Reasons why Tgirls become escorts?

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Let's count the ways. So I'll start:

1. Fed up being used by guys for sex i.e. they dont call you after they got what they wanted.
2. Tired being "Kept" as someone's dirty little secret i.e. Wont go out with you in public etc.
3. Being taken for granted once in a relationship.
4. Not being taken seriously.
5. To finance and effective transition.

Pls. Add yours as to WHY you think girls become escorts. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[TheOne1]

to make their family proud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoD1xkV2_-s

[MrsKellyPierce]

to make their family proud :lol: :lol:

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

to make their family proud

LOL Oh the SARCASM! :lol:

~Kisses.

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[suckseed]

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[Dengoza]

Hmmm maybe some girls like the idea of the "easy" money and maybe its harder for ts to get hired or fit in at so called normal job places. Also some girls I think continue doing it because they get a lifestyle of living in hotels and having cash and drugs etc.. Even though they may dream of a different lifestyle they become addicted to they bizz. And lets face it, the girls just want to make their Mothers and Fathers proud!!!

[peggygee]

Money clearly is a motivator for sex work, I would dare-say the
number one reason.

Yet if you were to ask a number of sex workers, you might hear from
them that some enjoy the sexual aspect of their work. Some may
say that they enjoy the thrill and excitement of it.

Also some women may have their self-esteem bolstered by the attention
that it garners them. Some women may measure their worth by their
number of sexual conquests, much as men are prone to do.

This is particularly evident with t-girls who may be new to the life. In
their previous existence as males, they may have led fairly innocous
lifes. They may have just been an average guy to whom no one
really paid much attention to.

Now that she has transitoned and men are paying her compliments,
telling her how 'real' she is, and that no one would have ever thought
she was once a male. and perhaps monetary rewards. With this
adulation her ego may became inflated with each new notch in her bed post.

Thus sex work may not be just about feeding the pocket book, but it
may feed the ego as well.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Money clearly is a motivator for sex work, I would dare-say the
number one reason.

Yet if you were to ask a number of sex workers, you might hear from
them that some enjoy the sexual aspect of their work. Some may
say that they enjoy the thrill and excitement of it.

Also some women may have their self-esteem bolstered by the attention
that it garners them. Some women may measure their worth by their
number of sexual conquests, much as men are prone to do.

This is particularly evident with t-girls who may be new to the life. In
their previous existence as males, they may have led fairly innocous
lifes. They may have just been an average guy to whom no one
really paid much attention to.

Now that she has transitoned and men are paying her compliments,
telling her how 'real' she is, and that no one would have ever thought
she was once a male. and perhaps monetary rewards. With this
adulation her ego may became inflated with each new notch in her bed post.

Thus sex work may not be just about feeding the pocket book, but it
may feed the ego as well.

Hail Queen Peggy! Another great post girlie. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[iloveshemales77]

...Now that she has transitoned and men are paying her compliments,
telling her how 'real' she is, and that no one would have ever thought
she was once a male. and perhaps monetary rewards. With this
adulation her ego may became inflated with each new notch in her bed post.

Thus sex work may not be just about feeding the pocket book, but it
may feed the ego as well.

bump

[peggygee]

...Now that she has transitoned and men are paying her compliments,
telling her how 'real' she is, and that no one would have ever thought
she was once a male. and perhaps monetary rewards. With this
adulation her ego may became inflated with each new notch in her bed post.

Thus sex work may not be just about feeding the pocket book, but it
may feed the ego as well.

bump

Can I quote my self for truth?

Cause when them young trannies get their heads on 'swoll', it ain't
no kinda pretty.

They think they're fish. Popping Midol and shit. :lol:

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/tampon.jpg

Dizzy heifers.

You're not 'ovah' Miss Thang.

'Miss Realness" http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/logo_fem_200.gif

:roll:

[peggygee]

Hail Queen Peggy! Another great post girlie. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

Thanks girl, some of the 'young children' work
my last good nerve.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/nerves14x7.jpg

[peggygee]

Hmmm maybe some girls like the idea of the "easy" money and maybe its harder for ts to get hired or fit in at so called normal job places. Also some girls I think continue doing it because they get a lifestyle of living in hotels and having cash and drugs etc.. Even though they may dream of a different lifestyle they become addicted to they bizz. And lets face it, the girls just want to make their Mothers and Fathers proud!!!

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/needajob.jpg

Transfriendly Job Listings


http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=16294&highlight=employment

[tsmandy]

I'm not sure that Trans women work in the sex industry for reasons that are substantively different than other women. Perhaps many of us do it with the goal of SRS in mind, but that one unique quality could be said regardless of occupation. So aside from SRS do any of these reasons differ from other sex workers?

I know for me, that sex work has many pro's and cons.

I have ADHD and it has always made working "normal jobs" challenging. I work best when I'm invested and interested in what I'm doing. Before I transistioned I was working in a very challenging, politically charged, collective environment. That all unraveled when I started to transition, but it wasn't just because I was transitioning. For a long time (from 16-23) I was in deep denial about still living with ADD. I think I used my transition as a way to block out other ways I felt alienated from society, and traditional ideas about work.

Working as an independent escort has allowed me to put as much effort into building satisfied clientèle and having a sustainable income as I like. Nobody is going to fire me: not for being trans, not for being queer, and not for spacing out. If I want to make a boatload of money, I can. If I want to live on little and work less I can.

I've met some really amazing people here in Portland, and there exists a strangely caring and cohesive family of "providers" and "hobbyists". Many of the other women I know have similar issues with working "normal jobs".

I've met some really cool guys. I like to feel good. The vast majority of the men I've seen have really tried to make me feel good. I'm a big fan of continuing the idea of sexual revolution. And it is nice to offer guys a glimpse into a world where desire and pleasure are good and healthy, which is often not the case.

I really wish that whores were sacred and respected. I think it a true poverty that pleasure is criminalized while violence is sanctified. Um... I mean, if it wasn't for laws that I didn't agree with I would happily whore until a ripe old age.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Hmmm maybe some girls like the idea of the "easy" money and maybe its harder for ts to get hired or fit in at so called normal job places.

I have a normal job..actually I've had quite a few normal jobs since graduating from college. ;) It's challenging at first applying and selling yourself for the job vacancy/ies prospective employers have. But from experience, I personally didnt find it all that hard. One must really just go at it (If they seek normal employment)! I'd like to prove alot of people wrong sometimes. :P

~Kisses.

