this Immigration bullshit going on......................

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I know this has probably resulted in a massive bloodbath in Politics & Religion but I'm not going in there, everytime I do I get hooked and don't wanna leave

so let me ask a question:

Do they really expect any illegal transsexual woman to go home pay $5k that they could spend here on surgery and cellphones then re-apply and come back KNOWING that 98% of them have been arrested meaning they KNOW they ain't coming back......................

?!?

[Solitary Brother]

Dude
Theres like 20 million illegals of a certain nationality in this country.......
I dont think they are worried about "trannys" at all.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I focused on transsexuals only because this is a transsexual forum. So answer the question, lol. Do you think ANY transsexual would go home, pay $5k, re-apply and come back?

[whatsupwithat]

I know this has probably resulted in a massive bloodbath in Politics & Religion but I'm not going in there, everytime I do I get hooked and don't wanna leave

so let me ask a question:

Do they really expect any illegal transsexual woman to go home pay $5k that they could spend here on surgery and cellphones then re-apply and come back KNOWING that 98% of them have been arrested meaning they KNOW they ain't coming back......................

?!?


I know a few girls dealing with this now. Can I ask why you say they have been arrested? For what? Where? In their home country? Or here?

[tonkatoy]

i think the ts women could more easily get a work visa, isn't there a provision for having scarce talents or abilities? Most of my knowledge of immigration law comes from the Coneheads movie.

[Solitary Brother]

I have no compassion anymore.
People just kept coming and coming.............
They screwed themselves.
20 fucking million!
Thats 1/5 th the population of Mexico.
No compassion from this hombre'

I will tell you something.
I grew up in Miami and Allanah can back me up on this.
Almost every hatian that hits the shore of Florida gets sent back.
Why is it that black people cant come?
They should make it so ANYONE can come NOT just mexicans and cubans.
NO COMPASSION from me!

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Can I ask why you say they have been arrested? For what? Where? In their home country? Or here?

E great question, I meant in this country.

I want to ask this honestly and I really want honest answers...........

How many transsexual escorts do you know of HAVE NOT BEEN ARRESTED at least once?

I want to say I personally know 3, but I could be wrong.

[tonkatoy]

i know several, none biblically, and all but one have been arrested, but they are also all indigenous.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

anyone else?

[peggygee]

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[whatsupwithat]

Can I ask why you say they have been arrested? For what? Where? In their home country? Or here?

E great question, I meant in this country.

I want to ask this honestly and I really want honest answers...........

How many transsexual escorts do you know of HAVE NOT BEEN ARRESTED at least once?

I want to say I personally know 3, but I could be wrong.


I know quite a few that have not been arrested. But I could be wrong about that, as well. Let's say I am not 'aware' of any, in my social circle, that have.

[Realgirls4me]

I have no compassion anymore.
People just kept coming and coming.............
They screwed themselves.
20 fucking million!
Thats 1/5 th the population of Mexico.
No compassion from this hombre'

I will tell you something.
I grew up in Miami and Allanah can back me up on this.
Almost every hatian that hits the shore of Florida gets sent back.
Why is it that black people cant come?
They should make it so ANYONE can come NOT just mexicans and cubans.
NO COMPASSION from me!

It isn't based on color. Go back and do some research on not only Haiti, but this country's archaic stance against Castro and his Cuban government. In short, a Cuban is considered a political refugee, and welcomed with open arms as just another political dig at Castro's rule, a Haitian does not have such a luxury. Comprende?

.

[peggygee]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/USINFO.jpg

Separate program targeting sexual predators arrests 4,300 people

The United States has removed a record number of 157,281 criminal and other illegal aliens from the United States in fiscal year 2004, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) largest investigative arm.

ICE removed 82,802 criminal aliens in fiscal year 2004, which ended in October, an increase of 6.6 percent over fiscal year 2003. Removals of noncriminal aliens increased by over 10 percent in the same period, to 74,479, the release states.

[whatsupwithat]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/USINFO.jpg

Separate program targeting sexual predators arrests 4,300 people

The United States has removed a record number of 157,281 criminal and other illegal aliens from the United States in fiscal year 2004, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) largest investigative arm.

ICE removed 82,802 criminal aliens in fiscal year 2004, which ended in October, an increase of 6.6 percent over fiscal year 2003. Removals of noncriminal aliens increased by over 10 percent in the same period, to 74,479, the release states.

That's what happens when everyone is a terrorist.

[peggygee]

Homeland Security says 11 million illegals in U.S.
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
August 19, 2006


The Department of Homeland Security yesterday said there are more than 11 million illegal aliens living and working in the United States, up from 8.5 million in 2000 -- a 24 percent jump with an expected annual growth of more than 408,000.

