On The Evolution of TGirl Porn

[SkyTwo]

All right. Bear with me for a second. I thought I'd float a serious idea here for once and see what people had to say.

If you watch (American) TG porn any older than the mid-90's, or maybe even the late 90s, I'd guess it's usually done in a very 'GG' style. As in the fact that a TGirl is involved is downplayed in a big way. The man in the scene goes out of his way to avoid contact with the girl's junk, or they'll include a GG to take care of that. Sure, it's anecdotal evidence, but I think you get the idea.

Now that I've seen a bit from Japan and Italy, it seems like they're about where the American stuff was back then-- I can't be too specific because I'm not a TS porn scholar. Japan is still a nation of closet cases, and I suspect Italy places a high premium on machismo.

On the other hand, I remember a British lad mag writing a story on the subject a few years ago saying that it's one of the fastest-growing genres, and it's obviously changed in a big way in the US pretty recently.

Here's my thought-- although TS issues as a whole are still seen as more Springer than Oprah (Princess Gianna could attest to that), there's obviously something in society that is not only increasing the production-- since there's obviously a market-- but that the production follows a pretty typical arc in terms of going from 'testing the waters' to enthusiastic production. Maybe the same is true with bisexual pornography, but I suspect gay porn was always a matter of 'what can we get away with producing,' rather than what peoplewould buy.

OK. So that isn't exactly earth-shattering, since you could say the same thing about interracial porn, gay porn, etc. But I'd be interested to hear from people, especially in other countries since this site had plenty, who could talk about the evolution of TGirl Porm in their own countries, how it relates to the US, and other various thoughts on the topic.

[TomSelis]

I'm not sure about the Italian porn tho'. Any Italian porn with TS's have been extremely hot and passionate.

[TJT]

You have to remember that before the early/mid-90's there were no drugs like Viagra to help the girls up? What was the point of have the male talent suck on a flaccid dick for 10 minutes with no possibility of an erection or money shot from the girl? The same with the girl screwing the guy. You can't fuck w/a limp dick. People don't pay for porn to be bored.

Due to medical advances more of the girls can be functional now. The male talent has something to perform on.

[SkyTwo]

Damn. Not the point and not the point, respectively. It isn't about the quality of directing and it isn't about Tgirls on top. Maybe I'll give this a bump someday when more are online.

[Vala_TS]

So the TS's take ED drugs these days?

Vala,

[tonkatoy]

I think i know what you mean SkyTwo. I noticed the same thing about older Ts porn, that the guy would pretty much ignore or actively avoid touching the girls genitalia. I was surprised, frankly, back in the early 90's
by all the ts phone sex ads in the back of Hustler and Penthouse. I think that, while still a small portion of the total porn industry TS porn is increasing, and that must be in response to demand, plus the internet has made it much easier to market to smaller target audiences. I wonder when TS will start making more of a showing in mainstream porn, or if that is still to much on the fringe. I think there will eventually be more of a crossover. On a side note, i bought some ts tapes at a store about 10 years ago and I happened to see the clerk filling out a form that was for internal store use, and it had check boxes for the 'category' of porn; i.e. straight, gay, bi, interracial, I found it interesting that he checked the straight box, so the people marketing this stuff are classifying it as straight. That may have changed since then, or there may now be a separate ts class,

[Vala_TS]

I think i know what you mean SkyTwo. I noticed the same thing about older Ts porn, that the guy would pretty much ignore or actively avoid touching the girls genitalia. I was surprised, frankly, back in the early 90's
by all the ts phone sex ads in the back of Hustler and Penthouse. I think that, while still a small portion of the total porn industry TS porn is increasing, and that must be in response to demand, plus the internet has made it much easier to market to smaller target audiences. I wonder when TS will start making more of a showing in mainstream porn, or if that is still to much on the fringe. I think there will eventually be more of a crossover. On a side note, i bought some ts tapes at a store about 10 years ago and I happened to see the clerk filling out a form that was for internal store use, and it had check boxes for the 'category' of porn; i.e. straight, gay, bi, interracial, I found it interesting that he checked the straight box, so the people marketing this stuff are classifying it as straight. That may have changed since then, or there may now be a separate ts class,

I think these days, they have a transexual category.

