What the f*ck is up with some girls?!? Only date straight?

[whatsupwithat]

The following was my first post on this board:

"Okay, I just joined and this may not make me very popular, but I have to get it off my chest.

Okay...I am NOT an "admirer" or a freakin' "tranny chaser". My preference for transsexuals happens to be my sexuality, who and what I'm attracted to. I'm really sick of seeing guys like myself referred to by transsexuals as one of the aforementioned names.

Look, I know society treats transsexuals as oddities and lacks understanding of the decisions you made for yourself. I also understand the sick and twisted cyclical oppression that goes on in our community.

Wait a minute...did I say "OUR" community?

That's right, I said OUR community. The simple fact of the matter is that when I realized my sexuality and entered into a relationship with a transsexual, I became part of the transgender community. I, as a young white male open about who he was and is, became an oddity, a pervert in society's eyes.

And I'm not. Pisses me off to no end.

So, I refuse society's labeling of me. And of you. And because of that, I also refuse to let you, the people I support and love and am attracted to, demean me and the men who are similar to me for liking and supporting you for who and what you are.

peace. "

Now I bring it up again because, well, what the f*ck is wrong with some of you girls?

This whole "I only date straight men" is ludicrous.

I mean...come on! I never understood why transgender women would NOT want a man who loves and respects who they are, where they came from, and won't have any hangups about it. And it's fucking self-defeating for them because they choose guys that DO have hangups.

Arrrggghhh!!

*breathe*

i feel better now. carry on.

[/b]

[Kabuki]

I'm curious to hear what the "straight" dating ladies have to say :popcorn

[Vicki Richter]

"I only date straight" is another way for a TS to say that she only dates top guys. It doesn't really have any other hidden meaning.

[whatsupwithat]

"I only date straight" is another way for a TS to say that she only dates top guys. It doesn't really have any other hidden meaning.

Well, thanks for letting me in on that. I'm a top....so I guess that makes me "straight" in a girl's mind? It sounds like too easy of an explanation...there's got to be more...no?

[Tanuki]

Hmmm. now that is interesting Vicki. That means I'm straight.. Hooray!

[Legend]

"I only date straight" is another way for a TS to say that she only dates top guys. It doesn't really have any other hidden meaning.

Well, thanks for letting me in on that. I'm a top....so I guess that makes me "straight" in a girl's mind? It sounds like too easy of an explanation...there's got to be more...no?

I think there is,maybe a little labeling!

[Kabuki]

But I often heard some girls say that they wouldn't date anyone who knew that they're a TG. They consider the men that don't know their TG status as "straight". They want a "straight" man to fall in love with them. Not an "admirer" or "trannychaser".

[Tanuki]

well, its confusing.

The question is among us "straight men who like transexuals" are we gay?..

Our minds tell us we're straight. My mind tells Me i am straight.. I have only been with ONE tgirl and I didnt go downstairs and i didnt want too. I am sure everyone here is slightly different about that. But as for me that's how i feel..

so we are straight.. but then there is the little issue down below to deal with. wait a minute.... but..
uhm
I dont feel like getting graphic here... but.... its confusing..

[Darkwing Duck]

Also, from what I gather "trannychaser" is more applied to creepy guys that chase/stalk ts women on the d-l than an upfront no-nonsense fellow like yourself.

You sound like a nice guy so I'm sure there's someone out there for ya. Take care.

[whatsupwithat]

But I often heard some girls say that they wouldn't date anyone who knew that they're a TG. They consider the men that don't know their TG status as "straight". They want a "straight" man to fall in love with them. Not an "admirer" or "trannychaser".

And that's what pisses me off. It's my sexuality. I'm not judging the girls for who they are. I just want to know why, to some, maybe not Vicki, it's bad thing to like them for who they are? What's up with that? A little self-hatred, maybe? Low self esteem?

[whatsupwithat]

But I often heard some girls say that they wouldn't date anyone who knew that they're a TG. They consider the men that don't know their TG status as "straight". They want a "straight" man to fall in love with them. Not an "admirer" or "trannychaser".

Which is exactly what the OP is. 'Hot Pursuit'.

OP?

[Darkwing Duck]

Well, sadly some women of all types are going to have irrational hang-ups. C'est la vie! Just take it in stride and eventually someone will come around to appreciate you.

[dc_guy_75]

Its funny to use the word "straight" meaning "top"... Plenty of gay guys are only "tops".

In my experience, girls don't mind whether or not we're "straight" when giving them oral sex...

Lets now define the word "amnesty"...lol

[trannybanger]

well if a guy that is interested only in topping is "straight", i can understand that i suppose.

but any transwoman wanting to only date "straight" guys that don't know their gender right off the bat is a pretty slim chance in hell. i mean honestly if a guy doesn't or never has dated a transgender, and is surprised later on that she was not born a woman. what are the chances that he is gonna be cool with it and be down? 10%? more? less? and that is assuming that she is unclockable enough to go anywhere and not be noticed. and what are the chances of that with the majority of transwomen? truly?

i think any transwoman that thinks she can honestly only date "straight" guys that never had any previous interest in women like her, will not be dating very much. or she will look for a guy like that but take on the occasional "trannychaser" at her whim we she needs the attention... and how often is that?

[NiceBod]

But I often heard some girls say that they wouldn't date anyone who knew that they're a TG. They consider the men that don't know their TG status as "straight". They want a "straight" man to fall in love with them. Not an "admirer" or "trannychaser".

That's right, that's what I've always said. They want a guy who is not usually into trannies, just into her only...A guy that meets the girl in question thinking she is a genetic female and then falls for her "regardless" of her having a dick. This is like the ultimate ego boost for a TS...landing a "straight guy"

[DavidLynch]

I asked this in the other thread. Do some transwoman feel like guys who like them more for having a penis than for their female qualities do not "validate" them as women and perhaps feel some resentment towards them.

:?

[whatsupwithat]

But I often heard some girls say that they wouldn't date anyone who knew that they're a TG. They consider the men that don't know their TG status as "straight". They want a "straight" man to fall in love with them. Not an "admirer" or "trannychaser".

Which is exactly what the OP is. 'Hot Pursuit'.

OP?

OP=Original Poster

So, you're saying I'm a trannychaser? Exactly why would you say that?

[dc_guy_75]

[quote=Kabuki]A guy that meets the girl in question thinking she is a genetic female and then falls for her "regardless" of her having a dick. This is like the ultimate ego boost for a TS...landing a "straight guy"

The movie "Princessa" was all about this subject. In the middle of the night, the main character tried to fuck her boyfriend, when he was receptive, she flipped out and left him.

....then she went back to working the streets, wtf... its just of movie though.

[whatsupwithat]

[quote=Kabuki]A guy that meets the girl in question thinking she is a genetic female and then falls for her "regardless" of her having a dick. This is like the ultimate ego boost for a TS...landing a "straight guy"

The movie "Princessa" was all about this subject. In the middle of the night, the main character tried to fuck her boyfriend, when he was receptive, she flipped out and left him.

....then she went back to working the streets, wtf... its just of movie though.

That was a great film. And that was a great scene.

[Tanuki]

I just sparked a bowl and reread the thread.. I have to say. It makes less sense now..

Unisex seems to be taking it in the right direction.

Tgirls are both male and female.. In the end it is not a question of gay vs. straight. as NEITHER actually apply to this situation.

[whatsupwithat]

I just sparked a bowl and reread the thread.. I have to say. It makes less sense now..

Unisex seems to be taking it in the right direction.

Tgirls are both male and female.. In the end it is not a question of gay vs. straight. as NEITHER actually apply to this situation.

Right. So why is someone that is attracted to that considered less than?

[NiceBod]

I just sparked a bowl and reread the thread.. I have to say. It makes less sense now..

Unisex seems to be taking it in the right direction.

Tgirls are both male and female.. In the end it is not a question of gay vs. straight. as NEITHER actually apply to this situation.

Right. So why is someone that is attracted to that considered less than?

Maybe fear that you are attracted to her for her dick and therefore "gay"

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

But I often heard some girls say that they wouldn't date anyone who knew that they're a TG. They consider the men that don't know their TG status as "straight". They want a "straight" man to fall in love with them. Not an "admirer" or "trannychaser".

Russian Roulette! LOL They are playing with fire and could be beaten black and blue or worst killed for not being upfront with their status Kabuki. We all know alot of tg's suffered that fate repeatedly. My two cent. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[whatsupwithat]

Unisex seems to be taking it in the right direction.



Unisex referred back to me saying I was in "hot pursuit". And to me that's just a fucking off the wall thing to say without even knowing me.

Truth be told, I was in a relationship for 13.5 years with a ts. Since then I haven't "chased" anyone. Yes, I've gone on dates and am looking for someone to date, have a relationship with...but I haven't even fucking slept with anyone for years...and I don't visit escorts. I'm here because I find answers and others like me here...and maybe there's the off chance I'll meet someone through here...but "hot pursuit"? WTF?

[Tanuki]

You know. I dont really know anyone here but I have to say. I have carried these types of questions around with me for a long time now and it is really great to have this forum to figure it out. Nice place.

Yeah. I'm officially stoned.

[dc_guy_75]

For me I'll gladly be either top or bottom... I get pleasure from giving her pleasure, so I'll be "straight" if thats what they want...

I guess I'm "situationally" straight or bi or whatever...

I suppose many girls would prefer for guys to just ignore their penis, but its an elephant in the room.

[trannybanger]

Russian Roulette! LOL They are playing with fire and could be beaten black and blue or worst killed for not being upfront with their status Kabuki. We all know alot of tg's suffered that fate repeatedly. My two cent. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG


Exactly like my post upthread said... the chances of getting what is desired in that circumstances is very slim.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I prefer or tend to date guys that never really were interested in being with a transexual or what they are about. I don't know why I just tend to like those guys more, than guys that are "into" transexuals.

[Colorado Bulldog]

I prefer or tend to date guys that never really were interested in being with a transexual or what they are about. I don't know why I just tend to like those guys more, than guys that are "into" transexuals.

It sounds like you are looking for a 'virgin'.

Perhaps that type of attitude is why there are so many escort ads mentioning first-timers. Not saying that you escort as I don't know but I'm just saying...

[whatsupwithat]

I prefer or tend to date guys that never really were interested in being with a transexual or what they are about. I don't know why I just tend to like those guys more, than guys that are "into" transexuals.

A young TG friend of mine (the little sister I never had) who is getting her SRS and I were hanging out the other day, talking about some of the girls around her age she knows here in NYC. A few of them specifically started taking hormones and got breast surgery because they saw the older girls dating "straight" guys. Now, those young girls are miserable, angry, depressed, and pissed off. They were attracted to a fantasy, not the reality.

[justatransgirl]

Hi, just stopped by...

I think everyone has their own sexual identity. I know for a long time I though I was gay, but I always wanted to be a girl, and "the" girl.

As a professional I've found that the vast majority of the men I date consider themselves "straight." Maybe 10% acknowledge themselves as "bi" and about 2% identify as "gay."

To me just because a man enjoys the company or experience of being with a TS doesn't automatically make him gay or bi, unless HE feels he is. This is because straight men see TS's for the most part as women, not as femme gay boys with boobies. So they are relating to us as women - which is the wany most of us like it.

I think gay men tend to want guys who identify as men, even if they are super femme. One of the cutest "girls" I've ever met is a gay guy I used to buy my cosmetics from. Beautiful skin, I thought he was trans and invited him to a workshop one time and he was like, "Nooo-way, I'm gay."

My partner Jessica, who's so passable she fools TS's, doesn't really even consider herself a TS. She identifies as being a girl with a birth defect, nothing more.

And to me anymore sexuality and gender is just a totally fluid thing and I'm trying not to catagorise myself as much. If anything I'm a straight, bi-sexual lesbian...

I like men as a straight girl, I like women too, and I'm in a same sex relationship with another trans woman, so I guess that makes us lesbians.

And why does it even matter?

Giggle,
TS Jamie

[dc_guy_75]

I prefer or tend to date guys that never really were interested in being with a transexual or what they are about. I don't know why I just tend to like those guys more, than guys that are "into" transexuals.

Its ironic for a TS to like guys that aren't "into" transsexuals...

For a guy, I suppose its similar to being attracted to a good looking lesbian who's not really into men....very hot.

I can see why girls feel that way, but I can only imagine that life could be better for them (and us) if that feeling wasn't there.

[breastyy]

well with me if i find some attractive it would not bother me if they were female or TS as i found them attractive


but i have seen it in films and tv where a ts will try to seduce a straight guy and the straight guy clearly does not like that

[whatsupwithat]

The fact that you also posted this is;

Your thread (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=20157)

Uhm, sorry? Wanting a tshirt to express who I am is wrong? Makes me a chaser? say what? Brother, what planet are you from?






Right.... You're attracted to Transexauls as the label. Not the Womanly attributes she identifies herself as. That's where the Trannychaser label starts to trickle in.

You support what? Their Financial transition (as a Trick) or their emotional transition? (as a spouse)

I support the movement. And part of that movement is you. No, I'm not a fuckin' trick...if you took the fuckin' time to read my response to you, you would understand that.


