How many t-girls are there?

[johnnyshemalelover]

Does anyone know roughly how many t-girls there who have some aspect of a public life as a tgirl, such as modeling (as a transsexual), porn, escorting, etc.?

I know it must be impossible to get pinpoint accuracy, but I'm looking for just a rough estimate, like a hundred thousand or a million (counting the whole world.)

[tonkatoy]

8

[Alchemist]

Eleventy Billion!

[tonkatoy]

my guess is we have straddled the target, fire for effect

[whatsupwithat]

hmmm...

[TJ347]

The answer is 2,208,327... but that was a 2005 global count.

[TJ347]

Just wanted to add that if anyone wanted to research those numbers independently, I got them here...

[whatsupwithat]

Just wanted to add that if anyone wanted to research those numbers independently, I got them here...

yes, i am familiar with that particular method of research.

[TJ347]

Just wanted to add that if anyone wanted to research those numbers independently, I got them here...

yes, i am familiar with that particular method of research.

Quite, professor. I'd expect no less from a distinguished chap such as yourself. Cheerio, old man! :lol:

[Felicia Katt]

42

[whatsupwithat]

42

You mean that tgirls are the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything?

[Trans_Lover]

not enough?

[Felicia Katt]

42

You mean that tgirls are the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything?

:) glad someone got it

FK

[LG]

not enough?

Man, I don't get you. One minute you're saying you love tgirls, the next you spout crap like:

trannies are all nut cases

I don't even know why you hang around here, since, as you claim this is

a forum full of fags in denial where
99% of topics are from self obsessed fucktards This place, you claim
seems totally full of self centered tards and most of us
are fucking idiots, and tweaked in the head Apparently"
certified tranny experts" are just closet queers, you say so we can just blow you
and swallow a chunky load Chunky? Ewww...

So I must ask you once again. What the fuck is your problem? Are you schizophrenic or just retarded?

[TJ347]

just retarded

Since you clearly know the answer, why ask the question LG? :lol:

[BeardedOne]

42

You mean that tgirls are the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything?

:) glad someone got it

FK

Sorry, I was having coffee at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe, so couldn't post promptly.

[tonkatoy]

42

You mean that tgirls are the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything?

:) glad someone got it

FK

Sorry, I was having coffee at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe, so couldn't post promptly.well, i got it too........

[TanyaShevenal]

42The meaning of all things in the universe. I loved those books growing up, and the movie opened it up again for me recently.

[Felicia Katt]

42

You mean that tgirls are the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything?

:) glad someone got it

FK

Sorry, I was having coffee at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe, so couldn't post promptly.
I find that highly improbable :)

meow

FK

[peggygee]

Whoa! 1 in 10000? I always heard it was 1 in 250.


If it's 1 in 10000, how are there so many of them out there?
AGTFB


That is is an interesting question.

I believe the answer lies in the fact that this APA article is quoting the rate found in Western countries.

However if you factor in countries like Thailand, Brazil, etc, then this may skew the results.

Also, with the Internet, and rapid air travel, you tend to have one large 'global village'. Thus the 'hottie' ten thousand miles away, is on your desktop in a nanosecond, or in your arms after a short airline flight 8)

How prevalent are transgender people?

It is difficult to accurately estimate the prevalence of transgender people in Western countries. As many as 2-3% of biological males engage in cross-dressing, at least occasionally. Current estimates of the prevalence of transsexualism are about 1 in 10,000 for biological males and 1 in 30,000 for biological females. The number of people in other transgender categories is unknown.


Ok, lets do the math. 1 in 10,000 = 10 in 100,000 = 100 in 1 million. Then the 1 in 10,000 will come to the larger cities for community support.
So I wonder how many would be in a large city like NYC or LA? If the US is approaching 300 million then that would mean 15, 000 M to F in the US.

If you include other gender varients such crossdressers, at 2 to 3 percent
that would mean 3 to 4.5 million in the US using the number of 150 million males.

Anyway, i have a question of my own. Can post-ops generally experience orgasms though oral sex only? A good percentage of GGs can do it; so I hear: not that I've ever tried it myself.




Whoa! 1 in 10000? I always heard it was 1 in 250.


If it's 1 in 10000, how are there so many of them out there?
AGTFB


That is is an interesting question.

I believe the answer lies in the fact that this APA article is quoting the rate found in Western countries.

However if you factor in countries like Thailand, Brazil, etc, then this may skew the results.

Also, with the Internet, and rapid air travel, you tend to have one large 'global village'. Thus the 'hottie' ten thousand miles away, is on your desktop in a nanosecond, or in your arms after a short airline flight 8)

How prevalent are transgender people?

It is difficult to accurately estimate the prevalence of transgender people in Western countries. As many as 2-3% of biological males engage in cross-dressing, at least occasionally. Current estimates of the prevalence of transsexualism are about 1 in 10,000 for biological males and 1 in 30,000 for biological females. The number of people in other transgender categories is unknown.
This is a fascinating subject indeed, Peggygee. I've posted some research (by others) and speculation on that research (by myself and others) in this forum and other forums in the past.

