I'm Sorry If I Offend Anyone By Asking This

[Chase]

But do the trangendered consider themselves female or a gay male ? I don't mean to offend but this is something I'm curious about.

[TsVanessa69]

Female, gay men are just that, men who are attracted to men, a transexual is a female mentally and to a certan extent anatomically, just with male genitials. We are woman, point blank, no just because you have a dick that doesn't make you a man, in our case it makes an enpowered woman! 8)

[MrsKellyPierce]

But do the trangendered consider themselves female or a gay male ? I don't mean to offend but this is something I'm curious about.

Transsexualism is a condition in which a person identifies as the gender opposite to the one assigned at birth.

So you don't get confused

Cross-dressing is the act of wearing clothing commonly associated with another gender within a particular society. Typically straight males.

Transvestite is the act of getting off by wearing the oppisite sex clothes. Also typically straight males.


Drag queens are performers—often, though not exclusively, gay men or transgender people—who dress in "drag," clothing associated with the female gender ( drag king women who perform in males' clothing), often exaggerating certain characteristics for comic, dramatic or satirical effect. The term "drag queen" usually refers to people who dress in drag for the purpose of performing, whether singing or lip-syncing, dancing, participating in events such as gay pride parades, drag pageants, or at venues such as cabarets and discotheques.

[Chase]

I just find I am exremely turned on by shemales but not turned on by males whatsoever. So what does that make me ?

[ottorocket]

Ghey!

[Chase]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ???

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Otto is just playin with ya Chase! LOL

Otto you're soo bad..:lol:

~Kisses.

HTG

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ??? No you are just naive.

[ottorocket]

Completely! GHEY! ::falsetto voice::

[MrsKellyPierce]

Completely! GHEY! ::falsetto voice:: :lol:

[Chase]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ??? No you are just naive.

How so and please believe me, I'm not trying to belittle or trivialize anyone here. I just want to understand why I am so attracted to them.

[ottorocket]

im in that kinda mood tonight Hara...:P

[SkyTwo]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ???

Well, apparently not. You're.... uhhh... 'ghey.' Which has something to do with Alaskan-farmed salmon. I think.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ??? No you are just naive.

How so and please believe me, I'm not trying to belittle or trivialize anyone here. I just want to understand why I am so attracted to them. You are attracted to the female body and face correct?

Or does it mainly have to do with the penis?

[TsVanessa69]

I just find I am exremely turned on by shemales but not turned on by males whatsoever. So what does that make me ? A guy who likes a woman with options :P

[Chase]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ??? No you are just naive.

How so and please believe me, I'm not trying to belittle or trivialize anyone here. I just want to understand why I am so attracted to them. You are attracted to the female body and face correct?

Or does it mainly have to do with the penis?

Female body and face and there seem to be a lot of attractive shemales in that respect.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

im in that kinda mood tonight Hara...:P

haha..I could tell. You need some spankings Otto! LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ??? No you are just naive.

How so and please believe me, I'm not trying to belittle or trivialize anyone here. I just want to understand why I am so attracted to them. You are attracted to the female body and face correct?

Or does it mainly have to do with the penis?

Female body and face and there seem to be a lot of attractive shemales in that respect. Well GAY MEN like MEN the Physical Attributes of a man. Hard bodies or hairy bodies and manly faces. So no sweety I wouldn't consider you gay. I would consider you a man that is attracted to a beautiful woman. Just like Vanessa said "With Options"

[ottorocket]

im in that kinda mood tonight Hara...:P

haha..I could tell. You need some spankings Otto! LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG


Spankings would just be the opener...lol I think i could use a dom tonight and a couple shots of my fav Tequila.. :P

[ottorocket]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ??? No you are just naive.

How so and please believe me, I'm not trying to belittle or trivialize anyone here. I just want to understand why I am so attracted to them. You are attracted to the female body and face correct?

Or does it mainly have to do with the penis?

Female body and face and there seem to be a lot of attractive shemales in that respect. Well GAY MEN like MEN the Physical Attributes of a man. Hard bodies or hairy bodies and manly faces. So no sweety I wouldn't consider you gay. I would consider you a man that is attracted to a beautiful woman. Just like Vanessa said "With Options"


All this code languange..."with options"...lol Just say "a cock"! heh ANd hopefully of decent size... :shock:

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ??? No you are just naive.

How so and please believe me, I'm not trying to belittle or trivialize anyone here. I just want to understand why I am so attracted to them. You are attracted to the female body and face correct?

Or does it mainly have to do with the penis?

Female body and face and there seem to be a lot of attractive shemales in that respect. Well GAY MEN like MEN the Physical Attributes of a man. Hard bodies or hairy bodies and manly faces. So no sweety I wouldn't consider you gay. I would consider you a man that is attracted to a beautiful woman. Just like Vanessa said "With Options"


All this code languange..."with options"...lol Just say "a cock"! heh ANd hopefully of decent size... :shock: Otto you are a dirty boy.

[TsVanessa69]

I just realize that I am a transexual drag-queen!

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

im in that kinda mood tonight Hara...:P

haha..I could tell. You need some spankings Otto! LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG


Spankings would just be the opener...lol I think i could use a dom tonight and a couple shots of my fav Tequila.. :P

LOL You'll need those shots before I give you some mean spankings, before I straddle your face and commence my best prostrate massages cum deepthroat (done both at the same time!) LOL :P

~Kisses.

