Escorts - BJ with or without Protection ?

[Jennifer_English]

Following on from tlew85's post....

I am interested.....

Do you give clients oral with or without protection ?

Also... Is it not irrelevant wether or not you swallow as I thought any STD would be present on the skin of the penis anyway ?

I realise that many who vote may not want to add to the thread but a vote would be most appreciated... please escorts only...

x

[General Disarray]

hmm(interested to see results)

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

hmm(interested to see results)

Me too! LOL :lol:

I'm all up for protection. I believe..A few minutes..heck even an hour of lust and fun shouldnt be a lifetime sentence! ;)

Life is already short as it is why make it even shorter and with PAIN? LOL ;)

If in a relationship, get both of you tested so atleast you get a good night sleep. :P

~Kisses.

HTG

[Bic]

hmm(interested to see results)

Me too! LOL :lol:

I'm all up for protection. I believe..A few minutes..heck even an hour of lust and fun shouldnt be a lifetime sentence! ;)

Life is already short as it is why make it even shorter and with PAIN? LOL ;)

If in a relationship, get both of you tested so atleast you get a good night sleep. :P

~Kisses.

HTG

i agree 156489489147%

[TJ347]

Following on from tlew85's post....

I am interested.....

Do you give clients oral with or without protection ?

Also... Is it not irrelevant wether or not you swallow as I thought any STD would be present on the skin of the penis anyway ?

I realise that many who vote may not want to add to the thread but a vote would be most appreciated... please escorts only...

x

Sorry to interject here Jen, but I just had to... In the future, you might want to repeat that and make it stand out a bit more, as PLEASE ESCORTS ONLY!!! PLEASE ESCORTS ONLY!!! would go farther towards getting the response of the escorts you wanted to comment here, and reducing those of non-escorts, if you will. Again, sorry to be commenting here myself, what with not being a tgirl escort, but I trust you can appreciate my reason. :wink:

[whatsupwithat]

It'd be insanity, true insanity, to NOT use a condom. And I don't think anyone here, escort or escort visitor would have the balls to com in here and say they don't use a condom. Know why? Because that would make them one of the stupidest people on the planet.

Sorry to be harsh...but I am sick of fucking burying my friends! Thank you.

[whatsupwithat]

Unreal on those vote totals. Only 5 voting, but 4 never use protection. And now these numbers begin to make sense:


National HIV Prevention Conference
Atlanta, Georgia - Jun 12-15, 2005

STD/HIV TRANSMISSION ISSUES
AMONG TRANSGENDER COMMERCIAL SEX WORKERS


ISSUE: HIV/STD transmission issues within the TG (transgender) community are misunderstood not only by the general population but by the transgender individual themselves. HIV/STD’s are also increasing at an alarming rate within the TG community.

SETTING: HIV/STD transmission routes unique to the TG individual, issues in testing and receiving care, psychosocial issues of risk taking behavior.

IMPLICATIONS: The Transgender community is a largely diverse group. Within the TG community are particular sub-groups that are more at risk than others. MTF (male to female transgender) sex workers have high rates of HIV infection, with overall rates of 35% in San Francisco in 1997 and 22% in Los Angeles in 1998. A study of MTF sex workers in Atlanta found that 68% tested positive for HIV. Infections among MTFs continue to rise, with an estimated rate of new infections of 3-8% per year. Injection drug use is also visible among MTFs, again putting them at high risk for HIV. In a San Francisco study, 18% of the respondents reported non-hormonal injection drug use in the past six months and half of this group shared syringes. MTFs may inject female hormones in order to feminize their bodies, putting them again at increased risk. Transphobia, or the pervasive social stigmatization of MTFs, greatly exacerbates their HIV risk. This intense stigmatization results in their social marginalization, which includes the denial of educational, employment and housing opportunities. It also creates multiple barriers to accessing health care. Such marginalization lowers MTFs’ self esteem, increases the likelihood of survival sex work and lessens the likelihood of safer sex practices. All of this can lead to high rates of HIV, STDs, drug use and attempted suicide. Pre-GRS (genital reassignment surgery) MTFs primarily have sex with men and are likely to engage in receptive anal sex, which puts them at increased risk. Some MTF commercial sex workers are willing to not use condoms with their paying partners if they are offered more money however, some studies show that most unprotected sex occurs with primary partners, not paying partners. Psychosocial factors such as poverty, low self-esteem, depression, rejection, and powerlessness are cited by many MTFs as barriers to sexual and drug risk reduction. For example, many MTFs state that they engage in unprotected sex because it validates their female gender identity and boosts their self-esteem. Commercial sex is largely a means of survival. For many MTFs, securing employment and housing are more pressing issues than HIV and must be addressed before HIV prevention efforts can be effective. Many trans-gender individuals do not access HIV prevention or health services due to the insensitivity of service providers and health care staff or fear of being revealed as transgender.