I've read various estimates from various sources (some of which have been discussed on HA, in VR's forum, and on TGT), ranging from 1:30,000 to 1:5 (the first seems extremely low, the second absurdly high; the most credible estimates range between 1:250 to 1:3000). Lynn Conway (http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/TSsuccesses.html) estimates 30-40,000 post-op TS in the US; she also has the figure of 50,000 TS in Malaysia (a country of 22 million). Due to differing social attitudes, estimates of the TS population in a country like Thailand are probably much more accurate than in the US, where so many are stealth. Thailand's 300,000 translates to 1:206; I doubt that the US ratio of TS to the general population is nearly as great, but 1:3000 seems reasonable (+/- 100,000). It's frustrating though to search for any real data relative to the US demongraphics because there is so little hard data to work with.

However, what it means to be transgendered, as you indicate, varies from culture to culture. Many Brazilian transsexuals (those who have had extensive surgeries and HRT to emulate their ideal female form) are not transgendered in the sense that we may use the term: witness Lisa Lawer reverting to male (and she's not the only one). In Thailand, it's commonplace for katoey to not even have breast implants but simply dress very feminine and wear their hair very long, yet they are psychologically transgendered (cf. Male, Female and Transgender: Stereotypes and Self in Thailand by Sam Winter and Nuttawut Udomsak, http://www.symposion.com//ijt/ijtvo06no01_04.htm). (Of course, many katoey do indeed have feminization surgery and GRS, there's the full spectrum.)

This is only the initial stab at estimating the ratio of transgendered to the general population, and it may be far off for any number of reasons, but it's a start. The best estimates, for instance, show a ratio of 1:206 for Thailand (approx. 300,000 TS out of a base population of over 62 million) and 1:270 for the Philippines (approx. 250,000 out of 80 million), which is within the range I propose (+/- 1:300), though the cultural differences between these southeast Asian countries are extreme in many ways (all TS in the Philippines are considered gay, while Thais are considered a "third sex" or katoey, distinct from gay men and more accepted socially--though not without limitations).

In other words, regardless of what the known transgender population of any country is, there must be a statistically valid ratio of transgendered to normally gendered persons in any population, and I'm suggesting that that ratio is on the order of 1:300 or even 1:200. However, many people may not even realize that they are transgendered (as evidenced by the number of TS who comment on their confusion prior to beginning their transition, going through gay phases and the like because they don't understand their own innate nature). Moreover, some people may become transsexual without actually being transgendered (this is reportedly the case among many of Brazil's TS population, where many are actually gay men, not transwomen: see Lisa Lawer as an example). Social and cultural patterns, coupled with individual actualization, probably make it impossible to determine the ratio with any precision. But if transgenderism is innate, and especially if it stems from prenatal development (which is appearing to be the case for homosexuality), then it stands to reason that there is a statisical baseline of TG people in the general population.

Sources: American Psychological Association
http://www.apa.org/topics/transgender.html

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=12755&start=0

[muhmuh]

42

You mean that tgirls are the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything?

i think shes hinting at a fundamental stuggle between her pandimensional transsexual rodent nature and her feline side

[moose146]

lots

[francisfkudrow]

OK, so it's a minimum of 8 (that doesn't seem too likely--I can think of more than 8 off the top of my head) and a maximum of "eleventy-billion" which I guess would be the same as 110 billion (more than the population of the Earth--also not likely), with an average estimate of 27,500,552,094, which oddly enough is also more than the population of the Earth.

[muhmuh]

OK, so it's a minimum of 8 (that doesn't seem too likely--I can think of more than 8 off the top of my head) and a maximum of "eleventy-billion" which I guess would be the same as 110 billion (more than the population of the Earth--also not likely), with an average estimate of 27,500,552,094, which oddly enough is also more than the population of the Earth.

so even if you clip it to the actual female population of ~3 milliard humanity on the whole is screwed with not a single (live) female born with ovaries left on the planet

[TsVanessa69]

Now who could ever honestly answer that question? Some people post just to make a post

[johnnyshemalelover]

not enough?

Ladies, Gentlemen and Perverts, WE HAVE A WINNER!

:lol:

[johnnyshemalelover]

Now who could ever honestly answer that question?


The answer to your question is peggygee President of the IPOWA.

Her response was posted in this thread on Sun May 20, 2007 at 7:06 pm.



Some people post just to make a post

Yes, you've made that blatantly obvious.

[TJ347]

Some people post just to make a post

Yes, you've made that blatantly obvious.

Now that was a mean spirited response... :wink:

[dc_guy_75]

In Saudi Arabia? zero.

[johnnyshemalelover]

How prevalent are transgender people?

It is difficult to accurately estimate the prevalence of transgender people in Western countries. As many as 2-3% of biological males engage in cross-dressing, at least occasionally. Current estimates of the prevalence of transsexualism are about 1 in 10,000 for biological males and 1 in 30,000 for biological females. The number of people in other transgender categories is unknown.
This is a fascinating subject indeed, Peggygee. I've posted some research (by others) and speculation on that research (by myself and others) in this forum and other forums in the past.