HTG

[TsVanessa69]

All this code languange..."with options"...lol Just say "a cock"! heh ANd hopefully of decent size... :shock:[/quote]
I was tring to be politically correct, ok I am a well hung doll.

[ottorocket]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ??? No you are just naive.

How so and please believe me, I'm not trying to belittle or trivialize anyone here. I just want to understand why I am so attracted to them. You are attracted to the female body and face correct?

Or does it mainly have to do with the penis?

Female body and face and there seem to be a lot of attractive shemales in that respect. Well GAY MEN like MEN the Physical Attributes of a man. Hard bodies or hairy bodies and manly faces. So no sweety I wouldn't consider you gay. I would consider you a man that is attracted to a beautiful woman. Just like Vanessa said "With Options"


All this code languange..."with options"...lol Just say "a cock"! heh ANd hopefully of decent size... :shock: Otto you are a dirty boy.

Moi? mais oui, je suis tres filtheeeeeee! haha

[ottorocket]

im in that kinda mood tonight Hara...:P

haha..I could tell. You need some spankings Otto! LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG


Spankings would just be the opener...lol I think i could use a dom tonight and a couple shots of my fav Tequila.. :P

LOL You'll need those shots before I give you some mean spankings, before I straddle your face and commence my best prostrate massages cum deepthroat (done both at the same time!) LOL :P

~Kisses.

HTG


::GULP:: :lol:

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ??? No you are just naive.

How so and please believe me, I'm not trying to belittle or trivialize anyone here. I just want to understand why I am so attracted to them. You are attracted to the female body and face correct?

Or does it mainly have to do with the penis?

Female body and face and there seem to be a lot of attractive shemales in that respect. Well GAY MEN like MEN the Physical Attributes of a man. Hard bodies or hairy bodies and manly faces. So no sweety I wouldn't consider you gay. I would consider you a man that is attracted to a beautiful woman. Just like Vanessa said "With Options"


All this code languange..."with options"...lol Just say "a cock"! heh ANd hopefully of decent size... :shock: Otto you are a dirty boy.

Moi? mais oui, je suis tres filtheeeeeee! haha Je sais que vous êtes un garçon très sale, et des thats comment je l'aime. Le moment prochain plus difficile ! lmao

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

im in that kinda mood tonight Hara...:P

haha..I could tell. You need some spankings Otto! LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG


Spankings would just be the opener...lol I think i could use a dom tonight and a couple shots of my fav Tequila.. :P

LOL You'll need those shots before I give you some mean spankings, before I straddle your face and commence my best prostrate massages cum deepthroat (done both at the same time!) LOL :P

~Kisses.

HTG


::GULP:: :lol:

GULP?!? What's that? LOL

;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[Jennifer_English]

Hi Chase :O)

I think i'm a bit different than most in this respect as I consider myself neiter male, female or gay...and am happy and proud of what I am (Whatever 'they' wanna label me as)

I am ME :O)

Transsexualism IMHO is a construct of life created by society... a paradox which would not exist if people could just be what they wanted to be (and look like) without everyone eles's pre-set rules about what a man or woman should be/look like/dress like...

As a result I REFUSE to be put into some box for people to describe....

I am not gay, I am not a man AND I and NOT or EVER will be a woman.......

Like I said... I am ME

take it or leave it.... but thats the deal..... make any sense?

Jennifer

xx

[NYTSJulie]

I am a woman, do all trannys think they are I dont know?

[Jennifer_English]

I really don't want to rile you...

But u aint...

AND you never will be..... Is that so bad ?? Your special!!!!

jenn xx

[NYTSJulie]

I really don't want to rile you...

But u aint...

AND you never will be..... Is that so bad ?? Your special!!!!

jenn xx

Why because I wasn't born with a twat mean I am a gay man, lol? I woman with a birth defect, what do you consider yourself?

[TJ347]

Hi Chase :O)

I think i'm a bit different than most in this respect as I consider myself neiter male, female or gay...and am happy and proud of what I am (Whatever 'they' wanna label me as)

I am ME :O)

Transsexualism IMHO is a construct of life created by society... a paradox which would not exist if people could just be what they wanted to be (and look like) without everyone eles's pre-set rules about what a man or woman should be/look like/dress like...

As a result I REFUSE to be put into some box for people to describe....

I am not gay, I am not a man AND I and NOT or EVER will be a woman.......

Like I said... I am ME

take it or leave it.... but thats the deal..... make any sense?

Jennifer

xx

I posted something about this earlier on in this thread, but decided to delete it, but I know where you are coming from Jennifer.

A very interesting position... I've certainly never heard that one before.

[Jennifer_English]

I guess i'm coming from the stand-point where I think ANY TS that says ''im a woman'' is kidding herself...

Sorry, I dont want to offend anyone..... guess i'm a realist.....

I've ALLWAYS felt like a girl.... since I was very young...

BUT

ANY TS that says '' im a woman'' to me is like..... WTF>>>??

your NOT

you NEVER will be

BE REAL

you may feel like one, get operations (as i intend to)to look more like one... but ure not and NEVER will be... your a transsexual woman....

be proud.... I personally LOVE being TS and always tell anyone i meet that comes onto me.... not cause i dont want trouble... cause im PROUD...and honest....

just wish more TS were and felt the same instead of fitting into 'society'

[Jennifer_English]

Sorry no offence meant Julie or any others...


xxx

[TJ347]

I guess i'm coming from the stand-point where I think ANY TS that says ''im a woman'' is kidding herself...