She identifies herself as a Heterosexual, and you're running around with a shirt that basically says "Strictly Dickly" , then why would they want you?

I'm not sure if you ever taken up Electronics or followed Ohm's Law before. But there is a factual statement of, "Like Charges Repel, Unlike Charges attract".

Where do you get "strictly dickly" from? If you read the thread you linked to you would see my first idea was this:

My transgender girlfriend always knew she was a woman,
so when are you going to start treating her like one?

To me, that's support. Being open and proud, and getting the backs the of the girls, getting on the street and sayin' it.

And Ohm's law...yeah, I'm very aware of it. Maybe that's why I'm feeling repelled by you?

[justatransgirl]

Actually no, I think it is reasonable for trans women to be attracted to men who aren't necessarily attracted to TS.

Id' say perhaps the majority of non sex industry relationships with TS's are with partners who formerly may have never met a TS, but fell in love with the person, not the equipment.

It's easy to forget when involved with the trans porn and sex industry that trans women ARE women inside, so it's normal for them to prefer straight men and relationships.

Asa I think what most of us (everyone not just TS) are looking for is connection and love with someone. And if that girl just happens to have a dick, it's really a non-issue.

Which doesn't mean that just because a guy is attracted to sucking cock that he's gay - though he might be using a TS as a surrogate.

It's all too confusing, let's go have a beer followed by some HOT TS sex!

Giggle,
TS Jamie

[dc_guy_75]

[quote=Unisex]

And Ohm's law...yeah, I'm very aware of it. Maybe that's why I'm feeling repelled by you?

Thats a good response!

In general, I can't imagine life for person who feels like they've been born with a wrong appendage. Its incompreshensible what that would feel like, nor do I want to comprehend it....

In a perfect world, I'd like a girl to enjoy what she has, as many girls do.

[whatsupwithat]

Sorry...my response was to someone else...but this is what i was referring to:


Unisex referred back to me saying I was in "hot pursuit". And to me that's just a fucking off the wall thing to say without even knowing me.

Truth be told, I was in a relationship for 13.5 years with a ts. Since then I haven't "chased" anyone. Yes, I've gone on dates and am looking for someone to date, have a relationship with...but I haven't even fucking slept with anyone for years...and I don't visit escorts. I'm here because I find answers and others like me here...and maybe there's the off chance I'll meet someone through here...but "hot pursuit"? WTF?

[peggygee]

"I only date straight" is another way for a TS to say that she only dates top guys. It doesn't really have any other hidden meaning.


I believe Vicki stated it cogently and succinctly.

The first thing out of many men's mouth is that they
want a dick in their mouth or up their ass. Those
words and sentiments are uttered countless times
on this forum, and others like it.

All too often the women is secondary, it is the cock
that the man is primarily seeking.

Some women see their penis as a source of angst,
and would prefer that little to no attention be paid
to it.

Then, there are other women who are ultimately
seeking SRS, but during the period while they have
a penis they will utilize it and derive pleasure from
it.

Though a woman who is in the sex trade may 'top'
a man for monetary gain, her preference in a
relationship is for her to be the receptive partner.

[hwbs]

hmmmm I think ill add my own spin on this....they want a guy who has never been with a ts...never looked at ts porn....especially never been to any ts bars or events...that way they control the situation...therefore there is no support system for him but the girl... I think its total bullshit cause it sounds more like they want a guy they can mold and manipulate...these labels are so funny ...

I had a girl I know casually , ask about her boyfriend...I told her I saw him hanging in VIP hanging out years back...she was gonna break up with him cause ,he wasn't totally honest about going to a club....fucking so funny cause this was years b4 they met...

oh well I date ts girls!!!!!so fucking what...I had some ts pluck me out at a ts club..then she was done with me...where did it leave me? ill tell ya , real fucking confused about my current sexuality (never saw ts porn or sites b4 this)...I never had any problems with going out in public and shit with a ts...but inside I didn't know what is going on...it wasn't till I met this wonderful person who helped me find my way and cleared the air for me..If I hadn't met her I can tell you that I def wouldn't be here today...

like I had posted in an earlier post " if she's into you . U are str8 ... when she's done with you U are a fag...well I guess im str8 enough to have a gg sleep with me, cause her boyfriend can't make her orgasm...well enough of my rants...I will be returning to my one liners..

[justatransgirl]

Oh - and before I go...

The t-shirt thing. I think we have to all keep a sense of humor.

I for one applaud a guy who is willing to takea chance and stand up and say "I like TS's" even if it's a corny saying on a t-shirt (so long as it isn't demeaning).

And back to the label thing, so what if you're a guy and someone calls you a tranny chaser. Isn't it kind of like being a "whoremonger" in the straight hobby community? It doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, I gotta get ready, we're shooting a video tonight and I'm going to have my favorite guy!

So remember everyone this is supposed to be FUN!

Giggle,
TS Jamie

[blackmagic]

hmmmm I think ill add my own spin on this....they want a guy who has never been with a ts...never looked at ts porn....especially never been to any ts bars or events...that way they control the situation...therefore there is no support system for him but the girl... I think its total bullshit cause it sounds more like they want a guy they can mold and manipulate...these labels are so funny ...

I had a girl I know casually , ask about her boyfriend...I told her I saw him hanging in VIP hanging out years back...she was gonna break up with him cause ,he wasn't totally honest about going to a club....fucking so funny cause this was years b4 they met...

oh well I date ts girls!!!!!so fucking what...I had some ts pluck me out at a ts club..then she was done with me...where did it leave me? ill tell ya , real fucking confused about my current sexuality (never saw ts porn or sites b4 this)...I never had any problems with going out in public and shit with a ts...but inside I didn't know what is going on...it wasn't till I met this wonderful person who helped me find my way and cleared the air for me..If I hadn't met her I can tell you that I def wouldn't be here today...

like I had posted in an earlier post " if she's into you . U are str8 ... when she's done with you U are a fag...well I guess im str8 enough to have a gg sleep with me, cause her boyfriend can't make her orgasm...well enough of my rants...I will be returning to my one liners..

MOTHER FUCKING PREACH IT!!!!! :D

[whatsupwithat]

You have to wear a T-shirt to pronounce who you are? How many Heterosexuals run around with a T-shirt that states this shit? No one actually cares about your sexuality but you. Acting flamboyant is directly Homo.

Dude, that's your own issues.


IAgain, no one actually cares. You're not a woman in transition. I'm a big supporter of womens right movement. Does that mean I should have every woman fall at my feet as well?

What? I'm not looking for anyone to fall at my feet! I have no idea where your mind is taking this...but that is not what I'm saying. I am saying I don't want to be labeled with a negative label by someone just because I like who they are. is that so fucking hard to understand?


LOL, you still don't get it. This is why most of the shit is pure comedy. If you understood Ohm's law, then you would understand how it applies to this situation. They like "Straight" men as someone already pointed out. Look at how you're acting in comparison to what a "Straight" male counterpart acts.

Too catty.

Again, you're own issues. I asked a question. You, without knowing me and based on your own judgements and issues called me a "chaser"..."hot pursuit". And I'm fuckin catty?!?

Just give it a rest, recharge those positive ions.

[hwbs]

dude U are taking the shirt thing way too far. as far as my rubber bracelet thing, it is more or less for club Vapor purposes.. hehe... I know E personally and he's one of the most stand up guys I know....when he says he cares about the comings and goings to the community, he truly does... A lot of people can learn a lot from him...I know I have ...

[dc_guy_75]

In my experience, girls usually don't mind having a "receptive" partner when it comes it oral sex...

Often it comes down to what orafice the guy is receptive ... and how much they're into it. Most girls don't want a cock-obsessed bf, but don't mind the attention after foreplay.

I can see how girls have their feminiinty reinforced by having a "straight" (in their minds) partner...

[whatsupwithat]

dude U are taking the shirt thing way too far. as far as my rubber bracelet thing, it is more or less for club Vapor purposes.. hehe... I know E personally and he's one of the most stand up guys I know....when he says he cares about the comings and goings to the community, he truly does... A lot of people can learn a lot from him...I know I have ...

Thanks, bro'. Appreciate that.


And as far as the tshirt thing goes, Unisex, I'd like to see some guys walking down the street being open about what they like...the girls can't hide...so why should you or any of us? This whole transgender movement needs the men's support. Why should the girls have to do it all themselves? In my mind, they shouldn't.

[hondarobot]

dude U are taking the shirt thing way too far. as far as my rubber bracelet thing, it is more or less for club Vapor purposes.. hehe... I know E personally and he's one of the most stand up guys I know....when he says he cares about the comings and goings to the community, he truly does... A lot of people can learn a lot from him...I know I have ...

For what it's worth, I've been watching this latest roller coaster thread while enjoying a bit of chipotle and cayenne homemade pizza (not bad, but needs some work).

If the "E" that Hollywood refered to is "whatsupwithat", and Hollywood says he's a stand up guy, I'd cut him some slack. That's one of the benefits of being on this forum for awhile. You learn who's opinions to trust.

Just my opinion. I've got some Civ 4 to get back to.

[peggygee]

You have to wear a T-shirt to pronounce who you are? How many Heterosexuals run around with a T-shirt that states this shit? No one actually cares about your sexuality but you. Acting flamboyant is directly Homo.

Dude, that's your own issues.




Again, no one actually cares. You're not a woman in transition. I'm a big supporter of womens right movement. Does that mean I should have every woman fall at my feet as well?



What? I'm not looking for anyone to fall at my feet! I have no idea where your mind is taking this...but that is not what I'm saying. I am saying I don't want to be labeled with a negative label by someone just because I like who they are. is that so fucking hard to understand?




LOL, you still don't get it. This is why most of the shit is pure comedy. If you understood Ohm's law, then you would understand how it applies to this situation. They like "Straight" men as someone already pointed out. Look at how you're acting in comparison to what a "Straight" male counterpart acts.

.

For 'me' it is important that a man be empathetic to issues impacting the
transcommunity.

That's the problem, the only time you see half of the guys that profess to
'love' the girls, is when it applies to sex.

Further, ideally you should love the women for who she is, not for what's
between her legs.

That would be the cheif complaint about men who are involved with
the transcommmunity, it's about the dick and busting a nut.

As a transwomen for us it ain't just about the dick. And for me in
particular, without a dick, it damened sure ain't about that.

You guys, can ask each other a million times, in a million different ways.
And you can contuinue to re-affirm to one another your beliefs, but
when a women is telling you stop chasing her for her dick, you ain't
trying to hear it.

[Tanuki]

You guys, can ask each other a million times, in a million different ways.
And you can contuinue to re-affirm to one another your beliefs, but
when a women is telling you stop chasing her for her dick, you ain't
trying to hear it.

nice

[hwbs]

hes my friend and i say what i like on here...i will goto bat for any of my friends on here...just like u add your :2cent , i will add mine ...

[whatsupwithat]

[quote]LOL, Think about it. You're going through all these changes or dynamics for what? To promote your identity? For what? Who cares! Only you care about your sexuality. They don't.


Once again, as far as the tshirt thing goes, Unisex, I'd like to see some guys walking down the street being open about what they like...the girls can't hide...so why should you or any of us? This whole transgender movement needs the men's support. Why should the girls have to do it all themselves? In my mind, they shouldn't.


What part?

*slaps head*


I don't have to know you. Deductive reasoning worked out just fine.

No, your reasoning is tremendously flawed. Whatever previous issues or misconceptions or fears you came into this thread with are getting piled on me.


dI didn't know you were his spokesperson.

He's not. He's a friend I hang with and rap to a lot...someone who knows me personally. That's all.

[peggygee]

dude U are taking the shirt thing way too far. as far as my rubber bracelet thing, it is more or less for club Vapor purposes.. hehe... I know E personally and he's one of the most stand up guys I know....when he says he cares about the comings and goings to the community, he truly does... A lot of people can learn a lot from him...I know I have ...

For the record E, I believe you talk the talk, and walk the walk.

My diatribe is directed at the faceless D/L, cock bandit, wankers,
whose only interest in transwomen is of a sexual nature, and the
obsesive-compulsive pursuit of the cock.

[hondarobot]

hes my friend and i say what i like on here...i will goto bat for any of my friends on here...just like u add your :2cent , i will add mine ...

I'm being serious. He doesn't seem like a bad guy, the shirt thing last night was a bit silly, but that's all I really know about the situation.

I've read your (Hollywoods) posts for a couple years now. I think your a great guy. No sarcasm intended on my part. Jeez. . .

:?

[whatsupwithat]

For 'me' it is important that a man be empathetic to issues impacting the transcommunity.

That's the problem, the only time you see half of the guys that profess to
'love' the girls, is when it applies to sex.

Further, ideally you should love the women for who she is, not for what's
between her legs.

That would be the cheif complaint about men who are involved with
the transcommmunity, it's about the dick and busting a nut.

As a transwomen for us it ain't just about the dick. And for me in
particular, without a dick, it damened sure ain't about that.