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[JANIRA]

When i used to work at a realtors office i was very comfortable in the enviroment , acttually i really enjoyed it . My reason fo going back to "escorting " was i basiclly didnt make enough to cover my monthly bills,.. so i went back to escorting. I do it of course becouse the money.. but who dosnt work just for the sake of "money" That the reason we all work, to make ends meet and etc,,. I do enjoy escorting at times when the guys are enjoyable, and friendlly.. and without attitudes. But like any job you have your days were they arent as good as the other ones . I have been asked by many young begining transexuals, how did i get were im at how did i make my money etc.,,, i was completelly honest, i told them idid it by escorting, but that its not easy... you will deal with men who are amazinglly sweet, as to some who are utterly rude. I told them its not for everyone,, you have to be ready , aware, and thick skinned to deal when situtaions that may not be so pleseant. I ve known t girls who gave it a try and ran for their lives. Its not easy,, but it is a ride !

[moose146]

surely for the money to assist with there transistion

[crayons]

Easy money. When you say assist for the transition you make it sound like it's the only way one can make money for a transition. The key word here is easy!

[whatsupwithat]

...Now that she has transitoned and men are paying her compliments,
telling her how 'real' she is, and that no one would have ever thought
she was once a male. and perhaps monetary rewards. With this
adulation her ego may became inflated with each new notch in her bed post.

Thus sex work may not be just about feeding the pocket book, but it
may feed the ego as well.

bump

Can I quote my self for truth?

Cause when them young trannies get their heads on 'swoll', it ain't
no kinda pretty.

They think they're fish. Popping Midol and shit. :lol:

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/tampon.jpg

Dizzy heifers.

You're not 'ovah' Miss Thang.

'Miss Realness" http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/logo_fem_200.gif

:roll:

A-fucking-men. Pun intended. :)

[Cyclops]

the transition costs a lot of $$$

working an everyday job ,say as a receptionist or a bank teller or a secretary isn't going to provide the amounts of $$$ that is needed

and is it "easy money" when they have to deal with some of the people that they have to deal with

there is risk involved with escorting too ,when you hook up with someone that you never met before you never know what could happen

[crayons]

the transition costs a lot of $$$

working an everyday job ,say as a receptionist or a bank teller or a secretary isn't going to provide the amounts of $$$ that is needed

and is it "easy money" when they have to deal with some of the people that they have to deal with

there is risk involved with escorting too ,when you hook up with someone that you never met before you never know what could happen

The risk you speak of is known as occupational hazard. Sure there is risk involved, but to minimize this risk most of the girls ask for a certain *amount of roses* to filter out the weirdos. The reason I said easy is because being an escort isn't exactly anything that requires any amount of talent. As another girl pointed out in another thread, all you need to be is female and your pretty much.... done!

[whatsupwithat]

As an addendum, I 100% understand why some girls go into escorting.

I also 100% believe that there are girls out there that are escorting and doing porn, girls that are brilliant, beautiful, and with incredible souls that could be doing a whole hell of a lot more with their lives as entrepreneurs, leaders, performers, executives. rights advocates...you name it. Not every girl, but whole heck of a lot of them that I've met.

So, I'm torn. I see Hara's points very clearly and they're true, very true. I also know that it's going to take a few of the girls out there, some of them on this very board, to make a change in their lives, to use the talents and intelligence they were born with, to really make a difference. They will have to step up and show the younger generation and all the rest of the girls how it's done, to show that escorting and porn are not the be all and end all...that there's greater things one can achieve.

[whatsupwithat]

Hmmm maybe some girls like the idea of the "easy" money and maybe its harder for ts to get hired or fit in at so called normal job places.

I have a normal job..actually I've had quite a few normal jobs since graduating from college. ;) It's challenging at first applying and selling yourself for the job vacancy/ies prospective employers have. But from experience, I personally didnt find it all that hard. One must really just go at it (If they seek normal employment)! I'd like to prove alot of people wrong sometimes. :P

~Kisses.

HTG

yeah, girl. just yeah!

[MrSecretAgent]

the transition costs a lot of $$$

working an everyday job ,say as a receptionist or a bank teller or a secretary isn't going to provide the amounts of $$$ that is needed

and is it "easy money" when they have to deal with some of the people that they have to deal with

there is risk involved with escorting too ,when you hook up with someone that you never met before you never know what could happen

I agree with you 100% - it may seem like easy money - but there's no doubt that there's a significant risk of getting mental issues that you might have to live with for the rest of your life.

for instance a quick search in pubmed on prostitution and PTSD reveals that a significant percentage of the prostitutes in these studies can be diagnosed as having PTSD!

This is also the reason why I haven't paid for sex in my life or ever will. I wouldn't be able to live with the knowledge that I might have been contributing to some mental problems she might have down the road.

[JANIRA]

the transition costs a lot of $$$

working an everyday job ,say as a receptionist or a bank teller or a secretary isn't going to provide the amounts of $$$ that is needed

and is it "easy money" when they have to deal with some of the people that they have to deal with

there is risk involved with escorting too ,when you hook up with someone that you never met before you never know what could happen Very well put, its not easy. What they probley mean is that its the easiest way to make what others may not in 1 shot. But even with that it s not easy! Sure sometimes a man may come who is plesant. But W e still have to deal with the others who may not be . Like i said in my previous post,, i been on both ends , i done th e office job for 7 months and after doing that i realized the fact is as ( I) am concerned it it not enough for me to live in and pay my school, and make basic ends meet. So that is why i went back to ecortting.

[whatsupwithat]

two things that should also be discussed and that play a significant role in my views:


1.

National HIV Prevention Conference
Atlanta, Georgia - Jun 12-15, 2005

STD/HIV TRANSMISSION ISSUES
AMONG TRANSGENDER COMMERCIAL SEX WORKERS


ISSUE: HIV/STD transmission issues within the TG (transgender) community are misunderstood not only by the general population but by the transgender individual themselves. HIV/STD’s are also increasing at an alarming rate within the TG community.

SETTING: HIV/STD transmission routes unique to the TG individual, issues in testing and receiving care, psychosocial issues of risk taking behavior.

