vehicle that helped bankroll Mr Obama’s 2012 re-election. Mr Messina was recently hired to help Britain’s Conservative party (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/db7c572e-fb8d-11e2-8650-00144feabdc0.html), currently governing in coalition, win the 2015 general election. Mr Messina brings the best voter database and roster of donors in the land. But it will be difficult for Mrs Clinton to fashion something fresh out of it.
Yet that is what she must do. The bookies already give Mrs Clinton strong odds to win the Democratic nomination and reasonable chances of winning the White House. That is precisely the same as they gave her in 2007. Then Mrs Clinton was seen as the inevitable candidate. Today she might be described as prohibitively inevitable. Mindful of avoiding the hubris that undid her campaign last time round, Mrs Clinton is now vulnerable to her own systematic caution. This summer she will bring out a memoir of her four years as secretary of state under Mr Obama. It will studiously avoid saying anything that could open a rift with the Obama administration. Her previous book, Living History, which chronicled her years as First Lady, was hardly a laugh-a-minute. To say the least, it would be a surprise if the next instalment were a page-turner.
Much like her forthcoming book, Mrs Clinton will be damned if she opens a breach with Mr Obama yet risks being damned if she sticks too close. On Tuesday Mr Obama will give his sixth State of the Union address (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a3c0a06e-8513-11e3-8968-00144feab7de.html) to Congress. The media is uninterested – unsurprisingly, given the mood in Congress. Instead it has been dominated by speculation about Mrs Clinton’s campaign-in-waiting. The State of the Union will focus on restoring equality of opportunity. Yet the media is riveted by an undeclared candidacy for 2016. Mr Obama has lost his lustre. How soon will the media tire of Mrs Clinton?

Then there is the substance of Mrs Clinton’s campaign. Mr Obama has chosen a relevant theme for Tuesday night. Rising inequality and the hollowing-out middle are touchstone issues of the age. If you are seeking the Democratic nomination, there is not much else to campaign on nowadays. To do so, Mrs Clinton will need to rekindle the blue-collar passion that she tapped in heartland states such as Pennsylvania and Ohio in 2008. Mr Obama won the nomination with the help of educated youth and non-white minorities. Mrs Clinton took the bulk of the white middle-class vote. Yet her ability to identify with the squeezed middle is considerably weaker than it was seven years ago.
Nowadays Mrs Clinton gets paid handsomely by hedge funds to make speeches: in one recent weekend she netted $800,000. Her daughter Chelsea is inheriting the reins at the Clinton Global Initiative, which is among the most high-profile venues for corporate philanthropy on the planet. There is hardly a billionaire who is not part of their constellation. If the Clintons are not plutocrats, then who qualifies? Nor has their judgment of the people around them necessarily improved. Loyalty remains a problem. Last time, Mrs Clinton was undone by the likes of Mark Penn, her controversial adviser, whose dismissiveness of Mr Obama left the former First Lady’s campaign badly unprepared.
This time there are plenty on the fringes of Clintonland who could bring them trouble. Among them is Douglas Band, the former head of the CGI, who leveraged Mr Clinton’s philanthropic contacts to co-found Teneo, a global advisory firm. There is also Marjorie Margolies, Chelsea Clinton’s mother-in-law, who is mired in allegations that she overpaid herself as head of a taxpayer-funded charity. Ms Margolies, whose former husband, Edward Mezvinsky, was imprisoned for fraud, is running for Congress. And so on.
None of these landmines will necessarily go off. Mrs Clinton could slip up repeatedly and still cruise to victory against an inept Republican opponent. Moreover, she would take office as one of the most qualified presidents in history. But a campaign for the White House should start with a sense of excitement. At this point that will take quite some doing.

Ben
01-29-2014, 06:28 AM
'The State Of The Union Is Strong,' Says Man Burdened With Protecting Us From The Truth - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLMPm0M3PNM)

underdawg
01-29-2014, 06:47 AM
Try to wrap your brain around the following: Hillary Clinton.........Commander-and-chief of the armed forces. :hide-1:

Ben
01-29-2014, 07:12 AM
Chris Hedges - Obama Functions as an Advertising Brand in the Same Way as Products - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU1Pe8wEfss)

robertlouis
01-29-2014, 07:55 AM
Try to wrap your brain around the following: Hillary Clinton.........Commander-and-chief of the armed forces. :hide-1:

Couldn't be any worse than Dubya. Nothing could.

