just an opinion on banning

[novaboi]

I've never posted here before, I'm not sure how much weight my opinion carries but i wanted to weigh in on all of this kelly talk. I'm not sure what kelly did is really worth banning her, I‘m not even sure of what all happened. But tsntx had this to say on the forum
"i didnt even read half of what you wrote and i DONT need to... i saw the "ban kelly thread" and was going to comment on it AFTER i read the 10 NEW pages on this one... i WAS going to say i didnt think YOU needed to banned just put on a warning of some sort... but for you to call me out and just rag and rant on me when i have NEVER done that to you? FUCK YOU YOU STUPID, SELF ABSORBED, UGLY, GRANDMA DEATH LOOKING LIL CROSSDRESSER!!
i said VERY clearly that ill call BS out when i see it.. THOSE TITS ARE PAINTED ON! the ones YOUR IGNORANT lil self are trying to use w/ blackmagic "against" me CAME FROM BEFORE I TRANSITIONED!! YOURE A FUCKING MORON AND IF ONE OF YOUR "HOT" CLIENTS PUSHES YOU OUT OF A 4TH STORY WINDOW THE AUTHORITIES SHOULD CONTACT ME FIRST AS ILL GLADLY SHOW THE BLOOD ON MY HANDS. YOU FUCKING HALF-WIT... run back to monicas side/ site ...

WE DONT WANT YOU HERE ANYMORE" Someone else on the same forum told kelly to go kill herself. I personally find those kind of words very disturbing. In my mind wishing death on someone on this forum, or wanting gladly wanting to be partly responsible for a persons death are much worse than someone telling a lie ( in my opinion a rather small one )
I don't decide who gets banned on here, nor do I want to. I don't necessarily think any of the 3 people i've mentioned should be banned at all. But I do think wishing death on someone is much more grievous than telling a lie.
Also not that what I think matters so much on this forum, but I think all the attacking of appearances should die down as well. Kelly I have seen you do this as well like Jen and Vicky, maybe it's a defense mechanism for some of you I don't know. I too am guilty of this, in the 5th grade I made fun of a girl for being fat, i wrote on the board Erica is fat and got stuck under the desk, to this day I feel terrible for that. But I think the world would be a much better place if perhaps we learned to look a little more inward for beauty then outward. People come in all different shapes and sizes, I know this is just an online forum and we're all hiding behind screens in a way, it's the nature of the internet, but words can hurt. Sometimes peoples can be quite self conscious of their looks, I know I was growing up, and it affected me a lot. I'm rambling here a bit I guess, but if we're going to be banning things around here lets start by banning people telling others to go kill themselves. I know debates get heated, by how would you all really feel if you found out, someone you had told to do such act actually went out and did that? Or if you found out you played some role in a person going over the edge and killing a bunch of people, like the tech shooter did. Just to note i'm not saying that justifies killing a bunch of people. But I do think the world would be much better off if we learned to respect people a lot more.
I would hope this forum could turn into a positive discussion. And to tstnx i'm sorry if you felt i was just spot lighting you, i didn't mean to, i just couldn't remember the name of the other poster, the one who told her to go kill herself. And I will add that you probably didn't actually mean what you wrote there. So I hope you don't take offense at what I said.

[novaboi]

correction I have posted here twice apparently, forgot about the first time.

[yodajazz]

I for one agree with what you say, from what I could understand. Some of the girls (women) here get so bent out of shape from a perceived insult. They counter attack in the most vicious language.

But practically every girl posting to this forum has boat loads of admirers here, who would do anything for them. They also have plenty of actual and potential support from the other trans women here. There are some basic insecurities behind these beautiful women, just like the rest of us.

Welcome here. You seem to be a thoughtful person. This is not always appreciated but you can learn a lot here.

[TJ347]

I'm new to the forum, but have already found it full of people who think that because they have 5,000 posts, they have more of a right to have an opinion than you do. I've also found from reading different threads that many of the girls seem to have a chip on their shoulder, or "diva" complex, likely because of the incessant fawning of fans here who desperately try to curry favor with them. I think it's sad that if I say, for instance, Jessica Host is the hottest thing out there, a 52 year old man in Minnesota sees fit to call me an "idiot newbie" and such, simply because he's convinced Vo D'Balm is where it's at. If some folks here had their way, I suspect any newcomer who didn't lavish praise on Allanah and Vicki would be banned immediately, as if those people didn't have a right to their opinion because they weren't one of the fifty founding members. Mind you, I have no problem with Allanah or Vicki, I'm just making a point based on what I've experienced here so far. But such is the world we live in... Why should HungAngels be any different really?