Sorry, I dont want to offend anyone..... guess i'm a realist.....

I've ALLWAYS felt like a girl.... since I was very young...

BUT

ANY TS that says '' im a woman'' to me is like..... WTF>>>??

your NOT

you NEVER will be

BE REAL

you may feel like one, get operations (as i intend to)to look more like one... but ure not and NEVER will be... your a transsexual woman....

be proud.... I personally LOVE being TS and always tell anyone i meet that comes onto me.... not cause i dont want trouble... cause im PROUD...and honest....

just wish more TS were and felt the same instead of fitting into 'society'

Hmmm... That is certainly logical. Of course, most tgirls want to be considered women, but I'm sure there must be others who feels as you do. So, do you not want the SRS so many others want?

[NYTSJulie]

I guess i'm coming from the stand-point where I think ANY TS that says ''im a woman'' is kidding herself...

Sorry, I dont want to offend anyone..... guess i'm a realist.....

I've ALLWAYS felt like a girl.... since I was very young...

BUT

ANY TS that says '' im a woman'' to me is like..... WTF>>>??

your NOT

you NEVER will be

BE REAL

you may feel like one, get operations (as i intend to)to look more like one... but ure not and NEVER will be... your a transsexual woman....

be proud.... I personally LOVE being TS and always tell anyone i meet that comes onto me.... not cause i dont want trouble... cause im PROUD...and honest....

just wish more TS were and felt the same instead of fitting into 'society'

Thanks for saying "no offence", and none taken. I like other peoples thoughts and I am glad they are not all the same as mine, lol.

Can I ask, how long have you been full-time. I have for almost 10 yrs. My stand point was like yours at one time "I am happy being me, a TS". Over time my stance has changed.

[Jennifer_English]

I most definately want SRS hunni.. but not till I've raped the admirer scene for all its worth!!!

;o)

xx

[NYTSJulie]

I most definately want SRS hunni.. but not till I've raped the admirer scene for all its worth!!!

;o)

xx

LOL CO-SIGNED TO THAT

[Jennifer_English]

Thanks for saying "no offence", and none taken. I like other peoples thoughts and I am glad they are not all the same as mine, lol.

Can I ask, how long have you been full-time. I have for almost 10 yrs. My stand point was like yours at one time "I am happy being me, a TS". Over time my stance has changed.

I've been FT for about 5yrs Julie... and i will admit that my stance has changed a lot in that time....

I guess my main reason for feelin like this is because I know so many TS that are 'stealth' as its called....... and live lives totally as GG's

My problem with that is basically one of having a 'big' secret for 25 yrs that persecuted me inside for fear of anyone discovering and finally dealing with it... THEN having to have ANOTHER secret for the rest of my life.... bugger that!!!

Rather be proud of who and (Whatever there crappy word is) I am...

Don't get me wrong, I dont shout about it...... I am just honest....

Jenn xx

[TJ347]

I most definately want SRS hunni.. but not till I've raped the admirer scene for all its worth!!!

;o)

xx

What I struggle to understand (among many other things to be sure) is this: If you want an SRS, either to complete your transition or... whatever other reason you might have that I can't think of, then wouldn't existing in a sort of "in-between" state (for lack of a better word) until that time be more or less a living hell? I mean, you have an "appendage" that you don't want, but which you display, and perhaps frequently use if you escort, that stands in stark contrast to what you would like to have in its place... It's difficult for me to see how a TG can enjoy topping and having her dick sucked, yet also want SRS so badly... Could somebody explain that to me?

[NYTSJulie]

Thanks for saying "no offence", and none taken. I like other peoples thoughts and I am glad they are not all the same as mine, lol.

Can I ask, how long have you been full-time. I have for almost 10 yrs. My stand point was like yours at one time "I am happy being me, a TS". Over time my stance has changed.

I've been FT for about 5yrs Julie... and i will admit that my stance has changed a lot in that time....

I guess my main reason for feelin like this is because I know so many TS that are 'stealth' as its called....... and live lives totally as GG's

My problem with that is basically one of having a 'big' secret for 25 yrs that persecuted me inside for fear of anyone discovering and finally dealing with it... THEN having to have ANOTHER secret for the rest of my life.... bugger that!!!

Rather be proud of who and (Whatever there crappy word is) I am...

Don't get me wrong, I dont shout about it...... I am just honest....

Jenn xx

Well now a days its too hard to go stealth.

I had friend who wrote a book about when she was stealth, Leslie Townsend "Hidden in Plain Sight". We are not friends anymore, she is a little too crazy for me.

I dont think stealth is the answer. I think she went crazy from it, she did away with everyone from her past and lived a life of a lie for as many yrs.

If I were to say I am a transsexual and be proud of that it still doesn't take away the fact that i am a woman.

Say they prove 100 percent that it is a birth defect and you were meant to be born female, would you think differently?

[Jennifer_English]

simple....

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$

[drock]

I just realize that I am a transexual drag-queen!

Whatever you wanna call yourself Vanessa69, it doesn't matter to me baby because i'd still hit that... 8)

[TJ347]

simple....

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$

Okay. I mean... Never mind. Just "okay". If I should re-word my question a different way, this'll all go to shit real fast. So I'll just keep it moving... :?

[Jennifer_English]

Well now a days its too hard to go stealth.