IMPLICATIONS: The Transgender community is a largely diverse group. Within the TG community are particular sub-groups that are more at risk than others. MTF (male to female transgender) sex workers have high rates of HIV infection, with overall rates of 35% in San Francisco in 1997 and 22% in Los Angeles in 1998. A study of MTF sex workers in Atlanta found that 68% tested positive for HIV. Infections among MTFs continue to rise, with an estimated rate of new infections of 3-8% per year. Injection drug use is also visible among MTFs, again putting them at high risk for HIV. In a San Francisco study, 18% of the respondents reported non-hormonal injection drug use in the past six months and half of this group shared syringes. MTFs may inject female hormones in order to feminize their bodies, putting them again at increased risk. Transphobia, or the pervasive social stigmatization of MTFs, greatly exacerbates their HIV risk. This intense stigmatization results in their social marginalization, which includes the denial of educational, employment and housing opportunities. It also creates multiple barriers to accessing health care. Such marginalization lowers MTFs’ self esteem, increases the likelihood of survival sex work and lessens the likelihood of safer sex practices. All of this can lead to high rates of HIV, STDs, drug use and attempted suicide. Pre-GRS (genital reassignment surgery) MTFs primarily have sex with men and are likely to engage in receptive anal sex, which puts them at increased risk. Some MTF commercial sex workers are willing to not use condoms with their paying partners if they are offered more money however, some studies show that most unprotected sex occurs with primary partners, not paying partners. Psychosocial factors such as poverty, low self-esteem, depression, rejection, and powerlessness are cited by many MTFs as barriers to sexual and drug risk reduction. For example, many MTFs state that they engage in unprotected sex because it validates their female gender identity and boosts their self-esteem. Commercial sex is largely a means of survival. For many MTFs, securing employment and housing are more pressing issues than HIV and must be addressed before HIV prevention efforts can be effective. Many trans-gender individuals do not access HIV prevention or health services due to the insensitivity of service providers and health care staff or fear of being revealed as transgender.

Special thanks to: Transgender Advisory Committee to the AIDS Office and the San Francisco Department of Public Health, AIDS Office Kristen Clements, Kerrily Kitano, and Willy Wilkinson San Francisco County Jail (San Bruno), Tenderloin AIDS Resource Center, Tom Waddell Clinic And the Center for AIDS Prevention Studies at the University of California San Francisco.

Copyright notice: The National HIV Prevention Conference is collaborative effort by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a U.S. Government agency, and other governmental and non-government organizations. All abstracts published by the conference organizers are in the public domain and can be used without permission. Proper citation, however, is required.



2.

Men 'rather die' than admit gay affairs

By Katelyn Jenn

April 17, 2007
Article from: AAP


AN Australian survey shows married men who have sex with other men would rather commit suicide than risk admitting it and losing their families.
But trying to protect their family could do much more harm, with sexually transmitted disease quickly passed on through a lack of caution.

A University of Sydney study surveyed 240 men who had at any stage been in a heterosexual marriage or de facto relationship while having sexual relations with men.

The participants, recruited through the internet or "sex on'' venues like saunas, all lived in western Sydney.

The results showed that more than half of the men's female partners were not aware of their sexual activities, and that most of the men had married because they wanted a family, heterosexual "normalisation'' and believed their sexual feelings for men would eventually go away.
"A lot of men will commit suicide because they don't see any other way out,'' researcher Jeff Hudson said.

"Instead of hurting their wives or damaging their marriage or ending up with nothing, they would rather kill themselves.

"They can't see exposure to their wives as being a solution because they don't want to hurt their wives, they want to protect their wives.''

But Mr Hudson said not telling at least their doctors could do a lot more harm than good to their wives, whom almost 50 per cent of those surveyed claimed to love.

[JANIRA]

ITS REALLY ALARMING. I JUST CANT GET IT THROUGH MY MIND NOR BELIVE THERE ARE T -GIRLS ESCORTS OUT THERE PUTTING THEM SELVES IN THIS HORRIFYING SITUATION BY PERFORMING UNSAFE SEX FOR MORE $$$$ NOT TO MENTION THE INSANE SICK MEN WHO OFFER THIS,, WOW,, I CANT BELEIVE IT!!!!! SIMPLY DISTURBING!!!

[whatsupwithat]

ITS REALLY ALARMING. I JUST CANT GET IT THROUGH MY MIND NOR BELIVE THERE ARE T -GIRLS ESCORTS OUT THERE PUTTING THEM SELVES IN THIS HORRIFYING SITUATION BY PERFORMING UNSAFE SEX FOR MORE $$$$ NOT TO MENTION THE INSANE SICK MEN WHO OFFER THIS,, WOW,, I CANT BELEIVE IT!!!!! SIMPLY DISTURBING!!!

Are you being sarcastic? Or were you seriously not aware that a lot of men ask for this and a lot of girls get barebacked or bareback for more $$$$?

There's alot of issues at play in the two articles above and they all relate directly back to Hara's initial reasons given. And many more including addiction and fear of doctors or health care, in general.

[JANIRA]

NO im not being sarcasstic . ! l I was aware that it was going on come on im not naive,, im just alarmed at the rate. Ibeen asked to perform bareback before , NEVER WILL!!! i actually escort these men right out!!!

[whatsupwithat]

Ibeen asked to perform bareback before , NEVER WILL!!! i actually escort these men right out!!!

yay!!!! :) :peanutbutter :claps :rock2 :D

[MrsKellyPierce]

Some Guys are losers that need to pay

[JANIRA]

SOME GUYS JUST WANT A DISCREET , SAFE, HASSLE FREE ENJOYABLE GOODTIME WITHOUT GOING TO A TRANNY BAR OR ETC,,

[Nelly Snores]

Some Guys are losers that need to pay


losers are usually broke

[TJ347]

^ Common sense prevails!

[MrsKellyPierce]

I determine a loser by how they treat people. Not by how much money they make or what they accomplish.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Hmmm maybe some girls like the idea of the "easy" money and maybe its harder for ts to get hired or fit in at so called normal job places.

I have a normal job..actually I've had quite a few normal jobs since graduating from college. ;) It's challenging at first applying and selling yourself for the job vacancy/ies prospective employers have. But from experience, I personally didnt find it all that hard. One must really just go at it (If they seek normal employment)! I'd like to prove alot of people wrong sometimes. :P

~Kisses.

HTG

yeah, girl. just yeah!

Thanks E! :P

~Kisses.

HTG

[TsVanessa69]

I tried to get a "normal" job, as a ts we all know that doesn't happen, I was a showgirl, I wanted my own place, and funny I needed the money for "transition". Now I transitioned to the level I always wanted in life, I don't want a nonfunctioning hole inbetween my legs, I will keep the functioning penis thank you very much. So yea, I transitioned, got all the "needed" work done, and what happen. I became the late nite booty call, the " secret", the fantasy girl, but it wasn't my fantasy, just theirs. No dates, no flowers, just sex. So I continued to charge. And I noticed that people look at me funny sometimes, some laugh and I think to myself what the fuck is up. I can get $250 to get some head, yet people think I am the joke. Now I am older, the fantasy of being pretty and being loved is replaced by surviving and enjoying myself, so I still charge. Now I am enjoying the benitits, So I established credit with the money I make, now all the stores want my money, credit card after credit card I have them all. When I used to go to the Louis Vuitton store here in Chicago, they used to watch me every move I made like I was going to steal something, andd even whisper when they thought I wasn't looking now, they greet me by name and a kiss on the cheek. Funny huh. And guys, they compliment me on how good I look, how big my cock is and how lucky some guy will be one day to have me, all in the 4 walls of my house, where they come live the moment, but watch as the look on their faces change when I ask for a ride to the store, even though I don't really need one, I just wanna see who is real and who is full of shit. Honestly, I no longer escort out of necissaty, I have a sucessful show career, and webcam show, if I never escorted again in life I could still pay all my bills and still live more than comfortable, but men will never change, so why should I??when I actually meet the right guy I would stop, but doesn't look like thats gonna happen anytime soon.