I've read various estimates from various sources (some of which have been discussed on HA, in VR's forum, and on TGT), ranging from 1:30,000 to 1:5 (the first seems extremely low, the second absurdly high; the most credible estimates range between 1:250 to 1:3000). Lynn Conway (http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/TSsuccesses.html) estimates 30-40,000 post-op TS in the US; she also has the figure of 50,000 TS in Malaysia (a country of 22 million). Due to differing social attitudes, estimates of the TS population in a country like Thailand are probably much more accurate than in the US, where so many are stealth. Thailand's 300,000 translates to 1:206; I doubt that the US ratio of TS to the general population is nearly as great, but 1:3000 seems reasonable (+/- 100,000). It's frustrating though to search for any real data relative to the US demographics because there is so little hard data to work with.

However, what it means to be transgendered, as you indicate, varies from culture to culture. Many Brazilian transsexuals (those who have had extensive surgeries and HRT to emulate their ideal female form) are not transgendered in the sense that we may use the term: witness Lisa Lawer reverting to male (and she's not the only one). In Thailand, it's commonplace for katoey to not even have breast implants but simply dress very feminine and wear their hair very long, yet they are psychologically transgendered (cf. Male, Female and Transgender: Stereotypes and Self in Thailand by Sam Winter and Nuttawut Udomsak, http://www.symposion.com//ijt/ijtvo06no01_04.htm). (Of course, many katoey do indeed have feminization surgery and GRS, there's the full spectrum.)

This is only the initial stab at estimating the ratio of transgendered to the general population, and it may be far off for any number of reasons, but it's a start. The best estimates, for instance, show a ratio of 1:206 for Thailand (approx. 300,000 TS out of a base population of over 62 million) and 1:270 for the Philippines (approx. 250,000 out of 80 million), which is within the range I propose (+/- 1:300), though the cultural differences between these southeast Asian countries are extreme in many ways (all TS in the Philippines are considered gay, while Thais are considered a "third sex" or katoey, distinct from gay men and more accepted socially--though not without limitations).

In other words, regardless of what the known transgender population of any country is, there must be a statistically valid ratio of transgendered to normally gendered persons in any population, and I'm suggesting that that ratio is on the order of 1:300 or even 1:200. However, many people may not even realize that they are transgendered (as evidenced by the number of TS who comment on their confusion prior to beginning their transition, going through gay phases and the like because they don't understand their own innate nature). Moreover, some people may become transsexual without actually being transgendered (this is reportedly the case among many of Brazil's TS population, where many are actually gay men, not transwomen: see Lisa Lawer as an example). Social and cultural patterns, coupled with individual actualization, probably make it impossible to determine the ratio with any precision. But if transgenderism is innate, and especially if it stems from prenatal development (which is appearing to be the case for homosexuality), then it stands to reason that there is a statisical baseline of TG people in the general population.
Sources: American Psychological Association
http://www.apa.org/topics/transgender.html

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=12755&start=0

Terrific response, thanks!!

[peggygee]

In Saudi Arabia? zero.


Fatwas allowing SRS have been issued in a number of Isamic countries,
including Iran, Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, etc.

A fatwa is a legal opinion or ruling issued by an Islamic scholar, judge
or mufti. It will be based upon the Qur'an, Sunnah and Islamic
Shari'ah. The Shari'ah is the revealed and the canonical laws
of the religion of Islam.

However it appears that, as a conservative Islamic state, Saudi Arabia
does not allow surgery for transsexuals, but permits operations on people
with an intersex condition. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3814041.stm


Thanks for pointing me to this. Peggy

First I will say that what peggygee has said is 100% accurate.

FYI the word for transsexual in arabic is "mukhannath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhannathun)".
When this is explained to people in the west it is sort of fudged around. In one place they may say it means hermaprodite, in others they may say Eunnuch. Sites ran by homosexual muslims will try to claim they were just gay men (but then then homosexuals say that about moder transsexuals too :-?)

This page basically links to all the historical stuff you would want to know about. The most interesting thing is that Mohammed aparently knew several of us. Most who were friends of his youngest and fovaroite wife Aisha.
Wikipedia:Mukhannathun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhannathun) Mukhannathun (Arabic مخنثون "effeminate ones",
singular mukhannath).

You may notice the use of the male pronoun in that page. It is correct to the thinking of the time. Though these people were free to change role there was no concept of change of sex as we think of it. Castration to stop masculinizeation and that was about it. Hormoes? Want to suck on a goat ovary?

Never the less it should not be surprising that transsexuals of that time would find their way to Mecca in disproportionate numbers, it was the New York of its time and place.

I find it very interesting reading all that stuff how in so many ways those transsexuals were much like the transsexuals here and now.

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=17394&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=fatwa&start=0

[peggygee]

Terrific response, thanks!!

Thank you, you are most welcome.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/TheMoreyouknow4x2.jpg

[rt_saurus]

Does anyone know roughly how many t-girls there who have some aspect of a public life as a tgirl...

One brazilian?