Special thanks to: Transgender Advisory Committee to the AIDS Office and the San Francisco Department of Public Health, AIDS Office Kristen Clements, Kerrily Kitano, and Willy Wilkinson San Francisco County Jail (San Bruno), Tenderloin AIDS Resource Center, Tom Waddell Clinic And the Center for AIDS Prevention Studies at the University of California San Francisco.

Copyright notice: The National HIV Prevention Conference is collaborative effort by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a U.S. Government agency, and other governmental and non-government organizations. All abstracts published by the conference organizers are in the public domain and can be used without permission. Proper citation, however, is required.

[blckhaze]

rubbers at all times. it may not feel as good during, but i feel better(safer) after.

[nikkitsfun]

The question was a B.J. without protection...

Yes we shoot 99% of our erotic adventures without protection when it comes to B.J.s

Guys have to $ to co-star with me...and everything I do is for the camera when it comes to erotic adventures...so I am 1/2 escort...lol

....The last time we were tested in L.A. the doctor said they were going to stop giving free hiv tests for those that state they only do oral...coz no one is getting HIV from BJs

...Before you hit me with a bunch of crap about Oral & Hiv...know your numbers...coz I do.

...Now as for all the other crap out there you can catch...you are 100% right...risky business...but how many actually show movies/pics with Condoms for Oral?...and the way this Poll is going so far...not many protect when they do Oral.

[Jennifer_English]

TJ347 - Thanks for the advice... next time i'll do just that.. :O)

whatsupwithat - I Totally understand where you are coming from allthough you seem to have focused more on penetrative sex without protection.. which is different.... In that case I would ALWAYS use protection..

nikkitsfun - Thank you for your thread response... It was nice that someone was open enough to post....I'm loving the way guys pay $$ to star with you..! I may take a leaf out of your book!!

The results havn't surprised me... I know in a perfect world we would all
use protection all the time... but personally I think if I put myself in the clients position for $2-400 an hour I would pretty much expect it without...

[whatsupwithat]

this thread makes me sad.

and, once again, i'll point to the research study above done in 2005. and no, jennifer, i'm not just talking about penetrative sex...isn't your life worth more than a couple hundred bucks?

[TJT]

AIDS is the major concern but their are many other diseases that should make one insist clients wrap it up for bj's. If you're an escort the odds are you're going to run across something sooner or later.

[whatsupwithat]

AIDS is the major concern but their are many other diseases that should make one insist clients wrap it up for bj's. If you're an escort the odds are you're going to run across something sooner or later.

Co-fuckin'-sign.

[peggygee]

I don't escort, but no glove no love.

And a dental dam for my coochie. :wink:

[tsmandy]

sometimes I think you guys are so full of shit. I mean, it would be awesome if the standard in the industry was guys demanding protection, but In my entire experience escorting I only had 1 client who ever chose to give me a bj while I wore a condom.

I always maintained a strict double standard. Guys have to be covered, and I would cover up if requested (strictly for blow jobs, anything involving penetrative sex needed a condom or glove). It was a risk I was willing to take (ie the risk of HPV, syphlis, etc... but not HIV). Since I don't ejaculate, or have pre cum, I could get tested and feel good about that option.

And for all the people who swear up and down that bj's don't cause HIV, I have a very close friend living with AIDS who knows exactly when, where and from who he contracted the Virus, and it was most definitely from oral sex.