[whatsupwithat]

I tried to get a "normal" job, as a ts we all know that doesn't happen, I was a showgirl, I wanted my own place, and funny I needed the money for "transition". Now I transitioned to the level I always wanted in life, I don't want a nonfunctioning hole inbetween my legs, I will keep the functioning penis thank you very much. So yea, I transitioned, got all the "needed" work done, and what happen. I became the late nite booty call, the " secret", the fantasy girl, but it wasn't my fantasy, just theirs. No dates, no flowers, just sex. So I continued to charge. And I noticed that people look at me funny sometimes, some laugh and I think to myself what the fuck is up. I can get $250 to get some head, yet people think I am the joke. Now I am older, the fantasy of being pretty and being loved is replaced by surviving and enjoying myself, so I still charge. Now I am enjoying the benitits, So I established credit with the money I make, now all the stores want my money, credit card after credit card I have them all. When I used to go to the Louis Vuitton store here in Chicago, they used to watch me every move I made like I was going to steal something, andd even whisper when they thought I wasn't looking now, they greet me by name and a kiss on the cheek. Funny huh. And guys, they compliment me on how good I look, how big my cock is and how lucky some guy will be one day to have me, all in the 4 walls of my house, where they come live the moment, but watch as the look on their faces change when I ask for a ride to the store, even though I don't really need one, I just wanna see who is real and who is full of shit. Honestly, I no longer escort out of necissaty, I have a sucessful show career, and webcam show, if I never escorted again in life I could still pay all my bills and still live more than comfortable, but men will never change, so why should I??when I actually meet the right guy I would stop, but doesn't look like thats gonna happen anytime soon.

Vanessa, that was very moving to read, very human. I don't know what else to say except that your words struck me to the core. God bless, hon. God bless. I'm speechless. And very moved.

[TsVanessa69]

Vanessa, that was very moving to read, very human. I don't know what else to say except that your words struck me to the core. God bless, hon. God bless. I'm speechless. And very moved.[/quote] Thanks, I just had to inject a little reality into topic, I wish things were different, but they are not, so I adapted to my surroundings

[TJ347]

Just wondering... Since many of the girls who primarily support themselves by escorting have talked about how hard it is to get a "legitimate" job... Am I to take it that you've all looked into the jobs for the transgendered that Peggy has repeatedly talked about? I mean, I'm sure that it's difficult for most transgendered women to get a routine job, but if you all gave up before looking into opportunities like the ones Peggy has mentioned, then you're really self-defeating... and also being dishonest to boot.

[whatsupwithat]

Vanessa, that was very moving to read, very human. I don't know what else to say except that your words struck me to the core. God bless, hon. God bless. I'm speechless. And very moved. Thanks, I just had to inject a little reality into topic, I wish things were different, but they are not, so I adapted to my surroundings[/quote]

Reality is what we're living. Those "men" who pile you high with compliments then freak out when you ask to be driven to the store, ugh, it makes me sick to my stomach. Their shame is our shame.

[TJ347]

I'll admit, I'd be surprised if a single escort ever contacted Peggy for job info... Much easier to just say it's hard and never seriously try, and go where the money's good and easy, in my opinion. That's how a few people I know justify selling drugs...

[TJ347]

So... I take it none of the girls employed as escorts have contacted Peggy regarding a legitimate job, huh? Can't say that's surprising, honestly. If easy money's your bag, just say so! Why pretend you've exhausted all options out there, when you haven't taken advantage of legitimate employment opportunities that Peggy's put out there for you?

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Can I quote my self for truth?

Cause when them young trannies get their heads on 'swoll', it ain't
no kinda pretty.

They think they're fish. Popping Midol and shit. :lol:

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/tampon.jpg

Dizzy heifers.

You're not 'ovah' Miss Thang.

'Miss Realness" http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/logo_fem_200.gif

:roll:

Haha :lol: Soo TRUE! LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[qeuqheeg222]

vanessa brought up a interesting ppoint of transition to where one is comfortable..i think this is very realistic..how many of these girls are really gonna get full on srs?she was very real in her comments..but how long do these young ones think they can do it?as i've stated before trans-years can be like dog years-7 to 1 and 40 can be like 60 in tg reality...do they plan ahead?

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

LOL@Dogyears! :lol:

~Kisses.

HTG

[MrSecretAgent]

IMHO I say that money is the #1 motivation for girls who escort. Partially because some don't want to be held down by the corporate machine, but also because many can't get legit jobs. Regardless of whether many of you would like to believe that or not, it's not easy getting a job once in transition. Plus there are too many factors, identification may not be updated to reveal the person that you are. Many girls tend to get their image together without legally changing their names (which can definitely cause problems). Some, over time just don't have the work history to land the jobs they would like.

Just because a girl escorts, that doesn't mean she's stupid or lazy. Seeing what many of my friends go through, it takes a lot of work and effort. Many of the girls I know are very talented and have plenty of skills that would be valued highly in the corporate world.

There are also many who have work history, yet for some reason they still can't get jobs for various reasons. I say that from personal experience. It's been 20 long months since I've worked. During that time I haven't escorted or anything like that. The thought has crossed my mind, but still I stayed away from it. I can completely understand why girls would stray away from a "routine" occupation. It's HELL looking for work.

Thankfully, after close to 2 years, someone decided to take a chance on me.

I start in 3 weeks...

That's great news. I hope everything turns out great for you

[whatsupwithat]

IMHO I say that money is the #1 motivation for girls who escort. Partially because some don't want to be held down by the corporate machine, but also because many can't get legit jobs. Regardless of whether many of you would like to believe that or not, it's not easy getting a job once in transition. Plus there are too many factors, identification may not be updated to reveal the person that you are. Many girls tend to get their image together without legally changing their names (which can definitely cause problems). Some, over time just don't have the work history to land the jobs they would like.

Just because a girl escorts, that doesn't mean she's stupid or lazy. Seeing what many of my friends go through, it takes a lot of work and effort. Many of the girls I know are very talented and have plenty of skills that would be valued highly in the corporate world.

There are also many who have work history, yet for some reason they still can't get jobs for various reasons. I say that from personal experience. It's been 20 long months since I've worked. During that time I haven't escorted or anything like that. The thought has crossed my mind, but still I stayed away from it. I can completely understand why girls would stray away from a "routine" occupation. It's HELL looking for work.

