A Fair question. What do you see?

[CindySin]

I was just wondering
what do you see?
do you see a woman with a cock
or a man who dresses like a girl

for me
when I see some of these girls they are so beautiful
that I actually see a beautiful woman with a cock.

was just wondering what others feel.

[whatsupwithat]

a woman.

[Balcanoid]

a woman.
co-sign

[Vala_TS]

A woman obviously. Although with a dick.

Vala,

[Tanuki]

it would be interesting to assemble a thread that illustrates a scale from male to female. ranging from a photo of a guy in a dress all the way to a photo of gg dressed like a guy.. haha

[trannybanger]

most definitely a woman..........


..........with accessories

[biGGdaDDy*]

i look at them as ''chix''
i refer to THEM as SHE or whatnot---
i know the ''penis'' is there---i just dont acknowledge it

because my whole experience with ts's are a lil different than some of you guys on here-

[for example--most of yall ''get fukked'']

ME
--whenever i hook up with a ts ''im'' the one ''doing'' the fukking ''slanging'' the dikk---

so i just imagine them as females with some extra shit you know
otherwise i wont be into it

[scorpion]

A Woman whit this little xtra which is sexuall important four mee. :wink:

[crayons]

Nice kiss ass thread.

[MrsKellyPierce]

:shock: :roll:

[ILuvGurls]

that I actually see a beautiful woman with a cock.

"

[MacShreach]

Nice kiss ass thread.
Crayons that cat is a deeply unsettling avatar.

[MacShreach]

I was just wondering
what do you see?
do you see a woman with a cock
or a man who dresses like a girl

Difficult to say without a good photo......

Co-sign

This question is all arse for elbow anyway imo cause it depends on the girl--Fabiane Spears-- girl; some of the mutts that get posted on here--guy and don't fucking kid yourself.

It is truly amazing how little disguise is required for the guys who are just looking for a man to fuck them -- whom they can pretend is not actually a man.

[TJ347]

This question is all arse for elbow anyway imo cause it depends on the girl--Fabiane Spears-- girl; some of the mutts that get posted on here--guy and don't fucking kid yourself.

It is truly amazing how little disguise is required for the guys who are just looking for a man to fuck them -- whom they can pretend is not actually a man.

CO-SIGN!!!

[MrsKellyPierce]

I was just wondering
what do you see?
do you see a woman with a cock
or a man who dresses like a girl

Difficult to say without a good photo......

Co-sign

This question is all arse for elbow anyway imo cause it depends on the girl--Fabiane Spears-- girl; some of the mutts that get posted on here--guy and don't fucking kid yourself.

It is truly amazing how little disguise is required for the guys who are just looking for a man to fuck them -- whom they can pretend is not actually a man. MacShreach as much as I always loved you, I must disagree with this statement. Being a transexual is about how you feel inside it doesn't matter how you look on the outside. So in thus ugly, dog, hot, sexy, whatever they are still woman. Just the same for genetic girls there is a scale of ugly to beautiful. P.S. I still love you to death!

[TJ347]

Assuming that the goal of most transsexuals is to be passable, then their "attractiveness" can be gauged according to how close they come to accomplishing that goal. And so, if Mac is using that measuring system, he can indeed call a dog a dog, and a beauty a beauty. For what it's worth, that's the system I use by the way. I'm sure I'm not alone in that, I might add.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Assuming that the goal of most transsexuals is to be passable, then their "attractiveness" can be gauged according to how close they come to accomplishing that goal. And so, if Mac is using that measuring system, he can indeed call a dog a dog, and a beauty a beauty. For what it's worth, that's the system I use by the way. I'm sure I'm not alone in that, I might add. Not all girls strive for passability and could be happy with how they look. Who are you to judge if they are happy within themselves? They are still being true to who they are and living it everyday. Don't act so high and mighty. I don't see you posting your pictures on here to be judged and made fun of?

[TJ347]

Not all girls strive for passability and could be happy with how they look. Who are you to judge if they are happy within themselves? They are still being true to who they are and living it everyday. Don't act so high and mighty. I don't see you posting your pictures on here to be judged and made fun of?