According to a report by the department's Office of Immigration Statistics, the vast majority of the illegals -- nearly 6 million -- came to the United States from Mexico, followed by El Salvador, Guatemala, India and China with a combined total of about 1.4 million.

The greatest percentage increase in the nation's illegal alien population since 2000 was among people from India, a jump of 133 percent, and Brazil at 70 percent, according to the report.

The report also said most of the illegals migrated to California, which now has an illegal alien population estimated at 2.8 million, followed by Texas with 1.4 million and Florida with 850,000.

It said the states with the greatest percentage increases in illegal aliens from 2000 to 2005 were Georgia, at 114 percent; Arizona, 45 percent; Nevada, 41 percent; and North Carolina, 38 percent.

Getting an accurate count of illegal aliens in this country has been a difficult assignment, and the government has acknowledged that obtaining specific information has been impossible, saying its current estimates are based on assumptions and combinations of data.

"Estimating the size of the unauthorized population living in the United States is challenging because of data limitations," the report said. "There are no national surveys, administrative data or other sources of
information that directly provide accurate estimates of this population.

"As a consequence, the unauthorized immigrant population must be estimated by making certain assumptions and by combining data that measure events with those that measure population," it said.

Immigration analysts, law-enforcement authorities and others have suggested conflicting totals for the actual number of illegal aliens in the United States.

[whatsupwithat]

Homeland Security says 11 million illegals in U.S.
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
August 19, 2006


The Department of Homeland Security yesterday said there are more than 11 million illegal aliens living and working in the United States, up from 8.5 million in 2000 -- a 24 percent jump with an expected annual growth of more than 408,000.



Just two thoughts.

One, the Washington Times is run by the RNC. Scary peeps behind that 'paper'.

Two, the DHS has become a political tool and does nothing but inflate certain numbers that allow it to bolster the agenda of the Bush Administration.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I focused on transsexuals only because this is a transsexual forum. So answer the question, lol. Do you think ANY transsexual would go home, pay $5k, re-apply and come back?


Probably Not JWBL. Dont they deport legal immigrants with criminal backgrounds outstanding warrants etc. (Like in one of Peggiegee's articles)? :?

~Kisses.

HTG

[Shining Star]

1. As laws now stand, no person convicted of prositution is eligible to become an American citizen/immigrate into the United States until seven (7) years post conviction. Even then person must show proof they have rehabilitated.

2. There have been trannies deported, one even sued the Federal government charging she was sexually harrassed and raped at the the INS detention center by one of the guards.

3. How or if a trannie arrested for prossing will be turned over to the government depends on several factors. Places like NYC have an offical policy (by mayoral decree) that city workers are NOT allowed to contact Homeland Security and turn illegal immigrants in. However there are aways around this, especially once the person is convicted and sentenced. Once they enter the NYS prison system, the mayor's decree does not apply, and many illegal immigrants are turned over. There are several databases/lists LE has access to, and from there they can find out if the person is wanted by Homeland Security. Generally we are speaking of people who have been ordered deported and never left the country, and or commited major crimes and such.

As for low level prossing, much depends what happens at court. In NYC it used to be girls plead guilty and got community service, a fine and had to attend classes. From what I've been hearing lately, all prossies are getting 30 days, plus the fines etc. If one spends two weeks or so at Rikers, it does give the chance a person's illegal status will be found out, reported and turned over to Homeland Security. I'm not saying it will happen, but it can.

As for trannies becoming citizens/gaining benefits under current or future proposed immigration laws: the largest problem many girls have (after any possible arrests/convictions), is they do not have the proper identification, especially gender appropriate ID. If they were Juan Alberto Garcia in Mexico, crossed the border and became Carmen Cruz; had multiple operations, and so forth they are going to have problems. Immigration will demand original birth certificates and ID that matches what they see at the interview. You cannot apply as a woman when your ID, including birth certificate says you are a man. If you claim you had a sex change operation, they will request a certified copy of the surgical record. Name changes need the official court records and also must be certified.

But by and large the biggest problem most trannies face is a rap sheet. Yes, there are girls who do not work and or have worked and never been arrested, but they still face the same problems listed above.

As for applying for legal status, and paying fines. Most girls probably would, considering the options of returning home and NEVER coming back. No where in the world to trannies make as much as they do in the United States it seems. But they would have to have all their ducks in a row. A trannie who has clean rap sheet, and can produce the proper papers, shouldn't have any problems. There is also the chance the trannie will simply go back into boys clothes (as much as possible), to get the immigration things done, then switch back once things are under way.

There was a trannie who lived/worked on East 80th Street and Second Avenue. Very pretty girl who got popped once or twice. She had a very good-looking BF who had lots of money, the whole nine yards. One day the trannie and BF went to INS (as it was then), to find out about making the girl legal. INS did a quick check of her background and told her because of her arrests/convictions for prossing, she would have to wait seven years after the last conviction to apply, and show rehabilitation, etc. Trannie continued hooking, left the BF, had the sex change and now works as a "GG" stripper/escort. So go figure.