You guys, can ask each other a million times, in a million different ways.
And you can contuinue to re-affirm to one another your beliefs, but
when a women is telling you stop chasing her for her dick, you ain't
trying to hear it.



Thank you, Peggy. you're sayting exactly what I'm saying.

My ex came to me many years ago and asked me what I thought about her going post. I was all for it. It's not my decision, it's hers. I'm glad she asked me though. She decided not to do it, but it didn't make a difference for me, well, because I loved her. And Unisex, I supported her.

:claps

[hondarobot]

Heh, I thought that was directed at me. What a wacky place this is at times.

[whatsupwithat]

dude U are taking the shirt thing way too far. as far as my rubber bracelet thing, it is more or less for club Vapor purposes.. hehe... I know E personally and he's one of the most stand up guys I know....when he says he cares about the comings and goings to the community, he truly does... A lot of people can learn a lot from him...I know I have ...

For the record E, I believe you talk the talk, and walk the walk.

My diatribe is directed at the faceless D/L, cock bandit, wankers,
whose only interest in transwomen is of a sexual nature, and the
obsesive-compulsive pursuit of the cock.

Thank you, Peggy. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the work you do here and outside of here. tremendous.

[Quinn]

hes my friend and i say what i like on here...i will goto bat for any of my friends on here...just like u add your :2cent , i will add mine ...

I'm being serious. He doesn't seem like a bad guy, the shirt thing last night was a bit silly, but that's all I really know about the situation.

I've read your (Hollywoods) posts for a couple years now. I think your a great guy. No sarcasm intended on my part. Jeez. . .

:?

Honda, I don't believe Hollywood's statement was directed at you. Rather, I think it was intended as a response to a statement made by Unisex.

-Quinn

[hondarobot]

hes my friend and i say what i like on here...i will goto bat for any of my friends on here...just like u add your :2cent , i will add mine ...

I'm being serious. He doesn't seem like a bad guy, the shirt thing last night was a bit silly, but that's all I really know about the situation.

I've read your (Hollywoods) posts for a couple years now. I think your a great guy. No sarcasm intended on my part. Jeez. . .

:?

Honda, I don't believe Hollywood's statement was directed at you. Rather, I think it was intended as a response to a statement made by Unisex.

-Quinn

I got that one too late, Quinn. I'm still caught up in my blood lust for killing virtual french soldiers (but that's another thread entirely).

8)

[peggygee]

hes my friend and i say what i like on here...i will goto bat for any of my friends on here...just like u add your :2cent , i will add mine ...

I'm being serious. He doesn't seem like a bad guy, the shirt thing last night was a bit silly, but that's all I really know about the situation.

I've read your (Hollywoods) posts for a couple years now. I think your a great guy. No sarcasm intended on my part. Jeez. . .

:?

I will re-iterate.

I believe E, is a standup guy, a righteous guy. He cares about the
community, he is willing and able, and does put in work for the
community, unlike the vast majority of the men on the board who say
they 'love' transwomen, aren't ashamed to be seen with them, would love
to be in relationships with them, would damn near drink their bath water.

But yet they can't / won't post a picture of themselves, do nothing for
the community other than seek sex, in my opinion they have no right
to speak.

In the other thread 'Ladies' do you think a man who is willing and
or insistent on sucking dick or getting fucked, is he gay.

Now I didn't realize that there were so many transwomen ot this board,
and that responded to that thread, as it was mostlty men that responded,
uttering the party line.

But when women are telling you what they prefer in a mate, in a non-
monetary transaction, I would heed what they are saying.

[hwbs]

ban you from just making assumptions on all of your posts..i dont think so..sounds more like u need a hug , lmao...all i read on your posts is that u assume everything...we dont assume... we live the life we want by not worrying what other people think or act...btw im not a saint or anything , cause i get mine.. i have alot of friends that are transgendered also...so it is only natural for me to care bout things going on with them and in the community...

[peggygee]

but
when a women is telling you stop chasing her for her dick, you ain't
trying to hear it.

I guess that's a cheap shot at me. It's all good though.

It wasn't directed at you, I don't perceive you to be a cock bandit,
however I don't perceive you to be someone doing alot for the
betterment of the community, and not that it's your job to do so.

Not evryone is concerned about or equipped to pursue societal
improvements. So to the point of redundancy I will say that E is
doing that.

He's not just looking for some quick sex on the low, having the girl
as his dirty little secret, he's willing and able to man up, and stand
for the courage of his convictions.

[peggygee]

And to address your original point.

The reason why a girl doesn't want to be in a relationship
with a guy who is cock obsessessed is because for the guy,
any cock usually will suffice.

To him it's all about the sex, the next notch in the bed post, the thrill of
the hunt. How many trannies has he bagged.

He usually doesn't care about the woman, and he damned sure doesn't
care about the community she is in.

It's about dick - period.

[tonkatoy]

I have dated a ts girl for three and a half years, she used to live with me but we are now apart and probably splitting up. I met her by calling her up just to talk, because I thought she had a pretty smile, but at the time I was pretty much surfing trans porn/personals. I actually called her on the advice of my ex gg girlfriend who told me since that was what I was interested in to at least call. I asked her (ts gf)later why she gave me the time of day when I called, and she said it was because i knew the terminology, ie transsexual, and all that. She does not want srs, although she is on hormones and has implants. Our sex life was pretty normal really, just some of the parts were different, but I have never been attracted to someone as much either, not just because of her cock, but that is part of it. The reason we are breaking up has more to do with personalities than trans or whatever. My family knew about her status, at her request, but my friends just thought she was a crazy large chested blond.

I guess my view on this topic is that all people are different, for a girl wanting srs, I can see not wanting a guy who wants anything to do with her pre op gear. I have a friend who is working very hard towards srs, and has a boyfriend who apparently works around things. For myself, I know what I am attracted to, so I will continue to try to find it again, but I also want something long term, so it winds up ultimately being about somebody you love and want to live with. I can see the girls getting tired of being treated like an object, but when you get down to it, guys treat most women as a whole as objects, it not till you get down on one on one terms that you really get to know somebody. I wonder how many of the people on this forum have actually met a ts woman, and how many have lived with one, I think those of us who have feel like we are painted with the same brush that is meant for the guys who really only want sex with a transsexual and nothing else.

that is how i feel


if i feel something else i will post it


ps what happened to my avatar? and how can i load one

[trannybanger]

I have dated a ts girl for three and a half years, she used to live with me but we are now apart and probably splitting up. I met her by calling her up just to talk, because I thought she had a pretty smile, but at the time I was pretty much surfing trans porn/personals. I actually called her on the advice of my ex gg girlfriend who told me since that was what I was interested in to at least call. I asked her (ts gf)later why she gave me the time of day when I called, and she said it was because i knew the terminology, ie transsexual, and all that. She does not want srs, although she is on hormones and has implants. Our sex life was pretty normal really, just some of the parts were different, but I have never been attracted to someone as much either, not just because of her cock, but that is part of it. The reason we are breaking up has more to do with personalities than trans or whatever. My family knew about her status, at her request, but my friends just thought she was a crazy large chested blond.

I guess my view on this topic is that all people are different, for a girl wanting srs, I can see not wanting a guy who wants anything to do with her pre op gear. I have a friend who is working very hard towards srs, and has a boyfriend who apparently works around things. For myself, I know what I am attracted to, so I will continue to try to find it again, but I also want something long term, so it winds up ultimately being about somebody you love and want to live with. I can see the girls getting tired of being treated like an object, but when you get down to it, guys treat most women as a whole as objects, it not till you get down on one on one terms that you really get to know somebody. I wonder how many of the people on this forum have actually met a ts woman, and how many have lived with one, I think those of us who have feel like we are painted with the same brush that is meant for the guys who really only want sex with a transsexual and nothing else.

that is how i feel


if i feel something else i will post it


ps what happened to my avatar? and how can i load one

Props to you my man. :claps I concur.

I too have dated a ts girl before, and it wasn't something I sought out but it brought me into a new world. So I think there are many types of guys here and many types that like trans and genetic women, and it is difficult and unfair to paint everyone with the same brush.

And as a sidenote, all guys are sexually driven no matter what the object of their affection. Not all the time, but definitely some of the time... sex is on their mind and there is nothing wrong with that. It is human nature.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

warning my reply will be longer than anything Peggy has ever put up so you might want to skip it


But I often heard some girls say that they wouldn't date anyone who knew that they're a TG. They consider the men that don't know their TG status as "straight". They want a "straight" man to fall in love with them. Not an "admirer" or "trannychaser".

uh huh, they always know, anyone that thinks otherwise is fooling themselves



i think any transwoman that thinks she can honestly only date "straight" guys that never had any previous interest in women like her, will not be dating very much. or she will look for a guy like that but take on the occasional "trannychaser" at her whim we she needs the attention... and how often is that?

exactly............................




To me just because a man enjoys the company or experience of being with a TS doesn't automatically make him gay or bi, unless HE feels he is. This is because straight men see TS's for the most part as women, not as femme gay boys with boobies. So they are relating to us as women - which is the wany most of us like it.

And why does it even matter?

Giggle,
TS Jamie

Where are you located?!? Are there other women that THINK like you????? I'd like to at least visit this town because it sounds like a place I might like. I've been waiting for a woman to say something like this for a long time. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

p.s. it doesn't matter



hmmmm I think ill add my own spin on this....they want a guy who has never been with a ts...never looked at ts porn....especially never been to any ts bars or events...that way they control the situation...therefore there is no support system for him but the girl... I think its total bullshit cause it sounds more like they want a guy they can mold and manipulate...these labels are so funny ...

I had a girl I know casually , ask about her boyfriend...I told her I saw him hanging in VIP hanging out years back...she was gonna break up with him cause ,he wasn't totally honest about going to a club....fucking so funny cause this was years b4 they met...

oh well I date ts girls!!!!!so fucking what...I had some ts pluck me out at a ts club..then she was done with me...where did it leave me? ill tell ya , real fucking confused about my current sexuality (never saw ts porn or sites b4 this)...I never had any problems with going out in public and shit with a ts...but inside I didn't know what is going on...it wasn't till I met this wonderful person who helped me find my way and cleared the air for me..If I hadn't met her I can tell you that I def wouldn't be here today...

like I had posted in an earlier post " if she's into you . U are str8 ... when she's done with you U are a fag...well I guess im str8 enough to have a gg sleep with me, cause her boyfriend can't make her orgasm...well enough of my rants...I will be returning to my one liners..

this is post 'Gears of War' aggression, but it was a wonderful reply




You guys, can ask each other a million times, in a million different ways.
And you can contuinue to re-affirm to one another your beliefs, but
when a women is telling you stop chasing her for her dick, you ain't
trying to hear it.

HEHE.............................my response to that

I might portray an asshole at times on HA but years before this website existed I was friends with someone who is a legend in the ballroom scene. We met on the street and I never EVER chased her or wanted her for her dick, I knew she was a transsexual and I just thought she was cute as fuck and we both got along (both Virgo's go figure). We hung out alot at her place, did the movie thing, restaurants, typical shit, we didn't date we just enjoyed each other's company. I respected her escorting thing and never questioned her on it, we had sex one time and I blew her back out, that was it. We are still friends to this day and I'd do anything for her. She lives elsewhere and whenever she calls me and tells me she's coming home to NYC we go out and have a good time, again NO SEX just a man & a woman having fun. Is she passable, yes? Would it matter? No. Why? Because I LIKE HER FOR WHO SHE IS, I LOVE HER SOUL. I love HA because I get to see people's perspectives about transgendered women which is something I never had when my close friend packed up and moved out of NYC. I was left with the pickup bar scene which I have no shame in sharing with any of you. It began with the original Edelweiss, followed by a brief horrible stint at the NowBar (which I don't totally hate because that's where I met Allanah) followed up with Opaline, Shelter, & Vapor all Allanah's party spots over the recent years. The pickup bar scene will make a man like myself, E, & Hollywood very bitter and very cold towards many of the girls and many dudes because overall we aren't like they are. There's a genuine attempt at trying to get to know someone on my behalf if I'm interested, I'm not out trying to fuck every chick that throws me a glance, believe me I have the stories and witnesses to verfiy how much sex I've turned down from Allanah's parties alone, which I'm proud of.

E you're a straight man. At the end of the day most of us are STRAIGHT men unless we say we aren't. Your sexual preference is just that: YOURS!!!!!!!!!!! No woman: GG or TS', no man: hetero or homosexual can determine what you are based on a few hours of seeing you at an event/bar/or club. Any of you men can walk away at anytime from the scene, grab a GG have some kids and move on. It's something rarely ever uttered on here, but it's a fact.

If a woman in this scene has a hard time dealing with you being in or around it you will have a tough time. It's like knowing your girl works at a strip club as a bartender or a stripper, and you're out with the fellas or at home watching ESPN while dudes and chicks are at her job trying to get in those panties. If you can deal with that thought in your head and trust your girl then you're good, if you can't it will never work. That's the pickup bar scene for guys like us. Broads that frequent them will ALWAYS have a hard time with you being around it because they don't like you seeing them possibly leave with a client, give a client a lapdance, etc.