I had friend who wrote a book about when she was stealth, Leslie Townsend "Hidden in Plain Sight". We are not friends anymore, she is a little too crazy for me.

I dont think stealth is the answer. I think she went crazy from it, she did away with everyone from her past and lived a life of a lie for as many yrs.

If I were to say I am a transsexual and be proud of that it still doesn't take away the fact that i am a woman.

Say they prove 100 percent that it is a birth defect and you were meant to be born female, would you think differently?

Well to be honest I pretty much have faith in the ''two surges of hormones from your mother that determine what you are'' theory... if that makes any sense.....

So... YES i believe YOU and ME were MEANT to be women.... BUT WHATEVER we do to look like them the fact remains YOU were born a MAN.....

I hate the fact myself, believe me I would LOVE to be GG BUT i'm NOT ...

we may get away with it, live fullfilling lives as women..and do very well, as i'm sure you both do as do i... but we're NOT... perhaps a moot point... but a fact...

sorry hun... I'm just a very factual person xx

[NYTSJulie]

I most definately want SRS hunni.. but not till I've raped the admirer scene for all its worth!!!

;o)

xx

What I struggle to understand (among many other things to be sure) is this: If you want an SRS, either to complete your transition or... whatever other reason you might have that I can't think of, then wouldn't existing in a sort of "in-between" state (for lack of a better word) until that time be more or less a living hell? I mean, you have an "appendage" that you don't want, but which you display, and perhaps frequently use if you escort, that stands in stark contrast to what you would like to have in its place... It's difficult for me to see how a TG can enjoy topping and having her dick sucked, yet also want SRS so badly... Could somebody explain that to me?

I want SRS to ice the cake, the end all, then go off and leave the TS life and world far behind. But until then I like my cock and like getting please from it. I think the ones that say "I hate my cock" are trying to convey something they think the should feel.

[Kabuki]

I just realize that I am a transexual drag-queen!

Whatever you wanna call yourself Vanessa69, it doesn't matter to me baby because i'd still hit that... 8)

I think she wants more than someone to hit it. She wants to be loved for who she is, and she doesn't want to be someones dirty secret. Show her off. Treat her like a lady. That's what she wants.

[Jennifer_English]

I think she wants more than someone to hit it. She wants to be loved for who she is, and she doesn't want to be someones dirty secret. Show her off. Treat her like a lady. That's what she wants.

You a nice man...... wishing there were more with your way of thinking... xxx

Peace xxx

[Kabuki]

I think she wants more than someone to hit it. She wants to be loved for who she is, and she doesn't want to be someones dirty secret. Show her off. Treat her like a lady. That's what she wants.

You a nice man...... wishing there were more with your way of thinking... xxx

Peace xxx

It's all about respect. I hope I'll be able to treat a TG right one day. I want to prove that there are some good men out there. Not just the users and abusers.

[NYTSJulie]

I still consider myself a woman, its ok to disagree I guess, lol.

[Jennifer_English]

I still consider myself a woman, its ok to disagree I guess, lol.

:smoking

Whatever helps you, or whoever have a happy life Julie..... all good with me...

xx

[yodajazz]

I am a person who views the terms ‘man’ and ‘woman’ as more social constructs than anything else. Are you playing the role of an adult male or female? In the case of ‘men’, he could be an adult with children, but still not be a man. If he is not acknowledging his children and trying to be some kind of parent, then he is not a man, he is a male who fathered offspring. I am a man. I present myself in society as a man and am accepted in that role. My genitals have a very small part in determining who I am in society. My gonads and other internal sex stuff have an even smaller role. Before I had children, I was still providing the social role of an uncle.

I think the social trend of the future is to have less importance on genitals and more importance on social functioning has the definition of man and woman.

It really comes down to; you are who you say you are, male, female, or other. It is a stronger case if you have people that agree with you. Everyone in the world does not have to agree. In my case, not everyone in my family considers me to be a ‘real man’, but I must define for myself, who I am.

[MacShreach]

et des thats

Des thats? C'est quoi, un that?

[MrSecretAgent]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ??? No you are just naive.

How so and please believe me, I'm not trying to belittle or trivialize anyone here. I just want to understand why I am so attracted to them. You are attracted to the female body and face correct?

Or does it mainly have to do with the penis?

Female body and face and there seem to be a lot of attractive shemales in that respect.

I'm also mainly attracted to the female body and face - however there is something about the cock that turns me on - otherwise I would just stick to genetic girls.

Like others have pointed out - I don't think you label that as being gay because we are not attracted to male looks - and I suppose you are attracted to genetic girls too (a gay guy wouldn't be into genetic girls at all).

On the other hand defining yourself as being straight wouldn't cover it either - simply because a truely straight guy wouldn't like the cock. If you want a label to put on yourself then my guess would be that there's a bisexual side to you (and me).

I don't have a need to put a label on my self as being either straight, bisexual or gay.

[Azanti]

I hate labels, as long as your happy, thats the main thing.

[JANIRA]

I WAS BORN A WOMAN, BUT GOD JUST SUPER SIZED ME TO A COMBO MEAL..... ENJOY!

[Jennifer_English]

I hate labels, as long as your happy, thats the main thing.

:claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps

[peggygee]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ???

Well let's do the math.

Dick in mouth + dick in ass = Gay

Possibly bisexual with a penis fetish.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/toocomplicate-1.jpg

As to the rest of the thread;

I am a woman.