Kelly, Kelly, Kelly... I promised not to attack you again, but you're making it very hard tonight for me to keep that promise with your inane commentary. I didn't say all girls strive for passability. Re-read my post and check for the word "assuming". As far as judging whether they are happy or not... Who's trying to do that? I notice whenever guys say something you or a couple other girls don't like, suddenly it's a case of us judging you all, only for you to later call us "fools" and such, which last time I checked, was a judgement... Anyway, the issue was whether or not a TGs attractiveness can be gauged, and you and I both know it can. You don't think every girl looks just as attractive, now do you? So why can't I, Mac or anybody else say that we don't find a certain girl or a certain look attractive without you having a fit? Talk about acting high and mighty! Get off the high horse Kelly... :evil:

[MrsKellyPierce]

Not all girls strive for passability and could be happy with how they look. Who are you to judge if they are happy within themselves? They are still being true to who they are and living it everyday. Don't act so high and mighty. I don't see you posting your pictures on here to be judged and made fun of?

Kelly, Kelly, Kelly... I promised not to attack you again, but you're making it very hard tonight for me to keep that promise with your inane commentary. I didn't say all girls strive for passability. Re-read my post and check for the word "assuming". As far as judging whether they are happy or not... Who's trying to do that? I notice whenever guys say something you or a couple other girls don't like, suddenly it's a case of us judging you all, only for you to later call us "fools" and such, which last time I checked, was a judgement... Anyway, the issue was whether or not a TGs attractiveness can be gauged, and you and I both know it can. You don't think every girl looks just as attractive, now do you? So why can't I, Mac or anybody else say that we don't find a certain girl or a certain look attractive without you having a fit? Talk about acting high and mighty! Get off the high horse Kelly... :evil: I wasn't upset about the fact he was calling them ugly. I was upset about the fact he was calling them not a woman or not a transexual but referring in a way to them as MEN IN DRESSES. Thats what upset me. Thre are plenty of normal working girls that don't escort that live day to day and could care less about looking like the hottest dame on the block. As well as many activist. I just don't consider looks make you any less or any more a woman. It's whats inside and how you feel about yourself that matters. THATS ALL I WAS SAYING.. so maybe you need to stop being on the DEFENSE and REREAD what I was stating.

[TJ347]

I wasn't upset about the fact he was calling them ugly. I was upset about the fact he was calling them not a woman or not a transexual but referring in a way to them as MEN IN DRESSES. Thats what upset me. Thre are plenty of normal working girls that don't escort that live day to day and could care less about looking like the hottest dame on the block. As well as many activist. I just don't consider looks make you any less or any more a woman. It's whats inside and how you feel about yourself that matters. THATS ALL I WAS SAYING.. so maybe you need to stop being on the DEFENSE and REREAD what I was stating.

I've highlighted the gist of what you're saying, and have marked it as "Kelly Shore's opinion". Now then , others feel differently than you do on this matter, obviously. This difference is called their opinion, and it's just as valid as yours. So, I say again... Get over yourself Kelly.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I wasn't upset about the fact he was calling them ugly. I was upset about the fact he was calling them not a woman or not a transexual but referring in a way to them as MEN IN DRESSES. Thats what upset me. Thre are plenty of normal working girls that don't escort that live day to day and could care less about looking like the hottest dame on the block. As well as many activist. I just don't consider looks make you any less or any more a woman. It's whats inside and how you feel about yourself that matters. THATS ALL I WAS SAYING.. so maybe you need to stop being on the DEFENSE and REREAD what I was stating.

I've highlighted the gist of what you're saying, and have marked it as "Kelly Shore's opinion". Now then , others feel differently than you do on this matter, obviously. This difference is called their opinion, and it's just as valid as yours. So, I say again... Get over yourself Kelly. :lol: The only ones that would feel differently on this matter are selfish, shallow, and hateful people. A lady is what is between the ears as well as a gentleman.

[TJ347]

Hilarious! That's all I can say. You are hilarious. By the way, that's a pretty strong judgement you're making there. But it's just us non-TGs that aren't allowed to judge, right? Hilarious...

[hybridx]

I see them as women, just with something 'different'.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Hilarious! That's all I can say. You are hilarious. By the way, that's a pretty strong judgement you're making there. But it's just us non-TGs that aren't allowed to judge, right? Hilarious...NO if you read my post about COMPLAINTS I said the same about the TS community that hate on girls that don't have the surgeries they have or act better than.

I quote AGAIN:

Take your pick!!

COMPLAINTS

1. Why did you "decide" to become a girl? ANSWER: I didn't decide what a stupid ass question, it's how I feel. Do you think at the age of twelve I had the gumption or smarts to "decide" such a life changing decision. NO..it wasn't a want, it wasn't a desire...it was a NEED. A need to be ME. I was always ME. Simple ANSWER why do you feel as a man? YOU JUST DO you don't think about it. YOU JUST KNOW. SAME WITH A TRANSEXUAL!! There is no HIDDEN ASPECT TO IT.