[arnie666]

Every single escort I have seen (five :) ) started to blow me without a johnny and I had to ask them too put one on . It may sound unbelivable but I had to ask one to put a johnny on as she was rubbing her dick around my butthole and I was concerned she was going to stick it in without a rubber. :shock:

I am always cautious apart from one moment of being a total fukhead and I am surprised as these girls weren't from a phonebox on Kings cross. Just because I may look healthy doesn't mean Iam and if I was them I would value my health more. But perhaps many men demand a blow job without a rubber so not all the blame can fall on them.

[whatsupwithat]

sometimes I think you guys are so full of shit. I mean, it would be awesome if the standard in the industry was guys demanding protection, but In my entire experience escorting I only had 1 client who ever chose to give me a bj while I wore a condom.

That is amazing to me. With all of the information...that someone would actively choose that with anyone...anyone. And I'm not full of shit...but then again I don't visit escorts. But even in my personal life, I would never have sex (oral/penetration) with someone without a condom. It's truly a deathwish not to.



And for all the people who swear up and down that bj's don't cause HIV, I have a very close friend living with AIDS who knows exactly when, where and from who he contracted the Virus, and it was most definitely from oral sex.

Yeah, I have a few friends that also are very well aware where and how they got it...oral.

[shotgun]

A blow job with a rubber is not much of a blow-job and not something I would pay for.

That's why I don't pay for them. It's not worth the risk.

whatsupwithat seems to get pretty worked up about it, and I think he's right to. It's your life we're talking about, and people need to loose that; 'It's not going to happen to me' attitude. From what I have read, most Ts Escorts tend to exist in a closed community (of sorts). If even ONE person in that community has AIDS (and they do, it's been said) then everyone needs to take that to heart and smarten up.

[whatsupwithat]

whatsupwithat seems to get pretty worked up about it, and I think he's right to. It's your life we're talking about, and people need to loose that; 'It's not going to happen to me' attitude. From what I have read, most Ts Escorts tend to exist in a closed community (of sorts). If even ONE person in that community has AIDS (and they do, it's been said) then everyone needs to take that to heart and smarten up.

Yeah, i do get worked up. I have buried/taken care of enough friends to never not be. And if anyone would like to go visit an AIDS ward sometime or deliver food to homebound patients, I highly recommend it. Beyond bringing something to people, doing some good, you'll never go condomless again.

And you're absolutely right about the community. If one person has AIDS and they have unprotected sex...say with a john...and then that john has unprotected sex with other escorts...who have unprotected sex with other johns...who have sex with their wives and others...and on and on and on.

If I was transgender and an escort, I would be straight up telling my sisters who didn't use condoms to get their shit together...that they are putting me and everyone else at risk.

[peggygee]

These are some general guidelines.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/safesexphoto7.jpg
AND REMEMBER HIV - AIDS ISN'T THE ONLY STD,
TO BE PROTECTED AGAINGST - HAVE FUN - BUT BE SAFE.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/safesexchart8x10.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/condoms4x4.jpg

[sucka4chix]

Her's an idea---why don't you stop having recreational sex if you're so concerned about it. Condoms don't prevent anything, they just lower you're chances. Anyone that's so bent should be preaching abstinence!

[Jennifer_English]

Yeah, i do get worked up. I have buried/taken care of enough friends to never not be. And if anyone would like to go visit an AIDS ward sometime or deliver food to homebound patients, I highly recommend it. Beyond bringing something to people, doing some good, you'll never go condomless again.

And you're absolutely right about the community. If one person has AIDS and they have unprotected sex...say with a john...and then that john has unprotected sex with other escorts...who have unprotected sex with other johns...who have sex with their wives and others...and on and on and on.

If I was transgender and an escort, I would be straight up telling my sisters who didn't use condoms to get their shit together...that they are putting me and everyone else at risk.

Like I said - I HEAR YOU... BUT you are talking about UNPROTECTED SEX.... that WASNT my question... I was talking about ORAL.... jeez..

Does anyone have any information on the risks of catching HIV from ORAL ????

[whatsupwithat]

Jennifer

The risk is low...but people have contracted HIV through oral sex.