[suckseed]

I think I'm personally not inclined to say anything else...it's gotten boring, and no one's mind is being changed about anything. I'm guilty of being judgmental, and jumping into a thread with a full tank in my flamethrower. I try not to do that anymore.

To make a couple of observations...and they are my own, I don't care to have to defend them...I think it's a shame that Kelly ever felt the need to use fake pics or facts. She's cute...probably cuter than she thinks, or she wouldn't have used them. She's going with the 'I did it for Matt' story, but obviously it's happened before. She doesn't believe in herself enough yet. But I'm not going to throw her under the Ban Bus for that. I honestly feel bad for the kid. On the other hand, bashing Vicki's looks is just silly. She's obviously a great looking lady with a banging career to prove it. She's the first and still the only pornstar I've ever shared personal information with, and she's always been cool to me and funny and patient when I've shared something.
See, I like Arianna, Crayons (if that's really a woman!), Julie, Harajuku, Felicia...almost every woman here has been cool to interact with. But the fighting, while entertaining...well no one looks great when everyone's chucking shit into the fan.

The thing is, to quote Dolores Cleighborn, "Sometimes being a bitch is all a woman has to hold on to." Women are SOOO sensitive about their looks.
Every girlfriend I've ever had sees only her flaws...it gets really old reassuring them. We guys may be blockheads at times, but I think in general we're a lot better at blowing off disagreements, and can you imagine if guys got into flame wars centered on their looks? Haha...'Oh yeah, well you have a roman nose and your butt is fat!' Christ they'd be laughed out of the room. It's fucking irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

[NYCe]

Most of the Kellygate posts will soon be deleted or locked.

[hwbs]

AMEN ............ :anon

[suckseed]

...

[MacShreach]

Most of the Kellygate posts will soon be deleted or locked.

[tsntx]

I've never posted here before, I'm not sure how much weight my opinion carries but i wanted to weigh in on all of this kelly talk. I'm not sure what kelly did is really worth banning her, I‘m not even sure of what all happened. But tsntx had this to say on the forum
"i didnt even read half of what you wrote and i DONT need to... i saw the "ban kelly thread" and was going to comment on it AFTER i read the 10 NEW pages on this one... i WAS going to say i didnt think YOU needed to banned just put on a warning of some sort... but for you to call me out and just rag and rant on me when i have NEVER done that to you? FUCK YOU YOU STUPID, SELF ABSORBED, UGLY, GRANDMA DEATH LOOKING LIL CROSSDRESSER!!
i said VERY clearly that ill call BS out when i see it.. THOSE TITS ARE PAINTED ON! the ones YOUR IGNORANT lil self are trying to use w/ blackmagic "against" me CAME FROM BEFORE I TRANSITIONED!! YOURE A FUCKING MORON AND IF ONE OF YOUR "HOT" CLIENTS PUSHES YOU OUT OF A 4TH STORY WINDOW THE AUTHORITIES SHOULD CONTACT ME FIRST AS ILL GLADLY SHOW THE BLOOD ON MY HANDS. YOU FUCKING HALF-WIT... run back to monicas side/ site ...