2. Dumb questions about transexuals or what fucktards call shemales or chicks with dicks. IF YOU ARE SO INTERESTED in TRANSEXUALS do some research on it and MAYBE your dumb ass wouldn't offend the transexual you are speaking to.

3. PEOPLE THAT WATCH THE MEDIA TO COMPARE what a transexual is about. ANNOYS THE PISS OUT OF ME!!

4. People that can't look past the fact of being a transexual. They will always treat you as one, rather than a woman. YES FINE you have the oppisite sex organ than what you live as. SO WHAT!! So what if you get it sucked so what if you don't So what if you fuck with it so what if you don't. It doesn't make you any less or more of your NEEDED GENDER. WE LIKE TO BE TREATED AS WOMEN if you are MTF and we like to be treated as MEN if we are FTM.

5. GIRLS THAT ARE FARTHER IN THE TRANSITION that think they are all that. And a beginning girl gets hated on by them. The only reason these girls are hating on these beginners is cause they are still INSECURE no matter how much surgery they've gotten to appear their NEEDED GENDER I see this go on in chatrooms and other places all the time, and it ANNOYS THE PISS OUT OF ME.

6. TRANSEXUALS THAT CALL MEN FAGS ETC because they enjoy anal sex etc SEX DOESN'T MAKE THEM WHO THEY ARE it's their personality GIRLS and whats in their hearts and BRAINS. ISN"T THIS WHAT YOU PREACH why you want to be TREATED THE WAY YOU SHOULD as a FEMALE!!??!! STOP BEING HYPOCRITES.

7. Older transexuals that hate on the younger transexuals cause they look the way they want to look. ANOTHER THING I SEE THAT HAPPENS. There are plastic surgeons if you aren't happy then fix it. Don't hate on someone else. You should be stable enough to afford plastic surgery if you are older, and if you aren't go to school and get the things you need to do so. It's never too late to go back to school.

8. Transexuals against Gays and Lesbians and vice versa! It annoys me! Transexuals against the LGBT, omg this annoys me A LOT..if you don't feel they speak well enough for the COMMUNITY..STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT..AND GET YOUR ASS OUT THERE TO THE MEETINGS IN YOUR CITY OR TOWN AND PUT YOUR TWO CENTS IN. JOIN IT HELL I DID IT HELPS YOU GET YOUR VIEWS AND THOUGHTS OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. But sitting there complaining about it and saying oh they SUCK when you aren't doing anything to THEATE AND EDUCATE isn't going to change anything or make YOU ANY BETTER.


9. Are those men that just keep saying
You're Hot
Thanks
No realy you're hot
Okay thank you
and then they keep going and going until finally you are like STFU this isn't convo ASSHAT
What they want you to respond with is omg he thinks Im hot now I'll get on all fours and I'll let you fuck me. SORRY FELLAS BUT I'M NOT THAT DESPERATE lol

[TJ347]

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Not actually what she said, but somehow, it makes more sense.

[MacShreach]

Hold the bloody phone, Kelly was narked with me, not anybody else. D'ye think I could get a word in edgeways?

Kelly, I apologise for upsetting you, I fired from the hip. You are quite right and I've said this myself before. You can't tell from the outside, because a transwoman's sexuality is primarily between her ears and not between her legs.

Ii is hard for me to keep my trap shut on this because I find the apparently large number of men who see transgender women as simply a way for them to deny their own homosexuality offensive. I have nothing against gay men; it is the denying that I dislike. And I am sure that there are people who will flame me and say I am one too, arguing that any interest in a person born a man, by another man, is gay. I disagree with that. I suppose in a way I don't know what my status really is nor do I very much care; I am a man who loves women, and particularly beautiful women. I love feminine beauty and some of the most beautiful women were not born that gender, and therein is my problem. If this fascination with what is perhaps superficial, feminine beauty, makes me shallow, then okay, I'm shallow; but I'm in good company, and I'm not lying about myself.

We do regularly see pics of CD men, frequently with their dicks hanging out, on this board. Clearly these are gay men who dress up in women's clothes, some well, some not so well, and they are used as either a real or fantasy sexual fetish by aforesaid gay men in denial. I really, try as hard as I might, can't find a way to count someone who is obviously a man dressed up in women's clothes to pose for a porn picture as transgendered.

I absolutely do know that there are men who either discover that they are in fact women or who have been too repressed to do anything about it until later in life when they have developed strongly male characteristics, and I have a lot of sympathy with them. I mean if I looked in the mirror right now and said, "How am I going to turn me into, not even a passable but a faintly presentable women," I'd give up there and then and probably do myself in if I was that serious, or maybe just live in misery. And no-one should have to do that.