[General Disarray]

We all just need a little more tender love and care

[trannybanger]

Broads that frequent them will ALWAYS have a hard time with you being around it because they don't like you seeing them possibly leave with a client, give a client a lapdance, etc.[/b]

Therefore it really is an issue they have with how they are perceived BY you and not truly how they perceive you.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Broads that frequent them will ALWAYS have a hard time with you being around it because they don't like you seeing them possibly leave with a client, give a client a lapdance, etc.[/b]

Therefore it really is an issue they have with how they are perceived BY you and not truly how they perceive you.

hmmmmmmmmm, something to think about my evil twin

[SarahG]

I'm not sure if you ever taken up Electronics or followed Ohm's Law before. But there is a factual statement of, "Like Charges Repel, Unlike Charges attract".

I was always under the impression that ohm's law was the relationship between current, voltage and resistance... ohms = amps/volts

[Tanuki]

Thank You JohnnieWalkerBlacklabel

peace

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I will no longer date any guys that are really into the scene, knows everyone's name, who every girl is and how big every girls dick is.

Never happening again.

In my personal life, I also only date tops. True tops. Not the ones that will pretend to be a top and then be bending over in an instant.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

LOL

WORD! ;)

Welcome to the club Allanah. :P

~Kisses.

HTG

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I will no longer date any guys that are really into the scene, knows everyone's name, who every girl is and how big every girls dick is.

Never happening again.

In my personal life, I also only date tops. True tops. Not the ones that will pretend to be a top and then be bending over in an instant.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shaddup

Miss Girl Scout getting tagteamed porn queen.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Yes but that is bizness

Personal life and Work Life are two different things for me.

[Colorado Bulldog]

This has been a very enlightening thread. Plus, very few flames. :rock2

I'm here to learn to try to find an answer to some of my own curiosities and the info here appears to be some good advice!

I guess in the strictest sense of the word, I would probably be considered a 'trannychaser' (TC). However, I think that would apply to any guy here. If some of the guys are in LTR with a TG, granted they have more of an emotional involvement but 'technically' they are the most devout TC's. The rest us are just wannabe's :)

Perhaps there is more to the TC stereotype than I'm aware of so I don't mean offense to anyone.

The mental image of someone chasing a Scotsman in a kilt - OH THE HORROR! lol

[peggygee]

warning my reply will be longer than anything Peggy has ever put up so you might want to skip it


But I often heard some girls say that they wouldn't date anyone who knew that they're a TG. They consider the men that don't know their TG status as "straight". They want a "straight" man to fall in love with them. Not an "admirer" or "trannychaser".

uh huh, they always know, anyone that thinks otherwise is fooling themselves



i think any transwoman that thinks she can honestly only date "straight" guys that never had any previous interest in women like her, will not be dating very much. or she will look for a guy like that but take on the occasional "trannychaser" at her whim we she needs the attention... and how often is that?

exactly............................




To me just because a man enjoys the company or experience of being with a TS doesn't automatically make him gay or bi, unless HE feels he is. This is because straight men see TS's for the most part as women, not as femme gay boys with boobies. So they are relating to us as women - which is the wany most of us like it.

And why does it even matter?

Giggle,
TS Jamie

Where are you located?!? Are there other women that THINK like you????? I'd like to at least visit this town because it sounds like a place I might like. I've been waiting for a woman to say something like this for a long time. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

p.s. it doesn't matter



hmmmm I think ill add my own spin on this....they want a guy who has never been with a ts...never looked at ts porn....especially never been to any ts bars or events...that way they control the situation...therefore there is no support system for him but the girl... I think its total bullshit cause it sounds more like they want a guy they can mold and manipulate...these labels are so funny ...

I had a girl I know casually , ask about her boyfriend...I told her I saw him hanging in VIP hanging out years back...she was gonna break up with him cause ,he wasn't totally honest about going to a club....fucking so funny cause this was years b4 they met...

oh well I date ts girls!!!!!so fucking what...I had some ts pluck me out at a ts club..then she was done with me...where did it leave me? ill tell ya , real fucking confused about my current sexuality (never saw ts porn or sites b4 this)...I never had any problems with going out in public and shit with a ts...but inside I didn't know what is going on...it wasn't till I met this wonderful person who helped me find my way and cleared the air for me..If I hadn't met her I can tell you that I def wouldn't be here today...

like I had posted in an earlier post " if she's into you . U are str8 ... when she's done with you U are a fag...well I guess im str8 enough to have a gg sleep with me, cause her boyfriend can't make her orgasm...well enough of my rants...I will be returning to my one liners..

this is post 'Gears of War' aggression, but it was a wonderful reply




You guys, can ask each other a million times, in a million different ways.
And you can contuinue to re-affirm to one another your beliefs, but
when a women is telling you stop chasing her for her dick, you ain't
trying to hear it.

HEHE.............................my response to that

I might portray an asshole at times on HA but years before this website existed I was friends with someone who is a legend in the ballroom scene. We met on the street and I never EVER chased her or wanted her for her dick, I knew she was a transsexual and I just thought she was cute as fuck and we both got along (both Virgo's go figure). We hung out alot at her place, did the movie thing, restaurants, typical shit, we didn't date we just enjoyed each other's company. I respected her escorting thing and never questioned her on it, we had sex one time and I blew her back out, that was it. We are still friends to this day and I'd do anything for her. She lives elsewhere and whenever she calls me and tells me she's coming home to NYC we go out and have a good time, again NO SEX just a man & a woman having fun. Is she passable, yes? Would it matter? No. Why? Because I LIKE HER FOR WHO SHE IS, I LOVE HER SOUL. I love HA because I get to see people's perspectives about transgendered women which is something I never had when my close friend packed up and moved out of NYC. I was left with the pickup bar scene which I have no shame in sharing with any of you. It began with the original Edelweiss, followed by a brief horrible stint at the NowBar (which I don't totally hate because that's where I met Allanah) followed up with Opaline, Shelter, & Vapor all Allanah's party spots over the recent years. The pickup bar scene will make a man like myself, E, & Hollywood very bitter and very cold towards many of the girls and many dudes because overall we aren't like they are. There's a genuine attempt at trying to get to know someone on my behalf if I'm interested, I'm not out trying to fuck every chick that throws me a glance, believe me I have the stories and witnesses to verfiy how much sex I've turned down from Allanah's parties alone, which I'm proud of.

E you're a straight man. At the end of the day most of us are STRAIGHT men unless we say we aren't. Your sexual preference is just that: YOURS!!!!!!!!!!! No woman: GG or TS', no man: hetero or homosexual can determine what you are based on a few hours of seeing you at an event/bar/or club. Any of you men can walk away at anytime from the scene, grab a GG have some kids and move on. It's something rarely ever uttered on here, but it's a fact.

If a woman in this scene has a hard time dealing with you being in or around it you will have a tough time. It's like knowing your girl works at a strip club as a bartender or a stripper, and you're out with the fellas or at home watching ESPN while dudes and chicks are at her job trying to get in those panties. If you can deal with that thought in your head and trust your girl then you're good, if you can't it will never work. That's the pickup bar scene for guys like us. Broads that frequent them will ALWAYS have a hard time with you being around it because they don't like you seeing them possibly leave with a client, give a client a lapdance, etc.

C,mon now Johnny, you know I've made posts
way longer than that. :lol:

However, for all of your eloquence, I'm sorry, but
that dog won't hunt.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/Rover.gif

Maybe to the guys, your statements ring true, but to the
ladies, for the most part, your logic won't hold water.

If it did, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And the
ladies saying one thing and the guys saying something
totally different.

Like I always say "women are from Venus, men are from
Mars, and cock bandits want you to ask, can I put this up
Uranus".

Damn I had to work hard for that joke.

:roll:

[peggygee]

[size=24]
]

You guys, can ask each other a million times, in a million different ways.
And you can contuinue to re-affirm to one another your beliefs, but
when a women is telling you stop chasing her for her dick, you ain't
trying to hear it.

HEHE.............................my response to that

I might portray an asshole at times on HA but years before this website existed I was friends with someone who is a legend in the ballroom scene. We met on the street and I never EVER chased her or wanted her for her dick, I knew she was a transsexual and I just thought she was cute as fuck and we both got along (both Virgo's go figure). We hung out alot at her place, did the movie thing, restaurants, typical shit, we didn't date we just enjoyed each other's company. I respected her escorting thing and never questioned her on it, we had sex one time and I blew her back out, that was it. We are still friends to this day and I'd do anything for her. She lives elsewhere and whenever she calls me and tells me she's coming home to NYC we go out and have a good time, again NO SEX just a man & a woman having fun. Is she passable, yes? Would it matter? No. Why? Because I LIKE HER FOR WHO SHE IS, I LOVE HER SOUL. I love HA because I get to see people's perspectives about transgendered women which is something I never had when my close friend packed up and moved out of NYC. I was left with the pickup bar scene which I have no shame in sharing with any of you. It began with the original Edelweiss, followed by a brief horrible stint at the NowBar (which I don't totally hate because that's where I met Allanah) followed up with Opaline, Shelter, & Vapor all Allanah's party spots over the recent years. The pickup bar scene will make a man like myself, E, & Hollywood very bitter and very cold towards many of the girls and many dudes because overall we aren't like they are. There's a genuine attempt at trying to get to know someone on my behalf if I'm interested, I'm not out trying to fuck every chick that throws me a glance, believe me I have the stories and witnesses to verfiy how much sex I've turned down from Allanah's parties alone, which I'm proud of.

E you're a straight man. At the end of the day most of us are STRAIGHT men unless we say we aren't. Your sexual preference is just that: YOURS!!!!!!!!!!! No woman: GG or TS', no man: hetero or homosexual can determine what you are based on a few hours of seeing you at an event/bar/or club. Any of you men can walk away at anytime from the scene, grab a GG have some kids and move on. It's something rarely ever uttered on here, but it's a fact.

If a woman in this scene has a hard time dealing with you being in or around it you will have a tough time. It's like knowing your girl works at a strip club as a bartender or a stripper, and you're out with the fellas or at home watching ESPN while dudes and chicks are at her job trying to get in those panties. If you can deal with that thought in your head and trust your girl then you're good, if you can't it will never work. That's the pickup bar scene for guys like us. Broads that frequent them will ALWAYS have a hard time with you being around it because they don't like you seeing them possibly leave with a client, give a client a lapdance, etc.

And all jokes aside, though you may come across as a wisenheimer at
times, and that's cool because a sense of humor is a great thing.

I don't get a the sense of you being cock bandit, trannychasing, if that
was the case you wouldn't be volunteering as a moderator in your time
off from work.

Then too, you make mention of the numerous events that you attend,
and I can tell by the things you say and the expressions you use, that
you know what's up, and that you have been around the life, for quite
a while and that you are no 'accidental tourist' creeping on the wife.

Trust, game recognizes game, and Idon't get that vibe from you. :wink:

[peggygee]

I guess in the strictest sense of the word, I would probably be considered a 'trannychaser' (TC). However, I think that would apply to any guy here. If some of the guys are in LTR with a TG, granted they have more of an emotional involvement but 'technically' they are the most devout TC's. The rest us are just wannabe's :)
Perhaps there is more to the TC stereotype than I'm aware of so I don't mean offense to anyone.



I think it was the old wise sage 'Hollywoodbuckstrap' who said,
"when you are in the relationship, you are 'the husband', when
you breakup, then you are a trannychaser".

Wise words, wise, true words. :wink:

Of coure that's just one example of a TC.

[Kriss]

I just sparked a bowl and reread the thread.. I have to say. It makes less sense now..

JUST ASK YOURSELF "WHAT WOULD BOB DO?"


Unisex seems to be taking it in the right direction.

I DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD STATED A PREFERENCE IN THAT RESPECT

[Kriss]

SO IF A GUY IS STRICTLY A "TOP" THEN HE IS STRAIGHT? PERFECTLY NORMAL, AVERAGE JOE, ABSOLUTELY ZERO ISSUES ABOUT SEX, HETEROSEXUAL? BECAUSE HE IS A "TOP"? BECAUSE HE LIKES TO FUCK PEOPLE (GIRLS, PRESUMABLY) IN THE ARSE? THAT MAKES HIM STRAIGHT?

[hwbs]

its kinda like when u are with a girl all your corny jokes make her laugh....

[a994]

Its ironic for a TS to like guys that aren't "into" transsexuals...

For a guy, I suppose its similar to being attracted to a good looking lesbian who's not really into men....very hot.

I can see why girls feel that way, but I can only imagine that life could be better for them (and us) if that feeling wasn't there.


I think you answered your own query. Like it's a tremendous ego boost for a man to know that he got a lesbian to be interested in him, so I can imagine it might be the same for a t-woman to get a guy who has only dated g-women to fall for her. Of course, the problem is, as Hara and others have pointed out, she is taking a BIG chance, because if/when he does find out, he might not be all too happy about it. (Come to think about it, that in itself could be the reason some t-women want prospective dates to not know about themselves--they get off a lot more on the potential for danger than they do on the guys themselves.)