Thankfully, after close to 2 years, someone decided to take a chance on me.

I start in 3 weeks...

There's truth in everything that's been said in this thread.

And way to end a post on a positive note! Congrats! yay! :)

[DominantCad]

Necessity ?

[TsVanessa69]

but men will never change, so why should I??

This is an interesting quote, if you can be bothered Vanessa69, can you enlighten me? Well when men treat us as normal woman and do normal things with us then I would change my way of thinking. When men start calling to see how I am feeling, without wanting sex, when men take me to the party with all their friends, when men bring me a Valentines Day card, or box of chocolates on Valentines Day, or when I get a birthday present and cake, or when we hang out and catch a movie with no strings attached, when you say hi to me in the mall when you are with your friends, then I will change my way of thinking

[TsVanessa69]

Just wondering... Since many of the girls who primarily support themselves by escorting have talked about how hard it is to get a "legitimate" job... Am I to take it that you've all looked into the jobs for the transgendered that Peggy has repeatedly talked about? I mean, I'm sure that it's difficult for most transgendered women to get a routine job, but if you all gave up before looking into opportunities like the ones Peggy has mentioned, then you're really self-defeating... and also being dishonest to boot. I enev applied for jobs that I was overqualified for and never got them, in one case I applied when I was just starting out to bag groceries in Jewels, the day I went to turn in my application, there was a gay guy who went to one of the clubs that I performed at. I turned in my application, at the time i had an "adrogynos" look, the manger looked at me, then when I turned my back, he threw my application in the trash, so the gay guy ask him why did he throw my application away, reffering to me as she, the manager told him to mind his business, he wasn't having one of those "freaks" in his store. Then there was the time some gay guy who owned a catering service that catered buffets in various places throughout the city, I ask him for a job as a food server and he told me it was best to stick to doing drag shows because he didn't want me to cause and of his clients to be "confused" or not know if I was a guy or a girl, Yes I did try, its not like I thought oh let me grow up and escort, but thats the hand that life dealt me, now I thankfully can say I don't have to escort to pay bills or pay costs to transition, but it wasn't easy

[TsVanessa69]

So... I take it none of the girls employed as escorts have contacted Peggy regarding a legitimate job, huh? Can't say that's surprising, honestly. If easy money's your bag, just say so! Why pretend you've exhausted all options out there, when you haven't taken advantage of legitimate employment opportunities that Peggy's put out there for you? This comment is made by somebody who obviously has no clue about reality and the world that REAL ts live in, Peggy is Peggy I am me,so don't fix your fuckin mouth to say that dumb ass shit about contacting Peggy for a legitimate job, is Peggy God? The Toothfairy? that was some dumb ass shit, easy money, try again! You risk dealth, AIDS, STD's, being robbed, all kkinds of bullshit, so how the fuck is it easy money, some people post shit just to post, get a fuckin clue :evil:

[Kriss]

Just wondering... Am I to take it that you've all looked into the jobs for the transgendered that Peggy has repeatedly talked about? if you all gave up before looking into opportunities like the ones Peggy has mentioned, then you're really self-defeating... and also being dishonest to boot.

:roll: wanker

[Kriss]

I'll admit, I'd be surprised if a single escort ever contacted Peggy for job info... Much easier to just say it's hard and never seriously try, and go where the money's good and easy, in my opinion. That's how a few people I know justify selling drugs...

:roll: :angry smug wanker

[Kriss]

So... I take it none of the girls employed as escorts have contacted Peggy regarding a legitimate job, huh? Can't say that's surprising, honestly. If easy money's your bag, just say so! Why pretend you've exhausted all options out there, when you haven't taken advantage of legitimate employment opportunities that Peggy's put out there for you?

:roll: :roll: :banghead :banghead :banghead

[MrsKellyPierce]

No offense against Miss Peggy, she failed to say how yes a lot of these jobs do have these TRANSEXUAL RIGHTS. But for the right type of transexual. Best Buy even covers POST-OP surgery. But typically these practiced RIGHTS are applied for MALE workers that transition on the job. RARELY do they hire new employees as a transexual.

Yes it is awesome they have these rights up for the transexual community, but typically they don't apply for every transexual. They still base a lot of it not only on looks, but passability of voice and/or etc. If it will disrupt customers..upsetting profit for the company.

[TJ347]

Sorry if you found what I had to say offensive in any way Vanessa, as that wasn't my intention. You were right in that I have no clue really as to the life you live as a transsexual, and should perhaps have given far more thought to what I posted before I posted it. So, apologies to you again.

Kriss... I find it interesting that I am irritating you without even referring to you at all, yet even when you refer directly to me, and with the intent of being insulting, all I am is amused. That must piss you off twice as much, huh? Well, whatever. Carry on... :smh

[TJ347]

No offense against Miss Peggy, she failed to say how yes a lot of these jobs do have these TRANSEXUAL RIGHTS. But for the right type of transexual. Best Buy even covers POST-OP surgery. But typically these practiced RIGHTS are applied for MALE workers that transition on the job. RARELY do they hire new employees as a transexual.

Yes it is awesome they have these rights up for the transexual community, but typically they don't apply for every transexual. They still base a lot of it not only on looks, but passability of voice and/or etc. If it will disrupt customers..upsetting profit for the company.

Honestly, thanks for adding this information Kelly. As I said previously, I don't know the ins and outs of daily life as a transsexual, what with not being a transsexual or knowing many very well at all. Thanks again.

[peggygee]

So... I take it none of the girls employed as escorts have contacted Peggy regarding a legitimate job, huh? Can't say that's surprising, honestly. If easy money's your bag, just say so! Why pretend you've exhausted all options out there, when you haven't taken advantage of legitimate employment opportunities that Peggy's put out there for you? This comment is made by somebody who obviously has no clue about reality and the world that REAL ts live in, Peggy is Peggy I am me,so don't fix your fuckin mouth to say that dumb ass shit about contacting Peggy for a legitimate job, is Peggy God? The Toothfairy? that was some dumb ass shit, easy money, try again! You risk dealth, AIDS, STD's, being robbed, all kkinds of bullshit, so how the fuck is it easy money, some people post shit just to post, get a fuckin clue :evil:





No offense against Miss Peggy, she failed to say how yes a lot of these jobs do have these TRANSEXUAL RIGHTS. But for the right type of transexual. Best Buy even covers POST-OP surgery. But typically these practiced RIGHTS are applied for MALE workers that transition on the job. RARELY do they hire new employees as a transexual.

Yes it is awesome they have these rights up for the transexual community, but typically they don't apply for every transexual. They still base a lot of it not only on looks, but passability of voice and/or etc. If it will disrupt customers..upsetting profit for the company



The jobs listed at this link are availible to anyone, irregardless of their
gender identity, or sexual orientation. The companies listed are open
to hiring the non/pre/post op transgendered, as well as the general
public.

