No one mourns the homeless

[General Disarray]

I spent a week in Russia last year. The last night I was there I saw an old homeless man bleeding to death on the sidewalk. People were literally stepping over him and ignoring his cries for help. I send my friend to call for help while I sit with him and try to calm him down.

I ended up waiting with him for three hours until he finally died in my arms. No help came either. My friend came back saying they refused to come simply for him, as they were too busy (this was a pretty bad slum mind you).

The thing that caught my attention was how nobody seemed phased at all. The whole week I was there I had been warned death was a pretty common occurence where I was. But I really wasn't prepared for that.
Later that night I was in an airport and some orphans begged me to adopt them.

In summation:
it was a very bad trip

But the question is:
What would you have done if you had seen a homeless man dying?
Maybe even right outside of club vapor while you were walking in?

[djlindy5763]

I, myself, would have held that man just like you did. Hoping that this person might just find some sort of comfort in knowing that someone at least felt enough compassion to not allow them to die alone.

[LOCpunks]

Try living there. You wouldn't be phased by it at all either. Matter of fact, try living in any real ghetto, and you cease to think about that shit at all. Stop to sit in the streets with the homeless past dusk and you're asking to be lying in the street next to him. Maybe it's fucked up to hear, but I wouldn't have done a damn thing more than call for help. Then again, I've seen some horrible things in the streets...on top of being pistol whipped and robbed at gunpoint. Live it, then you will understand.

[LOCpunks]

well if you where a homeless man period, Why are you on the streets being a bum in the first place, I mean its fair to say you dont have the will or want to live a better life

Wow. Just...wow. Now that is just fucked up. That couldn't be further from the truth.

[Jericho]

You don't have to go to the streets of Russia.

Go to any large city in the world and take a look around after dark.
You'll see exactly the same thing.

[Jericho]

Here in the US i can most willingly say anyone and everyone with a kind heart would help someone dying or injured.

Yah, right. :roll:

[CockStroker]

Well, in Germany you have to call emergency. They usually arrive after 10 minutes. If you don't call it (and don't perform first aid or get someone who can perform it for you) and someone is seriously injured (and dies in the end) you can be charged and go to jail for not helping.

[Irisheyes]

where i live its tough... in the winter it gets so cold, and some kids have to wear the same coats they were wearing last year.. its sickening. as i drive by in my 5 series BMW listning to NWA i feel for them. some of them are drinking straight from the can, and like, they cant be more than 16!

hard knocks man, hard knocks.

[LOCpunks]

Well, in Germany you have to call emergency. They usually arrive after 10 minutes. If you don't call it (and don't perform first aid or get someone who can perform it for you) and someone is seriously injured (and dies in the end) you can be charged and go to jail for not helping.

I'd be curious as to the actual letter of the law. Good samaritan laws exist elsewhere as well...but they are hardly ever enforced. I think the very idea of a good samaritan law is a complete infringement on civil rights.

[CockStroker]

Well, in Germany you have to call emergency. They usually arrive after 10 minutes. If you don't call it (and don't perform first aid or get someone who can perform it for you) and someone is seriously injured (and dies in the end) you can be charged and go to jail for not helping.

I'd be curious as to the actual letter of the law. Good samaritan laws exist elsewhere as well...but they are hardly ever enforced. I think the very idea of a good samaritan law is a complete infringement on civil rights.

This is the law:


§ 323c
Unterlassene Hilfeleistung
Wer bei Unglücksfällen oder gemeiner Gefahr oder Not nicht Hilfe leistet, obwohl dies erforderlich und ihm den Umständen nach zuzumuten, insbesondere ohne erhebliche eigene Gefahr und ohne Verletzung anderer wichtiger Pflichten möglich ist, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu einem Jahr oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft.

It says: If you don't help and helping is no danger to yourself, you can go to jail for a maximum of one year or pay a fine.

[LOCpunks]

Well, in Germany you have to call emergency. They usually arrive after 10 minutes. If you don't call it (and don't perform first aid or get someone who can perform it for you) and someone is seriously injured (and dies in the end) you can be charged and go to jail for not helping.