And again, t-ladies are the same as any other group--they are not monolithic in terms of their feelings and thought processes. Some t-women only define as "straight" any man who is ONLY interested in g-women and disdain t-women. On the other hand, there are t-women who have a much more liberal definition of "straight guy"--he can love performing oral sex upon her and bottoming for her (if she is a pre-op) and as long as he is not attracted to men, he is "straight." Bear in mind that her feelings on this issue have a lot more than anything else to do with how she feels about herself and her body in the first place. That is, after all, one of the ways in which t-women are just the same as g-women.

[peggygee]

I'm not sure if you ever taken up Electronics or followed Ohm's Law before. But there is a factual statement of, "Like Charges Repel, Unlike Charges attract".



I was always under the impression that ohm's law was the relationship between current, voltage and resistance... ohms = amps/volts



Please disregard as this will 'harsh your mellow'.

This has been bouncing around my head for the past 4 hours
since I read it.

I believe the principle for this is in Maxwell's equations, which
is made up of Faraday's Laws Of Induction, Gauss's law of
magnetism. and Ampere's Circuit Law.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/maxeq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations

The shit in my head.

Please resume wanking.

:roll:

[a994]

And to address your original point.

The reason why a girl doesn't want to be in a relationship
with a guy who is cock obsessessed is because for the guy,
any cock usually will suffice.

To him it's all about the sex, the next notch in the bed post, the thrill of
the hunt. How many trannies has he bagged.

He usually doesn't care about the woman, and he damned sure doesn't
care about the community she is in.

It's about dick - period.


Good point, Peggy. But can it not also be said about men with g-women, particularly when all these men care about is the sex and/or whatever female body part(s) may appeal to them? And I've known a LOT more men who are that way about g-women.

[Quickman]

It's easy to empathize with a trans woman's desire to want to feel like a woman. A guy who might be thought of as a tranny-chaser is one who fixates on a particular feature for fetish reasons, disregarding the person. In my experience, women don't like men who fixate on a particular body part. Top heavy women have been complaining about that for years so this type of thing isn't really unique to trans women.

Perhaps where it gets more complicated for trans women is because there seems to be this underlying concern that if a man is only interested in her trans-sexuality and not her uniqueness as a human-being, that:
1) He'll leave after SRS
2) He'll leave when a more passable girl comes along
3) He'll leave when a more well-endowed girl comes along
4,5,6,...) Basically, any other variation on the theme where a woman fears a man will follow his member to the whatever gets him off the most, leaving her in the dust, since he sees her as more of a masturbation toy than a person, much less a special woman.

But you know, it's *generally* easy to empathize with a guys basic desire to do what feels best. I.E. hunt the pussy|cock|ass or whatever you're into with the most vigor.

The motivation is simple: People tend do what makes him/her feel the best.

Bottom line my friend is this: If a lady is digging you, an you're hanging out at a T-Club and you know all the women all around you, she WILL make an exception. Women are like that. They'll say they're not. But they're also full of shit from time to time. So are we...

[peggygee]

I don't have a problem with dating a guy that's dated other transwomen
before. They don't ask me 50 million stupid questions about 'the life',
they didn't need on the job training, they can hit the ground running.
They can empathize with some of my concerns.

When I was pre op, the guys I ended up in LTRs with weren't into my
cock, why, maybe because I wasn't into my cock, and opposites attract.

However some of the guys that I was in LTRs with had been with other
girls, and it was nice that they had, had that experience and knew that
was something they were open to.

Now as a post op, the playing field has changed somewhat.

The cockhounds want nothing to do with me since I don't have a cock,
but the beauty part of that is I wouldn't want to be with someone who
wanted me to fuck them or who wanted to suck me off, so that works
well.

What I get now is either the guy who is familiar with the trans lifestyle,
and is open to a post op, or the hetero guy who wouldn't have wanted
to be down with me if I still had a dick.

When I meet a guy, I will ask him what has been his background in
the life, and why is he attracted to transwomen - cause I am trying
to weed out the ones that still crave dick, and that would be creeping
on me.

With the hetero guy, he knows what to do with the pussy, we just have
to make sure he isn't having transphobia.

Other than that, it's win-win for Peggy.

Sometimes. :wink:

[Dkg]

Arianna....I know that face but the name is throwing me off....

Anyways, I can see where a lot of your girls are coming from b/c frankly, I don't think I'd want somone's dick in my ass....eh, nope. :lol:

[Trans_Lover]

fags fuck trannies

[a994]

Trans_Lover, you ARE joking, right?

[Fox]

With a name like that, I'm sure he is.

Ninja Edit: Peeping Legend's thread... maybe not.^

[TJ347]

Whatsupwithat, I'd refer you to the message you gave me in the "Ladies, What Do You Consider "Gay"' thread, as this is so similar to that in most respects as to be virtually the same question.
While some dismiss this as another societal label that should be ignored, or recognize it as a variation of the "Am I Gay" question and dismiss it for that reason, the fact is that the question here is unrelated to any "Am I Gay" threads of the past, and has nothing to do with society's labels. The question here is about the labels put on men who are interested in having relationships with transsexual women by those same transsexual women, and as I've said before, I have personal experience with this issue. It's rather easy for me to ignore inaccurate societal labels in pursuit of that which pleases me (in this case, relationships with transsexual women), but when these women themselves inaccurately label me, then what have I gone to all the trouble for? The fact that there is no one answer to the question you've posed is unfortunate, but it's really the same whether you ask GGs or TGs, really. And so, at the end of the day, the only thing left to do is, as you told me, decide for yourself what you are, and go on about your business. Otherwise, you're doomed to disappointment, as trying to get a concensus from the girls on this would be like asking whether the chicken or the egg came first... pointless.

[peggygee]

Otherwise, you're doomed to disappointment, as trying to get a concensus from the girls on this would be like asking whether the chicken or the egg came first... pointless.

I think if you review the thread, and take a look at the statements
of the women who have responded, you will see there is a consensus.

I feel the question itself is indicative of that very premise.


"I only date straight" is another way for a TS to say that she only dates top guys. It doesn't really have any other hidden meaning.

[TJ347]

Otherwise, you're doomed to disappointment, as trying to get a concensus from the girls on this would be like asking whether the chicken or the egg came first... pointless.

I think if you review the thread, and take a look at the statements
of the women who have responded, you will see there is a consensus.

I feel the question itself is indicative of that very premise.

I see that the girls here seem to have a similar opinion, but the thing is
Peggy, when I asked recently what the ladies considered "gay", the answers of the women here were quite different from the answers I've received "in the field", if you will. I should have made it clear that I was talking about reaching a concensus beyond the board, as the opinions of the girls wherever it is whatsupwithat lives may well be different than those of the girls here. Where I'm at, some girls feel the way the girls responding here do, some don't. I can't imagine it'd be any different for him than it is for me.

[peggygee]

I see that the girls here seem to have a similar opinion, but the thing is
Peggy, when I asked recently what the ladies considered "gay", the answers of the women here were quite different from the answers I've received "in the field", if you will. I should have made it clear that I was talking about reaching a concensus beyond the board, as the opinions of the girls wherever it is whatsupwithat lives may well be different than those of the girls here. Where I'm at, some girls feel the way the girls responding here do, some don't. I can't imagine it'd be any different for him than it is for me.

I concur that you wouldn't find every single transwomen agreeing on all
the same things, much like you won't find all men agreeing to what it
is they are willing to do in a relationship.

There are wome who are wiling to top for money, but do not want to
top in their personal relationships. And the converse of that, without
sounding like a broken record is that a large pecentage of men that
are interested in transwomen want to be topped by these women and
that may not be something that some women are desirous of doing
in a non-monetary situation.

There are of course exceptions, and variations on the theme, there are
women that are more 'versatile' than others, but perhaps by the very
definition and act of them being 'women' they desire to be the receptive
partner.

What is interesting about the responses of the women on the board, is that
they represent many different demographics, regions, ages, race, current
gender status, and ultimate gender status, yet for the most part I perceive
that there is a consensus in their predilection.

[peggygee]

However, I don't and won't go so far as to say that all men that are
interested in transwomen are gay.

In a very strict definition they could be construed as bisexual by members
of society. I however feel that a transwomen is a female, if she
is living as one, is making efforts to transition (whether or not her goal
is SRS), and of course if she has achieved SRS.

Thus a man that is in a relationship with her, would be seen as hetero-
sexual

Where I start to question the sexuality of the male partner in the
relationship is, what is his attraction to the transwoman. If the nature
of his attraction becomes very penis-centric, then I feel that his
position on the Kinsey sexul preference scale starts to drift into a
homo-erotic zone.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/kinseyratingscale.jpg


0- Exclusively heterosexual with no homosexual
1- Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2- Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3- Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4- Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5- Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6- Exclusively homosexual

As we all know, for some men, their attraction to transwomen borders on
the strictly-dickly, we've but to read some of the words on this forum to
bear that out. Bear in mind this isn't in and of itself a bad thing, it's not
morally wrong, the person isn't evil, their worth isn't diminished one
iota.

What it does mean, that for some transwomen, this is not the ideal person
for them as a mate, and oddly and sadly often-times the very thing that
is attracting the male to the women, is the very thing that the women
may be the most uncomfortable about.

I of course realize that some of my views on this skew to the extreme,
and different women will have different degrees of angst or dysphoria, as
regards their body, but there is some degree of gender dysphoria, or the
woman would not have felt the need to transition.

[MacShreach]

I of course realize that some of my views on this skew to the extreme,


No, it's just one of those "hard facts of life" things. Your points are usual well put and sum it up, I think.

[Perverted Monk]

After reading what Allanah & Nicole wrote, it good to see that there are girls that appreciate a plain ol' top.

Go Ladies!!!

[tsntx]

what it means is generally speaking what vicki said

"only looking for a top"

looking deeper into it youll see it means a guy that treats the ts like a lady, treats just like any other gf he would have, bring around his friends, family, co-workers, public. if he doesnt then he shows he sees her as something less then the girls hes dated before her. it means he isnt all about her cock and will love her just as much w/o it as much as he would w/ it. he wouldnt leave her just bc shes going to go post/op and wouldnt leave her just bc she is staying pre/op. it means he is w/ her b/c of WHO she is and NOT for WHAT she is.
to be gay to me you have to be attracted to the male form. i dont have the body or face of a man, therefor a guy would need to be straight *ie: attracted to the female form* to be attracted to me.... having a girlfriend w/ a dick doesnt make a guy gay. having a boyfriend who wears womens clothing on the weekends does and so does being attracted to the male forms.

[vanished]

Yes but that is bizness

Personal life and Work Life are two different things for me.

It's phenomenal that a star of your stature - and some of your sisters on our site here - are so candid, so giving and honest about who you are, what you want and where you're going. It's refreshing and for those of us who listen closely, a rare insight into the people that we've only been able to admire from afar with no understanding of who these girls were and are inside. Bravo, Allanah.

[MacShreach]

it means he isnt all about her cock and will love her just as much w/o it as much as he would w/ it. he wouldnt leave her just bc shes going to go post/op and wouldnt leave her just bc she is staying pre/op. it means he is w/ her b/c of WHO she is and NOT for WHAT she is.

Maybe I didn't do enough of this before, but for that, you get

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[vanished]

it means he isnt all about her cock and will love her just as much w/o it as much as he would w/ it. he wouldnt leave her just bc shes going to go post/op and wouldnt leave her just bc she is staying pre/op. it means he is w/ her b/c of WHO she is and NOT for WHAT she is.

Maybe I didn't do enough of this before, but for that, you get

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It's about the heart - not the hard-on.

[arnie666]

hmmmm I think ill add my own spin on this....they want a guy who has never been with a ts...never looked at ts porn....especially never been to any ts bars or events...that way they control the situation...therefore there is no support system for him but the girl... I think its total bullshit cause it sounds more like they want a guy they can mold and manipulate...these labels are so funny ...

I had a girl I know casually , ask about her boyfriend...I told her I saw him hanging in VIP hanging out years back...she was gonna break up with him cause ,he wasn't totally honest about going to a club....fucking so funny cause this was years b4 they met...

oh well I date ts girls!!!!!so fucking what...I had some ts pluck me out at a ts club..then she was done with me...where did it leave me? ill tell ya , real fucking confused about my current sexuality (never saw ts porn or sites b4 this)...I never had any problems with going out in public and shit with a ts...but inside I didn't know what is going on...it wasn't till I met this wonderful person who helped me find my way and cleared the air for me..If I hadn't met her I can tell you that I def wouldn't be here today...

like I had posted in an earlier post " if she's into you . U are str8 ... when she's done with you U are a fag...well I guess im str8 enough to have a gg sleep with me, cause her boyfriend can't make her orgasm...well enough of my rants...I will be returning to my one liners..