The only illegal aliens who really want green cards/to become legal are those seeking to work legally and lead a rather "normal" life. How many trannies can you name that pay taxes on their "earnings" and or hold legitimate jobs? Without those things becoming "legal" really isn't going to make much of a difference in their lives. In fact it may make things more difficult as they will now be in the "system". Remember those Homeland Security databases I spoke of before? Well where do you think some of those names and fingerprints come from? Persons whom have applied for immigration benefits. If you are working as a prossie, the last thing I think you'd want to do if you were here illegally is have a way for LE to know just who you are and where you come from.

If such a person gets picked up, as states certian cities will not contact the Feds, but the prints and rap sheet are sent to the Federal database. So the next time said person appears at an Homeland Security interview, a quick check will show what happened. That could lead to their paperwork being stopped for those seven years.


SS

[bucatini70]

solitary your only concern are illegal mexicans? not any other of the illegals? before you spew that there are more mexicans as a single group you are right as a whole you are wrong also the hype is that many only come to stay which is not true many come to make enough money to open businesses or buy homes and spend the rest of there life there the canadians are also an immigration problem for the usa. Immigration laws should be made for illegals not just one group.. and to answer your question Black label you're 1000% right i think you might find a few to return to "boystown" though kinda like usa

[whatsupwithat]

1

SS

That was very informative and a great primer on the whole issue. Thank you for taking the time to write that. :)

[dc_guy_75]

Mexico has the 4th highest GDP in the Western Hemisphere (behind the US, Canada and Brazil) and the 13th overall worldwide.

There were 20 million mexicans in 1940, and 120 million today; there would be even more if not for the immigration outlet.

The entrenched, powerful Catholic Church is to blame along with Pemex, which needs to be de-nationalized. Pemex (oil) and Cemex (cement) are the countries two biggest industries and creates a disfunctinal "state-within-a-state".

Obviously, if the US invested more in Mexican infrastructure etc, Mexico's economy would expand, but the corruption is so ubiquitous, it makes it unfeasible.

With such vast oil wealth, they have real no incentive to diversify their industries... for most countries, oil is a curse, not a blessing.

In the end, I forsee the US absorbing Mexico, much like the EU has absorbed poorer countries like Portugal, Greece, Romania, etc. Nation-States have had their run (Treaty of Westphalia until now) and the world is moving towards conglomerated states. However, Mexico needs to get their shit together first.

[Quinn]

Mexico has the 4th highest GDP in the Western Hemisphere (behind the US, Canada and Brazil) and the 13th overall worldwide.

There were 20 million mexicans in 1940, and 120 million today; there would be even more if not for the immigration outlet.

The entrenched, powerful Catholic Church is to blame along with Pemex, which needs to be de-nationalized. Pemex (oil) and Cemex (cement) are the countries two biggest industries and creates a disfunctinal "state-within-a-state".

Obviously, if the US invested more in Mexican infrastructure etc, the country would rise up, but the corruption is so ubiquitous, it makes it unfeasible.

With such vast oil wealth, they have real no incentive to diversify their industries... for most countries, oil is a curse, not a blessing.


That fact that some 36 extended families control nearly half the wealth in Mexico doesn't help matters either. As you alluded to in your post, in absolute terms Mexico is actually fairly wealthy. It's a combination of corruption, grossly unequal income distribution, and "Dutch disease" that keeps Mexico from achieving its potential.

-Quinn

[dc_guy_75]

With the immigration debate, I tend to forget that we're talking about people; who are currently doing the exact same thing that any us would do in thier shoes.

Although most immigrants are Catholic (the last thing we need is an infusion of even more religion), its better than an influx of Muslims, as most Frenchies would agree...haha.

[bucatini70]

it would be in our best interest to absorb Mexico but unfortunately i don't feel that will be realized in the near or far future. More likely the border frontera will become a no mans zone like Algeria keeping the northern africans out of Europe with much the same policy of literally crating the detainees and sending them back to there home destination.
One of the other posters commented about Haitians in Florida and as ex-south florida resident i will tell you maybe in your neighborhood they send them back but in mine they were active but none-the-less there is most definately discrimination in the immigration policy. There is no active border control on the canadian side and by the way even the canadian dollar is accepted at american dollar value in most businesses.

[BlackAdder]

Start shooting people at the boarder ala Shadowrun.....pile those bodies high and ill bet theres a bit of slowdown on running that particular gauntlet.


Im with Solitary, Ive no compassion when it comes to the Mexico border...Not when people from asia, africa, etc have been waiting years in some cases for immigration borders.