They are seeking the best candidate for the job.

Interested parties can contact the companies directly, and there is no
need to contact me.

Additionally, the jobs listed cover a variety of fields, skill sets, educational
backgrounds, and level of job experience.



Transfriendly Job Listings


http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=16294&highlight=employment

[Kriss]

Kriss... I find it interesting that I am irritating you without even referring to you at all, yet even when you refer directly to me, and with the intent of being insulting, all I am is amused. That must piss you off twice as much, huh? Well, whatever. Carry on... :smh

what really pissed me of is the patronising tone of your post. very judgemental, and obviously not coming from a position of experience. In that respect you remind me of crayons, only ten times more eloquant, but your tone is so condescending, even the shaking head emoticon above. I understand that this kind of 'talking down' to people can be a defensive response for some yet you do it all the time, even when you are not provoked and just commenting on something you dont know about. Nice, happy people don't feel the need to make others feel small all the time.
Jokes and insults at me are welcome, I truly recognise it as an obscure form of affection. Your comments angered me because they are so judgemental, implying that all girls that escort are unprepared to consider other work. You bang on about the listings you read here on HA without really knowing the efficacy of the info as you are obviously not a TS. Have you offered any solutions? have you posted an extensive list of helpful links?


, I don't know the ins and outs of daily life as a transsexual, what with not being a transsexual or knowing many very well at all. Thanks again.

O.K. ,So don't judge the girls that escort. Life is expensive, for some people it is more expensive. I can eat for $1 a day and survive for a long time. I am very low maintainance. the daily costs that a TS woman are faced with are a bit more expensive.

[MacShreach]

what really pissed me of is the patronising tone of your post. very judgemental, and obviously not coming from a position of experience. In that respect you remind me of crayons, only ten times more eloquant, but your tone is so condescending, even the shaking head emoticon above. I understand that this kind of 'talking down' to people can be a defensive response for some yet you do it all the time, even when you are not provoked and just commenting on something you dont know about. Nice, happy people don't feel the need to make others feel small all the time.
Jokes and insults at me are welcome, I truly recognise it as an obscure form of affection. Your comments angered me because they are so judgemental, implying that all girls that escort are unprepared to consider other work. You bang on about the listings you read here on HA without really knowing the efficacy of the info as you are obviously not a TS. Have you offered any solutions? have you posted an extensive list of helpful links?
<snip>

O.K. ,So don't judge the girls that escort. Life is expensive, for some people it is more expensive. I can eat for $1 a day and survive for a long time. the life of a TS woman is a bit more expensive.

[Kriss]

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[TJ347]

what really pissed me of is the patronising tone of your post. very judgemental, and obviously not coming from a position of experience. In that respect you remind me of crayons, only ten times more eloquant, but your tone is so condescending, even the shaking head emoticon above. I understand that this kind of 'talking down' to people can be a defensive response for some yet you do it all the time, even when you are not provoked and just commenting on something you dont know about. Nice, happy people don't feel the need to make others feel small all the time.
Jokes and insults at me are welcome, I truly recognise it as an obscure form of affection. Your comments angered me because they are so judgemental, implying that all girls that escort are unprepared to consider other work. You bang on about the listings you read here on HA without really knowing the efficacy of the info as you are obviously not a TS. Have you offered any solutions? have you posted an extensive list of helpful links?

Kriss, I already apologized to Vanessa for not thinking more about what I had to say before I posted it, as it was not my intention to upset her or anyone else. However, the implication you got from what I said is not what I was trying to imply... What I was trying to imply was that I doubt many (or any) of the girls on HA who escort exhausted legitimate job opportunities before turning to escorting, and in fact I did more than imply that... I said that specifically. Was that judgemental? Yes. Was it my opinion at that time? Yes again. Is it my opinion now? To be honest, yes... though now with one clear exception, that being Vanessa (no one else has commented). And regarding being judgemental... Check your post offering your opinion on me, as that's a great example, if I do say so myself. Not that it bothered me, but just so you know... Seriously, if you feel I'm "talking down" to people every time I post, then I apologize for how you're taking what I'm saying, but I can't help your interpretation of what I'm saying versus what I actually am saying, as I've said. Apologies to whomever seeks one for how I worded what I said, as in the light of what I've learned from Vanessa's story, I would not have made the statement I made in the way I did. However, it's too late to put the cat back in the bag, and while I apologize when I feel I was wrong, I don't try to retcon my statements so as to make them PC. I am who I am, blemishes and all.

[TsVanessa69]

what really pissed me of is the patronising tone of your post. very judgemental, and obviously not coming from a position of experience. In that respect you remind me of crayons, only ten times more eloquant, but your tone is so condescending, even the shaking head emoticon above. I understand that this kind of 'talking down' to people can be a defensive response for some yet you do it all the time, even when you are not provoked and just commenting on something you dont know about. Nice, happy people don't feel the need to make others feel small all the time.
Jokes and insults at me are welcome, I truly recognise it as an obscure form of affection. Your comments angered me because they are so judgemental, implying that all girls that escort are unprepared to consider other work. You bang on about the listings you read here on HA without really knowing the efficacy of the info as you are obviously not a TS. Have you offered any solutions? have you posted an extensive list of helpful links?

Kriss, I already apologized to Vanessa for not thinking more about what I had to say before I posted it, as it was not my intention to upset her or anyone else. However, the implication you got from what I said is not what I was trying to imply... What I was trying to imply was that I doubt many (or any) of the girls on HA who escort exhausted legitimate job opportunities before turning to escorting, and in fact I did more than imply that... I said that specifically. Was that judgemental? Yes. Was it my opinion at that time? Yes again. Is it my opinion now? To be honest, yes... though now with one clear exception, that being Vanessa (no one else has commented). And regarding being judgemental... Check your post offering your opinion on me, as that's a great example, if I do say so myself. Not that it bothered me, but just so you know... Seriously, if you feel I'm "talking down" to people every time I post, then I apologize for how you're taking what I'm saying, but I can't help your interpretation of what I'm saying versus what I actually am saying, as I've said. Apologies to whomever seeks one for how I worded what I said, as in the light of what I've learned from Vanessa's story, I would not have made the statement I made in the way I did. However, it's too late to put the cat back in the bag, and while I apologize when I feel I was wrong, I don't try to retcon my statements so as to make them PC. I am who I am, blemishes and all. Apology accepted, its forums like these that sometimes can give you guys a better insight into what we deal with in the real world.

[MacShreach]

beepint.jpg

Better for my lungs

[tsmandy]

beepint.jpg

Better for my lungs

can I have one too?

[hwbs]

lol...time to herbalize :lol:

[TJT]

Hops and hemp are first cousins,ya know.