WE DONT WANT YOU HERE ANYMORE" Someone else on the same forum told kelly to go kill herself. I personally find those kind of words very disturbing. In my mind wishing death on someone on this forum, or wanting gladly wanting to be partly responsible for a persons death are much worse than someone telling a lie ( in my opinion a rather small one )
I don't decide who gets banned on here, nor do I want to. I don't necessarily think any of the 3 people i've mentioned should be banned at all. But I do think wishing death on someone is much more grievous than telling a lie.
Also not that what I think matters so much on this forum, but I think all the attacking of appearances should die down as well. Kelly I have seen you do this as well like Jen and Vicky, maybe it's a defense mechanism for some of you I don't know. I too am guilty of this, in the 5th grade I made fun of a girl for being fat, i wrote on the board Erica is fat and got stuck under the desk, to this day I feel terrible for that. But I think the world would be a much better place if perhaps we learned to look a little more inward for beauty then outward. People come in all different shapes and sizes, I know this is just an online forum and we're all hiding behind screens in a way, it's the nature of the internet, but words can hurt. Sometimes peoples can be quite self conscious of their looks, I know I was growing up, and it affected me a lot. I'm rambling here a bit I guess, but if we're going to be banning things around here lets start by banning people telling others to go kill themselves. I know debates get heated, by how would you all really feel if you found out, someone you had told to do such act actually went out and did that? Or if you found out you played some role in a person going over the edge and killing a bunch of people, like the tech shooter did. Just to note i'm not saying that justifies killing a bunch of people. But I do think the world would be much better off if we learned to respect people a lot more.
I would hope this forum could turn into a positive discussion. And to tstnx i'm sorry if you felt i was just spot lighting you, i didn't mean to, i just couldn't remember the name of the other poster, the one who told her to go kill herself. And I will add that you probably didn't actually mean what you wrote there. So I hope you don't take offense at what I said.

well if you didnt keep up then you should stfu. hows that sweetheart? you didnt want to read the 3500+ posts w/ her ranting and raving and using personal attacks on me when i wasnt ever attacking the dumb broad. do you REALLY think i give a flying fuck if she/he uses fake pics? NO. thats her fucking biz. but DONT try to insult MY intelligence and say "the sky is blue in this pic" while holding a pic of a BLACK star-y night! like i told the wench. im on the side of truth and not on the side of BULLSHIT. she chose to keep to the side of BS thus putting her against me by her own will. if you DONT know the whole truth on something or just have an opion of something that hasnt involved you... STFU.

[Cyclops]

Praise be to the Moderators!

[Jericho]

Same old story.
The chix are always worse than the guys.
If'n it had been a bunch a guys, there woulda been punches, making up, and we'd all be in the bar by now drinking beers! :grouphug :P

[cheribaum]

I have to ask...

Jen, in the "Ban Kelly" thread you posted a pic of the company you "own" along with your employees, were you implying you own MAC cosmetics? or are you a freelance make-up artist with a team of make up artists. Also, was that TS vagina DR at the Miitary Ball you attended or were those two totally different nights because they look like they are within minutes of eachother if so, why was she at the military ball?and how were you her assistant that night? Also you said you were the model for a malpractice convention but I remember you stating b4 that you won first place at a halloween party for something to do with "stripper" and you showed that pic? the pres's b-day pic. I cant imagine it being held at a location displayed in the pic. By all means, Ill believe that when i can see a pic of him with you. I liked how you said "under priviledged white kids" wasnt it a hair show or were you just teaching them? BY NO MEANS DO I DISCREDIT ANYTHING YOU SAY, and I know you have credibilty, but a few things just dont add up.

I "think" ( hope) you were being sarcastic with the captions you attached to the pics but Im not sure? I just want to ask because you mentioned something about "truth" in all this... Some people do pay close attention... especially since they/I really do enjoy seeing your pics. As much as you cant let it fly, neither can I... Im not attacking, I just want to clarify.

Kelly doesnt wear a wig BTW. I doubt you really have to either.


Im not looking for a war with you, im genuinely curious. Honestly confused.

Im going out on a limb here... I realize, I honestly felt it did need to be called out.

Hate me. Im sure you will. I just want to know the truth....

[Kriss]

But tsntx had this to say on the forum
" YOURE A FUCKING MORON AND IF ONE OF YOUR "HOT" CLIENTS PUSHES YOU OUT OF A 4TH STORY WINDOW THE AUTHORITIES SHOULD CONTACT ME FIRST AS ILL GLADLY SHOW THE BLOOD ON MY HANDS. WE DONT WANT YOU HERE ANYMORE"


:jawdrop ':smh'

THEN ........


im on the side of truth and not on the side of BULLSHIT. she chose to keep to the side of BS thus putting her against me by her own will. if you DONT know the whole truth on something or just have an opion of something that hasnt involved you... STFU.

:shock: :smh :stop :stop :stop :stop :stop :stop :stop :stop :deadhorse :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

[LG]

I have to ask...

Jen, in the "Ban Kelly" thread you posted a pic of the company you "own" along with your employees, were you implying you own MAC cosmetics? or are you a freelance make-up artist with a team of make up artists.