I am a Black woman.

I am a post operative transwoman.

But I am not now, never have been, nor ever will be a shemale.

Welcome to HA. :wink:

[lisaparadise]

But do the trangendered consider themselves female or a gay male ? I don't mean to offend but this is something I'm curious about. i consider myself a trans because its impossable for any trans to be a girl no matter what they look like or how many surguries we have we will always be trans with or without our mrs.wigglys and we should be very proud to be trans after all thats what makes us very special in every way.

[LTR_Seeker]

Youre not gay for liking women & since women here are women mentally then your attracted to their feminine looks like i am i neber think of whats down below .

[MacShreach]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ???

Well let's do the math.

Dick in mouth + dick in ass = Gay

<snip>

Yup








But I am not now, never have been, nor ever will be a shemale.

Welcome to HA. :wink:

Yup too.

[Kriss]

I most definately want SRS hunni.. but not till I've raped the admirer scene for all its worth!!!;o)xx

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[TsVanessa69]

I just realize that I am a transexual drag-queen!

Whatever you wanna call yourself Vanessa69, it doesn't matter to me baby because i'd still hit that... 8)

I think she wants more than someone to hit it. She wants to be loved for who she is, and she doesn't want to be someones dirty secret. Show her off. Treat her like a lady. That's what she wants.
Very true, that whole "I jus wanna hit it" spells out T-R-I-C-K to me. Wanna know something else, I don't want a guy to treat me as a transexual, or a shemale, its horrible, I just want a guy who is man enough to treat me as a WOMAN, because thats what I am, a woman, a transwoman if you just have to put a label on it, but none the less a WOMAN! :twisted:

[whatsupwithat]

I most definately want SRS hunni.. but not till I've raped the admirer scene for all its worth!!!

;o)

xx

There are some of us on this board, myself included, who don't consider ourselves "admirers" or "chasers", it's our sexuality. But feel free to spit on men who like you for who you are. Thanks! :)

[TsVanessa69]

Hmmm... That is certainly logical. Of course, most tgirls want to be considered women, but I'm sure there must be others who feels as you do. So, do you not want the SRS so many others want?[/quote]
I would never want an SRS, it would serve no purpose, it will never work, and I see no reason to have one. I know too many post op's and its true, they don't work.
1. you will never give birth to a child, the whole reason for the vagina is to reproduce.
2. You will never naturally lubircate, you will always need KY next to the bed
3. You will never have an orgasm again, as all the nerves are cut in the process of making said hole in your body.
Now I for one love to cum, so that turned me off, and since a post op could never get pregnant and have children, why mutalite my body for no reason. Post op transexuals are still clockable in everyday life, just seem so ridiculous when you here a post op fire back " Oh I have a pussy", no you don't dear, you have a hole between your legs. I for me can say I am transitioned. I am comfortable and happy that I have reached the stage in MY life where I want to be. I am all the woman I want to be. I guess the best of both worlds, I have a lovely body, no beard, have had a little plactic surgery, (OK, maybe 1 more nose job)and a nice size working functional cock, but thats just me and how I feel. Now lets move on

[crayons]

So I'm gay ???

[b]Well let's do the math.

Dick in mouth + dick in ass = Gay

Possibly bisexual with a penis fetish.



Co-sign.

[hwbs]

if a guy is gay for sucking or fucking a tranny , then the people who do the opposite are just as gay...i believe its more of putting someone down cause they dont like it...


people love to label and you wont get it from me...a little less TMI is all i am asking :twisted:

[peggygee]

Hmmm... That is certainly logical. Of course, most tgirls want to be considered women, but I'm sure there must be others who feels as you do. So, do you not want the SRS so many others want?



I would never want an SRS, it would serve no purpose, it will never work, and I see no reason to have one. I know too many post op's and its true, they don't work.
1. you will never give birth to a child, the whole reason for the vagina is to reproduce.
2. You will never naturally lubircate, you will always need KY next to the bed
3. You will never have an orgasm again, as all the nerves are cut in the process of making said hole in your body.
Now I for one love to cum, so that turned me off, and since a post op could never get pregnant and have children, why mutalite my body for no reason. Post op transexuals are still clockable in everyday life, just seem so ridiculous when you here a post op fire back " Oh I have a pussy", no you don't dear, you have a hole between your legs. I for me can say I am transitioned. I am comfortable and happy that I have reached the stage in MY life where I want to be. I am all the woman I want to be. I guess the best of both worlds, I have a lovely body, no beard, have had a little plactic surgery, (OK, maybe 1 more nose job)and a nice size working functional cock, but thats just me and how I feel. Now lets move on

This addresses the lubrication issue, I will have further
follow-up later,

Sigmoid colon SRS technique;

Advantages:
1. Self-lubricated
2. Early sexual intercourse.
3. Very long length of vagina can accommodate penis to 8 – 10
inches.
4. Very rarely contracted or stenosed if very well cares.


http://www.femistent.com/pages/understanding-your-condition/vaginoplasty-srs-grs.html

http://www.doctorsaran.com/procedure.php?cat_id=3&procedure_id=24

http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/surgeryTS.htm

Additionally, the Cowpers gland, which is part of the prostate gland
continues to secrete fluids, and may aid in vaginal lubrication of the post
op, as it is not routinely remove in SRS surgery.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/cowpers-1.gif

The Cowper's gland also known the bulbourethral glands are
compound glands, each approximately the size of a pea.