This kind of reminds me of how some gg's act. Burd I was seeing a while back totally used to slag off her ex. couldn't get it up, ugly, loser no job crap in bed etc. But then I found out he was engaged to some right fit stripper!! :lol: :lol:He may have been a oxygen thief but he obviously wasn't shite in bed!

[tonkatoy]

This kind of reminds me of how some gg's act. Burd I was seeing a while back totally used to slag off her ex. couldn't get it up, ugly, loser no job crap in bed etc. But then I found out he was engaged to some right fit stripper!! :lol: :lol:He may have been a oxygen thief but he obviously wasn't shite in bed!how to speak limey, lesson 1

[arnie666]

This kind of reminds me of how some gg's act. Burd I was seeing a while back totally used to slag off her ex. couldn't get it up, ugly, loser no job crap in bed etc. But then I found out he was engaged to some right fit stripper!! :lol: :lol:He may have been a oxygen thief but he obviously wasn't shite in bed!how to speak limey, lesson 1

Do I have to start providing translations for you fuking septics who spell wrong. :D

This kind of reminds me of how some gg's act.Girl I was seeing a while back used to be rude about her ex . couldn't get it up, ugly,loser, no job ,crap in bed etc.But then I found out he was engaged to some beautiful stripper. :D :D .He may have been a person of such idiocy he wastes oxyben but he obviously wasn't rubbish in bed.

[Vicki Richter]

It is really like this. Almost every provider or sex performer lies just a little bit about what they like. We are in the business of fulfilling fantasies. Yes there are top girls, but most of the girls I know prefer bottoming.

I admire Allanah a lot for her honesty. That said, I can say that, off camera, I have topped men twice. Once was a professional date where we chose to have sex after dinner and the guy pooped everywhere (gross). The other was with Christian in NYC and we both had a good time. Because of my own issue with cleanliness, I am just not interesting in fucking guys - especially virgins. To me virgin screams "I want to get fucked but I have no idea how to clean myself to get fucked". In my entire life, my first time fucking a guy in the ass was Rogue Adventures #15. In my personal life, outside of oral, I am 100% bottom unless I am fucking a GG which I do from time to time. For some reason GG's never shit on me which guys do every time I do a scene with them. Every time.

When I think straight, I think of a guy who doesn't mind me having a thing, but he doesn't really want it in his mouth or ass either. My ex-boyfriend was mostly straight, but present boyfriend is by that definition completely straight. The issue is this... You guys can get cock anywhere. gay cock, bi cock, dog cock, etc etc. Someday, I won't be able to sexually please a guy into dick and he will go elsewhere... If you are into dick, it doesn't magically go away; you are stuck with it for life. That means if I am overly hormonal or contemplating SRS, I will be concerned about my guy going out and blowing guys or other TS or what not. For some reason, this concern is 100 times as strong in me than caring whether a guy I am dating fucks GG's.

I don't judge bottoms. I think it's great as is sexual diversity. People like what they like. The last guy I dated I was with for over 5 years and he loved sucking me and did every time we were together and I never minded at all. ;-)

[tonkatoy]

Personally at this point I would probably date anybody who didn't throw rocks at me. Rocks hurt. I dont care if she is ts, gg, Galgamec, or whatever. As long as she isn't a money succubus she's fine with me. Id really like to find somebody to help run the business and blah blah blah. Funny thing is, i didn't like anal with my ts gf, and i am a top, it just seems kinda gross, she was clean and all, but just not my thing I guess. Next gf will probably be gg, or maybe sheep. Sheep don't care what you like. Or maybe it will just be another rough night for the Vicki handpuppet, who knows.

[Fox]

Hm, I wonder what the chances are of finding a girl that simply doesn't give a fuck (pun absolutely intended) as long as you're faithful.


;)

[Felicia Katt]

Personally at this point I would probably date anybody who didn't throw rocks at me. Rocks hurt. I dont care if she is ts, gg, Galgamec, or whatever. As long as she isn't a money succubus she's fine with me. Id really like to find somebody to help run the business and blah blah blah. Funny thing is, i didn't like anal with my ts gf, and i am a top, it just seems kinda gross, she was clean and all, but just not my thing I guess. Next gf will probably be gg, or maybe sheep. Sheep don't care what you like. Or maybe it will just be another rough night for the Vicki handpuppet, who knows.
Typical man, doesn't care if his partner gets her rocks off LOL

meow

FK

[tonkatoy]

Personally at this point I would probably date anybody who didn't throw rocks at me. Rocks hurt. I dont care if she is ts, gg, Galgamec, or whatever. As long as she isn't a money succubus she's fine with me. Id really like to find somebody to help run the business and blah blah blah. Funny thing is, i didn't like anal with my ts gf, and i am a top, it just seems kinda gross, she was clean and all, but just not my thing I guess. Next gf will probably be gg, or maybe sheep. Sheep don't care what you like. Or maybe it will just be another rough night for the Vicki handpuppet, who knows.
Typical man, doesn't care if his partner gets her rocks off LOL

meow

FKok, ill get you some shoes, that should help.

[Lafuerza]

While there's nothing inherently wrong with having a personal preference, it is obvious that especially within the TS community a controversy will keep existing. I.e., this type of discussion will rise here from time to time (though this can be said of other subjects too, of course.).

No party in particular can be blamed for that though, as each of them has a personal for it - even if that opinion may be flawed in other people's eyes, it is still their decision to make.

But personally I believe that we would be a lot better off if we would be more open to the whole of the person rather than focusing on some aspects.

I will admit though that the world - let alone the ts community - is far from ready for that, because it requires a lot of effort and trust and it's hard to see if someone's worth all that. That's is the reason why we value some things higher than other features of person, if that suits us we might find it a reasonable gesture to deal with all the other features. For it's a man/women's wish to seek a certain degree of comfort...be it in a form of safety, pleasure or whatever.

In an ideal world we could give unknown people attention from us more credit and get a nice (maybe even longterm) experience out of it. As we all know that's not the world we live in, so we have to be more careful.

By setting a good example yourself, mankind is taking yet another small step towards that ideal (although that ideal image will never be completely perfect of course). OTOH you can always blindly or firmly go for your preference, but im not telling anyone a surprise that if everyone had that mentality, things won't turn for the better for each party.

What could help is that each party starts to respect eachother, in a way that each party wants to be respected. At least that makes us think about the way we treat others, as well our own image (do I want to be respected as a 'tranny chaser'?/Do I want to be respected as a TS, a woman or just as a person?, etc).

After doing all that 'homework' the learning part is not over, but at least we can start off at a better foot as we have developed a better level of understanding, which I think is definitely needed nowadays.

[muhmuh]

i skimmed across this thread reading the post from thos whos oppinion i care about and there was one thing i couldnt leave uncommented since i disagree with it on such a fundamental level


Please disregard as this will 'harsh your mellow'.

This has been bouncing around my head for the past 4 hours
since I read it.

I believe the principle for this is in Maxwell's equations, which
is made up of Faraday's Laws Of Induction, Gauss's law of
magnetism. and Ampere's Circuit Law.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/maxeq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations

The shit in my head.

Please resume wanking.

:roll:

its actually much more fundamental (in the sense that it was discovered earlier) and its culombs law in vectorial form
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/e/2/4/e2482f084912a0c1adfe36d9c628d53b.png
interestingly enough the direction of repulsion is positive

[goldensamba]

It is really like this. Almost every provider or sex performer lies just a little bit about what they like. We are in the business of fulfilling fantasies. Yes there are top girls, but most of the girls I know prefer bottoming.

I admire Allanah a lot for her honesty. That said, I can say that, off camera, I have topped men twice. Once was a professional date where we chose to have sex after dinner and the guy pooped everywhere (gross). The other was with Christian in NYC and we both had a good time. Because of my own issue with cleanliness, I am just not interesting in fucking guys - especially virgins. To me virgin screams "I want to get fucked but I have no idea how to clean myself to get fucked". In my entire life, my first time fucking a guy in the ass was Rogue Adventures #15. In my personal life, outside of oral, I am 100% bottom unless I am fucking a GG which I do from time to time. For some reason GG's never shit on me which guys do every time I do a scene with them. Every time.

When I think straight, I think of a guy who doesn't mind me having a thing, but he doesn't really want it in his mouth or ass either. My ex-boyfriend was mostly straight, but present boyfriend is by that definition completely straight. The issue is this... You guys can get cock anywhere. gay cock, bi cock, dog cock, etc etc. Someday, I won't be able to sexually please a guy into dick and he will go elsewhere... If you are into dick, it doesn't magically go away; you are stuck with it for life. That means if I am overly hormonal or contemplating SRS, I will be concerned about my guy going out and blowing guys or other TS or what not. For some reason, this concern is 100 times as strong in me than caring whether a guy I am dating fucks GG's.

I don't judge bottoms. I think it's great as is sexual diversity. People like what they like. The last guy I dated I was with for over 5 years and he loved sucking me and did every time we were together and I never minded at all. ;-)

If I were you I would end it right there if a guy shat on me. WTF?! Learn to get clean you dumb asses!

End of Rant

[whatsupwithat]

Once was a professional date where we chose to have sex after dinner and the guy pooped everywhere (gross). The other was with Christian in NYC and we both had a good time. Because of my own issue with cleanliness, I am just not interesting in fucking guys - especially virgins. To me virgin screams "I want to get fucked but I have no idea how to clean myself to get fucked".

threadjack/

I love reading about your issues with cleanliness because I, too, am the same. I've been scarred by some really, truly awful experiences in the past that I won't recount, but..ugh...just thinking about them makes my skin crawl. It's led to me being very, very cautious when approaching anything below the waist and above the knees as well being way overly selective with people to the point of wanting to know their daily hygiene habits. yeah, I got issues.

But the one lesson I carry with me is a girl or a guy can be dressed and done up to the nines...but this does not mean they have anything resembling good personal hygiene. In fact, those very things are many times a cover for what lies beneath...ewwww.

/threadjack over

[Quinn]

But the one lesson I carry with me is a girl or a guy can be dressed and done up to the nines...but this does not mean they have anything resembling good personal hygiene. In fact, those very things are many times a cover for what lies beneath...ewwww.

Truer words have rarely been spoken.

-Quinn

[a994]

what it means is generally speaking what vicki said

"only looking for a top"

looking deeper into it youll see it means a guy that treats the ts like a lady, treats just like any other gf he would have, bring around his friends, family, co-workers, public. if he doesnt then he shows he sees her as something less then the girls hes dated before her. it means he isnt all about her cock and will love her just as much w/o it as much as he would w/ it. he wouldnt leave her just bc shes going to go post/op and wouldnt leave her just bc she is staying pre/op. it means he is w/ her b/c of WHO she is and NOT for WHAT she is.


Thank you tsntx, peggygee, Vicki, and all of the other women who have held forth on this subject.

And tsntx, you just summed up how I am feeling about t-women--that is, the same as g-women. And before I start looking to become involved with a t-woman, I want to first make sure I have enough guts to bring her around my family (and that's something I must deal with on my own--I know I'm straight, but I must get over this "what do my relatives think" thing, and I will), beause I don't want to treat her as "my dirty little secret." That wouldn't be fair to her. Now, of course, I do have my fantasies and desires as it pertains to t-women, but at the same time I do not want to be with her ONLY because she has a working phallus. I want to know that I genuinely love her, care for her, and want to be with her even if she does want to have The Operation.

Now, as for the penis issue, I look at it like this: I also am insanely attracted to women (g- and t-) with nice breasts, nice behinds, curvaceous legs, and soft, sexy, well-cared-for feet. If the woman whom I am with does not want me to even look as those aforementioned parts of her anatomy, let alone touch or kiss them, then yes, I would be disappointed. And I hope that the woman I look for is amenable to my attractions and desires, just as I hope I am with hers. That's not my primary requirement, but if she does not wnat me to bother the parts of her body I've mentioned, then we'll have to evaluate how the rest of the relationship is going in order to decide how to handle the physical issues in a way that will be comfortable for us both. This is especially true if the rest of our relationship is fulfilling. If it's not of course, then it might be best for us both to find someone else with whom we can be happy. It's the same with a t-woman and her phallus.

Granted, finding a t-woman who enjoys my desires (and the desires of a lot of us men on this board) at least occasionally is a difficult matter, partly because of the numbers of t-women as compared to the population of g-women, and also because a lot of t-women are tired of being looked at as freaks due to their anatomical difference from g-women, and let's face it guys, some of them just don't like having penises, no matter how much we might wish it weren't so. And even most of the ones who do enjoy having fully-functional male genitalia and enjoy using them on their guys don't want to do so ALL OF THE TIME. They like to be thought of as women and treated accordingly. And I have no problem respecting that.

As an aside, the more I fantasize about my favorite t-women, the more I want to top the heck out of them as well as doing the opposite.