[MacShreach]

beepint.jpg

Better for my lungs

can I have one too?


Sure! :D

[Prospero]

I suspect that the need to make money for transition coupled with a great degree of prejudice in the wider society towards girls who are transitioning are two key reasons. How many T girls have you met doing jobs like being a lawyer or doctor or teacher or store manager? Most T girls i know in London who do work outside of the sex business are involved in the fringe - creative business etc - or doing things like music, working in small stores etc. The big professions are pretty devoid of t girls who are "out"
ruichard

[daleach]

I'm not sure that Trans women work in the sex industry for reasons that are substantively different than other women. Perhaps many of us do it with the goal of SRS in mind, but that one unique quality could be said regardless of occupation. So aside from SRS do any of these reasons differ from other sex workers?

I know for me, that sex work has many pro's and cons.

I have ADHD and it has always made working "normal jobs" challenging. I work best when I'm invested and interested in what I'm doing. Before I transistioned I was working in a very challenging, politically charged, collective environment. That all unraveled when I started to transition, but it wasn't just because I was transitioning. For a long time (from 16-23) I was in deep denial about still living with ADD. I think I used my transition as a way to block out other ways I felt alienated from society, and traditional ideas about work.

Working as an independent escort has allowed me to put as much effort into building satisfied clientèle and having a sustainable income as I like. Nobody is going to fire me: not for being trans, not for being queer, and not for spacing out. If I want to make a boatload of money, I can. If I want to live on little and work less I can.

I've met some really amazing people here in Portland, and there exists a strangely caring and cohesive family of "providers" and "hobbyists". Many of the other women I know have similar issues with working "normal jobs".

I've met some really cool guys. I like to feel good. The vast majority of the men I've seen have really tried to make me feel good. I'm a big fan of continuing the idea of sexual revolution. And it is nice to offer guys a glimpse into a world where desire and pleasure are good and healthy, which is often not the case.

I really wish that whores were sacred and respected. I think it a true poverty that pleasure is criminalized while violence is sanctified. Um... I mean, if it wasn't for laws that I didn't agree with I would happily whore until a ripe old age.

With every post I read from Mandy I grow more and more impressed.

[daleach]

As an addendum, I 100% understand why some girls go into escorting.

I also 100% believe that there are girls out there that are escorting and doing porn, girls that are brilliant, beautiful, and with incredible souls that could be doing a whole hell of a lot more with their lives as entrepreneurs, leaders, performers, executives. rights advocates...you name it. Not every girl, but whole heck of a lot of them that I've met.

So, I'm torn. I see Hara's points very clearly and they're true, very true. I also know that it's going to take a few of the girls out there, some of them on this very board, to make a change in their lives, to use the talents and intelligence they were born with, to really make a difference. They will have to step up and show the younger generation and all the rest of the girls how it's done, to show that escorting and porn are not the be all and end all...that there's greater things one can achieve.

well said.

[voy4her]

So... I take it none of the girls employed as escorts have contacted Peggy regarding a legitimate job, huh? Can't say that's surprising, honestly. If easy money's your bag, just say so! Why pretend you've exhausted all options out there, when you haven't taken advantage of legitimate employment opportunities that Peggy's put out there for you? This comment is made by somebody who obviously has no clue about reality and the world that REAL ts live in, Peggy is Peggy I am me,so don't fix your fuckin mouth to say that dumb ass shit about contacting Peggy for a legitimate job, is Peggy God? The Toothfairy? that was some dumb ass shit, easy money, try again! You risk dealth, AIDS, STD's, being robbed, all kkinds of bullshit, so how the fuck is it easy money, some people post shit just to post, get a fuckin clue :evil:





No offense against Miss Peggy, she failed to say how yes a lot of these jobs do have these TRANSEXUAL RIGHTS. But for the right type of transexual. Best Buy even covers POST-OP surgery. But typically these practiced RIGHTS are applied for MALE workers that transition on the job. RARELY do they hire new employees as a transexual.

Yes it is awesome they have these rights up for the transexual community, but typically they don't apply for every transexual. They still base a lot of it not only on looks, but passability of voice and/or etc. If it will disrupt customers..upsetting profit for the company



The jobs listed at this link are availible to anyone, irregardless of their
gender identity, or sexual orientation. The companies listed are open
to hiring the non/pre/post op transgendered, as well as the general
public.

They are seeking the best candidate for the job.

Interested parties can contact the companies directly, and there is no
need to contact me.

Additionally, the jobs listed cover a variety of fields, skill sets, educational
backgrounds, and level of job experience.



Transfriendly Job Listings


http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=16294&highlight=employment

This really aint the place, but the "word" irregardless is not a real word. Its the word "regardless" with ir thrown on the front. The real word is either regardless, or irrespective. 'Ir' is a negative prefix and 'less' is a negative suffix, thus creating an illogical double negative that compromises the meaning of the word.

Sorry about that, its just a pet peeve that i cant overcome. The fact that so many people use the word and that some dictionaries actually have it in them scares me.

[Hazel Tucker]

Easy money. When you say assist for the transition you make it sound like it's the only way one can make money for a transition. The key word here is easy!

Not always easy-just faster. It's a fast way of getting money;money that would normally take someone a week to earn some girls make in 2 sessions.

I never thought I'd get involved in escorting...but times turned bad and I had to get money fast. So now I do.

There are a couple reasons I am going to stick with it a while,

#1 The money is friggin incredible if you take business seriously.

#2 Transition doesn't seem so long term anymore

#3 I am my own boss

#4 I can pay my bills and have as much fun as I want with the rest of my spending $.

I knew it'd get out sooner or later that I was, so I figured I might as well just be out with it.

[indeed]

insecure about what trying to become part of society might bring them. escorting is easy. get to live in a small bubble where you stay home. have sex with the enthusiast, go to the local TS friendly clubs at night and continue the cycle.

They spend so much time trying to become "passable" yet not many really try to take advantage of it other than to fullfill some guys fantasy.

[BrendaQG]

It's simple and has been said. Money.

The second reason so man of us escort is it's money that we don't need someone's permission to earn.

You are totally in control of how much or how little you work. If you can get a good rep and good word of mouth you can really clean up. If not it's a bit harder but not impossible to make a better living than allot of str8 people, certainly better than the living our society is willing to let us have a chance at. Those are the reasons we take the chances of getting HIV, murdered, or even just beaten until crippled... etc.

If that sounds bleak I'm sorry guys. It is what it is.

[indeed]

It's simple and has been said. Money.

The second reason so man of us escort is it's money that we don't need someone's permission to earn.

You are totally in control of how much or how little you work. If you can get a good rep and good word of mouth you can really clean up. If not it's a bit harder but not impossible to make a better living than allot of str8 people, certainly better than the living our society is willing to let us have a chance at. Those are the reasons we take the chances of getting HIV, murdered, or even just beaten until crippled... etc.