Vala,

[WendyWilliams]

Ts porn is Straight Speciality : Transsexual

[SkyTwo]

Ts porn is Straight Speciality : Transsexual

This thread went nowhere, but you knew what I was getting at, Tonka. It's interesting to see the 'evolution' of the genre in the US, and-- I think-- see the same process in other countries.

But Tonka and Wendy's comments reminded me of a Savage Love column from a while back. A woman wrote in scared that her bf was gay because he liked TG porn. That's happened a couple of times since I became a fan, but I got a kick out of his reply. And yes, I realize that the last thing this site needs is another thread about that topic. But it was funny. Something like "your boyfriend may be a little queer, but he's definitely not gay."

Damn. I should've kept this on topic, since it was my topic. Any thoughts on the evolution of the genre?

[WendyWilliams]

I only posted the category because as a Producer, performer and director I know where MOST porn stores and AVN categorize it: Straight Speciality: Transsexual..

My post was nothing more or nothing less.

[SkyTwo]

I only posted the category because as a Producer, performer and director I know where MOST porn stores and AVN categorize it: Straight Speciality: Transsexual..

My post was nothing more or nothing less.

True. And I wasn't trying to take it out of context or anything. Although I'm still interested in hearing people's thoughts on the evolution of the genre. From what I've seen of Japanese 'new half' videos, for example, it followed the same... trajectory? A progression from movies where the male actors actively avoided genital contact (or the producers decided it wasn't going to sell) to more 'enthusiastic' interaction and a less passive role for the woman. You know, just to see if that's the general trend in whatever country's productions.

If so, then it seems to be progress of a sort toward broader acceptance. Or again, I could just be suffering from "confirmation bias."

Sorry, Wendy. Didn't mean to provoke anyone-- just thinking out loud.

[Dinand]

Here's my point of view. Many years ago I didn't think I would ever buy she-male movies because it was not my kind of genre. For me the girls didn't look girlish enough. But then I noticed over the years that the girls kept looking better and better and the girl who got me hooked on these movies was Danyelle Evangelista. When I saw her on the boxcover I jut had to buy the movie and I got hooked. So my evolution has to do with the girls keep getting hotter and hotter and the movies are also being shot better and better, she-male has become more mainstream if you compare it with like 10 years ago.

[Martin C.]

Hi let me tell you about the evolution of tgirl porn here where I live, Brazil.
Some years ago it was impossible to see tgirls porn 'cause the video store had only straight porn. About 10 years ago I saw the first tgirl video here and it was "Mr. Madonna 2" . After that I saw lots of brazilian movies and then I discover the americans movies ,,, in ten years the porn industry got bigger. It's amazing all the evolution and now with internet let's see what'll happen.

[djlunitik]

Well as a guy who is living in Israel i can just say that the Tgirl porn have evolved alot the past 10 years.
but i think its mostly because of society woldwide.
if you think for a minute woman all over the years where portraited as housewifes or took a passive role in life , there for the porn was maily for men and thus it allways showed what men wanted to see , passive girls even if they had a cock between their legs.
nowdays that woman take much bigger role and todays woman is precieved as a strong woman who wants to sucseed in so called "man's world" there is much more room for tgirl porn especialy the fact that being gay is no longer considered as a taboo and now days especialy in israel in the last 10 years , stright people are going to gay parties and so and everything is mixed with everything thus tgirl porn.
i think todays man wants sometime to me more controled ever then before and we want sometimes to be a bit passive this is why tgirl porn is doing really well , it allways has room for us in our fantasies this is why i would connect between tgirl porn and strap-on porn (historicly wise) people are much more open , today you can see in Israel in chat rooms tgirls speaking openly and showing their pictures on the mainstream sites .

[peggygee]

Me being an old head, I can remember 10 years back and then some. :P

I would concur with what the OP has said that back in the day that men
didn't pay as much attention to the girls genitilia as they do now, which
was fine and dandy.

A few reasons may be as TJT pointed out 'the magic of the little blue pill'
has enabled girls to be more erect. And also as djlunitik has pointed out
societal roles for men and women have been more in flux, thus we see
more changes due to that as well.

I've got a couple of old VHS mix tapes that i really need to convert to
DVD but one can definitely see the evolution.