[a994]

I admire Allanah a lot for her honesty. That said, I can say that, off camera, I have topped men twice. Once was a professional date where we chose to have sex after dinner and the guy pooped everywhere (gross). The other was with Christian in NYC and we both had a good time. Because of my own issue with cleanliness, I am just not interesting in fucking guys - especially virgins. To me virgin screams "I want to get fucked but I have no idea how to clean myself to get fucked". In my entire life, my first time fucking a guy in the ass was Rogue Adventures #15. In my personal life, outside of oral, I am 100% bottom unless I am fucking a GG which I do from time to time. For some reason GG's never shit on me which guys do every time I do a scene with them. Every time.


Howdy Vicki, and first of all, how are you feeling?

Secondly, I wholeheartedly hear you on the cleanliness issue. After all, the woman I'm with MUST first of all maintain good daily personal hygiene habits. And then, if we were intimate together and she urinated and/or defecated in the bed or worse, on me, that would be an automatic turn-off. Next! :puke

And though I find myself wishing I were Christian on that night :wink: , I respect your feelings on topping guys and your reasons why you feel this way.




I don't judge bottoms. I think it's great as is sexual diversity. People like what they like. The last guy I dated I was with for over 5 years and he loved sucking me and did every time we were together and I never minded at all. ;-)

Now that does bring up a good question: how many t-ladies who otherwise don't top in their personal lives (for whatever reasons) do still enjoy receiving oral sex from their guys?

[BlackAdder]

"And then, if we were intimate together and she urinated and/or defecated in the bed or worse, on me, that would be an automatic turn-off.""


Alot of guys will pay extra for that.....



And Vicki said dog cock, huh huhuh heheh huh huh..

[hondarobot]

Once was a professional date where we chose to have sex after dinner and the guy pooped everywhere (gross).

I remember that story from the VR forum, back in the day. If I remember correctly the guy was described as a rich French doctor. I bet he did that on purpose as some sort of crazy kinky thing. The whole time during dinner he was probably thinking to himself:

(This is meant to be read in an outragous French accent, FYI)

"And zen weez get back to ze hotel. . .huh huh, very nice. . .and when she least expects it. . .Merde! Right on ze bed! Ho ho ho! Yessss, yessss, mon amour, mon doux, poo poo!"

Those French guys. . .you just can't count on 'em for anything.

:lol:

[muhmuh]

"And zen weez get back to ze hotel. . .huh huh, very nice. . .and when she least expects it. . .Merde! Right on ze bed! Ho ho ho! Yessss, yessss, mon amour, mon doux, poo poo!"

thats a german accent...

[werwt22]

It is really like this. Almost every provider or sex performer lies just a little bit about what they like. We are in the business of fulfilling fantasies. Yes there are top girls, but most of the girls I know prefer bottoming.

I admire Allanah a lot for her honesty. That said, I can say that, off camera, I have topped men twice. Once was a professional date where we chose to have sex after dinner and the guy pooped everywhere (gross). The other was with Christian in NYC and we both had a good time. Because of my own issue with cleanliness, I am just not interesting in fucking guys - especially virgins. To me virgin screams "I want to get fucked but I have no idea how to clean myself to get fucked". In my entire life, my first time fucking a guy in the ass was Rogue Adventures #15. In my personal life, outside of oral, I am 100% bottom unless I am fucking a GG which I do from time to time. For some reason GG's never shit on me which guys do every time I do a scene with them. Every time.

When I think straight, I think of a guy who doesn't mind me having a thing, but he doesn't really want it in his mouth or ass either. My ex-boyfriend was mostly straight, but present boyfriend is by that definition completely straight. The issue is this... You guys can get cock anywhere. gay cock, bi cock, dog cock, etc etc. Someday, I won't be able to sexually please a guy into dick and he will go elsewhere... If you are into dick, it doesn't magically go away; you are stuck with it for life. That means if I am overly hormonal or contemplating SRS, I will be concerned about my guy going out and blowing guys or other TS or what not. For some reason, this concern is 100 times as strong in me than caring whether a guy I am dating fucks GG's.

I don't judge bottoms. I think it's great as is sexual diversity. People like what they like. The last guy I dated I was with for over 5 years and he loved sucking me and did every time we were together and I never minded at all. ;-)

Ohhhh...that was a pretty interesting read. Now heres a curious question. Why does it matter whether they are into cock or pussy? Being faithful is being faithful. Your supposed to put all of those feelings aside as far as people outside of the relationship go anyway. Its not about getting sex elsewhere, but resisting temptation. Though I can understand what you mean as far as wanting a str8 man if your contemplating SRS so he can still be into you sexually after surgery. Fortunately I'm a TOP into TG and GG so I get to get the girls that like str8 men and the girls that dont care LOL. I win WOOT!!

[Vicki Richter]

I'm a pornstar and occassional escort. I don't really feel I am in a position to care whether my man is faithful right now. I just don't want a guy I am with running off to get fucked in the ass or fuck guys. Go fuck all the GG's you want.

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to demand a guy is faithful to me when I have sex with others and have no intention to stop?

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I'm a pornstar and occassional escort. I don't really feel I am in a position to care whether my man is faithful right now. I just don't want a guy I am with running off to get fucked in the ass or fuck guys. Go fuck all the GG's you want.

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to demand a guy is faithful to me when I have sex with others and have no intention to stop?

Pretty women and tgirls can have a double standards! I know I have and have known other women and tgirls doing just that before..So more power to us! Hehe.. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[a994]

I'm a pornstar and occassional escort. I don't really feel I am in a position to care whether my man is faithful right now. I just don't want a guy I am with running off to get fucked in the ass or fuck guys. Go fuck all the GG's you want.


Well Vicki, in a way your position does seem rather odd, in that you don't mind your guy doing it with as many g-women as he wants as long as he leaves other pre-op t-women (and guys for that matter) alone. I can understand that perhaps the g-women are a little bit less threatening as far as you're concerned (and is that your reason? You don't have to say if you don't want to), but the thought that comes to my mind is this: if/when you do choose to have The Operation, what if your man were to decide that no matter what your other qualities are, a surgically-made vagina is never going to be as satisfying to him as would the real thing?

This I ask out of curiosity about your views in this case, not out of criticism. I'm not trying to get you to change your mind about your current anatomy and what you choose to do with it or anything like that.

[Dengoza]

Hmmm this sounds like a great deal. You have your tgirl wife but can go cheat on her with a bunch of GG's? Hmmm, this is interesting... hahaha sounds like a pretty good arrangement!

[trannybanger]

Hmmm this sounds like a great deal. You have your tgirl wife but can go cheat on her with a bunch of GG's? Hmmm, this is interesting... hahaha sounds like a pretty good arrangement!

i wouldn't call it cheating if it is condoned.

[werwt22]

I'm a pornstar and occassional escort. I don't really feel I am in a position to care whether my man is faithful right now. I just don't want a guy I am with running off to get fucked in the ass or fuck guys. Go fuck all the GG's you want.

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to demand a guy is faithful to me when I have sex with others and have no intention to stop?

Where do I put in my application? LOL. But in all seriousness, I can understand what you mean, and I just think its your preference for the type of guys you like.

[hondarobot]

[quote=Vicki Richter]"And zen weez get back to ze hotel. . .huh huh, very nice. . .and when she least expects it. . .Merde! Right on ze bed! Ho ho ho! Yessss, yessss, mon amour, mon doux, poo poo!"

thats a german accent...

That reminds me of an old joke. . .

Actually, I just thought of a more interesting tangent to spin off into, and it's not really related to anything at all.

Many years ago, back when it was still somewhat cool for a (at the time) stoner malcontent to work at an uptown indie video store (which I was and I did), a regular customer of mine came in one night and gave me a book about magic.

The customer was an aspiring writer (aka bartender) and had a day job at a local Kinkos. Apparently someone had dropped off a lengthy manuscript for copying and it turned out to be some wacked out "Terrence McKenna type" treatise on the occult. The customer I knew made an additional copy and brought it down to the store for me to check out, because he knew I had a habit of calling bullshit on just about everything. And bullshit it was (as far as I could tell, honestly, how could a "magic book" not be bullshit?).

Anyhow, it was pretty weird. Not "satanic" sort of stuff, just rambling nonsense, random language shifts, strange I Ching type pictographs, all kinds of stuff. I had no idea what it was all about. That didn't stop me from reading through it while I smoked cigarettes behind the store counter and ignored most of the customers.

As I was doing this, an old, non-descript man came up to rent a movie. He saw what I was reading, scanned a bit of the text, and asked:

"Is that Cyrillic? I see you like languages."

I knew the term Cyrillic refered to that crazy Russian type alphabet, so I said:

"Sure looks like it to me, I haven't really figured out what the hell it is exactly."

Oddly enough, the guy thought this to mean that I was pouring over the text trying to decipher it's origin, while I was actually just completely baffled by the whole thing and really stoned. He thought I was some sort of foreign language enthusiast slacker/genius.

To make a long story short, the guy was a multi-millionaire who had pioneered an advance in cancer research. Because of that strange twist of fate, just because I was reading that kooky book at that time and that place, I ended up being employed by the guy for three years. I scored an awesome apartment, became the caretaker for several buildings in the upscale Kenwood area of south Minneapolis (Josh Hartnett is one of the neighborhoods current residents), went to parties at swanky mansions, fucked the rich guys accountant/landlord's sister, eventually lost the job, then got booted out of my cool apartment and headed downtown with my two cats stuck in a laundry basket.

It makes me wonder, what if I hadn't been reading that book at that time? Small little moments can result in interesting dynamics.

Oh, but back to the current topic, guys who want to get fucked in the ass. Well, I guess that's what they wanna do, but who cares? I really don't think I'd like being topped, myself.

The worst part would be that I'm sure ts girls would enjoy topping me so much, I'd end up having to go into hiding! I have strange sexual powers that women find arousing, regardless of the situation.

:P

(Ha! How many of you poor bastards actually read through this whole thing?)

[TJ347]

[quote=Vicki Richter]I'm a pornstar and occassional escort. I don't really feel I am in a position to care whether my man is faithful right now. I just don't want a guy I am with running off to get fucked in the ass or fuck guys. Go fuck all the GG's you want.

This is, to me, a strange, and ultimately disastrous position to take in a relationship, particularly if you have hopes of it going anywhere. It is also one of the reasons I have such deep reservations about entering into another relationship with a tgirl... It seems, from my experiences, that many girls are confused about a great number of things, making it hard to figure out, for example, how she'll interpret what you say to her, what state of mind she'll be in five minutes from now, etcetera. I know that isn't the case with all tgirls, and again I'm just speaking from my experiences. Bottom line, if a girl said to me what Vicki's saying, I wouldn't believe her, and sure as hell wouldn't act on it. How many times must a man get into the infamous "I never said that" fight with a woman before he starts to recognize the set-up?

[BeardedOne]

(Ha! How many of you poor bastards actually read through this whole thing?)

I did, fucker! You owe me a beer when I'm in Mipple City next time.

[BeardedOne]

i wouldn't call it cheating if it is condoned.

Thus is the argument of the poly. :shrug

It's not "cheating" if it's not in the rules.

[hondarobot]

(Ha! How many of you poor bastards actually read through this whole thing?)

I did, fucker! You owe me a beer when I'm in Mipple City next time.

Haha! Once again, though, a 100% true story. I've had an odd life. I bet most people here don't believe I have a ripped towel once worn by a dripping wet, mostly naked Vicki Richter.

But I do. Oh, and it's not for sale.

:P

[BeardedOne]

(Ha! How many of you poor bastards actually read through this whole thing?)

I did, fucker! You owe me a beer when I'm in Mipple City next time.

Haha! Once again, though, a 100% true story. I've had an odd life. I bet most people here don't believe I have a ripped towel once worn by a dripping wet, mostly naked Vicki Richter.

But I do. Oh, and it's not for sale.

:P

You rent it, it's more profitable that way. :wink:

[TJ347]

(Ha! How many of you poor bastards actually read through this whole thing?)

I did, fucker! You owe me a beer when I'm in Mipple City next time.

Haha! Once again, though, a 100% true story. I've had an odd life. I bet most people here don't believe I have a ripped towel once worn by a dripping wet, mostly naked Vicki Richter.

But I do. Oh, and it's not for sale.

:P

Not this story again... It never ends well when the "ripped towel" story once again rises from the ashes. :wink:

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Hmmm this sounds like a great deal. You have your tgirl wife but can go cheat on her with a bunch of GG's? Hmmm, this is interesting... hahaha sounds like a pretty good arrangement!

Hmm..Not to me! Haha Sorry Deng, that wouldnt fly. LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[Dengoza]

Yeah, I thought that was a little over the top... I didnt sign up yet. And anyways, whats the point of being in love if youre not so in love that you are looking for extracurricular activities...

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Yeah, I thought that was a little over the top... I didnt sign up yet.

I havent officially announced any positions/openings just yet. LOL


And anyways, whats the point of being in love if youre not so in love that you are looking for extracurricular activities...

Co-sign! ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[Dkg]

Hara, what's with the new pic?? I mean you're cute as usual and all but....good lord, my eyes!

:p

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Hara, what's with the new pic?? I mean you're cute as usual and all but....good lord, my eyes!