From the Centers for Disease Control:

Yes, it is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex. There have been a few cases of HIV transmission from performing oral sex on a person infected with HIV. While no one knows exactly what the degree of risk is, evidence suggests that the risk is less than that of unprotected anal or vaginal sex.

If the person performing oral sex has HIV, blood from their mouth may enter the body of the person receiving oral sex through

* the lining of the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis);
* the lining of the vagina or cervix;
* the lining of the anus; or
* directly into the body through small cuts or open sores.

If the person receiving oral sex has HIV, their blood, semen (cum), pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum), or vaginal fluid may contain the virus. Cells lining the mouth of the person performing oral sex may allow HIV to enter their body.

The risk of HIV transmission increases

* if the person performing oral sex has cuts or sores around or in their mouth or throat;
* if the person receiving oral sex ejaculates in the mouth of the person performing oral sex; or
* if the person receiving oral sex has another sexually transmitted disease (STD).

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa19.htm

[Jennifer_English]

Thank you :O)

[whatsupwithat]

Her's an idea---why don't you stop having recreational sex if you're so concerned about it. Condoms don't prevent anything, they just lower you're chances. Anyone that's so bent should be preaching abstinence!

So, you're saying that if you have sex, why use condoms because they only lower your risk?

[whatsupwithat]

Thank you :O)

You're welcome. :)

[skyler]

Wrap That Rascal! :wink:
http://www.goodairs.com/uploaded_images/obelisco%20condom-742683.jpg

[sucka4chix]

Her's an idea---why don't you stop having recreational sex if you're so concerned about it. Condoms don't prevent anything, they just lower you're chances. Anyone that's so bent should be preaching abstinence!

So, you're saying that if you have sex, why use condoms because they only lower your risk?
No. I'm saying if you get mad at people who do oral without condoms, which you admit is low risk, you should get mad at people having sex of any kind WITH CONDOMS since that only LOWERS risk. If you're so adamant about people not becoming HIV+, then preach abstinence. Condom use won't stop it---just lets people continue to do their thing but feel less guilty about it.I'm saying that if you have sex in a union that can't produce offspring, then it's solely for enjoyment--- thus it's recreational, unfruitful, and unnecessary.Kinda half-assed to say it's ok to do this unnecessary thing that you do only to bring you enjoyment, if you lower (not eleiminate) your risk.
Would you get mad at someone who used a condom, but got infected anyway, or just chock that up as unfortunate?

[whatsupwithat]

Her's an idea---why don't you stop having recreational sex if you're so concerned about it. Condoms don't prevent anything, they just lower you're chances. Anyone that's so bent should be preaching abstinence!

So, you're saying that if you have sex, why use condoms because they only lower your risk?
No. I'm saying if you get mad at people who do oral without condoms, which you admit is low risk, you should get mad at people having sex of any kind WITH CONDOMS since that only LOWERS risk. If you're so adamant about people not becoming HIV+, then preach abstinence. Condom use won't stop it---just lets people continue to do their thing but feel less guilty about it.I'm saying that if you have sex in a union that can't produce offspring, then it's solely for enjoyment--- thus it's recreational, unfruitful, and unnecessary.Kinda half-assed to say it's ok to do this unnecessary thing that you do only to bring you enjoyment, if you lower (not eleiminate) your risk.
Would you get mad at someone who used a condom, but got infected anyway, or just chock that up as unfortunate?

sorry, i think your argument is disingenious at best.

read below.

Despite the high rates of HIV infection that plagues the nation and the world, the federal government is looking into limiting funds for HIV prevention campaigns that say using condoms is the best way to halt the spread of the deadly virus. Such an effort sends terribly mixed messages to young people and will do nothing to combat the AIDS epidemic.

The new rules, proposed by the Centers for Disease Control, are based on legislation from an Oklahoma congressman who believes abstinence should be the center of HIV prevention campaigns, according to The Boston Globe. New campaign literature would not mention that latex condoms are "highly effective in preventing the transmission of HIV," but would focus on abstinence as the best way to prevent HIV transmissions.

The naive legislative efforts do not consider reality in their funding policies. While encouraging abstinence to prevent HIV can be a good message to send to the nation's young people, discouraging condom use is not. Government officials always seem to think that authorities must pick between the two messages in prevention campaigns. In fact, encouraging abstinence while also acknowledging the high possibility that people will have sex is a smart way to reach out to populations in high risk of acquiring AIDS.