BUT I do not believe women like that dress up and get their wangers out to be posted on porn sites. In fact I believe women like that shun publicity and live rather quiet lives. Speaking as someone who is not TS but who at least has some respect for the idea, I believe that the cross-dressing gay men, and the gay men in denial who use them, demean transgender women.

I think every time the cock-whores start crying "Shame" when a girl has SRS, or deliberately post pics of men with plastic wigs whose bodies CLEARLY have never seen a feminising hormone, who are just other men dressed up as women either to satisfy their sexual freak or for money, or say, as they do, "Who cares about the girl, only the cock matters?" transgender women as a group are insulted.

I did not mean to offend you, Kelly, or any of the other transgender women who post here by my comment, which I fired off after reading some more rubbish by the cock-queens slobbering over yet another cock with a body attached. I hope you will all forgive my clumsy manner of expression and accept this apology, which I mean sincerely.

I am frankly amazed by you girls (and BTW I really dislike it when you fight or men pick on one of you) because I know I could never, ever do what you have done. I have learned languages, to play instruments and have done many difficult, dangerous and even potentially deadly things, but I could not do it, and I know I would not be able to do it, even if I were to look inside and discover that I am a woman. The reason? I just ain't got the poop.

Kelly I hope you and I will go on being friends, 'cos I like you. Please understand that sometimes I express myself badly.

And TJ347, I'm asking you nicely to please back off from this one.

[TJ347]

TJ347, I'm asking you nicely to please back off from this one.

I resumed my non-aggression pact with Kelly many hours ago, so as far as I'm concerned this issue is dead... at least for now, since you know it's bound to come back up. I just want to point out that having read your last post, I can't see where you are saying anything too much different than what you originally said, Mac. You originally called some of the "girls" in the pics posted here CDs (to put it mildly), and repeated that (albeit more politely) in this last post. If your position hasn't changed, then why the apology? That's rhetorical, by the way... It doesn't really matter, as we're moving on. Anyway, what I was talking about, and what you and Kelly are talking about are two different things. You both seem to be of the opinion that as long as a transsexual woman feels like a woman, she is beautiful, because it's all between the ears. I understand that completely. However, I am talking about physical attraction, and whether or not a transsexual feels like a woman has nothing to do with whether anyone else views her as a physically attractive woman, which your own comments reinforce Mac, since you differentiate crossdressers from what you consider to be transgendered individuals. Thus, you appear to be on both sides of this issue, which is confusing to say the least. At any rate, I just wanted to say that while I have backed away from this one, it wasn't because I conceded my point, but because logic was obviously falling on deaf ears, which to be honest, is frequently the case when Kelly and I get into issues where we have differing opinions. But... onwards and upwards...

[MonsieurValentine]

in the spirit of honesty, it depends on the person. some are women and some are definitely men. ha ha ha ha ha.

[Azanti]

A woman,

And in some people's case an extremely beautiful woman. Of course on the inside - who knows.

[iloveshemales77]

TJ347
MacShreach
K.Shore
enough already
:deadhorse

[MacShreach]

TJ347
MacShreach
K.Shore
enough already
:deadhorse

If you are attempting to suggest that I should take your advice as to when, to whom and about what I will comment, then, for the record, you can fuck right off.

[MrsKellyPierce]

TJ347
MacShreach
K.Shore
enough already
:deadhorse

If you are attempting to suggest that I should take your advice as to when, to whom and about what I will comment, then, for the record, you can fuck right off. WELL SAID!! and no we can still definitely be friends...I was just putting my opinion out there sweety!

[iloveshemales77]

TJ347
MacShreach
K.Shore
enough already
:deadhorse

If you are attempting to suggest that I should take your advice as to when, to whom and about what I will comment, then, for the record, you can fuck right off.

To use a colloquialism you may be familiar with Mac: "Dinnay get yer knickers all in a twist!"

The three of you are, at times, talking at cross purposes and that indeed, you Mac are contradicting yourself in parts and that the discussion was leading nowhere imo.

If you're attempting to suggest I give a shit what you think and I will put up with your inane homophobic ramblings, then you, my friend, can fuck off and crawl back into whatever bothy in the Grampians you came from.

[vanished]

I was just wondering
what do you see?
do you see a woman with a cock
or a man who dresses like a girl

for me
when I see some of these girls they are so beautiful
that I actually see a beautiful woman with a cock.

was just wondering what others feel.

I see a beautiful woman with a beautiful cock and think God likely had four genders originally, the fourth being a hot hunk with chiseled abs and a delicious pussy. But yes, good question and absolutely - beautiful woman, beautiful cock.