:p

LOL I just got bored with my dainty Av Dkg. LOL
I'll bring dainty back just for you. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[Dkg]

:wink: thank you beautiful
ah, there we go. Much better

[yodajazz]

I found a nice quote from a TS woman, named Angelica Love Ross:

In my transsexual teens, I believed that the only man for me was a “straight” man. I believed in order to obtain true happiness in a relationship, I’d have to make him fall in love with me first, then he’d say my being transsexual doesn’t matter to him, and we’d live happily ever after behind closed doors. If his family came to visit, I’d cleverly dodge questions about marriage and pregnancy. If his friends came over to watch the Super bowl, I’d make sure that I’d look as feminine as possible so they could never guess my dirt, even if my voice slipped into another octave. Ah, to be in love! After getting a dose of exactly what I fantasized about, I discovered how much I was downplaying myself, for another man’s image. I looked around me only to find no one who really knew me. I learned that I really didn’t love myself completely, because if I did, I would never allow anyone to make me feel I needed to dim my God given light. I vowed right then, and there, to never be anyone’s dirty little secret.

[whatsupwithat]

I found a nice quote from a TS woman, named Angelica Love Ross:

In my transsexual teens, I believed that the only man for me was a “straight” man. I believed in order to obtain true happiness in a relationship, I’d have to make him fall in love with me first, then he’d say my being transsexual doesn’t matter to him, and we’d live happily ever after behind closed doors. If his family came to visit, I’d cleverly dodge questions about marriage and pregnancy. If his friends came over to watch the Super bowl, I’d make sure that I’d look as feminine as possible so they could never guess my dirt, even if my voice slipped into another octave. Ah, to be in love! After getting a dose of exactly what I fantasized about, I discovered how much I was downplaying myself, for another man’s image. I looked around me only to find no one who really knew me. I learned that I really didn’t love myself completely, because if I did, I would never allow anyone to make me feel I needed to dim my God given light. I vowed right then, and there, to never be anyone’s dirty little secret.

yes! that's beautiful. beautiful.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

:wink: thank you beautiful
ah, there we go. Much better

You are welcome Dkg. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[Vicki Richter]

Well I am also a very demanding lover sexually. I don't think most men would have any stamina to go find many women while in a relationship with me. I prefer getting fucked at least twice a day.

But yes I totally feel that while I am escorting and having sex on camera, I cannot demand faithfulness from my partner. It's like a stripper telling her boyfriend that he can't go to strip clubs.

For those of you saying this is odd or strange, think about swingers. There are guys who are swingers who love seeing their spouse get fucked by groups of men. There are swingers who love only each other, but fuck a lot of different people. I am just saying fuck who you want, but come home to me, love only me, and give me what I need when I need it.

I don't like seeing guys take dick from guys. I feel that a lot of guys, perhaps more so on the bottom guy side, use TS as training wheels for gay sex. There are some who might settle for GG's with strap on's, but many guys will graduate to gay sex because of their pressing need for cock in their mouth and ass and the fact that TS cost too much to get it at the frequency they need. I receive 5-10 emails a week from guys professing they want to be my slave and want to be feminized to pleasure whomever I want. These guys are looking for an excuse to take cock... not just my girl cock, but any cock. This is a healthy fantasy, but it isn't what I want in a relationship.

I think most TS women (or real women) want a man who is mostly or completely "all man" from a societal norm perspective. This should be obvious, but the adult industry makes it appear otherwise. (again, I say MOST, not all).

[shotgun]

And the most unqualified poster of the day is,... me.

But here goes anyway.

I’ve never dated a t-girl much less had sex with one. This is for several reasons which, I hope by the end of this post, will have something to do with the topic.

First off, I don’t really meet all that many (that I am aware of). I don’t live in Manhatten or frequent any place where t-girls tend to congregate.

Of the few that I have met, there have been some issues. First off, as a couple of the ladies replied, they are in the sex business. I wouldn’t date anyone in the sex business whether she was GG ( a term I just figured out from the context about 15 minutes ago ) or Ts, or Martian. I have this weird hangup about my woman fucking other people. I don’t know what percentage of Ts woman are into that sort of thing, but it does weigh on my mind

Another thing I have noticed is the distinct lack of Ts girls who wear sneakers and T-shirts. I’m a simple meat-and-potatoes kind of guy. When I say “Hey, you wanna go catch a movie?” I prefer not to wait 4 hours for her to get ready. I looked at some of the pictures of girls from the “Tranny Tuesdays” posts and man,... they look mighty nice. But this is how I’m used to seeing T-girls dress, and it all looks very high maintenance. If someone were to come to my apartment looking like that, the neighbors would think I called an escort service.

The other thing is this whole “community”. I just don’t feel the need to support or be involved in much outside of the well being of my family and loved ones. I figure as long as I’m not bashing anyone or getting down on them, I don’t owe anyone. After all, we would never have needed a civil rights movement if there was no prejudice in the first place. I don’t understand all of this terminology and don’t know why I would have to. Every relationship is going to have it’s problems, no matter what kind of relationship it is. God knows I’ve been through my fair share of nonsense with so called “normal” women. Is it not enough to like the person that I am with and just care about what she wants personally? Must I also have some intimate knowledge of the community she is in and all of it’s idiosyncracies? A community is after all - other people- and I’m of the mind that other people have nothing to do with my personal relationships. The highs and lows of my relationships are between me and her.

Now, as far as Ts women looking for straight guys or “tops” (another term I learned today) From my perspective it makes perfect sense. I don’t like men. I’m a guy, and I’m straight. My brain is wired in such a way that I like women. There’s no changing that, I am what I am. This applies to more than just the way someone looks, although, looks are important in that regard. Women walk a ceratin way, talk a certain way, and think a certain way. I am attracted not only to the curves of a woman’s body, but to the feminine nature of her mind. So, if what I have read through a lot of these boards is right,.. Ts women have brains that are wired as women. Naturally then, many would be looking for a man who walks, talks, and thinks like a man. Not that gay men aren’t men, just that a Ts may very well have the mindset of a straight woman, and straight men do not act the same way as gay men.

Everyone seems to be hung up on the word preference. I don’t think that’s the issue. If you are gay, you’re gay. It’s not like you flipped a coin and chose it. It’s who you are. A ts woman who feels as a straight woman is no different. We do not choose what we are. The most we can do is be the best of who we are.

Sorry this was so long.

[peggygee]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/flame5x4.jpg

This thread ties with Ladies, What Do You Consider "Gay"? (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=20038)

[mbf]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/flame5x4.jpg

This thread ties with Ladies, What Do You Consider "Gay"? (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=20038)

wow, now even you peggygee ! have fallen victim of the new HA-trend of resurrecting (relatively) dromant threads!

well, i ve been guitly of that myself so :P

[Trogdor]

Just take it in stride and eventually someone will come around to appreciate you.

If I would be given a dollar each time I heard someone say that, especially from girls, I'd have an entire army of gold robots by now. :P

[Trogdor]

Well I am also a very demanding lover sexually. I don't think most men would have any stamina to go find many women while in a relationship with me. I prefer getting fucked at least twice a day.


:shock:

~Butt-head voice~ I love you....uh huh huh huh....uh...huh huh huh.

[surfcat69]

I think most of us guys that like TS girls enjoy that they or are turned on by the fact they have a dick. If you don't like dick, you would want a genetic woman--stop kidding yourselfs. A guy has to pretty dumb not to know he is dating a TS. Props to all of you beautiful TS girls.

[mbf]

ok here we go

this is a statement as well as a confession rolled into one.

first the confession part: I initially got interested in TS because of my sexual preference. I like anal-sex, on the active part (a "bunghole-buddy" - prpbably as bad as the "cock-bandit"...). with natural born women its very often a hassle to knock on her backdoor.

but, beeing a good boy (or trying to appear as one) I did my homework, and since I ve been always into outsiders of our beloved "mainstream" culture, that was another factor i steered towards the "T-community" (whatever that is....but i know it exists).yes, i am aware that there are many TS that want to blend in with mainstream. kudos to them. but the mainstream can live without me very well...

but my affection with the t-realm has nothing to do with sympathy, or fantasy. its what i learned to enjoy and like, with all its downsides and sources of enjoyment. and heck, i like those contradictions that come with it.

and I realized that is what i like. call it "the life" ....

I know where you are coing from Whatsupwithat. if you are candid with the fact you like TS, you are easily labelled "chaser", even if you - which i am sure are sincere as it can get - but i am so damn sure as well the girls KNOW that you arent one of the creepy chaser types. for a sincere guy the ladies hearts are BIG, BIG, BIG.

as for the sex-part:
I have been intimate with two TS so far, and in both cases i never touched their plumbing. Oral was me diving into her backdoor toungue-wise. I dont state that to appear "better" than others who are versatile or bottoms. thats just my preference and experience.

as for my current status:
i recently moved to a rural area and left big city life behind me. so, the "scene" is no option for me any longer.

I would not be reluctant to tell a TS that ive been with some before. why shouldnt I - if she asks. I assume that if more guys would cut the crap and dump the "dirty little secret" thing, be out and about with TS without shame, yeah that would be great. I am afraid it wont happen too soon tho. It takes sacrifice for anybody involved within the "community" but its worth it.

you dont have to be an activist to support "the community" (as diverse as it is, yet there IS a common ground) you can achieve this simply by standing up for your girls. you dont have to scream it into anybodys face, just pls dont deny what you like.

If youre a NoBullshitGuy, youll get no Bullshit from others....

[62des]

Why should it be anyone elses business? Why cast that burden upon ourselves? I don't see the need to do it openly unless you're in a relationship. Its no different to me than a guy being open to everybody about details about his sex life. Some things are meant to be kept private. Just like one-night-stands with women.

[Deepdarkfucker]

I love women who only date straight..it's the only ones I like

[dj4monie]

ok here we go

this is a statement as well as a confession rolled into one.

first the confession part: I initially got interested in TS because of my sexual preference. I like anal-sex, on the active part (a "bunghole-buddy" - prpbably as bad as the "cock-bandit"...). with natural born women its very often a hassle to knock on her backdoor.

but, beeing a good boy (or trying to appear as one) I did my homework, and since I ve been always into outsiders of our beloved "mainstream" culture, that was another factor i steered towards the "T-community" (whatever that is....but i know it exists).yes, i am aware that there are many TS that want to blend in with mainstream. kudos to them. but the mainstream can live without me very well...

but my affection with the t-realm has nothing to do with sympathy, or fantasy. its what i learned to enjoy and like, with all its downsides and sources of enjoyment. and heck, i like those contradictions that come with it.

and I realized that is what i like. call it "the life" ....

I know where you are coing from Whatsupwithat. if you are candid with the fact you like TS, you are easily labelled "chaser", even if you - which i am sure are sincere as it can get - but i am so damn sure as well the girls KNOW that you arent one of the creepy chaser types. for a sincere guy the ladies hearts are BIG, BIG, BIG.

as for the sex-part:
I have been intimate with two TS so far, and in both cases i never touched their plumbing. Oral was me diving into her backdoor toungue-wise. I dont state that to appear "better" than others who are versatile or bottoms. thats just my preference and experience.

as for my current status:
i recently moved to a rural area and left big city life behind me. so, the "scene" is no option for me any longer.

I would not be reluctant to tell a TS that ive been with some before. why shouldnt I - if she asks. I assume that if more guys would cut the crap and dump the "dirty little secret" thing, be out and about with TS without shame, yeah that would be great. I am afraid it wont happen too soon tho. It takes sacrifice for anybody involved within the "community" but its worth it.

you dont have to be an activist to support "the community" (as diverse as it is, yet there IS a common ground) you can achieve this simply by standing up for your girls. you dont have to scream it into anybodys face, just pls dont deny what you like.

If youre a NoBullshitGuy, youll get no Bullshit from others....

We have something in common...

My number one reason for wanting to be involved with a TS is I am a lover of anal sex and getting it from GG's is like pulling teeth.

I'm not looking for some T girl to drill me in the backdoor, that's off limits, I am not DOWN for that one bit.

Oral I look at it as well: I eat pussy, so what's the difference???

I don't want to get deeply involved in "the life" its just not me, but where else am I suppose to meet these women???

Personal Sites are way too hit and miss, so like with anything you have to attack from all directions, I'm just not focusing on it.

Its just nice to see I'm not alone out here.....

[BrendaQG]

I haven't read all of this. But I will do my best to explain the reasoning.

A transsexual, even if they currently have no desier for SRS knows it is always possible they will change their mind. Anyone who is really honest with themselves recognizes this.

Say they are with a man who is only into "chicks-with-dicks", they get all involved with him, date him, or even marry/domestic partner with him.... What happens if she decides latter on to have SRS? The man will leave her.

Argue all you want but I have heard the stories of that happening enough times to know how that works.

So most of us protect our emotions by only getting invested in men who will love us for WHO WE ARE. Get it? We are who we are regardless of whatever apendages we have.

I personally have not heard of a TS who found a man who loved her for who she was who knew she was a transsexual from the start. Every married TS I know of who is married to a man hid the fact she was TS from him for some time.

Understand?