Studies from the CDC show that using condoms can reduce the chance of contracting HIV by at least 87 percent. Considering how simple it is to prevent a fatal disease, it makes little sense that the government should muddy HIV prevention efforts in an attempt to impose certain values on the entire populace.

Prioritizing abstinence may be an effective way to inspire loyalty among key conservative voting groups, but it does not justify obscuring a simple and effective message - the message that wearing condoms prevents HIV contractions. Considering how close the election is, the move to downplay the role of condoms in AIDS prevention seems to politicize the lives of people who contract HIV, just in time for November.

The CDC proposal will also require campaign literature to be approved by local public health authorities. In many towns in this country, these authorities would be too quick to censor the explicit but important information that can be found in AIDS prevention brochures.

Shifting to an abstinence-driven HIV prevention campaign only imposes a few legislators' values on everyone else. In the case of AIDS prevention, such value-driven policies are not merely annoying but dangerous.

are you some kind of born again here to get your kicks and, when you can, spread the FALSE word of the bush administration? or are you that gullible that you buy into it?

also...just an fyi...sex between people that cannot produce offspring is not just done for enjoyment...you left out intimacy, love, and everything else present in a heterosexual relationship.

[sucka4chix]

I don't buy into much the Bush (or any other) administration, the CDC, forum members or media try to sell me. I look at things and draw my on conclusions. I have plenty of views on this entire topic that I'm sure would piss you and probably everyone else here off--- so I'll keep them to myself. But the fact is that sex if not done for procreation is done for recreation, that goes for heterosexuals too. Unlike you, I can accept that. Sex does not express love, you're being silly. And as a recreational activity, not much different than doing drugs (the release of endorphins), it always involves some risk. You're getting mad at people who chose to take a personal risk, when you're doing the EXACT SAME THING, you just feel better because you think your risk is lower.You're going to die, and personally I think you're gonna die the way it's planned for you to die. Some people get infected with HIV and never develope AIDS, just like some people smoke 10 packs of cigs a day and live to be 90. Why? Man doesn't know because he doesn't know everything and is not in control of everything.
I'm saying if you want to start a crusade, start one against rec. sex otherwise you're just advocating playing the odds.And you didn't answer my question: WOULD YOU BE MAD AT SOMEONE WHO CONTRACTED HIV WHILE WEARING A CONDOM? (I'll answer it for you-- NO!). It's kinda simple logic, sorta like " doctor it hurts when I do this"..."well don't do that!". If you truly don't want to catch a sexually transmitted disease, don't have sex.

[whatsupwithat]

I don't buy into much the Bush (or any other) administration, the CDC, forum members or media try to sell me. I look at things and draw my on conclusions. I have plenty of views on this entire topic that I'm sure would piss you and probably everyone else here off--- so I'll keep them to myself. But the fact is that sex if not done for procreation is done for recreation, that goes for heterosexuals too. Unlike you, I can accept that. Sex does not express love, you're being silly. And as a recreational activity, not much different than doing drugs (the release of endorphins), it always involves some risk. You're getting mad at people who chose to take a personal risk, when you're doing the EXACT SAME THING, you just feel better because you think your risk is lower.You're going to die, and personally I think you're gonna die the way it's planned for you to die. Some people get infected with HIV and never develope AIDS, just like some people smoke 10 packs of cigs a day and live to be 90. Why? Man doesn't know because he doesn't know everything and is not in control of everything.
I'm saying if you want to start a crusade, start one against rec. sex otherwise you're just advocating playing the odds.And you didn't answer my question: WOULD YOU BE MAD AT SOMEONE WHO CONTRACTED HIV WHILE WEARING A CONDOM? (I'll answer it for you-- NO!). It's kinda simple logic, sorta like " doctor it hurts when I do this"..."well don't do that!". If you truly don't want to catch a sexually transmitted disease, don't have sex.

The risk is 87% lower with a condom.