Good point, cheri. I had noticed that too. I think it's the latter. Jen does not own MAC cosmetics (unless she does, in which case, what's she doing on this forum and not running her company?).

I think MAC is owned by two guys called Frank. Frank 1 and Frank 2. It's on the net somewhere.


And Jericho, are you up for a few beers?

[Vicki Richter]

Kriss you have become such a turncoat poster. I am very disappointed in you of late.

[lisaparadise]

I have to ask...

Jen, in the "Ban Kelly" thread you posted a pic of the company you "own" along with your employees, were you implying you own MAC cosmetics? or are you a freelance make-up artist with a team of make up artists. Also, was that TS vagina DR at the Miitary Ball you attended or were those two totally different nights because they look like they are within minutes of eachother if so, why was she at the military ball?and how were you her assistant that night? Also you said you were the model for a malpractice convention but I remember you stating b4 that you won first place at a halloween party for something to do with "stripper" and you showed that pic? the pres's b-day pic. I cant imagine it being held at a location displayed in the pic. By all means, Ill believe that when i can see a pic of him with you. I liked how you said "under priviledged white kids" wasnt it a hair show or were you just teaching them? BY NO MEANS DO I DISCREDIT ANYTHING YOU SAY, and I know you have credibilty, but a few things just dont add up.

I "think" ( hope) you were being sarcastic with the captions you attached to the pics but Im not sure? I just want to ask because you mentioned something about "truth" in all this... Some people do pay close attention... especially since they/I really do enjoy seeing your pics. As much as you cant let it fly, neither can I... Im not attacking, I just want to clarify.

Kelly doesnt wear a wig BTW. I doubt you really have to either.


Im not looking for a war with you, im genuinely curious. Honestly confused.

Im going out on a limb here... I realize, I honestly felt it did need to be called out.

Hate me. Im sure you will. I just want to know the truth.... you cant handle the truth lol sorry its a great line from a great movie

[tsntx]

I have to ask...

Jen, in the "Ban Kelly" thread you posted a pic of the company you "own" along with your employees, were you implying you own MAC cosmetics? or are you a freelance make-up artist with a team of make up artists. Also, was that TS vagina DR at the Miitary Ball you attended or were those two totally different nights because they look like they are within minutes of eachother if so, why was she at the military ball?and how were you her assistant that night? Also you said you were the model for a malpractice convention but I remember you stating b4 that you won first place at a halloween party for something to do with "stripper" and you showed that pic? the pres's b-day pic. I cant imagine it being held at a location displayed in the pic. By all means, Ill believe that when i can see a pic of him with you. I liked how you said "under priviledged white kids" wasnt it a hair show or were you just teaching them? BY NO MEANS DO I DISCREDIT ANYTHING YOU SAY, and I know you have credibilty, but a few things just dont add up.

I "think" ( hope) you were being sarcastic with the captions you attached to the pics but Im not sure? I just want to ask because you mentioned something about "truth" in all this... Some people do pay close attention... especially since they/I really do enjoy seeing your pics. As much as you cant let it fly, neither can I... Im not attacking, I just want to clarify.

Kelly doesnt wear a wig BTW. I doubt you really have to either.


Im not looking for a war with you, im genuinely curious. Honestly confused.

Im going out on a limb here... I realize, I honestly felt it did need to be called out.

Hate me. Im sure you will. I just want to know the truth....

lol cheri i think you missed the point of me posting pics and making up larger then life stories to fit them.... like someone else around here does.... dont worry girl it was just a joke. and since you werent around for the WHOLE story i wont hold it against you for taking my joke wrong. i still want those green boots of yours.

and i dont THINK i said kelly wore wigs....its fairly obvious in some pics and that scary ass video of her that shes *like i said* "a fag w/ long hair"

also.... mac, like most cosmetic companies, is owned by estee lauder. ;D

[Jericho]

And Jericho, are you up for a few beers?