If that sounds bleak I'm sorry guys. It is what it is.
how do you claim/pay taxes

[Tomfurbs]

Whatever the reasons, stay safe all a youse.

[peggygee]

So... I take it none of the girls employed as escorts have contacted Peggy regarding a legitimate job, huh? Can't say that's surprising, honestly. If easy money's your bag, just say so! Why pretend you've exhausted all options out there, when you haven't taken advantage of legitimate employment opportunities that Peggy's put out there for you? This comment is made by somebody who obviously has no clue about reality and the world that REAL ts live in, Peggy is Peggy I am me,so don't fix your fuckin mouth to say that dumb ass shit about contacting Peggy for a legitimate job, is Peggy God? The Toothfairy? that was some dumb ass shit, easy money, try again! You risk dealth, AIDS, STD's, being robbed, all kkinds of bullshit, so how the fuck is it easy money, some people post shit just to post, get a fuckin clue :evil:





No offense against Miss Peggy, she failed to say how yes a lot of these jobs do have these TRANSEXUAL RIGHTS. But for the right type of transexual. Best Buy even covers POST-OP surgery. But typically these practiced RIGHTS are applied for MALE workers that transition on the job. RARELY do they hire new employees as a transexual.

Yes it is awesome they have these rights up for the transexual community, but typically they don't apply for every transexual. They still base a lot of it not only on looks, but passability of voice and/or etc. If it will disrupt customers..upsetting profit for the company



The jobs listed at this link are availible to anyone, irregardless of their
gender identity, or sexual orientation. The companies listed are open
to hiring the non/pre/post op transgendered, as well as the general
public.

They are seeking the best candidate for the job.

Interested parties can contact the companies directly, and there is no
need to contact me.

Additionally, the jobs listed cover a variety of fields, skill sets, educational
backgrounds, and level of job experience.



Transfriendly Job Listings


http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=16294&highlight=employment

This really aint the place, but the "word" irregardless is not a real word. Its the word "regardless" with ir thrown on the front. The real word is either regardless, or irrespective. 'Ir' is a negative prefix and 'less' is a negative suffix, thus creating an illogical double negative that compromises the meaning of the word.

Sorry about that, its just a pet peeve that i cant overcome. The fact that so many people use the word and that some dictionaries actually have it in them scares me.

Thanks for that, I will correct it in the future. 8)


irregardless: an erroneous redundancy for regardless.

Adverb
S: (adv) irregardless (regardless; a combination of irrespective and regardless sometimes used humorously)

Summary
Irregardless seems to be moving slowly in the direction of standardization. It has gone from nonexistence in the 1910 publication of Etymological Dictionary of the English Language,[7] to being a normality in modern dictionary publications, and it frequently occurs in edited professional prose. The fact that its listing as a "humorous usage" has practically disappeared today supplies further evidence in favor of acceptance. Some argue that adding a second negative to a word like regardless is a humorous way to illustrate an underabundance of irregard. However, strong resistance to the word still remains.

The term "irregardless" has begun to move towards acceptance because incorrect words or grammatical conventions are absorbed by the English language based on common usage. It is apparent that the word originated from regional deviations and was subsequently re-introduced to the wider English-speaking community, and thus the use of the term should be avoided if one takes the position that this word should not enter common use.

[Shining Star]

Have said it before and will say it again, "escorting" is a lazy way of earning living, that causes more damage than many know and or will admit.

Yes, there is rampant discrimination out there against gays and trannies, but look just how far gays have come within the last ten years. You can't fling a dead cat on television without hitting a gay man or couple. From "Desperate Housewives", to news reporters, and so forth, gays are every where. I bet the first television network that fired Ellen D. because she was a lesbian is kicking themselves every day.

What has changed? Gays took a page out of the African-American civil rights book, and showed the world they are just like "normal" people. And it has worked to some extent. Trannies on the other hand, for the most part can't be bothered beyond buying more Gucci or expanding the never ending quest to be more "real".

Yes, many men and women, gay and straight have used what they got to get what they needed or wanted, including some very famous household names today. However they used escorting as a means to an end, not a life long career. It is the serial prostitute people really have a hard time accepting. If one finds oneself out in the streets, and so forth, and had to do what one had to do to survive, many will forgive, however prossing year in and out, boasting about how much money one made over the years (often in the end with little to show for it),for no other reason than either one could not or would not find a normal job, does not go over well.

Being a trannie and finding a job is not easy, lord knows I know that. But I've done it, and met girls ranging from airline hostess to nurse to lawyer and everything in between who have as well. One just needs personal discipline and a willingness to bend a little to suit reality.

Have held jobs ranging from one day to one week to ten years, finally got wise to myself and listened to my gay friends and started my own business (ever notice how many gays are self-employed?), and am doing fine. Could I make more as an escort? Probably, but the risks far out number any potential benefits.

It is often said youth is wasted on the young, and sadly that seems true of many young trannies. If they must work, instead of using the money for education and or personal advancement such as setting money aside to start some sort of business, it all goes on shopping, operations, parties and being "gorgeous". Sadly like all prossies, time passes quickly, and what was being 16 or so when starting out, soon has one being 25 or even 35 (both rather old ages these days for working girls), or even worse 45, and there one is with no sort of decent education or skills, and a fading client list. One ends up like Chris Love, damn near 50 if not above and turning dates for $25 or so trying to make ends meet. Despite all the high earnings today's "hot" young trannies claim to earn, the amount of girls who retire rich or even with something to live off is the same, near nil.

So now one appears on the employment scene at 25+ or 35+ with no employment skills, no work history, looking perhaps too much like one and not enough of the other, and perhaps even an arrest record. Pretty long odds for finding any sort of decent job, even at MacDonald's.

Finally the one thing about escorting, young girls do not seem to grasp is this: for the most part people, including "dates" and "admirers" do not respect, much less like prostitutes. Oh men will kick it with them, but what a man has sex with, versus whom he chooses to marry or become emotionally involved with are two different things. Persons convicted of some major crimes have an easier time finding work than former "sex workers". People just think there is something dirty about the career choice and usually want nothing to do with anyone who made a life out of sleeping with men for money.

Hopefully after Candis's break through on network television, trannies will start the slow movement into mainstream acceptance. However am willing to bet that movement will further divide the community into what we see already. On one side will be the non-sex worker trannies, both beautiful and passable and those not so much; and on the other the sex workers, who will be where sex workers have always been, on the bottom.

It is note worthy that not a bit of dirt came out after Candis appeared on television, and you know people were digging. If someone had found old "ads" or worse an arrest record for prossing, it would have been splashed all over the place.