And, no, I would never be mad at anyone who contracted HIV, no matter how they contracted it. However, I would be mad at someone who had HIV and knowingly had unprotected sex with people...or people that don't have HIV and don't take some simple steps to stop its spread to them and others.

[whatsupwithat]

I don't buy into much the Bush (or any other) administration, the CDC, forum members or media try to sell me. I look at things and draw my on conclusions. I have plenty of views on this entire topic that I'm sure would piss you and probably everyone else here off--- so I'll keep them to myself. But the fact is that sex if not done for procreation is done for recreation, that goes for heterosexuals too. Unlike you, I can accept that. Sex does not express love, you're being silly. And as a recreational activity, not much different than doing drugs (the release of endorphins), it always involves some risk. You're getting mad at people who chose to take a personal risk, when you're doing the EXACT SAME THING, you just feel better because you think your risk is lower.You're going to die, and personally I think you're gonna die the way it's planned for you to die. Some people get infected with HIV and never develope AIDS, just like some people smoke 10 packs of cigs a day and live to be 90. Why? Man doesn't know because he doesn't know everything and is not in control of everything.


btw, no disrespect, but it seems obvious to me where your philosophy is coming from. am i correct?

[sucka4chix]

btw, no disrespect, but it seems obvious to me where your philosophy is coming from. am i correct?
No disrespect taken I'm actually quite impressed and surprised that your demeanor has remained very civil. I can't say where my philosophy comes from--- I don't fit squarely in any group, but I'm sure you're correct about my foundation. On that foundation I've built a "philosophy" basically just observing how things seem to occur on this planet.
Your feelings are commendable but some people take more risks than others; it's just the way they live their lives.After a while you have to accept the decisions people make as their own, even if they're lethal.

[Danterichard]

From the UK. I'm NOT an escort but have been with dozens over the years. ALMOST all expectr to be sucked without a condom and the majority are happy to give a blow-job without - though some ask to be warned before you cum and very few i have encountered swallow. It is my understanding from talking to both girls and doctors that there are NO recoded cases of HIV infection from oral sex. Anecdotal evidence though.
As for penetrative sex - as others have said you'd have to be mad or already infected. I've never been offered it - either way - and after sex in chatting no girl has ever been anything but totally hositile to the whole concept.

[whatislove]

People make "decisions" based on there experience and habit more than anything. Occasionally you can influence that and actually learn from other experiences. (A uniquely human quality) Most places have seatbelt laws now, and the total cost of healthcare for car accidents, insurance, crushed families went down.

Before that I can tell you the people who most wore seatbelts were those who intimately affected by a car accident.

"Just the way they live their lives." People expect something from society. Should society have no expectations?





btw, no disrespect, but it seems obvious to me where your philosophy is coming from. am i correct?
No disrespect taken I'm actually quite impressed and surprised that your demeanor has remained very civil. I can't say where my philosophy comes from--- I don't fit squarely in any group, but I'm sure you're correct about my foundation. On that foundation I've built a "philosophy" basically just observing how things seem to occur on this planet.
Your feelings are commendable but some people take more risks than others; it's just the way they live their lives.After a while you have to accept the decisions people make as their own, even if they're lethal.

[CockStroker]

The new rules, proposed by the Centers for Disease Control, are based on legislation from an Oklahoma congressman who believes abstinence should be the center of HIV prevention campaigns, according to The Boston Globe.

The pervert thing about such an opinion is, that a political party is using the fear of death and illness and making an action (in this case sex), that they don't agree to, more dangerous to people to increase the fear, to force people into a specific behaviour, that they as a party want.

It's like intentually building a very unstable and unsafe bridge over a rift to prevent people crossing to the other side, because you don't want them to. And if they try and die, because the bridge collapsed, saying: "Your fault. You knew the bridge was unstable." while in fact the guilt is on the one who built the bridge intentually unstable, because it was in his very interest and he wanted people to die if they try to cross.

It is also very "unamerican" (in the quoted case), since America is about freedom for the people - and making sex more dangerous to prevent them having it is actually intentually taking away freedom from US citizens.

[LG]

Following on from tlew85's post....

I am interested.....

Do you give clients oral with or without protection ?

Also... Is it not irrelevant wether or not you swallow as I thought any STD would be present on the skin of the penis anyway ?