Oh hell yeah...Much safer! :P

[suckseed]

I've never posted here before, I'm not sure how much weight my opinion carries but i wanted to weigh in on all of this kelly talk. I'm not sure what kelly did is really worth banning her, I‘m not even sure of what all happened. But tsntx had this to say on the forum
"i didnt even read half of what you wrote and i DONT need to... i saw the "ban kelly thread" and was going to comment on it AFTER i read the 10 NEW pages on this one... i WAS going to say i didnt think YOU needed to banned just put on a warning of some sort... but for you to call me out and just rag and rant on me when i have NEVER done that to you? FUCK YOU YOU STUPID, SELF ABSORBED, UGLY, GRANDMA DEATH LOOKING LIL CROSSDRESSER!!
i said VERY clearly that ill call BS out when i see it.. THOSE TITS ARE PAINTED ON! the ones YOUR IGNORANT lil self are trying to use w/ blackmagic "against" me CAME FROM BEFORE I TRANSITIONED!! YOURE A FUCKING MORON AND IF ONE OF YOUR "HOT" CLIENTS PUSHES YOU OUT OF A 4TH STORY WINDOW THE AUTHORITIES SHOULD CONTACT ME FIRST AS ILL GLADLY SHOW THE BLOOD ON MY HANDS. YOU FUCKING HALF-WIT... run back to monicas side/ site ...

WE DONT WANT YOU HERE ANYMORE" Someone else on the same forum told kelly to go kill herself. I personally find those kind of words very disturbing. In my mind wishing death on someone on this forum, or wanting gladly wanting to be partly responsible for a persons death are much worse than someone telling a lie ( in my opinion a rather small one )
I don't decide who gets banned on here, nor do I want to. I don't necessarily think any of the 3 people i've mentioned should be banned at all. But I do think wishing death on someone is much more grievous than telling a lie.
Also not that what I think matters so much on this forum, but I think all the attacking of appearances should die down as well. Kelly I have seen you do this as well like Jen and Vicky, maybe it's a defense mechanism for some of you I don't know. I too am guilty of this, in the 5th grade I made fun of a girl for being fat, i wrote on the board Erica is fat and got stuck under the desk, to this day I feel terrible for that. But I think the world would be a much better place if perhaps we learned to look a little more inward for beauty then outward. People come in all different shapes and sizes, I know this is just an online forum and we're all hiding behind screens in a way, it's the nature of the internet, but words can hurt. Sometimes peoples can be quite self conscious of their looks, I know I was growing up, and it affected me a lot. I'm rambling here a bit I guess, but if we're going to be banning things around here lets start by banning people telling others to go kill themselves. I know debates get heated, by how would you all really feel if you found out, someone you had told to do such act actually went out and did that? Or if you found out you played some role in a person going over the edge and killing a bunch of people, like the tech shooter did. Just to note i'm not saying that justifies killing a bunch of people. But I do think the world would be much better off if we learned to respect people a lot more.
I would hope this forum could turn into a positive discussion. And to tstnx i'm sorry if you felt i was just spot lighting you, i didn't mean to, i just couldn't remember the name of the other poster, the one who told her to go kill herself. And I will add that you probably didn't actually mean what you wrote there. So I hope you don't take offense at what I said.

well if you didnt keep up then you should stfu. hows that sweetheart? you didnt want to read the 3500+ posts w/ her ranting and raving and using personal attacks on me when i wasnt ever attacking the dumb broad. do you REALLY think i give a flying fuck if she/he uses fake pics? NO. thats her fucking biz. but DONT try to insult MY intelligence and say "the sky is blue in this pic" while holding a pic of a BLACK star-y night! like i told the wench. im on the side of truth and not on the side of BULLSHIT. she chose to keep to the side of BS thus putting her against me by her own will. if you DONT know the whole truth on something or just have an opion of something that hasnt involved you... STFU.

Sounds like you're the one who should STFU Jen. What's your problem?
Jesus. Having a bad week? Chill the fuck out. Yeah, you're probably right when it comes to the facts...the point is, why are you letting this get to you so bad, wishing death on kelly and getting nasty to someone who dares to suggest that a death wish might be a bit of an overreaction?

You're out of line.

[tsntx]

wtf are you my mom? no. if you dont like my opionion... thats fine. u dont gotta. but dont make one of your own on me just to get scraps of attn. let it go.

[suckseed]

no problem. i don't know you and i really don't care. just remember, you don't need an elephant gun when quail hunting.

[Legend]

It's funny how people only react to comments they deem offensive and choose to ignore the other persons remarks,that sort of humor as been thrown on this board far to many times and has anyone defended those people i think not i think because it's jennifer people are over reacting,

over the last couple of days vicious comments have been spewed towards jen that were really hateful by many different people if you dish it out you should be able to take.