During sexual arousal each gland produces a clear, viscous
secretion known as pre-ejaculate or pre-cum. This fluid helps
to lubricate the urethra for sperm to pass through, and
to help flush out any residual urine or foreign matter

[peggygee]

And to spice it up so that folks won't get bored and feel
as if they're in Summer school for Biology 701, or A & P 903
(Anatomy and Physiology to the non nerd types) here's a
liitle anecdotal sharing;

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/Icamecrop3x2.jpg

If you know me, you know there isn't going to be a simple answer. :smh

And I will have to get back to you on the statistical averages for post op
women.

But I can attempt to give you the answer, but as per my usual, it's
complicated.

If I am masturbating I may have either a vaginal or clitoral orgasm.
What's the difference you ask?

The difference between a "clitoral" and a "vaginal" orgasm is where
you are being stimulated to achieve orgasm, not where you feel
the orgasm..

Thus if I or someone else is fucking me vaginally, without much clitoral
stimulation I may come that way.

If while I am fucking, or if oral sex is being performed on me and
attention is being paid to my clitoris I may reach orgasm that way.

Also something interesting that happens to me is that I tend to have a
fairly high number of wet dreams, and may have an orgasm while I am
sleeping. Pre and post op I have had nocturnal emissions.

Additionally if properly stimulated I may be able to have a second or
third orgasm, in a fairly short period of time, though the latter ones will
not be as strong as the first one.

As with many women I am far more apt to come via masturbation, as I
know what gets me off. Though if my partner knows my body, and he's a
'man with a slow hand' he will be able to bring me to orgasm.

Do I have orgasm every time I have sex?

No.

I would say about %85 - %90 through masturbation, and perhaps
%60 - %70 with a partner, though the average improves as my partner
knows my needs. Time of day, if I am fatiqued, etc, are also variables.

Though %99.9 of the times, the journey is as great as the destination.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ??? No you are just naive.

How so and please believe me, I'm not trying to belittle or trivialize anyone here. I just want to understand why I am so attracted to them. You are attracted to the female body and face correct?

Or does it mainly have to do with the penis?

Female body and face and there seem to be a lot of attractive shemales in that respect.

I'm also mainly attracted to the female body and face - however there is something about the cock that turns me on - otherwise I would just stick to genetic girls.

Like others have pointed out - I don't think you label that as being gay because we are not attracted to male looks - and I suppose you are attracted to genetic girls too (a gay guy wouldn't be into genetic girls at all).

On the other hand defining yourself as being straight wouldn't cover it either - simply because a truely straight guy wouldn't like the cock. If you want a label to put on yourself then my guess would be that there's a bisexual side to you (and me).

I don't have a need to put a label on my self as being either straight, bisexual or gay. I don't like putting lables on it either, because I feel people get offended both transexuals and men. However my opinion has always been you have to be open-minded enough with your sexuality to have sex or date a transexual. You can call it bisexual if you want to put a label on it, but I just feel you have to have an open enough mind if you are "straight"

[Kriss]

3. You will never have an orgasm again, as all the nerves are cut in the process of making said hole in your body.

I DONT THINK THIS STAEMENT IS TRUE


2. You will never naturally lubircate, you will always need KY next to the bed

Just like using lube for anal then, no better, no worse

[peggygee]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/girl_jump4x2.jpg


IPOWA is the acronym for the International Post
Operative Womens Association.

Our mission statement:

Mission:
The primary objective of the International Post
Operative Women Association (IPOWA)
is education and advocacy on issues related
to post operative transgendered women.

Specifically:
Providing information to the general public, government
entities, academia, and our members at large.

Said information shall consist of, but not be limited to issues
of Law, Employment, Health, and Technology.

We will coordinate effective and efficient strategies, and
policies through continuity, communication, and collaboration.

Finally, IPOWA will never remain mute, to statements that are
libelous, slanderous, or derogatory in nature, that are made to,
or about women in general, and, transgendered and post
operative women specifically.

[MacShreach]

3. You will never have an orgasm again

I DONT THINK THIS STAEMENT IS TRUE


And you would be right, as I have confirmed by independent and original field research. 8)

[MacShreach]

(Anatomy and Physiology to the non nerd types

You know I could tell you some stories about A&P classes......Dang not in public tho' but lets just say being a horny young male in a class otherwise full of student nurses is......fun.

OT Nother great avatar pic Peggy-- who does these? You with a remote or do you have a tame photog?

[peggygee]

On the SRS issue, we shall re-visit it in another thread.

To utilize one of my favorite 'Yogisms' "It ain't over till it's
over.

But I hate jacking threads, and also would hate for such useful
information to get lost in the ether.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/perfect_tatoocrop4x6.jpg

[peggygee]

(Anatomy and Physiology to the non nerd types

You know I could tell you some stories about A&P classes......Dang not in public tho' but lets just say being a horny young male in a class otherwise full of student nurses is......fun.

OT Nother great avatar pic Peggy-- who does these? You with a remote or do you have a tame photog?

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/scotland4.gif

Yeah, A&P as well as all learning in general can be stimulating,
throw in some young nurses and I'm sure it's sensory overload :wink:

On the pics;

My Dad, thought he wa Gordon Parks Jr. And from my Father I picked
up the love of photography, it's one of my hobbies, so some of the
photos are shot by me.