I realise that many who vote may not want to add to the thread but a vote would be most appreciated... please escorts only...

x

Sorry to interject here Jen, but I just had to... In the future, you might want to repeat that and make it stand out a bit more, as PLEASE ESCORTS ONLY!!! PLEASE ESCORTS ONLY!!! would go farther towards getting the response of the escorts you wanted to comment here, and reducing those of non-escorts, if you will. Again, sorry to be commenting here myself, what with not being a tgirl escort, but I trust you can appreciate my reason. :wink:

:lol:

Yes, it's interesting that there are already 34 responses. I didn't even think we had 34 escorts posting on these boards.
So guys, let's make this clear. You are not supposed to vote on this one.

[InHouston]

I received BJ from an escort one time, and didn't use a condom. Two days later I was at the doctor's office getting a prescription for clap.

:smh It's not worth the risk.

[62des]

What's clap?

[mpcc2004]

I don't buy into much the Bush (or any other) administration, the CDC, forum members or media try to sell me. I look at things and draw my on conclusions. I have plenty of views on this entire topic that I'm sure would piss you and probably everyone else here off--- so I'll keep them to myself. But the fact is that sex if not done for procreation is done for recreation, that goes for heterosexuals too. Unlike you, I can accept that. Sex does not express love, you're being silly. And as a recreational activity, not much different than doing drugs (the release of endorphins), it always involves some risk. You're getting mad at people who chose to take a personal risk, when you're doing the EXACT SAME THING, you just feel better because you think your risk is lower.You're going to die, and personally I think you're gonna die the way it's planned for you to die. Some people get infected with HIV and never develope AIDS, just like some people smoke 10 packs of cigs a day and live to be 90. Why? Man doesn't know because he doesn't know everything and is not in control of everything.
I'm saying if you want to start a crusade, start one against rec. sex otherwise you're just advocating playing the odds.And you didn't answer my question: WOULD YOU BE MAD AT SOMEONE WHO CONTRACTED HIV WHILE WEARING A CONDOM? (I'll answer it for you-- NO!). It's kinda simple logic, sorta like " doctor it hurts when I do this"..."well don't do that!". If you truly don't want to catch a sexually transmitted disease, don't have sex.

So by your philosophy I guess I shouldn't wear any protective gear on my motorcycle because it won't completely prevent my death if I have an accident just lower the chances of me dying. Or seatbelts aren't needed either. Or maybe babies shouldn't be put in child seats because it won't absolutely prevent their death in an accident, just lower the chances.

Or maybe noone should be concerned with what they are eating and drinking because a good diet won't prevent an early death, just lower the chances of it happening.

You are entitled to think what ever you wish in this country. But I have to tell you that attitudes like yours lead to millions of prentable deaths throughout the world each year. Additionally, this attitude leads to much higher health care costs which in turn affects the global economy which in turn affects you. Everything is global and circular. What you do eventually affects everybody else and then affects you again.

[ARMANIXXX]

What's clap?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=clap

[tsmandy]

Once again, many people believe that oral sex is not a statistically significant risk factor for HIV. However, few health care professionals will claim that oral sex does not cause HIV.

I have a close friend who contracted HIV from a man he was dating back in the early 90's when it was believed that oral sex could not cause HIV. Thanks to meds he is still alive, though for how long none of us know. I see little reason why he would lie, and one friend who will die from unprotected oral is enough for me.

That said, bbj (bareback blow job) is an extremely contention issue in the sex industry. Whether you are talking about trans sex workers or non trans sex workers. A large percentage of escorts offer bbj, some to completion, some not, and those that do present the same "race to the bottom" that affects workers in any industry. Girls that don't have a difficult time competing, and thus have to A. live with a lower income, B. publicly demand safe sex from fellow sex workers (which at times can include some really nasty fights) or C. compromise their health and safety in order to compete. I imagine this is a prevalent issue in the porn industry as well, though there seem to be more of an emphasis on testing in the porn industry.

As for abstinence. Well...
I want to create a world where recreational sex is safer, and to me, from a harm reduction standpoint can include many positive steps.