[suckseed]

Well, Legend, your comments have frankly seemed like you have a thing for Jen yourself, which is fine, but you know...c'mon.
Nobody needed to say anything nasty to Jen either. I'm just suggesting that there's been some overreacting.

[tsntx]

Well, Legend, your comments have frankly seemed like you have a thing for Jen yourself, which is fine, but you know...c'mon.
Nobody needed to say anything nasty to Jen either. I'm just suggesting that there's been some overreacting.

except you CHOSE not to comment on ANY of the other ppl throwing shit at me. if you wanna point fingers. point it at yourself and others like you that start the drama. and NOT at the ones that finish it.

[Kriss]

Kriss you have become such a turncoat poster. I am very disappointed in you of late.

THIS WAS GOING TO BE A PRIVATE MESSAGE BUT HEY, LETS SEE IF WE CAN MAKE 30 PAGES WITH THIS TOPIC............... TO VICKI >>>>>

Well I had to respond Vicki, as you are one of the few people on H.A. that I value the opinion of and it bothers me that you feel this way.
I really don't want to get involved in all the recent kellygate thing, I agree that kelly was/is false and has posted fake pics, you pointed it out ages ago. Recently Kelly made a really good, humble post about how she was fake and the reasons why, i thought "fine, give her a chance, we all got problems" (since then she has been perhaps 'over-assertive'), I'm not taking her side here, even tho i feel compelled to defend an underdog when you, julie, jen all round on her like something out of 'heathers'. You have been mean to Kelly too and i'm not saying she deserves it from you more than she does from Jen BUT .......When she used what happened to Miriam to insult Kelly, woah, that's out of order, nasty, it just demonstrates a total lack of class. I know ALL sides have been stooping pretty low with their insults, calling eachother by 'previous' names(see, i'm such a fucking gent that I won't even say boy), Kelly called you miss piggy, Julie called her a trowel, or was it a hoe, i can't remember....... To be honest I gave up reading the 'kellygate' threads , (i'm scared to even look in the 'blkmgc' one:screwy) so I haven't seen all the insults, don't want to as you girls actually get LESS sexy with every spiteful, witless insult. I Resisted posting here for several hours until i saw Jen's response something like "i'll say what i like" I'm not saying that anyone is right or wrong here, I don't think anyone should get banned, maybe we need a separate board like for politics and religion for Kelly, TSntx, julie, blackmagic and anyone else that want's to fight, we could call it "foxy boxing forum"(commentary by Arianna & JWBL).

O.K. To Jen.....sorry i called you TSduh and got all judgeMENTAL but that was just plain nasty to use miriams misfortune to hate on Kelly.

TO EVERYONE .......Damn I'm stupid, I broke my own golden rule .....NEVER GET INVOLVED IN A FIGHT BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE WITH OVER 1000 POST'S EACH, YOU DON'T KNOW HALF THE HISTORY THERE....

[suckseed]

Well, Legend, your comments have frankly seemed like you have a thing for Jen yourself, which is fine, but you know...c'mon.
Nobody needed to say anything nasty to Jen either. I'm just suggesting that there's been some overreacting.

except you CHOSE not to comment on ANY of the other ppl throwing shit at me. if you wanna point fingers. point it at yourself and others like you that start the drama. and NOT at the ones that finish it.

Honestly Jen, there's only so many pages of she said/she said/ oh yeah?/ your mother was a hamster retorts I can stomach. Or take the time to read.

So explain it to me. What was said that warranted an "I hope you die" remark?

You seem to be a successful pretty woman. Why would you care what this girl thinks or writes so badly? To me it's like debating religion with Jamie Michelle. When does your 'fuck this, too much bother' response
kick in?
The only drama I started regarding Kelly was months ago, until it hit me that it didn't freakin' matter. And even in the heat of engaging Honda months ago - whose behavior in my opinion needed challenging - it never crossed my mind that he should be hurt or killed. I'm fairly certain that we could have a beer together and get over it. None of us is perfect, and we all have our moments of better or worse natures surfacing.

Finally, since I don't know who Moni or 'Triple H' or that awful redneck woman from Flava of Love in the Youtube link is there would have been no point in my adding my two cents.