Others have been done by some shutter bug friends of mine.

[johnnyshemalelover]

Ghey!

So I'm gay ??? No you are just naive.

How so and please believe me, I'm not trying to belittle or trivialize anyone here. I just want to understand why I am so attracted to them.

I haven't read through all the responses, but on the first two pages all I saw in reply to your soul-searching were responses which didn't offer any help that I could see.

Here's the deal, Chase. You're not trying to figure out what you are. What you're really doing is looking for a label to apply to yourself. I'm not sure why you're doing this, but you sound a little unsure of yourself and maybe that's the reason.

Rest assured, this feeling of confusion is completely normal. You are bound to experience confusion over your sexuality and your identity at times. Almost everyone does, at one time or another.

Forget about trying to figure out how to describe yourself. No one fits neatly into any group, and when we try to do that, it's usually out of a lack of confidence or a feeling of aloneness or isolation.

My advice, for what it's worth, is to relax and enjoy yourself. You'll go through phases in your life in which you are sexually attracted to different things in people. Now you're apparently feeling attraction for t-girls. This attraction may pass after a few months or years, or it may stay with you for life--but you will find new attractions as well.

There are no words to define what you are, what anyone is, because we change and grow constantly. Labels can have usefulness for certain things, but not when you're looking for a label to define your sense of who you are. Instead of worrying about why you are or where you fit in, concentrate on being true to yourself. Practice being true to yourself. You'll get better and better at this with practice.

Once you practice being true to yourself long enough, it'll all become crystal clear--and you won't feel any need to define yourself because you'll realize that you are, rather than you are "this" or you are "that."

I hope this helps. Have fun. :D

[johnnyshemalelover]

Hi Chase :O)

I think i'm a bit different than most in this respect as I consider myself neiter male, female or gay...and am happy and proud of what I am (Whatever 'they' wanna label me as)

I am ME :O)

Transsexualism IMHO is a construct of life created by society... a paradox which would not exist if people could just be what they wanted to be (and look like) without everyone eles's pre-set rules about what a man or woman should be/look like/dress like...

As a result I REFUSE to be put into some box for people to describe....

I am not gay, I am not a man AND I and NOT or EVER will be a woman.......

Like I said... I am ME

take it or leave it.... but thats the deal..... make any sense?

Jennifer

xx


Hey Jennifer? I love you.

[TJ347]

Hey Jennifer? I love you.

Hard not to, ain't it? :D

[whatsupwithat]

I haven't read through all the responses, but on the first two pages all I saw in reply to your soul-searching were responses which didn't offer any help that I could see.

Here's the deal, Chase. You're not trying to figure out what you are. What you're really doing is looking for a label to apply to yourself. I'm not sure why you're doing this, but you sound a little unsure of yourself and maybe that's the reason.

Rest assured, this feeling of confusion is completely normal. You are bound to experience confusion over your sexuality and your identity at times. Almost everyone does, at one time or another.

Forget about trying to figure out how to describe yourself. No one fits neatly into any group, and when we try to do that, it's usually out of a lack of confidence or a feeling of aloneness or isolation.

My advice, for what it's worth, is to relax and enjoy yourself. You'll go through phases in your life in which you are sexually attracted to different things in people. Now you're apparently feeling attraction for t-girls. This attraction may pass after a few months or years, or it may stay with you for life--but you will find new attractions as well.

There are no words to define what you are, what anyone is, because we change and grow constantly. Labels can have usefulness for certain things, but not when you're looking for a label to define your sense of who you are. Instead of worrying about why you are or where you fit in, concentrate on being true to yourself. Practice being true to yourself. You'll get better and better at this with practice.

Once you practice being true to yourself long enough, it'll all become crystal clear--and you won't feel any need to define yourself because you'll realize that you are, rather than you are "this" or you are "that."

I hope this helps. Have fun. :D

beautiful response.

i think we need to put a sticky at the top with all the well written responses to the "am i gay" threads and their various offshoots.

[johnnyshemalelover]

Post deleted by johnny on account of being written with my head up my ass

[johnnyshemalelover]

whatsupwithat:

Thanks!!

[TJ347]

Jennifer, don't you realize you're doing to her what you say that society is doing? You're imposing your own labels on someone else. That's not being a realist, it's being a dictator. I take it you have some experience with people not accepting you for who you are? If so, then why haven't you learned to except others for who they are? YOUR definition of what a woman is isn't the ONLY definition of the word.

You're free to judge another as "kidding herself" of course, but that's YOUR judgment, and a critical one at that. Expressing such a criticism is poor manners. That's all my opinion, of course.

All I would say in response to this is that it should be obvious by now to all of us that just because a person experiences discrimination doesn't mean that they will feel any obligation to themselves abstain from discriminating against someone else. Note, I don't find Jennifer's opinion on this issue a "critical judgement" nor the way in which it was expressed "poor manners", and do not mean my previous statement to be taken as a comment about her or her position. I believe Jennifer's opinion is what it is, her opinion, which she is entitled to, be it popular here or not. Not every TG female is going to feel like she is a genetic female just because she has SRS, Jennifer being proof. However, since she is stating her opinion, she should not be attacked as being rude or dismissive of the way other girls feel about themselves, or how they view themselves. Jennifer English speaks for Jennifer English alone, and has at no time that I have ever seen made any attempt to do anything otherwise.