First and foremost, challenging the cultural stigma attached to the use of condoms. Offering quality safe sex education that deals honestly with risks that adults can choose to take, and not teaching abstinence only, which is an incredibly harmful public policy. Most importantly for this discussion, the immediate legalization of sex work with an emphasis on testing and regulation. If prostitution was legal, sex workers could unionize and demand safer working conditions which don't pit providers against each other.

Of course the Bush administration is much more concerned with blaming people living with AIDS and pursuing its cruel and calculated plan to push its religious agenda in cohort with the major pharmaceutical corporations profits, over any semblance of public health.

For those guys who care about the health and safety of working girls, support working providers who have a safe sex policy, and make sure they survive and thrive.

xoxo
mandy

[thedevilandthedeepbluesea]

www.thebody.com
Info on this site suggests a chance of 1 in 20,000 of contracting HIV by fellating someone who is known to have the disease. Please note that I am not making any claims for myself, but am just putting this forward for discussion. Aside from the (possible?) AIDS risk, what other risks do people take when they do not us a condom for oral sex? Please level-headed replies only (wailing and gnashing of teeth tends to detract from any reasonable response) and please don't put forward word of mouth as gospel.

[phxguy]

How did they come up with that figure, 1 in 20,000?

Up until last year, I used to give oral without a condom. However, that nagging feeling wouldn't leave me alone. I kept telling myself "yeah, it's a low risk, but there's still a risk."

I went to the county health department to take an HIV test. I was told that the risk for HIV is low, but I had a better chance of getting gonorrhea, syphilis, herpes, chlamydia and genital warts. For $20, I can be tested for all five, plus get an HIV test.

I'm happy to say I came out negative on all six. From now on, I will only give covered BJs. It's not as much fun as giving uncovered, but at least I can feel safe doing so. The temptation to give uncovered will always be there, but taking an HIV test has been very stressful for me. I will keep telling myself it's not worth the risk.

[house]

Yeah, i do get worked up. I have buried/taken care of enough friends to never not be. And if anyone would like to go visit an AIDS ward sometime or deliver food to homebound patients, I highly recommend it. Beyond bringing something to people, doing some good, you'll never go condomless again.

And you're absolutely right about the community. If one person has AIDS and they have unprotected sex...say with a john...and then that john has unprotected sex with other escorts...who have unprotected sex with other johns...who have sex with their wives and others...and on and on and on.

If I was transgender and an escort, I would be straight up telling my sisters who didn't use condoms to get their shit together...that they are putting me and everyone else at risk.

Like I said - I HEAR YOU... BUT you are talking about UNPROTECTED SEX.... that WASNT my question... I was talking about ORAL.... jeez..

Does anyone have any information on the risks of catching HIV from ORAL ????

Thats a good question. I hear that question alllll the time. There's almost no chance. Of course cuts (ugh) and other obvious signs should be considered. But there's almost no chance. The only things to worry about with oral are hpv and bacterial infections.

[62des]

What kind of dopehead question is that? Oral is a form of sex. Fuck HIV/AIDS you can still get HERPES and the shit will be with you for LIFE not to mention all the other shit that I don't kow about at the moment. Damn! No wonder so many guys are getting all these diseases!

[thedevilandthedeepbluesea]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but herpes lesions can occur on other areas of skin than those covered by a condom. Are you advocating abstinance or do you just have no idea what you're talking about? Maybe some replies from people who can back up their statements with actual knowledge and who don't shriek "think of the children!" all the time, would be helpful?

[qeuqheeg222]

i knew some girls down south who got syphilis from doin the bbj...sores in the mouth and a nasty skin rash..not cute at all...this shit is making a comeback....

[thedevilandthedeepbluesea]

With Syphilis is it not likely to be transmitted from a visible lesion also?

[Luna555]

...

[62des]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but herpes lesions can occur on other areas of skin than those covered by a condom. Are you advocating abstinance or do you just have no idea what you're talking about? Maybe some replies from people who can back up their statements with actual knowledge and who don't shriek "think of the children!" all the time, would be helpful?

Don't try and flip the subject here, we're talkin about unprotected sex smarty pants. We know herpes can occur other ways the point is, UNPROTECTED SEX LEADS TO DISEASES!