Prospero
01-29-2014, 07:58 AM
Hilary Clinton... well I can't see any reason why not. Men have been screwing up he job since time immemorial

robertlouis
01-29-2014, 08:03 AM
Hilary Clinton... well I can't see any reason why not. Men have been screwing up he job since time immemorial

Quite. And if underdawg's post is sexist in any way, he should piss right off this board.

Ben in LA
01-29-2014, 08:26 AM
Try to wrap your brain around the following: Hillary Clinton.........Commander-and-chief of the armed forces. :hide-1:
Better than Willard M. Romney...or Michelle Bachmann.

nevada64
01-29-2014, 08:43 AM
I agree with Ben, Robert, and Prospero.

EZWind
01-29-2014, 08:06 PM
Try to wrap your brain around the following: Hillary Clinton.........Commander-and-chief of the armed forces. :hide-1:
I don't know what you're talking about. As far as commander IN chief goes, if we're having them serve in combat, my brain has no problem accepting women as leader. In fact, it's about time we joined the rest of the world

Stavros
01-29-2014, 08:36 PM
I read somewhere that Hillary has forgotten how to drive...not sure if that's relevant.

Prospero
01-29-2014, 10:49 PM
Well I guess as first lady and then a congresswoman (or was it a senator?) and then looking after foreign affairs she always had a driver.

sukumvit boy
01-30-2014, 02:08 AM
From "The Onion" ,satire magazine.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/dad-delivers-state-of-the-union-rebuttal-directly,35093/

Dino Velvet
01-30-2014, 02:18 AM
From "The Onion" ,satire magazine.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/dad-delivers-state-of-the-union-rebuttal-directly,35093/

Very good.

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/archive/storage/images/media/images/0126-obama-state-of-union2/9407176-1-eng-US/0126-Obama-State-of-Union_full_600.jpg
"All babies should eat."

Stavros
01-30-2014, 02:33 AM
Well I guess as first lady and then a congresswoman (or was it a senator?) and then looking after foreign affairs she always had a driver.

Tut, tut Prospero, as if someone in her position would run for the House! And the reason you give is the explanation. Not sure about Obama, though I am confident he knows how to drive a golf cart...

flabbybody
01-30-2014, 03:52 AM
I read somewhere that Hillary has forgotten how to drive...not sure if that's relevant.
It would be troubling if she didn't have a currently valid New York State drivers license.
She'll have to deal with the "elitist" charge from the FOX News mindset. This would give them lots of amo, and it's so avoidable

95racer
01-30-2014, 04:01 AM
Why waste time listening to another politician lie his ass off. Especially Obama, he is the gold standard of lying.

EZWind
01-30-2014, 09:29 PM
I read somewhere that Hillary has forgotten how to drive...not sure if that's relevant.
...it isn't even close to being relevant
...I don't know what you've read, but in the clip I saw on TV she said she hasn't driven since '96...obviously, since as First Lady, then Senator, then Sec of State, she's had Secret Service escort everywhere she goes. She didn't say anything about forgetting anything.

EZWind
01-30-2014, 09:35 PM
Why waste time listening to another politician lie his ass off. Especially Obama, he is the gold standard of lying.
...got a little bit of a short term memory problem there do we?
...the Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld Iraq fiasco is far worse than anything Obama has ever done

Ben in LA
01-31-2014, 02:54 AM
Repubs have short memories...like Ted Cruz saying he was against the shutdown. Or the fact that it would take Obama THREE TERMS to issue the same amount of executive orders as St. Reagan.

robertlouis
01-31-2014, 07:05 AM
...got a little bit of a short term memory problem there do we?
...the Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld Iraq fiasco is far worse than anything Obama has ever done

And don't forget Iran-Contra under that sleepy old fuck Reagan. Republican hypocrisy at its very worst.

Prospero
01-31-2014, 09:42 AM
And Watergate