I'd be curious as to the actual letter of the law. Good samaritan laws exist elsewhere as well...but they are hardly ever enforced. I think the very idea of a good samaritan law is a complete infringement on civil rights.

This is the law:


§ 323c
Unterlassene Hilfeleistung
Wer bei Unglücksfällen oder gemeiner Gefahr oder Not nicht Hilfe leistet, obwohl dies erforderlich und ihm den Umständen nach zuzumuten, insbesondere ohne erhebliche eigene Gefahr und ohne Verletzung anderer wichtiger Pflichten möglich ist, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu einem Jahr oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft.

It says: If you don't help and helping is no danger to yourself, you can go to jail for a maximum of one year or pay a fine.

Yes, we had a similar law pass in Massachusetts (U.S.) in recent years, but to my knowledge it has never been enforced. I cannot imagine a judge in their right mind interpreting the statute so stringently that they would imprison someone (not just throw them in jail for a short time...prison...for a year or more...) for that.

[LOCpunks]

well if you where a homeless man period, Why are you on the streets being a bum in the first place, I mean its fair to say you dont have the will or want to live a better life

Wow. Just...wow. Now that is just fucked up. That couldn't be further from the truth.

how is that far from the truth?

and with all do respect please tell us all how the street life is

Stop trying to be condescending. If you really think that homeless people have no will to live, then you have a serious absence in logic. Obviously, you have never encountered a panhandler. Or, rather, walked through a bad neighborhood at all. You don't have to be "from the streets" to see what homeless people go through.

[whatsupwithat]

Yes, we had a similar law pass in Massachusetts (U.S.) in recent years, but to my knowledge it has never been enforced. I cannot imagine a judge in their right mind interpreting the statute so stringently that they would imprison someone (not just throw them in jail for a short time...prison...for a year or more...) for that.

Ahh, yeah, Massachusetts. Boston was where I was born and raised. Did a lot of work with the homeless back there (80's). I actually befriended a few guys and "became" homeless for a few days there...and then, when i moved here (nyc), again for a few days to see what it was like.

Of course, a few days and knowing you have a place to go home to doesn't give you the full idea of the desperation and other issues affecting the homeless, but it does give you some compassion and understanding.

Now I'm remembering how I used to bring people home (my ex was oh so patient), give them a hot shower, a meal, some books, blankets, and herbal remedies. Funny story...a few years go by, I had stopped doing that (got jaded) and I'm walking down the street one day and this guy sitting in a doorway jumps up and says, "It's you!" and starts saying how much my kindness had helped him and how the herbs and tea I had given him had cured his illness. He was so thankful. And I was so moved and humbled that something as simple as giving someone some herbs to get better had had such an impact.

yeah, I'm a sucker.

[Marinus]

But the question is:
What would you have done if you had seen a homeless man dying?
Maybe even right outside of club vapor while you were walking in?
"No human chords are struck without a resonance in another human's life ..."


I would've been devastated ...

[Blank]

well if you where a homeless man period, Why are you on the streets being a bum in the first place, I mean its fair to say you dont have the will or want to live a better life

Wow. Just...wow. Now that is just fucked up. That couldn't be further from the truth.

how is that far from the truth?

and with all do respect please tell us all how the street life is

Stop trying to be condescending. If you really think that homeless people have no will to live, then you have a serious absence in logic. Obviously, you have never encountered a panhandler. Or, rather, walked through a bad neighborhood at all. You don't have to be "from the streets" to see what homeless people go through.

you stupid emo fag i never said they didnt want to live,
absence in logic yeah you could use alittle logic for not reading exactly what i wrote :roll:
Hey I thought you had to be 18 or over to register?

[TheOne1]

[quote="General Disarray"]I spent a week in Russia last year. The last night I was there I saw an old homeless man bleeding to death on the sidewalk. People were literally stepping over him and ignoring his cries for help. I send my friend to call for help while I sit with him and try to calm him down.
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did you at least apply basic first aid?
or maybe he came across dr. jack after he was parolled, and he did him a free favor?

[4star4]

Why was he bleeding to death? What happened to him? Why were you in Russia? I was in Spain for 6 months, I know what it is like to have orphans begging for money at the train station in Madrid. I gave them some coins.