[johnnyshemalelover]

My intent was not to attack Jennifer or make her feel bad. Thanks to your response, I realize that my response to her was horribly written and could easily be taken as an attack, so I've deleted it. Now if she hasn't read it, she'll never have to. :D

[Jennifer_English]

in retrospect one or two of my postings in this thread do seem even to me to be a little hot headed and they were totally not ment that way.....

Guess its just something I feel strong about and perhaps my wording could have been better chosen!!

I also agree that perhaps it sounds like I was giving her yet another label (my version?) doing to her exactly what I said that society is doing?

I was wrong.

It was just my view on where I stand.... in hindsight it is wrong for me to (seemingly) force my beliefs on other people...

Heck the only thing that needs labels in this world is clothes.... :O)

And whatsupwiththat.... I think you took what I said a bit too literally.... I was merely saying I want SRS just not till I've made enough out of my current situation to survive afterwards....

Men that like people like me make my life worth living - I most deffinately wouldn't spit on them... less there was no lube ;o)

Jenn xx

p.s. Good morning all :O) xx

[johnnyshemalelover]

in retrospect one or two of my postings in this thread do seem even to me to be a little hot headed and they were totally not ment that way.....

Guess its just something I feel strong about and perhaps my wording could have been better chosen!!

I also agree that perhaps it sounds like I was giving her yet another label (my version?) doing to her exactly what I said that society is doing?

I was wrong.

It was just my view on where I stand.... in hindsight it is wrong for me to (seemingly) force my beliefs on other people...

Heck the only thing that needs labels in this world is clothes.... :O)

And whatsupwiththat.... I think you took what I said a bit too literally.... I was merely saying I want SRS just not till I've made enough out of my current situation to survive afterwards....

Men that like people like me make my life worth living - I most deffinately wouldn't spit on them... less there was no lube ;o)

Jenn xx

p.s. Good morning all :O) xx

Thank you, Jennifer... And I REALLY apologize for my post. I totally misread what you were saying, and by doing so I found a sore spot I didn't know I had--and took it out on you. :oops:

Your graciousness and kindness are truely epic. Like TJ347 said, how could anyone not love you? :D

[arnie666]

Personally I don't see how you can be Gay if you appreciate the female form but just like the idea of her having a big meaty pork sword to ply with. :lol:

If being able to spend the night with say 'vicki Richter' meant I is Gay well bugger me I couldn't care if I was the biggest shirtlifter in a forty mile radius.

[Jennifer_English]

Johnny.... thx baby xx


If being able to spend the night with say 'vicki Richter' meant I is Gay well bugger me I couldn't care if I was the biggest shirtlifter in a forty mile radius.

LMAO - agreed

x

[johnnyshemalelover]

Personally I don't see how you can be Gay if you appreciate the female form but just like the idea of her having a big meaty pork sword to ply with. :lol:

If being able to spend the night with say 'vicki Richter' meant I is Gay well bugger me I couldn't care if I was the biggest shirtlifter in a forty mile radius.

What's a shirtlifter? From the context it looks to mean gay but I don't get what lifting shirts has to do with being gay?

[arnie666]

Personally I don't see how you can be Gay if you appreciate the female form but just like the idea of her having a big meaty pork sword to ply with. :lol:

If being able to spend the night with say 'vicki Richter' meant I is Gay well bugger me I couldn't care if I was the biggest shirtlifter in a forty mile radius.

What's a shirtlifter? From the context it looks to mean gay but I don't get what lifting shirts has to do with being gay?

Me neither .... just what they call gays round my way. If anyone knows I'd interested to know too.

[Kriss]

Personally I don't see how you can be Gay if you appreciate the female form but just like the idea of her having a big meaty pork sword to ply with. :lol:

If being able to spend the night with say 'vicki Richter' meant I is Gay well bugger me I couldn't care if I was the biggest shirtlifter in a forty mile radius.

What's a shirtlifter? From the context it looks to mean gay but I don't get what lifting shirts has to do with being gay?

Me neither .... just what they call gays round my way. If anyone knows I'd interested to know too.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[MacShreach]

bugger me <snip> the biggest shirtlifter in a forty mile radius.

So which bit of this is it these guys are pretending not to understand?

Oh well. From the action of a man lifting the tail of his shirt to allow his anus to be penetrated, therefore, a gay.

cf knob jockey, pole rider, etc

[johnnyshemalelover]

bugger me <snip> the biggest shirtlifter in a forty mile radius.

So which bit of this is it these guys are pretending not to understand?

Oh well. From the action of a man lifting the tail of his shirt to allow his anus to be penetrated, therefore, a gay.

cf knob jockey, pole rider, etc

LOL thank you. Now it makes sense... sort of. Do people really wear shirts with tails that long? I guess it makes sense if you wear your pants relatively low, you don't want the shirt coming out and exposing your cheeks at the wrong moment.

[MacShreach]

Do people really wear shirts with tails that long? I guess it makes sense if you wear your pants relatively low, you don't want the shirt coming out and exposing your cheeks at the wrong moment.

I think the expression was born in an era where gentlemen wore shirts that covered their buttocks, weskits, and suspenders for their socks.......

[johnnyshemalelover]

You mean people don't wear sock suspenders anymore? Nuts, no wonder people look at me funny when I'm at the beach.

[BuuBear]

Way to go!

I like your attitude.



and to the rest...

I'm bi. not greedy just bi. I love the female form. and women, and I like dick! nugh said!