[Kriss]

To me it's like debating religion with Jamie Michelle. When does your 'fuck this, too much bother' response
kick in? .

I don't say this very often but LMAO
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Legend]

Well, Legend, your comments have frankly seemed like you have a thing for Jen yourself, which is fine, but you know...c'mon.
Nobody needed to say anything nasty to Jen either. I'm just suggesting that there's been some overreacting.

My liking jen has nothing to do with me defending her in this thread i see what's going on and it's wrong,i've watch jen take alot of insults lately that questions her reason for living by stating to her she is a drag queen,she is a still a boy,they are gonna teach her how to be a man etc and when she finally defends herself people start questioning her reasons.

The reason we live is to be our true selves and if anyone insults our reason for living your gonna give it back 1,000 fold.

[suckseed]

Well, anyone saying that to Jen is fucked, obviously. That must have been in the 23 pages I didn't read. But what's sad is that she would let that get to her. I mean, look at her! I'd hazard a guess that every man and some of the women on this board would love to be with her.

It's like if you said I'm a fat old man or something. I wouldn't be stoked, but I'd blow it off. Because I'm 43, six feet tall and 190 pounds. My abs wouldn't make a girl's heart go pitter-pat, but so what?

And for the record, I've never liked the ferocity of the attacks you've gotten at times Legend.

I think some people just cross lines without thinking.

[tsntx]

Well, Legend, your comments have frankly seemed like you have a thing for Jen yourself, which is fine, but you know...c'mon.
Nobody needed to say anything nasty to Jen either. I'm just suggesting that there's been some overreacting.

except you CHOSE not to comment on ANY of the other ppl throwing shit at me. if you wanna point fingers. point it at yourself and others like you that start the drama. and NOT at the ones that finish it.

Honestly Jen, there's only so many pages of she said/she said/ oh yeah?/ your mother was a hamster retorts I can stomach. Or take the time to read.

So explain it to me. What was said that warranted an "I hope you die" remark?

You seem to be a successful pretty woman. Why would you care what this girl thinks or writes so badly? To me it's like debating religion with Jamie Michelle. When does your 'fuck this, too much bother' response
kick in?
The only drama I started regarding Kelly was months ago, until it hit me that it didn't freakin' matter. And even in the heat of engaging Honda months ago - whose behavior in my opinion needed challenging - it never crossed my mind that he should be hurt or killed. I'm fairly certain that we could have a beer together and get over it. None of us is perfect, and we all have our moments of better or worse natures surfacing.

Finally, since I don't know who Moni or 'Triple H' or that awful redneck woman from Flava of Love in the Youtube link is there would have been no point in my adding my two cents.

i never said "i hope you die" correction.. i dont THINK i said that... for a better quote look at what crayons has as his/her signiture for what i said to her...

as to the rest... she was trying to make some personal attacks on me... the attacks themself didnt phase me as i know what i look like. thanx to her video i have a pretty clear idea what she looks like. and she couldnt hold a candle to me in ANY way shape or form.

so why did i go off?

bc i hadnt made a single personal attack... making an obvious observation that she had POORLY painted on cleavage using a BASIC paint program wasnt anything more then pointing out her bad work and she shouldnt claim things that are so obviously false * kinda like when i said i owned mac and was dr. bowers ast. *

so after she got personal w/ it i let her have it... go too far? maybe. but thats YOUR opinion not mine. and i dont regret what i said.

just to clarify since you brought it up tho.. i was NOT trying to make light of miriams misfortune.

[suckseed]

okee dokey.
Kriss made the Miriam remark. On the other hand, I posted this:

[tsntx]

i know and i was killing two posts w/ one

[MrsKellyPierce]

lol Thanks...I really don't have much to say.

[mrironknee]

As far as I knew, Banning was this little trashy city off the 10fwy if you're driving east from LA right before you get to the Morongo Casino in Cabazon, almost to Palm Springs. I think I filled up on gas there once.
Other than that I have no opinion on Banning.
Vicki is the queen.
Kelly is cute, who even reads what she writes.
Keep all the girls around, that's what I say.

[MacShreach]

On the other hand, I posted this:

OT but that's a brilliant pic Suckseed. I see it's a paste-up, but still. :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :D :D :D

[whatsupwithat]

hmmm...cats...