[Realgirls4me]

Start shooting people at the boarder ala Shadowrun.....pile those bodies high and ill bet theres a bit of slowdown on running that particular gauntlet.


Im with Solitary, Ive no compassion when it comes to the Mexico border...Not when people from asia, africa, etc have been waiting years in some cases for immigration borders.

Whoa! Shooting them? Mexicans have one big advantage over those hailing from other parts of the world -- THEIR COUNTRY SHARES A BORDER WITH THE US. You can bet everything you own that if this country shared a border with countries from Africa or Asia, the same would occur, even moreso given how much more impoverished countries from those continents are. Don't blame Mexicans for doing the same thing that other groups would illegally do, or for that matter as someone said upstream, what YOU would do also in a heartbeat if it meant putting food in your stomach or providing a roof for your family. Don't make it a race thing.

[bucatini70]

huh? asians and africans waiting at what border? every country has there own individual immgration problem. For example Mexico does not want Hondurans and Guatamalians, Thailand does not want Burmese, Indian and native laotians, China does not want Indians, France, England and Italy don't want North Africans, India doesn't want Paki's, no country is exempt from wanting a specific ethnic type of people. You all don't want to feel any sympathy for them but you all sure as hell will reap the benefits from them and not complain one iota

[BlackAdder]

Actually no, I wont hire immigrant workers...Could I? Yes easily and it would save the company lots of money im sure, but ethically its wrong to hire 5 mexicans and pay them 200$ to tear down a building when there are legal contractors starving for work.

So not everyone is willing to reap the benefits as you say...and im not making it a race thing. Some of the mexicans I know are decent people, and yeah they have it tough, but theyve done an end run around the system that has people waiting years to emmigrate from shitholes in Asia etc etc.

Who knows though, maybe making the penalty harsher wouldnt have an effect at all...After all, look at are prison systems.....5 years for having a dime bag of coke on you in PA....WTF???? And have crime slowed down here???? NO, its actually gone up...People will do what they need to do to survive but something HAS to be done...but then i think that about alot of things. Prison system, gas, social security, taxes...list is depressing:(

[bucatini70]

ok first the the media only portrays mexicans as crossing the border by walking, wading, smuggled neferoiusly. ect. This is the reality some do come through this method but there is a 45 kilometer border on our side and another on their side there 45 border is called the frontera, ours has no real name as long as you agree verbally that you are only going to stay within that limit you can legally come in for 48 hours, some mexicans have what is called a mica and can pass freely within that border. Now if it rains on our side they do not automobile or truck traffic because of liabilty reasons (thanks to the democrats) if a person is in that zone they can fly out on a domestic flight. Your comment about asians almost all asian countries that we have good relationship with can get a tourist visa to enter the country and from there become illegal it might be the most difficult for a philipino female as they feel that there is a hight likelyhood they won't return, thai can pass if they have a job for a few years, bank account and owning property helps, a mexican unless rich cannot get a tourist visa. If they want to fix the problem issue the visa and allow employers to apply for work permits for the immigrants, the work permit would have to renewed annually by the employer only and would also require that the employee re-register there legal address every 90 days in order to keep track, after 3 or more work permits the employee could apply for residency upon proof of payment of taxes, no criminal charges and basic language skills this residency would probationary for 2 years upon proof of the above. Then the immigrant could apply for full citizenship after 10 years of proof of above. Also no chain immgrigation allowed with the exception of wife/husband/legal partner and children. Now if a simple guy like me can come up with something that would really work why can't either of the idotic parties?

[dc_guy_75]

I think we should concentrate on border control and on workplace enforcement facilitated by a biometric identification card issued to immigrants who are or will arrive here legally. Treat the problem of the 12 million with benign neglect. Their children born here are American citizens; the parents of these children will pass away.

[tubgirl]

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Separate program targeting sexual predators arrests 4,300 people

The United States has removed a record number of 157,281 criminal and other illegal aliens from the United States in fiscal year 2004, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) largest investigative arm.

ICE removed 82,802 criminal aliens in fiscal year 2004, which ended in October, an increase of 6.6 percent over fiscal year 2003. Removals of noncriminal aliens increased by over 10 percent in the same period, to 74,479, the release states.

That's what happens when everyone is a terrorist.

i missed this post earlier. are you saying that these people should not be deported?

[tubgirl]

the parents of these children will pass away.

not until they wreak holy terror on an already stretched system...

[Solitary Brother]

Screw the illegals!
They are coming over here risking life and limb and when the get here they wave their mexican flags.
What kind of shit is that?
They just want money they could care less about us gringos.
Meanwhile any BLACK illegal from a country other than mexico is immediately sent back.
JWBL you are either selfish or dumb OR both!
You just care about keeping all that mexican ass here for you to fuck.......thats selfish!(Although really.......lets be honest here......I totally understand).

[TomSelis]

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